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Ep. 640: Foundations - Avoiding Overlooked Hunt Planning Mistakes · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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  Speaker 1: to the fundamentals better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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  Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wire to Hunt
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  Speaker 1: Foundations podcast, which brought to you by First Light. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Tony Peterson, and this week I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the things we often overlook when we start
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  Speaker 1: planning our over the road whitetail months. Last week I
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  Speaker 1: covered the fine tuning aspects of really taking your ambush
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  Speaker 1: sites to the next level, and I think that's something
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  Speaker 1: in the deer game. It just doesn't get a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of love, but should and I think March is
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  Speaker 1: a great month to do that kind of stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: also think it's a great month to start working on
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  Speaker 1: your over the road whitetail trips. Now, we all know
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  Speaker 1: about some of the stuff involved in this right, like
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  Speaker 1: researching tags and e scouting, but there's a hell of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other details that don't seem all that
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  Speaker 1: important now until you get like six hours down the
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  Speaker 1: road and start setting up camp somewhere, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about this week with my friends.
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  Speaker 1: Last year, one of our neighbors walked past our house
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  Speaker 1: with her little boy and a puppy, And when you
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  Speaker 1: have twin girls in middle school, a fresh puppy sighting
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  Speaker 1: is pretty big news. Now, the next time that neighbor
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  Speaker 1: walked by, we all went outside to greet the new dog.
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  Speaker 1: It was an eight week old doodle of some sort. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a dog guy, so I love most canines, even
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  Speaker 1: the ones that don't really have a job quite like
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  Speaker 1: a I don't know, a German short hair or a lab.
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  Speaker 1: Might this pup, Lola, she wasn't meant to be a worker,
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  Speaker 1: only a good family dog, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know. Without sounding like too much of
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  Speaker 1: an ass, I'm usually pretty suspicious of popular breeds. I've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, so I won't go into
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  Speaker 1: it too much. But in the dog world, breeds rise
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  Speaker 1: and fall in popularity, and that means demand rises, and
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  Speaker 1: when it does, prices go up and folks try to
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  Speaker 1: bulk up the supply by producing more puppies. Now, if
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  Speaker 1: this is a fidget spinner or something, I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: not a big deal, but if it's a living, breathing
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  Speaker 1: animal that has to be bred in a certain way,
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  Speaker 1: it certainly can be. The doodle craze, just like the
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  Speaker 1: Golden retriever craze in the seventies and eighties, or more recently,
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  Speaker 1: the French bulldog or Belgian malinoa craze, tends to create
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  Speaker 1: some questionable breeding. Now people hear about pups going for
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  Speaker 1: three or four grand a pop or more than they
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  Speaker 1: do the math on the average litter size, and pretty
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  Speaker 1: soon they are shopping for private islands and yats. But
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  Speaker 1: breeding just to produce more dogs of a certain breed
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  Speaker 1: often has disastrous effects on health and temperament. This is
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  Speaker 1: not much different than breeding for a certain color of
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  Speaker 1: dog or a specific look. When you place esthetics as
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  Speaker 1: more important than health or simply quantity of pups over quality,
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  Speaker 1: bad results are on their way. Unfortunately, those bad results
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  Speaker 1: often don't show until the checks are cashed and the
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  Speaker 1: dog has wormed its way into the family and a
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  Speaker 1: few years to have passed since the puppy purchase. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't get an amazing dog in
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  Speaker 1: a popular breed or that you couldn't end up with
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  Speaker 1: an incredible elaborator retriever. Even if your primary criteria when
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  Speaker 1: looking for one is that you want a brown dog
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  Speaker 1: or a red one. You certainly can. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 1: it's a buyer beware situation if you're going after a
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  Speaker 1: super popular breed without digging into the bloodline. Well, our
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  Speaker 1: neighbor didn't do that, and I don't blame her. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't know any better. And she also had a plan
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  Speaker 1: to train the dog, which sounded pretty good when she
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  Speaker 1: told me about it. She had the pupp enrolled in
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  Speaker 1: classes at a dog training center, she had bought plenty
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  Speaker 1: of puppy training supplies, and it all sounded pretty good
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  Speaker 1: on paper. Fast forward to a few weeks ago, when
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  Speaker 1: I was heading down the road to shovel my neighbor's
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  Speaker 1: driveway during the nine hundred and seventeenth blizzard of this winter.
