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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:05S1: and crew.
- 0:06S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
- 0:11S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
- 0:14S1: Start your morning with a laugh.
- 0:16S2: Cold spaghetti's. Great. Okay.
- 0:19S3: Okay, I disagree. I guess not. No, I guess certainly
- 0:22S3: it is not. No. Okay, well, man, I'm going back.
- 0:26S2: To my bachelor days. I guess I thought cold spaghetti
- 0:29S2: was universally loved.
- 0:31S4: I've never been known for, like, high levels of coordination.
- 0:34S4: That's just. It feels like.
- 0:37S2: I've never been known for high levels of coordination.
- 0:42S1: Delivering the truth daily.
- 0:44S4: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:48S4: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
- 0:52S4: that would make it worth it.
- 0:53S5: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:56S5: the life source, which is God.
- 0:59S6: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 1:02S6: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 1:06S6: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 1:10S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 1:15S1: and crew.
- 1:16S2: Sometimes you're gone so long you wonder if maybe you
- 1:19S2: appear to have aged.
- 1:22S3: Yeah.
- 1:23S2: Do I, do I appear to have aged?
- 1:26S3: No.
- 1:26S2: You'd be good to me. You guys.
- 1:28S3: Like you.
- 1:29S2: You'd be good to me. Alli's hesitating.
- 1:31S4: I had to do a double.
- 1:32S3: Take and make sure.
- 1:33S4: That I could still recognize you. But not because of age. Just. Just.
- 1:37S4: I forgot what you looked like.
- 1:38S2: I don't have a beard. I just kept shaving that off. Oh, boy.
- 1:42S2: It's good to be back in the saddle again. Yeah,
- 1:47S2: it's good to be back, man. And, uh. Oh, boy.
- 1:50S2: Blaze is crazier than ever, and.
- 1:53S3: Oh, boy, you.
- 1:54S6: I'm sure.
- 1:54S2: Yeah, he's a funny guy. He's a funny guy. So
- 1:58S2: here we are. Ali.
- 2:00S4: Welcome back.
- 2:01S2: It's good to be back.
- 2:01S4: You've been missed.
- 2:03S2: I missed you guys, I really did. It's, uh. Sometimes
- 2:07S2: you get back from a break and you're going. I
- 2:09S2: need a break. This time I'm like, no, I've had
- 2:12S2: a good break. I went away to a place that
- 2:15S2: is going to remain undisclosed, doing some little bit of fun,
- 2:20S2: but a whole lot of ministry. And boy, things are
- 2:25S2: very difficult for saints around the globe. That's all I
- 2:28S2: can say. Ali.
- 2:30S4: Yeah. And you know, we get we have enough conversations
- 2:32S4: here on Carl and crew to get, I think, a
- 2:35S4: good picture of that to keep that hopefully at the
- 2:39S4: forefront because it's easy to just it's not like that.
- 2:41S4: It gets often reported mainstream media in the West. It
- 2:45S4: just doesn't. Every once in a while a headline will
- 2:48S4: pop up here and there. But the reality of the
- 2:50S4: day to day life in so many different places.
- 2:54S2: Yeah, man. I mean, it's so real. It's it's so
- 2:57S2: good to get off the soil of this continent and
- 3:00S2: to go meet some saints in places where I mean
- 3:06S2: to take a stand for Christ and be bold. It's man.
- 3:10S2: It's risky. It is risky. And if it's not risky,
- 3:14S2: it's costly. Uh, you know where I was. And again,
- 3:19S2: I can't share where I was that would put some
- 3:22S2: people that we were partnered up with in harm's way
- 3:25S2: really would. Um, but where my bride and I went
- 3:29S2: for some time, week and a half, actually. It is
- 3:34S2: costly to follow Jesus. It just is costly. And it's
- 3:38S2: growing in risk. And without giving away too much, it's
- 3:45S2: just there's, there's a growing across the globe. There are
- 3:52S2: certain places that have been high risk for gospel witness
- 3:56S2: for centuries. 2000 years.
- 3:59S3: Sure.
- 3:59S2: But then there's other places that are growing in that. And,
- 4:03S2: and it's tough. And we were in one of those places.
- 4:06S2: So it's good to be back. I love those 15
- 4:09S2: hour plane rides. Don't you love those Ali.
- 4:12S4: Wow, those are tough.
- 4:13S2: 15 well.
- 4:15S4: 1445 1450 I think the longest flight I've ever been
- 4:19S4: on was 12.
- 4:21S2: That's a.
- 4:21S3: Long one.
- 4:22S4: It's a long one. And then sometimes you got to
- 4:25S4: get off and then pop back on for two hours
- 4:28S4: or something. And I found that like that second like
- 4:30S4: two hour flight can sometimes be the one that gets
- 4:32S4: you because you're like, I just did 12 hours. Like,
- 4:36S4: I can't, I can't do another minute on this bird.
- 4:40S2: Yeah. I had a little four hour flight leading up
- 4:43S2: to the, to the big one.
- 4:44S4: Yeah. Those are, those can be, um, two.
- 4:48S2: It's just back to back and it's something else, man.
- 4:51S2: But it was, it was a great trip and.
- 4:55S3: Oh.
- 4:56S2: My goodness. It's so inspirational to watch people who are
- 4:59S2: really walking it out for the Lord and it's humbling.
- 5:04S2: You know what I mean?
- 5:05S3: Sure.
- 5:05S2: Really humbling. You know, I'm sitting there sharing with a
- 5:08S2: group of 120 pastors and wives for several days, just
- 5:13S2: pouring out our heart. And I just open with the
- 5:17S2: fact that I've got more to learn from you than
- 5:19S2: you do from me. That is a fact. And it's true.
- 5:24S2: I mean, these people are rich in faith, man. Simple,
- 5:28S2: honest to God faith. And it's one of the coolest
- 5:32S2: things to behold. Well, any crazy stuff happened while I
- 5:35S2: was gone here.
- 5:36S6: Oh, man.
- 5:37S2: Oh, thunder. Okay. I walk in, he's gone.
- 5:39S6: He needed.
- 5:40S3: A rest. Ali.
- 5:41S2: What was she up to? You want to go ahead?
- 5:43S6: She was just telling you.
- 5:44S3: Just. It was.
- 5:45S4: Crazy.
- 5:45S6: It was tough.
- 5:46S4: Pure craziness. You know me.
- 5:49S3: Yeah.
- 5:50S2: That's why I'm.
- 5:51S3: Asking. Yeah.
- 5:52S2: No, I. Tongue in cheek.
- 5:53S3: My goodness.
- 5:54S6: Good.
- 5:54S3: Yeah.
- 5:55S2: Ali. Ali's an even keeled kid, right?
- 5:59S6: She is. And she's amazing. So. No. Oh, that did it.
- 6:02S6: She did excellent in holding the fort, but very glad
- 6:05S6: to have you back. Oh, excellent job holding the fort.
- 6:08S6: She really.
- 6:08S3: Did.
- 6:09S2: Yeah, I knew she would. Well, guys, we got a
- 6:11S2: lot going on. And speaking of in harm's way, we
- 6:15S2: want to talk with someone. I got to get an
- 6:17S2: update and see what's shakin here. Oh, we got a.
- 6:21S2: I mean, what's happening in Iran? All I'm. All I
- 6:25S2: can tell you is this. And it's probably no surprise.
- 6:27S2: I flew through some airspace that I was looking out
- 6:31S2: my window because I was on the right side, knowing
- 6:35S2: that there had been some drones that had been lobbed
- 6:39S2: into some countries for which we had to fly in
- 6:42S2: and out of. And I'm like, man, we are in airspace.
