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Safe and Effective: The Making of a Belief System | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: So so.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Jerm. This is Jerm Warfare, the battle
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  Speaker 2: of ideas. Sally Beck, thank you for joining me in
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  Speaker 2: the trenches.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I'm really looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. It's a small world, isn't it? You were on
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  Speaker 2: my show some time ago, and it just so happens
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  Speaker 2: that a friend of mine who doesn't live very far
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  Speaker 2: away from me also happens to know you.
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  Speaker 1: I know. It's such a small world. You know, such
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  Speaker 1: a small world and we're from different continents. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just incredible the six degrees of separation we found,
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  Speaker 1: especially discussing what we're about to discuss and what's been
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  Speaker 1: going on in the last six years. We all seem
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  Speaker 1: to walk up the side of the volcano and we're
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  Speaker 1: meeting at the rim.
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  Speaker 2: Can you believe that it's six years?
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  Speaker 1: No. Incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Six years.
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  Speaker 1: Gee. Yeah. We've learned that everything we probably ever knew
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  Speaker 1: was wrong. So we learned that everything we knew about
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  Speaker 1: the medical profession was wrong. Everything we knew about banking
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  Speaker 1: was wrong. A lot of the stuff we were taught
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  Speaker 1: in history is wrong. So much is wrong. We learned
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  Speaker 1: that governments just really don't care about us.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a blessing in disguise, the whole COVID thing.
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  Speaker 2: So it's an interesting dichotomy. On the one hand, it
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  Speaker 2: was a terrible event for so many reasons. And yet
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  Speaker 2: it was also an amazing event because it brought together
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  Speaker 2: people who otherwise would never have known about one another.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree with you on that. And we've made
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  Speaker 1: sort of allies for life. We've made whole new friendship groups.
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  Speaker 1: We have a common cause that binds us together. And...
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think it was a blessing in disguise.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a really positive experience in many ways, very
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  Speaker 1: negative experience in others, but very positive. There's been a
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  Speaker 1: silver lining.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got a new book, Emperor's New Clothes, How
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  Speaker 2: the COVID Jab Exposed 70 Years of Vaccine Industry. Injury. Injury.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, industry also works. Industry and injury.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But good Freudian slip there. Why
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  Speaker 1: 70 years? Because global vaccination programs came into different countries.
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  Speaker 1: So in the UK and the US, 70 years ago,
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  Speaker 1: vaccines have been around since the 18th century, sort of
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  Speaker 1: crude vaccines. But there was no global program. until 70
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  Speaker 1: years ago where children were routinely vaccinated in their first
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  Speaker 1: months of life.
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  Speaker 2: So your book's overarching theme, Sally, correct me if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 2: is that vaccine injury is not a modern glitch or
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  Speaker 2: even a discovery that we made during the COVID era,
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  Speaker 2: but shall we say a continuous discovery. 230-year-old pattern that
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  Speaker 2: the authorities have known about and have very cleverly managed
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  Speaker 2: through denial.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And despite the fact that you've always had doctors
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  Speaker 1: speaking out, going, you know, hold on a second. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what you're saying here, but this is not right.
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  Speaker 1: Most notably, Dr. Thomas Richard Allenson, we have a brand
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  Speaker 1: of flour in the UK called Allenson's Flour. And it's
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  Speaker 1: basically because this particular doctor prescribed fresh air, decent bread,
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  Speaker 1: and exercise for most ailments. But he learned about the
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  Speaker 1: smallpox vaccination. So he decided to, at a medical lecture,
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  Speaker 1: And he decided to vaccinate himself and he was utterly
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  Speaker 1: horrified at the results. It made him really, really sick.
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  Speaker 1: He said he was laid up for a while. So
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  Speaker 1: then he started to research properly and he found that
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  Speaker 1: the harshest epidemics came in the most highly vaccinated populations.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, you know, he knew cases. He said,
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  Speaker 1: just because you come into contact with somebody who has
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  Speaker 1: smallpox doesn't mean to say you're going to contract it.
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  Speaker 1: And he said he knew people that slept side by side.
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  Speaker 1: One got smallpox, the other one didn't. And he said
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  Speaker 1: when he was going into hospitals and seeing patients in
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  Speaker 1: hospitals with smallpox, he said pretty much they were all vaccinated.
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  Speaker 1: And his explanation for why doctors kept endorsing the vaccine
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  Speaker 1: was because of the money they were making out of it.
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  Speaker 1: So they started preying on people's fears. Obviously, back then,
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  Speaker 1: smallpox was very nasty and a killer disease. They preyed
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  Speaker 1: on people's fears. They persuaded people to get vaccinated. But
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  Speaker 1: really behind it was money. And he said that very,
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  Speaker 1: he's got a lovely phrase. He says something like, if
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  Speaker 1: doctors thought they could make money out of it in
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  Speaker 1: preventing measles, they would say, shoot at the moon, basically.