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  Speaker 1: It was then fighting the stupid, dumbass snow that I
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  Speaker 1: hate with a fury of ten thousand sons that I
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  Speaker 1: realized I hadn't seen my neighbor with the pupp in
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  Speaker 1: quite a while. One quick text later, and I found
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  Speaker 1: out that she became too much to handle and they
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  Speaker 1: had to give that puppy away. This isn't an uncommon
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  Speaker 1: story in the dog world, but it is one that
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  Speaker 1: could often be avoided with better and more honest planning.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not really unlike hunt planning in a few ways. First,
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  Speaker 1: there is the big that has to be right, otherwise
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  Speaker 1: you're in trouble. This would be where you're planning to go,
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  Speaker 1: how to get a tag, and how you'll eat scout
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  Speaker 1: or boots on the ground scout your location. That's big stuff, right.
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  Speaker 1: Compare that to doing some due diligence on a dog
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  Speaker 1: breeder to really understand what kind of a dog you're
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  Speaker 1: potentially going to buy. Not breed, mind you, but what
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  Speaker 1: kind of a healthy dog should it be? How smart
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  Speaker 1: should it be, How athletic, how stubborn, how much prey
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  Speaker 1: drive these kind of things. With hunt planning, we devote
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time to the big stuff, the big questions,
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  Speaker 1: the sexy stuff, like how we should probably hold out
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  Speaker 1: for a one fifty plus since we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: hunt in southern Iowa and it's loaded with giants, or
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  Speaker 1: how much easier it is going to be to leave
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  Speaker 1: Georgia and drive up to Ohio to kill a Midwestern toad.
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  Speaker 1: We romanticize the trip and we shoot a lot. We
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  Speaker 1: book our vacation, we daydream, We immerse ourselves in the
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  Speaker 1: notion of what are hunt will go like, and we
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  Speaker 1: don't look back. People do this with dogs, especially with puppies.
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  Speaker 1: We think about how fun it will be to always
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  Speaker 1: kill a limited roosters, or always have a well behaved
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  Speaker 1: buddy in the house that will snuggle up to us
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  Speaker 1: every night. But this glosses over so much of the
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  Speaker 1: reality that we are often blindsided by it. Now, one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that people often get wrong with hunt
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  Speaker 1: planning is how difficult it is to go someplace new
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  Speaker 1: and kill a deer, let alone a good buck. It's
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  Speaker 1: just hard, really hard, even in places with high deer
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  Speaker 1: densities plenty of land rome. Now you might be thinking,
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  Speaker 1: how does acknowledging how hard and over the road hunt
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  Speaker 1: will be help me plan the hunt better? Well, you're
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  Speaker 1: a smart cookie to question that the thing is hunting
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  Speaker 1: deer is more academic than most of us want to admit.
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  Speaker 1: You rarely encounter really dumb people who are good at
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  Speaker 1: white to hunting. Simply recognizing reality and how difficult of
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  Speaker 1: a task be helps you get prepared mentally. This is
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  Speaker 1: something that might seem overblown in white tail circles, but
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  Speaker 1: is well understood amongst Western hunters. If you think packing
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  Speaker 1: a bowl elk out of the mountains isn't going to
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  Speaker 1: test you, you're probably way wrong. Hell if you think
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  Speaker 1: any average elk hunt isn't going to cause you to
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  Speaker 1: think about your life choices in a not so great
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  Speaker 1: way at one point or another, you're probably way wrong.
