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Mega Edition: Kaylee's Goncalves And The Interviews With CNN And Fox (9/4/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: Everyone and welcome back to the program. Recently, Kaylee Gonsalves' parents,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves and Christy Gonsalves, gave an interview to ABC
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  Speaker 1: News where they were discussing a little bit more about
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  Speaker 1: what they know about the murder of their daughter. And
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  Speaker 1: they were talking about how they received some pictures and
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  Speaker 1: how they were even given the contents to the trash
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  Speaker 1: bin inside of her room. And this all comes a
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  Speaker 1: few days after we heard from the Gonsalves family and
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  Speaker 1: how they were in fear that this trial was going
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  Speaker 1: to get pushed back. Now, after the hearing that was
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  Speaker 1: held last Friday, certainly a possibility, especially considering that Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's team have asked to push this back until 2025.
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  Speaker 1: So you know that the Gonsalves family is not happy
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  Speaker 1: about that. Today's article is from The Independent and the headline,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho murder victim Kaylee Gonsalves' parents reveal new details about
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  Speaker 1: how her body was found. This article was authored by
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  Speaker 1: Andrea Cavalier. Kaylee Gonsalves, one of the four victims in
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  Speaker 1: the University of Idaho student murders, was found upright, slumped
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  Speaker 1: against the wall, her parents recently revealed. The 21-year-old was
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  Speaker 1: brutally stabbed to death in an off-campus home in Moscow, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: on November 13, 2022. along with Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin. A trial date is still unknown for
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  Speaker 1: their suspected killer. And at this point in time, we're
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  Speaker 1: not any closer to that trial date. I was hoping
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  Speaker 1: that after Friday, we would be at a point where
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  Speaker 1: it would be a little bit closer, but considering the
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  Speaker 1: ask by Ann Taylor and Brian Koberger's team, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't see us getting to a point where we have
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  Speaker 1: a trial date anytime soon. Steven Christie-Gonzalez says, Kaylee's parents
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  Speaker 1: sat down for an interview with ABC News this week
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  Speaker 1: where they revealed they had received thousands of photos of
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  Speaker 1: the scene of the grisly crime from the police. I
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  Speaker 1: can't even imagine going through those photos. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know how you're able to do that, honestly. Crime scene
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  Speaker 1: photos of your child being murdered? Is there anything that
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  Speaker 1: a parent fears more? I mean, I don't have kids,
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  Speaker 1: but my guess is a lot of you who do
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of restless nights while your kids are out.
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  Speaker 1: Never mind finding out that this happened to your child.
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  Speaker 1: And not only that, but getting the pictures to boot.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the images revealed the final position of Kaylee's
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  Speaker 1: body when she died. The side where Kaylee was, was
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  Speaker 1: up against the wall. And if you can imagine Kaylee
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  Speaker 1: in an upright sort of position up in the corner, slumped.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she was trapped, Ms. Gonsalves told ABC News.
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  Speaker 1: And can you imagine the fear? Can you imagine what
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  Speaker 1: these poor girls were going through? As somebody who has
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  Speaker 1: no involvement, it's hard to imagine. Imagine it being your child.
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  Speaker 1: The bed was the entire room. You could barely open
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  Speaker 1: up the door without swiping the foot of the bed.
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  Speaker 1: And it was wall. The headboard was up against the wall. So,
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  Speaker 1: according to the Gonsalves family, Kaylee was trapped between the
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  Speaker 1: wall and the killer. And she was in an upright
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  Speaker 1: position while this happened or in the aftermath of it
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  Speaker 1: when these pictures were taken. Gonsalves and Mogan's bodies were
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  Speaker 1: found in the bedroom, on the third floor, while Kernodle
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  Speaker 1: and Chapin were found on the second floor of the home,
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  Speaker 1: The Independent previously reported. Brian Kohlberger is accused of breaking
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  Speaker 1: into the off-campus, student home, on King Road, and stabbing
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  Speaker 1: to death the four students with a large, military-style knife.
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  Speaker 1: And that knife is a K-Bar knife, they believe, so
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  Speaker 1: they've been looking for that knife, obviously, since the very
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  Speaker 1: start of this. My opinion? Brian Kohlberger got rid of
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  Speaker 1: that knife while he was taking the long way home
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  Speaker 1: from the murder scene. We know that he took a detour,
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  Speaker 1: and we know that he went through a sparsely populated area,
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  Speaker 1: so what was he doing out there? I said from
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  Speaker 1: Jump Street that I think he had a burn pit
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  Speaker 1: and a place to get rid of whatever evidence there
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  Speaker 1: might have been. Prosecutors say Kohlberger's DNA was found on
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  Speaker 1: a knife sheath that was discovered on Mogan's bed next
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  Speaker 1: to her body. But Gonsalves said in the interview this
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  Speaker 1: week that they were also given some of Kaylee's belongings
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  Speaker 1: from the house, including a trash can from her room
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  Speaker 1: that was full and appeared untouched, her mother recalled. We
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  Speaker 1: opened it, and there was a little squeezy applesauce thing that, like,
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  Speaker 1: you would give to a toddler. It did not appear
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  Speaker 1: to have been gone through, Ms. Gonsalves said. So they
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  Speaker 1: didn't go through the trash, is that what she's saying?
