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The Kenny Report | 5 February · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump unveils a revolutionary plan to remake the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: with the US promising the clear Hummas out of Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: provides security and rebuild the territory. The astonishing plan with
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  Speaker 2: America taking ownership of the Middle East hotspot has left
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  Speaker 2: our Prime minister speechless.
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  Speaker 1: Our electricity grid caught dangerously.
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  Speaker 2: Short of power more often than ever, while the Energy Minister,
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen toys around as usual on social media, local
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  Speaker 2: councils indulging themselves on ratepayers dollars while increasing rate bills.
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  Speaker 2: All that plus Paul Enhanson, Deputy Liberal Leader Susan Lee,
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  Speaker 2: and the Wednesday rangele on the ABC's diversity.
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  Speaker 1: Employment pain, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: When President Donald Trump welcomed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nett
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  Speaker 2: and Yahoo to the White House, we knew the outcome
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  Speaker 2: would be significant. After all, it was Trump who'd provided
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  Speaker 2: the impetus for the current ceasefire and hostage deals. But
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  Speaker 2: nobody expected this the most powerful nation on Earth volunteering
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  Speaker 2: to take responsibility for Gaza, where the latest war has
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  Speaker 2: been just one in a history of intractable enmity.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to take over that piece that we're going
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  Speaker 3: to develop it, create thousands and thousands of jobs, and
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  Speaker 3: it'll be something that the entire Middle East can be
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  Speaker 3: very proud of. But everybody feels that continuing the same
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  Speaker 3: process it's gone on forever, over and over again, and
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  Speaker 3: then it starts, and then the killing starts, and all
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  Speaker 3: of the other problems start, and you end up in
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  Speaker 3: the same place, and we don't want to see that happen.
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  Speaker 2: In an instant, the Middle East is transformed, and where
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  Speaker 2: it will end good or ill, nobody can say for
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  Speaker 2: sure yet. But of course somebody has to provide security
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  Speaker 2: in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody has to eliminate Hamas and.
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  Speaker 2: Keep them at bay, rebuild society and keep the peace.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody has to carve out a future where all previous.
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  Speaker 1: Ventures have failed.
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  Speaker 2: And to be frank, the United Nations is so discredited
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  Speaker 2: on Middle East policy it can have no meaningful role.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that nobody expected this. Donald Trump and America
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  Speaker 2: taking control of the Gaza strip and ownership of the
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  Speaker 2: problem in Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: Israel has three goals. Destroy Hamas's military and governing capabilities,
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  Speaker 4: Secure the release of all of our hostages and ensure
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  Speaker 4: that Gaza never again poses a threat to Israel. I believe,
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  Speaker 4: mister President, that your willingness to puncture conventional thinking, thinking
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  Speaker 4: that has failed time and time and time again, your
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  Speaker 4: willingness to think outside the box with fresh ideas will
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  Speaker 4: help us achieve all these goals.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United
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  Speaker 3: States owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands
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  Speaker 3: of jobs with something that will be magnificent in a
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  Speaker 3: really magnificent area that nobody would know. Nobody can look
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  Speaker 3: because all they see is death and destruction and rubble
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  Speaker 3: and demolished buildings falling all over. It's just a terrible,
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  Speaker 3: terrible side.
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  Speaker 1: I've studied it.
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  Speaker 3: I've studied this very closely over a lot of months,
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  Speaker 3: and I've seen it from every different angle and it's
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  Speaker 3: a very very dangerous place to be and it's only
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  Speaker 3: going to get worse. And I think this is an
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  Speaker 3: idea that's gotten tremendous and I'm talking about from the
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  Speaker 3: highest level of leadership, gotten tremendous praise, and if the
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  Speaker 3: United States can help to bring stability and peace in
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  Speaker 3: the Middle East, will do.
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  Speaker 2: That So much for Gaza being run by Gazans I
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  Speaker 2: guess they ended that experiment on October the seventh, twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three. So much for those who feared another extended
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  Speaker 2: Israeli occupation. They haven't been in Gaza since two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and five, so why would they want to go back.
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  Speaker 2: So much for those who thought the United Nations could
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  Speaker 2: lead peacekeepers there. They've given us Unra, which had terrorists
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  Speaker 2: in its ranks. They've failed before, especially in southern Lebanon
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  Speaker 2: where they were.
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  Speaker 1: Supposed to keep Hesbalah and its armory out.
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  Speaker 2: So much for Hamas trying to drive a wedge between
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  Speaker 2: Israel and the United States and keep Western interests out
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  Speaker 2: of the Middle East. So much for Donald Trump and
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  Speaker 2: traditional American isolationism. So much for keeping American troops and
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  Speaker 2: American lives out of foreign war zones. There are so
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  Speaker 2: many questions. Does this really mean American ownership for colonization
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  Speaker 2: and how can that stand?
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  Speaker 1: Will Gazans stay or go?
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  Speaker 2: And if large numbers of them are to leave, how
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  Speaker 2: will Trump and net and yahou convince neighboring nations like
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  Speaker 2: Egypt and Jordan to accept them. How will US troops
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  Speaker 2: deal with terrorists intent on killing them and perpetuating conflict.
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  Speaker 2: How will American voters tolerate this new American expansionism and
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  Speaker 2: exposure to conflict. Trump has upended everything in global democracy
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  Speaker 2: in one fell swoop, and it's the boldest challenge yet
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  Speaker 2: to the malevolent influence of around in the region, whose
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  Speaker 2: pursuit of nuclear weapons Trump warmed against today.
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  Speaker 3: I really want to see peace, and I hope that
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  Speaker 3: we're able to do that. They cannot have a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 3: It's very simple. I'm not putting restrictions. They can not
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  Speaker 3: have one thing. They cannot have a nuclear weapon. And
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  Speaker 3: if I think that they will have a nuclear weapon
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  Speaker 3: despite what I just said, I think that's going to
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  Speaker 3: be very unfortunate for them. If, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 3: they can convince us that they won't, and I hope
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  Speaker 3: they can, it's very easy to do. It's actually very
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  Speaker 3: easy to do. I think they're going to have an
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  Speaker 3: unbelievable future.
