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- 0:10Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy the Show with your hosts Adam Todd
- 0:16Speaker 1: Brown and Condor Mixed Pattern.
- 0:30Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I still have
- 0:35Speaker 2: gum in my mouth. How fucking gross is that? That
- 0:37Speaker 2: was not the plan when I set out to introduce
- 0:40Speaker 2: this podcast, But here we are. I have a guest today,
- 0:43Speaker 2: Physical Sony.
- 0:44Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me.
- 0:46Speaker 2: Tell the people a little about yourself. You were on
- 0:48Speaker 2: an unpopular Opinion before, but you've never been on this podcast.
- 0:51Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is sort of I'm into this stuff.
- 0:55Speaker 3: So I was.
- 0:55Speaker 4: I was honored and excited when you asked me to
- 0:58Speaker 4: join today. I'm a comedian as well and an app development.
- 1:03Speaker 4: You'd have to listen to the outtakes I think to
- 1:05Speaker 4: take you get that reference if you even post it.
- 1:08Speaker 2: We were I think that was a I think that'll
- 1:10Speaker 2: go in the outtakes.
- 1:11Speaker 4: Okay, So if you want to be privy to that
- 1:14Speaker 4: inside joke, do you have to pay more money?
- 1:17Speaker 2: Yeah? It's a Patreon only thing.
- 1:19Speaker 3: Okay. Do I get a cut?
- 1:20Speaker 5: Damp?
- 1:22Speaker 2: You get a percentage of every time that episode's downloaded.
- 1:24Speaker 3: But yeah, So I'm a comic.
- 1:28Speaker 4: I created a comedy brand called Facial Recognition Comedy, which
- 1:32Speaker 4: I run with some great women other comedians as well,
- 1:36Speaker 4: and it's a national tour, a weekly podcast, and that's
- 1:41Speaker 4: a great stand up show.
- 1:43Speaker 2: I have heard good things. I've never seen it. It's
- 1:45Speaker 2: on the West Side. Yeah, a helicopter there.
- 1:49Speaker 4: Well, I mean, after we've we've forged that app situation,
- 1:52Speaker 4: now sure, yeah, we'll we'll have options.
- 1:54Speaker 2: Right, So we're talking about a thing that actually came
- 1:58Speaker 2: up on the episode of Popular Opinions that you were on.
- 2:02Speaker 2: We talked about aliens, which that shouldn't surprise anyone. I
- 2:06Speaker 2: talk about aliens all the time, but you brought up
- 2:09Speaker 2: the idea that government should have to disclose what kind
- 2:13Speaker 2: of countries or what kind of alien technologies they've Yeah.
- 2:18Speaker 4: You know, I think because we were supposed to come
- 2:20Speaker 4: in with unpopular opinions, and you know, obviously everyone had
- 2:24Speaker 4: to suspend disbelief and accept their aliens to.
- 2:27Speaker 3: Oh not here here my opinion, Yeah, not here. Everyone
- 2:30Speaker 3: was sort of into it, except I think.
- 2:32Speaker 2: Ethan Stanislavsky was being a huge bummer about it.
- 2:35Speaker 3: Well that's good. I like diversity of thought and opinion,
- 2:38Speaker 3: so thank you, Ethan. But yeah, it's my opinion.
- 2:42Speaker 4: Was the government should disclose its history with you know,
- 2:49Speaker 4: extraterrestrial life forms, right, and that includes the suppression of
- 2:56Speaker 4: free energy energy.
- 3:00Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about. Yeah, the idea that the
- 3:03Speaker 2: government is hiding free energy sources from us. And this
- 3:08Speaker 2: is one that had I done this episode, maybe even
- 3:12Speaker 2: just a year ago, and probably I feel like a
- 3:15Speaker 2: year ago, i'd still have the same stance. Maybe two
- 3:18Speaker 2: years ago, I'd probably think this idea was a little
- 3:20Speaker 2: more outlandish than I do now. Now I just kind
- 3:23Speaker 2: of buy it.
- 3:24Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's the people who shut this
- 3:27Speaker 3: stuff down.
- 3:28Speaker 4: Just you know, I like skeptics, be skeptical about everything,
- 3:32Speaker 4: question everything, but just you know, consider it. Yeah, you know,
- 3:36Speaker 4: there's people have an interest to shut this stuff down.
- 3:39Speaker 4: It would completely empower people, right, Yeah, do people in
- 3:44Speaker 4: power want the people empowered?
- 3:47Speaker 2: Right?
- 3:48Speaker 4: I never did that, That is that was I just
- 3:51Speaker 4: channeled that freestyling.
- 3:53Speaker 3: Yeah, freestyling for real.
- 3:55Speaker 4: But so it's I think it's worth considering. And when
- 3:59Speaker 4: there's smoke, there's fire.
- 4:01Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, there's there are a lot of resources
- 4:05Speaker 2: and documentaries and books and things out there. We'll talk
- 4:09Speaker 2: about a few of them on the episode. Last week,
- 4:12Speaker 2: we talked about what we'll do if when aliens inevitably land.
- 4:17Speaker 2: That was last week's topic.
- 4:20Speaker 4: Well publicly because and then also it's like what type
- 4:23Speaker 4: of alien, because it's is it, you know, extraterrestrial or
- 4:27Speaker 4: is it interdimensional?
- 4:28Speaker 3: Interntime?
- 4:30Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and if it's interdimensional, they can appear
- 4:34Speaker 4: and you know, they're beyond what like matter, since beyond
- 4:37Speaker 4: matter you can sort of appear how you want to appear,
- 4:38Speaker 4: you know.
- 4:39Speaker 2: Make sure you on that episode too.
- 4:41Speaker 3: I look, I love this stuff.
- 4:42Speaker 4: I can I'm happy to come back anytime. You're happy
- 4:45Speaker 4: to chit chat with me anyway.
- 4:48Speaker 3: Uh.
- 4:49Speaker 2: But yeah, and the the reason we're talking about all
- 4:52Speaker 2: this again we just released publicly for the first time.
- 4:56Speaker 2: Don't tell the government we uh, we had recorded an
- 4:59Speaker 2: episode in January twenty eighteen, because I'm sure you remember this.
- 5:04Speaker 2: In October twenty seventeen, somewhere around then, the New York
- 5:08Speaker 2: Times released this article about all these UFA, these navy pilots.
- 5:13Speaker 4: And it kind of went under the radar because everyone's
- 5:15Speaker 4: freaking out about some crazy stuff that Trump did.
- 5:17Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if this was if this is
- 5:20Speaker 2: some sort of government plot where they're like, all right,
- 5:24Speaker 2: this is the time to pull the trigger. We're telling
- 5:26Speaker 2: everyone about aliens. I feel like the people planning that
- 5:29Speaker 2: didn't expect Trump to be in office, and they tried
- 5:32Speaker 2: it in October and we're like, fuck, nobody cares because
- 5:35Speaker 2: that's what it cares.
- 5:36Speaker 4: That's crazy, And you know what, I feel like they've
- 5:38Speaker 4: been you know, I don't know what's going on, and
- 5:41Speaker 4: I don't you know, want to automatically just go to
- 5:44Speaker 4: the worst possible scenario, like, yeah, they're suppressing it, but
- 5:46Speaker 4: make maybe something happen, and they.
- 5:48Speaker 3: For whatever reason.
- 5:50Speaker 4: I mean, there's how many series on mainstream like networks
- 5:55Speaker 4: are there about aliens ancient aliens, right, you know, I
- 5:58Speaker 4: think we're being eased into it sort of what it
- 6:00Speaker 4: feels like for me.
- 6:01Speaker 2: Also, Yeah, and that's that's been a pretty long running
- 6:05Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, and we'll actually get to it at the
- 6:08Speaker 2: end of this. I'm gonna end this with a doozy
- 6:11Speaker 2: of a theory, but it's not it's not my own theory.
- 6:13Speaker 2: It's one that other people have proposed. There's there's so
- 6:16Speaker 2: many different examples of UFO, like not I would call
- 6:21Speaker 2: it evidence videos, Yeah, things we've seen. But then also
- 6:24Speaker 2: all these movies, all this pop cultures secret and it
- 6:28Speaker 2: feels like a like a The way it's been described
- 6:31Speaker 2: in other conspiracy theories is it's sort of softening the
- 6:34Speaker 2: public up for yeah, eventually introducing something to us. And
- 6:40Speaker 2: the idea there is it. I think the conspiracy theory
- 6:45Speaker 2: that we'll get to at the end is is it
- 6:47Speaker 2: that aliens are real or is it that the government
- 6:50Speaker 2: is going to try and convince us we are under
- 6:53Speaker 2: attack from aliens as part of a bigger agenda to
- 6:56Speaker 2: pull off something else.