- 6:47S2: That's within reach of drones. But then you go, there's
- 6:50S2: some people on the ground where those things are coming
- 6:54S2: from and the price they're paying to follow Jesus is enormous.
- 6:59S2: It just gives you a great perspective, really good perspective.
- 7:03S2: But that's what we want to get Doctor Sherry. It's
- 7:06S2: going to be coming up here in a little bit guys.
- 7:08S2: Let's get an update. What's happening with our Iranian brothers
- 7:11S2: and sisters. And is regime change coming.
- 7:16S1: She was trying to earn her way to God. But
- 7:19S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in
- 7:22S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 7:26S2: Hey, Hormoz. I am really curious. Um, do you have
- 7:31S2: any more Intel on what's going on with Iran? I mean,
- 7:34S2: we've we know we've got a kind of a double
- 7:36S2: blockade in the her most strait. We know that there's
- 7:39S2: even Intel reports that the Iranian regime has gotten some
- 7:43S2: of their silos up and going again, which is tough
- 7:46S2: to hear. But what's what's happening here? Is there hope
- 7:51S2: for regime change still? What do you hold? What are
- 7:54S2: you hearing?
- 7:55S7: People want the regime change. That's what they're hoping. And
- 7:58S7: they have paid a big price and they don't mind
- 8:01S7: to pay more price. That's why the Iranians, for the
- 8:06S7: most part, except the people with the government, which is
- 8:09S7: about 1 or 2 million out of 90 some million
- 8:12S7: who are with the government. And they have unfortunately, they
- 8:15S7: are the ones who have the guns. So people of Iran,
- 8:18S7: they really want a regime change at any cost. That's why, surprisingly,
- 8:24S7: they welcomed the war. They love Trump. They love Netanyahu,
- 8:29S7: and they welcome the war, even though they know that
- 8:33S7: they are paying a big price. It's very hard. In Iran,
- 8:36S7: groceries are scarce. I'm in touch with our leaders in Iran,
- 8:39S7: as you may know. We have an underground church network
- 8:42S7: in Iran. We have many leaders in Iran, and we
- 8:45S7: are we are in touch with them. So our life
- 8:48S7: is miserable. But they're saying, let's let's finish. Hey, Trump,
- 8:53S7: finish what you started. Don't negotiate. When they hear about
- 8:56S7: the negotiation or ceasefire, they become depressed and hopeless. Yeah.
- 9:02S7: They want this war to continue and say, we are
- 9:04S7: we are ready to pay a price. We already have
- 9:06S7: paid price. If this government stays, we're paying price with
- 9:09S7: our lives. So let's finish the job, continue until the
- 9:14S7: the regime is down. That's what they're asking Trump, which
- 9:17S7: they call Uncle Trump, and they call Netanyahu, Bibi, Bibi,
- 9:21S7: my beloved Bibi.
- 9:22S3: They call it.
- 9:23S7: They have made a love song for Bibi. They sing and.
- 9:26S7: And now that there was a cease fire in Iran,
- 9:29S7: I know that there are some fires back and forth
- 9:32S7: in the in the Strait of Hormuz, but people are
- 9:36S7: very discouraged and depressed right now. The people of Iran,
- 9:40S7: because they're thinking Trump is coming to an agreement with
- 9:45S7: them and it's not going to. The government is still here.
- 9:48S7: And then the Trump will go and this government will
- 9:52S7: take care of her. By the way, if this government stays,
- 9:56S7: there will be a great massacre of people. This government
- 10:00S7: will kill many, and they have said it already. They've
- 10:03S7: said they're going to kill if you have to kill 100,000,
- 10:05S7: if you have to kill 1 million, we will do that.
- 10:08S7: And persecution. A new wave of persecution will be here.
- 10:13S7: If this government stays, many Christians will be killed. So
- 10:17S7: you need to pray about it. Pray for the downfall
- 10:20S7: of this government.
- 10:21S4: Doctor Shariat with us. He's the founder and president of
- 10:24S4: Iran Alive Ministries, which uses satellite broadcasting and the internet
- 10:27S4: to reach Iranians with the gospel. Now I'm pulling some
- 10:30S4: some stats from your own website. Hormoz population of about
- 10:34S4: 84 million people, about 2 million identify as Christians. The
- 10:38S4: church in Iran, one of the most persecuted in the world.
- 10:42S4: No church gatherings are permitted. Bibles are prohibited and difficult
- 10:46S4: to find. hopelessness and despair have caused suicide rates and
- 10:50S4: drug addictions to skyrocket. Now this was this has been
- 10:53S4: true even before the most recent conflict. How much worse now?
- 10:59S7: Well, I'm in touch with our leaders, and that's a
- 11:02S7: good picture. When I talk to our leaders in Iran,
- 11:05S7: they say two things. They say a life is so hard. And, um, because, uh,
- 11:13S7: there is no grocery. And what what is it? There's
- 11:15S7: very expensive. So they cannot afford even buying eggs. They
- 11:19S7: don't know where their next meal is, uh, comes from.
- 11:23S7: And that's why we have a campaign to help the
- 11:25S7: Christians in Iran, starting with leaders. We have already started
- 11:29S7: in three cities, about 20 families, every city that's our
- 11:32S7: current campaign and people who want to help their brothers
- 11:36S7: and sisters in Iran, especially those who are serving, they're
- 11:39S7: putting their lives on the line. So that's one thing.
- 11:41S7: That miserable life. Uh, the government is hoarding the limited resources.
- 11:46S7: The common people don't even have food right now. They
- 11:50S7: don't have jobs. Like I talked to one of our leaders,
- 11:53S7: she said. They're kicking me out of my apartment. I
- 11:57S7: cannot pay because I have limited resources. Things have become
- 12:02S7: expensive and either I have to just eat, you know,
- 12:06S7: survive with basics of eating or pay rent, and I
- 12:10S7: cannot pay rent. They're kicking me out and even my
- 12:13S7: meal is is not there for sure. At the same time,
- 12:18S7: you know, she was not the first one, but at
- 12:21S7: the same time, our leaders in Iran, they say life
- 12:23S7: is very miserable. But at the same time, the heaven
- 12:26S7: is open. The people are coming to Christ. This lady
- 12:29S7: who said, they're kicking me out of my apartment, I
- 12:32S7: was depressed, was discouraged. But even with the voice of depression, discouragement,
- 12:38S7: she just adds at the end, by the way, I'm
- 12:41S7: sharing the gospel with friends and family members and strangers,
- 12:44S7: and I'm leading so many people to.
- 12:45S3: Christ, man.
- 12:46S2: So this is such good. Good news in the in
- 12:50S2: the midst of absolute tragedy and the risk of losing life.
- 12:54S2: It's it's rough. Doctor Herman shared our guest here. We're
- 12:57S2: going to get more stories about what's going on. And
- 13:01S2: I want to get one point of clarity because I
- 13:03S2: did hear on a network station that, uh, they're hearing
- 13:07S2: that people don't want this war to start again. I
- 13:09S2: want some clarity on that one because I think we
- 13:11S2: sometimes get some news that's a little bit tweaked, guys.
- 13:15S2: It's rough in Iran. Stories of hope, though, coming up.
- 13:19S1: You're listening to Colonel and Crew on Moody Radio.
- 13:23S2: Christianity Today calls him the most influential Iranian American. And
- 13:28S2: he's also been labeled the Billy Graham of Iran. Doctor,
- 13:30S2: share it with us really quickly here. I heard a
- 13:34S2: report and I look there's so many different motivations for
- 13:38S2: cherry picking things, but their report on a network was
- 13:41S2: that the Iranian people are terrified of this war starting again.
