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Body Found Dismembered Off US 60 ID'd as Missing Girl Emily, 14 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A body found dismembered off US sixty idd as a
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  Speaker 2: missing girl, Emily just fourteen years old. Yes, her dismembered body,
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  Speaker 2: A fourteen year old little girl thrown off the side
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  Speaker 2: of the highway like she's trash.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 3: being with us.
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  Speaker 4: A teen girl last scene walking near an Arizona group home,
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  Speaker 4: found dismembered over one hundred miles away.
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  Speaker 5: Who murdered fourteen year old Emily Pike?
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  Speaker 3: What happened to Emily?
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  Speaker 2: I know when you see a headline dismembered, you stick
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  Speaker 2: on that, but there's so much more. Why did Emily
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  Speaker 2: go missing? How did Emily go missing? There's so much
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  Speaker 2: to this story. Of course, I want to know who
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  Speaker 2: murdered Emily Pike, just fourteen years old. Do you remember
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  Speaker 2: what you were doing or what your daughter or son
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  Speaker 2: was doing at age fourteen? Imagine what these parents are
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  Speaker 2: going through. Emily Pike found dismembered and thrown on the
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  Speaker 2: side of the road US sixty. Listen to see thee
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  Speaker 2: so much, Jane, I really hope.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to see.
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  Speaker 6: If you can come into meet Thanks to recover any
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  Speaker 6: kind of weapon. A cause of death is still under
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  Speaker 6: investigation by the Emmy's office. We're investigating those leads. None
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  Speaker 6: of those as of yet have pointed us to a
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  Speaker 6: definite suspect or person of interest. We believe that she
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  Speaker 6: was killed somewhere else and then that is where she
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  Speaker 6: was dropped off.
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  Speaker 2: None of our friends at CBS five Arizona Family TV.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot just right there in those few seconds
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  Speaker 2: to analyze, and the practice of criminal law, every detail matters.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, you saw Emily, little Emily Pike, just
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  Speaker 2: fourteen years old. How did this girl go missing? Why
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  Speaker 2: did she go missing? And why is she dismembered on
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  Speaker 2: the side of the road. Also, we know we haven't
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  Speaker 2: recovered a weapon. Cause of death still under investigation by
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  Speaker 2: the Medical Examiner's office.
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  Speaker 3: Also we learn.
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  Speaker 2: That it's believed Emily was murdered elsewhere, So this would
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  Speaker 2: be at the very least a secondary crime scene, in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, a tertiary or third crime scene. How was
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  Speaker 2: she dropped off in a vehicle? Is the roadside surveillance?
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  Speaker 2: Are there license grabbers? Was it your toll road? Was
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  Speaker 2: it out in the middle of no where? Where there
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  Speaker 2: are no surveillance cameras of any type, even at a
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  Speaker 2: red light. We have had cases, for instance, let me
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  Speaker 2: just bring up here's an easy one. Alex Murdogg, the
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  Speaker 2: trial lawyer out of South Carolina, convicted in the murder
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  Speaker 2: of wife Maggie and son Paul, double murder. Well, he
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  Speaker 2: also staged his own murder attempt on himself and there
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  Speaker 2: was no surveillance.
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  Speaker 3: Well, lo and behold. After we covered it and pointed out.
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  Speaker 2: That there was a Baptist church a few miles down
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  Speaker 2: from the incident at an intersection, guess what there was surveillance?
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  Speaker 2: So has that been harvested? Where were the remains found?
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  Speaker 2: Were they in a bag? What kind of bag? That
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  Speaker 2: could be very probative, in other words, prove something. Let
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  Speaker 2: me refer to the top Mom Casey Anthony case and
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  Speaker 2: the murder of her girl, a chilly her body found
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  Speaker 2: double bagged in bags taken from the Anthony home about
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  Speaker 2: ten houses down from the Anthony home in a swampy area.
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  Speaker 2: Those bags revealed a treasure trove of evidence. How do
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  Speaker 2: I know that this lee is doing the right thing?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, straight out to Susan Hendricks joining me
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter, journalist, author of Down the Hill, My descend
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  Speaker 2: into the double murder in Delphi. Susan, I'm very curious.
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  Speaker 2: Could you just tell me, give me an idea, not
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  Speaker 2: just off US sixty, that could be anywhere where were
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  Speaker 2: Emily's remains found.
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  Speaker 7: Nancy, good to see you.
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  Speaker 8: One hundred miles from where she was last seen, and
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  Speaker 8: he mentioned what type of bag.
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  Speaker 5: It's a contractor a.
