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‘Cult Mom' Lori Vallow shows up to court sporting neon pink lipstick & mermaid curls, but refuses to reveal where her missing children are, JJ and Tylee · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: You know what when you have two children missing and
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  Speaker 1: you're more worried about curling your hair and putting on
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  Speaker 1: neon pink lipstick and blue toneil polish than you are
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  Speaker 1: about reassuring all the family members and relatives that those
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  Speaker 1: children are okay, that's a problem. Now. Defense attorneys will
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  Speaker 1: tell you that means absolutely nothing, but I disagree. Laurie
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  Speaker 1: Valo showed up in court in style, defiant, smiling, laughing,
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  Speaker 1: but never once revealing where are Jj and Tylie, her
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  Speaker 1: missing children? I Nancy Grace, This is Crime Stories. Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Did you see cult mom Laurie
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  Speaker 1: Vallo in court? Because I sure did, and she was
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  Speaker 1: dressed for the occasion. She just didn't come to court.
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  Speaker 1: She came to court in style, with curls cascading down
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  Speaker 1: her shoulders, bright hot pink lipstick on a face, full
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  Speaker 1: of makeup, pink handcuffs, and blue polished toe nails. But
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  Speaker 1: never once did she turn and look back at the
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  Speaker 1: twenty plus actually nearly thirty family relatives and friends searching
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  Speaker 1: for her. Children and say they're okay. I'm their mother.
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  Speaker 1: I never hurt them, don't worry never. As a matter
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  Speaker 1: of fact, she came into the courtroom smiling, joking, apparently
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  Speaker 1: with her lawyers, leaving the courtroom defiant, shin up, shoulders squared.
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  Speaker 1: Never a word about her missing children, JJ and Tyley.
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  Speaker 1: But what now? The bond has been lowered from five
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  Speaker 1: million to one million. That means somebody, I am her husband,
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  Speaker 1: Chad day Bill, her fifth husband, could step up to
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  Speaker 1: the polite knock home run putting up one hundred grant
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  Speaker 1: to get her out of jail. And then what I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime stories and first order of business.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: As many in the town of Rexburg demanded to know
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  Speaker 1: where our seven year old JJ and seventeen year old
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  Speaker 1: Tyle Valo, who's charged with felony child abandonment, has revealed
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  Speaker 1: nothing about the fate of her kids. Investigators confirmed Tyley
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  Speaker 1: was last seen in Yellowstone National Park. There is no
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  Speaker 1: evidence of Tyle Ryan leaving this park. The FBI is
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  Speaker 1: now calling on everyone that visited here September eighth to
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  Speaker 1: look through their photos for signs of the family. As
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  Speaker 1: Valo's husband, Chad day Bell looked on. Her defense attorney complained,
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  Speaker 1: Valo has been hounded by the masses. She cannot go
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  Speaker 1: anywhere without cameras and people scrutinizing her every single move,
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  Speaker 1: also speaking out JJ's grandparents, Kay and Larry Woodcock, whose
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  Speaker 1: demand for a welfare check launched the search. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: all we have one question, where are the kids? Where
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  Speaker 1: are the kids? Where are the kids? Bring them home
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  Speaker 1: and be always said at one million dollars if release,
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  Speaker 1: Valo will have to wear an ankle bracelet. At no
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  Speaker 1: point during this hearing did Valo or her attorney mentioned
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  Speaker 1: where the kids are? You're hearing our friends at CBS
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  Speaker 1: This Morning News. That was Jonathan Wigliotti. Wow, still no
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  Speaker 1: worried about where the children are? This as bond has
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  Speaker 1: been posted reduced by the judge from five meal to
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  Speaker 1: one million? What does that mean? And where are the children?