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  Speaker 2: It's too early to make sensible judgments about what will unfold.
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  Speaker 2: The Trump intervention is too dramatic for that, and reactions
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  Speaker 2: and details will keep emerging for days and weeks to come.
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  Speaker 2: The potential for mistakes for trauma and setbacks is high,
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  Speaker 2: but the opportunities for a peaceful reset are also unprecedented.
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  Speaker 2: Hamas Hezballah, Islamic je Had Islamic State, the Hutis, and
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  Speaker 2: Iran will all hate this, and that's all to the good.
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  Speaker 2: The reaction of Saudi Arabia and Egypt, among others, will
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  Speaker 2: be crucial. I've always argued that the United States' biggest
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  Speaker 2: mistake over the Iraq War was abandoning the region. Afterwards,
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  Speaker 2: they needed to maintain a presence to secure the peace,
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  Speaker 2: but Barack Obama took all US troops out, just as
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  Speaker 2: Joe biden a band in Afghanistan to the Taliban. So
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  Speaker 2: US presence can be a stabilizing influence and it can
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  Speaker 2: act as a guaranteur for security, but it can also
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  Speaker 2: act as an irritant and a magnet for jihadis terrorists everywhere,
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  Speaker 2: especially if they believe the commitment is negotiable or temporary.
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  Speaker 1: Palestinians will not voluntarily give up Gaza, and the Arab
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  Speaker 1: world won't expect them to do. So. We should strap ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: In and hope for the best, but prepare for more difficulties.
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  Speaker 2: While all this was happening, our prime minister was getting
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  Speaker 2: ready to make another spending announcement, splashing some more cash around,
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  Speaker 2: this time for health than hospitals. When he did front
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  Speaker 2: the media, he didn't have much to say about the
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  Speaker 2: most significant global development, not just of the day, but
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  Speaker 2: of the year so far.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to have a running commentary on statements
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  Speaker 5: by the President of the United States, so I've made
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  Speaker 5: that very clear.
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  Speaker 2: Really, these are not mere statements. These amount to a
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  Speaker 2: new joint policy between the US, our greatest ally, and Israel,
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  Speaker 2: and they'll reshape or upend the region. If I was
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  Speaker 2: running the PM's office, I would have canceled the health
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  Speaker 2: announcement and formulated a holding position on the new Gaza plan.
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  Speaker 2: At the very least, Albanez he should have been able
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  Speaker 2: to say that someone has to rebuild Gaza and provide security,
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  Speaker 2: and that the US commitment is welcome. He could also
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  Speaker 2: note that the old policies have failed repeatedly and welcomed
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to work.
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  Speaker 1: With the US and Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Where he on this, perhaps he could have even ruled
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  Speaker 2: out sending any troops or taking more immigrants from Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: But Alboa well, he had no idea what to.
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  Speaker 5: Say I've also said that I'm not going to as
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  Speaker 5: Australia as Prime Minister, give a daily commentary on statements
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  Speaker 5: by the US President. My job as to support Australia's position.
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  Speaker 5: My job here today, I'll tell you what Australians will
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  Speaker 5: be concerned about. They're concerned about medicare, They're concerned about education,
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  Speaker 5: They're concerned about whether they have access to free Take
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  Speaker 5: the debate that we've just had, I'll continue to engage
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  Speaker 5: in that.
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  Speaker 1: We will.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, what we do is we take considered positions
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  Speaker 5: when matters of international affairs are raised, and we do
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  Speaker 5: so in a manner that is consistent with Australia's value.
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah, no idea, no conviction, no certitude.
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  Speaker 1: Elbow is all at sea on this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: He's always demonized Trump and he used to protest against Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so we'll all see. I suppose what he has.
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  Speaker 2: To say about all this when someone else works it
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  Speaker 2: out for him. Now at home, the energy crisis continues,
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  Speaker 2: the homegrown energy crisis created by the ideological obsessions of labor,
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  Speaker 2: the greens, and the tills. We've learned today that our
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  Speaker 2: national electricity grid ran dangerously short of power more often
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  Speaker 2: for the last quarter than at any previous time. Now
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  Speaker 2: that's a terrific new record, isn't it. We've got the
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  Speaker 2: most expensive electricity ever, power bills that, instead of going
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  Speaker 2: down by two hundred and seventy five dollars as Labor
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  Speaker 2: promised of Skyrop, could another one thousand dollars, and for
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  Speaker 2: all that money, our power is less reliable than ever before.
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  Speaker 2: All this, while the Energy Minister talks about a green hydrogen.
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  Speaker 6: Revolution, only Labor has the plan to ensure that Australia
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  Speaker 6: is part of, and he's leading that hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what Chris Bowen says about green hydrogen while
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  Speaker 2: he throws tens of billions of dollars of.
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  Speaker 1: Your taxes at it.
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  Speaker 2: But the trouble is at least eight of the major
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  Speaker 2: projects he's touted have now been scrapped, written off as unviable,
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  Speaker 2: uneconomic and impractical by significant companies like BP Woodside, Forteskew
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  Speaker 2: and Origin, even though they were going to attract all
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  Speaker 2: sorts of government subsidies. Yet Bowen, a federal minister, no less,
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  Speaker 2: I have to remind you a grown man, even well,
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  Speaker 2: this is what this bloke does on the big salary
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  Speaker 2: you pay him.
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  Speaker 7: So.
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  Speaker 6: Peter Darton reckons that three hundred dollars in dull relief
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  Speaker 6: for every Australian household is reckless spending, But billions to
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  Speaker 6: subsidize bosses having lunch every day is a great idea.
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  Speaker 8: Got it?
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  Speaker 1: What a face. By the way, he's using more of
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  Speaker 1: your money to.
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  Speaker 2: Try to hide the power price increases that he's delivered
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  Speaker 2: to you rather than the cuts. Now, this bloke is
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  Speaker 2: the coalition's greatest asset. Surely he should be promoted at
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  Speaker 2: every opportunity. He's doing as much damage to Labour's election
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  Speaker 2: chances as he's doing to our electricity grid.
