Latest / Heavyweight / #68 Songe
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- 0:15Speaker 1: Hi. How are you, Stevie?
- 0:25Speaker 2: Hi, Grandma.
- 0:26Speaker 1: What have you been doing?
- 0:28Speaker 2: I'm going to be hosting the second episode of this season.
- 0:31Speaker 1: Oh, so let me know and I'll put it on.
- 0:34Speaker 2: Have you ever had anything that you... I mean, you
- 0:36Speaker 2: know the point of the show. Have you ever had
- 0:39Speaker 2: anything that you want to apologize for?
- 0:41Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
- 0:43Speaker 1: There are probably many things. I'm sure I've been thoughtless
- 0:48Speaker 1: in many ways. You know what I say to my
- 0:51Speaker 1: daughters today?
- 0:52Speaker 4: I'm a b * * * *.
- 0:55Speaker 3: Grandma.
- 0:56Speaker 1: I don't know if I did a lot of things
- 0:58Speaker 1: on purpose. Right, right, right. But then again....
- 1:11Speaker 2: From Pushkin Industries, I'm Stevie Lane, and this is Heavyweight.
- 1:17Speaker 2: Today's episode, Song. Right after the break.
- 1:35Speaker 1: Hey, Song. Hi. How are you doing?
- 1:39Speaker 3: This is Song. All right.
- 1:48Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of peripheral noises coming
- 1:50Speaker 1: from me. But I guess that's part of the story, too.
- 1:54Speaker 2: Actions have consequences. The world is ruled by cause and effect.
- 1:59Speaker 2: So when Song tells the story of how he became
- 2:02Speaker 2: the person you're hearing today, it's hard for him not
- 2:05Speaker 2: to see it in karmic terms. His fate feels predetermined
- 2:09Speaker 2: by something that happened one day in 1983 when he
- 2:12Speaker 2: was eight years old. Song was living in Atlanta with
- 2:16Speaker 2: his dad.
- 2:17Speaker 1: And my father decided that he would send me to
- 2:21Speaker 1: a Muslim school. And I just went for a year.
- 2:24Speaker 2: Song's dad was Rastafarian and his mom Catholic. But for
- 2:29Speaker 2: this one year, he attended a strict Muslim school.
- 2:37Speaker 1: So, yeah, that day, the day in question, we had
- 2:43Speaker 1: mosque and prayer. One of the teachers told us that
- 2:50Speaker 1: there were three girls that had written a song praising Allah,
- 2:57Speaker 1: praising God, and they wanted to perform it for the school.
- 3:02Speaker 2: The teacher brought the three girls up, and in front
- 3:05Speaker 2: of everyone, they sang.
- 3:06Speaker 1: And it was a really cute song. I couldn't sing it.
- 3:13Speaker 2: Could you try to sing it?
- 3:15Speaker 1: Oh no, don't do that to me. The only part
- 3:21Speaker 1: I remember is at the end, it went, a la
- 3:24Speaker 1: whack bar, a la whack bar, repeated three times.
- 3:33Speaker 2: Song and two of his friends were sitting up front,
- 3:35Speaker 2: close to the girls.
- 3:37Speaker 1: One of my friends noticed that one of the girls
- 3:41Speaker 1: had a nervous tick, which was eye blinking, and pointed
- 3:46Speaker 1: it out, and the three of us started to laugh
- 3:51Speaker 1: about it.
- 3:52Speaker 2: Laugh and imitate the girl's tick. A teacher caught them
- 3:56Speaker 2: doing it, and after the girls were done singing, asked
- 3:59Speaker 2: Song and his friends to stand up. Then, to publicly
- 4:03Speaker 2: shame them for having mocked the.
- 4:05Speaker 1: Girl, he made us sing the song you know, in
- 4:09Speaker 1: front of the whole school and imitate her while we
- 4:13Speaker 1: were singing it. Oh, my God. So, yeah, we sang
- 4:18Speaker 1: the song, and we imitated her tick, and everybody laughed,
- 4:24Speaker 1: and everybody laughed.
- 4:31Speaker 2: I have to say, like, it strikes me as, like,
- 4:33Speaker 2: a really strange punishment because it feels like it would
- 4:36Speaker 2: just be doubly horrifying for her.
- 4:40Speaker 1: Right. I remember looking at her and she was crying.
- 4:50Speaker 1: And she was crying while we were singing it. I
- 4:52Speaker 1: remember she was crying afterwards.
- 4:56Speaker 2: What was going through your head?
- 4:58Speaker 1: I was ashamed. I was ashamed of having laughed at her. And,
- 5:05Speaker 1: of course, I felt terrible for her. I mean, that
- 5:08Speaker 1: also adds to the shame. is having to watch somebody
- 5:11Speaker 1: else in pain because of something that I had done.
- 5:20Speaker 2: Afterwards, Song and his friends were brought to a back
- 5:23Speaker 2: room where they were beaten with a large paddle.
- 5:26Speaker 1: That they called the Board of Education. It had that
- 5:29Speaker 1: written on the board. Wait, really?
