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  Speaker 1: But Eagles Cowboys tomorrow night right here on ninety seven
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  to three ESPN breaking it down for us, of course,
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  from the Inside the Birds podcasts, Inside the Birds dot
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  Com and Philly Voice. Jeff Moscher's in the house here
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  on the Sports Bast Live on ninety seven three ESPN.
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  Speaker 2: Most we got a game tomorrow. We got a game tomorrow,
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  I know.
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  Speaker 3: Man Philly's Brewers wrapping it up tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little double disco tomorrow four o'clock for the
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  pills and then of course eight o'clock eight twenty if
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  you want to be technical for the Eagles, you know
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  where You've answered so many questions. We looked at it
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  from so many different angles. But as they go into
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  this game tomorrow night, this Cowboys team, you know, is
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  there one spot in this particular just this matchup that
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  you're zoned in on for Tomorrow night, that you're gonna say, Hey,
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  it's Eagles Cowboys, this is the matchup in this game
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  I'm locked in on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good question, Mike. I think this.
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  Speaker 4: The Cowboys have been a one dimensional passing offman for
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  the last few years, and it's been ceedee Lamb catching
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  a truckload of passes occasionally Jake Ferguson, we'll get in there.
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  Speaker 3: He was hurt last year.
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  Speaker 4: I think this would have been one of those games
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  where are you able to hear me by the way
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  I got you? Yep, okay. This would have been one
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  of those games where I think Vic Fangio would have said, Hey,
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  I got this Quinna Mitchell guy. Been training him to
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  work right and left. I can trail him on CD
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  Lamb all game long and just block down everybody else.
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  I'll feel comfortable with right because.
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  Speaker 3: That's the guy.
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  Speaker 4: But now that George Pickens is added to the mix
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  and he generally lines up in an ex position Pickens does,
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  I mean he is a typical big body, strong, physical
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  athletic X receiver like AJ Brown, just different different skill sets,
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  but body type or what they do is play that
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  X spot. So that means Lamb is going to move
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  round right to the slot. He's gonna play the Z.
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  He's gonna move around. Uh, and you're not gonna probably
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  trail Quinnon Mitchell on him because I don't know if
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  they feel comfortable then flipping Adorri Jackson whoever over there
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  on on Pickens right because he's a pretty good receiver
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  and Dak loves to throw the ball down the field.
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  So that's sort of the matchup is how do they
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  contend with Ceedee Lamb against their number two slash number
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  three corners. Now, Cooper de Jean's a good slot, so
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  you'll feel comfortable they are if there have to be
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  some man.
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  Speaker 3: But just in general, what is there?
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  Speaker 4: I guess we're really gonna we're really gonna find out
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  about that number two corner position pretty quickly here because
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  of a guy like Ceedee Lamb.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so that's one spot definitely, you know, because you're right.
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  Vic Andrews said Quinon will move around with receivers, but
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  not particularly this week because they have two good receivers.
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  Speaker 2: That's one now.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff McClain tweeted out about a minute ago that Andrew
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  mccoba told him that he acte full all week, but
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  that Sidney Brown will start at safety. Mcuba will likely
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  play some on defense in certain personnel. According to McClain,
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  that Adorri Jackson, to no surprise, will start it outside.
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  But how different are they with mcuba versus Sidney Brown?
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  In your mind, they're two different players.
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  Speaker 4: Right right, and the player that whose skill set Vic
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  prefers is Andrew mccuba. There's no question about it. He
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  has the versatility, he has the understanding of where to
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  be in that defense and how to make plays, which
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  we saw in such a limited dose right in that
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  preseason game. And I know some of that is right
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  place right, but you have to be there to be
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  in the right place at the right time with the interception,
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  with the fumble recovery, there's no question Andrew mccuba is
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  the guy VIC wants to start, and I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong with Sidney Brown in terms of
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  he had his camp, he had.
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  Speaker 4: A decent camp, did what he was supposed to do,
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  but I just don't see him as the fit that
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  VIC needs. So it wouldn't shock me if you saw
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  Cooper de Gen out there quite a bit of safety,
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  especially in base and when they go to Nickel, maybe
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  you do see mccooper in there ahead of Sidney Brown.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking with Jeff Bosher, of course, football at four
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  here on the Sports Best Live ninety seven to three
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  ESPN Eagles and Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: Looking at obviously those two areas.