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  Speaker 1: The phrase was, shoot at the moon. And he said,
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  Speaker 1: if doctors thought they would make money out of saying that,
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  Speaker 1: they would absolutely tell patients, shoot at the moon and
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  Speaker 1: you won't get measles. Thanks for the sixpence, which it
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  Speaker 1: would have been in those days. Or if it was
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  Speaker 1: a rich patient, a five pound note. So that's where
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  Speaker 1: he stood on vaccination. And also there was the Leicester Rebellion. Leicester,
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  Speaker 1: the town in England, they were a heavily vaccinated town.
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  Speaker 1: They got the worst epidemic of smallpox and the government
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  Speaker 1: were mandating the smallpox vaccine, a bit like with the
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  Speaker 1: COVID vaccine. Parents were going to prison for refusing to
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  Speaker 1: And Lester said, you know what, we don't need government intervention.
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  Speaker 1: We know how to deal with an infectious disease outbreak,
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  Speaker 1: quarantine the patient, keep them warm, make sure they have
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  Speaker 1: food and water, make sure the hygiene is good surrounding
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  Speaker 1: the patient, burn any infected bedding. And that's how they
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  Speaker 1: dealt with it. And it was a really big deal.
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  Speaker 1: protest in Leicester. I can't give you the exact number
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  Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but it was thousands
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  Speaker 1: of people took to the street to protest against vaccine mandates.
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  Speaker 1: So that was smallpox. Then the next big one we
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  Speaker 1: had was polio. And it was 1955. So the polio
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  Speaker 1: vaccine used to be a live vaccine. And they worked
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  Speaker 1: out that it was causing The live vaccine was causing polio.
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  Speaker 1: So Qatar laboratories were tasked with inactivating the polio virus.
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  Speaker 1: They messed up. This vaccine was given to 55,000 children.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it was something like 4,000 caught polio.
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  Speaker 1: I can give you the exact numbers if you want.
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  Speaker 1: Give me a second. So, trials began in 1954 and
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  Speaker 1: involved 1.3 million children. Rollout was the following year, 1955,
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  Speaker 1: resulted in 40,000 children becoming infected with polio. 210 were
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  Speaker 1: paralyzed or partly paralyzed and 10 died. And those figures
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  Speaker 1: included cases of people who caught polio through shedding. So
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  Speaker 1: that was the next big. scandal. The one after that,
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  Speaker 1: I think, was DTP, followed by swine flu, measles, MMR,
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  Speaker 1: rather than measles, and COVID. So there were other scandals
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  Speaker 1: in between, but those are the most notable one. But
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  Speaker 1: the response has always been the same. Government will move
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  Speaker 1: to shut down dissent, whether it's parents or doctors. So
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  Speaker 1: it was 1963 in the UK when Rosemary Fox took
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  Speaker 1: her daughter, Helen, for her polio vaccine, which we used
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  Speaker 1: to receive on a sugar lump. It was a live
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  Speaker 1: vaccine on a sugar lump. And Helen developed convulsions. She
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  Speaker 1: received a brain injury and she never developed beyond the
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  Speaker 1: age of 11. You know, she never developed more than that.
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  Speaker 1: Rosemary and her family, you know, were a typical family,
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  Speaker 1: a really good family, took the government's advice, listened to authorities.
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  Speaker 1: And when Rosemary went to the authorities and said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: look what's happened to my child, we should make people
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  Speaker 1: aware of this. They moved to shut her down and
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  Speaker 1: they told her to keep quiet because she would damage
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  Speaker 1: the vaccine program. She started a campaign which 600 families joined. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you bear in mind that at the time there
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  Speaker 1: was no internet, we just had telephones and newspapers. So
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  Speaker 1: 600 families joined this campaign and it took 27 years
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  Speaker 1: to with the support of MPs and newspapers before the
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  Speaker 1: government said, okay, we'll set up the vaccine damage payment scheme.
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  Speaker 1: And the criteria back then, you had to prove that
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  Speaker 1: the claimant was 80% disabled. And the payment, if you
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  Speaker 1: managed to reach that threshold was 10,000 pounds. That didn't
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  Speaker 1: happen until 1979. 1979. And the vaccine program had come
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  Speaker 1: in in the UK around about 1959. So it was
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  Speaker 1: a long haul.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so Sally, your book is about the Emperor's New
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  Speaker 2: Clothes fairy tale. But you use the... The COVID jab
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  Speaker 2: as a catalyst, why the COVID era?
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  Speaker 1: Because adults were receiving en masse the COVID vaccination and
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  Speaker 1: many were sustaining injuries. And so many people thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: they've told me this is safe and effective and I'm injured.
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  Speaker 1: And now they're denying that I'm injured. I know my
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  Speaker 1: child wasn't the same after their MMR vaccination or their DTP.