- 5:31Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 5:32Speaker 1: It had holes drilled into it so that there would
- 5:34Speaker 1: be less wind reduction. Oh, my God.
- 5:39Speaker 2: Song's memory of the incident, though, ends there.
- 5:42Speaker 1: I don't remember any more interaction with her. I wish,
- 5:47Speaker 1: you know, like I don't remember her name. I just
- 5:53Speaker 1: remember the situation.
- 5:54Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 5:54Speaker 1: And it's hard to say whether or not it would
- 5:57Speaker 1: have stayed with me had not my own condition progressed
- 6:04Speaker 1: in the way that it did. Okay, so... You can
- 6:19Speaker 1: probably hear it a little bit, but I have Tourette's Syndrome.
- 6:27Speaker 1: And it varies in severity, but I'm considered to be
- 6:34Speaker 1: a pretty severe case.
- 6:37Speaker 2: Song says it was right around that same time the
- 6:40Speaker 2: summer after that school year in 1983, that he first
- 6:43Speaker 2: started displaying signs of the disorder, signs that were eerily
- 6:48Speaker 2: similar to the singing girl.
- 6:50Speaker 1: The tics that I had in the beginning were mostly facial,
- 6:54Speaker 1: you know, and that was like the same ones that
- 6:56Speaker 1: we were laughing at that girl for. It was like
- 6:58Speaker 1: eye blinking and stuff with my eyes, you know, make faces, smiling,
- 7:03Speaker 1: or opening my mouth wide. Yeah. And other people around
- 7:12Speaker 1: me were commenting, like, why do you keep doing that? And, oh, wow,
- 7:17Speaker 1: you're doing this thing. Hey, you're doing this thing. And,
- 7:22Speaker 1: you know, I would try to hide it and stuff.
- 7:24Speaker 2: What does that feel like in your body?
- 7:26Speaker 1: I can suppress it. It's very difficult. Anytime I'm suppressing it,
- 7:34Speaker 1: I have to pay for it, you know. Like, it
- 7:39Speaker 1: comes out worse afterwards. You know, it's like if you're
- 7:43Speaker 1: in a staring contest with somebody and you're trying not
- 7:48Speaker 1: to blink, you can feel when your eyes want to blink.
- 7:52Speaker 1: But if you're not thinking about that, you're just going
- 7:55Speaker 1: to blink. It just happens so quickly that you can't
- 7:58Speaker 1: really stop it. Right, yeah. By the time you're aware
- 8:00Speaker 1: that it's coming, it's already happening.
- 8:03Speaker 2: But back then, when Song was 8, 9, 10 years old,
- 8:07Speaker 2: it was all just new and confusing.
- 8:10Speaker 1: Were you, like, scared?
- 8:11Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 8:12Speaker 1: It's funny.
- 8:12Speaker 2: I remember, like, because— and I'm not equating these things, but, like,
- 8:18Speaker 2: growing up, I had a lot of, like, OCD compulsive behavior.
- 8:23Speaker 2: And I remember this one time doing this thing with
- 8:28Speaker 2: my hands and my friend saying, like.
- 8:31Speaker 1: What are you doing?
- 8:32Speaker 2: And I was, like, embarrassed, but I had to do it.
- 8:37Speaker 2: And I just was, like— First, I was like, what?
- 8:40Speaker 2: You know, like, like, like, well, I was trying to
- 8:42Speaker 2: deny the thing that, like, was happening right there. And
- 8:45Speaker 2: then I was just like, I don't know. And I, like,
- 8:47Speaker 2: really didn't know.
- 8:48Speaker 1: Oh, wow. That's, yeah, that's, that's so similar, what you're describing, that,
- 8:53Speaker 1: that compulsion. And you're not, you're not wrong in equating everybody.
- 8:59Speaker 1: OCD and Tourette's are comorbid. But yeah, that's what it's like. Yeah,
- 9:04Speaker 1: people would be like, why are you doing that? I'd
- 9:06Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, you know.
- 9:09Speaker 2: Song didn't know, and for a long time, his parents
- 9:12Speaker 2: didn't know either. They thought he was just acting out.
- 9:16Speaker 2: Song remembers conversations between his dad and grandmother and aunt
- 9:20Speaker 2: around the kitchen table, them all talking about him and
- 9:22Speaker 2: his tics as though he weren't sitting right there.
- 9:25Speaker 1: My mother was a little more proactive, to put it
- 9:31Speaker 1: in a positive light.
- 9:33Speaker 3: Wait, wait, what do you mean?
- 9:35Speaker 1: Well, she, you know, she thought that she could punish
- 9:39Speaker 1: it out of me you know so like her and
- 9:41Speaker 1: like my stepdad used to be like this is how
- 9:44Speaker 1: much money I'm gonna spend for Christmas and every time
- 9:50Speaker 1: you make one of those noises I'm gonna take five
- 9:53Speaker 1: dollars off yeah yeah I remember like her recording me
- 9:59Speaker 1: and playing it back and being like this is what
- 10:02Speaker 1: you sound like and stuff like maybe she could embarrass
- 10:04Speaker 1: it out of me I don't know it was always
- 10:06Speaker 1: like the idea that I was, doing it on purpose.