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  Speaker 1: Adri Jackson, whoever's matched up with him, I would imagine
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  that's one area where Dallas probably has a little bit
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  of advantage. Now, the safety spot looks like it's gonna
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  be Sidney Brown in that spot. Would you look at
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  those two as check Dallas. In those areas whoever's slided
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  up against a Dori and then the safety spot up
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  against you know, usually a running back or a tight
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  end or that third wide receiver. If you're Dallas, are
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  those the two areas where you think you can attack?
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  I would imagine if your Dallas, you probably think this
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  has to be a shootout kind of win.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, football is a matchups game for sure, but
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  I hate to kind of look at it that way
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  because it's not always one verse. But you're not always
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  in man coverage, and in fact, with the Eagles, you're
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  off in zone coverage. Right, So Jake Ferguson could catch
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  like seven or eight passes tomorrow night, and you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, if you're watching it at home.
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  Speaker 4: And you don't have the you know, the benefit of
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  the All twenty two or anything, you're like, oh man,
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  the safety's stink or the linebackers say, well, I mean,
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  what if Dak Prescott has four seconds to throw the ball,
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  anybody's going to get open in his zone there.
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  Speaker 1: So what you're talking about that, let's okay, go ahead.
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  I was gonna say, let's talk about that. Is it
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  a faint to complain to you that this pass rush
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  is going to be all over Dak Prescott tomorrow night?
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  Speaker 4: No, I mean they should. There are some individual battles.
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  This is where matchups matter that I think they can win.
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  It looks like the left tackle for the Cowboys going
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  to be able to play, but he didn't have a
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  great rookie season.
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  Speaker 3: His name is escaping me. I know, Tyler Guidon, right.
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  Speaker 4: They have so many guys Tyler's and the offensive line,
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  Tyler Smith, Trevor Booker, and Tyler Guidon right, a lot
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  of T's on the offensive line. So, but Guiden's a
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  guy that you know, you got to be able to
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  beat him at this stage of.
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  Speaker 3: The game because he's not ready yet.
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  Speaker 4: He may eventually beat a really good player, but not
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  ready yet. And even on the other side with.
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  Speaker 3: Terren, it's another tea the right tax.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to be able to beat him enough
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  to to make Dak have to throw that ball.
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  Speaker 1: That's another area like if at the end of the night,
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  if Jlyx Hunt struggles against Tyler Geyton that that should
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  be a concern for Philadelphia in terms of the big picture.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I never tried to put like one game,
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  you know, because there were some games last year where
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  those Edges, those young guys, you know, I mean Jaylex
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  Help was barely playing, and six weeks into the season
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  we were saying, you know, maybe Nolan Smith should be
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  an off ball linebacker because he really hasn't figured out
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  how to turn speed to power at the edge, and
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  then all of a sudden he comes alive.
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  Speaker 3: So you never want to do that on one game.
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  Speaker 4: Also, the Cowboys do have there with with their health
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  and with their weaponry, I expect them to be able
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  to move the ball. You know, they'ren't much of a
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  running game, so we'll see how much that impacts them.
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  But they can throw the ball to Lamb Ferguson, Jayden
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  Blue of the rookie and they can kind of do
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  what the Commanders did last The Commanders had a very
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  good game plan against the Eagles as far as how
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  they wanted to move the ball. They just turned the
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  ball over three times in the NFC Championship game.
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  Speaker 3: That you can't you don't draw that one up on
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  the playbook.
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  Speaker 4: But they know how to attack Vic's zone by going
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  to the flats, going over the middle of times, spacing
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  them out, and just trying to take that three to
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  five that the Eagles will give you.
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  Speaker 3: Because they're not gonna let you beat them deep. The
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  Cowboys have the arsenal to do that.
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  Speaker 4: So it'll be a nice little cat and mouse game
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  to see whether Vick feels he has to tighten some
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  things up, if he has to blitz a little more,
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  if he needs to get Campbell out of there and
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  try her in there just for a little bit more
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  sound back end defense.
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  Speaker 3: That's all gonna be on discison.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna say, you know, you got Campbell
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  in the pass game, probably like a fish out of
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  water in this situation at this level. And then I
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  was gonna kind of get your thoughts on how they're
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  different with Campbell as opposed to Deed because now Bond
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  got to play the mic instead.