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  Speaker 1: And it woke people up to looking into charter vaccination
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  Speaker 1: and travel vaccines. Actually, we've just had one withdrawn in
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  Speaker 1: the UK. It's unpronounceable, but it starts with chim. I
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  Speaker 1: think you probably know better than me what that one is.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mosquito-borne, but it's been withdrawn for causing deaths
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  Speaker 1: in the UK. That's happened in the last month. so
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  Speaker 1: it was the COVID vaccine that acted as a catalyst
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  Speaker 1: and made people start questioning. So I wrote the book
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  Speaker 1: as a sort of factual history on vaccination and for
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  Speaker 1: parents who really wanted to know, well, how safe are vaccines?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I keep hearing all the time that the
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  Speaker 1: MMR isn't good, but my doctor tells me it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard that, you know, um, the DTP can cause seizures.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard that my friend's child died of SIDS not
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  Speaker 1: long after receiving their vaccines. And this book is to
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  Speaker 1: put together all the facts and figures and how those
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  Speaker 1: conversations began and what actually is the evidence behind those conversations.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really to start a debate. It's to start
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  Speaker 1: a debate with your GP if you want. It's to
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  Speaker 1: have a debate with family and It's so that people
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  Speaker 1: have the facts and figures at their fingertips when they
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  Speaker 1: want to start discussing vaccination. Because obviously it's very hard
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  Speaker 1: to get, you know, Google suppresses it. You can go
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  Speaker 1: to libraries, but, you know, people just don't do that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Chat GPT is quite good, but it will always tell you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it will always try and dismiss vaccine injury.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I wrote the book and that's why
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  Speaker 1: it's called Empress New Clothes. And also really Empress New
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  Speaker 1: Clothes because by the time we were en masse as
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  Speaker 1: children receiving vaccines in the late 50s, early 60s, infectious
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  Speaker 1: disease figures had reduced by 98% in the US, deaths
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  Speaker 1: from infectious disease, 98% in the US and 99% in
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  Speaker 1: the UK with no intervention whatsoever or no en masse intervention.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, in 1941, the US magazine Life, I'll
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  Speaker 1: get you the exact quote, hang on. It's really important, this.
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  Speaker 1: So Life magazine reported, we have reduced death from principal
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  Speaker 1: communicable diseases of childhood, measles, scarlet fever, whooping cough, diphtheria,
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  Speaker 1: to a new record low, a point actually promising complete
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  Speaker 1: eradication of these diseases. Now, vaccines weren't available en masse.
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  Speaker 1: Antibiotics weren't available. en masse until the mid-1940s. So all
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  Speaker 1: that had happened without medical intervention. And the intervention was
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  Speaker 1: better hygiene, proper sewage systems, better healthcare, better food, cleaner water.
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  Speaker 1: And if you listen to the kind of healthcare that
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  Speaker 1: was available when these diseases were rife, hang on, I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you, it's utterly horrifying. So 1725, for example,
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  Speaker 1: One favorite remedy for Quincy was powder of burnt owl,
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  Speaker 1: burnt swallows, cat's brains, dried and powdered blood of white
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  Speaker 1: puppy dogs. For colic, wolf's guts, dried and powdered old
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  Speaker 1: man's urine, sheep excrement. So this is what was passing
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  Speaker 1: for health care. They had, food was scarce and poor quality.
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  Speaker 1: This was written in 1836. In France, beggars are numerous.
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  Speaker 1: People die of hunger. In Canada, during the winter, many
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  Speaker 1: are starved to death. In Buenos Aires, numbers live off offals, waste.
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  Speaker 1: In Upper Peru, the natives eat animals that die of disease.
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  Speaker 1: The Chinese do the same. In Norway and Sweden, people
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  Speaker 1: mix their bread with sawdust. overcrowding was rife talking about
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  Speaker 1: smallpox a health office have found six children between two
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  Speaker 1: and seventeen suffering from smallpox in a one-room dwelling shared
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  Speaker 1: with their parents an elder brother and an uncle they
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  Speaker 1: slept together on rags on the floor with no bed
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  Speaker 1: Millions of similar cases could be cited with conditions getting
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  Speaker 1: even worse as diseased victims and their corpses remained rotting
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  Speaker 1: among families in single-room accommodations for days as the families
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  Speaker 1: scraped together pennies to bury them. So that's just an
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  Speaker 1: insight because, you know, you probably have heard before, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we had better food, better food. housing, better health care.
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  Speaker 1: But that really gives you a picture of what that
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  Speaker 1: actually looked like. You know, what food were people eating?
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  Speaker 1: What was their accommodation like? What was health care like?
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  Speaker 1: I think cows in New York were fed on whiskey slops.
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  Speaker 1: They were covered in sores and that milk was being
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  Speaker 1: given to children. And those milk traders were guilty of
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  Speaker 1: killing 8,000 children. So the picture is very different to
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  Speaker 1: the one that has been offered to us.
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  Speaker 2: In your book, correct me if I'm wrong, you warn
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  Speaker 2: about studies that compare vaccinated children to unvaccinated children.