- 13:45S2: What say you, Hermas?
- 13:48S7: Well, let me clarify that, because one of our interviews
- 13:51S7: with major networks, they asked me the same thing. So
- 13:54S7: we read, we go to social media and people of
- 13:57S7: Iran are against this war. I said, you are, uh,
- 14:02S7: you must be more alert than you are. You're a reporter.
- 14:06S7: Just tell me who is on internet right now. They
- 14:09S7: have cut off internet for three months. When you go
- 14:13S7: to social media, who is posting it? It's a it's
- 14:16S7: a government cyber army that's posting. They have they're the
- 14:20S7: only ones access to internet. So don't believe that the
- 14:23S7: people of Iran want freedom. They feel they're hostages. They're
- 14:27S7: they're feeling they feel they're being captives in the hands
- 14:30S7: of their enemies. That's why they welcome Trump and Netanyahu.
- 14:34S7: They see them not as invaders and foreign foreign armies
- 14:38S7: invading their countries. They see these people, Us and Netanyahu
- 14:43S7: and Israel. They see them as Liberation Army and they
- 14:46S7: welcome them. So on this war. But they wanted to
- 14:49S7: resolve not just war and suffering. And then nothing happens.
- 14:53S7: But they want resolve them, especially Christians, if they will
- 14:57S7: be in trouble if this government stays. Let me share
- 15:01S7: a couple of things. Like I was talking to one
- 15:03S7: of our leaders. Uh, you know, I was training and
- 15:06S7: those leaders from Iran cannot be there because of internet.
- 15:09S7: Sometimes they're there. And I saw, uh, just last Monday,
- 15:13S7: I was teaching them, encouraging them on a Zoom call.
- 15:16S7: And I saw in the corner of my eyes, one
- 15:18S7: of our leaders was just crying, just crying. I stopped
- 15:22S7: and said, what are you doing? What's happening? Why are
- 15:24S7: you crying? She said, I'm I'm an online pastor. I
- 15:27S7: have 80 people in my online. Of course, most of
- 15:30S7: them cannot come because of the internet. But she said,
- 15:34S7: I just heard out of 85 people were killed or
- 15:40S7: Were killed on the streets. So she was she was
- 15:44S7: crying at the same time. Another story, another time. One
- 15:47S7: of our leaders, I talked to him and he said,
- 15:50S7: you know, pastor, what happened? He said, I was I
- 15:53S7: became a Christian and my family were devout Muslims. They
- 15:56S7: started persecuting me. They disowned me. They just communicate with me.
- 16:00S7: And they haven't been talking to me for months. And
- 16:03S7: the worst of them, he said, was my uncle said,
- 16:06S7: my uncle was so devout. Six months ago he told me,
- 16:09S7: I will turn you in. I will give you your
- 16:11S7: name and the government will arrest you. And when they
- 16:14S7: are hanging you, they're killing you. I was standing there.
- 16:17S7: I will be enjoying the you're killing your execution. And
- 16:22S7: he said, you know what happened? No communication for the
- 16:24S7: last six months. He said, but I got a phone
- 16:27S7: call from my uncle last night. So do you know
- 16:30S7: what he said? No, what I what did he say?
- 16:33S7: He said my uncle, who wanted to turn me, turn
- 16:36S7: me in. After six months of no communication, he calls
- 16:39S7: me last night and he tells me, please tell me
- 16:42S7: about Jesus.
- 16:43S3: Wow. Wow. Wow.
- 16:45S7: The government's cruelty. Many Muslims are saying if this is Islam.
- 16:49S7: 40,000 young people were killed in January, brutal on the streets.
- 16:55S7: And they're executing these young people every day, a few
- 16:57S7: every day. So many Muslims, devout Muslims, saying, if this
- 17:01S7: is Islam, we don't want it. What else is out there?
- 17:04S7: That's right. Tell me about Jesus.
- 17:07S2: Yeah. And, you know, we don't have much time here,
- 17:10S2: but I got to tell you, I did a deep
- 17:11S2: dive last night knowing you were going to be in
- 17:13S2: here today. And it Iran is absolutely, unequivocally the fastest
- 17:21S2: growing church in the world. Isn't that something, Ali?
- 17:25S4: That's wild.
- 17:26S3: I mean, wild.
- 17:27S2: It's it's on fire. One more quick story before we
- 17:31S2: cut you loose, Hermosa.
- 17:33S7: Well, I had the you know, we have a daily
- 17:35S7: program to serve the people of Iran. And just last
- 17:38S7: week I had this mother who a 16 year old daughter.
- 17:42S7: They were on the streets protesting and their government shut.
- 17:46S7: And her daughter died in her arms. And she had
- 17:52S7: she just had come to Christ a few weeks before that.
- 17:55S7: And I had her on my show interviewing her, and
- 17:59S7: she was crying on camera. And she was saying at
- 18:03S7: the same time, but Jesus, she says, I'm crying. I
- 18:06S7: lost my my daughter in my arms. She died. But
- 18:10S7: at the same time, I have joy. I have peace
- 18:14S7: in my heart. And you know, this few weeks old
- 18:17S7: have new Christian started sharing the gospel on my show,
- 18:23S7: bravely asking everybody, Jesus is the way he. If you
- 18:27S7: want peace in the midst of misery, Jesus is the one.
- 18:30S7: Come to Jesus. She became an evangelist, a new believer,
- 18:33S7: just lost. Lost her daughter, but she loved Jesus. She
- 18:38S7: loved people and shared the gospel. And that's another story.
- 18:41S7: People in Iran, Muslim background, people who come to Christ,
- 18:45S7: they become witnesses. They cannot stop not talking about Jesus.
- 18:50S7: They tell people. That's why Iran has the fastest growing
- 18:54S7: evangelical population. Yes, media, yes, but people are witnessing to
- 18:58S7: each other.
- 18:59S4: Oh, Doctor Sherry, thank you so much for this update
- 19:02S4: this morning. Text alive. If you want more on this
- 19:05S4: great ministry including how to pray, just text alive to
- 19:09S4: 805 557898 805 557898. Just text alive.
- 19:20S2: Carl and crew and yep, I got back and everything's
- 19:23S2: in place. And Ali says, I haven't aged a lot.
- 19:26S3: A lot.
- 19:28S4: That's not what I was saying.
- 19:29S6: That yeah.
- 19:30S2: Not too much. I asked if I had appeared to
- 19:32S2: have aged and she did a double take. So I'm like, well,
- 19:35S2: hold on.
- 19:36S3: Here a second.
- 19:36S4: I said I hadn't seen you in so long. I
- 19:39S4: barely remembered what you looked like.
- 19:43S2: Oh, goodness. Okay. Uh, Ellie, you had a sit down
- 19:47S2: with somebody?
- 19:48S4: Yeah. This is. Oh, boy. This is kind of a
- 19:50S4: Freedom Friday on a Thursday kind of interview. Coming up,
- 19:53S4: we have a special guest. She's a new, new to
- 19:56S4: our program. But, boy, she had a life that many
- 20:00S4: would envy from the outside looking in. But when you
- 20:04S4: started to peel back the layers, there was so much pain,
- 20:07S4: so much heartache hiding under that fur coat in that
- 20:11S4: nice vehicle.
- 20:12S3: Oh, man.
- 20:13S4: But boy, oh boy. Her testimony of how God has
- 20:16S4: restored her and her marriage. Coming up here on Carl
- 20:20S4: and crew.