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  Speaker 1: Are they dead or alive? Joining me an all star
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  Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, renowned defense lawyer, and you can take everything,
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  Speaker 1: he says with a box of salt. Troy Slayton, my
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  Speaker 1: friend from La Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD
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  Speaker 1: twenty two years, homicide author Seattle's Forgotten serial killer Gary
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  Speaker 1: Jane Grant Cloyd. I haven't forgotten him. Karen Start, New
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  Speaker 1: York psychologists joining us from Manhattan. You can find her
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  Speaker 1: at Karen Start dot com. That's with a C and
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  Speaker 1: right now to you, Nate Eaton report with East Idaho
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  Speaker 1: News dot com. Nate, I want to start with a
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  Speaker 1: bombshell that I'm onto you right now. According to sources,
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  Speaker 1: Lorie Vallo's brother, remember him, Nate Alex Cox has been linked.
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  Speaker 1: Now follow me, stay with me, Nate. To the death
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  Speaker 1: of Chad day Belle's wife. Remember her, Tammy. She's in
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  Speaker 1: her forties training for a marathon and dies in her sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Is it true? Nate Eaton that Lorie Tammy day Bell,
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  Speaker 1: Lorie Vallo's current husband. Dead wife who was worth about
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty three thousand dollars life insurance to
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  Speaker 1: Chad day Bell, said on her Facebook that somebody took
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  Speaker 1: a shot at her while she was standing in her
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  Speaker 1: driveway just before she passed away in her sleep. True.
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  Speaker 1: Not true, Nate Eaton. That is true. That is the
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  Speaker 1: police before that she called in. She said she got
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  Speaker 1: home one night, Nancy, it was dark. It was October,
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  Speaker 1: ten days before her death. Nate, Nate, Nate, Slow, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just hearing in my ear from Jackie that we
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  Speaker 1: are now being joined by special guest, Rich Robertson, private
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  Speaker 1: investigator of our three investigations. Why it's he special, Not
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  Speaker 1: that you're not, Nate Eating, You've very special to me.
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  Speaker 1: But he was hired to work on the Laurie Valo case.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right with you, Rich, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Nate Eaton, how can you be so calm?
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  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, somebody took a shot at her. What
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  Speaker 1: don't think it through, Nate Eating. Remember Laurie and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be inside baseball here. But remember Laurie
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  Speaker 1: Valo's niece, Bedrow. Her husband says somebody took a shot
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  Speaker 1: at him. Now, somebody's taken a shot at Tammy day Bell.
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  Speaker 1: This is not normal, Nate. People don't just get shot
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  Speaker 1: at in the driveway. No, No, it's not normal at all.
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  Speaker 1: But back then, don't say I'm very upset. Go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: back before all this broke. Tammy's getting home, She gets
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  Speaker 1: out of her car. They live in the country. This
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  Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and there's a masked man standing in her
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  Speaker 1: driveway asked firing what she believed with a paintball gun.
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  Speaker 1: So she yelled for Chad. He came running out and
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  Speaker 1: the man took off. They filed the police report. The
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  Speaker 1: police went out to the house. They did some investigating,
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  Speaker 1: and they believed at the time that it was a
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  Speaker 1: prankster who showed up in the driveway firing this gun,
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  Speaker 1: and that it was a paintball gun. It wasn't until
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  Speaker 1: ten days later when Tammy died in her sleep, as
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, very they called it natural, but now they're
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  Speaker 1: calling it suspicious that they thought there might be more too,
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  Speaker 1: that gunman in the driveway. And then, of course, as
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, why didn't they think it was a paint gun.
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  Speaker 1: Why would it be a paint gun? Well, because based
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  Speaker 1: on how they thought it was a paintball gun missfiring,
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  Speaker 1: possibly because no bullets or anything actually came out. It
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  Speaker 1: was like an air soft kind of noise. How do
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  Speaker 1: we know no bullets came out because she didn't think
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  Speaker 1: any bullets came out. Well, she didn't think she wasn't hit.
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  Speaker 1: She told police she thought it was a paintball gun.