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  Speaker 1: I have more on this crucial issue later.
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  Speaker 2: Let's got to Canberra now and catch up with the
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  Speaker 2: founder and leader of One Nation, Pauline Hansen.
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  Speaker 1: Pauline, thanks for joining us again.
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  Speaker 2: Look, so many politicians, especially American leaders, try and stay
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  Speaker 2: away from the Middle East as much as possible because they.
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  Speaker 1: Don't want to get entangled in its mess.
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  Speaker 2: We thought this is perhaps what Donald Trump would do.
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  Speaker 2: Is had an isolationist stance on many foreign policy issues,
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  Speaker 2: but he has completely upended the diplomacy in that part
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  Speaker 2: of the world and put America front and center for
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  Speaker 2: resolving it. Are you enthusiastic about this or deeply concerned?
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  Speaker 9: Chris Ironing just heard about this about seven minutes ago
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  Speaker 9: what he was planning to do, So I'm thinking on
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  Speaker 9: my feet. I don't think it's a good move from
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  Speaker 9: the US. I've got family in the US and my understanding,
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  Speaker 9: and speaking of family, I've actually had a enough of
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  Speaker 9: fighting everyone else's wars, sending their people to war, losing life,
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  Speaker 9: and the cost to the taxpayer in America. Get behind Israel.
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  Speaker 10: Israel is there.
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  Speaker 9: I think they're doing a good job. If you want
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  Speaker 9: to make a difference, let Israel do make the difference with.
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  Speaker 10: It as you stead.
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  Speaker 9: I went over to Afrighanistan as well, and I saw
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  Speaker 9: the issues that that happened in Afghanistan in the short
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  Speaker 9: period of time that I was there, and it was
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  Speaker 9: a big arm If they should not have pulled out
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  Speaker 9: at the time they did, astral and America should never
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  Speaker 9: have pulled out out of the time they're on the
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  Speaker 9: cusp of actually making a big difference there.
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  Speaker 10: They pulled out too soon.
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  Speaker 9: They left billions of dollars of equipment in the country,
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  Speaker 9: as well, so, I my opinion, just thinking on my feet,
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  Speaker 9: America should not get involved in it. Don't go the Gaza.
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  Speaker 9: It will go on for decades. You will cost the
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  Speaker 9: your country billions of dollars' I just don't think they
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  Speaker 9: should support Israel and let them deal with it, you know,
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  Speaker 9: with their own country, and work with other countries around
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  Speaker 9: there to come to a conclusion to what's happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I expect we will see in coming days a
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  Speaker 2: lot of resistance in America. A lot of Trump supporters
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  Speaker 2: even will be very wary about American defense personnel being
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  Speaker 2: sent into the Gaza strip. But I thought Anthony Alberanezi
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  Speaker 2: was pathetic today having nothing to say about it. He
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't even venture an opinion. Surely, the essential fact here
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  Speaker 2: that we can all agree on is there needs to
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  Speaker 2: be some sort of security force in Gaza. It can't
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  Speaker 2: be Israel, and it can't be the United Nations.
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  Speaker 1: Because they're a disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: So the fact that America is prepared to lead that
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  Speaker 2: security force should be welcomed by most of the world.
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  Speaker 9: Totally agree with you, Yes, it is, so someone needs
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  Speaker 9: to sort it out, but it's not going to be
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  Speaker 9: sort out. You are dealing with terrasts over there, which
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  Speaker 9: we've spoken about many times. They hate the West. You
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  Speaker 9: will have ongoing problems over there. You will never win
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  Speaker 9: this war, not with the terrorists that are over there.
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  Speaker 9: And he's Blah and Hamas and all these other terrorist organizations.
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  Speaker 9: That's exactly what they are. And I fear for, you know,
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  Speaker 9: the Middle East. But I've got to say Israel has
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  Speaker 9: done a great job and protecting their own country, defending
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  Speaker 9: it to the best of their ability. They need support
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  Speaker 9: from other countries around the Well, yeah, you just feel
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  Speaker 9: like shaking them Christ and say wake come yourself, because
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  Speaker 9: it's the people all these surrounding countries that are suffering
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  Speaker 9: the death and destruction that is happening to the children,
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  Speaker 9: all the rest of it.
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  Speaker 10: And it's all political.
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  Speaker 9: It's all an ideology political that they can't sit down
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  Speaker 9: and try and live in peace. Just frustrating.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to bring it back to Australia and
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  Speaker 2: the issues we have with social cohesion here. We've seen
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  Speaker 2: an incredible wave of andy Semitism over the past sixteen months.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to show you this vision from a
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  Speaker 2: service station. There was attack with a shocking graffiti attack
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  Speaker 2: last night in Sydney's Southwest where the spray painters were
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  Speaker 2: attacking the family and attacking Australia. Down with Australia and
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  Speaker 2: they were praising Lebanon instead. Isn't this another indication of
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  Speaker 2: a shocking degradation in a social cohesion? Here here it
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  Speaker 2: is I hate Australia. Lebanon is to the fore die
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  Speaker 2: Aussie dogs.
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  Speaker 1: This is shocking, isn't it.
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  Speaker 9: It is shocking, Chris. I'll go back to it and
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  Speaker 9: I put a private members beyond Flora Parliament to ensure
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  Speaker 9: that citizenship is not handed out for at.
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  Speaker 10: Least eight years.
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  Speaker 9: People must prove themselves that they want to be Australian
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  Speaker 9: and will assimilate into our country. Most migrants have come
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  Speaker 9: here have and they love this country.
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  Speaker 10: I talk to them.
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  Speaker 9: They just love this country. But we are too weak
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  Speaker 9: in restricting certain people from different parts of the world
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  Speaker 9: who will never assimilate, hate us, only come here for
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  Speaker 9: what they can get out of the system and live
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  Speaker 9: off us.
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  Speaker 10: And to see that.
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  Speaker 9: Happen in Australia.
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  Speaker 10: Hate the place.