- 6:58Speaker 3: Well, interestingly enough, I think both.
- 7:02Speaker 4: I think it might there might be a propaganda campaign
- 7:06Speaker 4: for whatever reason, because governments fear based. Fear based tactics
- 7:12Speaker 4: are effective and efficient, so you know, I can't see
- 7:16Speaker 4: them stop using you know, that way. But like you know,
- 7:20Speaker 4: I've been watching and I think we're going to get
- 7:22Speaker 4: into this a little bit later, but a lot of
- 7:24Speaker 4: doctor Stephen Greer stuff, and he is very uh he's
- 7:28Speaker 4: the one who's insistent that aliens, most aliens are here
- 7:33Speaker 4: for the betterment, right yeah, and that there is a
- 7:36Speaker 4: lot of propaganda as well.
- 7:38Speaker 2: And that the things already that they have brought that
- 7:42Speaker 2: would make society better are, among other things, what we're
- 7:45Speaker 2: talking about today, like things that would just give us
- 7:48Speaker 2: all free energy.
- 7:49Speaker 4: And everyone would you'd basically no one would be a
- 7:50Speaker 4: slave to anybody, right if you could power all your
- 7:53Speaker 4: own stuff.
- 7:55Speaker 2: Right and there are like you'd be and.
- 7:58Speaker 4: He's brought you know, very broad statement, but it would.
- 8:02Speaker 4: It would change life as we know it.
- 8:04Speaker 2: And you'd be kind of silly to assume that the
- 8:08Speaker 2: interests that control fossil fuels right now wouldn't have some
- 8:12Speaker 2: vested interest in shutting stuff like that down like we have.
- 8:15Speaker 2: Well we'll talk about in a minute some like historical
- 8:19Speaker 2: examples of that actually happened.
- 8:21Speaker 3: Oh my god, all all the time. It's just it's
- 8:24Speaker 3: the whole conservative thing.
- 8:25Speaker 4: You're just holding on to the past with your teeth
- 8:28Speaker 4: because it serves you. You don't care about the greater
- 8:31Speaker 4: good or the better man. It's just like, well, you know,
- 8:34Speaker 4: I want to keep my wealth, yeah, and this is
- 8:37Speaker 4: going to be.
- 8:37Speaker 3: Bad for business, right and I'm in the yeah.
- 8:41Speaker 4: So it's it's sort of like, yeah, being the gate
- 8:44Speaker 4: keepers of this fuel makes them really rich.
- 8:48Speaker 2: Yeah, it would like it stands to reason that they
- 8:51Speaker 2: wouldn't want to give that up, and that that comes
- 8:54Speaker 2: up a lot on in the documentary unacknowledged that. Yeah,
- 9:00Speaker 2: Stephen Greer I think made that documentary, but he's definitely
- 9:04Speaker 2: the key figure in it. And the thing about this
- 9:07Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, which I hate even calling it that, but whatever.
- 9:11Speaker 3: Yeah, is there another term we can use because I
- 9:13Speaker 3: was thinking about that.
- 9:14Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess just.
- 9:15Speaker 3: Theory, Well theory.
- 9:16Speaker 2: A theory works, but kind of the crux of it
- 9:20Speaker 2: is well with this documentary what Stephen Greer like with
- 9:25Speaker 2: this particular conspiracy theory, the people pushing it aren't as
- 9:29Speaker 2: easy to discredit, Yeah as someone like Alex Jones, who's
- 9:34Speaker 2: just a dude from Austin who started a PBS show
- 9:39Speaker 2: and then a YouTube channel and now people, yeah take
- 9:42Speaker 2: him seriously.
- 9:43Speaker 4: Well, it's just yeah, with the work that Stephen Greer
- 9:46Speaker 4: is doing, everything is well documented, there's evidence, and he
- 9:51Speaker 4: is actually an advocate of being skeptical as well because
- 9:55Speaker 4: he is a scientist. Yeah, he is a scientist. A
- 9:58Speaker 4: lot of people who have on the documentary I watched
- 10:01Speaker 4: a while ago and I watched a little bit of
- 10:02Speaker 4: it again for this, But are people who are qualified, Yeah,
- 10:08Speaker 4: there's it would make more sense like if I went
- 10:11Speaker 4: and said something, of course, like you'd be like what
- 10:13Speaker 4: does she have to do with any of this?
- 10:15Speaker 3: But you know, if you're having a US naval.
- 10:19Speaker 4: Guy who's in charge of all that, you know this
- 10:21Speaker 4: is I sound ignorant as hell about the government.
- 10:23Speaker 3: But I just also I have other.
- 10:25Speaker 4: Opinions about the government, which you know, right, well again
- 10:28Speaker 4: you know it's all I.
- 10:29Speaker 3: Think, it's all like it's all theater. So yeah, I
- 10:32Speaker 3: get so invested in the workings.
- 10:35Speaker 2: Yeah, That's that's kind of the thing about everything about
- 10:39Speaker 2: the government is Yeah, it does at some level, it
- 10:44Speaker 2: starts to feel like none of this really matters, Like
- 10:47Speaker 2: none of what we're talking about, Like it's not like
- 10:50Speaker 2: putting this podcast out is going to stop anything. Yeah,
- 10:54Speaker 2: and it's probably not going to change any minds at
- 10:56Speaker 2: the end of the day. It's all entertainment. Yeah, even
- 11:00Speaker 2: like I've said that about Trump's war with the mainstream media,
- 11:04Speaker 2: that doesn't feel like a war. That feels like a
- 11:07Speaker 2: mutually beneficial relationship that's being staged to look like a war. Yeah,
- 11:13Speaker 2: and yeah, I just I feel like that.
- 11:16Speaker 4: It's just like we don't how do we even know
- 11:17Speaker 4: what's going on? That's the thing is we're being told
- 11:19Speaker 4: one thing. So it's just to me, it's it's difficult
- 11:23Speaker 4: to become too invested in something that I don't you know,
- 11:25Speaker 4: I don't know what the hell it is, right and
- 11:27Speaker 4: what it's doing and what's really going on and who's
- 11:29Speaker 4: in charge, and I honestly, you know, don't believe in
- 11:34Speaker 4: fully obviously. I mean, look, who, like we have like
- 11:37Speaker 4: a what is he a rapist?
- 11:39Speaker 2: Is he?
- 11:39Speaker 1: Now?
- 11:39Speaker 3: Are people coming out and saying he's an all out rapist? Yeah,
- 11:42Speaker 3: which is a type of murderer in my opinion.
- 11:44Speaker 2: It's just a fucking criminal all around, like just a
- 11:47Speaker 2: bad person.
- 11:49Speaker 4: So it's just you know, I that's anyway. But like
- 11:53Speaker 4: just for someone to work in that, to work in
- 11:57Speaker 4: government and then come out and publicly say these things publicly,
- 12:02Speaker 4: you know, testify to this, that is that's significant.
- 12:06Speaker 2: Yeah. There's there's another documentary we'll talk about a lot
- 12:09Speaker 2: in this episode, also called it's on Netflix. Both of
- 12:12Speaker 2: these are on Netflix right now. It's called Bob Lazar
- 12:15Speaker 2: Area fifty one in UFOs, and it's about a whistleblower
- 12:21Speaker 2: who came out in the eighties and basically said, yeah,
- 12:24Speaker 2: I worked on like free energy technology, like reverse engineered
- 12:28Speaker 2: alien technology, and he was like I'm just coming out
- 12:32Speaker 2: because it's a thing people need to know and I
- 12:35Speaker 2: just want to tell you and then move on with
- 12:37Speaker 2: my life. Yeah, And the degree to which the government
- 12:40Speaker 2: doesn't let him just move on with his life is
- 12:42Speaker 2: as much of an indicator as anything that he's Probably
- 12:45Speaker 2: there's some degree of truth to what he's saying.
- 12:47Speaker 3: And do you.
- 12:48Speaker 4: Think their behavior, the behavior of the government is vindictive,
- 12:52Speaker 4: Like it's sort of like, Okay, you know, you messed
- 12:54Speaker 4: with us, so we're gonna or do you think they
- 12:56Speaker 4: really think he's still a threat?