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  Speaker 2: Of the will.
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  Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a different situation than what
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  the way the setup is last year. So how is
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  that linebacking core different with Dean out and Campbell in.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's different from an experience factor
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  more than a matchup factor.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that was.
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  Speaker 4: Nikobe Dean year three, knew exactly where it needed to be,
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  had stayed healthy until he wasn't and played really well Downhill,
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  became a leader, really emerged in Vic's defense. And like
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  you said, Campbell, I don't know that it's fish out
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  of water. It's not like he's not played the position,
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  but he is playing it at the NFL level for
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  the first time, and he's doing it against a team
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  that has some pretty good weapons that can attack the
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  interior in.
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  Speaker 3: Lamb and Ferguson and whoever else.
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  Speaker 4: You know, maybe schoon Maker will catch a few passes,
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  the running backs will catch a few passes, so.
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  Speaker 3: That'll be a little bit of a challenge, you know.
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  I think that the Cowboys are going to be able
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  to move the ball on the Eagles defense.
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  Speaker 4: They typically do when when Dak Prescott is healthy. He's
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  had a pretty good record against the Eagles. I know
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  that doesn't matter because coach is changing personnel, changes pretty
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  good quarterback, and he knows what to do and if
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  he's protected, he'll figure out he'll know where to go
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  with the football. I'm not saying I think the Cowboys
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  are gonna win. I just think that the Cowboys will
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  show you at times that they can move the football well.
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  Speaker 2: And you know that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: If Philadelphia is obviously the more talented team here and
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  Dallas obviously is taking their lumps because of the Parsons thing,
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  So that changes the dynamics.
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  Speaker 2: For them on defense.
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  Speaker 1: But if they are going to win this game, it's
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  a shootout type of game, and they have the weapons
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  to go back and forth, you would think and score
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  a bunch of points.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen them do it with lesser talent.
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  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yeah, I mean again, the health is matters
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  because they have three guys who I think that they
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  can rely on to work well with Dak obviously, CD
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  obviously Pickens, and Jake Ferguson when he's healthy and when
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  Dak's healthy is sort of an underrated combination if you
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  go look at when they're both healthy and on the field.
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  Ferguson's a pretty good third target, almost goddard like for them.
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  He's not as good, got it, but it's like the
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  way they use him. But yeah, the way they use
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  him is very similar as that third target, more so
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  than their slot receiver.
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  Speaker 3: Right. The question you'll have.
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  Speaker 4: Is can they can they rely on their offensive line,
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  which is pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see the left tackle is.
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  Speaker 4: An issue, but can they can they manufacture good running
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  yards without much of a running back room. I mean,
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  we'll see if Davonte Williams can can make something of
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  this part of his career now. And I know that
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  there's high hopes for Jayden Blue, but he was not
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  a workload back at all at Texas.
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  Speaker 3: He's kind of a change up back.
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  Speaker 4: And Miles Sanders has not been impactful since he left
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  the Eagles. So you gotta have an honest running game
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  to beat the Eagles, and because if you throw the
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  ball too much, you're bound to turn the ball over.
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  Speaker 3: Howles win.
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  Speaker 1: Dak Prescott thirteen games against Philadelphia, he is nine to four,
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  twenty four touchdowns, eight interceptions, thirty four hundred yards, and
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  he's completed sixty six percent of his pants. So with
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  DA has been healthy, he is generally now the problem
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  in the matchups has been Dak's healthy, Hurts has not
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  been healthy, or Hurts has been healthy and Dak has
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  not been healthy. They're both gonna play normally. We get
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  Cooper Rush versus Jalen Hurts. You know, it has been
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  the matchup the last couple of years. That's not the
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  case here. And when Dak has played against the Eagles,
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  he has had success.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Now, the one thing that's it's interesting because this is
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  almost like the Jalen Hurts argument.
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  Speaker 3: Right, he has won nine of thirteen games.
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  Speaker 4: That's if that's you know, like the Jalen Hurts you
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  know when we talk about him, he's a winner, that's
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  all that matters. But I would say the fact that
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  he's only thrown twenty four touchdowns. I think you said
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  in thirteen games. That's less than two touchdowns per game.