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  Speaker 9: If you hate the place, mate them, get the hell
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  Speaker 9: out of it. Go back to Lebanon, and you know
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  Speaker 9: Lebanon is basically, you're either Christian or a Muslim over there.
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  Speaker 9: I can't see the Christians actually coming out and saying this.
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  Speaker 9: That's sort of wording. I may be wrong, but we
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  Speaker 9: need to really clamp down on who we're allowing into
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  Speaker 9: the country and stop them coming from these countries that
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  Speaker 9: hate us, have no regards for the Western civilization.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know who has committed this, so we'll wait
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  Speaker 2: a word from the police.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know whether they're immigrants or were born here.
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  Speaker 1: We will wait and see.
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  Speaker 2: But it's shocking to see that graffiti on the streets
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  Speaker 2: of Sydney. Thanks for joining us, Pauline. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson their live from Canberra, and I want to
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  Speaker 2: go for some more analysis on this incredible day when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to Middle East diplomacy and global strategic affairs.
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined now by Michael Schubridge Strategic Analysis Australia. He's
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  Speaker 2: a director of that organization, joins me live from Canberra
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  Speaker 2: as well. Michael, your top of the head assessment of
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  Speaker 2: this dramatic intervention we heard about today from Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Chris.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think it's going to happen because two million
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  Speaker 7: Palestinians aren't going to happily leave Gaza, and the Arab
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  Speaker 7: states in Egypt are not going to welcome them in,
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  Speaker 7: while Donald Trump turns the Gaza to territory into some
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  Speaker 7: economic nirvana.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is extraordiny.
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  Speaker 2: The trouble is trying to decipher some of the words
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump uses and what the practical reality could be.
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  Speaker 2: Is he talking about ownership of the problem, ownership of
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  Speaker 2: rebuilding Gaza or is he actually talking about America having
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  Speaker 2: sovereignty over that land, which is I would have thought
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  Speaker 2: it was never going to happen.
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  Speaker 7: Well, he's talking about America taking an ownership stake and
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  Speaker 7: ownership position is the quote from him. And he's talking
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  Speaker 7: about the Palestinians not wanting to be there anymore because
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  Speaker 7: it's been destroyed, and being happy to be somewhere else,
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  Speaker 7: and even hoped that the King of Jordan and the
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  Speaker 7: general in Egypt would open their hearts and their lands
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  Speaker 7: to Palestinians. That is not going to happen. None of
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  Speaker 7: the Arab states nor Egypt welcomed Palestinians during this war.
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  Speaker 7: They kept their borders closed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And that's why it's a huge problem for him.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Especially with and Jordan. But what he's also talking about
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: rebuilding it and having a vital, revitalized economy. There a
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: riviera of the Mediterranean or of that part of the Mediterranean.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: So if he's doing that, presumably he's thinking that the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Palestinians some would stay or many who.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Go away during the rebuilding would come back.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Is there any opportunity for a realistic approach along that front.
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: There was something about maybe some Palestinians would come back,
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: but the Palestinians have been fighting and dying over this
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: land for generations. Now they're not going to stop and
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: happily wander off. The good thing about this is the
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: some US intent to help provide security in Gaza and
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: stop the mass being in control. Some will to be
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: involved in reconstruction, and there are new ideas needed on
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: that because the UN and the regional states have failed.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: But this idea really treats Gaza like a real estate opportunity.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: It's not that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for joining us, Michael. I appreciate your clear
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: analysis of that. Michael Schubridge there, I think he's absolutely right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: The good news and the way I see it is
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the good news is that Trump and America are prepared
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to be involved because you need somebody rebuilding Gaza and
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: providing security.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But the way Donald Trump has outlined it today, it's
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: some story. We'll come back to it later in the program.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Don't you worry.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: But after this break we're going to get back into
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Labour's green dream.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: It's in tatters at the moment.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: With a growing list of industry bodies slamming their renewables targets,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Australia's self imposed energy crisis continues. The latest headlines are
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: revealed we've run short of power in the national electricity
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: grid more often than the last quarter than ever before,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and this comes as a growing list of industry bodies
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: are demanding the alb and Easy Labor government abandon its
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: renewable energy targets in favor of more gas and cold
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: generation to provide energy security. After the Chamber of Commerce
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and Industry and Food Distributors Australia called for a policy change,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Infrastructure New South Wales and Energy Produces Australia have also
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: lashed out. The bottom line is that industry doesn't believe
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the plan to deliver eighty two percent of the nation's
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: electricity from renewable energy within five years is possible, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: it certainly is expensive and risky. This comes as at
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: least eight major green hydrogen projects have been scrapped by
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: companies like BP, Origin, Woodside and Fortescue, leaving Chris Bowen
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and Anthony Albanesi's so called green hydrogen revolution looking like
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: an exploding cigar.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: To get another perspective.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: On all this, let's got to renewable energy expert Matt
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Rennie in Brisbane. Matt, good to talk to you again.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I suppose the key question is this. You've talked to
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: us before about the difficulties, but is it possible well
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: from where we are now to get to eighty two
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: percent renewable energy by twenty thirty.
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: I don't think so, Chris. And remember, in order to
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: get there, we need two things to happen. The first
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: we need colder clothes, and the second we need to
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: be able to build the renewables and the transmission that
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: we need. On the first one, the eighty two percent
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: plan is pretty much a emo's step change scenario, which
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: assumed that, for instance, CALLI B was going to come
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: out of circulation and B decommissioned in Queensland. That's some
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: seven hundred megawatts. But I'm pretty sure the new government
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: in Queensland's going to run that right till the end,
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: to at least the mid twenty thirties, and so some
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: of that impetus for new renewables is certainly going to
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: come out. But secondly, it's becoming it's certainly. Secondly it's
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: becoming more complicated to build new wind power as well,
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: in that regions are now starting to have greater consultation
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: and that wind development pathway is now getting longer. And thirdly,
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: there's some eight and a half thousand pilometers a transmission
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: which needs to be built in order to make this
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: all happen, and on average that's three years behind. So
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: I'd say that chances are looking reasonably slim.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Well, just on a couple of those points, for instance
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the transmission and getting the rest of these renewable projects
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: which are being delayed.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: We've spoken to so many communities.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Around the country arcing up about renewables and transmission projects.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: They're also incredibly expensive, aren't they. Where's all the money
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: going to come to fund that sort of a roll
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: out in just five years.