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  Speaker 8: Garbage bag, dismembered as you mentioned, just horrific details. Highway
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  Speaker 8: sixty near Globe, Arizona. Again one hundred mile from where.
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  Speaker 2: She was the last seem showing a shot of the bag. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there you see it.
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  Speaker 3: Susan.
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  Speaker 2: Hendrix rightfully described it as a contractor's bag.
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  Speaker 3: There you see it.
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  Speaker 2: It looks plastic, not necessarily the plastic trash bag we're
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  Speaker 2: all familiar with, but some combination, including including some sort
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  Speaker 2: of synthetic fiber. Why is that important? It's extremely important, whole, Susan.
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  Speaker 2: Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective,
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  Speaker 2: over three hundred homicide investigations under his belt. He's the
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  Speaker 2: star of his own YouTube channel, The Interview Room where
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  Speaker 2: I found him and you can find him, at Coldcasefoundation
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  Speaker 2: dot org. Chris McDonough, very very important that bag regarding
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  Speaker 2: who murdered a fourteen year old little girl?
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  Speaker 3: Why am I not hearing about her? In the head?
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  Speaker 2: Why aren't people screaming from the at the top of
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  Speaker 2: their lawns about Emily Pipe murdered and dismembered age fourteen?
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  Speaker 2: I got some theories on why we haven't heard about
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  Speaker 2: Emily Pipe. Back to the synthetic nature of this bag,
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  Speaker 2: why is that so important?
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  Speaker 9: Well, that bag can be a huge piece of evidence
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  Speaker 9: in relationship to solving this crime, because, number one, it
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  Speaker 9: tells you that the person who selected that bag was
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  Speaker 9: either in the contracting end or construction industry of some sort.
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  Speaker 9: Because it's a larger type of contractor's bag. You can
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  Speaker 9: take that bag, put it into what they call a
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  Speaker 9: super glue chamber, and that super glue chamber essentially will
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  Speaker 9: bring up the ridges and the swirls of any potential fingerprints.
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  Speaker 7: On that bag.
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  Speaker 9: So this is a huge piece of evidence to your point, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: But the fact that she is found in that bag
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  Speaker 9: also drives it home that she was looked at as
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  Speaker 9: a piece of trash, you know, looked at.
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  Speaker 3: Like a piece of trash. I have a little girl
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  Speaker 3: and a little boy. They just turned seventeen. This girl.
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  Speaker 2: Murdered and dismembered, thrown on the side of US sixty,
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  Speaker 2: like she's trash.
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  Speaker 3: Why who forget about? Why?
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  Speaker 2: Why does it matter to me? Who did this to Emily?
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  Speaker 2: To Susan Hendricks joining me, investigative reporter and author, Susan
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  Speaker 2: also very very important, and I'm going to go in
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  Speaker 2: just one moment to Emily's very beloved uncle joining us. Susan,
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  Speaker 2: I want to under stands something off US sixty. What
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  Speaker 2: would the weather be there?
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  Speaker 8: Well, of course being in Arizona and thinking about you
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  Speaker 8: know I used to live there. Go into Arizona State
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  Speaker 8: and middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere, desert of course,
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  Speaker 8: even this time of year, and you know, my heart
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  Speaker 8: does go out to her uncle.
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  Speaker 2: Chris mcdona. What Susan Hendricks just said very important. That's
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  Speaker 2: a critical piece of this because fingerprints are very simply
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  Speaker 2: oil secreted by the human body. That's what fingerprints are
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  Speaker 2: made of. So when you touch something, which I love,
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  Speaker 2: trash bag is a perfect conduit for fingerprints. You can
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  Speaker 2: get a perfect fingerprint. The weather conditions out in the
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  Speaker 2: desert are not going to affect that.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And that's why the process is called supergluing,
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  Speaker 9: and it's literally super glue in a like a fish tank,
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  Speaker 9: and then you put the bag in that fish tank
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  Speaker 9: and the chemicals react to each other in terms of
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  Speaker 9: from the skin and the oils on that skin and
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  Speaker 9: the super glue. And what ends up happening is you
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  Speaker 9: have this you know, this picture appear in front of
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  Speaker 9: you and it is you know, magic for lack of
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  Speaker 9: a better term, but you can get a very good
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  Speaker 9: fingerprint when you go through that process, and you're right,
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  Speaker 9: the weather will not bother that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is Linn Shaw, founder and executive director of
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  Speaker 2: Linn's Warriors, a nonprofit dedicated to stopping human trafficking, specifically
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  Speaker 2: among girls and women, and the exploitation of young girls.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard for me to imagine what Emily lived through
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  Speaker 2: before she was murdered and dismembered. And I want to
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  Speaker 2: point out, Lynn Shaw, that this little girl, fourteen years old,
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  Speaker 2: we still haven't.