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  Speaker 1: Why? Because the unvaccinated children always come out healthier in
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  Speaker 1: proper vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies. So the Henry Ford Health System,
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  Speaker 1: highly respected in the U.S., they conducted a Vax versus
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  Speaker 1: Unvax study between 2016 and 2020. When they got the results,
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  Speaker 1: they refused to publish the results. And that is because,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you the exact reason. So, well, firstly, this
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  Speaker 1: is really important. So there's a doctor called Dr. Sylvia Fogel.
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  Speaker 1: She's a clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School. When she
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  Speaker 1: reviewed the Henry Ford study, which of course they will
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  Speaker 1: try and dismiss, despite the fact it hasn't been published,
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  Speaker 1: she reviewed it and she described it as robust, as
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  Speaker 1: it should be coming from Henry Ford. She said she
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  Speaker 1: was moved to tears. And her exact quote was, this
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  Speaker 1: is a devastating commentary on our health intervention. We are
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  Speaker 1: systematically making kids sick and not just a little bit sick,
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  Speaker 1: very sick. And the numbers are really shocking. So they compared...
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  Speaker 1: So the data showed... that no unvaccinated children had developed diabetes.
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  Speaker 1: No unvaccinated children had ADHD behavioral issues or learning difficulties
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  Speaker 1: or tics. They found one child with autism in the
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  Speaker 1: unvaccinated group and 23 in the vaccinated group. And although
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  Speaker 1: there's far more vaccinated children in the vaccinated group. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: they added co-founders to even out the numbers. What they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't do was make a comparison of those things in
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  Speaker 1: the unvaccinated because there wasn't enough of them to make
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  Speaker 1: a comparison. That's just an interesting aside. Vaccinated children were
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  Speaker 1: four times more likely to develop asthma, three times more
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  Speaker 1: likely to suffer atopic disease such as food allergies, eczema
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  Speaker 1: and hay fever, six times the risk of developing autoimmune
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  Speaker 1: diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Guillain-Barre syndrome and lupus.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so these are really significant findings. And the
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  Speaker 1: head of the trial, Marcus Servos, a professor, Marcus Servos,
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  Speaker 1: who was division head of infectious diseases at Henry Ford,
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  Speaker 1: said he wasn't going to publish because he was... because
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  Speaker 1: although he was coming up for retirement, he said nothing
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  Speaker 1: good would come of it. He would just lose his
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  Speaker 1: reputation and his career. So he put his reputation and
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  Speaker 1: his career above the health of children.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder why, Sally, this whole vaccine narrative has become
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  Speaker 2: so cult-like, so dogmatic. I remember when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 2: we could talk about the annual flu shot, which I
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  Speaker 2: didn't ever get, but we could talk about it and
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  Speaker 2: nobody would really judge you one way or the other.
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  Speaker 2: It was just a talking point. Today, it's almost like
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  Speaker 2: a religion. You know, people get so defensive. You don't
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  Speaker 2: need to know that information about me. Why are you asking?
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  Speaker 2: That's not your place to know. You know, that kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing. It's a very strange thing. situation that we
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  Speaker 2: find ourselves in now when it comes to the word vaccine.
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  Speaker 2: It must be a consequence of an incredibly well-oiled propaganda
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  Speaker 2: indoctrination machinery over the years that has done this to people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that probably started in 1986 when President
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  Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan decided to indemnify the vaccine manufacturers because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were facing billions in lawsuits. And they said to Reagan, look,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're just going to have to withdraw from
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  Speaker 1: the market if you don't indemnify us. And for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: he agreed. But that began a sort of religious-like approach
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  Speaker 1: to vaccines. And the narrative is that, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you're not vaccinated, then you're not protecting granny. You're not
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  Speaker 1: protecting other people. Well, that's a nonsense because a vaccine
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  Speaker 1: is there to protect you and not other people. It's
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  Speaker 1: an utter nonsensical arguments. If the vaccine works, your next
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  Speaker 1: door neighbor has nothing to worry about. But there's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Big Pharma has billions to crush narratives like this and
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  Speaker 1: crush questions. And we've seen what has happened to doctors
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  Speaker 1: who decided to speak out, starting with the Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with Andrew Wakefield. I'm sure he wasn't the first. He
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  Speaker 1: wasn't because Thomas Richard Allenson was the first. He was
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  Speaker 1: struck off for questioning vaccination back in 18-whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: But let's start with Andrew Wakefield back in 2010 who
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  Speaker 1: questioned the MMR vaccine. And, you know, doctors have been
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  Speaker 1: very happy to push this narrative that And to go
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  Speaker 1: along with the narrative that's prescribed for them to push.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why it's become so difficult to question. Because
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  Speaker 1: you're seen as potentially harming humanity if you ask these questions.