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  Speaker 1: She actually told the guy, according to her Facebook post,
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  Speaker 1: she said, what are you doing? Get out of here.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't funny, This isn't a prank. It doesn't sound
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  Speaker 1: like a prank to me, Nate. I'm going to circle
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  Speaker 1: back to you on Alex Cox. But right now Rich
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  Speaker 1: Robertson Private Investigator are three investigations there in Tempe. Rich Robertson,
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  Speaker 1: great to talk to you. I've been reading about You've
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  Speaker 1: been studying you and researching you. How did you first
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  Speaker 1: get tangled up with cult mom Laurie day Bell. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get tied up with her directly. I was
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  Speaker 1: hired by Brandon Boudreau, who was this is so tangled
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  Speaker 1: that we need a flow chart for this. Okay. Brandon
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  Speaker 1: Boudreau is married to Laurie Valo's niece, or was Mary? Okay, correctly, Melanie,
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  Speaker 1: that's correct and uh. And he himself was the target
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  Speaker 1: of a drive by shooting, a drive by shooting that
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  Speaker 1: he thought initially was a paintball gun. But he also
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  Speaker 1: was outside of his house when somebody in a vehicle
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  Speaker 1: took a shot at him, and in this case that
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  Speaker 1: actually struck his car so well, was it a paintball?
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  Speaker 1: He initially thought it was a paintball just from the
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  Speaker 1: sound of it, but realized very quickly when it was
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  Speaker 1: a bullet that hit the upper window. Framework, let me
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  Speaker 1: understand something, Rich Robertson with me along with Nate Eaton
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  Speaker 1: with East Idaho News dot Com. Rich pi ar three
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  Speaker 1: investigations in Tempe. Rich, hold on, let me understand this
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  Speaker 1: both that I guess you would say the nephew in law,
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreau and Timmy day Bell think it was a
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  Speaker 1: paint gun, but it turned out with Boudreau it's not
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  Speaker 1: a paint gun. The significance of this is this is
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  Speaker 1: all tied in allegedly to Laurie Valo's brother who's now
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  Speaker 1: dead too, Alex Cox. So Rich wasn't the assailant in
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  Speaker 1: Bedrow's case driving Charles Valo's vehicle. Yes, That's how he
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  Speaker 1: initially suspected that Alex Cocus it involved, because he recognized
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle that this this shot came from, and it
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  Speaker 1: was a gray, gray green kind of jeep wrangler with
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  Speaker 1: a Texas license plate, and he recognized that as being
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  Speaker 1: a vehicle that Charles Valow had You he'd actually bought.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Those children, Tyli and
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  Speaker 1: JJ that are missing are the only ones that really
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  Speaker 1: know what happened to Charles Valo. Alex coxed the brother.
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo's brother killed the husband. Charles Valo and those
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  Speaker 1: children are the only witnesses. They were home Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace everybody. For those of you just joining us,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. We've been talking a
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  Speaker 1: lot of inside baseball on the Lorie Valo okase. But
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  Speaker 1: let's bring it all home. How in the hay did
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  Speaker 1: we get right here right now? Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friend Gretchen Parson said kt V seven, Boise, Idaho.
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  Speaker 1: All we say, while they found Laurie and Chad in
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  Speaker 1: Kawai over the weekend, there's no evidence that her children
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  Speaker 1: were ever there. Hawaii police served Lorie with a court
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  Speaker 1: order that says she has five days to physically produce
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  Speaker 1: the kids. Chad, where are Laurie's kids? Mate Eaton with
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  Speaker 1: East Idaho News was in Kawaii this weekend. Right after
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  Speaker 1: police served Lorie Vallo and Chad day Bell with two
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  Speaker 1: search warrants, one for this Black Forward explored the couple
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  Speaker 1: was driving around the island, and another for their Kawaie
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  Speaker 1: town home, where the couple's been living. They've been missing
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  Speaker 1: for four months. You have nothing to say. You're over
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  Speaker 1: here in Hawaii. Please don't know how long the couple's
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  Speaker 1: been in Hawaii. Lori and Chad staying mostly quiet before
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  Speaker 1: ducking into the Kawaie Beach resort over the weekend. There's
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  Speaker 1: people around the country praying for your children, praying for you, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you give us answers. That's great, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: That's great that they're praying for you and praying for
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  Speaker 1: your kids. What okay? You were just hearing the voice
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  Speaker 1: of Nate eating East Idaho News dot Com. Nate, that's
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  Speaker 1: you running along beside her, going hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  Speaker 1: where are your children? Here's the deal. She had an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity in court in the last days to turn around
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  Speaker 1: and tell all the family that were gathered there behind
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution on I add the children are okay, She said,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. There's two choices, Nate. Either they are tucked
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  Speaker 1: away with that doomsday cult group she was sucked into,
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  Speaker 1: or they're dead. Nate Eaton, bring us up today. What's
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  Speaker 1: happening right now? Well, right now, Laurie is sitting in jail.