- 20:20S1: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and
- 20:23S1: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
- 20:27S4: Well, we've established in life experience will often confirm that
- 20:31S4: what you see is not always what you get that
- 20:35S4: you can't judge a book by its cover, and then
- 20:37S4: cue up every other cliché that drives home the same
- 20:40S4: message that you got to dig a little deeper to
- 20:43S4: sometimes see what's really going on. My guest this morning,
- 20:46S4: that was absolutely her story from the outside looking in.
- 20:50S4: There was so much that was even enviable about her lifestyle.
- 20:55S4: She married the co-owner of the New York Yankees. She
- 21:00S4: lived a great lifestyle, a great job, had so many
- 21:06S4: things going on. But Vicki Rose joining us right now
- 21:10S4: behind the scenes was a different story. Let's let's start
- 21:14S4: with the outside. Tell me a little bit about the
- 21:18S4: life that you were living that others would have looked
- 21:20S4: to and went, ah, I want a little bit of that.
- 21:23S8: And I thought that's what it was all about. What
- 21:25S8: I wore like I had a white fur coat husband
- 21:28S8: on my arm and a beautiful heart diamond pendant he'd
- 21:32S8: given me for our first Christmas. And I thought, these
- 21:35S8: are the things that we're going to make me happy.
- 21:37S8: And I think part of that happiness would be back then.
- 21:40S8: This was a long time ago. Sure. That people would
- 21:43S8: see me and think, well, she's got it made because
- 21:45S8: that is so much of our culture.
- 21:47S4: How important was that to you? Was that something that mattered?
- 21:51S4: Did you pursue the kind of lifestyle that would make
- 21:54S4: others go, oh, wow, she's got it going on?
- 21:56S8: Well, it's not so much that I pursued it for
- 21:58S8: others to admire as much as I pursued it, because
- 22:01S8: I thought that's what happiness was. I thought that is
- 22:04S8: what would make me happy. I just graduated from college.
- 22:07S8: When I met my husband and I had dated in college,
- 22:10S8: a poor, starving artist. We couldn't, you know, we couldn't
- 22:13S8: really go much on dates, you know, walk around campus
- 22:16S8: and sit in the coffee shop. And so I met
- 22:18S8: my husband and he took me to a fancy restaurant
- 22:21S8: in New York Rangers hockey game. And I thought, okay,
- 22:23S8: this is it. This is going to be happiness. Long
- 22:27S8: stemmed red roses arrived after our second or third date. So,
- 22:31S8: you know, I thought, oh, this is good, this is happiness.
- 22:34S4: How soon did you start to see that boy? This
- 22:39S4: isn't what I thought it was going to be.
- 22:41S8: At some level, it happened even before we got married.
- 22:44S8: We we got engaged. We went on a trip to
- 22:47S8: Italy with his parents for two weeks, and I came
- 22:51S8: back from that thinking, oh boy, I don't know if
- 22:53S8: I can do this. And I even told my, my
- 22:55S8: best friend at the time, I was like, I don't
- 22:57S8: know if this is really going to work, but if
- 22:59S8: it doesn't, I can always get a divorce.
- 23:01S4: Wow. So you went into it with even that kind
- 23:03S4: of in the back of your mind.
- 23:05S8: I did, and pushing me from inside was if I
- 23:09S8: get married, everything will just work out. That's where happiness
- 23:12S8: will be. And you know, as I said, my my
- 23:15S8: mom had just died at the end of high school,
- 23:17S8: my 12th grade year. My dad had remarried. I felt
- 23:21S8: a little like I didn't it wasn't home anymore because
- 23:24S8: it wasn't my mom and dad. And I thought, if
- 23:26S8: I just get married, this will fill the void that
- 23:29S8: I didn't even realize was a a void. This will
- 23:31S8: fill the void and I will be happy.
- 23:33S4: Vicki Rose, our guest. She's a strong Bible teacher with
- 23:37S4: a relevant, life changing message of hope. Her book is
- 23:40S4: called Every Reason to Leave and Why We Chose to
- 23:44S4: Stay Together. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about
- 23:47S4: what seem like the demise of your marriage.
- 23:52S8: So we married in 1977, which, if you do the math,
- 23:55S8: points to the fact that we're about to celebrate our
- 23:57S8: 50th wedding anniversary. But the demise of the marriage. My
- 24:01S8: husband started dabbling with cocaine and some of his college friends,
- 24:06S8: and it grew into a terrible addiction. We had two children.
- 24:10S8: After five years of marriage. We had first our son
- 24:13S8: and our daughter, and he opened a sports bar where
- 24:16S8: he spent all of his time and doing lines of
- 24:19S8: cocaine and all sorts of other things that were not
- 24:22S8: good and definitely not good for our marriage. Sure. And I,
- 24:26S8: I came to the place where I could not do
- 24:29S8: that anymore. I was basically a single mom, but he'd
- 24:32S8: come home from the restaurant at like three, 4 or
- 24:35S8: 5 in the morning, which was about the time I
- 24:37S8: was about to get up with two, a baby and
- 24:39S8: a toddler. And it was really painful and it was sad.
- 24:43S8: I thought something was wrong with me. I had no idea.
- 24:45S8: I didn't know anything about addiction. And we finally asked
- 24:49S8: him to leave and we separated after about nine years,
- 24:52S8: almost ten years of marriage.
- 24:54S4: And by your own admission, you know, you had things
- 24:57S4: going on in your personal life, uh, as well that
- 25:01S4: were not great for the marriage. Right?
- 25:03S8: Right. I gave up everything about myself. Like I just
- 25:07S8: latched on to him and rode his thing. We didn't
- 25:11S8: see my friends, really. I stopped going to ice skating,
- 25:14S8: which I loved. I just sort of stopped, you know,
- 25:18S8: being who I was. And and that worked for a
- 25:20S8: short time, but not in the long term at all.
- 25:23S4: Yeah. Vicky rose with us. The book, Every Reason to
- 25:26S4: Leave and Why we Chose to stay together. Coming up.
- 25:30S4: Five year separation. On the verge of divorce. But God intervened.
- 25:36S4: First in their own life. Before their marriage, he did
- 25:41S4: a work in them. Coming up.
- 25:44S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 25:49S4: Got a special guest. As we are talking about sticking
- 25:51S4: with it, the title of our guest book, Vicky Rose.
- 25:54S4: The book is called Every Reason to Leave and Why
- 25:56S4: We Chose to Stay Together. You were separated from your
- 26:00S4: husband who was co-owner of the New York Yankees. There
- 26:03S4: was a. You were living a great lifestyle on the outside,
- 26:07S4: but the marriage was crumbling through addiction, through infidelity, through betrayal.
- 26:13S4: At what point did you realize this isn't working? And
- 26:16S4: the marriage you had already decided wasn't working? But when
- 26:19S4: did it become less about the marriage and more about
- 26:21S4: what was going on in your own heart?
- 26:23S8: So the day after we separated, I went to a
- 26:26S8: 12 step meeting and started to learn about addiction and
- 26:29S8: that I had my own issues. Like it was really
- 26:31S8: easy to focus on everything my husband was doing wrong.
- 26:33S8: And believe me, I did. And I told anyone who
- 26:35S8: would listen everything that was wrong with him. And then
- 26:38S8: when I started going to a 12 step program, learned
- 26:41S8: about a higher power and all the things I started
- 26:44S8: to have to reckon with myself, like, who am I?
- 26:47S8: Where you know, what's really important. And I kept going
- 26:51S8: to meetings, but they kept talking about this higher power.