- 10:12Speaker 2: It wasn't until Song was 14 that he was officially diagnosed,
- 10:16Speaker 2: but that didn't offer much help.
- 10:18Speaker 1: They didn't know anything back then. So I've been prescribed
- 10:24Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of medications. I would say that
- 10:28Speaker 1: through most of my adolescence, I was pretty zonked out
- 10:31Speaker 1: on antipsychotics.
- 10:33Speaker 2: Most kids with Tourette's syndrome largely outgrow their tics by adulthood,
- 10:37Speaker 2: but Song never did.
- 10:39Speaker 1: There's a lot of things. Eye blinking, abdominal clenching, jumping.
- 10:44Speaker 1: I poke myself in the eye sometimes. I grind my
- 10:48Speaker 1: teeth to the point that some of them have been
- 10:50Speaker 1: broken out of my mouth. Oh, my God. Yeah, I
- 10:53Speaker 1: gave myself two hernias. From the age of 17 to 22,
- 10:58Speaker 1: a lot of vocalizations, noises. I was biting my tongue
- 11:02Speaker 1: for a while. I have a huge scar on my
- 11:04Speaker 1: tongue from chewing on it. At some point in everybody's life,
- 11:10Speaker 1: their body will rebel against them. And it's just sort
- 11:14Speaker 1: of part of the process of living, right? You never
- 11:19Speaker 1: know how it's going to go, but it's going to happen.
- 11:23Speaker 1: If you're lucky, that's like in very old age. But
- 11:26Speaker 1: to be aware of the weight of that, you know,
- 11:29Speaker 1: in your youth, and to have to carry that around
- 11:31Speaker 1: with you your whole life, it's just a nightmare.
- 11:36Speaker 2: As Song got older, as it became clear that his
- 11:38Speaker 2: tics were here to stay, he started asking himself, why?
- 11:43Speaker 1: Why me? I had this sort of nagging suspicion that
- 11:49Speaker 1: me having Tourette's was connected to me making fun of
- 11:53Speaker 1: that girl. It was some sort of punishment that I
- 12:05Speaker 1: was inflicted with because of what I had done to her.
- 12:14Speaker 1: It's easy to imagine some supernatural connection. There were times
- 12:21Speaker 1: where I thought, maybe because I did this in a
- 12:25Speaker 1: house of worship, the deity is punishing me.
- 12:31Speaker 2: It felt like there must be some karmic connection. It
- 12:34Speaker 2: was all too uncanny. The timing of his symptoms, the
- 12:38Speaker 2: similar facial tics he shared with the girl. Had you
- 12:41Speaker 2: ever experienced bullying?
- 12:44Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
- 12:49Speaker 1: Like, it's constant. It goes on today, to this day.
- 12:52Speaker 1: It happened on the train on the way here. What?
- 12:55Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 12:56Speaker 1: People making fun of me. You know, it's just, it's, yeah,
- 13:00Speaker 1: it's constant. I mean, it was really bad in high school.
- 13:04Speaker 1: And that was just your peers just making fun of
- 13:06Speaker 1: you all the time. Teachers as well. Teachers as well? Yeah,
- 13:11Speaker 1: like mocking me in class. I dropped out in 11th grade.
- 13:14Speaker 1: I was pretty depressed. I just couldn't be there anymore.
- 13:21Speaker 2: Of course, Song is a reasonable person, and the most
- 13:24Speaker 2: rational part of him understands that his Tourette's wasn't caused
- 13:27Speaker 2: by his making fun of the girl.
- 13:30Speaker 3: And yet.
- 13:31Speaker 1: it still hasn't stopped me from thinking about it.
- 13:35Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 13:36Speaker 1: For most of the time, I've really just felt like
- 13:38Speaker 1: I wanted to apologize. You know, I'm regretful. I know
- 13:44Speaker 1: how it feels. You know, this is the other thing.
- 13:48Speaker 1: When you deal with something like that that's socially stigmatizing
- 13:54Speaker 1: or isolating, any effort that you make to make yourself visible...
- 14:00Speaker 1: is a victory. Like, I feel like any time I
- 14:03Speaker 1: leave the house, any time I go out in public
- 14:06Speaker 1: and socialize, like, I'm proud of myself. And so, you know,
- 14:14Speaker 1: to do that at that age.
- 14:16Speaker 2: To stand up in front of a school, you mean?
- 14:18Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 14:19Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 14:19Speaker 1: That she got up there and did that is, you know,
- 14:22Speaker 1: that's a courageous person. I also want to know that
- 14:32Speaker 1: she's doing okay.
- 14:34Speaker 2: Yeah, when you think about her, like, do you imagine
- 14:36Speaker 2: that she has Tourette's too or no?
- 14:39Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. You know, I'm like, I
- 14:41Speaker 1: just hope that, I hope that it was just a
- 14:44Speaker 1: tick and it went away when she was a kid.
- 14:48Speaker 1: You know, nobody should have to go through this. That's
- 14:53Speaker 1: why I was saying, I hope that she's doing okay.
- 14:56Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 14:57Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just sorry. You know? I'm just sorry.