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  Speaker 1: She has not posted that million dollars bail, but she
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  Speaker 1: is hoping to be bailed out. The fear today, though, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: is that a lot of bill bondsmen don't want to
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  Speaker 1: touch her. What the fear of? Who Who's I'm not
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  Speaker 1: afraid at all that she won't get out of jail.
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  Speaker 1: I'm afraid she will get out of jail. Oh, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Most people in our community don't want to see her
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  Speaker 1: walking free, especially with those two children being missing. So
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  Speaker 1: she's sitting in jail. The bail bondsman they don't want
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  Speaker 1: to take the risk of possibly putting up the rest
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  Speaker 1: of her bail and getting her out of jail, so
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  Speaker 1: she still sits locked up. They were hoping to get
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  Speaker 1: her out, you know, days ago, and that hasn't happened.
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  Speaker 1: And then, of course, the search for jj entirely continues
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  Speaker 1: with no solid leads as of today. I mean, Rich, Robertson,
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  Speaker 1: and PI are three investigations in Tampe. Rich, when the
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  Speaker 1: FBI releases the last known photo of your children, you
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  Speaker 1: got a problem. Think about it, Rich, She Laurie Valo
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  Speaker 1: cult mom, and that murderer's brother of hers. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he had an aggravated assault case conviction for tasing Joseph Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: her third husband, right, aggravated assault conviction for tazing her
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  Speaker 1: third husband, and then the fourth husband he shoots dead. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at that scenario, Rich, and this is
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  Speaker 1: what I've been able to glean. And you tell me
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  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. My mind is open. I want to
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  Speaker 1: know more. That the dad Valo comes to the house
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  Speaker 1: to get JJ I guess visitation. I can tell from
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  Speaker 1: the body cam when the cops get there that the
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  Speaker 1: house is already almost empty. There's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff in the house. Tells me they're clearing out already. Also,
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  Speaker 1: the dad gets out Valo to get j J. And
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  Speaker 1: an altercation ensues with Valo, Lorie Valo's brother Alex, and
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  Speaker 1: then the little girl Tylie runs and gets a bat
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  Speaker 1: and gives it to Valo. That tells me that the
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  Speaker 1: children were on Valoe's side, not the brother. Valo takes
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  Speaker 1: the bat to Alex and Alex shoots him dead. At
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  Speaker 1: least that's the story we're getting. What do you know
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  Speaker 1: Rich Robertson, Well, I believe. I believe the story is
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  Speaker 1: that that she brought it to Alex. Okay, that she
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  Speaker 1: brought the bat to Alex, and that Charles took it
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  Speaker 1: away from tried to she too, he took it away
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  Speaker 1: from Tylie before she was able to give it to Alex, So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and the stories was coming from Hili and
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  Speaker 1: Alex only. So who knows what the truth is? And
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  Speaker 1: as you pointed out, the only frankly, the only witness
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  Speaker 1: to this holds the July situation. Who's left at the
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  Speaker 1: moment is Lorie Value. You know, I'd be curious to
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  Speaker 1: find out if she had ever taken those children up
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  Speaker 1: to Yellowstone before the day that there they go missing.
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  Speaker 1: Joining you right now, troyce Letton, renowned a criminal defense
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  Speaker 1: attorney out of La Troy. What got into that judge
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  Speaker 1: lowering that five meal bond to one million? The judge
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  Speaker 1: was following the law. She's only been charged with two
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  Speaker 1: felony counts of desertion. She hasn't been charged with a
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  Speaker 1: capital crime. There's no evidence of a murder, and the
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  Speaker 1: only purpose of bail is to ensure somebody's return to court.
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  Speaker 1: So I think the judge had to do what the
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  Speaker 1: law says, which is set reasonable bail. Okay, hold on
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  Speaker 1: a million dollars is completely unreasonable given the charges Cloyd
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  Speaker 1: Steiger with me thirty six years Seattle PD. I knew
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  Speaker 1: that's what Troye. Slayton was going to say. I actually
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  Speaker 1: laid a trap for him, Cloyd, because you and I
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  Speaker 1: know that the prongs that are looked at by a
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  Speaker 1: judge when setting bail or bond as I call it,
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  Speaker 1: is will they commit another crime? I mean, this woman
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  Speaker 1: has such a string of dead bodies behind her. She
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  Speaker 1: needs to be in and solitary number two. Will they
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  Speaker 1: come back for court dates? And here's the problem. She's
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  Speaker 1: already absconded once Cloyd Steiger. She lied to cops allegedly
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  Speaker 1: about where the children were. She allegedly enlisted somebody else
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  Speaker 1: to lie to cops, Melanie Gibbons, and she disobeyed a
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  Speaker 1: court order to show up in court. So why would
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  Speaker 1: you give bond. It's not just about the dangerousness or
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  Speaker 1: the likelihood of fleeing. She's already spit in the judge's
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  Speaker 1: face by not showing up to court already, So why
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  Speaker 1: would you lower bond? Well, I you know, again, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a lawyer, but I do see that the side
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  Speaker 1: of that. She's only charged these two crimes, but there's
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  Speaker 1: so much smoke, and like you said, she's absconded already.
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  Speaker 1: She left the day after the police bade wild per
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  Speaker 1: check and ended up in Hawaii, and then she ignored
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  Speaker 1: a court order. What's the keeper from just absconding again.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that's probably what would happen if they let
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  Speaker 1: her go. Right now, Bill Bondsman's apparently not cooperating with Laurie,
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  Speaker 1: as she says wants to be called miss day Bell.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, listen to kat VB seven
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  Speaker 1: reporter Misty Englet about what happened in court. The first
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  Speaker 1: matter of business day is the judge asked Laurie whether
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to go by Valo or day Bell, to
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  Speaker 1: which she responded missus day Bell. Now, also in court today,
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  Speaker 1: the judge lowered her bond from five million dollars down
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  Speaker 1: to one million dollars. As part of that discussion, prosecution
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  Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that both JJ and Highly received Social
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  Speaker 1: Security benefits, and Laurie continued to receive those payments even
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  Speaker 1: after the kids disappeared and she moved to Hawaii. During court,
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  Speaker 1: Laurie was seen smiling a few times and seemed very
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  Speaker 1: at ease through the whole process. After the hearing, her
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  Speaker 1: older son Kobe Ryan said he doesn't really recognize his mom. Now.
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  Speaker 1: She can't continue to hide. She cannot continue to hide
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  Speaker 1: for fifth, the kids have rights too. The kids have
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  Speaker 1: right climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about the so called cult mom, Laurie Valow. She is
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  Speaker 1: called cult mom because she has within a few weeks
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  Speaker 1: after her third excuse me fourth husband being shot dead,
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  Speaker 1: she remarries to Chad day Bell. To Rich Robertson and
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  Speaker 1: PI with our three investigations in Tempe, Rich, tell me
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  Speaker 1: about the cult that Laurie Valo and new husband Chad
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  Speaker 1: day Bell are part of. Well, we've been it called
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  Speaker 1: his uh, this kind of broad term. The folks that
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  Speaker 1: Chad day Bell seemed to be some kind of a
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  Speaker 1: leader of a small group that included Lorie Valow and
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  Speaker 1: her niece Melanie and a number of their friends and
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  Speaker 1: a number of people in Retchburg. They seem to be
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  Speaker 1: a subgroup of of a larger kind of fringe prepper
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  Speaker 1: group and all of those folks. Okay, what right did
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  Speaker 1: you just say? They're uh split off a fringe group.
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  Speaker 1: So there, it's kind of like off Broadway, then there's
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  Speaker 1: off off Broadway, then there's off off off Broadway. So
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  Speaker 1: you're telling me this group they seem to be a
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  Speaker 1: fringe They seem to be a fringe group of a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: fringe group. Okay. And I've read the divorce papers that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: were filed by now dead husband Charles Valo, and in
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: his divorce papers, he says to you, Nate Eden East
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Idaho News dot Com, that Lorie Valo told him she's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: already married, and what does she say, eternally sealed with
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the ancient prophet Moroni, which is um part of the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Mormon religion, and that she has been chosen to lead
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the chosen one hundred forty four thousand people that are
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: going to get to go to heaven. So you know, Jackie,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that rules us out. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we're going to make it. If there's only one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and forty four thousand people going to heaven since the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of time, I don't think we're in there. Jack
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I'll speak for myself that she's going to
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  Speaker 1: lead them to the nie Jerusalem after the war, the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: end war of the world, and if he Charles Valo,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: gets in her way, she'll kill him. I guess he
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: did file for a divorce Nate Eton. Yeah, Well, Charles
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: was so worried that he went before the judge and said,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I want custody of the kids because my wife's talking
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like this, that she is a goddess, that this is
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: her mission, that she is sent here to Earth to
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: usher in the second coming of Jesus Christ, and Nancy
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the world will end on July twenty second of this year,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and so a lot of people wonder if she was
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: preparing for this second coming by doing something with her children,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: by you know, maybe taking dramatic actions so that they
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: would be prepared for the second Coming. And I think
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: in the coming days, as court documents come out and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: as we get ready for the next hearing, we'll be
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: learning more just about what she told others and what
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: investigators know as well. Karen Stark, my longtime colleague and friend,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: something just hit me based on Nate Eton East Idaho
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: News dot Com said, Karen, you and I have covered
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: many many cases together. You're a shrink. I'm a former prosecutor,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and we've covered a lot of mothers that kill their children,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and many of them do so for misplaced religious beliefs
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: such as I don't want them to live in a
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: world of sin. So I'll just go ahead and bast
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: ahead and with rock right now, and let to get
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: them to go to heaven pure. And I'm talking about
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Dana Lacy. Then you had aunt Andrea Yates who drowned
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: all her children to send them to a better place,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and on and on. We know Laurie Valo was so
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: deeply involved with this cult all along. I've secretly believed,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Karen Start, that there's a very good chance she's got
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: them tucked away alive, because she seems so unconcerned about
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: where they are or their safety. And I'm sure the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: cops would have looked at their cell phone records to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: see if she's calling someone and checking on them and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: then trace that number. What do you make of what
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you're hearing in those divorce papers, Karen Start, As it
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: relates to the safety of the children, but it sounds
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: like it's seriously judge Nancy the kinds of things that
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: we heard before. It sounds like religious conviction in something
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that would ever makes sense to us that they begin
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to see it's psychosis, but psychosis in this case perhaps
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: combined with some kind of strong belief that this is
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: what will definitely happen on July twenty second, and that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: she is placed here to be a part of that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: What frightens me is if it has to do with
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the people that are going and some of them are dead,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: whatever this concoction is, then her children may not be alive.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And actually she would seem very smug and defiance because
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: she would believe that she is doing what's best for
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: her children. You know, I noticed in Coordinate Aton that
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: she seems very nonchalant, smiling. Have you seen the shots
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: of her in Missus, Texas, Because if you haven't, please
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: go to crime online dot com. Because I was done.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: She looked awesome in her evening gown and her bikini.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: She's gotten the body of a twenty five year old.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I guess she looked really beautiful. What I'm saying is
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: she strutted her stuff again in court when we're there
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: about her missing children, and it just seems so misplaced
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to me. Nate Aton, Yeah, a lot of people said
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: when she walked in that she seemed to almost enjoy
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the attention. She didn't look back at Chad, her husband
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: at all. She walked right past the grandparents of her
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: missing kid, little JJ. She sat down, she smiled, she
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: chatted with her attorney. I saw her several times rolling
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: her eyes when the charges were being read out. I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: think the most startling thing people were were surprised by