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: Well, the money is there, Chris. There's a large number
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: of international and domestic funds that would love nothing more
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: than to deploy superannuation money and pension fund money into
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: the sector. The big issue is actually the first issue
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: that you raised, and that's the regional consultation piece. Something
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: like a five to six hundred megawatt wind farm needs
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty kilometers of
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: roads built, and this is in the middle of regional
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: communities with sometimes small roads and non weight bearing bridges.
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: And if you can image sort of France nineteen forty two,
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: that's pretty much what you're looking at with a five
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: to six hundred megawatt wind farm development over about four years.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Now. The other point you mentioned is coal's staying in.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: But the reason coal assets are staying in surely is
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: because we need them.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: We don't have enough power without them.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: We've got state governments effectively subsidizing them to keep them online.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Doesn't it mean no matter which direction we go in,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: we need more gas generation and more gas supply and quickly.
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: Look, we're in a real pincer grip at the moment.
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: Coal will stay in for as long as possible, which
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: in turn will keep prices a little bit lower, which
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: is good for consumers, but delay renewables. But in the
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: long term we will need more renewables in the system
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: providing that base load. But as you say, needs to
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: be firmed. The difficulty I have, of course, and I've
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: said this before, is that each element of the supply
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: chain at the moment is increasing in cost. We're coming
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: off forty to fifty years of very low cost power
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: and making this transition affordable for everybody is going to
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: be the challenge.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I know the answer to this.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: We have to hear it. Our viewers have to hear
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: this again. I think you've told us before.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: There's nowhere our electricity prices are going in the next
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: ten years.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: That's not upright, That's exactly right.
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: I think they'll go up by about ten percent perannum
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: for the next fifteen years, and I can't see a
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: wave of avoiding it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Matt Renny there with the bad news.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It's a mess.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Incredible amounts of investment and change required, and your power
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: bills ain't.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Going down, They're going to keep going up. It's got
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: some more bad news. Hey.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: One thing I like to keep my eye on is
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: local councils. Their nutty woke excesses. We focus on them
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: every now and then. Also they're waste of money and
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the way they make us pay for the money they waste.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: The examples keep coming. One council in Victoria accidentally chars
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: ratepayers ten million dollars extra last year, and in New
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: South Wales, the Kareinguay Council has booked a twenty thousand
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: dollars off site meeting in a blue mountain resort outside
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: its council area to discuss what to discuss possible rate increases?
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: What an insult? Just get on with the jobs.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: And this comes a week after riotous scenes at the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Northern Beaches Council in Sydney when some councilors and plenty
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: of ratepayers opposed a forty percent increase in council rates.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: That's right, forty percent increase.
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: As disgusting. It's treating us like idiots.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I was thinking that if that's the way they're running
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the business, then they'd be out of business.
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: They have to listen to the community. We can't keep
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: adding costs on cost.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Why are our councils wasting money? Why do we get
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: stuck with the bill and how can we stop it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I'm joined now by a councilor from the Northern Beaches,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Vincent de Luca.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Vincent, you opposed this forty percent rate increase. Tell us
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: about the council that you sit on and how it
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: wastes money. Shouldn't it be able to trim its spending
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: rather than bill ever increasing rates to the rate payers.
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: Thanks for having me on. Indeed, there are numerous ways
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: that we should be trimming the fat and also cutting waste.
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: That is just self interested. I don't know what the
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: Minister for Local Government, Ron honingg is doing in the
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: Office of Local Government down in the Hour, but even
• 28:29
  Speaker 11: today it's been revealed that over one hundred thousand dollars
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: a year has been spent on up to eleven to
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: twelve meetings a year and briefing meetings as well on
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: food and alcohol for counselors. That's just outrageous. Over one
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: hundred thousand dollars a year. Twenty five million dollars a
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: year has been spent on our executive of one hundred
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: and eleven members, and on top of that there's three
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: point three million dollars spent on their vehicles. And then
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: further to that over one hundred and seventy one million
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: dollars on staff salaries. Enough is enough. And if these
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: people are truly going to push this proposal for a
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: forty percent rate rise, which actually amounts to forty four
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: percent because there was a four percent rate rise in
• 29:19
  Speaker 11: June last year, it is absolute hypocrisy that they're prepared
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: to go out and spend one hundred thousand dollars of
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: ratepayers money on grog and food. It's just nonsensical and
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: a minister really needs to issure improvement notice to stop
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: this fast.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I suppose the argument, though, is it as ratepayers who
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: should demand this, They should take an interest in their
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: local government and to keep them accountable with it. That
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen, right, You've got this massive wages bill. I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: just say wasting money on hospitality, on food and drinks,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: but the massive wages bill. Surely there are jobs in
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: local councils that do more harm than good. I've had
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: a look at this for a long while. There's so
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: many bureaucrats who are just there slowing development approvals rather
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: than helping people, and they have all sorts of other
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: jobs that are in the sort of let's say the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: DEI sector and the like where they don't need to be.
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: So true, and the levels of management at Northern Beaches Council,
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: as I alluded to earlier, there's over one hundred and
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: eleven managers. I have junior staff coming to me all
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: the time complaining to even get a letter sent out,
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: it's got to go through four levels of management. That's
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: just ridiculous. To try and get a letter sign it
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: takes a week. This is just getting out of control
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: and we do have unnecessary positions in that council and
• 30:38
  Speaker 11: probably across councils. You know, most councils are paying their
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: executives similar wages, if not more. However, it's been shown
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: at city councils such as Paramatter, Blacktown and the City
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: of Sydney. Indeed they're not paying as much to their
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: executives and their staff as we're paying on the Northern Beaches.