- 12:58Speaker 2: I think they they think he's still a threat. Yeah,
- 13:02Speaker 2: because one of the things I don't want to get
- 13:04Speaker 2: too far ahead, but one of the things that happens
- 13:06Speaker 2: during the course of this documentary, which was filmed last year,
- 13:10Speaker 2: I think the FBI raids him again. They raid his
- 13:14Speaker 2: home based on something he said in a conversation with
- 13:18Speaker 2: the filmmakers in the middle of the fucking woods, Like
- 13:21Speaker 2: he took them out in the middle of nowhere to
- 13:24Speaker 2: have this conversation, and the FBI raided his home based
- 13:28Speaker 2: on that conversation. How the fuck do they even hear that?
- 13:32Speaker 4: So they're monitoring him closely out So yeah, like he's
- 13:36Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he's in the crosshairs.
- 13:37Speaker 2: Right, and it's not because the things that he's saying
- 13:41Speaker 2: are false. Yeah, well, of course, like if it was
- 13:44Speaker 2: just false, they would just let him run with it
- 13:46Speaker 2: and discredit him. And before we get into that, let's
- 13:49Speaker 2: let's let Stephen Greer himself run through his theory quick.
- 13:54Speaker 2: This is a one minute explanation of it.
- 13:58Speaker 1: The energy is distracted from the fabric of the space
- 14:02Speaker 1: around us, which means it cannot be metered. That is
- 14:05Speaker 1: a direct threat to the single largest industry in the
- 14:09Speaker 1: world energy. It's goodbye Exxon Mobil, goodbye oil, goodbye coal,
- 14:17Speaker 1: goodbye linear transmission of electricity through power lines.
- 14:21Speaker 2: All that gone.
- 14:23Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it's someone's two hundred trillion dollars piggy bank.
- 14:28Speaker 2: The proven oil and gas.
- 14:30Speaker 1: And coal reserves are worth north of two hundred trillion dollars.
- 14:37Speaker 1: This information coming out would completely change the geopolitical power
- 14:47Speaker 1: more than anything since a well and recorded human history,
- 14:52Speaker 1: and it would happen in a generation.
- 14:56Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's kind of the idea that not
- 15:00Speaker 2: only is the government hiding alien technology, but they're hiding
- 15:03Speaker 2: it because of that.
- 15:04Speaker 3: There's motive.
- 15:05Speaker 2: Yeah, money, it would radically improve living conditions for.
- 15:10Speaker 3: The cost people, the common people.
- 15:12Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone in the world. And that clip is from
- 15:17Speaker 2: a movie called Thrive, which I have not seen but
- 15:20Speaker 2: I'll probably watch it now. And they have another example
- 15:24Speaker 2: in there. We won't play the clip, but they have
- 15:28Speaker 2: apparently another clip in the movie where they talk about
- 15:30Speaker 2: Tesla and Tesla like Nikolay Tesla not fucking yeah, what's
- 15:36Speaker 2: his for? Elon Musk And they talk about how he
- 15:39Speaker 2: was working on an energy product or project with a
- 15:45Speaker 2: wealthy financier who had a vested interest in the energy market,
- 15:50Speaker 2: and at one point Tesla realized, well, this could just
- 15:53Speaker 2: give the world free energy. So that's what this is
- 15:55Speaker 2: going to be. And they stepped in and shut it down.
- 15:58Speaker 2: And now we will never ever ever know if that
- 16:02Speaker 2: would have worked and if we would be completely independent
- 16:05Speaker 2: of fossil fuels.
- 16:06Speaker 3: Now, well, yeah, I mean we can't by now.
- 16:08Speaker 4: We can't change history, right, but we know the technology
- 16:11Speaker 4: well you know, no, but the technology could very well
- 16:15Speaker 4: be here now.
- 16:17Speaker 3: And you said it was reverse engineered, so.
- 16:20Speaker 4: It was not given to us by aliens, it was
- 16:23Speaker 4: found or discovered.
- 16:25Speaker 2: That's what comes up a lot in the Bob Lazar
- 16:28Speaker 2: documentary is that what he claims he did for a
- 16:33Speaker 2: living for a long time was that he worked at
- 16:35Speaker 2: Los Alamos and he was tasked with alien technology, like
- 16:40Speaker 2: reverse engineering, alien technology that we had recovered in crashes. Yeah,
- 16:45Speaker 2: but he also argued that there is some technology that
- 16:49Speaker 2: we've just been given yeah, by aliens. And this documentary
- 16:54Speaker 2: it's on like I said, it's on Netflix. He was
- 16:59Speaker 2: he was a whistle bl or. He went public in
- 17:01Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. And in the documentary they interview like
- 17:05Speaker 2: the reporter who broke the story, they interview all of
- 17:09Speaker 2: his friends, all of his family. And the thing is,
- 17:12Speaker 2: everyone believes him, yea one hundred percent. No one even
- 17:17Speaker 2: sort of doubts the things he's saying and the lengths
- 17:22Speaker 2: the government went to to try and discredit him after
- 17:24Speaker 2: he came out and said all this. Like I said earlier,
- 17:27Speaker 2: it's kind of indicative of the fact that he's probably onto.
- 17:30Speaker 4: Something, Yeah, And it disrupts the status quo and that
- 17:33Speaker 4: bothers people. That ruffles a lot of feathers. So you know,
- 17:37Speaker 4: I believe them.
- 17:38Speaker 2: Yeah. And one of the things they did to discredit
- 17:43Speaker 2: him was he as part of his official biography forever
- 17:48Speaker 2: had said that one he went to college at MIT
- 17:52Speaker 2: and two that when he did all this work, he
- 17:55Speaker 2: worked at Los Alamos for the government, and after he
- 17:57Speaker 2: went public, the government was like, yeah, we have no
- 18:01Speaker 2: record of him at Los Alamos, and MIT also came
- 18:05Speaker 2: out and was like, we don't show him as a student.
- 18:08Speaker 2: And those two things have been the main points that
- 18:13Speaker 2: people use to discredit this guy forever. And in this documentary,
- 18:17Speaker 2: the filmmaker his name is Jeremy Corbel, he manages to
- 18:22Speaker 2: track down a phone directory from Los Alamos from the
- 18:26Speaker 2: nineteen eighties that shows Bob Lazar listed Nice.
- 18:31Speaker 4: I was going to ask if they found evidence from
- 18:33Speaker 4: there in MIT as well.
- 18:35Speaker 2: No, they don't find anything from MIT. But he also
- 18:38Speaker 2: finds a newspaper profile of Bob Lazar from the eighties
- 18:42Speaker 2: that mentions him working at Los Alamos. And what they
- 18:45Speaker 2: bring up in the documentary, and what Bob Lazar especially
- 18:48Speaker 2: brings up a lot, is do you think Los Alamos
- 18:51Speaker 2: hired him out of high school? Like, of course he
- 18:54Speaker 2: went to college somewhere, and if they went to these
- 18:59Speaker 2: lengths to cover up his professional history, this mostly this
- 19:04Speaker 2: mostly just means they were more successful covering up his
- 19:07Speaker 2: college history. Yeah, I don't think it in any way
- 19:11Speaker 2: points to the fact that he's not to be trusted.
- 19:14Speaker 3: Well, I know, you know, I have I feel like
- 19:16Speaker 3: I have an idea of you know, what governments are
- 19:19Speaker 3: capable of, right, so it's not outside of the realm
- 19:23Speaker 3: of possibility.
- 19:24Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the thing. It comes up a lot
- 19:26Speaker 2: on this podcast. But I know we've we've kind of
- 19:29Speaker 2: put a we've made conspiracy theory kind of a derogatory
- 19:33Speaker 2: term these days, but we see conspiracies all the time.
- 19:37Speaker 3: Yeah, it's people with vested interests.
- 19:39Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just too power two people working together toward
- 19:43Speaker 2: a goal who aren't being open about the fact that
- 19:45Speaker 2: they're working toward that goal. Like police shootings. When we
- 19:50Speaker 2: a video of a police shooting comes out and we
- 19:53Speaker 2: find out that months ago the police knew about this
- 19:55Speaker 2: and just since the video wasn't out, they figured they
- 19:57Speaker 2: could just cover it up. That's conspiracy. Like they happen
- 20:01Speaker 2: all the fucking time, And there, I would argue, more
- 20:04Speaker 2: likely to happen when you're talking about stuff like this.
- 20:08Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, for me, I'd rather know what's going on,
- 20:11Speaker 3: you know, I don't need to believe the lie.
- 20:14Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the thing. Like, we know we have
- 20:19Speaker 2: a massive intelligence wing in our government, like we have
- 20:23Speaker 2: two different intelligence agencies more than that really, Yeah, and
- 20:27Speaker 2: we know propaganda is a thing. We know governments lie
- 20:30Speaker 2: to their people. Like people who just immediately write off
- 20:34Speaker 2: the idea of conspiracy theories in general, what do you
- 20:37Speaker 2: think those departments are doing? Like, what do you think
- 20:41Speaker 2: they're spending all that money on? It's they're not spending
- 20:44Speaker 2: it to tell you the truth?