- 15:04Speaker 2: It's been 40 years since the incident. 40 years since
- 15:08Speaker 2: Song has seen the singing girl. He has no idea
- 15:11Speaker 2: how to find her. He doesn't even know her name.
- 15:14Speaker 2: Which is why he reached out to me.
- 15:16Speaker 1: I mean... I just don't know where I would start.
- 15:25Speaker 2: Song isn't in touch with anyone from the school anymore.
- 15:28Speaker 2: He was only there the one year. He can't offer
- 15:31Speaker 2: much besides the name of the school.
- 15:33Speaker 1: Sister Clara Muhammad.
- 15:36Speaker 2: Though Song admits to me, his lack of leads isn't
- 15:38Speaker 2: the only reason he reached out.
- 15:40Speaker 1: Because what would I do? Would I just like show
- 15:43Speaker 1: up at somebody's door if I was able to find
- 15:45Speaker 1: them and knock on the door and be like, hey,
- 15:47Speaker 1: remember me from that time? Hey, I've been tracking you.
- 15:51Speaker 1: I've been looking for you for 40 years. Right. That's
- 15:55Speaker 1: like super scary.
- 15:58Speaker 2: And so... I go searching for the singing girl.
- 16:02Speaker 1: After the break.
- 16:19Speaker 2: I think about the task ahead of me, finding a
- 16:22Speaker 2: girl from a random school assembly 40 years ago without
- 16:26Speaker 2: so much as a first name. or even a school photo.
- 16:30Speaker 2: It's not a lot to go on. But though Song
- 16:33Speaker 2: doesn't remember the singing girl, all I need is to
- 16:35Speaker 2: find one person who does. One person who remembers the
- 16:39Speaker 2: incident and can say, oh yeah, that was so-and-so. And so,
- 16:45Speaker 2: I begin with the information I do have. The name
- 16:48Speaker 2: of the school.
- 16:49Speaker 5: Good afternoon.
- 16:50Speaker 4: I'm having a great day at Muhammad School. This is Rashida.
- 16:51Speaker 3: May I help you?
- 16:52Speaker 2: I'm hoping the school might have class lists or yearbooks
- 16:56Speaker 2: where I can find the names of Song's old classmates.
- 16:59Speaker 2: But I learn they don't keep records that far back.
- 17:01Speaker 2: I couldn't help you.
- 17:02Speaker 4: You said 1983.
- 17:05Speaker 2: As for the teachers who worked back then, most all
- 17:07Speaker 2: of them have since retired. But I get the names
- 17:10Speaker 2: of a few.
- 17:11Speaker 6: And I give them each a call.
- 17:17Speaker 2: To see if they have any memory of Song.
- 17:19Speaker 5: I don't remember teaching anyone with the last name Little.
- 17:22Speaker 1: He was in fourth grade?
- 17:25Speaker 2: None of them do. And it turns out Song's fourth
- 17:28Speaker 2: grade teacher died some years back.
- 17:30Speaker 1: Why is he trying to find this girl?
- 17:32Speaker 2: Can I actually tell you this story? One teacher does
- 17:38Speaker 2: give me something useful. The name of one of Song's
- 17:41Speaker 2: old classmates. A woman who, she says, has an amazing memory.
- 17:46Speaker 2: Her name is Crystal.
- 17:48Speaker 4: She would have noticed and she probably would have remembered.
- 17:51Speaker 1: So she may be the best person to go to.
- 17:53Speaker 2: Hello? What with all the scam callers these days, I
- 18:00Speaker 2: try to sound relaxed and casual. Hi, I'm calling for Crystal.
- 18:05Speaker 1: Is Crystal available?
- 18:06Speaker 2: Do you know Crystal? Nailed it. Do you know Crystal?
- 18:11Speaker 1: Uh, she's my mom. Oh, okay. This is not a
- 18:16Speaker 1: spam call, right?
- 18:17Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
- 18:18Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm a journalist. I'm a radio producer, and I'm
- 18:21Speaker 2: working with an old.
- 18:24Speaker 2: It's not spam, I promise.
- 18:27Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good.
- 18:35Speaker 5: He was different insofar as he was not Muslim when
- 18:38Speaker 5: he joined our school.
- 18:41Speaker 2: As promised, Crystal's memory is sharp. She remembers Song immediately.
- 18:45Speaker 5: I think he might have been maybe the first non-Muslim
- 18:49Speaker 5: student that I knew. And if I remember correctly, he
- 18:53Speaker 5: was like light skin with curly hair.
- 18:55Speaker 2: Crystal doesn't recall the incident at mosque, though. But she
- 18:59Speaker 2: does provide me with the names of other students at
- 19:01Speaker 2: the school.
- 19:02Speaker 5: Fatima, Jamila, who else was with them? Rukia.
- 19:06Speaker 2: And those students provide the names of more students.
- 19:09Speaker 5: Nassim.
- 19:10Speaker 1: Sakina.
- 19:11Speaker 3: Malik.
- 19:14Speaker 5: And those students have theories.
- 19:16Speaker 2: But none of them bear out. I don't know who.
- 19:20Speaker 4: He's talking about.
- 19:21Speaker 5: Yeah, no, my sister didn't have a dick.
- 19:46Speaker 2: After a few months, I start running out of people
- 19:48Speaker 2: to call. As I'm told over and over, Clara Mohammed
- 19:52Speaker 2: was a tiny school, only about 10 kids per grade,
- 19:55Speaker 2: sometimes fewer. It was the sort of school where everyone
- 19:59Speaker 2: knew everyone and where everyone is still in touch. Many
- 20:02Speaker 2: of Song's old schoolmates now attend the same mosque. And
- 20:05Speaker 2: whenever I can't find a name or number, it's always
- 20:08Speaker 2: someone's cousin or close friend.
- 20:11Speaker 3: I can get his number too.
- 20:12Speaker 1: I was married to his sister for a minute. No, really? Yeah,
- 20:16Speaker 1: so I can definitely get that number too.
- 20:19Speaker 2: I get numbers, and I reach out to all of them.
- 20:22Speaker 2: Group texts are texted, Facebook groups alerted, alumni chats queried.
- 20:26Speaker 2: I even contact the imam of the school mosque back then.
- 20:31Speaker 2: Everyone is friendly and seems to genuinely want to help.
- 20:34Speaker 2: But over and over, I hear the same thing.
- 20:36Speaker 5: I don't remember that incident at all. And I'm sure
- 20:39Speaker 5: I was there. No, I don't remember any of that.
- 20:42Speaker 5: And I've never heard it since.
- 20:44Speaker 1: I don't remember it happening. None of us remember the incident.
- 20:48Speaker 1: I don't recall that at all. Not at all.
- 20:51Speaker 5: No, none of this sounds familiar.
- 20:53Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I don't.
- 20:55Speaker 3: And I don't remember who this person is.
- 20:57Speaker 1: I don't remember any children having tics.
- 21:00Speaker 5: I just don't know if he's going to find the
- 21:03Speaker 5: person who he's looking for.
- 21:05Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 21:08Speaker 2: I search for over two years. No one remembers the incident.
- 21:13Speaker 2: No one remembers the singing girl. I feel like by now,
- 21:39Speaker 2: if it were possible to find the singing girl, I
- 21:42Speaker 2: would have. So there are a few possibilities. There were
- 21:46Speaker 2: two girls I learned who've died in the years since 1983.
- 21:50Speaker 2: Maybe the singing girl was one of them. Or maybe
- 21:53Speaker 2: she's one of the very few students I somehow haven't
- 21:55Speaker 2: been able to reach. Or maybe there's something Song is misremembering.
- 22:01Speaker 2: I speak with a psychologist who studies memory, and she
- 22:04Speaker 2: tells me that we often distort memories in ways that
- 22:07Speaker 2: help us make sense of the world. It's possible that
- 22:10Speaker 2: while some parts of the memory are true, there are
- 22:13Speaker 2: other parts Song invented to help explain his Tourette's.
- 22:17Speaker 1: I will say.
- 22:18Speaker 2: The number of people from your school that I've talked to,
- 22:22Speaker 2: like the sheer list of names is so long. And
- 22:25Speaker 2: I mean, I check in with Song to run through
- 22:28Speaker 2: all the names I've called.
- 22:30Speaker 1: Whoa, that's a lot.
- 22:33Speaker 6: Whoa.
- 22:34Speaker 1: And nobody remembers?
- 22:38Speaker 2: Nobody remembers.
- 22:39Speaker 1: Wow. That's crazy. Yeah.
- 22:45Speaker 2: For years, Song has been holding this apology that he
- 22:48Speaker 2: needs to express. And now, it seems, he has no
- 22:52Speaker 2: one to express it to. But maybe there's still another
- 22:56Speaker 2: way forward. Recently, on a long flight, I watched the
- 23:05Speaker 2: movie Rental Family. It's about this industry in Japan where
- 23:09Speaker 2: actors are paid to play family members or friends in
- 23:12Speaker 2: real people's lives. Stand-ins, they're called. For instance, a lonely
- 23:17Speaker 2: client might hire a fake friend to go to the
- 23:19Speaker 2: movies with, or a widower might hire someone to play
- 23:23Speaker 2: the role of his late wife so he can say
- 23:25Speaker 2: to her the things he wishes he still could. It
- 23:29Speaker 2: sounds like science fiction, but apparently it works. Clients know
- 23:33Speaker 2: the actors aren't their real daughters or fathers, but they
- 23:36Speaker 2: can still solve real issues by proxy. As wild as
- 23:41Speaker 2: it sounds, I wonder if something similar might help songs.
- 23:45Speaker 2: Not a professional stand-in, but an unofficial one. Maybe there's
- 23:49Speaker 2: a conversation Song can have, not with a singing girl,
- 23:53Speaker 2: but with a stand-in of sorts, that will allow him
- 23:56Speaker 2: to move on. So I start looking around. I want
- 24:01Speaker 2: someone who will get Song, appreciate his candor and dark
- 24:04Speaker 2: sense of humor. I contact Tourette's advocacy groups, put out
- 24:09Speaker 2: calls on social media. I speak with a number of
- 24:12Speaker 2: kids with Tourette's who are all great, but not quite right.