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: was her bright red lipstick, which we believe was given
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it her pink red Yeah, I guess it depends yet
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: together at you you see better colors than I do, Nancy,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you that that. You know, she sat
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: down right away and it didn't seem to really have
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a care in the world and just seemed to kind
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of enjoy the attention, which was odd considering that, as
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about, these kids are still gone,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and her brother's dead, and her ex husband's dead, and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: her current husband wife, her former wife is dead. Well,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you know what else is Troy Slayton defense lawyer out
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of LA Troy Slayton. We heard her defense attorney whining that, oh,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: she's so famous now, it's tortuous for her. But yeah,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: when she came into court, she was, as my husband says,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: all dolled up, every single movement. If she were to
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: be let out, it's going to be followed by the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: pap rozzi, just like any Hollywood celebrity here in Los Angeles.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So there are men. Wait a minute, Troy. La is
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a whole, whole different world. I don't think you can
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: compare anywhere else in the US to La. Hi, guys,
• 27:54
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• 28:27
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• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: first order of business. Thank you for being with us.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Kim Powell. At three
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: TV CBS five Arizona, Laurie Vallo's son Kolbe Ryan, saw
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: his mom for the first time in months as she
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: walked across the courtroom in handcuffs and orange and white stripes,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: being her trying to walk eyes. She's trying to get
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a connection Hill Bob. Knowing she didn't have the kids
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: from our priment. That was really hard to really. Laurie
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: smiled several times throughout her initial appearance in front of
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a judge in Idaho. Her attorney argued for her bond
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of five million dollars to be lowered for several reasons,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: claiming that none of the charges against her include violence,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and she has ties to Idaho. A five million dollar
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: bond is unreasonable, it's astronomically excessive, and as the functional
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: equivalent of holding Laurie without bond. The state prosecutor fought back,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: noting that Laurie left Idaho once she was contacted by
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: law enforcement about her kids. Jj N Tilly. This case
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: who started as a criminalcation honor, It started as report
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: two missing children who are still missing. Right now, Laurie
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Vallo sits in a jailhouse because apparently at least two
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: bail bondsmen have refused to help her with her bond.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: This is how it works in most jurisdictions. You have
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to put down ten percent of the bond. So if
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: it's a million dollar bond, ten percent of that one
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: hundred grand, you've got to secure that with either cash
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: collateral such as a home that equals up the rest.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: So in this case, it have to be nine hundred thousand.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Rich Robertson, Private
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: investigator or three Investigations. You can find them at our
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: three Investigations dot com. Rich Robertson. So it's the end
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of the world. And I'm not mocking their beliefs because
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: i don't like it when people mock my religion. I'm
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: a Methodist and i don't like it at all. So
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not mocking them. I don't believe it, but I'm
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: not mocking them. Rich Robertson, what you're intimately familiar with
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: this case? What do you think happened to JJ entirely?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: That's certainly the sixty four million dollar question. Um, it's
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: as as your psychologist was pointing out, that we're trying
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: to come up with rational explanations for irrational acts and
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: all for all we know they're hiding out in a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: cave someplace for safety. Here safety from who waiting waiting
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: till the end of the world. But there's got to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: be somebody taking care of them. If she's got they're
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: stowed away, Rich Rob somebody without a TV apparently, because
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: somebody who doesn't care what's on the TV. Rich. There's
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: only two possibilities. Either she and that brother of hers.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: He's dead now, and I'd like to get the results
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: on that autopsy of his. Either she and her brother
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: took them out to Yellowstone and kill them, or they
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: rendezvoud with someone, and that someone has the children, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: that someone is most likely connected to their doomsday cult.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: So I would think the cops are tracing every cell
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: phone finding out if they're using burner phones to find
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: out about the children. Chad day Bell turns around to
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: people and goes, they're okay, He said to reporters. I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: believe it was the children are okay, are safe. So,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, it makes me think there's something nefarious going
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: on because she won't tell where they are well, or
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that she's answering to a higher power than man's law.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's who knows. We don't know what's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: going on inside her head or or the others. I
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: mean that she hide out the kids while she's while
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: she waits in Hawaii for them. Yeah, I mean, if
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: they're in a cave and she's living it up getting