- 20:45Speaker 3: What is espionage?
- 20:46Speaker 2: Yeah, like do we even have spies? Do we just
- 20:49Speaker 2: make all that up? Like yeah, like of course this
- 20:52Speaker 2: kind of shit happens. Yeah.
- 20:53Speaker 4: I mean one of the articles you sent me, I
- 20:56Speaker 4: think it was a third or fourth one, someone was
- 21:00Speaker 4: completely discrediting it in ways of not like you know,
- 21:04Speaker 4: it was just sort of like a sweeping statement of
- 21:06Speaker 4: you know, it's a conspiracy theory, and people are like dud,
- 21:09Speaker 4: you know, they just sort of dismiss it without even
- 21:11Speaker 4: considering it. And again, it's just like, well, if so
- 21:14Speaker 4: many people are saying this, and there's so many there's
- 21:17Speaker 4: so much documented evidence from reliable sources, it's it's interesting
- 21:23Speaker 4: what that someone would just brush it off.
- 21:25Speaker 2: Yeah, that the article you're referring to. I don't remember
- 21:28Speaker 2: which one it is, but I'll link to it on
- 21:30Speaker 2: the website go hunt for yourself listeners. But the guy
- 21:34Speaker 2: they're quoting it was a guy named Stephen Novella, who
- 21:39Speaker 2: and this is their quote, claims to have debunked the
- 21:42Speaker 2: entire theory using logical thought, which, right away, fuck you,
- 21:46Speaker 2: I know this is going in a terrible direction that
- 21:48Speaker 2: I don't.
- 21:48Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like for.
- 21:50Speaker 4: The logical thought of a person, an individual person, which
- 21:53Speaker 4: is not the most reliable narrator, right not or like
- 21:57Speaker 4: you know source, Yeah, like you're just because you thought
- 22:01Speaker 4: it was logical doesn't make it the end all, be
- 22:03Speaker 4: all truth.
- 22:04Speaker 2: Yeah, from everyone. Like, it's been said so many times
- 22:07Speaker 2: that to reach these kind of heights when in terms
- 22:10Speaker 2: of power, you have to be kind of a psychopath.
- 22:14Speaker 3: There has to be.
- 22:14Speaker 4: Some maybe ruthless pragmatism, right, some sort of ruthlessness to
- 22:20Speaker 4: I guess to excel so quickly, right, and it could
- 22:24Speaker 4: be at the expense of those around you or something.
- 22:29Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a quote from Stephen Novella when debunking
- 22:34Speaker 2: this theory. If free energy were real, someone would be
- 22:37Speaker 2: making it happen ironically, the very existence of the free
- 22:42Speaker 2: energy movement proves their own conspiracy theories wrong. If a
- 22:47Speaker 2: company could produce a genuine free energy machine, they would
- 22:51Speaker 2: and they would become the wealthiest company in the world.
- 22:53Speaker 3: If it exists, it would already be here.
- 22:56Speaker 2: That's such a shitty argument. I can't And what the
- 23:00Speaker 2: fuck does he think about? Free energy is going to
- 23:03Speaker 2: make someone the wealthiest person in the world. That's exactly
- 23:06Speaker 2: why these energy companies want to stop.
- 23:09Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because that's going to make someone else not
- 23:11Speaker 4: the wealthiest person in the world.
- 23:13Speaker 3: Right, it would make.
- 23:13Speaker 2: Them not the wealthiest. Like free energy is exactly what
- 23:17Speaker 2: it sounds like. It's free. Like you would need some
- 23:20Speaker 2: sort of infrastructure to administer it, and you could maybe
- 23:24Speaker 2: ask people to pay for that, but that's going to
- 23:25Speaker 2: be a pretty flat fee that's not going to go
- 23:27Speaker 2: up or down based on their consumption, like it would.
- 23:30Speaker 2: It would change the fucking world.
- 23:31Speaker 4: I mean, what bothers me is he said it was
- 23:33Speaker 4: logical thinking, and you know, you're not even looking at evidence,
- 23:38Speaker 4: because I think the logical thing is aliens exist. Most scientists,
- 23:43Speaker 4: i think at this point, would say, just you know, statistically,
- 23:45Speaker 4: how could they not right? And there's so much smoke around,
- 23:49Speaker 4: you know, just et presence. Yeah here for like I
- 23:54Speaker 4: think you know, it really started taking off in the.
- 23:57Speaker 5: Fifties, but the forties and fifties, but that's when we.
- 23:59Speaker 3: Start having more media like broadcast, right.
- 24:03Speaker 2: But one interesting thing that comes up in the unacknowledged
- 24:07Speaker 2: documentary is right after Roswell, like weeks after Roswell, is
- 24:12Speaker 2: when the CIA started and when the Air Force started. Yeah,
- 24:16Speaker 2: like almost immediately after that happened. Like that's not nothing. Yeah,
- 24:20Speaker 2: like those two things, it's not that crazy to assume
- 24:22Speaker 2: those two things might be related. And at least one
- 24:26Speaker 2: of those operations job was to hide this shit from us. Yeah,
- 24:32Speaker 2: like it's the people not that crazy. And this idea
- 24:36Speaker 2: that well free energy would if you developed that, it
- 24:39Speaker 2: would make you the richest person in the world. What
- 24:41Speaker 2: about napster? Sean Parker gave us the means of getting
- 24:44Speaker 2: all the free music in the world that we could
- 24:47Speaker 2: ever want. And did the music companies of the world
- 24:50Speaker 2: sit back and go, all right, that's cool. Mind, No,
- 24:53Speaker 2: they shut that shit down, shut it down, and now
- 24:56Speaker 2: songs are a dollar ninety nine each Again, it's it's
- 25:01Speaker 2: not it's insane. That they any out news outlet would
- 25:05Speaker 2: consider that a debunking.
- 25:07Speaker 3: Of this theory so simplistic.
- 25:09Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not thinking about it whatsoever. And it's just
- 25:14Speaker 2: inherently trusting the government.
- 25:16Speaker 3: It's almost like gaslighting in a way. It's just this
- 25:18Speaker 3: is you know, what are you talking about? This is it?
- 25:21Speaker 2: Yeah, like, why do you believe this fucking obvious scientist
- 25:25Speaker 2: who knows a lot about what he's talking about? And
- 25:27Speaker 2: why would you believe that?
- 25:29Speaker 4: Yeah, you just sort of paint them as an unreliable source.
- 25:31Speaker 4: But yeah, he's I mean, I think anyone with critical
- 25:34Speaker 4: thinking skills can I was so annoyed when I read that.
- 25:38Speaker 2: Yeah, it shit like that drives me insane. One of
- 25:42Speaker 2: the examples I bring up all the time, there's a
- 25:45Speaker 2: conspiracy theory about Pearl Harbor that the government had knowledge
- 25:50Speaker 2: ahead of time of Pearl Harbor. And part of that
- 25:53Speaker 2: conspiracy theory is that someone put this ad in I
- 25:58Speaker 2: think it was New Yorker magazine and for a game
- 26:01Speaker 2: called the I think it was called Deadly Double, and
- 26:04Speaker 2: it had If you look at the ad, it's got
- 26:07Speaker 2: all these what seemed like references to the day that
- 26:11Speaker 2: the Pearl Harbor attack is going to happen, And if
- 26:14Speaker 2: you look at the Snopes article about it, they're like, no,
- 26:17Speaker 2: we interviewed the guy and he just said it was
- 26:20Speaker 2: a game he was working on, so he took out
- 26:22Speaker 2: this ad and then he never finished the game. Like
- 26:26Speaker 2: before I get to the rest, that part alone is crazy,
- 26:28Speaker 2: Like you haven't even finished the game and you're taking
- 26:31Speaker 2: out expensive ass ads in the New Yorker. Yeah, but
- 26:34Speaker 2: then the last paragraph they're like, oh, also, he worked
- 26:37Speaker 2: in the Office of Strategic Services during World War Two
- 26:40Speaker 2: and that's the fucking precursor to the CIA. Yeah, And
- 26:43Speaker 2: you just throw that out at the end and you're
- 26:44Speaker 2: like patently false, Like he's lying, do you You.
- 26:48Speaker 3: Just like take out the biggest piece of context.
- 26:50Speaker 5: Yeah, Like ugh, and.