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  Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that, but okay. Police
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  Speaker 1: said they had gathered more than 100 pieces of physical
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  Speaker 1: evidence from the scene, along with 4,000 photos and 3D
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  Speaker 1: scans of the residents. The Gonsalves, who have long questioned
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  Speaker 1: the competency of the investigation, publicly stated last month that
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  Speaker 1: they were against the demolition of the three-story house where
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  Speaker 1: the murders took place. But on December 28th, despite several protests,
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  Speaker 1: the home was razed to the ground. Another bad decision
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. No need to do it this quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Plenty of time to do it later on, right? But
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  Speaker 1: here we are. So, no house, and I just hope
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  Speaker 1: that it doesn't come back to bite the prosecution in
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  Speaker 1: the ass later on down the road. Meanwhile, the family
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  Speaker 1: said that they are still waiting on a full digital
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  Speaker 1: copy of Kaylee's phone from the police. We're just left
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  Speaker 1: in limbo, Kaylee's dad, Steve Gonsalves, said. These are the
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  Speaker 1: last moments of your child's life, and you're sitting here
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  Speaker 1: fighting with somebody who just doesn't care. And to state
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  Speaker 1: that the Gonsalves family has had a contentious relationship with
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  Speaker 1: the authorities is to say it nicely. Because this has
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  Speaker 1: been something that's ongoing since the very beginning. The Gonsalves
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  Speaker 1: family feels like they've been disrespected. And they feel like
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  Speaker 1: they're not getting enough information about what went down. According
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  Speaker 1: to the authorities, they can't give the Gonsalves family any
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  Speaker 1: information because the Gonsalves family was talking to the media.
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  Speaker 1: So as you can imagine, a lot of frustration, right?
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  Speaker 1: and that's where a liaison's supposed to come in. But
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like whoever the liaison was here was
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  Speaker 1: doing the right thing. On Friday, the 29-year-old criminology Ph.D. student,
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  Speaker 1: an accused mass killer, appeared in a Latah County courtroom
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  Speaker 1: where his legal team made another bid to have his
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  Speaker 1: indictment dismissed and to unseal documents in the case, which
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  Speaker 1: Judge John Judge denied. The judge was also expected to
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  Speaker 1: set a trial date with prosecutors arguing that for a
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  Speaker 1: summer 2024 due to concerns of more school traffic in
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  Speaker 1: the fall and the spring. I am still concerned about
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  Speaker 1: the victims and their families, Prosecutor Bill Thompson said. They
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  Speaker 1: have suffered for well over a year now with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty. And that's painful, and it's an everyday reminder,
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  Speaker 1: and they need some sort of certainty, and they need
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  Speaker 1: some closure in a timely fashion. But we know we
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  Speaker 1: also have to make sure, as Your Honor just said
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  Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, that we only do this case once,
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  Speaker 1: he added. And that's a lot of the issue here.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want this to have to be retried, right?
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  Speaker 1: They don't want him to get an appeal that is
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  Speaker 1: successful and they have to start the process all over again.
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  Speaker 1: So what they're trying to do is make sure that
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  Speaker 1: they're thorough. But at some point, like Mr. Thompson just
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  Speaker 1: said here, you have to think about the family members.
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  Speaker 1: You have to think about the victim's family members and
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  Speaker 1: what they're going through. Koberger's defense team argued that a
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  Speaker 1: more appropriate date would be the summer of 2025, claiming
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  Speaker 1: that there was a mountain of evidence, including thousands of photographs, videos,
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  Speaker 1: and over 400 witnesses to interview. Ultimately, Judge John Judge
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  Speaker 1: decided to hold off on setting a date. My heart
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  Speaker 1: goes out to the victims. I can't even imagine the pain,
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  Speaker 1: the grief, because you can't really go forward with your
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  Speaker 1: life with this hanging over your head. So I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: he said. The demolition of the house in December marked
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  Speaker 1: an emotional step for the victims' families and a close-knit
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  Speaker 1: community that was devastated by the brutal slayings of the students.
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  Speaker 1: For more than six weeks, the college town of Moscow
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  Speaker 1: was plunged into fear as the accused killer remained at
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  Speaker 1: large with no arrest made and no suspects named. Then
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  Speaker 1: on December 30th, law enforcement suddenly swooped in on Kohlberger's
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  Speaker 1: family home in Albrightville, Pennsylvania, and arrested him for the
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  Speaker 1: quadruple murders. The motive remains unknown, and it's still unclear
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  Speaker 1: what connection the WSU PhD student had to the University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho students, if any, prior to the murders. The
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  Speaker 1: murder weapon, a fixed blade knife, has never been found. Kohlberger,
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  Speaker 1: who is facing the death penalty for the killings, has
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  Speaker 1: tried once already to get the charges thrown out. The
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  Speaker 1: bid was rejected by the judge. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: any attempt Brian Koberger makes to try to have it
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  Speaker 1: thrown out, it's going to be met with the same
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  Speaker 1: kind of answer by the judge. Because there's so much
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  Speaker 1: evidence here that the only way to figure out what
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  Speaker 1: truly happened is to go to trial. The only way
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  Speaker 1: to figure out if Brian Kohlberger truly is guilty is
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  Speaker 1: to go to trial. And the judge realizes that. So
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  Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen. This is going to go
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  Speaker 1: to trial. Kohlberger is going to have his day in
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  Speaker 1: court and we'll go from there. But having the charges
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  Speaker 1: just tossed out, that's just never going to be a reality.