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  So it's not like he's lit it up against the
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  Eagles defense. He's completed a high percent of his passes,
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  he's moved the ball, he has won, but he's not
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  throwing two to three touchdowns a game. He's not bombing
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  on them like like you know Jayden Daniels did last
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  year at the five touchdown game.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, he hasn't had that. You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not like going through game by game, but you're right,
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  did the averages say that he's having good, solid games
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  against them?
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know about you.
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  Speaker 1: I feel that the Pickens CD Lamb duo is the
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  best complimentary pair receivers like they had Amari Cooper and CD.
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  But I think these two compliment each other better because
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  CD is kind of the underneath the possession guy hash
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  marks where Pickens will shoot down the field and beat
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  you down that way. So they have a very good
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  complimentary duo there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Pickens is the type of guy and this
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  is what why I think Dak can have a really
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  big year if he stays healthy.
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  Speaker 3: Where you just throw the ball down the field, who
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  get it? You know?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Jalen Hurts is a precise deep ball thrower.
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  Speaker 3: Not everybody can throw the ball as precisely down the field.
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  It's considered a low percentage pass.
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  Speaker 4: It's just that Jalen Hurts has made it look like
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  a high percentage pass because he's so good at it.
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  But Dak doesn't have to be when you have someone
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  like Pickens and even to an extent, aj Brown, but
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  Picktts has more of the.
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  Speaker 3: Vertical like go up and get it ability.
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  Speaker 4: You just throw it in his vicinity and he will
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  come down and get it.
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  Speaker 3: And that's gonna to me. That has the opportunity to
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  make Dax's year.
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  Speaker 4: This coming up with him and Ceedee Lamb, like you said,
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  complimenting each other. If they could just get some semblance
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  of a running game, they'll be all right, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Last year, Saquon Barkley had about twenty three hundred total yards.
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  You had two thousand rushing, two hundred and seventy five receiving.
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  What's a year that you can expect If he had
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  twenty three hundred total yards last year, just under twenty
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  three hundred, what should we be able to expect from
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  Saquon this year?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I think I've said this before, but this this year
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  is gonna be like that Mike Tyson phrase where everybody
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  has a plan until they get.
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  Speaker 3: Punched in the mouth.
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  Speaker 4: The Eagles have a really rough schedule, and I know
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  they want to take a little bit of the workload
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  off of Saquon Barkley. I don't want him having four
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  hundred and seventy five touches again. You know, they've brought
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  in aj Dillon, They've got Will Shipley in year two.
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  Speaker 3: But you know how coaches are.
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  Speaker 4: If it's a close game and they need some plays,
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  they're gonna give the ball to, say Kwon Barkley.
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  Speaker 3: He's their best player.
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  Speaker 4: He was just voted the number one player in all
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  of the NFL, in the top one hundred. So you know,
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  the best laid plans sometimes go to rest because things change.
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  So you know, I think the realistic expectation is if
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  he stays healthy, he's gonna get a lot of touches.
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  Speaker 3: In a lot of yards.
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  Speaker 1: Again, well, are they better quick with Shipley and Dylan?
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  Then last year with Gainwell? Gainwell was essentially the main back.
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  So was the role of the second guy bigger?
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  Speaker 4: It only is bigger if the situation allows it to be. So, yes,
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  the answer is yes. Will Shipley gives you more? Aj
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  Dillon surely can give you a little bit more as
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  a number three running back. But again, if it's fourteen
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  to ten in the third quarter and the fourth twenty
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  one to twenty, Barkley.
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  Speaker 3: Is going to be the one out there.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's it's gonna be seventy five to eighty
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  percent Barkley unless the Eagles can find some ways to
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  get production out of their running backs in the passing
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  game or the rushing game, but mostly really the passing
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  game that they weren't able to get from Kenny gainwell,
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  so they feel confident that they can still move the
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  ball even when Barkley's not out there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's look at the game on Thursday, and
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  I'll ask you this about the offense. Barkley obviously, is
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  this a pass night or a run night? They have
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  two good corners Bland and obviously Digs looks like he's
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  gonna play. So is this a night you attacked him
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  in the secondary? Is Dallas a team you can beat
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  in the air or is Dallas a.
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  Speaker 2: Team you ran all over them? Last year?
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  Speaker 1: They said we made a trade of our best pass
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  rusher because we needed to get better against the run.