- 26:53Speaker 2: Yeah, that's That's kind of what you see with this
- 26:56Speaker 2: theory is the attempts to debunk it are just show
- 27:01Speaker 2: us the proof and it's like he would love to,
- 27:03Speaker 2: but the government would fucking murder him. Yeah, And one
- 27:06Speaker 2: of the were you gonna say something?
- 27:07Speaker 3: No?
- 27:09Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things that I mentioned earlier is
- 27:13Speaker 2: that this raid happens, and it's it ties into this
- 27:19Speaker 2: entire theory because one of the key proponents of this
- 27:23Speaker 2: theory is something called element one fifteen, which according to
- 27:27Speaker 2: Bob Lazar and uh, what's the other doctor's name, Stephen Greer.
- 27:33Speaker 2: According to Bob Lazar and Stephen Greer both, this element
- 27:37Speaker 2: one point fifteen is kind of the building block of
- 27:39Speaker 2: this alien technology that would give us free energy. And
- 27:45Speaker 2: it used to be a thing that just was mentioned
- 27:48Speaker 2: in alien conspiracy theories, and now it's an actual element.
- 27:52Speaker 2: In two thousand and three, a bunch of scientists from
- 27:55Speaker 2: Russia and the United States were able to make a
- 27:58Speaker 2: synthetic version of element one point fifteen. Now they call
- 28:02Speaker 2: it moscovium, I think, but according to the official story,
- 28:06Speaker 2: they were only able they've only ever been able to
- 28:09Speaker 2: synthesize like five atoms of it, and even if they
- 28:13Speaker 2: could make more, it's not stable enough to use in
- 28:15Speaker 2: any technology.
- 28:16Speaker 4: And is this related to zero point or quantum vacuum
- 28:21Speaker 4: energy generation?
- 28:22Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so that's the technology that Greer says we
- 28:27Speaker 3: could use for free energy.
- 28:28Speaker 2: Right, That would that basically powers those zero point energy
- 28:33Speaker 2: machines and things like. I don't know if it's the
- 28:35Speaker 2: same as a cold fusion reactor, which is along the
- 28:38Speaker 2: same lines, but I think that's different.
- 28:40Speaker 4: But this, Yeah, I'm seeing there are technologies that have
- 28:44Speaker 4: been invented perpetual motion machines, cold fusion generation generators, and
- 28:49Speaker 4: trus based generators.
- 28:51Speaker 3: So don't I don't know the mechanics of those at.
- 28:53Speaker 2: All, but yeah, those are the machines that I think
- 28:58Speaker 2: in a lot of cases are But what Bob Lazar
- 29:01Speaker 2: claims is that was his job was to kind of
- 29:04Speaker 2: reverse engineer these alien machines and crafts using the technology
- 29:11Speaker 2: we had available.
- 29:13Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's okay, So those are some of the
- 29:16Speaker 4: equipment that's being built to harness this these unconventional energy reservoirs, right,
- 29:23Speaker 4: So yeah, we're.
- 29:23Speaker 3: Just trying to create the technology.
- 29:24Speaker 4: We know that this is where the energy is, this
- 29:27Speaker 4: is where the source is.
- 29:28Speaker 3: How do we harness that?
- 29:30Speaker 2: Right? And to hear him describe like how that these
- 29:34Speaker 2: machines cause jet propulsion, he says, they basically modify the
- 29:40Speaker 2: gravity field around them to the point that it's almost
- 29:44Speaker 2: as if the craft is just always falling forward, like
- 29:48Speaker 2: this machine is like putting gravity in front of it
- 29:53Speaker 2: so it falls. Oh, and just doing it with a
- 29:57Speaker 2: machine that can basically produce that energy infinitely, which is nuts.
- 30:03Speaker 2: And this element one fifteen. The thing about them saying
- 30:07Speaker 2: they've only synthesized five atoms. He claims at some point
- 30:11Speaker 2: an alien civilization gave us five hundred pounds of this
- 30:16Speaker 2: element one point fifteen and that we've been using that
- 30:20Speaker 2: to reverse engineer alien technology, and that's what they were
- 30:25Speaker 2: talking about when this raid happens. In the documentary, that
- 30:28Speaker 2: conversation he has in the woods the woods, Yeah, he
- 30:32Speaker 2: kind of insinuates that he maybe got a little of
- 30:35Speaker 2: this element one fifteen out of Los Alamos. Wow, And
- 30:40Speaker 2: a couple days later, the FBI shows up to raid
- 30:43Speaker 2: his fucking house. So if the if they didn't have it,
- 30:48Speaker 2: would they have raided the place? Like if yeah, if
- 30:51Speaker 2: there was nothing, what's to recover? Even if he's like
- 30:54Speaker 2: if he's just lying, was that the was?
- 30:57Speaker 4: So that was the gist of the conversation in the
- 30:59Speaker 4: woods was that he had this element.
- 31:02Speaker 2: He was he kind of implies that he has this.
- 31:06Speaker 3: Element, but yeah, why are they giving him grief?
- 31:08Speaker 2: Right if he doesn't.
- 31:09Speaker 4: And there's a lot of people who put stuff on
- 31:11Speaker 4: YouTube like we're talking shit, Yeah, they're leaving us alone,
- 31:15Speaker 4: But like, yeah, what does he have?
- 31:17Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing, like if he was lying about that.
- 31:21Speaker 2: There's no reason for that raid. There's nothing like if
- 31:24Speaker 2: they knew, well, no, we don't have a stockpile of
- 31:27Speaker 2: element one fifteen at Los Alamos, so there's nothing for
- 31:30Speaker 2: him to have smuggled out. Yeah, then you don't send
- 31:33Speaker 2: the agents out. Like the fact that they rated his
- 31:36Speaker 2: home after that conversation, that's suspicious as fuck. Yeah, like that,
- 31:41Speaker 2: like that does not look good for the government, and
- 31:44Speaker 2: it's I don't know, it's fucking crazy. Everyone should watch
- 31:48Speaker 2: this documentary.
- 31:49Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen the second one, the I think
- 31:53Speaker 3: fifty one.
- 31:54Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called Bob Lazar Area fifty one and UFOs
- 31:59Speaker 2: and he worked at Area fifty one, but he calls
- 32:03Speaker 2: it by a different name, I think S four or
- 32:05Speaker 2: something like that. In the documentary, and it's fascinating. He
- 32:09Speaker 2: draws images of the craft he claims to have seen
- 32:13Speaker 2: and the machines he worked on. He goes really in
- 32:17Speaker 2: depth about how element one point fifteen works and how
- 32:21Speaker 2: you synthesize it to make it into a power source,
- 32:24Speaker 2: and like if he's making it all up, God damn,
- 32:27Speaker 2: it's such an elaborate hoax, Like there's like it would
- 32:30Speaker 2: take all of your life's work to generate a hoax
- 32:34Speaker 2: like this.
- 32:34Speaker 4: Well, that's sort of the thing is when people tried
- 32:36Speaker 4: to discredit this, it's like, what's the benefit to the
- 32:38Speaker 4: individual to dedicate his life to this, right, you know.
- 32:43Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's not like and he even when he
- 32:45Speaker 2: came out initially in the eighties, he was like, I'm
- 32:48Speaker 2: not going on the lecture circuit after this. I'm not
- 32:51Speaker 2: going to go talk at UFO conventions. He's like, I
- 32:54Speaker 2: did this work, and I feel like the government should
- 32:57Speaker 2: be telling people about it. That's it. Yeah, and all
- 32:59Speaker 2: of that that to me makes him seem very credible.
- 33:02Speaker 2: There's nothing in the documentary that makes him out to
- 33:06Speaker 2: be a liar. Yeah, which I don't know that uh
- 33:10Speaker 2: that that matters when it comes to stuff like this.
- 33:13Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's just what's the motive, what's the incentive?
- 33:16Speaker 5: And you know, there's yeah.