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  Speaker 1: Never was a reality. And Brian Kohlberger and his team
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  Speaker 1: better gear up. A criminal justice PhD student at WSU,
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  Speaker 1: Koberger lived just 15 minutes from the victims over the
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  Speaker 1: Idaho-Washington border in Pullman. He had moved there from Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: and began his studies there that summer, having just completed
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  Speaker 1: his first semester before his arrest. Before this, he studied
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  Speaker 1: criminology at the Salis University under renowned forensic psychologist Catherine Ramsland,
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  Speaker 1: who interviewed the BTK serial killer and co-wrote the book
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  Speaker 1: Confession of a Serial Killer, the untold story of Dennis Rader,
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  Speaker 1: the BTK killer, with him. He also carried out a
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  Speaker 1: research project to understand how emotions and psychological traits influence
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  Speaker 1: decision-making when committing a crime. Sounds like somebody who is
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  Speaker 1: well-equipped to commit a crime. But I think the big
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  Speaker 1: takeaway from an article like this is what the Gonsalves
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  Speaker 1: family is still going through. And this family is suffering, folks.
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  Speaker 1: This is a family that wants justice. And obviously, justice
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  Speaker 1: has been denied up until now. So they want to
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  Speaker 1: get this process rolling. They want to have a trial date.
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  Speaker 1: And they want to get this train of justice rolling.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, the question still is, when is that going
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  Speaker 1: to occur? Alright everybody, that's going to do it for
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  Speaker 1: this one. All of the information that goes with this
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  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to the program. Steve Gonsalves, the father of Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: is not very happy with the investigation into the murder
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  Speaker 1: of his daughter. And honestly, do you blame the guy?
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  Speaker 1: If it was your kid, would you be confident in
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  Speaker 1: what's going on? Would you be confident in the messaging?
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  Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't be. So I understand completely why this
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  Speaker 1: guy is upset and why he has no confidence in
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  Speaker 1: this investigation. Now on the flip side of that, I
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  Speaker 1: understand that this is a complex investigation and they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to have all of the answers right away. But
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  Speaker 1: they need to have a better messaging system at the
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  Speaker 1: very least, right? That's been the biggest gripe, at least
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  Speaker 1: for me, since this all started. If you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have poor messaging and you're going to be providing misinformation,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, you can't really get upset about so-called
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  Speaker 1: quote-unquote conspiracy theories or other people coming up with what
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  Speaker 1: might have happened. When you don't have a proper system
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  Speaker 1: in place and somebody who is going to send out
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  Speaker 1: the proper messaging, you set yourself up for all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of criticism about the confusion that the investigation itself has sown.
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  Speaker 1: And imagine being one of these parents. I know that
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  Speaker 1: all of us are sitting here on the sidelines wanting
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  Speaker 1: justice and wanting some resolution. But imagine being the parents.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody's talking to you. Nobody's telling you anything. And granted,
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  Speaker 1: I understand why the investigators don't want to talk to Mr. Gonsalves, perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: He's been talking to the media. So I get both
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  Speaker 1: sides of the coin here. But I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of empathy for Mr. Gonsalves. Let's not forget that this
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  Speaker 1: man just lost his daughter. So with that said, we
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  Speaker 1: have an article from Fox News where Mr. Gonsalves is
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  Speaker 1: talking about how he doesn't have very much confidence in
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  Speaker 1: what's going on. Headline. Idaho murder victim, Kaylee Gonsalves' father,
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  Speaker 1: reveals he does not feel confident in the police investigation. Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves says, said he's frustrated by the lack of communication
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  Speaker 1: from police investigating the quadruple homicide. This article was authored
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  Speaker 1: by Yale Hallin. Steve Gonsalves, father of University of Idaho
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  Speaker 1: murder victim Kaylee Gonsalves, told Fox News that he has
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  Speaker 1: lost confidence in the police investigation surrounding his daughter's death,
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  Speaker 1: As poor communication and the lack of progress in the
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  Speaker 1: case leaves the victim's families desperate for answers. And then
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  Speaker 1: you wonder why conspiracy theories pop up or why people
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  Speaker 1: start looking to put the pieces together themselves. If there's
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  Speaker 1: a lack of communication from the police to the community
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  Speaker 1: and the police to the nation overall, you know that
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  Speaker 1: especially with the way the internet is, people are going
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  Speaker 1: to have some things to say. and then you see Mr. Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: who is a lot closer to this case than any
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  Speaker 1: of us, coming out and saying this sort of thing,
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  Speaker 1: how can that inspire confidence amongst the populace who's following
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  Speaker 1: the case? I do not feel confident, Gonsalves said on
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  Speaker 1: Fox & Friends Sunday when asked about the investigation, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why I pushed the envelope and say a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more. I hate to be that guy, but, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody has a job and a role to play, and
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  Speaker 1: this is my role as the parent. And anyone who
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  Speaker 1: is trying to tell this man any differently really should
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  Speaker 1: reevaluate their opinions. This is a man who's grieving right now.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine losing your daughter or your child in such a manner.
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  Speaker 1: And then three weeks later, nobody has any clue about
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  Speaker 1: who did it. And it's one thing to tell the
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  Speaker 1: rest of us to be patient. It's another thing to
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  Speaker 1: tell the father of Kaylee Gonsalves that you have no
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  Speaker 1: answers or that he needs to be patient. I completely
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  Speaker 1: understand why he would be going so hard here looking
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  Speaker 1: for answers. He doesn't want this to get back-burnered. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want this case to fall off the radar and
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  Speaker 1: his daughter's murderer get away with all of this. Gonsalves'
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  Speaker 1: daughter and her childhood best friend, Madison Mogan, were found
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  Speaker 1: dead on the third floor of the Moscow, Idaho residence
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  Speaker 1: around noon on November 13th, while victim Zanna Kernodle and
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, were found on the second floor.
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  Speaker 1: Law enforcement officials investigating the quadruple murder were criticized after
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  Speaker 1: they appeared to reverse their claim that one or more
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  Speaker 1: of the victims were targeted, saying later that they do
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  Speaker 1: not know if this case and that suggestion by Latah
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  Speaker 1: County Prosecutor Bill Thompson was a result of a miscommunication.
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  Speaker 1: Of course it was a miscommunication. The right hand doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know what the left hand is doing, obviously. So there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be miscommunications. Steve Gonsalves, who repeatedly expressed frustration
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  Speaker 1: with the lack of transparency by the police, said he
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  Speaker 1: was instructed not to divulge whether his daughter or any
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  Speaker 1: of the other victims were targets of the attack. He did, however,
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  Speaker 1: call on investigators to share the alibis of certain unnamed
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  Speaker 1: individuals with the public. I don't see why that's a
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  Speaker 1: big deal. Why not share the alibis? Look, if it's
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  Speaker 1: not something that's going to destroy the case or destroy
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  Speaker 1: evidence in the case... They should be transparent. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: about a whole community who is being wracked by fear now.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about college kids. So there's a lot on
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  Speaker 1: the line here, a lot at stake. There's layers of separation,
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  Speaker 1: he said. The communication is not the same as the
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  Speaker 1: boots on the ground. All the officers that are out
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  Speaker 1: on the streets, those guys are working their tails off.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I've said from the beginning. It's not
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  Speaker 1: so much the people who are working the case, right?
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  Speaker 1: Your rank and file agent, police officer, whatever. They want
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  Speaker 1: answers here. They want to find the person who did
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  Speaker 1: this and bring them to justice. But the bureaucrats, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's a whole different matter. These people have different motivations.
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  Speaker 1: They have different goals. They're worried about other things. And
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  Speaker 1: they're always the people that screw everything up. We saw
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  Speaker 1: it in the Epstein case as well. All of these
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  Speaker 1: middle managers, all of these people making these decisions that
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  Speaker 1: are politically based, maybe, and not based in reality. Because
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  Speaker 1: guess what? The only thing that should matter here is
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  Speaker 1: finding the person or persons responsible who killed these kids.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing else. But there's a different person who does the communicating.
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  Speaker 1: And that guy's sitting with lawyers and that guy's sitting
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  Speaker 1: there telling him, you've got to protect things that are
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  Speaker 1: beyond the case, like the town and the community and
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  Speaker 1: the college itself. Those don't matter as much to me,
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  Speaker 1: he continued. And they shouldn't matter to Steve Gonsalves. If
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  Speaker 1: we're being real and we're being raw, why should he
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  Speaker 1: care about any of that stuff? All that should matter
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  Speaker 1: is finding the person or persons who did this. And
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  Speaker 1: whatever it takes to do that, that should be done.
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  Speaker 1: And if that means the image of the university or
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  Speaker 1: the police department gets a bit tarnished, then so be it.
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  Speaker 1: Because the longer this drags out, the worse off it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be for the community itself, right? If we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about it from that angle, then the quicker that
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  Speaker 1: there's resolution here, the better off it is for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely don't want to hurt them, but
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  Speaker 1: I have an agenda. And I think it's pretty clear
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  Speaker 1: it's these two girls and that's what I'm working for.
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  Speaker 1: So Mr. Gonsalves has been pretty adamant since the very
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  Speaker 1: beginning about getting justice for Madison and for Kaylee. And
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  Speaker 1: he's been hyper-focused on those two roommates because obviously they
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: were the ones in his hemisphere. Now, I'm sure that
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: he cares about Zanna and Ethan as well. But his
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: motivation here is to find justice for his daughter. And
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I don't blame him one bit. If it was my child,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: forget it. I'd be the worst person in the world.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: You couldn't tell me shit if you were the police.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I'd be out there with a search party. You know
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: in the old wild west when you put together a
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: party of your friends and go out and look for answers?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That would be me. I'd be on some regulators mount
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: up type shit. Because... this is crazy so i have
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of empathy for mr gonzalez here and for
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: all of the parents of these murdered kids it's true
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that Mr. Gonsalves continued, and I'm not going to let
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that story fall apart just because they don't want wanted posters,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: you know, on their next rush of students that come
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: into town, Gonsalves said. So basically what Mr. Gonsalves is
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: inferring here, if I'm reading this correctly, is that the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: university and the economics of the town are more important
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: than finding the person who killed his daughter. That's what
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: he's inferring here. And honestly, when you're talking about bureaucrats,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: when you're talking about people who are in charge of
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a university or the financial council or whatever, that's definitely
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: going to be their motivation. I said it once before.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Remember the movie Jaws when the mayor is like, oh, yeah,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: it's cool to go swimming. No worries. Everybody go ahead.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Have a dip. Meanwhile, you got a great white shark
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: lurking in the water, killing people. So it's kind of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the same concept, right? They want the economy to keep
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: going and they don't want panic. Meanwhile, everybody in the country,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: everybody in the world is looking at Moscow saying to themselves,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: what's going on here? Gonsalves vowed to continue speaking out
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: publicly and has encouraged the other victims' families to do
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the same and in hopes of advancing the investigation. So Mr. Gonsalves,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: he's gung-ho here, folks. He's somebody who is not going
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to give up. and he's somebody who is going to
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: keep pushing for answers. And when you have a case
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like this, that's what you need. The last thing you
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: want are these bureaucrats to stagnate. I have talked to, obviously,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Maddie's mother and her father, and I've talked to Zanna's father,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: and he said, hey, you can speak on our behalf,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and you can help push this narrative. So I feel
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: confident there. That's as far as the real communications that
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I have, he said. Mentioning that he has not had
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a chance to get on the same page yet with
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Chapin's family. So I try not to mention that and
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: stay within my lane of what is my role. I'm
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: not trying to give it all to my daughter. It's
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: just I can't speak for other people. Look, this has
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to be so painful for Mr. Gonsalves and other family
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: members of the other kids like Ethan and Zanna. Maybe
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: they're not so comfortable getting in front of a microphone
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: yet and talking to the world at large. but Mr. Gonsalves,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: he's pushing it, and he's going to continue to push
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: his narrative until he gets some justice. Asked whether he
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: believes investigators are any closer to finding his daughter's killer,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves said plainly, I wish I knew for sure. I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: did sit down with the investigator, the lead investigator, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I looked in his eyes, and I got a sense
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: that this guy was going to do everything in his
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: power to get, to figure something out, he said. But
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: if the evidence isn't there, that's the part I'm concerned about.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: They talked about all this evidence that was at the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: crime scene, how there was so much DNA evidence, this, that,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the other. But what they never stated or specified was
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: if it was DNA from the perpetrator or just the victims.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves also revealed that he believes his daughter and her
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: best friend may have been targeted based on the perpetrator's
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: suspected entry and exit point, telling Fox News that a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: sliding glass door or window on the second floor of
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the home, which meets a hill on the ground level
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: in the backyard, are available without having to go upstairs
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: or downstairs. For me, it looks like this sliding glass
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: door is probably the most likely entrance, but again, that's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: just my speculation. I want to be clear about that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: The killer's entry and exit are available without having to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: go upstairs or downstairs. Looks like he probably may have
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: not gone downstairs, Gonsalves revealed. We don't know that for sure,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: but he obviously went upstairs. So I'm using logic that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: he chose to go up there when he didn't have to.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Police also have yet to name any kind of motive
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: in the quadruple murder. And also, Mr. Gonsalves said that
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the wounds... On one of the girls. I'm guessing he
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: was inferring Kaylee. Were a lot more gruesome. And grim.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Than they were on Madison. So that leads me to believe.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: That there was some overkill. So that gives some weight.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: To the whole theory that there was a stalker. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: perhaps Kaylee was targeted. Again folks. We're still swimming through
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the muck here. We have not reached any clear water yet.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: And there are still way more questions. Than there are answers.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But one thing is for sure. Mr. Gonsalves, he's not
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: letting up. He's not stepping back and he's not giving
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: up an inch of ground. He plans on moving forward
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and finding who did this to his daughter and these
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: other kids and holding them responsible. All right, folks, that's
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. If you'd like
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to contact me, you can do that at BobbyCapucci at ProtonMail.com.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtonMail.com. You can also find me on
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that I discussed
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Steve Gonsalves gave an
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: interview to CNN and he was discussing how his family
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and himself were navigating this holiday season without Kaylee in
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the picture. And it's just brutal to watch him or
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: his family members talk about this stuff live on air.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Because you can just see the pain in this man's face.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: This is a guy who woke up one day and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: had his whole ass world rocked upside down. And he's
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a man who's demanding some answers. And there's people out
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: there that don't really care for it. Well, I'm not
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: one of those people. Because I'll tell you right now,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a hypocrite and sit here
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and act like I'd be sitting on my hands if
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it was me. Because I wouldn't be. I'd be going
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: absolutely bananas. And I've said this before. So I think Mr.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves is handling himself quite well, honestly. And if you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: want to have beef with somebody, go talk to the coroner.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: who's not even a medical doctor, by the way, who
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: was giving out all of this information to the families
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: in the wake of these murders. Not only that, giving
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: this information to Mr. Gonsalves's daughter. This is an elected
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: official in Moscow. So why is she out here talking
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: out of the side of her neck, giving out this
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: sort of information if the investigators themselves don't want this
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: information given out? I think that sounds like a coroner problem,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: not a Mr. Gonsalves problem. Today's article is from KXLY.com.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And the headline, we're struggling. Dad of Idaho murder victim
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: reflects on lack of suspect five weeks after murders. And
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: now remember, look, five weeks is really not that long
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: of a time when we're talking about a homicide investigation.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: These investigations take time to process. You have to wait
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: for a whole boatload of results to come in on
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the DNA front and on the digital forensic front. And
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that's just scratching the tip of the iceberg. I'm under
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: no illusions that the investigators have quite the job on
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: their hands. And since Jump Street, I really haven't had
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: too much of a gripe with what they're doing behind
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the scenes because, again, I don't know what they're doing
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So I can't criticize that and do
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it honestly, right? So I really don't have anything to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: say about that. My biggest problem has been the miscommunication
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: between And it seems like the chief here, Chief Fry,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: has some thin skin. And if you're going to have
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: an international case like this, which it has now become,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: by the way, there is international interest in this case.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: You have to have a thick skin. People are going
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to criticize you. They're going to criticize your investigation. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you just have to keep it moving and keep grinding.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Because whatever people have to say about the police chief
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: or their investigation, it really shouldn't matter to the investigators.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: If you're confident in what you're doing, then let the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: results speak for themselves. Because really, when all is said
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and done, that's what's going to matter. The results in
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: this case. Did you find the killer or didn't you?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Melissa Luck. Five weeks after
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: four University of Idaho students were murdered, The father of
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: one of the victims says he's still hopeful for a
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: resolution in the case. Steve Gonsalves' daughter, Kaylee, was stabbed
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to death on November 13th. Her friends, Maddie Mogan, Ethan Chapin,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and Zanna Carnodle, were also killed in the home just
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: off campus. Gonsalves has been the most outspoken of the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: victim's families, often critical of the lack of public information
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and the pace of the investigation. And there are people
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: out there that are really butthurt that Steve Gonsalves has
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: an opinion about what happened to his daughter. What I'll
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: say to you is this. Don't you think that the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: survivors of Jeffrey Epstein or the gymnasts that were, you know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: representing the United States of America, don't they wish that
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: they had somebody as outspoken as Steve Gonsalves that was
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: willing to hold people's feet to the fire? because there's
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of trust and faith that's put into
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the FBI and I just don't get it honestly this
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: isn't the FBI of yesteryear this isn't the Elliot Ness
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: untouchable FBI when he said on CNN that he's trying
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to determine how to navigate the holiday season knowing his
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: daughter's killer is still out there. We want to take
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: time away. We don't want to be on the circuit,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves said. We just want to relax in knowing that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: those officers are there and they're the best of the best.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: It's definitely, definitely comforting. So, of course, you want the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: best of the best if it's your daughter. Would anyone
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: demand any less? And they have investigators that have only
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: been on the scene for a couple of years who
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: are taking lead roles here. Of course, people are going
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: to question that. Now, all of that criticism might be unfounded.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: The investigator might be top notch and great at what
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: he does. But does that mean that people shouldn't bring
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: up the question at the very least or the criticism
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that this is somebody with not that much experience when
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: it comes to turning homicide cases? Why would people get
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: mad at someone asking that question? And that's basically what Mr.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves is doing here. And then people turn it around
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: like he's trying to attack the investigation. It's bananas to me.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: You can be critical of something but still support it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: This all-or-nothing nonsense that we find ourselves engaging in all
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the time is a little weird. You can support this investigation,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: but at the same time be critical of it and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: demand more of it because you want results. And that's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: where I find myself viewing Steve Gonsalves at. Somebody who
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: might be critical of this investigation, but if you think
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that you want this investigation solved more than Steve Gonsalves
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: or any of these family members... You should probably take
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a step back and get in touch with reality. We're struggling,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: he said, and we have a lot of people around
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: us that are there for us and help us and
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: giving us some support. So we'll make it through. Can
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you imagine going into the holiday season like this? You
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: already missed Thanksgiving with your daughter because she was murdered.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Now you have Christmas, you have New Year and all
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: of the days to come in the future without your daughter.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: And people are out here actually criticizing this dude. It
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: is just unbelievable to me. Police haven't released much new information,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: only saying they've received more than 10,000 tips on the case.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: New video surfaced over the weekend that shows two of
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the victims, Kaylee and Maddie, walking with a friend in
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the hours before they were attacked. It's not clear if
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that will help the case in any way, but it
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: did offer more context to fill in where they were
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: before they were killed. That video, along with more than 4,500
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: other video clips has been shared with the FBI. And
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: there's people out there that actually are saying things like, well,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: there's too many tips coming in. How are they going
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to sort through them? What does that even mean? So
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: should people stop offering up tips? Now, obviously, if you're
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: sitting around in your basement and you got some kind
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: of spirit box or you're consulting your ancestors about what
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: happened in this case or you're throwing chicken bones and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: dancing around like a wild man, I'm pretty confident that
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I can speak for everybody when I say cut the shit.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: You're not going to solve this case. And while we
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: might criticize the investigators here on this podcast, I am
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: well aware that they are the best chance we have
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: for getting justice here. But that doesn't mean we're not
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: going to stay on top of it. Look, after what
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I learned over the last four years following the Jeffrey
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Epstein case and the Larry Nassar case, nothing really shocks
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: me when it comes to ineptitude at the highest levels
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: of the FBI. So given those past experiences, I'm a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: little bit more critical of the FBI overall as far
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: as the bureaucracy goes. The most significant piece of evidence
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: so far has been the search for a white Hyundai
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Elantra that was seen near the crime scene at the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: time of the murders. Police believe whoever was in the
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: car could have information critical to the case. They showed
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a clip of where the camera was, so you can
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: kind of get a good idea of what street that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: was filming, Gonsalves said of the car, which was captured
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: on a nearby surveillance camera. It would be suspicious, I
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: would believe, for a vehicle just to be rolling around
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: at 3 in the morning, so I think they have
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: good reason to talk to that individual and see what
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: was going on during that time. Yeah, there's no doubt.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Whoever was driving that vehicle, there's some questions that they
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: have to answer. 100%. Now, is the person or persons
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: in that vehicle the murderer? We don't know that yet.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: But it seems to me that this is a very,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: very critical piece of information or that they could have
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: a very critical piece of information. And with all of
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the hubbub going on and all of the publicity around
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: this case, I have a hard time believing that there's
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: somebody out there driving this Hyundai Elantra that just has