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  They acquired a deep tackle. So is this team you
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  run on or is this a team you throw to win?
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  Speaker 4: Probably run because Mattie Refluce is a big zone guy
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  with two deep safeties.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he used to back in the day.
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  Speaker 4: He was a real Cover two kind of guy, which
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  invites the run because you have both safeties away from
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  the line of scrimmage. Now he has changed up a
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  little bit since going from the Colts to the Bears
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  and now the Cowboys. I did watch some of their
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  preseason tape. I don't put too much into it. But
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  he's not gonna blitz a whole lot. And it's week one,
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  so it's not like you've got like fifteen to twenty
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  minutes of you know, I'm sorry, it's not like you've
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  got six to eight weeks, I should say, of a
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  lot of tape or time like Spagnolo had for the
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  Super Bowl to figure out a way to stop.
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  Speaker 3: Saquon and make the passing game beat you.
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  Speaker 4: So I assume that it's going to be a run
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  game unless it can't be.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I want to ask you get your opinion
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  on this Our unsportsmanlike moment of the day today, Michelle
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  Smallman predicted that the Eagles will be the first repeat
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  winner in the NFSE East in twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: Do you consider that a bold prediction?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I do.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they are the favorite. They're the favorite.
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  Speaker 4: Oh well yeah, But do you know how many of
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  those teams that won the NFC East over the last
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  twenty years were actually favored to win the NFC East
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  again the next year?
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  Speaker 3: A majority of them were, So I mean.
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  Speaker 2: You're classifying that as a bold prediction?
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  Speaker 1: I am okay. That was her number two bold prediction
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  for the season that the Eagles will be the first
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  repeat winner in the East since two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how can it not be bold? Twenty years
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  is a long time, man. That's a lot of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: They are the betting favorite, and they're one of the
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  top three super Bowl You know, they're not the favorite
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  to win the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: They are.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, they're two teams tied for the best odds and
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  then the Eagles. It's the Ravens and the Bills are
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  both plus six hundred and Philadelphia's plus seven hundred.
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  Speaker 4: Well, my power rankings came out, my first one power
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  rankings on Philly Voice today, and I did have the
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  Ravens number one in the Eagles number two, and I
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  just it's simply to me they both have loaded rosters.
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  The Ravens lost nobody this offseason. They're over the second
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  half of last year. Their defense was second only to
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  the Eagles as far as total yards, endpoints, I believe,
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  and they brought everybody back. They added Jayi Alexander who
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  right now is healthy, and they've got you know, all
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  the They don't have as talented wide receivers as the
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  Eagles do, but they have an unbelievable quarterback, A great
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  tight end. Two, they've got a really good offensive line.
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  They have as good of a running back as there
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  is in Derek Henry. I just think they have fewer
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  questions because they lost fewer folks in the off season.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, the Eagles and Cowboys tomorrow night. Listen to
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  the game right here on ninety seven three ESBN, Jeff Boscher.
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  Speaker 2: The next time we talk, we will have seen a game.
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  Will we be talking about an Eagles win? Though?
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  Speaker 1: Can the Cowboys come here? All the hype? We know
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  how these games go. They have not gone well for
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  Philly teams. You know who's ringing the bell? They got
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  Allen iverson, Oh my gosh, and then they fall flat, right.
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  I mean, it seems at any time there's a big
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  night at the stadiums that the home team falls apart.
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  They did win the last time it was, but they
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  got booted halftime. It was a six to three game
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  against the Falcons. They came back and won that game
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  eighteen to twelve. But can Dallas come in here with
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  this offense, make it a high scoring shootout and steal
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  a win when pretty much nobody is looking at Dallas,
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  they're all laughing at him because of this Parsons thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, could they yes, will they no? That's my prediction,
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  all right.
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  Speaker 1: Simply put Jeff Bocher for football at four. He likes
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  the Eagles. It sounds like to win Opening Night listed
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  at all the action right here on ninety seven three ESPN.
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  Another season of football at four and over there right
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  inside the Birds. Got a bunch of stuff going on.
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  Check out everything on all podcasts, podcasting platforms, and of course,
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  Jess Power rankings are up right now over.
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  Speaker 2: At Philly Voice dot com. All right, most see you, Bud.
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  Speaker 3: Take care of Mike as