- 33:18Speaker 2: Like there's no I would argue for almost anyone who
- 33:22Speaker 2: comes forward with information like this, there's never an incentive. Yeah,
- 33:27Speaker 2: because they if you watch We've talked about this a lot,
- 33:30Speaker 2: if you watch the Acknowledged Unacknowledged documentary, they talk about
- 33:33Speaker 2: it a lot. But the the government and especially the CIA,
- 33:37Speaker 2: like there have been Freedom of Information Act requests that
- 33:43Speaker 2: have like there have been documents released through that that
- 33:46Speaker 2: have shown that, like the CIA has made agreements with
- 33:49Speaker 2: all of the top publishers, like all the news media outlets,
- 33:54Speaker 2: And what happens is when a story like this is
- 33:57Speaker 2: presented to someone like the New York Times, it gets
- 34:00Speaker 2: rejected all the way down the line until it ends
- 34:03Speaker 2: up in like the National Inquirer. Yeah, and they there
- 34:06Speaker 2: are people in the documentary, people who've worked for the
- 34:09Speaker 2: government who are like, sometimes that's stuff you're reading in
- 34:11Speaker 2: there is true. It's just that because of the way
- 34:14Speaker 2: our government works and how they impose secrecy and control information,
- 34:19Speaker 2: you're not going to hear about it in what you
- 34:22Speaker 2: consider a credible source. Yeah, Like, we really really hate
- 34:26Speaker 2: the National Inquirer now because of their association with Trump
- 34:29Speaker 2: and shit. But people forget, like the National Inquirer solved
- 34:33Speaker 2: Bill Cosby's son's murder like they did. They were the
- 34:36Speaker 2: ones who like they published a story that ended up
- 34:39Speaker 2: like they got the information that ended up solving that case.
- 34:43Speaker 2: And you know whoever had that had to have taken
- 34:46Speaker 2: it to other people first, Like you wouldn't just go
- 34:50Speaker 2: to the Inquirer, which then begs the question why did
- 34:53Speaker 2: it fucking end up in the Inquirer in the first place?
- 34:55Speaker 2: But so like it stands the reason that sometimes they
- 34:59Speaker 2: get actual information.
- 35:00Speaker 4: I guess, well, yeah, it's just you know, why blindly
- 35:04Speaker 4: if if you're being skeptical about this thing, why do
- 35:08Speaker 4: you why do you expect the other side to just
- 35:12Speaker 4: blindly accept your position?
- 35:14Speaker 2: Right? Right? And why would you ever? It's almost unpatriotic
- 35:20Speaker 2: to blindly trust your government. Yeah, it's dangerous for sure,
- 35:24Speaker 2: but it's all it's kind of contrary to what this
- 35:28Speaker 2: country is supposed to be. Like, you're supposed to be
- 35:31Speaker 2: able to oppose and question this government. That's why it's
- 35:34Speaker 2: so great.
- 35:35Speaker 3: You're supposed to be checks and balances, right.
- 35:37Speaker 2: So what's the harm and question in them?
- 35:40Speaker 4: Like, I don't I've always thought that just what's if
- 35:43Speaker 4: it's true, then why does it matter?
- 35:46Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so if it if it is true that
- 35:51Speaker 2: the government is suppressing free energy sources from us, which
- 35:56Speaker 2: is possible one of the things I had in the
- 35:58Speaker 2: notes that I don't know if if I even added
- 36:01Speaker 2: it to these notes, but oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the
- 36:04Speaker 2: government has all of these secret patents out in the world.
- 36:08Speaker 2: You can read about it. There's an article called the
- 36:10Speaker 2: Government Secret Inventions on slate dot com.
- 36:13Speaker 3: Thousands.
- 36:14Speaker 2: Yeah, at the time of this article, five seven hundred
- 36:17Speaker 2: and eighty four patents that we are not allowed to see.
- 36:21Speaker 2: They're under what's called secrecy orders. And this is a
- 36:24Speaker 2: system that dates back to the nineteen thirties, but it
- 36:28Speaker 2: especially took off after World War Two, kind of like
- 36:32Speaker 2: the CIA and the Air Force, and given the it
- 36:36Speaker 2: gives the government the power to flag any patent, even
- 36:39Speaker 2: though submitted by the public, as detrimental to national security.
- 36:44Speaker 2: And sometimes they just stay that way forever. Like sometimes
- 36:47Speaker 2: the government's just like nope, no one ever gets to
- 36:49Speaker 2: know about this.
- 36:50Speaker 4: And I think I've read in one of the articles
- 36:53Speaker 4: that also by the time some of them are released,
- 36:56Speaker 4: the secrecy orders are you know, removed, the technology is old,
- 37:02Speaker 4: and then the inventor just completely you know, it's yeah,
- 37:05Speaker 4: it's such a violation of their livelihood, right, I.
- 37:09Speaker 2: Think, And it I imagine there are situations where we
- 37:13Speaker 2: need it. Yeah, we need something like this like that.
- 37:16Speaker 2: I we're probably thinking of the same example. But it
- 37:19Speaker 2: was a guy who developed something that would make like
- 37:22Speaker 2: telephone or cell phone communication easier, Yeah, I believe. And
- 37:26Speaker 2: they were like, oh, that's gonna make terrorists or.
- 37:29Speaker 4: More secure, right, more secure less like more difficult.
- 37:33Speaker 2: To hack into, right, And the government was like, that's
- 37:36Speaker 2: going to make it easier for terrorists to talk. So
- 37:39Speaker 2: we'll we'll classify that for a while. And then yeah,
- 37:42Speaker 2: when they took it off, he was like, motherfuckers are
- 37:44Speaker 2: and then the phones are in our head now nobody
- 37:46Speaker 2: gives a shit.
- 37:47Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that the issue being brought up
- 37:50Speaker 4: in the article was sort of the bureaucracy of it,
- 37:52Speaker 4: where Okay, let's say they put a pin in it
- 37:54Speaker 4: and they're like, well, you know, we'll go over this.
- 37:56Speaker 3: But they never would.
- 37:57Speaker 4: Right cut to decades later they released the patent and
- 38:01Speaker 4: it's just it's old technology.
- 38:03Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an example in one of the articles. One
- 38:06Speaker 2: of the they finally declassified a patent for a cryptograph
- 38:12Speaker 2: from nineteen thirty six, and they declassified that in the
- 38:16Speaker 2: year two thousand, like, thanks, we will get that to production.
- 38:21Speaker 3: Thanks, Like I want to know what happened to the
- 38:23Speaker 3: scientist or the individual who made this, you know.
- 38:26Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just I don't know.
- 38:29Speaker 3: It rubs me the wrong way.
- 38:30Speaker 2: Yeah, we did an episode of this show not too
- 38:33Speaker 2: long ago about a guy named Philip Taylor Kramer who
- 38:37Speaker 2: one used to be the bass player in the band
- 38:39Speaker 2: Iron Butterfly who sang in Agada Davida, but also after
- 38:44Speaker 2: he left the band, got an engineering degree and went
- 38:47Speaker 2: on to work for all of these huge firms, and
- 38:51Speaker 2: his father his entire life, had claimed to be working
- 38:54Speaker 2: on this technology that one proved almost everything about Einstein's
- 38:59Speaker 2: theory of relativity false and would also have made basically
- 39:03Speaker 2: teleportation possible, and he died. Taylor Kramer at the time
- 39:10Speaker 2: of his death was like, people are going to kill
- 39:12Speaker 2: me for this, like this thing and we're working on
- 39:14Speaker 2: it's going to change everything, and someone will probably kill
- 39:17Speaker 2: me over it. And his dad claims that if he
- 39:21Speaker 2: ever heard that, he called nine one one and said
- 39:24Speaker 2: I'm going to kill myself. What he was actually saying
- 39:28Speaker 2: is that someone is about to kill him, and that happened,
- 39:34Speaker 2: Like that's how he died. He went, Oh, he he
- 39:38Speaker 2: went to pick a friend up from the airport from
- 39:42Speaker 2: Lax and all they know from there is he waited
- 39:45Speaker 2: forty five minutes and then left without picking the friend
- 39:49Speaker 2: up and made something like seventeen cell phone calls to
- 39:52Speaker 2: various people and at the end called nine one one
- 39:57Speaker 2: and said, my name's Philip Taylor. I'm going to kill myself. Also,
- 40:03Speaker 2: OJ is innocent. They did it, and then he just
- 40:05Speaker 2: fucking disappeared, and they found his car in the bottom
- 40:09Speaker 2: of Decker Canyon four years later with the fucking license
- 40:13Speaker 2: plates missing, Like where did the license plates go? Like,
- 40:17Speaker 2: who got the fuck down to the bottom of Decker
- 40:20Speaker 2: Canyon to get his fucking license plates off that car?
- 40:24Speaker 2: Because it's not like they just like were broken and
- 40:26Speaker 2: in pieces. Someone removed the license plates from his car
- 40:30Speaker 2: like that. That's weird as fuck. There's no way to prove. Yeah,
- 40:34Speaker 2: that's that someone killed him for the technology he was
- 40:37Speaker 2: working on. But it's certainly suspicious and all.
- 40:41Speaker 3: They need is plausible deniability. Yeah, that's you know.
- 40:45Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's I don't know, it's just worth it's
- 40:49Speaker 2: it's I feel like it's in the general public's best
- 40:51Speaker 2: interest to like open your mind up a little bit
- 40:55Speaker 2: to the idea that this government might be corrupt beyond
- 40:58Speaker 2: just shitty tweets.