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: So they're definitely on a good wicket. And the minute
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: Steff Local Government Ron Honig, the Office of Local Government's
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: head Jim Betts, needs to start being active and controlling
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: this outlandish spending.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Vincent de Luca, thanks for joining us, so I appreciated
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Council of Vincent de Luca. There from the Northern Beaches
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Council in Sydney. One hundred and ten managers in one
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: local government. This is the sort of waste I'm talking about.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: It's happening all around the country. You're getting stuck with
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: it with the rate increases and they just don't trim
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: their fat. There's money being wasted to hand over foot.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Don't hesitate to email examples into me from your council
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: anywhere in this country.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Got to take a break.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: the deputy Opposition leaders that were the deputy Liberal leaders
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: response to Trump's extraordinary plan to take over Gaza plus
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe puts on another feral performance in camera. Let's
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: get back to the biggest story in the world today,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the astonishing decision by Donald Trump to take ownership of
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the Gaza situation, eradicating Hamas, providing security and rebuilding the
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Gaza strip. The history making news came after a meeting
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: in the White House between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin and
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Yahoo and the US President.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: You have to learn from history. You can't keep doing
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: the same mistake over and over again. Gaza is a
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: hellhole right now, it was before the bombing started, frankly,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: and we're going to give people a chance to live
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: in a beautiful community that's safe and secure. And I
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: think you're going to see tremendous at tremendous outflowing of support.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I can tell you I spoke to other leaders of
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: countries in the Middle East and they love the idea.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: They said, what really brings stability and what we need
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: is stability.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I'll showed you earlier that Anthony Albanese he had nothing
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: to say on this. So I asked the definitely liberally
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: to Susan Lee what the coalition was, whether they would
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: work with the US and Israel to implement this plan.
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: We'll await further announcements of something that has just been
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: talked about this morning. You'll appreciate, Chris. But the key priority,
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: indeed the key priority for the global community, is the
• 33:16
  Speaker 12: release of the hostages. And I just can't overstate that enough,
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: because there are still hostages kept in the tunnels in
• 33:24
  Speaker 12: Gaza after the hideous October the seventh event and all
• 33:28
  Speaker 12: that went with it, and the terrorist organization Hamas being
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: still involved, and look you know this government, I mean
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: Petty Wong has abandoned Jewish Australians in the UN, Anthony
• 33:42
  Speaker 12: Albanezi has abandoned them on the streets for base domestic
• 33:47
  Speaker 12: political purposes to.
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: Get votes from the Greens.
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: And you know today in Parliament we pursued questions about
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: this terrorist caravan and we got there.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll come to that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt, I'll come to that in a second
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: because that's important. But just on Gaza and its future,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: obviously somebody has to provide security there. Somebody has to
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: oversee the rebuilding of Gaza. It can't be Israel. They're
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: not going to want to reoccupy Gaza. Nobody's going to
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: want to see that. It can't be the UN because
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: they've been useless in the Middle East, including in southern Lebanon.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: So it makes sense, doesn't it for the United States
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: to lead this mission.
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: Well, we will await further development. So I'm not going
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: to add to that. Chris at this point in time,
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: in his very early days.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the anti Semitism at home.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And as you say, there were questions in question time
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister about when he was advised of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the caravan of explosives, terrorism plot, the Jewish hatred, anti
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Jewish terrorist plot. He hasn't answered that question. Here's how
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton put it in Parliament today.
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: My question to the Prime Minister premium means he's open
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: and honest with the people of New South Wales when
• 35:03
  Speaker 13: he briefed and provided confidence to the public in declaring
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: what day he'd been advised of the planned terroist attack
• 35:09
  Speaker 13: by this unknown organization or people or individuals. The Prime
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: Minister has been embarrassed because he wasn't advised by the
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: police because they were worried about him leaking the information
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: ahead of.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Any action by the police.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Certainly, what evidence does the Coalition have that the Prime
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Minister or the police were worried that the Prime Minister
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: or his office could.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Leak this information?
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: What we have as a prime minister who can't answer
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: simple question, so the question lies with him. Why can
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: he not simply say when he was informed. If Premier
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: Chris Mins could explain the timeline and what he was
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: told or not exactly what he was told, but that
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: he was told about the terrorist caravan, the mass casualty
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: potential of them, then why can't the Prime Minister. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: this is the extraordinary thing, Chris, because we asked questions yesterday,
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: we've asked questions today, We've just got this continual obfiscation.
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: And I mean Australians don't all sit down at two
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: o'clock and watch question Time, but if they did, they
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: would be quite bewildered by a Prime Minister who is
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: not being asked to provide the detail. We appreciate that
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: there are sensitivity is around national security issues and of
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: course we're not expecting all of that detail, but surely
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: an answer to when he was told, why can he
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: not do that?
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: What is he hiding? Does he know why he wasn't told?
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: It's good enough for the Premiere of New South Wales
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: to give that honest explanation to the people of New
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: South Wales. Why isn't it for the Prime Minister to
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: give that honest explanation to all Australians.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly he is getting curious and curious as they say.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Peter Dunton made the point that if Anthony albany Is
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: he wanted to dispute that allegation.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: He could do so in Parliament. He didn't.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But in fairness, here's what the Prime Minister did say
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: there are.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Two choices you can make here. One is to prioritize
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: getting to the bottom of what is happening here, supporting
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: the police and intelligence agencies.
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: That's such an or you can.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Choose to play politics and play these games, and that
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: is precisely what you are doing.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what the Prime Minister says, but quite clearly
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: he could clear this issue up by just answering the question.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: So I want to leave that topic there, and while
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I've got you, Susan Lee, I want to ask another
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: question about an issue that's so important to this country
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: in the here and now and into the future, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: that is our energy crisis and what's going on there.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Surely labors are missions reductions and energy plans are in tatters.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Now they've got major industry groups asking them to pull
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: back on their renewables roll out and their green energy
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: revolution so spruped by albow and Chris Bowen. Well, it's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: just blown up because eight major projects have folded even
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: though they were promised billions of dollars in government underwriting.