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: no idea that this is all going on. Moscow police
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: say they've identified more than 22,000 vehicles that match the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: description of the make and model and want anyone with
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: specific leads to come forward. Monday, they said a white
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Elantra found crashed and abandoned in Eugene, Oregon, has no
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: connection to the case. Gonsalves said he won't stop trying
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: to help authorities find the killer. I'm trying to do
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: everything in my power to help them, and we're trying
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to collaborate with them, he said. That's a good thing.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know why the authorities would not be receptive
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: to that. Now, you don't have to give them inside information,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: but have a little bit of empathy. And from what
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: we have heard, it doesn't seem like there's been much
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: of that to go around. He also urged people online
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to stop sharing personal information about people that have not
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: been named in any way as suspects. This is a
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: good move, too. If you're out there and you think
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: that you're Inspector Clouseau or Inspector Gadget or some shit
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: like that, you're not. Take it easy. Take a step back.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Internet forums and Facebook groups are filled with people sharing
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: unsubstantiated theories about the case, including names, pictures, and private information. Look,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: if you want to share theories and speculation, that's one thing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That's the human mind. Everybody is going to want to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: know who did this, right? And everybody's going to have
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: their own opinion on what they think happened. But when
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you start inserting names and you start doxing people, contacting
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: people's jobs, all that other bullshit, what is wrong with you?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Don't go after them. Don't take pictures of their homes.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: We don't want that. We're not after that at all.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: And they're not. That's the kind of shit that gets
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: in the way. This is a grieving father. And if
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you don't have anything to offer as far as a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: real full-on tip goes, you shouldn't be calling in with
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: your BS spirit boxes or your crystals or mercuries in retrograde.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear it. But at the same time,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that valid criticism shouldn't be leveled at
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: an investigation that seems to not be going very far
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: very quickly. So finding that balance, I think, is going
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to be crucial for Mr. Gonsalves and his family moving forward.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: And hopefully they'll find that balance and them and the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: authorities can get on the same page and at least
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: get a relationship that is not filled with friction. All right, folks,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: like to contact me, you can do that at BobbyCapucci
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: at ProtonMail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtonMail.com. You can also find
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description box. Welcome
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: back to the program. Ever since this horrendous ordeal first started,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves' dad, Steve Gonsalves, has been very vocal about
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: what happened and about the investigation overall. And he went
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: so far as to hire a lawyer to handle the
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: communications between him and the investigators. There's no doubt that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: at times it was rather contentious. Mr. Gonsalves making statements
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: in public and obviously he was grieving and wanted answers.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: But there were some out there who wanted to deride him,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: wanted to make fun of him and act like he
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: was going to destroy the chances of ever arresting somebody
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: in this case. And I thought that was Looney Tunes then.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: And I think it's Looney Tunes now. None of us
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: know how we're going to react if our daughter is killed.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Never mind in a sensationalized story such as this. Then
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you go, what, 47 days without any answers, no suspect?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And for me and you sitting here on the sidelines,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: it's one thing for us to say, hey, look, you
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: got to have some patience. It's a whole nother thing
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: when your daughter's not at the dinner table on Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to see how you react if it was
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: your daughter. So that's why I wasn't so hard on Mr.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves and understanding about him speaking out in public the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: way he did. The man wanted answers. He was frustrated.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: He was sad. He was grieving. And he wanted to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: know who was responsible for the murder of his daughter. Well,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: according to the authorities now, him and his family, they
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: know who did it. And Mr. Gonsalves and his wife, Christy,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: they gave an interview to Fox News. News. So today
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: we're going to dive into that interview and we're going
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to see what Steve and Christy Gonsalves had to say
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: about the arrest. This article was published by Fox News headline.
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  Speaker 1: Parents of Idaho murder victim speak out after arrest of Koberger.
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  Speaker 1: We feel lucky knowing we have somebody. This article was
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  Speaker 1: authored by Ashley Carnahan. Steve and Christy Gonsalves, the parents
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of murdered Idaho student Kaylee, said they feel lucky knowing
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: their daughter's alleged murderer is behind bars nearly seven weeks
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: after her death Tuesday on Hannity. And I can only
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: imagine what a relief it must be to think that
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the person who is responsible is behind bars. Now, of course,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I'd have the feeling in the back of my mind
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: because I just have anxiety anyway, that it wasn't the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: right person or what if he gets off. And I'm
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: sure that Mr. Gonsalves and his wife, Christy, are going
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: through a whole range of emotions right now. And I
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: won't even begin to project what they're feeling because none
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: of us can even imagine it. Never mind, try and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: walk a day in their shoes. Nothing feels worse than
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: having nobody and just nothing but doubt. In seven weeks
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of that, or close to seven weeks of that, that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: was a tremendous amount of pressure on us, Steve Gonsalves said,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and you know the holidays added to it. And this
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: sick bastard, if he is the one who did it,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: chose to do it around the holidays for maximum impact.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Keep that in mind. You know, your children look for
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: you to tell them what's going to happen and how
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: things are going to go. And you can't. You can't
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: control anything. And you just sit back and you just wait.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And it's very hard to get over. And it's that
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: feeling of helplessness, right? Being a dad, you want to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: protect your child. You want to help. You want to
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: be there to step in and make sure nothing happens
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to them. And when you're not able to do that...