- 41:00Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, do you think maybe it's too stressful for
- 41:03Speaker 4: the average person or not. I don't know, have the
- 41:04Speaker 4: average person, but like for most people to handle, because
- 41:07Speaker 4: it does disrupt the status quo, right, and if you're
- 41:09Speaker 4: sort of comfortable, it's.
- 41:11Speaker 2: Sort of it's some matrix shit kind of. Yeah, Like
- 41:14Speaker 2: it's almost like if you don't know, do you want
- 41:17Speaker 2: to know? Like we just did an episode of list Cast.
- 41:19Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like do you want to sort of disrupt.
- 41:21Speaker 5: The you know, the illusion?
- 41:23Speaker 2: We did an episode of list Cast about dystopian futures
- 41:27Speaker 2: we would most want to live in, and most of
- 41:29Speaker 2: my picks were the ones where people just don't know. Like, yeah, like.
- 41:33Speaker 3: That ignorance is a bliss type of thing.
- 41:35Speaker 2: Yeah, like the matrix. The alternative is in reality you're
- 41:39Speaker 2: like sleeping in a cocoon, but then you're just outliving
- 41:42Speaker 2: your life and you're just oblivious to everything that's happening. Yeah,
- 41:45Speaker 2: like there's got to be some comfort in that.
- 41:48Speaker 3: So yeah, I can understand the position and yeah, the discomfort. Yeah,
- 41:52Speaker 3: but yeah, I've always been curious.
- 41:55Speaker 5: So oh, well, go.
- 41:57Speaker 3: Ahead the whole little OJ thing. You just slipped that
- 42:00Speaker 3: in there, can we? Yeah, that's that theory. I haven't
- 42:06Speaker 3: heard that one.
- 42:07Speaker 2: No one else has. Either those were literally his dying
- 42:10Speaker 2: word or his last words and when they initially released
- 42:13Speaker 2: his nine to one one call, they cut that part
- 42:16Speaker 2: from the nine to one one call and they just
- 42:18Speaker 2: released the part that said, Yeah, I'm Philip Taylor Kramer
- 42:21Speaker 2: and I'm going to kill myself.
- 42:23Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 42:23Speaker 2: But he was, I guess, kind of implying that the
- 42:27Speaker 2: same people who were after him had said, oh I
- 42:31Speaker 2: remember the connection now he had They they say, they
- 42:35Speaker 2: don't say, we know. Not long before this, he had
- 42:38Speaker 2: been hired to examine some sort of video evidence in
- 42:43Speaker 2: the OJ trial. And that's crazy to me because I'm
- 42:46Speaker 2: old enough to very much remember the OJ trial. I
- 42:51Speaker 2: was in fucking high.
- 42:51Speaker 5: School when yeahppened.
- 42:52Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember shit about any video evidence in
- 42:56Speaker 2: the OJ trial and whatever he worked on on that
- 43:00Speaker 2: for that as part of that project, apparently convinced him O. J.
- 43:04Speaker 2: Simpson was innocent and was being set up. And when
- 43:08Speaker 2: he died or committed suicide, that was the last thing
- 43:11Speaker 2: he said was that OJ was innocent and they did it.
- 43:14Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 43:14Speaker 2: What a world we live in?
- 43:16Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he And how crazy is it that
- 43:17Speaker 4: that in the criminal case?
- 43:19Speaker 2: Yeah? How crazy is it that that happened? Where we live?
- 43:23Speaker 2: I was in La that rolling Stone Rider whose cars
- 43:27Speaker 2: just mysteriously like flipped after he was working on some
- 43:31Speaker 2: story about the government that was in La Welcome to
- 43:34Speaker 2: Conspiracy the show. I feel like I'm putting your life
- 43:37Speaker 2: in danger now, I.
- 43:39Speaker 3: You know, I'm so interested in these things.
- 43:41Speaker 2: I know this, and I'm sure they'll get Babazar before they.
- 43:45Speaker 3: Get Yes, that's what I'm saying. When they start, you know,
- 43:47Speaker 3: going after some of those others, and it's like, Okay,
- 43:49Speaker 3: maybe we should chill out a little bit.
- 43:51Speaker 2: But at this point, Yeah, I have the word conspiracy
- 43:54Speaker 2: in the title of the podcast. Yeah, that's going to
- 43:57Speaker 2: put most people off right away. So speaking of conspiracy,
- 44:01Speaker 2: I have a couple possible scenarios for what's going on
- 44:06Speaker 2: here that I want to run through. This one is
- 44:10Speaker 2: kind of the almost the silver lining one or the
- 44:13Speaker 2: least the least scary scenario. Okay, maybe the US government
- 44:18Speaker 2: is hesitant to embrace green energy or to acknowledge global
- 44:23Speaker 2: warming or climate change as a threat because we have
- 44:26Speaker 2: this technology and they know they can whip it out
- 44:30Speaker 2: literally at the last minute, and up until then, we're
- 44:33Speaker 2: just going to raid the planet of natural resources and
- 44:36Speaker 2: make money off of it and hope it doesn't set
- 44:39Speaker 2: the entire globe on fire in the process, and.
- 44:41Speaker 4: Then when we have no when we've pillaged the planet,
- 44:45Speaker 4: then the idea is this is our last.
- 44:48Speaker 2: Then we get to come in front of the world
- 44:50Speaker 2: and go, don't worry, we can fix this. We have
- 44:53Speaker 2: the technology you need.
- 44:55Speaker 3: Still sad.
- 44:56Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's crazy, sad.
- 44:58Speaker 3: I like the planet is an end to Oh yeah.
- 45:01Speaker 2: It's abusive to the planet. And it would be an
- 45:03Speaker 2: idea that relies on just billions of people living in
- 45:08Speaker 2: intense suffering. Yeah, for a long long time until we
- 45:12Speaker 2: finally decide to do the right thing, which at that
- 45:14Speaker 2: point there is no right thing. Yeah, like you just
- 45:17Speaker 2: finally did a thing.
- 45:18Speaker 3: That's a bummer.
- 45:20Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's this theory actually comes up in the
- 45:24Speaker 2: Unacknowledged documentary and it's kind of along the same lines,
- 45:28Speaker 2: and it's it's a theory that's been tossed around by
- 45:31Speaker 2: a lot of conspiracy theorists in the past, which is
- 45:35Speaker 2: that the US government is going to launch a false
- 45:38Speaker 2: flag attack using reverse engineered alien technology, like to make
- 45:43Speaker 2: it look like, oh shit, the aliens are here. And
- 45:47Speaker 2: not only are they going to launch this attack that
- 45:50Speaker 2: makes it look like aliens are here, but those aliens
- 45:52Speaker 2: are going to be like, look, we can solve your
- 45:54Speaker 2: energy problem. You just need to like seed control of
- 45:58Speaker 2: your world to us. And what if the US government
- 46:02Speaker 2: is planning to do that so we can be that
- 46:06Speaker 2: world government, Like maybe like that's it's that feels like
- 46:10Speaker 2: it would be the logical conclusion of US launching a
- 46:12Speaker 2: false flag attack involving aliens.
- 46:14Speaker 3: So the false flag attack is the aliens are.
- 46:17Speaker 2: Here, right, You're not. A false flag attack is no, no,
- 46:20Speaker 2: it's a false flag attack is when a country attacks
- 46:24Speaker 2: itself and blames someone else, Like people claim.
- 46:29Speaker 3: Escapegoat someone, you make someone else those.
- 46:31Speaker 2: Like nine to eleven. A lot of people claim nine
- 46:34Speaker 2: to eleven was a false flag attack.
- 46:37Speaker 3: There was actually a whip up fear to whip up fear.
- 46:40Speaker 2: And give us a reason to keep the war machine going.
- 46:44Speaker 4: Which is very profitable, very profitable the people who profit.
- 46:49Speaker 2: And there's a there's a pretty famous document from around
- 46:52Speaker 2: the time of the Cuban missile crisis where someone within
- 46:56Speaker 2: the government proposed this idea where we would send troops
- 47:00Speaker 2: to Cuba, but instead of doing US military shit, they
- 47:04Speaker 2: would pretend to be terrorists and commit acts of terror,
- 47:08Speaker 2: posing as Cuban nationals all in an attempt to basically
- 47:13Speaker 2: garner support for the US invading Cuba, which is insane.
- 47:18Speaker 2: It was them proposing that we literally kill US soldiers
- 47:21Speaker 2: to get the country more interested in going to war.
- 47:25Speaker 3: So were these soldiers privy?