- 26:53S8: And it wasn't until November of 1987 where I was
- 26:58S8: invited to a dinner party, a black tie dinner party
- 27:01S8: by Mrs. Arthur S DeMoss at the Waldorf Astoria black
- 27:05S8: tie to meet and hear Donald Hodel, Secretary of the interior,
- 27:09S8: talk about Christianity in the world today. Wow. And honestly,
- 27:13S8: it was a black tie. I thought, ooh, opportunity to
- 27:15S8: go out and get dressed up, which is a single
- 27:18S8: mom now. A year and a half in, I didn't
- 27:20S8: really have opportunity to do so. I really responded to
- 27:23S8: that invitation. But at that night, I heard the Gospel
- 27:27S8: of Jesus Christ for the first time, even though I had,
- 27:30S8: at the age of ten, grown up in church. I
- 27:32S8: had never heard that God loved me and had a
- 27:34S8: plan for my life, that I was separated from God
- 27:37S8: by what the Bible calls sin, and that God gave
- 27:40S8: his only son, Jesus, to pay the penalty for my
- 27:43S8: sin by his death on the cross, and that if
- 27:46S8: I believed in him, my sins would be completely forgiven
- 27:50S8: and I would be given the gift of eternal life.
- 27:52S8: And that night, at that dinner at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel
- 27:55S8: in New York City, with 900 people having accepted the invitation,
- 27:59S8: I prayed to receive Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
- 28:02S8: At that very moment, my sins were gone in God's sight,
- 28:07S8: and I was filled with the Holy Spirit. And Jesus
- 28:10S8: started to lead my life. And the speaker at that
- 28:13S8: dinner invited anybody who wanted to, to attend a Bible study.
- 28:17S8: And I could not get there fast enough to go
- 28:20S8: to Bible study. A week after the dinner and I
- 28:23S8: started to learn about who the Lord is and his
- 28:26S8: love for me, and that my identity was not in
- 28:29S8: my fur coat or diamond heart pendant, but in Jesus,
- 28:32S8: and that there was no condemnation for me anymore in
- 28:35S8: my life and that I was God's daughter. He'd called me.
- 28:39S8: He'd summoned me by name. Wow. And it was like this.
- 28:44S8: This weight lifted, and I had joy for the first time.
- 28:47S8: And I started to be grateful. Like in the past,
- 28:50S8: before I knew the Lord, nothing was good enough. I
- 28:53S8: always wanted more. And nothing filled that place, that hole
- 28:56S8: deep inside me that I now had learned could only
- 29:00S8: be filled by God himself.
- 29:01S4: Wow. Oh so beautifully put, you know. How soon did
- 29:06S4: you start to pray for your husband? What? How did
- 29:10S4: your heart feel toward him after you now have a
- 29:13S4: brand new heart?
- 29:14S8: Right. So, um, the woman who had invited me to
- 29:18S8: this dinner gave me a book called Leading Little Ones
- 29:21S8: to God, and I started reading it to our two
- 29:23S8: children at breakfast just to, like, calm down because I
- 29:26S8: had to get them to preschool and me to work.
- 29:28S8: I had gone back to work when we separated. So
- 29:32S8: one morning, Doug, at that point, he was six years old.
- 29:35S8: He said as I was reading this devotional book to him,
- 29:39S8: he said, mom, we need to pray for daddy to
- 29:40S8: know Jesus. And Courtney quickly agreed. And so in my mind,
- 29:45S8: I thought, pray for him. I'd rather kill him. But
- 29:48S8: I thought I didn't want to say that out loud
- 29:51S8: to the children and I, which I didn't. Thank you Lord.
- 29:54S8: And I said, um, yeah, you're right. We need to
- 29:57S8: pray for daddy to know Jesus. And so we started
- 29:59S8: that morning, every morning at breakfast and every night as
- 30:02S8: I tucked them into bed, we prayed for their dad
- 30:04S8: to come to know Jesus. And three years later, I
- 30:09S8: stopped my full time job in retail and I went
- 30:11S8: to work at the ministry, started inviting my husband, and
- 30:15S8: three years after we had started praying for him, he
- 30:18S8: also prayed to receive Christ.
- 30:20S4: Wow.
- 30:21S8: I should add that we are both Jewish, and we
- 30:24S8: had both turned to know that our true Messiah is
- 30:27S8: Jesus Christ the Lord.
- 30:29S4: Unbelievable.
- 30:31S8: So it is somewhat. Yes, but I'm here to tell
- 30:34S8: you it's true.
- 30:35S4: It's absolutely true. This actually happened.
- 30:38S3: Every.
- 30:38S8: Every minute of it. This happened. And there was a
- 30:40S8: lot of pain and a lot of joy. So Billy,
- 30:43S8: after he prayed to receive Christ in December of 1990,
- 30:47S8: he went into rehab a few weeks later for drugs,
- 30:51S8: and we started counseling together. And God just did miraculous things.
- 30:56S8: Like we heard someone preach at my church where Billy had.
- 31:00S8: Now he was going on weekends. On Sundays we'd go
- 31:03S8: to church together as a family, and this is before
- 31:05S8: we had moved back home and we. There was a
- 31:08S8: guest preacher and I turned to Billy. During the sermon.
- 31:11S8: I said, I know that I've been introduced to him
- 31:13S8: and I know he would counsel us. And it turned
- 31:17S8: out it just so turned out that that man was
- 31:21S8: the chaplain for the New York Yankees, of which my
- 31:23S8: husband was a limited partner, not a co-owner, but a
- 31:26S8: limited partner of the Yankees. And so, I mean, there
- 31:30S8: was someone my husband was quickly willing and excited to
- 31:33S8: talk to because the guy was involved in baseball. And
- 31:36S8: so there we were. We had someone to counsel us.
- 31:39S8: We spent a year in counseling, and then Billy came
- 31:42S8: home at the end of 1991 after five and a
- 31:46S8: half years of being separated.
- 31:47S4: Wow. You know, the title of your book, Every Reason
- 31:51S4: to Leave and Why We Chose to Stay Together. You know,
- 31:54S4: it's amazing how during that separation, like when you came
- 31:58S4: back together, you were each getting a new spouse in
- 32:01S4: a lot of ways. I mean, yes. I mean, you
- 32:05S4: were different people.
- 32:06S8: There was a lot of the old, too. Sure. We
- 32:08S8: needed we needed a lot of help. And thankfully, we.
- 32:12S8: So promote counseling, biblically based counseling. We needed a lot
- 32:16S8: of help. And we got a lot of help. And
- 32:19S8: here we are. You know, I just when I think
- 32:21S8: about all of it. I'm reminded that the family unit
- 32:25S8: was God's plan. You know, he said, fill the earth
- 32:27S8: and multiply. And his word is what's so important and
- 32:32S8: is what kept me waiting for my husband and eventually
- 32:36S8: brought my husband. He started watching the evangelist on TV,
- 32:40S8: and that's what led him to accept my invitation to
- 32:43S8: a dinner at the ministry where he prayed to receive Christ. Wow.
- 32:45S8: And so, God, you know, when you seek first his
- 32:49S8: kingdom and his righteousness, when each of us does that,
- 32:53S8: that builds our marriage more than anything else. And the scriptures,
- 32:57S8: the Word of God gave each of us the reason
- 33:00S8: to return to our marriage and to work at it.
- 33:03S8: It hasn't all been easy or pretty honestly. There have
- 33:06S8: been some very hard, challenging times, but I think that's
- 33:10S8: life and marriage itself. As we're about to celebrate our
- 33:13S8: 50th anniversary next February, we're rejoicing. We've been able to
- 33:17S8: stand as one whole family at both our children's high
- 33:20S8: school graduations, college graduations, god honoring weddings, and the birth
- 33:25S8: of six grandchildren. And both our children and their spouses
- 33:29S8: are walking with the Lord, and all our grandchildren are
- 33:32S8: being raised to know Jesus. And both our children live
- 33:35S8: in the same city. And now we have a home here.