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  Speaker 1: If you know that going into it, Hell, I know
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  Speaker 1: for months ahead of it that you'll get your mental
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  Speaker 1: gear squared away. That's important. It's not so hard to
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  Speaker 1: climb a mountain when you've been planning and preparing for it,
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  Speaker 1: both physically and mentally for a long time. For the
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  Speaker 1: white tail hunter, there won't be too many mountains to climb,
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  Speaker 1: but there will often be stands to hang, bluffs to climb,
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  Speaker 1: rivers to cross, camp to set up and tear down,
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  Speaker 1: and lots of shitty weather to sit through. And to
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  Speaker 1: be fair, depending on where you hunt, there actually might
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  Speaker 1: be some mountains to climb. Now. I'm not saying you
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  Speaker 1: should focus solely on the negatives, because that's stupid, but
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  Speaker 1: you should be aware of how many of them you'll
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  Speaker 1: encounter and build in some contingencies for them. An easy
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  Speaker 1: one here is to focus on two regions or two
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  Speaker 1: spots and your pre hunt planning. Now you know you
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  Speaker 1: want to go to a specific piece of public land
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  Speaker 1: in Illinois, for example, that you read about on bow
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  Speaker 1: hunting forums, and those internet strangers told you that the
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  Speaker 1: big bucks are there. The habitat is so thick only
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  Speaker 1: the strongest and the toughest hunters even enter it, and
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  Speaker 1: any hunter worth his or her salt should easily be
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  Speaker 1: able to kill a pope and young buck there if
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  Speaker 1: they have enough time here in the rut. So you
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  Speaker 1: laser in, you figure out where you're going to camp.
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  Speaker 1: You have a few stands and a saddle ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: You drop a pile of weight points on ruddy looking
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  Speaker 1: hot spots and you figure, I don't know, it's just
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  Speaker 1: a matter of time on stand. Then you get there
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  Speaker 1: and you realize that about forty three other hunters must
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  Speaker 1: have read the same forum thread. You see that the
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  Speaker 1: habitat is just woods. It's not a jungle, it's not
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  Speaker 1: prohibitively thick. It's just some good old deciduous forest, the
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  Speaker 1: kind that I don't know. Just about any random hunter
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  Speaker 1: could walk through just fine. Thank you. Okay, that's a setback,
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  Speaker 1: but you're going to outwork the competition, so you start
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  Speaker 1: sneaking into spots you've marked. They look okay, but after
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  Speaker 1: a few days you realize that the deer are either
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  Speaker 1: not really there or they aren't really where you're hunting,
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  Speaker 1: and the pressure is intense. The rut is the opposite
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  Speaker 1: of intense, and the prospect of not only failing to
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  Speaker 1: fill your tag, but really having a whole lot of
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  Speaker 1: fun trying to do it is very real. What do
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  Speaker 1: you do If you don't have a backup plan, You
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  Speaker 1: probably keep slapping the ass of that dead horse and
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  Speaker 1: wondering why it just won't gallop anywhere else. If you
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  Speaker 1: have a well planned backup spot, you move plain and simple,
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  Speaker 1: pull up camp, hit the road, and go to your
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  Speaker 1: life raft spot. This might seem too simple, but the
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  Speaker 1: truth is getting married to one spot is no bueno.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I've driven to some
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  Speaker 1: state to hunt public land only to find that my
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  Speaker 1: original research was just lacking in some aspect, an aspect
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  Speaker 1: that made me either not enjoy the hunt or made
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  Speaker 1: me think I wasn't in the game at all, which
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  Speaker 1: not coincidentally, is really unenjoyable. Now, it's important to note
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  Speaker 1: that sometimes you can't go all that far away. If
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  Speaker 1: you drew a license for specific unit in a state,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to stay in that unit. But even
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  Speaker 1: then you need a backup. Even if you only relocate
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  Speaker 1: a half hour or an hour away, the world can
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  Speaker 1: all change for you. Now. If you can hunt a
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  Speaker 1: whole state or a good portion of some state, then
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  Speaker 1: having a couple of hours between your Plan A and
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  Speaker 1: Plan B is a real good idea. Driving one hundred
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  Speaker 1: or two hundred miles to a backup spot kind of sucks,
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  Speaker 1: but it puts you in a different mindset. And if
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  Speaker 1: you've planned for this reality, it's not that big of
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  Speaker 1: a deal considering how much you have at stake for
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  Speaker 1: an over the road hunt. Do yourself a favor and
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  Speaker 1: give yourself a real backup option that you have confidence
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  Speaker 1: in it. And I'm talking about planning this now. Then
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  Speaker 1: drill down some of the hunt details that you might
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  Speaker 1: be overlooking. A good example of this is food. Last
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  Speaker 1: year I did a few episodes where I talked about
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  Speaker 1: my food strategy. But I'll borrow something from the elk
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  Speaker 1: world to highlight this in a new way. If you
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  Speaker 1: go on your first elk hunt, you undoubtedly research food options,
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  Speaker 1: and if you don't, your bananas crazy. Since weight is
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  Speaker 1: everything to the elk hunter, carrying in light food that
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  Speaker 1: is full of calories is kind of a must. This
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  Speaker 1: leads us to freeze dried just add hot water kind
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  Speaker 1: of meals that are just what you take. They make
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  Speaker 1: the most sense. But it also leads us to read
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  Speaker 1: about elk hunting superstars and their strategies, which might be
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  Speaker 1: to eat I don't know, almond butter packets all day long,
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  Speaker 1: or take bagels and slather them with peanut butter and
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  Speaker 1: layer them with strips of bacon, and wallah, you have
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  Speaker 1: five thousand calories for each day. That don't wait too much.
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  Speaker 1: But then on day three your hunt, you realize your
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  Speaker 1: freeze dried meals are waging war on your intestinal track
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  Speaker 1: and you could ship through a screen door from ten
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  Speaker 1: feet away at pretty much any moment of your choosing
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  Speaker 1: and often not really a moment of your choosing. Or
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  Speaker 1: you realize you don't really like baggels with peanut butter
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  Speaker 1: and bacon for one meal. Let alone twenty one in
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  Speaker 1: a row. You have to find the stuff you want
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  Speaker 1: to eat, the stuff that won't make you feel like
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  Speaker 1: you just got bitten by a zombie in the Walking Dead.
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  Speaker 1: Plan your food for your trips appropriately so that you
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  Speaker 1: aren't all that miserable or driven to visit the closest
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  Speaker 1: burger king every day, which might not be that close
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  Speaker 1: at all. And what about the things you need to
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  Speaker 1: make food? Do you have a tote with a propane
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  Speaker 1: stove in it? How about some dishwasher soap and a
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  Speaker 1: scrub or cleaning up afterwards, spatch a can open or toothpicks,
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  Speaker 1: a cutting board. What do you need for your trip
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  Speaker 1: to have the right kind of meals? And how about
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  Speaker 1: your vehicle? I used to drive a truck that just
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a very big gas tank. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was twenty four gallons. I always carried five gallons of
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  Speaker 1: extra fuel just in case or I don't know. Have
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  Speaker 1: you ever had a flat tire on a road trip?
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  Speaker 1: It sucks. It happens quite often on hunts because the
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  Speaker 1: kind of roads you're driving in and pulling into campgrounds
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  Speaker 1: and whatever else. Do you have a can of fix
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  Speaker 1: a flat in there? I know This is probably a
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  Speaker 1: dumb question for a lot of people who listen to this,
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  Speaker 1: but do you know how to change a tire? Have
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  Speaker 1: you ever done it on a muddy road in a
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  Speaker 1: rainstorm at eleven at night in a state that is
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  Speaker 1: not your home state? What's the status of your spare?
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  Speaker 1: What do you bring along on your hunt that requires batteries?
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  Speaker 1: I try to use headlamps and lighting for my camp
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  Speaker 1: that utilize the same size of batteries because it's simpler.
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  Speaker 1: That usually gets me to like a bulk package of
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  Speaker 1: double ais and triple as that ride around in the
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  Speaker 1: center console in my truck all season long. This saves
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  Speaker 1: my ass more often than I care to admit, from
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  Speaker 1: just general ease of camping to blood trailing issues. Do
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  Speaker 1: you have a way to organize all the little stuff
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  Speaker 1: that makes up a hunt? Release aids, tow ropes, gloves, hats,
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  Speaker 1: whatever else would easily be available and easy to find
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  Speaker 1: at home, but you kind of need to plan for
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  Speaker 1: it when you travel. What about drying out your gear
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  Speaker 1: if you get stuck in the rain if you are
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  Speaker 1: in a motel, how will you do that? What about
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  Speaker 1: in a tent? What does your boot situation look like?