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  Speaker 2: The weird thing about Andrew Wakefield is.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't do anything wrong. I mean, if anybody has
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  Speaker 2: gone and looked at his paper, the big one, right,
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  Speaker 2: the actual conclusion is so mediocre. It even says more
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  Speaker 2: research is required. And he was absolutely obliterated by the
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  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical industry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, okay, so where to start with this? So
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  Speaker 1: behind the MMR are many high profile people staking their reputations.
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  Speaker 1: So the head of vaccination in the UK, for example,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the one who recommended that the MMR vaccination
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  Speaker 1: should be introduced. So he's got his reputation to defend.
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  Speaker 1: The government are the ones who have endorsed it. So
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  Speaker 1: if they then say, do you know what, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: should listen to Wakefield, maybe we should go back to
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  Speaker 1: using single vaccines and we should let him continue his investigations.
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  Speaker 1: So say his investigations come up, oh yeah, you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: MMR is clearly causing autism. It's also causing ADHD and
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: many other behavioral issues like Tourette's and tics and learning difficulties.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: What does that financially look like to a government? It
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: looks like bankruptcy. So that's why they absolutely had to
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: crush him at all costs. At all costs. There was
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: no way they could let that narrative slip through. But
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: what was also interesting before, you know, him and his
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: team did a lot of work behind the scenes that
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: isn't even in that paper. So they got hold of
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the single measles vaccines studies that had been conducted by
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Big Pharma. And they discovered that they had tested the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: vaccine on what they described as idiots and imbeciles. And
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: by idiots and imbeciles, they're talking about Down syndrome children.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: um they discovered that a child died in the study
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and instead of taking that seriously they just replaced the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: child so there was a lot of smoke and mirrors
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: going on with studies um you know way back in
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the 50s 60s and uh you know wakefield had reviewed
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: all that and shared that with his team And they
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: were very circumspect about what they put in that study.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And they quite rightly said, we need to do more research.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: But when they tried to do that research, so what
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: they were looking for is measles virus vaccine that had
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: settled in the guts of children who then became autistic.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: And the government's argument or David Salisbury's argument was that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you know, what happens in the gut can't affect what
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: goes on in your brain. And Wakefield replied, well, let's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: go out for a beer and discuss that. So we
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: know that if we drink alcohol, it immediately affects what
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: goes on in our brain. We know that. But when
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: they tried to do that research, The lab in Ireland
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: where they were doing the research was raided by the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: police and equipment and notes and all sorts of stuff
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: was taken away. And the guy in charge of the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: lab quite rightly said, you know, I just can't risk
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: going ahead with that. So that was one way to
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: shut down the experiment or the investigations that they wanted
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to do. And then they went after Wakefield's reputation. And
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: no one, having heard the evidence, could quite believe that
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: he was convicted of what he was convicted of or
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: he was found guilty of what he was accused of
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't a criminal court. It was the GMC-MPTS,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: the General Medical Council. who launched the investigation. And it
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: took them three years to get anything like the evidence
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: they thought they needed in order to achieve what they
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: wanted to do that was to have him struck off.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I wonder actually if, because all the authors were asked
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to retract that paper, but they were asked to retract
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the media's interpretation, and the media will always read between
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the lines. So however circumspect that information in the paper was,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the media read that as, okay, the MMR can cause autism.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: So they put all the figures together. It didn't say
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: that in the paper, but that's what the headlines said.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And so the authors of that paper were asked to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: retract that statement, but they'd never made it. But they
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: were told, you know, this is going to be pretty
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: bad for your career if you don't retract this. Three
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: of them didn't retract. One of them was Wakefield. Another author,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: they couldn't actually find him and get in contact with him.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: And another one of them refused. But mostly they all retracted.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: They all signed a retraction. And they weren't the ones
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: who ended up in... Well, actually, that's not quite true.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: They did end up in the GMC. But Wakefield said,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I can't retract something I've never said.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Quite rightly.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: The underlying theme here that you're alluding to is that
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: not just with Andrew, but with many others who have
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: been looking into vaccine science, a quote unquote science mandata
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: over the decades. You're talking about real people, right? With names, right?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: They've been harmed and they were told that they're imagining
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the harm. And then they have been left to fight
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: the system, which in itself is designed to protect itself,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: not the people. And I think that's something that often
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: gets missed in general discourse. People think that the pharmaceutical
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: industry cares about you, Sally. It cares about you. It
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: really cares about you. It wants you to be healthy. No,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: it doesn't. It's making a product and it wants you
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: to buy it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that might have been true way back when,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: but the minute... your pharmaceutical industries became public limited companies
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and they have shareholders who are demanding dividends they have
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to produce these blockbuster drugs at all costs and you
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: know drugs as you know are patented for a certain
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: length of time once that patent runs out um The
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: drug becomes very cheap. Anybody can make it. Anybody with
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: a lab who's got the recipe can make it. And
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: you as Pfizer or Sanofi or Glaxo or Merck don't
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: make big money off it anymore. But you've got this
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: huge organization that you need to service. So there's no
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: altruism left in drug production anymore. It's about where can
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: we make money? We know people will be harmed by
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: our products and we've seen that. If you take a
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: look at the violation tracker for Big Pharma, they've paid out,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's 128 billion in fines. Hang on, let
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: me get that. Let me get out the violation tracker.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: It says page not found. If you can get a
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: violation tracker up and look at pharmaceuticals, then you can
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: see the billions that Big Pharma have paid out in fines.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: And it's all for lying to us about the... efficacy
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: of various drugs. I think one of the most famous
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: ones is Vioxx. And it also illustrated how ruthless they
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: are because they said, they compiled a hit list of
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: doctors criticizing Vioxx. And in emails, one of them said,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: we may need to seek them out and destroy them
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: where they live. that was to prevent doctors exposing Vioxx,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: which was an arthritis drug, a painkiller, and it increased
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the risk of heart attacks. How much did they pay
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: out in compensation? 10.7 billion. Hang on.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: But to keep in mind, though, companies like Pfizer work
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: that in to their annual budgets. They know that they're
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: going to get sued. So for them, it's just another
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Wednesday for them.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's part of their business model. They work it
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: into their numbers and they have a very, very big
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: machine that very well oiled to kind of stop it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And we're seeing at the moment with a Zempic. And
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: we've seen how long these cases can take to resolve.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So look at thalidomide, for example, which was 50s, 60s.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Some of those victims have still not received the proper compensation.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: We've seen it with the blood bank scandal where people
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: were receiving HIV infected blood back in the 70s, that's
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: still not properly resolved. So what they hope is that
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: people die or give up or, you know, they just
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: eke it out for as long as they can. And
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: then by the time they finally pay out, most people
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: have forgotten about it or moved on to something else.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: So this is, you know, big pharma is a dangerous industry.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: And that's why Peter Gertcher likens it to the mafia.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: He's not the only one. Peter Gertcher, he started the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Cochrane Institute in the UK, which was a fantastic organization
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: set up to read all the studies and evaluate all
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the studies. And they did really well until they evaluated
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the studies on the flu vaccines and found it was
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: pretty much useless. And after that, whoever is behind the
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: scenes went after the Cochrane Institute and Peter Gertrude had
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: to resign. And now Cochrane is a shadow of the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: great organization that used to be. So, you know, this
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: is what happens time and time again. And it won't
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: be until the consumer says no more that anything changes.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Because if they can't sell us their products, then they've
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: got no business. And I'll tell you something really heartening.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Revenue for Big Pharma during COVID was 9.8%. Revenue for
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: wellness during COVID was 6.8 trillion. Pharma increased their market
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: share by 15% during COVID and wellness increased their market
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: share by 24% during COVID. So there's literally not much
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: in it, frankly. There's really not that much in it anymore.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: So people have woken up. But, you know, the thing
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: about pharma is they have persuaded all governments that they
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: should be a monopoly on health care. And governments have
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: gone with that because, who knows, laziness. But they've just
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: gone with it. So that's why we have the health
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: care system that we have. But in the UK, for example,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: our NHS is simply overwhelmed. And that's just because what
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: they're offering doesn't really work.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I like that you mentioned people have woken up. And
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, that ties directly into the cover of your
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: book with the emperor, the metaphor, and the fact that
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: he's not wearing any clothes. And look, I must be honest.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: was one of those who was shouting that he has
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: no clothes. And I think you also, but we were
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: in the minority enough. And I know there's no real
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: answer to this, but I'm going to ask you anyway.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Why do you think some of us saw that he
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: had no clothes and so many others just kept shouting
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: about how beautiful these clothes are?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I just don't know. I mean, some people are incredibly
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: trusting and I see that now. You know, people trust
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the system. Maybe people like us who are not so
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: trusting of the system because we've had bad experiences with
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the system for whatever reason, then start to question a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: lot more. But most people trust the system. And that's
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: why you don't get, you know, you go to the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: doctor and The doctor is God, and our parents' grandparents
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: really trusted the doctor. Us, not so much.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I used the word beautiful there because that was the
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: word that Trump used. He called it the beautiful vaccine,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: very disappointingly. That also annoys me because here you have
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: powerful world leaders who are great on some talking points
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: and then completely trip up with something like this. And
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: like a Pied Piper, there's another metaphor, they pull in
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: millions of people back into their little bubble.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And Trump was aware, you know, before his
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: first term in 2016, that there was a question over vaccines.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: And two things happened. He pledged that he was going
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to do a vax versus unvax study. And Bill Gates said,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and you can find this recording somewhere, Bill Gates said, no,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't do that. And I think one of the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies gave him a very healthy donation. And so
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: he was felt, who knows what his thinking was, but
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: he took the money and the study didn't go ahead.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: But he is aware and he's very aware. He's spoken
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: at length to Andy Wakefield, for sure.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Do you think that this momentum will continue of people
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: waking up? Or do you think everyone's going to go
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: back into their slumber again?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I think we have seen how, since COVID, they've tried
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: to persuade us to get vaccinations for monkeypox. Uh, Ebola,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the plague, all sorts of things. And I think the cues.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: The Russian plague, which now everybody has forgotten about.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And I don't think the cues have been that impressive.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I really don't think the cues have been
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: that impressive. So... Bill Gates keeps saying, oh, there'll be
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: another big pandemic and, you know, they're threatening. And we
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: know that we're aware of this 2030 deadline for a
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: great reset. We just don't really know what's coming around
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the corner. But they also will be aware that COVID
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: vaccination did not prevent you from catching COVID. And it
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: didn't prevent you from transmitting it either. So there are
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: still people who will defend the COVID vaccine until their
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: dying day and keep having the jabs. But it is
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: a belief. They believe in vaccination. They haven't seen the proof.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: because there is no proof that vaccines do what they
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: say they're supposed to do. There's none. There's no double-blind
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: placebo-controlled trial, as you probably know.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Look, the scientific process is very clearly broken, and it
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: has been broken for a long time now. In your opinion,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: if science had been allowed to run its course, Regarding vaccines,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: where do you think we'd be today?