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: It's exactly right, Chris. Their energy policy is in tatters. Meanwhile,
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: Australians are paying the price, because if you're a household
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: your energy bill is through the roof. If you're a
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: small business, it's sometimes going out the door backwards because
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: of your energy bill. And if you're a manufacturer, you're
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: shutting up shop and possibly going overseas. I have never
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: seen such a disastrous train wreck as every time I
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: see the Energy Minister try to spin his way out
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: of the latest situation. Meanwhile, we have to find a
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: way to restore the potential manufacturing capability of this country,
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: and it's what our wealth is built on, and it
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: is being completely overlooked by a government that just hasn't
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: got a clue. I mean, we knew that an eighty
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: two percent renewable electricity grid by twenty thirty was pie
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: in the sky. We set it from day one. It's
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: painfully apparent that that's the case. But meanwhile, billions of
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: dollars are wasted in building transmission lines that don't have
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: the backup to actually deliver base load power. You know,
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: I visit manufacturers who say to me, it's not even
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: about the cost, it's about the reliability. Falling behind really
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: badly in this country.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: What a disaster. Thanks for joining us Susan, I appreciate it.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Susan.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Lee there doesn't want to buy in too strongly to
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's Middle East planned either.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Does she.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Now after the break, you're going to have Linear Thorpe
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: taking on a former Miss America at Parliament House, plus
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that other minister who was in the chauffeur driven car
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: for the boozy winery lunch.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Rose Jackson. I'll show you how she explains herself after
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the break.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Hey, we've finally got the band back together again, the
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: proper websit Wrangel. We've got Liz Storer, the co host
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: of the Late Debate here on the desk with me.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: And of course we've got Justin Smith, finished with the
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: ABC Radio for a while, joining us again from Melbourne.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I'm really keen to hear. Welcome Froddie God's son. Share
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: with us a few tricks you learned at the ABC.
• 40:09
  Speaker 13: Look.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Got to get your thoughts on a couple of big stories.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: First up, let's remind everybody about Grace Stinky. I met
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: her or introduced you to her on this program a
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. She's a former Miss America who
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: also happens to be a nuclear engineer, and she's been
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: brought out to Australia to help make the case for
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: nuclear here. She was doing that in Parliament House, Canberra
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: today and how to look at what she copped to
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: her and her colleagues from Lydia thorpe.
• 40:49
  Speaker 14: Your children children, it'll poison all of your children's children,
• 41:00
  Speaker 14: justin Look, she's a senator for Victorians, she's your senator.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: What do you think of her behavior? Oh?
• 41:06
  Speaker 15: Thanks, mate? Oh look it doesn't help, does it. I mean,
• 41:12
  Speaker 15: look when you carry on like that. What sort of
• 41:15
  Speaker 15: drives me crazy about that is she's got an important voice.
• 41:18
  Speaker 15: The people put her there. She's a senator Victoria. She's
• 41:22
  Speaker 15: got ample opportunity to do interviews, to speak in the Senate,
• 41:29
  Speaker 15: not stand out at the corridor and scream like crazy,
• 41:31
  Speaker 15: because I think what happens when people do that, It
• 41:35
  Speaker 15: looks like the other side's got a better argument, and
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: you know, it sort of stops a proper debate. So
• 41:41
  Speaker 15: it really look, I'm all for yelling and screaming and
• 41:43
  Speaker 15: protesting and carrying on about the right things. And you know,
• 41:47
  Speaker 15: like I said, she's got an important voice, but she's
• 41:49
  Speaker 15: got to use it properly. And I really don't know
• 41:51
  Speaker 15: why she's gone down this track. And she's been doing
• 41:53
  Speaker 15: it for a while, isn't she.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Look it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Is embarrassing, isn't it, Liz Beecause she has a platform,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: she's a senator, she behaves like some sort of a
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: street maniac.
• 42:02
  Speaker 16: Yeah, and this would be something that a lot of
• 42:04
  Speaker 16: people would be interested to going to nuclear for Australia. Okay,
• 42:07
  Speaker 16: let's get into the nitty gritty. What does that look like?
• 42:10
  Speaker 16: Are we talking about small modular nuclear reactions?
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: Are we doing? How what are the costings? Et cetera?
• 42:15
  Speaker 16: And so and here we have an expert, they've come
• 42:18
  Speaker 16: to see her, and instead you've got this absolute maniac
• 42:22
  Speaker 16: streaking out in.
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: The Marble Hall.
• 42:25
  Speaker 16: But as we always say of Senator Lydia Thorpe, she
• 42:28
  Speaker 16: is the bride at every wedding, she is the corpse
• 42:30
  Speaker 16: at every funeral, She's the baby at every baby dedication
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: or christening.
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: This woman loves to rock up at other.
• 42:37
  Speaker 16: People's events, it doesn't matter what it is, and make
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: it about herself.
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: And she's done it again.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: She has done it again.
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: Now.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Last night we brought you the news that the former
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Transport Minister for New South Wales.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Joe Halen had resigned.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Of course, because of that boozy lunch where she'd organized
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: a taxpayer funded show for Driven Van to take her
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: friends and her partner off the winery lunch.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Well, there was another minister in.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: The car, the Housing Minister Rose Jackson. She's finally spoken
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: up today and explained why she shouldn't go the same way.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: She shouldn't resign because she was on board the same taxpayer,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: taxpayer funded lurk.
• 43:17
  Speaker 17: I didn't even know I was going away, certainly didn't
• 43:19
  Speaker 17: know any of the details, had nothing to do with
• 43:21
  Speaker 17: planning the logistics, had nothing to do with any of
• 43:24
  Speaker 17: the bookings, had no knowledge of any of those arrangements.