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  Speaker 3: Found her arms or hands.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder why could it be the killer's attempt to
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  Speaker 2: evade her being identified by not having her fingerprints available?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, and I don't care. But what this
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  Speaker 2: child had went through before she was.
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  Speaker 5: Murdered, well, let me tell you, Nancy, the hands were
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  Speaker 5: most likely cut off, so exactly as you said, it
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  Speaker 5: can't be traced back anything about her. But I have
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  Speaker 5: too many questions. This is the way my mind works.
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  Speaker 5: Now we've got some body parts in a bag. How
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  Speaker 5: come her mother wasn't told about this for one month?
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  Speaker 5: What is going on here?
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Me Now, very special guest, this is a very beloved
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  Speaker 2: uncle of Emily's. All Red Pike Junior is joining us.
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  Speaker 2: All right, thank you for being with us. What was
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  Speaker 2: your reaction when you discovered that Emily, fourteen year old
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  Speaker 2: Emily had not only been murdered, but dismembered, her body
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  Speaker 2: thrown on the side of US sixty.
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  Speaker 10: Just hearing you describe it again, it's like we reliving it.
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  Speaker 10: That this stuff, that stuff. Uh hearing what happened to her?
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  Speaker 10: And oh, she was just tossed to the side of
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  Speaker 10: the road. I'm sorry, but it's hard. It's hard to
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  Speaker 10: hear exactly what happened to her. And I just can't
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  Speaker 10: imagine what her mom and her dad are going through
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  Speaker 10: as an extended family. It hurts, it hurts to hear
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  Speaker 10: exactly what happened to.
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  Speaker 2: Her, Mister Pike. I would like to apologize for being
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  Speaker 2: so candid and harsh with the facts, but I have
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  Speaker 2: faced many a jury and I learned at the very
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  Speaker 2: beginning this is not a time to sugarcoat or airbrush
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  Speaker 2: the truth. This is the time for the truth to
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  Speaker 2: be told. There have been many, many times and a
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  Speaker 2: break and a trial. I would go away from the
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  Speaker 2: jury or anybody else to another floor in the courthouse,
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  Speaker 2: go into the ladies room, go.
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  Speaker 3: To the furthest stall and cry or be sick.
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  Speaker 2: From what I had to do and say in the
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  Speaker 2: courtroom and prove to a jury, I'm really sorry you.
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  Speaker 2: Seeing you cry makes me want to cry because I
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  Speaker 2: think of my girl, my little Lucy, at fourteen, just
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  Speaker 2: fourteen years old. What are police telling the family? What
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  Speaker 2: are they saying happen? They don't even have a cod
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  Speaker 2: cause of death yet they don't know where she was killed.
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  Speaker 3: Do they know when she was killed? Nothing? Nothing, mister Pike.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe that Emily's case has been lost in
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  Speaker 2: the sauce because she is an American Indian?
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  Speaker 11: You said it, and it's hard for me to see
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  Speaker 11: it because I wish it wasn't like that. But the
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  Speaker 11: news coverage isn't really there. It's just local news and
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  Speaker 11: the first national news person to cover this case and
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  Speaker 11: it said if it was someone else, maybe that'll been
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  Speaker 11: all over the news.
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  Speaker 2: To say that miss so much and I really hope.
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  Speaker 7: I'm trying to see if you can come.
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  Speaker 2: Into meet next thing from our friends a Z Family TV.
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  Speaker 2: How did she go missing? Where did she go missing?
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  Speaker 2: Who took her? What did this fourteen year old girl
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  Speaker 2: endure before she was murdered and dismembered? Why did the
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  Speaker 2: killer take her arm? Arms, and hands? They haven't been found.
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  Speaker 2: We have an idea how she went missing?
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  Speaker 12: Lesson Emily Pike moves to a group home in Mesa
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  Speaker 12: to be close to health related resources. She needs. A
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  Speaker 12: creative teen. Emily loves to draw paint and she's taking
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  Speaker 12: guitar lessons, where her former roommate says she meets a
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  Speaker 12: boy who is also learning to play guitar. Emily wants
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  Speaker 12: to see the boy she likes from her guitar class
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  Speaker 12: and talk to him, but she has an allowed to
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  Speaker 12: leave the group home on her own On January twenty seventh,
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  Speaker 12: a church group comes to the home and, according to
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  Speaker 12: her ex roommate, Emily sneaks out the back door. When
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  Speaker 12: Emily doesn't return to the home, Mason Police are contacted
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  Speaker 12: by the group home and she's reported missing.
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  Speaker 2: Much has been made of the fact that this little girl,
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  Speaker 2: just fourteen, snuck out to see a boy that she
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  Speaker 2: met through guitar lessons. But let me remind everyone she
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  Speaker 2: is the innocent here. For instance, has anyone forgotten Jocelyn Nungary,
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  Speaker 2: just twelve years old, She snuck out.
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  Speaker 3: To use her cell phone.
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  Speaker 2: There's a video of her at a local seven eleven,
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  Speaker 2: and it is there she meets her perpetrators, the men
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  Speaker 2: that killed her. According to police, let's see a shot
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  Speaker 2: of them, Jose Martinez, Franklin Pina them. They are charged
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  Speaker 2: with kidnapping, assaulting, and murdering this little girl, leaving her
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  Speaker 2: body under a bridge. And then of course there's Nicole Lovell.
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  Speaker 2: She was just thirteen years old, had already survived so
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  Speaker 2: much in her short life, already surviving a liver transplant
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  Speaker 2: and so much more. Children at school making fun of
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  Speaker 2: her because she had a scar on her throat from
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  Speaker 2: a surgery. The valedictorian engineering student David Eisenhower is the
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  Speaker 2: one that lured her out of her home and then
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  Speaker 2: his friend Nalie Keepers helped destroy her body and leave
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  Speaker 2: it on the side of the road like Jocen Nungary
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  Speaker 2: was left under a bridge. One survivor, Atlisia Koskevitch thirteen,
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  Speaker 2: when she was lured out just thirteen, kidnapped, repeatedly, assault
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  Speaker 2: and the night she was set to be murdered, she
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  Speaker 2: was saved her purp a perv Scott Tyree. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that a little fourteen year old girl who
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  Speaker 2: sneaks out to meet her little friend boy that she
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  Speaker 2: plays has guitar lessons with it is really grounds for attack.
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  Speaker 2: But I guarantee you someone will attack her. Lin shaw
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  Speaker 2: I was asking all Red Pike Junior, if this case
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  Speaker 2: had been ignored, Emily's a murder unsolved because Emily is Indigenous,
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  Speaker 2: What do you think.
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  Speaker 5: We need to talk about the American crisis, which is
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  Speaker 5: women and girls in the indigenous community. They are totally ignored.
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  Speaker 5: Thank goodness, we are talking about it here today. How
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  Speaker 5: come no other media outlet has covered this story of
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  Speaker 5: this beautiful little fourteen year old.
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk about some stats. We have to.
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  Speaker 5: We have to until recently, tribal nations have their own
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  Speaker 5: kind of law enforcement. Thank goodness, they are now working
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  Speaker 5: alongside the FBI and local law enforcement. We know that
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  Speaker 5: women and girls account for about two point two percent
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  Speaker 5: of all women and girls in the United States, and
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  Speaker 5: of that they are about one little over one percent
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  Speaker 5: of the population. Can you imagine if we took the
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  Speaker 5: entire population of the United States approximately I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: three hundred and forty million and one percent, that'd be
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  Speaker 5: over thirty four million or thereabouts of murdered and missing,
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  Speaker 5: you know people. So why don't we talk about the
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  Speaker 5: indigenous community. We have a lot going on here. They
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  Speaker 5: also suffer one in ten cases, are higher than other
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  Speaker 5: ethnicities of missing and murdered. Why aren't we covering this?
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  Speaker 2: Jumping off what Lynn Shaw from Lyn's Warriors just says
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  Speaker 2: straight out to Mary Kim Titla a special guest in
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  Speaker 2: joining us. Mary Kim, executive director of Unity, which is
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  Speaker 2: United Indian Tribal Youth, Inc. Not only that first Native
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  Speaker 2: American TV journalist in Arizona joining us, Why has Emily's
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  Speaker 2: case been ignored?
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  Speaker 7: Mary Kim that's a good question, and as an Indigenous woman,
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  Speaker 7: I feel invisible. I think that we need to ask
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  Speaker 7: law enforcement. I think we need to ask people who
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  Speaker 7: are investigating these cases why there hasn't been more priority.
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  Speaker 7: We have seen in our history that we are less
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  Speaker 7: of a priority. It's an injustice and it's outrageous. I
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  Speaker 7: do have some statistics. Four and five Indigenous women have
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  Speaker 7: experienced violence in their lifetime, and the national average for
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  Speaker 7: the murder rate of women living on Indian reservations is
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  Speaker 7: ten times the national average. There's not a good number,
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  Speaker 7: but we have a fairly good idea based on some
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  Speaker 7: numbers back from twenty sixteen, that there are five thousand,
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  Speaker 7: seven hundred missing American, Indian and Alaska Native women and girls.
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  Speaker 7: So of course we're missing a few years and that
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  Speaker 7: number is now much higher. And I can personally relate
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  Speaker 7: to this because my own cousin was missing and murdered,
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  Speaker 7: my niece was missing and murdered. So this is an
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  Speaker 7: injustice and I do feel invisible, and it's a natural
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  Speaker 7: crisis and we want it addressed.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, Mary Kim Tayler, I want to adjust something.
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  Speaker 2: You just said that you feel invisible out of all
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  Speaker 2: the cases, and they're well over ten.
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  Speaker 3: Thousand of them, believe it or not.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things I have found in crime victims,
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  Speaker 2: whether they were child I'm altested, whether they were rape,
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  Speaker 2: whether they were agassaulted, whether they were.
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  Speaker 3: Set on fire.
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  Speaker 2: It just it's the feeling of helplessness that sticks with
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  Speaker 2: them forever, forever, that feeling that there's nothing.
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  Speaker 3: You can do, there's nothing you can.
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  Speaker 2: Say to fix it, and nobody is hearing you. I
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  Speaker 2: sometimes feel married Kim Titla that you and Lynnshaw and
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  Speaker 2: Emily's family, mister all Red Piped Junior with us tonight
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  Speaker 2: and you're just screaming.
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  Speaker 3: Out in the car on Third Avenue. Nobody's hearing. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Mary Kim, this.
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  Speaker 2: Little girl, all Red Pike Junior, your niece was likely raped.
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  Speaker 3: Brutally murdered. We don't even have a cod honor.
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  Speaker 2: Because her body was dismembered, dismembered, her arms and hands removed, so.
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  Speaker 3: We couldn't get an ID.
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  Speaker 2: But we did put in a bag and thrown off
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  Speaker 2: the highway. I mean, for me, the world should stop
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  Speaker 2: until this is solved.
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  Speaker 1: All read.
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  Speaker 3: But I agree with Mary Kim and Lynn Shaw. It's
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  Speaker 3: like nobody's hearing a scream.
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  Speaker 11: Marry Kim is correct. If they did pay more attention
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  Speaker 11: to my niece's case, I think we would have been
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  Speaker 11: somewheres at this point, Like you've been hitting on, there's
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  Speaker 11: cameras in the Phoenix area, and they could have at
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  Speaker 11: least tried to track down those camera footage to see
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  Speaker 11: if any cameras pickure up walking or talking to anybody in.
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  Speaker 7: The Phoenix area. My niece.
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  Speaker 11: You know, it's Native American and sad to say, we
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  Speaker 11: felt like she wasn't being prioritized to kind of make
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: Let me say that there was finally a task force
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: put together this week. That's about three weeks after her
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: body was found or identifying. So why did it take
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: so long for a task force.
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: To be formed?
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: It should have been done as soon as her body
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: was found. It's just this case has not given has
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: not been covered as much as it should be. Only
• 23:26
  Speaker 11: local news has covered it, and I'm appreciative that you're
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: covering it, and hopefully more people cover it from here
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: on out.
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: MASA police report Emily Pike as missing to the National
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: Crime Information Center the evening of January twenty seventh. The
• 23:39
  Speaker 12: same day, police got word of her disappearance. Her mother
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: is not even informed of Emily leaving the group home
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: until her fourteen year old daughter has been missing for
• 23:48
  Speaker 12: a full week. Police say it is up to the
• 23:51
  Speaker 12: group home to contact her case manager, who would then
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: have contacted Pike's family or tribe.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Just so you know, Emily for medical reasons to be
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to medical treatment, was in a home, a state home,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and a week passed before they even contacted the mother.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, do I have that wrong with me? Investigative
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: reporter and author Susan Hendrix, she catapulted to stardom in
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: her coverage of the Delphie murders of Abby and Libby.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Susan, is that right?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: They didn't bother to pick up the phone and tell
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: her mother that she's missing for a week?
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: Absolutely in the head of the group home speaking to
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: a look or reporter saying look, we're hands off type
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: of a home meaning I don't really know what that meant,
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: as if to say, like she walked off, then we
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: didn't follow her, but exactly the mom was not notified
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: for a week, and think about how much time was
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: lost there. It makes me wonder with the authorities notified
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: and to see how her body was found. There was
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: trauma to her face, severe trauma. You look at it,
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: you see that smile. It's horrifying.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I don't understand this. Is there some glitch so I
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: don't understand. All read Pike Junior. This is Emily's uncle
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: joining us. Why was the family informed for a solid
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: week that Emily was missing?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Is she that disposable?
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: Those are answers that I don't have. And it just
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: goes to back to what you're saying. She wasn't prioritized
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: and that week we could have reached out, had people
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: out there looking for her. Social media, maybe the news
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: send people out there to look for her.
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: And that week is a long time, A lot could
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: have a lot.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: My stars, all Read, You're so right.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, when you're looking for a missing child, an
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: hour an hour.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Delay is bad enough. Just think if she's in a vehicle.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: She was found like one hundred miles away.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Everybody correct me if I've got any facts wrong, because
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: they matter.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Think of it. Sixty mph an hour.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: She was sixty miles away and a week passes before
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the family is even told. It's not the first time
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: a child goes missing from a so called home The
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: case of Serenity Dinnard haunts me to this day.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: It was ten forty five am on a Sunday morning.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Serenity is in the gym at the Black Hills Children's Home.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Serenity then ran out of the building at eleven am.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: At twelve twenty six pm, a nine to one one
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: call goes out to the Pennington County Sheriff's Department.
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: There was an eighty minute delay before nine to one
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: one was called, and that's just inexplicable. I think it
• 26:35
  Speaker 13: was a matter of you know, it was Super Bowl Sunday.
• 26:37
  Speaker 13: People there were well, let's let's look for her. She
• 26:40
  Speaker 13: had run off in the past, let's find her on
• 26:42
  Speaker 13: our own first. But an hour and twenty minutes really
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: is you know, that raises a big question mark about
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: the judgment of those employees.
• 26:50
  Speaker 14: We got our dog teams out searching for Serenity. We
• 26:54
  Speaker 14: got a large crew up in the woods. We got
• 26:57
  Speaker 14: launched on time this morning, and we're just going to
• 27:00
  Speaker 14: work for as long as we can today and again,
• 27:04
  Speaker 14: our plan and our number one goal is to bring
• 27:07
  Speaker 14: Serenity home today and hopefully we can do that.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Join me right now in a special guest Chief Medical
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Examiner District two of the Emmy's office in Florida, forensic
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: pathologists and neuropathologists and toxicologists. Doctor Thomas Coin, Dodger Coin,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I'm sure that you've
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: dealt with dismemberment cases in the past. Why is it
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: if you could explain in simple terms why we cannot
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: get a cod cause of death on Emily Sure.
• 27:38
  Speaker 15: Sure for several reasons. Perhaps one because obviously this body
• 27:44
  Speaker 15: was found dismembered within bags, probably out in the environment
• 27:50
  Speaker 15: for weeks, and so there was probably a considerable amount
• 27:53
  Speaker 15: of decomposition. NI could blur our ability to see the
• 27:56
  Speaker 15: injuries as would have existed at the time of death. Also,
• 28:01
  Speaker 15: there may very well be injuries present, but not fatal injuries.
• 28:04
  Speaker 15: In other words, there's wounds I believe described of the
• 28:07
  Speaker 15: face by themselves. They may simply not be fatal injuries
• 28:11
  Speaker 15: or severe enough for them to say here is the
• 28:13
  Speaker 15: cause of death. Alternatively, there may also be toxicology reports
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: that are pending. I know a lot of times in
• 28:19
  Speaker 15: these cases we want to have an answer right away,
• 28:22
  Speaker 15: but medical examiner's offices may very well pend the cause
• 28:25
  Speaker 15: of death for other investigations. To come forward, therefore they
• 28:29
  Speaker 15: can get the answer correct in the end. I know
• 28:32
  Speaker 15: myself in these cases. I'm always in direct communication with
• 28:34
  Speaker 15: law enforcement and family. I'm letting them know what I'm
• 28:37
  Speaker 15: thinking of, what I think the cause of death is,
• 28:41
  Speaker 15: but we want to make sure in the end we
• 28:42
  Speaker 15: get it correct.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Doctor Thomas Coin, joining as Chief Medical Examiner District to
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: They're rare. They're rare.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: You don't often see dismemberments, but it makes the cood
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: sometimes nearly impossible to find. And I think that dis
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: memoriaments are rare because the mind of a killer that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: would then go on to dismember the victim is very,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: very unusual. It's very uncommon, would you agree with that,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: doctor Coin.
• 29:14
  Speaker 15: Yes, very uncommon. We don't see that often. And it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 15: also it's harder than you you would think to actually
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: dismember about it, unless you know how to readily just
• 29:23
  Speaker 15: articulate various joints, that can be very difficult as well.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: To Chris mcdonnald, joining US a veteran homicide detective and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: now at Cold Case Foundation and Star the Interview Room
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: on YouTube, Chris very rare very rare that you get
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a dismemberment typically to hide evidence, but I really think
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: it goes into the mind of the killer.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: It's not just to hide evidence.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: That's why we see so many shallow grave cases where
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: the person is buried in a shallow grave. But to
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: go through a dismemberment ordeal is very difficult to do
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and very rare.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: So what I'm getting.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: At is the mind of Emily Pie just fourteen year old,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the mind of someone that would dismember a fourteen.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Year old girl.
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Nancy, I mean we're talking about an apex predator here,
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: meaning this individual or individuals, depending on what the investigation reveals,
• 30:22
  Speaker 9: they have thought about this for quite some time. This
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: is a thought fantasy that projects itself onto the victim
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: after typically a sexual assault. So this individual or individuals
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: is at the highest threat level to the community. And
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: unfortunately Emily, you know, like Mary Kay had marykm excuse
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: me had said earlier, Emily was invisible to this suspect
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: or suspects, and thus the result that we're seeing here
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: is she was throwing away way again like a piece
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: of trash.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Glynn Shaw and joining me and founder director Lynn's Warriors,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: a nonprofit committed to ending trafficking and abuse on young
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: girls and women.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: He's right.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: The dismemberment aspect of what was done to Emily.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Compounds the fact that she was like nothing, She meant
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: nothing to the killer.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: I mean absolutely, we are seeing this in our marginalized
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: communities across the United States that they are kind of
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: amping everything up. This is so horrible, monsters dismembering bodies
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: and doing all of that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: But I want to go back on something. We have
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: to really get out.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Thank goodness, we're talking about this today, Nancy. We're putting
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: it out there. We have to continually, as hard as
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: it is, and for the Pike family, all these horrible
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: things we're talking about. We have to put this out
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: in the public. We have to put the visuals out.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: We have to keep talking about it. We have to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: follow up because that is what will matter. We'll leverage
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: the internet for good and just put it all over
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: the internet.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: But you know what, You're absolutely correct. You're absolutely correct.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Mary Kim Tittlaw joining US executive director of Unity United
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: National Indian Tribal Youth, Inc. Mary Kim, I don't enjoy
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: talking about the dismemberment of a fourteen year old girl.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: But my point is she has remained invisible and even
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: in death, when many bodies. I'll just give you an
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: example of cult mom Lori Valo, who is responsible for
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the death of her son and daughter. You should have
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: seen the way the son was basically mummified, He was
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: hermetically sealed, he was treated with great care, the way
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: that his body was disposed. That doesn't negate the fact
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: that he was murdered along with his sister Tyler. But
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: here the way Emily is treated, even in death. It's
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: shocking to my system that a little fourteen year old
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: girl will be treated this way and people aren't screaming
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: from the rooftops. This child was dismembered even in death.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: She was brutalized.
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: It's shocking and heartbreaking, and it makes me very angry.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: It makes a lot of people very angry and upset.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: Indigenous women have long been the targets of hatred and violence.
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: They say the underlying factors are there of poverty and homelessness,
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: but you also have to look at the historical factors
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: of racism, sexism, and the legacy of imperialism and colonization.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: So this is not the first time it's happened. Unfortunately,
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: as I've mentioned, my relatives have gone missing and murdered,
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: and I recently learned that an extended relative has been
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: missing since last summer. So it is heartbreaking, heart wrenching,
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: and our people are not standing by any longer. They're
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: taking action upon themselves. They're holding vigils, they're marching, they're
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: at the state capitol, they're at the offices of our
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: congressional representatives. We're speaking out because something must be done.
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: We don't want to see this happen again.
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: When the group home manager who filed the report, Emily's
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: roommate tells as family that based on where her remains
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: were found just off US sixty heading northeast, she thinks
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: Emily was just trying to go home. The roommate believes
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: Emily was trying to hitchhike back to see your parents
• 35:01
  Speaker 12: and she got picked up by the wrong person.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Susan Henry is joining me an incredible investigative reporter and author. Susan,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: is that the working theory? And how much do you
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: believe that the high rates of unsolved murders and missings,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: amongst our American Indians, the indigenous has to do with
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the fact that they do not they don't have any
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: help from local law enforcement or.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: From the FADS.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: The Feds do not govern US tribal territories. They have
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: no jeriousness there. It's up to the tribal police to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: solve all these cases. And it's not happening.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: And we heard from Emily's.
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: Uncle just say, look, a task force is finally formed,
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: so they'll be working together. How about this, Nancy Young,
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: the indigenous community, young and old are not included in
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: amberlanch in Arizona. So lawmakers are working to fight this.
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: There's a bill right now to to eight one. It's
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: past the House waiting on Senate. So, yes, they are
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: in this.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, they're not part of the Amber alert system.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Is that what you just said?
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: No, not in Arizona.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, we're learning more. Listen to what Emily's mom says.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: The mother of Emily Pike tells a local TV station
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: that authorities told her they have three suspects in the
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: disappearance and murder of her daughter, but that's not what
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: they're saying in public. According to the Healy County Sheriff's office.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: No suspects or persons of interest have been identified in
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: her case at this point. The cause and manner of
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: death are still pending, according to the Penal County Medical
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Examiner's Office, which investigates deaths in Healy County.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Oh my, pie Junior, is that true?
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: We're just hearing there's a suggestion that there are three
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: pois persons of interest.
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: That was at the beginning of the after her body
• 36:47
  Speaker 11: was found. But just recently we found out that the
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: investigator said they didn't have anybody, no suspects or anything,
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: no lead.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: What investigator is this?
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: What?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Ellie, are you talking to HeLa County, HeLa County, Susan Hendricks.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Aren't the FBI involved?
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: Now, absolutely, FBI is involved and they're part of that
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: task force. But in doing research on this, learning about
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: who Emily was, also learning about all the law enforcement agencies,
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: they're not saying much and it seems like the communication
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: obviously there's a lot there.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm very interested, Mary kim Tittler joining us.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Another little girl, a teen girl, Veronica Cruz, is missing
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: from the same home.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard about her either.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: It's very sad and I am very troubled by that news.
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: It's an alarming statistic when you look at the ages
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: of missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls. We're talking
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: about young girls and so many of them are missing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: Why aren't we hearing more about this? I'm just as
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: outraged as everyone else. It makes me sad, it makes
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: me mad. Murder is the third leading cause of death
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: of Indigenous women. There are people who don't know this there.
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: It's so important to educate everyone and to create awareness.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: That's why you're seeing these marches, That's why you're seeing
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: people speaking out. You're seeing murals. This beautiful mural that
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: was created on the reservation right by a major highway
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: so people who drive by can see Emily's photo and
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: see that we care. We care deeply about what's happening
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: in our communities and we don't want this to happen
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: over and over again. But it is happening. Why are
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: are girls going missing? Why aren't we doing more about it?
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: It's at all levels of government, and there's layers and
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: layers of underlying factors that we start to peel away,
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: and so we do have to address those layers of
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: poverty and homelessness. But we have to work on this together.
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: So we are asking for everyone's help to meet with people,
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: to meet with the indigenous communities to figure out how
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: we can address this better so we don't see another
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: girl go missing.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: To Lynn Shaw, my longtime friend and colleague who I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: first met as we investigated the case of another little
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: girl missing from a home, Serenity Dinnard, Lynn, everything that you,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Mary Kim, mister Pie, Chris McDonough, doctor Coin, susan Hanjakobs said,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: it's all true.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: But let me ask you what are we going to do.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: We're going to do several things. It starts with right
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: here today we are talking about it. We are raising
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: the awareness. That is the biggest thing we can do
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: with the public. Get everybody on board and give them
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: some resources and visuals to share, whether it's in real time,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: whether it's on their social media platforms. Number two, we have.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: To go back.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm not hearing in any of this discussion.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: Did little Emily have a digital footprint? Did she have
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: a phone? Did she have a laptop? We're not hearing
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: anything about that. How was she going out to meet
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: supposedly her boy, this boy she knew from guitar classes.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Or something like that.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: I'm hearing nothing about a digital footprint. And number three
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: the biggest thing I will sit here and scream about.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: And we have seen these stories, Nancy, over and over again.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: What does it take. We cannot have children walking away, missing,
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: ending up like Emily, you know, bless her little soul
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: in garbage bags. Everybody should be out screaming in the
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: middle of Times Square about this. We will not accept this,
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: and we have to create change.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: disappearance and murder of this little girl just fourteen years old,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: please dial nine two eight two hundred two three five
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: to two repeat nine two eight two hundred two three
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: five two or five zero five nine one seven seven
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: eight three zero. There is a seventy five thousand dollars
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: reward seventy five thousand dollars reward in the search for
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: this little girl's killer. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,