- 33:39S8: Last night, 11 of the 12 of us were sitting
- 33:41S8: watching the two youngest boys, age nine, playing Little League
- 33:44S8: baseball in the same team.
- 33:47S4: I mean.
- 33:48S8: And Billy and I are so grateful that we stuck
- 33:53S8: it out through it all because we're in our 70s now.
- 33:56S8: We have each other. As we look back over all
- 34:00S8: we've walked through, that gives us a depth in our
- 34:02S8: marriage and a and a security, knowing that we're both perseveres,
- 34:07S8: who are willing to work through whatever we face. That's
- 34:10S8: a good.
- 34:10S4: Thing. Vicky Rose thing. Awesome. That's a God thing. You're right.
- 34:14S4: Vicky rose. Uh, so thank you. So grateful to you
- 34:17S4: for joining us this morning. The book is called Every
- 34:19S4: Reason to Leave and Why We Chose to Stay Together.
- 34:22S4: Just text reason to (800) 555-7898. Text reason to (800) 555-7898.
- 34:32S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to cast
- 34:36S1: and crew.
- 34:38S2: Well, we're sticking with it in here. Yes siree Bob.
- 34:42S4: Sticking with it. How many times did you, when you
- 34:46S4: were running the Iditarod 1100 mile dog race? From where
- 34:49S4: did it start?
- 34:50S2: Anchorage.
- 34:50S4: Anchorage to Nome.
- 34:52S3: Yeah.
- 34:52S4: Did you how many times did you contemplate giving up?
- 34:56S2: That's a good question. So two things. Number one, I
- 35:00S2: never thought I wouldn't make it okay. But did I
- 35:04S2: think about giving up? Yeah. So both can co-exist.
- 35:08S3: I know it sounds.
- 35:09S2: Kind of weird, but they did. Oh. Yeah. I mean,
- 35:16S2: I got into a couple of spots. I haven't shared
- 35:19S2: this one I got into. Oh, where was I? And
- 35:22S2: Vic was in and Vic was in Anvik village on
- 35:26S2: the Yukon River. Yeah, it was Anvik. So I got,
- 35:28S2: I came into Anvik. I was so totally depleted. I
- 35:34S2: mean toast. Yeah, I was absolute toast. And here's the
- 35:38S2: problem with those endurance adventure kind of excursions. I don't
- 35:42S2: care what it is. Like ultramarathon I saw, I saw
- 35:45S2: a clip of a guy that was sitting in his car.
- 35:48S2: He's got all his water bottles strapped on him, and
- 35:51S2: he's got a bunch of sunscreen just gooped all over
- 35:55S2: his face. And I'm like, what is going on? This
- 35:57S2: guy says, I'm just sitting here in about two minutes,
- 36:00S2: I'm gonna get out of my car and I'm going
- 36:02S2: to go start a 250 mile ultramarathon.
- 36:05S4: Oh, my.
- 36:05S2: And I'm like, yeah, that's what I thought. Ali. I'm like,
- 36:09S2: come on, marathon. Nah, not for me. My wife's done
- 36:14S2: two Chicagos, but I'm like, I was glad to cheer
- 36:16S2: her on, but an ultra 250 miles.
- 36:20S4: That's insane.
- 36:22S2: No. That's insane. So here's the problem with ultra races
- 36:27S2: like that. No matter how physically fit an 18 year
- 36:31S2: old is because of circadian rhythms and the body's ability
- 36:35S2: to you're still growing at 18, and so your body
- 36:40S2: needs more sleep. And I'm trying to keep up with
- 36:43S2: these old timers, you know. I mean, they were like
- 36:45S2: 30 years old.
- 36:46S4: Old timers.
- 36:47S2: I'm trying to keep up with these old guys. Now,
- 36:50S2: what's wild is they're all dying. All those guys that
- 36:53S2: are in the Iditarod with I mean, they're dropping dead
- 36:55S2: left and right because they, you know, they're 70, 80,
- 36:59S2: 90 years old. I mean, they're getting up there. But
- 37:01S2: when I was running the race, they were 30, 40
- 37:04S2: and 50. Isn't that.
- 37:05S3: Wild?
- 37:05S4: Yeah. That is wild.
- 37:06S2: It's just crazy. But no, I mean, I came into
- 37:09S2: an alley talking about sticking with it. I was so
- 37:13S2: exhausted and I. To keep pace with the guys I
- 37:16S2: wanted to stay with. I really needed to just sleep
- 37:19S2: like three hours and I'm just like, forget it. I
- 37:25S2: can't do it. I slept ten and when I got up,
- 37:30S2: my team was so ready to go. They're like, dude,
- 37:32S2: what's going on? You okay? I'm like, no, I'm not okay.
- 37:36S2: Thank you very.
- 37:37S4: Much. You just you just kind of hunker down and sleep.
- 37:41S2: I slept by a wood wood stove on that one.
- 37:44S2: I fed my team, got them all bedded down on
- 37:46S2: some straw, and I told them, guys, I got a crash.
- 37:49S2: I mean, I'd gone like four days at this point
- 37:51S2: with like, a couple hours of sleep. So yeah, I
- 37:55S2: was I thinking about quitting? Yeah, but I wasn't. It's
- 38:01S2: a weird thing. It's like, this is stupid. What am
- 38:04S2: I doing to my body? But ten hours of sleep,
- 38:07S2: I was ready to rumble.
- 38:09S4: It's amazing how sometimes a little bit of sleep and
- 38:12S4: a little bit of food. It's biblical. That's what you need.
- 38:17S2: Can take you a long way. Uh, it's good to
- 38:19S2: be back in the saddle here with you guys. And
- 38:21S2: I've been teasing Ali Astro when I walked in. Hey,
- 38:24S2: have I aged? And the sad part is, she did
- 38:28S2: a double take, which, like.
- 38:29S4: Who is that? Oh, it's Carl. I forgot what he
- 38:33S4: looked like. He's been gone so long.
- 38:35S2: Yeah. And where I went, did we have some fun
- 38:38S2: and see a couple of sights. Yeah. But we this
- 38:41S2: was a ministry effort and we went to a place
- 38:45S2: that I can't disclose where I went. I, I mean,
- 38:49S2: there's a few people around us that know where we went,
- 38:52S2: but we just can't go public with it. It would
- 38:54S2: put people forget us. That's not the issue. It's the
- 38:58S2: people that we were visiting that would be in harms way.
- 39:02S2: And this world's small. They track a lot of stuff
- 39:05S2: these days, man.
- 39:06S4: Very much so.
- 39:07S2: I mean, they they got their antennas up. So speaking
- 39:12S2: of sticking with it, more than. Sleep deprivation is the
- 39:16S2: amount of people who we met with and tried to encourage.
- 39:21S2: And we did. God's spirit just moved. Man. Oh, I
- 39:26S2: can't see even what language it was in, but we
- 39:28S2: learned a song that's one of the most beautiful worship songs.
- 39:32S2: It's in another language. So I, I'm sitting there, I've got,
- 39:37S2: I've got AI with me. So I boom, take a
- 39:40S2: picture of the slide, take a picture of the next slide, boom,
- 39:43S2: take a picture of the third slide, boom, and, uh,
- 39:46S2: translate the words. And I'm like, wow, this thing's rock solid.
- 39:49S2: I got to learn the language. So I learned the
- 39:51S2: language to get the song in over a few days time.
- 39:53S2: We sang that thing probably 20 times, and it was
- 39:58S2: that powerhouse man. And to hear these people erupting in
- 40:02S2: praise and I'm like, guys, tone it down. This is
- 40:06S2: like a massive, like magnet for people that don't want
- 40:11S2: us talking Jesus in this country, but they they're like,
- 40:15S2: we're going to let it rip. I mean, it, it
- 40:17S2: almost ripped the pick and concrete roof off that place.