- 47:27Speaker 2: No, no, no one was. And that's the thing, like
- 47:30Speaker 2: that doctor's so.
- 47:31Speaker 3: Many layers of like, yeah, these soldiers work.
- 47:33Speaker 5: For the government being sacrificed.
- 47:37Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's dark, and like there's even when people
- 47:41Speaker 2: bring that up, like skeptic types will be like, yeah,
- 47:45Speaker 2: but they didn't do it, but they were considering it.
- 47:48Speaker 2: How do you know they haven't done it since then?
- 47:50Speaker 2: Like this was the fucking sixties and that's the one
- 47:53Speaker 2: document we've been able to uncover. They're good at hiding documents,
- 47:56Speaker 2: like we don't. It's shit, like this is totally possible,
- 48:01Speaker 2: especially if we have alien technology that they have.
- 48:03Speaker 4: The they have the advantage of power and money and
- 48:07Speaker 4: the media and really everything, and they could you know,
- 48:10Speaker 4: if they control the media. The information we're getting is
- 48:14Speaker 4: the information they want to give us.
- 48:15Speaker 2: And if any government in this world is going to
- 48:18Speaker 2: be the one to decide we should be the only one,
- 48:21Speaker 2: it's us, Like, it's absolutely us. Like we would be
- 48:24Speaker 2: the government that would do that kind of shit. So
- 48:27Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope we're not, you know, I'm
- 48:30Speaker 2: just I hope the free energies out there and that
- 48:32Speaker 2: we get it someday.
- 48:33Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean it's that would be.
- 48:36Speaker 5: That would be great, that would be wow.
- 48:39Speaker 2: Yeah, but wow, I hope it doesn't involve a pretend
- 48:44Speaker 2: alien invasion.
- 48:45Speaker 3: Well yeah, so that would be propaganda. So we the
- 48:48Speaker 3: way its propaganda. They just don't want to tell us
- 48:51Speaker 3: what's going on, Like, hey, this.
- 48:52Speaker 2: Is one of the one of the ways.
- 48:55Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like.
- 48:56Speaker 4: Pollution free, no cost energy, and it's they want to
- 49:01Speaker 4: It's just crazy that for financial benefit, this is being
- 49:04Speaker 4: hidden from the people, right.
- 49:07Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fucking depressing.
- 49:09Speaker 3: And that is this is not unprecedented stuff. So it's like, yeah,
- 49:14Speaker 3: this could happen.
- 49:15Speaker 2: And what's if if you you really want to get
- 49:19Speaker 2: deep conspiracy theory about it. One thing I came across
- 49:23Speaker 2: researching this is there is a a theory out there,
- 49:28Speaker 2: as it was posted by anonymous I think, but one
- 49:33Speaker 2: of the that that's one of the theories that that's
- 49:36Speaker 2: what's happening, and it's this nazi named uh where the
- 49:40Speaker 2: fuck is he because it's just so comforting. Werner von
- 49:43Speaker 2: Braun is a former Nazi who had at one point
- 49:49Speaker 2: suggested the idea that well, if we have reverse engineered craft,
- 49:53Speaker 2: maybe we should just use it as a way to
- 49:57Speaker 2: launch a false flag attack and take over the world.
- 50:00Speaker 2: And there's an interview out there with him where he mentions, well,
- 50:05Speaker 2: if something like that happens, there's going to be stages
- 50:08Speaker 2: where first your enemy is like Russia, and then the
- 50:12Speaker 2: enemy is going to be like Muslims.
- 50:14Speaker 3: This is a layered false flat attack.
- 50:17Speaker 2: And the way he explained it was, once it gets
- 50:21Speaker 2: to your enemy as aliens, it's done. Like that's it's starting.
- 50:26Speaker 3: Well, then you have people. People are going to band together.
- 50:28Speaker 2: Right, and he mentions space force. He's like, once there's
- 50:33Speaker 2: you know, like once you see your government like setting
- 50:35Speaker 2: up a space force to like fight off asteroids, next
- 50:39Speaker 2: it's going to be aliens, and then your government's going
- 50:41Speaker 2: to take over the world.
- 50:42Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we that's been a long standing theory,
- 50:46Speaker 4: the you know, one world order, the central or new
- 50:49Speaker 4: world Yeah, the central you know, banking system, central government.
- 50:53Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy how having someone like Trump in
- 50:57Speaker 2: office makes all of that feel possible.
- 51:00Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's just he doesn't care, you know,
- 51:03Speaker 3: like you didn't even care. He doesn't even pretend to grek.
- 51:05Speaker 2: Yeah, if any if any president in US history was
- 51:08Speaker 2: going to be the one to agree to consolidate all
- 51:11Speaker 2: the world's power under the United States, it would be him. Yeah.
- 51:14Speaker 4: I mean he's like an imperialist in a way, Like
- 51:16Speaker 4: he's just he wants to be a king.
- 51:18Speaker 3: He wants to hang out.
- 51:19Speaker 4: With with the Kremlin and just all these others, you know.
- 51:25Speaker 2: And it's a plane, and it's a plan that one
- 51:28Speaker 2: would make you rich, and two requires a person who
- 51:30Speaker 2: doesn't really care that much if people live or die.
- 51:33Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's it.
- 51:34Speaker 2: Oh fun, What a fun way to wrap this up.
- 51:39Speaker 2: I think we can all agree the aliens are coming.
- 51:42Speaker 2: Whether they're real or not, we don't know. It might
- 51:44Speaker 2: be a bunch of fucking navy pilots most UFOs that
- 51:48Speaker 2: invade eventually.
- 51:49Speaker 4: I think they're here. It's just again, the propaganda machine.
- 51:53Speaker 3: Is you know you think that.
- 51:55Speaker 2: Yeah, I buy that too. The works, Like I feel
- 51:57Speaker 2: like at this point and that Stephen Greer is it
- 52:00Speaker 2: right at the beginning of Unacknowledged, I feel like we
- 52:03Speaker 2: do have evidence, Like people argue, well, where's the evidence,
- 52:06Speaker 2: We've seen it? You just every time you see it,
- 52:08Speaker 2: you go okay, But I'm sure science can explain that.
- 52:10Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing is it's not being validated by
- 52:13Speaker 4: the sources that they that they trust.
- 52:16Speaker 3: And why do they.
- 52:16Speaker 4: Trust these resources or these sources, right because they were
- 52:19Speaker 4: sort of told to they're raised to. Yeah, exactly, So
- 52:23Speaker 4: you're not getting the validation from It's there's so much
- 52:26Speaker 4: programming and conditioning.
- 52:27Speaker 2: And we're doomed. We are doomed. Well, I think that's
- 52:33Speaker 2: our episode. Thank you so much for doing it. This
- 52:36Speaker 2: was so much fun.
- 52:38Speaker 3: We're No, I don't think we're doomed.
- 52:40Speaker 4: I think it's all I think there's a lot of
- 52:44Speaker 4: insanity going on, and.
- 52:48Speaker 3: I don't know it's all perspective.
- 52:50Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we could pull out of it. We
- 52:52Speaker 2: pulled out of World War two eventually. I'm just trying
- 52:56Speaker 2: to like optimistice dyeing world War two. I don't remember.
- 53:02Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I do remember. Holy shit, that was
- 53:07Speaker 2: a joke.
- 53:07Speaker 3: But I think you know what that does.
- 53:09Speaker 4: That does annoy me when people discrediting reliable sources.
- 53:15Speaker 3: That bothers me a lot.
- 53:17Speaker 2: Yeah, discrediting reliable sources and relying on unreliable sources provided
- 53:22Speaker 2: they're discrediting what you want to discredit.
- 53:25Speaker 3: Mass manipulation.
- 53:26Speaker 2: Yeah, God damn it. Uh So, thank you so much
- 53:33Speaker 2: for doing this. I'll definitely have you back on.
- 53:35Speaker 3: I'd love to.
- 53:36Speaker 2: This was a lot of fun. Uh what do you have?
- 53:39Speaker 2: The plug? Before we get out of here.
- 53:40Speaker 4: So, Facial Recognition Comedy has upcoming shows in July.
- 53:45Speaker 3: What does that? When does this episode?
- 53:46Speaker 2: What a great name for a comedy show to plug
- 53:48Speaker 2: on a conspiracy theory podcast. That's great. What we're gonna say?
- 53:52Speaker 3: When does this episode drop?
- 53:54Speaker 2: This will be out in two weeks?
- 53:57Speaker 3: Okay? Perfect?
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- 54:00Speaker 4: Comedy Theater in Santa Monica.
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- 54:11Speaker 3: And then we're at New York Comedy Club that Friday.
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