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: room service in Hawaii, you know that's quite the dichotomy.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: But Troy Slayton, here's my concern. I mean, you look
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: at her. She seems like she's not worried about the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: children at all. That would mean are they okay or
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: have they already gone to heaven? But Troy, how many
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: times have I said to you, specifically when you don't
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: know a horse, look at his or in this case,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: her track record. You've got two dead husbands and I
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: still want answers on Joseph Ryan. That's husband number three,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: who died of in a parent heart attack and got
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: cremated so fast everybody's head was spinning us Ryan, and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that would be Tyley's bio dad. Then you've got Valo,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Charles Valo. He's dead at the hands of her brother,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: who also has an agg assault for chasing another husband.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: So you got Tammy day Bill dead, Alex Cox dead,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Charles Valo dead, and Joseph Ryan dead. That's a track record,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, That is a track record. I mean, court
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: all the time. When prosecutors like you, Nancy say to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the jury, well, where there's smoke, there's fire. I didn't
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: just say that. That's not what I said. I mean, Jackie,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: did I say anything about smoking fire dead? I that's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a yes, no, no, no no. So, Nancy, just because
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: there may be suspicious for dead bodies and dead bodies,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: she has not been accused of those cryings, and she
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: has not been charged with those crimes. And she is
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: not a suspect in those crimes. Oh, I don't know
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: about that. I don't know about that. So I know
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: they were worried. Authorities worried, and nothing they dug up.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell, who died in her sleep. I just
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: shot at her in the drive, has nothing to do
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with her, and also married
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: day Bell's husband two weeks later. You're putting too much
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: on Oh, she didn't look over at this person. She
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: didn't look back at her face. I'm looking at her
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: dead body. Ty if she's been investigated for a crime,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: even being around a dead body at a murder saying,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: have you ever been at a murder saying before the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: body was removed, Troyce Layton, I have not, Well, let
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: me tell you something. It's something you never forget. And
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: we don't have one dead body. We have four dead bodies,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and we're never going to know what really happened to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan because he got cremated like that. She is
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: doing what her attorneys are telling her to do, which
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: is concentrate on the matter at hand. She can't look
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: back at people in the gallery and start talking to
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: them or give give signs of reassurance to her family.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: No matter Sean her son, her son is there she
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: says or does, is going to be examined by the
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: court and could be used against her in a court
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: of loss. She's doing exactly what she needs to be doing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Nate Eton East, Idaho news dot com. Did I ever
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: tell you about the time that my baby I've got
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: too They're both twelve, John David and Lucy. John David
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: was lost very briefly on a Disney cruise, and when
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I saw him at a distance, I felt I ran.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I ran to him and got down on my knees
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and grabbed him. Now, think about it, she had an
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: one of her oldest child in court, her son. She
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: sees him in court for the first time, and the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Lord only knows how long. And there was nothing, no
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I love you, no WELLO a kiss, no attempted hug, nothing. Yeah,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: And he came all the way up from Arizona to
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Idaho in hopes of talking to his mother, and we
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: talked to him after the court. He said that I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: just want to sit down. I want to talk to her.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: He said. The very first thing he'll ask her is
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: where's my sister, where's my brother, where's JJ, where's Tyleie mom?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: And as far as you know, that meeting did not happen,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: we do know that she is communicating with Chad. He's
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: allowed to video chat with her every day on the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: video chat system. He can't meet with her face to face,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: that he has been phoning in with her video chatting
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: with her, So we do know that that's happening instead
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the Morgan County Jail, Morgan County, thank you. And she
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: can meet in person with clergy and lawyers, but video
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: chat with everybody else. You know that's being recorded, right, Oh,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: everything's being monitored. You're right. And you would think that
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: law enforcement is closely paying attention to what they might
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: stay between the two of them, and they could possibly
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: use that as intelligence us been my privilege. They can't
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: do a thing with it. That just means it can't
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: come into court. That doesn't mean they can't eavesdrop. Okay,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: here's the deal, guys. These two children who are defenseless
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: are either tucked away with some doomsday cult or they're dead.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Only one person knows the answer, and that's Laurie Valley,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: former Miss Texas contestant. We wait as justice unfalls, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: we pray for their safety. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,