- 40:21S2: It was epic. I mean, you hear sometimes sound systems
- 40:25S2: that are so loud, they're like, somebody turn it down.
- 40:28S2: This was people.
- 40:29S4: Wow.
- 40:31S2: Just Bellerin and I turned around at one point because
- 40:34S2: sometimes I like to look and I'm sitting in the
- 40:37S2: front row. And sometimes I like to look at what's
- 40:39S2: going on guys. I turn around, there's tears streaming down faces,
- 40:44S2: there's hands straight up in the air. And there were
- 40:47S2: they knew the song by heart. So eyes are closed.
- 40:50S2: And I'm like, man, there was a group of like
- 40:54S2: six young dudes that are church planters that sat right
- 40:57S2: behind me. These guys, I had such a time with them.
- 41:01S2: These dudes are fire breathers. They're like 19, 20, 25,
- 41:06S2: 26 years old. I mean, on fire. And they left religion, family,
- 41:14S2: friends to follow Jesus and it puts you in harm's way.
- 41:18S2: So speaking of sticking with it, anything worth sticking with
- 41:21S2: here stateside just kind of fades into the background compared
- 41:25S2: to these brothers, man.
- 41:27S4: You know, those those trips are so eye opening. Oh.
- 41:32S2: I mean, you went you you still can't say where
- 41:34S2: you went, right?
- 41:35S4: Right.
- 41:36S2: Uh, where you went. It's an eye opener there.
- 41:41S4: Any place where you see the cost, you see what?
- 41:47S4: The sacrifice. And sometimes, you know, the, the, the blessing
- 41:52S4: of living in a place where there's not. I mean,
- 41:56S4: praise God, we don't face persecution. So we certainly are
- 42:00S4: not like wanting that to come our way.
- 42:03S2: Not like, you know, when you get a taste of persecution.
- 42:08S2: And then you hear persecution stateside here, you're like, hey,
- 42:11S2: slow down here a minute. I mean, I don't doubt
- 42:13S2: there are people being persecuted.
- 42:15S4: There's opposition. Yeah, there's always opposition. But the freedom that
- 42:19S4: we have to worship to gather.
- 42:21S2: To take it for granted.
- 42:23S4: Yeah.
- 42:24S2: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's epic and it's humbling, man.
- 42:31S2: It's humbling to see these people lifting up their voices.
- 42:34S2: And I'm telling you, I had the I had one
- 42:37S2: of the most amazing things happen. So we were kind
- 42:41S2: of coached up, not to lie, but to how to
- 42:44S2: frame this trip. Right. Yeah. And we come to customs
- 42:49S2: and I'm walking up and I, I don't get scared,
- 42:52S2: but I got a little bit nervous and I'm like,
- 42:56S2: oh boy. And there's two guys standing there and there's
- 42:58S2: no one in line. So I'm like, oh, great. We
- 43:00S2: got their full attention, which is bad news. I want
- 43:04S2: there to be a crowd. And it's like just me
- 43:05S2: and Jubes walking up to immigration to go into this country.
- 43:10S2: And all of a sudden as I'm walking up to him,
- 43:14S2: I'm realizing these guys are laughing their heads off and
- 43:17S2: they're just hucking it up about something and they ask
- 43:22S2: for passports. And I plopped them down. And then two
- 43:26S2: other dudes showed up in this cube with these guys,
- 43:30S2: and pretty quick, they're all for hucking it up. I mean,
- 43:33S2: laughing their heads off about who knows what because they're
- 43:36S2: speaking a language. I don't have a clue. All I'm
- 43:38S2: glad is they aren't laughing at me. So everything's good.
- 43:40S2: They're laughing about something. Who knows what it was? Yeah.
- 43:44S2: Might have had a crush on a girl. Something happened at.
- 43:47S4: Work. Funny. YouTube.
- 43:48S2: Yeah. Who knows what it was. But they were laughing
- 43:51S2: their heads off so much so the guy didn't say
- 43:54S2: two words to me. Didn't ask me one question. Where
- 43:59S2: are you going? What are you doing? I got the
- 44:01S2: itinerary there that's got, you know, a few sites that
- 44:05S2: we're going to go see and all that stuff. I
- 44:07S2: got it all laid out. My bride's standing right next
- 44:10S2: to me and we're like, all right, not one question. Boom,
- 44:15S2: stamps that sucker, get them, boom, stamps hers. And we
- 44:19S2: had to do the little camera job, you know, stand
- 44:21S2: here and I'm like, oh boy, here we go. Not
- 44:24S2: one question. And I asked the guy we were traveling
- 44:27S2: with who had already been in country for a few days.
- 44:31S2: I didn't ask him. He asked me. He goes, how'd
- 44:33S2: it go? I go, we didn't get a question. He goes, no,
- 44:38S2: I said, not one question. I said, these guys are
- 44:41S2: hooking it up. There were two and then two joined them.
- 44:43S2: They just belly laughing over something going on and they
- 44:47S2: didn't ask me one question. They didn't even look at me.
- 44:50S2: They're like, boom, boom, just stamp that sucker. And he's like,
- 44:54S2: that doesn't happen. So that's from God.
- 44:57S4: Wow.
- 44:58S2: That's from God. I gotta believe it. Maybe God saw
- 45:02S2: what was going to happen. And he's like, Carl's going
- 45:04S2: to blow it. So let's just get a YouTube clip.
- 45:06S2: Them laughing about a YouTube clip. Carl's going to blow it.
- 45:10S2: He's gonna be back on a plane next flight out
- 45:13S2: of there.
- 45:15S6: Protect my son here. Get him through.
- 45:18S2: Yeah, here's here's what we're going to do. This. Get
- 45:21S2: the guy on the right. Remembering something super funny he
- 45:24S2: saw on a YouTube short. Isn't it? Oh, when we
- 45:29S2: get to glory, won't it be fun to look back
- 45:32S2: and go. That's how that went down.
- 45:34S4: Yeah, yeah, that'll be so cool. If we get that
- 45:38S4: kind of perspective and the ability to see what was
- 45:41S4: really going on.
- 45:42S2: Yeah, it was so cool. Okay, coming up here, we
- 45:46S2: got a lot going on here today, but man, there's
- 45:51S2: a certain kind of theme for this month, right?
- 45:53S4: Yeah. There's so many things happening in the month of May.
- 45:55S4: We've been pointing out there are proms, there are graduations,
- 45:58S4: there are so many celebrations, but there's also awareness needed.
- 46:03S4: Foster Care Awareness Month is in the month of May.
- 46:06S4: We want to bring you some updates and some opportunities
- 46:09S4: that we as a church can step in.
- 46:11S1: Want to hear that again? Just download the Carl and
- 46:14S1: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
- 46:17S4: I remember growing up and when my mom got a
- 46:20S4: job after being a stay at home mom for many years,
- 46:24S4: she got a job working in the child welfare system.
- 46:27S4: And the beauty of it is that you get to
- 46:30S4: really help children connect them to families who can provide
- 46:34S4: a supportive, loving home, sometimes for short seasons, sometimes for longer.
- 46:38S4: But the heartbreaking side is that you hear stories that
- 46:42S4: absolutely rip your heart out of the things that so
- 46:45S4: many children endure. Um, abuse, trauma, neglect, oftentimes some combination there.
- 46:52S4: Doctor Sharon, for joining us this morning. It is National
- 46:55S4: Foster Care Awareness month. What about foster care is often
- 47:00S4: most often misunderstood. We'll start there.