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  Speaker 1: Do you just need a pa or a knee high
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  Speaker 1: rubber boots, or you're gonna go hike for miles a
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  Speaker 1: scout and might need a pair of good leathers. How
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  Speaker 1: about first aid bandages, moleskin for blisters, a little superglue
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  Speaker 1: to take care of the cuts from mishandling a broadhead
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  Speaker 1: while you drank your seventh jack and coke of the night.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have some aspirin carabineers for your safety harness.
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  Speaker 1: A good way to start getting ahead of this stuff
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  Speaker 1: is to make a really comprehensive list of everything you
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  Speaker 1: use to hunt at home. Then invest in a couple
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  Speaker 1: of totes. Then make a list of the camping essentials
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  Speaker 1: you need or the stuff you need to get by
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  Speaker 1: for a week in a roach motel pack efficiently and
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  Speaker 1: check that list off as you go. Is there something
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  Speaker 1: new you want to buy for the trip, like say
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  Speaker 1: a tent. If so, buy that some bitch and then
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  Speaker 1: set it up in your yard. Know what you're getting
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  Speaker 1: into with it or I don't know, you're sleeping bag
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  Speaker 1: or you're cot or whatever. Long before you stash it
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  Speaker 1: in the back of your truck and head out for
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  Speaker 1: your ruttion. I know this sounds like a pain in
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  Speaker 1: the ass, and you could probably just wing it and
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  Speaker 1: be fine. You can. I've killed deer on all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of hunts, and believe me, I wasn't super prepared for
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  Speaker 1: all of them. When the girls were little in my
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  Speaker 1: time was as limited as my sleep. I forgot all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. When I headed on trips, I stayed intense,
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  Speaker 1: I hated. I've dealt with a pile of flat tires
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  Speaker 1: in remote places, and I've grinded out some victories when
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't likely. But I've also taken a couple of
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  Speaker 1: els along the way too. I suffered a lot due
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  Speaker 1: to my own stupidity and lack of preparation. There's nothing
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  Speaker 1: worse than meeting the consequences of your own actions or
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  Speaker 1: in actions at any time in life. But it really
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  Speaker 1: stings when it's on that trip you've been daydreaming about
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  Speaker 1: for months, and then you realize it could go much better,
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  Speaker 1: that it could be much more enjoyable, and you could
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  Speaker 1: have a better chance of running an arrow through a
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  Speaker 1: really good deer if you had just covered a few
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  Speaker 1: more of your bases in the pre trip planning stage,
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  Speaker 1: a stage that goes all the way back in time
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  Speaker 1: to right now, when it's far more likely you're thinking
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  Speaker 1: about turkey hunting or maybe crappie fishing than deer hunting.
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  Speaker 1: But just like the eight week old adorable puppy that
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  Speaker 1: mostly sleeps before it eventually turns into a disobedient, toothy
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  Speaker 1: nightmare at nine months old and over the road, whitetail
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  Speaker 1: trips seems so simple and so full of promise in
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  Speaker 1: the spring, but it can be a vastly different thing
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  Speaker 1: come late in November when it hasn't stopped raining for
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  Speaker 1: three days and the rut fields non existent, and eating
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  Speaker 1: soggy turkey sandwiches with no mail because you forgot it
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  Speaker 1: at home sucks. Don't let that happen. Start your planning
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  Speaker 1: now and really get into the details of what you'll
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  Speaker 1: need to be happy and successful, and tune in next
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  Speaker 1: week when I plan to talk about where bucks live
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  Speaker 1: and travel and how you can find those spots. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: that's it for this week, my friends. I'm Tony Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: This has been the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast, which
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  Speaker 1: has brought you by first Light. As I always thank
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