• 43:27
  Speaker 17: And yeah, I got in the car as a passenger. Obviously,
• 43:31
  Speaker 17: with the benefit of hindsight, I probably should have said something.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Mate, justin She didn't know what she was doing, where
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: she was going, didn't know that this show for driven
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: car was a government one, even though she has a
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: government one herself.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: Look for what I'll be completely honest here, I'm glad
• 43:53
  Speaker 15: this thing is drawn out for two reasons. One is
• 43:55
  Speaker 15: that I'm a journalist and I like a little bit
• 43:56
  Speaker 15: of chaos. But I think the second thing is we've
• 43:59
  Speaker 15: been talking about it so much. Hopefully this is left
• 44:01
  Speaker 15: a rotting corpse for every other minister, every other state
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: minister that comes along, who decides to misuse any vehicle
• 44:08
  Speaker 15: at all. So I just I think this is just
• 44:11
  Speaker 15: how they could see that. I mean, forget the pub test.
• 44:14
  Speaker 15: You know, this fails any test. They could sit there
• 44:18
  Speaker 15: and say, oh, now, look, this will be fine. Anyone
• 44:20
  Speaker 15: who's got that kind of judgment. I just I can't
• 44:23
  Speaker 15: believe some of the people we vote in Sometimes it's politics.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's extraordinary. It is.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: If she didn't know what the hell was going on,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: then how could she run a government department.
• 44:34
  Speaker 16: Indeed, like this is the most believable thing I've heard
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: since Epstein killed himself. I mean, seriously, even her body
• 44:41
  Speaker 16: language there in that clip, she is looking around at
• 44:45
  Speaker 16: the sky. She's not making eye contact with the journal
• 44:48
  Speaker 16: who's asked her the question.
• 44:50
  Speaker 10: She looks up and to the left.
• 44:52
  Speaker 16: This is anybody language expert will tell you that's someone
• 44:55
  Speaker 16: who's very likely not telling the truth.
• 44:58
  Speaker 10: They come up with these stories all the time.
• 45:00
  Speaker 16: And justin I love that you're hoping that this will
• 45:03
  Speaker 16: leave a smelling corpse that will put other people off
• 45:05
  Speaker 16: from doing the same.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: But how many have we talked about, how.
• 45:10
  Speaker 16: Many of them federal and sake for years and years
• 45:13
  Speaker 16: and years we.
• 45:15
  Speaker 10: Have these same Oh, what a misuse of taxpayer funds?
• 45:18
  Speaker 10: And then the next one rolls around. None of them learn,
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: none of them think they're going to be the ones
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: that get busted.
• 45:24
  Speaker 16: And it just goes to the opposition, don't push it. Well,
• 45:29
  Speaker 16: there is such a disregard they have for tax bed dollars.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: There is such a thing as the corpse flower, of course,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: and it attracts all the flies to do the propagation.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: And that's not the politicians will just be attracted to
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the corpse flower. Now let's get back to Donald Trump
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: and this astonishing news today, and one of the things
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: he says about Garza is that he's going to turn
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: it into this incredible Mediterranean paradise.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Really, have a look, we have.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: An opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal. And
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be cute. I don't want to
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: be a waste guy, but the riviera of the Middle East,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: this could be something that could be so bad, This
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: could be so magnificent.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big leap from what we see today.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I just want to show you, though, some pictures from
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Lebanon in the nineteen seventies.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: They used to talk about bea route.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: And Lebanon being the riviera of that region back in
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: the day because it was a beautiful beachside resort, lots
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of hotels and swimming pools and lots of people. I
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: don't think we've got the pictures here, but if we
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: keep going, perhaps we'll see them.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: But no, we don't.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Well, you get the idea there used to be lots
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: of people sitting around Paul's drinking things.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: That used to be like the riviera in Lebanon.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Now, to turn Gaza back into that sort of environment, Liz,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: is a big ask.
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: This is just insane.
• 46:47
  Speaker 16: Yesterday, this was a conspiracy theory, okay, the idea that
• 46:51
  Speaker 16: this was someone's end goal for this. And here we
• 46:54
  Speaker 16: are with Trump standing next Toinett Yahu's saying, no, this
• 46:57
  Speaker 16: is what we're going to do.
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: We are going to you.
• 47:01
  Speaker 16: Remove one point eight million Garzens. We're going to force
• 47:04
  Speaker 16: Egypt or Jordan to take them like stuff their sovereignty
• 47:07
  Speaker 16: as well. While I've just decided now that I'm leader
• 47:10
  Speaker 16: of the free world to and next gaza and have
• 47:13
  Speaker 16: my way with it. This is I mean Western imperialism
• 47:17
  Speaker 16: written large, normally, climdestinedly normally we do. You know, it's
• 47:22
  Speaker 16: all cia ops and you read about them decades later.
• 47:27
  Speaker 16: Now we've just taken to going, you know what this
• 47:30
  Speaker 16: is ours. We're going to do whatever the heck we
• 47:32
  Speaker 16: want with it. You surrounding States, you can just suck
• 47:35
  Speaker 16: it up.
• 47:35
  Speaker 10: It is. It is absolutely I mean remarkable states.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: It's bizarre.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't Lot Sety sites on the Mornington
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Peninsula justin.
• 47:45
  Speaker 15: Now, look I'll tell you how crazy. I'll tell you
• 47:47
  Speaker 15: how crazy this idea is. Pauline Hansen thinks it's even
• 47:52
  Speaker 15: a bad idea.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, even the greatest.
• 47:58
  Speaker 15: Trump stooges in this world, the biggest Trump stoodents in
• 48:01
  Speaker 15: this world, think that it's a crazy idea. That's how
• 48:04
  Speaker 15: bad an idea this is.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's feeling. Yeah, I've never seen anything
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: like it. We will see.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I think we're going to be talking about this one
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: for a long time to come.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Thanks for doing against Justin and Liz.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Liz will be back at ten o'clock for the late
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: debate that is all the time we go. Ff, it's
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: another time for some of your feedback from last night,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: where I showed you Anthony Albert Alberanize's economic stuff up.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: In question time, we've got Jerry saying labour's achievements inflation up,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: wages down, unemployment down, jobless up, homeless up. And Robin says,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: what a fool bring on the election? Whose poppy says?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Did I just hear that right? Did Albo just tell
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: the actual truth.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: For once in his political life?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Well no he didn't. Actually he got it all wrong.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining me. Up Next is Peter Kredlin.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow