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Bonus 1 | The Gilgo Beach Murders Update · Probation Behavior

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  You know what you start. Welcome back.
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  To probation behavior we went in different.
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  Octaves. Harmony.
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  This is a mini episode that we wanted to do.
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  We were thinking, let us know what you think fans.
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  We were thinking about doing mini episodes to highlight true
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  crime news and big breakthroughs.
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  And one of those is the Gilgo Beach case.
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  On April 8th, 2026, Rex Hoyerman pleaded guilty in court to
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  murdering seven women and admitted to an eighth killing,
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  bringing this long unsolved case to a close.
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  So that's why we're talking about it today.
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  His eight victims that are confirmed are Sandra Castilla.
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  In 1993, she was 28 years old. Karen Vergata in 1996, she was
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  killed. She was 34 years old.
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  Valerie Mac, killed in 2000. She was 24.
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  Jessica Taylor, killed in 2003, She was 20.
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  Maureen Brainerd Barnes, killed in 2007.
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  She was 25. Melissa Bartolome, killed in
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  2009, aged 24. Megan Waterman, killed in 2010
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  and she was 22. And then also killed in 2010 was
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  Amber Lynn Costello, and she was 27 years old.
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  So I want to back up for a second because I know that this
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  got a lot of coverage. There were a lot of
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  documentaries and but I honestly was surprised at how little I
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  knew about it. So I do think that that has
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  something to do with the fact that some of these victims were
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  sex workers. And I hate that.
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  And so I wanted to, I think at some point we'll do a full deep
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  dive. But I do want to give a brief
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  overview because I think in any case, there is no closure.
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  At the same time, having the person that took away your loved
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  one admit it instead of denying it, which he did several times,
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  I think it's probably a big step.
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  So this case goes back to late 2010.
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  Obviously, the killings first started, or at least as we know
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  of, in 1993 with Sandra Castilla.
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  But in 2010, police were searching for another woman,
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  Shannon Gilbert. She was a missing woman who had
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  disappeared near Oak Beach on Long Island and after a 19 day
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  search, they found her remains. To this day, it is debated
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  whether there was foul play involved.
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  Authorities said that it may have been accidental or due to
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  exposure. Drowning one of those, while her
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  family's side has always been that it was homicide and she was
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  murdered. So how this relates to the Gilgo
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  Beach case is that during the search, investigators found
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  other human remains along the Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach.
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  And then they found more human remains and then even more.
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  And pretty quickly it became clear that this was not one
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  isolated crime scene. It was a lot bigger than they
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  anticipated. Authorities started to suspect
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  that a serial killer had been using that stretch of coastline
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  to dump bodies, and the case turned into an extremely
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  infamous murder investigation in the country.
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  Especially given the relevance in the early 2000s with all the
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  technology that we have and having, you know, such big
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  breakthroughs in 2026. It's been spanning for quite a
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  long time. And another way that they refer
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  to this case is they called in the Long Island serial killer.
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  So you may have heard it referred to as that as well.
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  I think this moment of him pleading guilty forces the
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  conversation back onto the women where it really belongs.
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  Him admitting guilt is, I don't want to say, closing a chapter
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  because we say that it's not. There's never a closing of a
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  chapter, right? These women are gone forever.
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  But I think of so many different cases where these killers never
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  fucking admitted they went to their goddamn grave, never
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  admitting what they did to these people that were like, 100% we
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  know for a fact, right? Yeah.
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  And it's not that that even helps things, like, in the sense
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  of it's not going to bring them back.
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  But I can't imagine being a family, fighting for my loved
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  one and the justice that they need and having this person who
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  took their life away consistently denying it in the
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  face of so much evidence. Yeah.
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  So. And like I said, a lot of these
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  women were involved in sex work. And I think that matters in, you
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  know, the how the public handled it.
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  And we've seen cases over and over again where women who are
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  victims that are sex workers are not treated with the same
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  urgency, the same empathy or the same level of public attention.
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  So I think what made this case hit really hard for people was
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  that it can represent something bigger than just one offender.
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  It was, you know, a calling to a big systemic issue which we've
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  seen for decades and decades. So I want to kind of talk a
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  little bit more about the case itself and how it came to this
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  moment where he's pleading guilty.
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  The case was stuck for a while. It was long speculated that
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  there was a Long Island serial killer and, and there were
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  theories about who this person could be and many suspects and,
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  but it really just felt frozen. And then investigators took a
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  fresh look at the evidence and over time, they were able to
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  connect Hoyer men to the murders through a mix of vehicle
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  evidence, cell phone data, digital evidence and DNA.
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  One of the details that people always bring up is that the DNA
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  was recovered from a pizza crust that he threw away in Manhattan.