- 47:04S9: I think that what is most misunderstood about foster care
- 47:09S9: is that the children who come into care are bad kids. Mhm.
- 47:14S9: That they are. They've done something wrong and that they
- 47:18S9: need to come into care so that government can get
- 47:20S9: a hold of them and and straighten them out. That
- 47:23S9: is so far from the truth about kids who are
- 47:26S9: in the child welfare system and the everyday foster care home.
- 47:30S9: I think the second misunderstanding is that there are plenty
- 47:35S9: and abundance of families who are saying, oh, use me,
- 47:38S9: use me, use my family to care for this child
- 47:42S9: who's been harmed and abused. That's also not true. Every
- 47:46S9: day all across the country, there are kids who are
- 47:49S9: coming into care. There are workers who are scrambling to
- 47:53S9: find an appropriate foster home for that child, so that
- 47:58S9: that child can be first protected, second nurtured, and given
- 48:03S9: an opportunity to heal from what they've experienced in life.
- 48:08S4: Doctor Sharon Ford with us this morning, nationally recognized child
- 48:11S4: welfare consultant, a retired manager for permanency services for the
- 48:15S4: Colorado Department of Human Services. She currently serves as director
- 48:19S4: for foster care and adoption at focus on the Family.
- 48:22S4: Give me your own story and kind of your big
- 48:25S4: why for your commitment to this issue.
- 48:28S9: My big story is that family means everything. I was
- 48:32S9: raised in a family. Um, my dad was serving in
- 48:35S9: the military, in the Army. And boy, every three years
- 48:38S9: we moved to a new base. But going back to
- 48:41S9: see my grandparents, both maternal and paternal, was everything to us.
- 48:45S9: And my dad made sure that we were connected, that
- 48:48S9: we knew our grandparents, we knew our aunts and uncles,
- 48:51S9: that we were connected in the community where we lived.
- 48:55S9: My dad was also very active in the community. And
- 48:58S9: so there were people who knew us, came to our home.
- 49:02S9: We went to their homes for dinner. We played with
- 49:04S9: their kids. And so we weren't forgotten, even though we
- 49:08S9: were moving every three years. And so I appreciate that
- 49:12S9: and know that that the kids who are in foster care,
- 49:16S9: that's what they need. They need family, they need connectedness.
- 49:20S9: They need a place where they can feel safe and wanted.
- 49:23S4: You mentioned the misconception about the children. You know, the
- 49:28S4: system in, in general and just kind of speaking with
- 49:32S4: like system with a capital S, not any particular state,
- 49:35S4: but the foster care system overall can feel like a
- 49:39S4: broken system. It can feel like there are there are
- 49:43S4: gaps there. There are horror stories that make the news
- 49:47S4: where nobody is being served well, sometimes is what is thought.
- 49:52S4: And so the response from many people is to kind
- 49:54S4: of opt out altogether. The combination of what people believe
- 49:58S4: about the children and what people believe about the system
- 50:01S4: has likely contributed to the shortage of families that you mentioned.
- 50:06S4: AM I is that an accurate take? Please correct me
- 50:08S4: if you believe differently.
- 50:10S9: You just got an A plus on that summary because
- 50:13S9: that that is so, so true. People are intimidated by
- 50:17S9: what they don't know. But what I can tell you
- 50:20S9: is that even a broken system needs help. And one family,
- 50:26S9: the next family, the next family coming forward to say,
- 50:30S9: I want to step into the messiness of child welfare
- 50:35S9: so that I can make a difference. I can be
- 50:37S9: there for that child. And being there for that child
- 50:41S9: is going to make all the difference in the world.
- 50:44S9: Even when the system is broken, even when there's not
- 50:47S9: enough caseworkers, even when there's not enough mental health services
- 50:51S9: to be able to be provided for that child who's
- 50:54S9: been experiencing trauma in their home. Even though that the
- 50:58S9: school system is frayed and thinking, well, how can I
- 51:02S9: serve this child when the child has been missing from
- 51:05S9: school half the year because they've been at home and
- 51:09S9: not been being educated? And so we can't continue to
- 51:13S9: fail this child or these children. We have the opportunity
- 51:18S9: to step up and to step in, to make a
- 51:21S9: difference in the life of a child, one child at
- 51:24S9: a time.
- 51:25S4: How can the church step in and help? And I
- 51:28S4: know many churches have and do so, but but generally speaking,
- 51:33S4: what can the church do here?
- 51:36S9: Honestly, I believe the church is the answer. And let
- 51:39S9: me tell you why the church is the answer. Because
- 51:42S9: the church is God's hospitality station, God's first aid station
- 51:48S9: to minister to the children who are coming into care,
- 51:52S9: but to also love on that family who is caring
- 51:56S9: for the children while they're in care, and who would
- 52:00S9: also welcome that birth family who are wanting to be healed,
- 52:06S9: needing supportive services, want to repent from the harm that
- 52:10S9: they've done. We serve a God who is a redeemer.
- 52:14S9: He redeemed us. And so the Church of Hospitality, the
- 52:18S9: church's first aid, the church is knowing and understanding that
- 52:22S9: we've all fallen short of the glory of God. And
- 52:25S9: here's an opportunity for him to for us to be
- 52:27S9: his hands and feet. We can not only love on
- 52:30S9: that family who's harmed the child and not judge because
- 52:34S9: he says, don't judge. But we can also love on
- 52:37S9: that child to a place of healing and wholeness, so
- 52:41S9: that we can for the future, that child can grow
- 52:45S9: and learn and and be seen and understood and loved.
- 52:51S9: We all want love.
- 52:53S4: And some people have maybe mistakenly believed that love is enough.
- 53:00S4: And in God we love. His love is sufficient. His
- 53:04S4: grace is sufficient. But when it comes to the practical
- 53:07S4: challenges of parenting, a child and no child comes into
- 53:11S4: the foster care system without a level of trauma, because
- 53:14S4: the separation in and of itself is a trauma. And
- 53:17S4: so there's the intimidation factor. Speak to that. I mean,
- 53:20S4: so many parents feel like, well, I can love, but
- 53:23S4: I don't know if I could manage maybe the behavioral
- 53:27S4: needs or challenges or sometimes the medical needs and challenges.
- 53:31S4: And I certainly don't want to do more harm than good.
- 53:35S9: What I say to that is if God called you
- 53:38S9: to it, he will provide for you and see you
- 53:41S9: through it. I firmly believe that with all my heart, mind, body,
- 53:45S9: and soul. And so if you ask God, God, how
- 53:48S9: would you like to use my family to make a
- 53:51S9: difference in the life of a child. Listen to God's
- 53:54S9: voice and he will show you what role. Everybody's not
- 53:57S9: to be a foster parent ally, because that's not where
- 54:01S9: their strengths are. But everybody can do something. What is
- 54:04S9: that something you can do? Maybe you're supposed to be
- 54:07S9: the family that supports the family. Who is fostering caring
- 54:11S9: for the child. Maybe you're supposed to help with the homework.
- 54:14S9: Maybe you're supposed to help them learn how to ride
- 54:16S9: a bike. Maybe you're supposed to help them with their
- 54:20S9: reading because some of our children are behind educationally, and
- 54:24S9: they need help getting caught up. Maybe you're just supposed
- 54:27S9: to be that friend. They can make a difference.
- 54:31S4: Doctor Sharon Ford with us this morning. We are talking
- 54:34S4: about National Foster Care Month. Happy to bring awareness to
- 54:37S4: this important, important topic. If you want more details, more
- 54:41S4: information to learn more, just text foster to 805 557898,
- 54:47S4: text foster to 805 557898.