- 24:16Speaker 2: I search for nearly as long as I searched for
- 24:18Speaker 2: the singing girl herself. Over a year goes by. And
- 24:23Speaker 2: then I meet Chloe. Chloe is 13 years old and
- 24:27Speaker 2: lives in Ireland. The first time we speak, she tells
- 24:31Speaker 2: me about her newest tick, blurting out the sentence, I
- 24:34Speaker 2: love cocaine. She says, it's a real problem at the airport.
- 24:39Speaker 2: And in that moment, I know my search is over.
- 24:48Speaker 2: When I bring the whole idea up to Song, he's skeptical.
- 24:52Speaker 1: Of course he is.
- 24:53Speaker 2: But I tell him more about Chloe. She's from a
- 24:56Speaker 2: small village where she doesn't know anyone else like her.
- 24:59Speaker 2: She's only ever met one other girl with Tourette's who
- 25:01Speaker 2: lives far away, so she doesn't have many people to
- 25:04Speaker 2: talk to. That's something Song understands. So Song says he's
- 25:10Speaker 2: open to talking. He hopes it might be helpful for Chloe,
- 25:14Speaker 2: and I hope it might be helpful for him. Both
- 25:17Speaker 2: of our hopes come true, but not in the way
- 25:20Speaker 2: either of us expect.
- 25:23Speaker 1: Hi, Chloe. How are you?
- 25:25Speaker 3: I'm good, thanks. How are you?
- 25:26Speaker 1: Pretty good.
- 25:28Speaker 2: On what is morning for Song and evening for Chloe,
- 25:32Speaker 2: we all meet up on a video call. Chloe and
- 25:35Speaker 2: Song make polite small talk at first, chatting about their hobbies.
- 25:39Speaker 1: Baking spray everyone yeah i like to bake as well.
- 25:42Speaker 3: Yeah it's difficult yeah everything that i bake turns out
- 25:47Speaker 3: scones does that mean they're hard yeah dick and hard.
- 25:55Speaker 2: But it's not long before they're talking about their tics.
- 25:58Speaker 3: One that i don't like is i blow kisses at
- 26:00Speaker 3: people and i have that one quite.
- 26:02Speaker 1: A lot If I was doing that, it could be
- 26:05Speaker 1: a problem.
- 26:06Speaker 3: Luckily, I'm a child, so it's not, like, as weird.
- 26:13Speaker 2: Like Song, Chloe's tics have changed over time. She says
- 26:16Speaker 2: she's constantly picking up new ones.
- 26:18Speaker 3: Like, my meowing one, I got that one because I was, like,
- 26:21Speaker 3: messing around with my cat. And then, yeah, and then
- 26:25Speaker 3: it just kind of stuck.
- 26:28Speaker 1: Yeah, it's annoying whenever I pick up new ones. I'm like, oh,
- 26:31Speaker 1: why am I doing that now?
- 26:33Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, goddammit, it has to be that one.
- 26:36Speaker 1: Yeah, like, why don't I have one that's, like, running
- 26:38Speaker 1: my fingers through my hair? Mm-hmm.
- 26:41Speaker 3: I've always thought, like, what if I go to France
- 26:44Speaker 3: or something and then I pick up a French chick?
- 26:48Speaker 3: A French chick? I kind of want to have a
- 26:50Speaker 3: French chick now.
- 26:52Speaker 2: LAUGHTER Song has been living for 40 years with something
- 27:04Speaker 2: relatively new to Chloe. She has questions for him about
- 27:08Speaker 2: what life might be like when she's an adult.
- 27:10Speaker 3: What's it like in work with your tics?
- 27:14Speaker 1: Well, I mostly work from home.
- 27:18Speaker 3: Okay.
- 27:18Speaker 1: But I've worked in comic stores for about 14 years.
- 27:22Speaker 3: Did you get any rude customers or anything about your tics?
- 27:26Speaker 1: Sometimes, yeah. Huh.
- 27:30Speaker 2: Song tells Chloe a story from when he was living
- 27:33Speaker 2: in London, working the counter at a comic store there.
- 27:36Speaker 2: A blind man walked in with his guide.
- 27:38Speaker 1: It's a really weird image. The blind guy was maybe
- 27:42Speaker 1: like a 70-year-old white guy, gray hair, dark glasses. And
- 27:49Speaker 1: his guide was like this tall, really muscular black guy.
- 27:55Speaker 2: Song says they looked like they had just walked off
- 27:57Speaker 2: the pages of a comic book themselves. The blind man
- 28:01Speaker 2: approached Song, started talking to him.
- 28:04Speaker 1: He was talking about blindness. And then he goes, but,
- 28:07Speaker 1: you know, we all have our thing. You know, I'm
- 28:09Speaker 1: blind and you've got a neurological disorder. I'm like, how
- 28:14Speaker 1: do you know that? And he's like, oh, it's a
- 28:16Speaker 1: different smell. People with neurological disorders have a different smell.
- 28:20Speaker 1: And I was like, what do we smell like? And
- 28:22Speaker 1: he said, he said like ozone. Like electricity.
- 28:28Speaker 2: It made sense to Song in a weird way. He
- 28:30Speaker 2: says there's this feeling of electricity in his spine, a
- 28:34Speaker 2: tingling or buzzing.
- 28:35Speaker 1: It's like always there, right?
- 28:37Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 28:38Speaker 1: So you feel that as well? Yeah.
- 28:41Speaker 3: Pretty much constantly, to be honest.
- 28:43Speaker 1: Yeah. And that just kind of tripped me out. I
- 28:47Speaker 1: was like standing there dumbfounded. It's like, yeah.
- 28:52Speaker 2: How did that make you feel?
- 28:54Speaker 1: I mean, at the time, I don't really deal with
- 28:58Speaker 1: this as much anymore. I've gotten to a point where
- 29:01Speaker 1: I just don't really give a shit about what anybody thinks,
- 29:03Speaker 1: you know. But I think when I was younger, I
- 29:10Speaker 1: used to really feel like I was repulsive to people.
- 29:17Speaker 1: At the time when the guy said it, the way
- 29:19Speaker 1: that I thought about it was like, Wow, even to
- 29:22Speaker 1: blind people. Like, even somebody who can't see what I'm
- 29:26Speaker 1: doing has a response to me.
- 29:30Speaker 6: You know?
- 29:31Speaker 3: Definitely. I do just get that feeling a lot because
- 29:35Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people don't like me.
- 29:38Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it's, like, my tics or what. Like,
- 29:42Speaker 3: especially at school.
- 29:44Speaker 2: Chloe tells us about something that happened at an after-school club.
- 29:48Speaker 2: She was sitting with some friends when a boy came up.
- 29:51Speaker 3: And he started being like, bah, bah, bah, and just
- 29:55Speaker 3: mocking me a bunch. And he told me that I
- 29:57Speaker 3: sounded like a dying pig. To the point I started crying,
- 30:01Speaker 3: just hysterical. I was like, I have Tourette's, it's a
- 30:05Speaker 3: neurological condition, I can't help it. And he was like,
- 30:08Speaker 3: I don't give a shit. And then just kept doing it.
- 30:10Speaker 3: I remember going home later and then I was like crying.
- 30:20Speaker 3: I was saying, I just want to be normal. I
- 30:22Speaker 3: just want to be normal. I was like, I felt
- 30:26Speaker 3: that for the longest time. I'm just not normal. And
- 30:28Speaker 3: then I just would love to be normal. That'd be
- 30:32Speaker 3: my one wish if I got one.
- 30:34Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 30:36Speaker 2: Song pauses.
- 30:37Speaker 1: Talking to him after did you ever feel like there
- 30:40Speaker 1: was any any sense of I don't know like accountability
- 30:46Speaker 1: for him having done that or regret for having done.
- 30:50Speaker 3: That no like once he did give me half an
- 30:55Speaker 3: oreo so that was.
- 30:56Speaker 2: Great did he ever apologize to you.
- 31:02Speaker 3: No I don't think anyone has ever like apologized to
- 31:06Speaker 3: me for making fun of my terms?
- 31:10Speaker 1: Well, so, I used to go to a Muslim school
- 31:14Speaker 1: for one year when I was about, when I was
- 31:17Speaker 1: eight years old.
- 31:27Speaker 3: I hope she knows that, like, you tried and, like,
- 31:30Speaker 3: that you are very sorry about it.
- 31:33Speaker 2: For a moment, Chloe considers the boy who made her
- 31:36Speaker 2: cry at after school.
- 31:38Speaker 3: I'd be very grateful if he, like, apologized to me.
- 31:41Speaker 3: I'd be like, thank you for apologizing. Like, it would
- 31:47Speaker 3: mean something to me, like, for him to apologize.
- 31:49Speaker 1: He still may. He still may. Sometimes it takes people
- 31:58Speaker 1: a while to figure out what it is that they've
- 32:04Speaker 1: done and what effect it's had on other people. Like
- 32:08Speaker 1: I know I can say for myself, like the idea
- 32:11Speaker 1: of apologizing, I don't think really hit me until I
- 32:16Speaker 1: was in my, in my twenties, you know, so it
- 32:20Speaker 1: could happen sometimes, sometimes people surprise you.
- 32:26Speaker 2: But until then song offers this, not to the singing girl,
- 32:31Speaker 2: but to this one.
- 32:33Speaker 1: Well, I mean, in the place of a boy, I
- 32:37Speaker 1: would say, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings.
- 32:43Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I made fun of you. It wasn't right.
- 32:48Speaker 1: I didn't understand what it was to not have control
- 32:54Speaker 1: over my own body and how frustrating that could be.