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: You feel helpless. And that's how Mr. Gonsalves felt going
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: through this because there was nothing he could really do
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: to affect the outcome. When my girlfriend was diagnosed with
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: breast cancer, I felt the same way. Like I wanted
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to be more active. I wanted to help more. I
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: wanted to be involved. But you can only do so much.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And Mr. Gonsalves, that's what he ran into as well.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: He wanted to do more. He wanted to find the
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: person himself. But obviously that's not in his power. So
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: he was frustrated. And you add to that all of
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the grief and all of the just emotions that are
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: running through him. And of course, he's going to say
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: some things out in public and lash out at the
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: investigators because the person responsible wasn't around to lash out at.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Now that they have a suspect, however, well, as the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: trial moves forward, I'm sure Mr. Gonsalves is going to
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: focus that rage and that anger. Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, and Zanna Kernodle were stabbed to death at
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: an off-campus home on November 13th. The Moscow Police Department
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: offered few updates on the investigation at times, causing critics
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: to question if the small-town force could handle the case. Look,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I certainly was one of the people wondering if they
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: were going to be able to handle it. But at
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the same time, I was also aware that they were
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: our best chance of solving this. And whenever you have
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: a small town police force that is dealing with something
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: like this, you have to have a few questions, right?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: It's a show me type of industry. And what I
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: mean by that is results. That means arrests. That means prosecutions.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: That means convictions. And up until this point, we weren't
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: sure if they were going to be able to bring
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: this home. But now that they have, or at least
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: they think they have, they certainly should be given a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: tip of the hat. Because when all was said and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: done and all the chips were pushed into the center
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: of the table, they got the guy that they said
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: is responsible for this. Now getting the conviction, that's the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: next chapter. But the police work here, at least as
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: of now, seems to be solid. Steve Gonsalves, who was
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: critical at times of how the case was progressing, said
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: investigators did a tremendous job. And look again, Mr. Gonsalves,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: he understands what's at stake here and he just wanted
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: somebody to be caught. And he felt that if he
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: pressured the investigators, if he kept them on their toes,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that that would create some accountability. And in the end,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody wanted the same thing. And that's somebody to be
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: captured here, somebody to be brought to justice for these horrific,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: grisly murders. I think, you know, it's never fast enough
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: for a father. You're impatient and you want to know
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: everything right then and there. But I feel good. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: feel like they've done a tremendous job, he added. I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: know that they've been working hard. We just had a
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: lot of holidays. These guys were working out of town.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate all the effort that they gave. I mean,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: there were times where I was tough on them, but
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I know these are strong men and women, and I
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: know they can handle just a little bit of pushback,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and we are where we want to be, and they
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: put us there. So that's a very noble thing for Mr.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves to do, to come out here and, you know, say, hey, look,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I know I was tough on them, but they did
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a tremendous job. And for the investigators, the police, they
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: can hold their heads up high as well because they
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: did do a good job here. Whenever you go and
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: get somebody and bring them into custody and do your
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: part of it, well, now it's up to the prosecution
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: to make sure they slam it home. Host Sean Hannity
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: asked what the appropriate justice would be in the case. Well,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: considering that this person went in there that night with
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the intent to kill and showed no mercy, unprovoked, and
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: killed our daughter, her best friend, and their two friends,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: we are glad we live in the state of Idaho
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: with the death penalty, Christy Gonzalez said. Koberger waived extradition
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and will be brought to Moscow, Idaho to face charges.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: So Idaho definitely is a death penalty state. Will they
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: go for the death penalty here? Will they get it?
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll have to see how everything shakes out.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: But if I was the prosecutor, I'd be going for
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: the death penalty here if my case was strong and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I knew without a shadow of a doubt that I
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: had my guy. I mean, if there was ever an
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: instant where the death penalty should come into play, shouldn't
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: it come into play when you murder four people? You're
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: obviously a danger to the rest of us. You're never
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: going to be rehabilitated. So what's the point? Keep you
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: in prison, pay for you, let you write letters and
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: have a fan club and all the rest of it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I'll pass on all of that. I'm usually not a
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: fan of the death penalty in most instances because I
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: don't think the state should have the power to kill citizens.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: But in certain instances such as this. There certainly is
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a discussion to be had about there being a death
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: penalty because people like this, they're never going to change.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: This man went in there, according to the authorities, in
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: a premeditated manner with the idea and the intent to
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: murder these four kids while they were in their bed.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: If that's not grounds for the death penalty, I don't
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: know what would be. So if this doesn't go to
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the death penalty, why even have it in the state, right?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: What could be more grisly? What could be more horrendous
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: than what we witnessed in Moscow? Because that is some
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: of the most gruesome stuff you're ever going to see.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Four people in bed sleeping and someone coming in and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: murdering them like that. That is just beyond the pale.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: That isn't, you know, a robbery gone wrong. That isn't
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I had an altercation with you in the street. That
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: is I sat around and I cooked up this plot.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: And then not only that, I acted on all of
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: my sick, disgusting thoughts that I premeditated. And that's what
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the authorities are saying. Brian Koberger did. So if that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: is the case and they get the conviction, I would
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: hope that they go after the death penalty as well,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: because somebody like this obviously deserves the death penalty if
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: they're guilty of these crimes. So it's going to be
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: interesting to see which way Thompson goes and see what
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the other families have to say, because that does play
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: into it. They'll ask the victim's families, do you think
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: they should be put to death? Ask them for their input.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: And while it's not the final decision maker, it certainly
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: does go into the decision making process being put together
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: by the state and the prosecutor. So that's going to
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: be an interesting facet of this, folks, as we move forward.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Either way, Mr. Gonsalves and his wife going on the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: record with Hannity and talking about the case, the investigation,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and now the arrest of Brian Koberger. All right, folks,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
• 48:20
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