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I think vaccines, we wouldn't have any vaccines. If people
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: had properly looked at the science and the numbers and the,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you know, but what they tell doctors, for example, we
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: have a vaccination Bible called the Green Book produced by
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the NHS. And if you look in the Green Book,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: at how measles deaths and cases have reduced since the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: vaccine was introduced, they only take you back to 1955.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And so it looks all quite impressive. But if you
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: go back to when the records began, we've got measles
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: case deaths here and they drop down to here. And
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: this is where they bring in the vaccine. And so
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: it's quite clear that the vaccine has had nothing to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: do with reducing those deaths. So if that information was
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: allowed to be seen, and it's not, vaccines would just
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: have fizzled out. If people were taught by their doctors
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: on how to maintain their health properly, rather than thinking, oh,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: if I just take a little pill, I'll get better, which...
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: You know, pills aren't designed to make you better. They're
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: designed to control your symptoms, not to cure you. We'd
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: be looking at a very different healthcare system.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, and those data points that you're talking about were
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: also highlighted in Dissolving Illusions, co-authored by Roman Bastianik and
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Suzanne Humphreys.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I have their books, the main book as well as
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the addendum book, which has all the data in it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: It is absolutely brilliant. It is what changed me and
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: my wife significantly. The other one is Turtles All the
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Way Down. Who's the author now? It is Mary Holland,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Is it Mary Holland? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think so.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Also a great book.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Vaccines.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: So your book now dovetails all of those.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yes. And there's some of the data from Roman and
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Suzanne in my book, for sure. Because obviously I'm a journalist.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist. so yeah there's some data from
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: their book in my book there's another book also Vaccines
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Are Men written by Aaron Siri and he goes in
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: to explain why vaccines are a religion and Aaron is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the one who deposed Stanley Plotkin. So Stanley Plotkin has
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: written the vaccine Bible for all doctors. And Aaron Siri
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: deposed him and had him on a stand for eight
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: or nine hours. And he was just annihilated. The whole
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: recording of that is available. I don't know if you've
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: managed to speak to Aaron Siri, but he... is definitely
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: one you should speak to if you can.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Definitely, and I appreciate that suggestion. You know, we were
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: chatting to friends not so long ago who had a child,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: and one of the parents was telling me that they
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: actually were not comfortable with the idea of their newborn
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: getting injected, but the doctors kind of scared them into it. Well,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't want your kid to die, you know.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: And so then they succumb to it. And we didn't.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And the sad thing is, for me, is all you
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: have to do is just take a step back. You
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: don't need to know any of the science. Just think
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: about something really obvious. There's your child. Is anything wrong
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: with your child?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: No.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: So why are you putting a needle into its arm?