- 33:01Speaker 1: I know that it's not your fault. And I know
- 33:06Speaker 1: that it's hard for you. And I shouldn't have made
- 33:11Speaker 1: things worse for you. You know, I've been around for
- 33:19Speaker 1: a while now. And if I was going to put
- 33:22Speaker 1: a bit of, you know, 50-year-old into this boy's apology,
- 33:25Speaker 1: I would actually say I had things about myself that
- 33:32Speaker 1: I felt insecure about. And it has nothing to do
- 33:37Speaker 1: with you. It has everything to do with how I
- 33:40Speaker 1: feel about myself. And I would say that you are
- 33:54Speaker 1: very brave and very strong to be you and to
- 34:00Speaker 1: live your life in your skin. And It's not your fault.
- 34:08Speaker 1: And I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
- 34:12Speaker 4: It felt, like, just really good to hear that.
- 34:29Speaker 3: Or just to imagine, like, the kid that was making
- 34:32Speaker 3: fun of me being so nice. That just feels amazing.
- 34:40Speaker 2: I thought Chloe could act as a stand-in for the
- 34:43Speaker 2: girl in Song's story, but it's Song who acts the
- 34:46Speaker 2: part of the boy in Chloe's.
- 34:49Speaker 3: I really hope that he does now feel remorse for
- 34:52Speaker 3: it and is like Song in the way that he
- 34:58Speaker 3: feels bad for it and how he's so nice.
- 35:00Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 35:01Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
- 35:05Speaker 3: All I need to do is, the next time I
- 35:07Speaker 3: see him, just around my village or something, I need
- 35:11Speaker 3: to get his number, then when this podcast comes out,
- 35:14Speaker 3: I'll send.
- 35:14Speaker 1: It to him.
- 35:15Speaker 3: Oh, wow. And be like, you better do this for me.
- 35:19Speaker 3: You will apologize, I'm forcing.
- 35:23Speaker 1: You to.
- 35:23Speaker 3: And give me the other half of that Oreo while
- 35:25Speaker 3: you're at it.
- 35:25Speaker 1: That's amazing.
- 35:36Speaker 2: In the end, Song got to apologize. Not for karma,
- 35:41Speaker 2: but for Chloe. After the call, I check in with Song.
- 35:55Speaker 2: He's really happy to have apologized to Chloe, and he
- 35:58Speaker 2: hopes it made her feel better. But it hasn't entirely
- 36:02Speaker 2: made him feel better. There's still some small part of
- 36:06Speaker 2: him that hopes the singing girl is out there, that
- 36:09Speaker 2: hopes that maybe, one day, he'll find her and finally
- 36:13Speaker 2: get to say sorry. There's an undeniable instinct to explain
- 36:18Speaker 2: the randomness of our lives. Maybe that's all karma is, really,
- 36:22Speaker 2: a collection of consequences to which we assign causes. It's
- 36:27Speaker 2: just the way it is is a lot scarier than
- 36:30Speaker 2: things happen for a reason. And so we can't help
- 36:34Speaker 2: but search for order, for answers, for solutions, even when
- 36:38Speaker 2: we know there are none. I used to think maybe
- 36:44Speaker 2: I would be cured if I was struck by lightning,
- 36:47Speaker 2: Song once wrote me. This thought first occurred to me
- 36:50Speaker 2: while riding my bike across the Williamsburg Bridge in the rain.
- 36:54Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a fantasy that I'll get
- 36:57Speaker 2: hit by lightning and be fixed. And honestly... Who knows,
- 37:03Speaker 2: Song said. It just might work.
- 37:07Speaker 4: Piano plays softly.
- 37:56Speaker 6: Is returning to its goodwill home now that the last
- 38:04Speaker 6: month's rent is scheming with the damage deposit take this
- 38:10Speaker 6: moment to decide if we meant it if we tried
- 38:23Speaker 6: From things that accidentally touch.
- 38:29Speaker 2: This episode of Heavyweight was produced by me, Stevie Lane,
- 38:32Speaker 2: along with Jonathan Goldstein and Lisa Wang. Our senior producer
- 38:36Speaker 2: is Kalila Holt. Editorial guidance from Emily Condon. Special thanks
- 38:40Speaker 2: to Phoebe Flanagan, Daphne Chen, Ben Nadefhafri, Neil Drumming, and Dr.
- 38:44Speaker 2: Jillian Murphy, who was extremely helpful on the subject of memory.
- 38:48Speaker 2: Emma Munger mixed the episode with original music by Christine Fellows,
- 38:51Speaker 2: John K. Sampson, Bobby Lord, and she herself, Emma Munger.
- 38:55Speaker 2: Additional scoring by Chris Zabriskie and Blue Dot Sessions. Our
- 38:58Speaker 2: theme song is by The Weaker Thens, courtesy of Epitaph Records.
- 39:02Speaker 2: Song is an artist, animator, and illustrator. And if you'd
- 39:04Speaker 2: like to check out his work, and you should, you
- 39:07Speaker 2: can find it at songriddle.com, spelled S-O-N-G-E, riddle.com. Follow us
- 39:14Speaker 2: on Instagram at heavyweightpodcast or email us at heavyweight at pushkin.fm.
- 39:19Speaker 2: We also have a free newsletter at patreon.com slash heavyweight.
- 39:23Speaker 2: Jonathan will be back next week with a brand new episode.
- 39:29Speaker 2: Thank you.