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  Oh my gosh. And yeah, that became something
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  that helps the investigators build the case, so.
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  And he didn't like crust serial killer tendency.
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  Oh shoot, I don't like crust. Oh my God, I literally he never
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  used a crust. OK, so sorry cutting that out.
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  Anyways, he was arrested in July 2023 and that was huge news.
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  I do remember like the Long Island serial killer, it was
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  always called that which I really.
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  I I. Appreciate the reframing of it
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  to the go go beach killings because I feel like it referring
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  to a case as the blank serial killer or centering the
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  narrative on the killer always kind of rubs me the wrong way.
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  There's no perfect way to communicate anything.
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  So I think that there is importance in how we frame
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  things. He the Rex who is the Long
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  Island serial killer slash Gogo Beach killer slash horrible man
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  that took away so many wonderful women.
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  He seemed completely ordinary. He was an architect on Long
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  Island. He was married, he was a father
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  living that normal suburban life.
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  And I think the contrast of all of this is just really
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  unsettling. It always is that these are
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  normal people and he killed all of these women.
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  After the arrest, we were still in the charges phase.
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  There were allegations, there were court proceedings, a bunch
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  of denials. And so now what makes this
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  different is we, we have a guilty plea.
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  Basically. I just wanted to bring it up
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  because even though it's April 8th, we didn't actually even
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  have the podcast live yet. I do, I think it's really
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  important to talk about that. It's a huge breakthrough.
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  I mean, it, it's like akin to me to the Golden State Killer case
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  and not being revealed. Obviously, I mean, a guilty plea
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  isn't going to fix anything. At the same time, I do think
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  it's it's huge in a case like this.
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  Yeah, it's, it's back in the headlines.
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  This case is back. He is going to be sentenced most
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  likely for life without parole because he did admit that he was
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  guilty. I think some interesting
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  information as well. We learn as we find more of
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  these terrible people and we learn how to prevent it.
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  And you know, he, we got him off the street so that he was not
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  able to kill any more women. So that's why I wanted to bring
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  it up. How much have you heard about
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  this, if at all? I'm curious.
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  Not I I have not heard that there has been like updates on
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  it. I think I knew him as or these
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  murders as the Long Island serial killer.
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  Do you know when they started referring to it otherwise?
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  I'm reading through Reddit right now to see because somebody
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  actually asked why are they calling the Long Island serial
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  killer the Gilgo Beach killer now?
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  Oh. So it sounds like Long Island
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  has had a lot of serial killers over the years.
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  I can I can imagine. That, yeah.
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  So that's one way to distinguish it.
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  All the remains were found on Gilgo Beach, and I think locals,
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  it was always kind of the Gilgo Beach killings.
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  And I think just, yeah, this is absolutely terrible.
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  What I'm reading is that because there were plenty of Long Island
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  serial killers that they needed a way to distinguish him.
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  That is terrible. That's a crazy sentence.
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  Yeah, wow. But yeah, I I honestly didn't
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  know much about it. How old was he when he?
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  Currently, he is 62 years old. OK, Yeah.
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  So he was 59 when he was arrested in 2023.
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  And if you heard Nemo, my dog sneeze, I need to.
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  Sorry, I need to just clarify if I haven't already, that Nemo is
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  a dog. My friends told me that I did
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  not clarify that in our first episode.
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  So he's not a human. He is just a dog.
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  He is just a dog. So he began killing in his early
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  30s. Jeez.
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  Yeah. Yep.
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  And I can't, I also can't imagine, well, I don't, I, I
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  don't know the details on this, but having a wife and kids and
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  like what their reaction was, if there was any type of inkling or
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  if there was any issues at home. Because often times I feel like
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  when it is these like normal people living in a suburban
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  neighborhood, regular job, I feel like there's that shock a
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  lot of the time. Not always, but it's like, this
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  is not the person I know and it's literally a completely
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  different person. I can't.
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  I also think about that side of it and just what a mind fuck
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  that is. Oh my God, it's horrible.
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  So many victims beyond the victims that were killed.
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  Yeah. It really it terrible to think
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  about. There are a lot of podcasts who
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  have covered this case and have talked about this so feel free
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  to look up Killgo Beach Murders Long Island serial killer,
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  you'll find plenty. I know Crime Junkie has done it.
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  So if you're looking For more information until we do a deep
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  dive you can go there and we will keep you posted.
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  But thank you for coming to our first mini episode.
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  And let us know if what you guys think about this, if this is
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  something you want us to continue doing.
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  I think it is important to stay relevant with this stuff.
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  I mean, especially because as technology advances, there's a
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  lot of uncoverings. I really do want to like stay up
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  to date with the Jon Benet Ramsey case as I talked about
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  before. So, but thanks guys for
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  listening. Thank you so much.
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