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I know. And we understand organic food is better for
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: us that's produced without chemicals. there's a barrier between accepting, okay,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: it's fine to put a whole cocktail of chemicals into
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a two-month-old baby's arm. It makes no logical sense when
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: you think about it at all. But it's the fear factor.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: And parents also do not have the experience. of caring
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: for sick children. So one of the things that you
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: have to do if you make the decision not to
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: vaccinate your child is to know what you need to
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: do if your child gets whooping cough or if your
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: child does get measles. I mean, I'm aware of a
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: family who had smallpox, and I can tell you it's
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: a very, very different disease today than it might have
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: been back in the 18th century, 18th, 19th centuries. It's
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: not nice, but it just, you know, you get horrible, fat,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: pussy boils, but they go. And actually, the treatment for
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: that is.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Calendula soap or baby wash. It's just that simple. And
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: there's a doctor called Dr. Jane Donegan in the UK,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: and she's done a lot to promote how you care
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: for your sick child. You know, what's the best way
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: to look after a child when it's sick? Because parents
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: are scared. They are particularly scared of measles. because they
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: hear it can cause encephalitis. They hear it can cause
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: subsclerosing panencephalitis, which is an incurable, degenerative, neurological disease. But
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: so can the vaccine cause those things. And quite often
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: you will hear of parents who took their child to
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: be vaccinated and And their child let out a blood
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: curdling scream. And it's a scream they're not familiar with.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: They've never heard this scream before. And their back arches
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: and clearly something bad has happened. And then they become
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: inconsolable or, you know, they might. sleep for an unusual
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: length of time. And then, you know, when things calm down,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: their child isn't the same again. And that's because that
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: scream is encephalitis, as Jane Donegan will tell you. The
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: child is developing encephalitis. This cocktail has gone through the
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: blood-brain barrier and is causing inflammation of the brain tissue.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Or the brain meninges, I should say.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, Sally, I don't have a physical copy of your
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: book yet and I plan to get a physical copy soon.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I do have a digital copy of it. Now, how
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: can those listening get either?
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: It's available on Amazon. It's published on Friday the 30th.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: So it's available to pre-order. it got to number one
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: in pharmacology on Kindle. Um, the paperback has only just
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: been made available for pre-order, but that's going up, inching
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: up the charts. So you can order it through Amazon
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: in the UK. You'll be able to get it in bookshops. Um,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I will keep, I will let you know if it
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: becomes available in, in paperback in other countries. Um, That'll
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: be up to the publishers. Published by Free Speech Press.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: So it's not a self-published book. It actually does have
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: a publisher. Okay.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: And how can I follow you elsewhere?
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter. I'm Beck underscore Sal on Twitter.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: On Instagram, I'm Beck dot Sal, I think. But I'm
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. I'm not on TikTok. I've got
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: a LinkedIn page. That's about it.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Just before we go, I want to point out something
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: that we didn't mention in the conversation, but the CDC
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: quietly changed the definition of vaccine during the COVID era.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Before COVID... In the good old days, B.C., before COVID,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: vaccine meant to create, essentially to create immunity. Now it
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: means to reduce severity, which is hilarious because just living
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: a good life can reduce severity of COVID.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Just, you know, eat better, sleep better, enjoy your friends,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: go outside in the sun. You don't need an injection
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: in the arm for anything.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: No, exactly. Really, you don't. And, you know, when people
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: find out what is in those injections, and this has
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: been known since … the early 2000s for example that
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: after the Simpson would conference aluminium mercury I mean these
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: are neurotoxins they're no neurotoxins but we're told oh no
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: that's fine but it's not something we're ingesting that can
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: be killed by the stomach acid this is something that's
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: directed in into your bloodstream and go straight to the
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: major organs straight to your major organs with going through
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: none of the defenses that you would normally uh put
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: up against those kind of toxins and um they know
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: they know they know from the studies that uh there
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: will be um collateral damage or you know serious casualties
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: they knew in the covid studies that there were serious
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: injuries occurring um and they just figure well they they
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: justify it by saying oh you know it's for the
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: greater good but it's not it's it's russian roulette they're
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: asking us to play and they're asking us to play
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  Speaker 1: russian roulette with our children's health.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, actually, yeah, and the point that you're making is
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: very good actually, it's very valid because I had that
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: conversation about a week ago with somebody who was arguing, oh,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: but if you drink alcohol, it's also a toxin. Sure,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: it is. However, you have something called the liver and
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: your body is designed to filter out things that it
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: doesn't want. So obviously, if you drink too much alcohol, sure,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: that's not a good thing. But if you drink a
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: little bit of alcohol, your body does a pretty good
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: job at filtering out those toxins. An injection in the
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: arm bypasses all of that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Quite exactly that. And... You know, that's why you get
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: instant reactions to vaccines. I mean, you don't get instant
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: reactions to alcohol. There's a bit of time delay. You
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: are also aware what effects that alcohol is having on you.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: And no one's going to tell you if you threw
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: up or you blacked out afterwards. after binging on alcohol
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't the alcohol um but for some for
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: some reason they they will tell you that about vaccines
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: um i just want to get you up another little
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: statistic which is really useful um Okay, so we didn't
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: talk about SIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, but there's some
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: very interesting vaccines. 75% of all SIDS cases reported to
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: VAERS occurred within one week of vaccination. 51% occurred within
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: three days of vaccination and 13% occurred within 24 hours
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: of vaccination. And that's very similar to the study that
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Vera Schreibner did in the 1980s, when she and her
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: husband invented an apnea monitor and connected babies up to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the apnea monitor and they found that before they had
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: their vaccinations no apnea and they found exactly those statistics
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: after they had their vaccinations and it took months for
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: them to get back to baseline babies to get back
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: to baseline.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: With that in mind i'll just say uh sally beck
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: thank you for joining me in the trenches
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much jem it was really nice to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: see you again