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10 - Yes, 10! - Dumb Criminals · Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast I'm Josh, and there's
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Speaker 1: you to what will certainly be the greatest episode of
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Speaker 2: Oh boy, this one, I love it. Let's do it.
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Speaker 2: This one harkens back to the old days when I
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Speaker 2: feel like we weren't very good at this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it really does. Yeah. Yeah, I had
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Speaker 1: nothing to add because it does. Dude, I can't make
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Speaker 1: heads or tails of this. I'm like, what what bothers
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Speaker 1: me about this, this episode, this topic. I even selected it,
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Speaker 1: and it still bothers me. And so I started doing
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Speaker 1: like a search to try to be like, Okay, maybe
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Speaker 1: there is something like inherently wrong with lists of dumb criminals.
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Speaker 1: And I looked up, I searched every way I could
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Speaker 1: to try to find even just the dumbest think piece
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Speaker 1: on what's wrong with dumb criminal lists. No one and
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Speaker 1: the history of the Internet has apparently ever even had
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Speaker 1: that thought. So I finally just decided to mellow out
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Speaker 1: and go with the flow and just share some dumb
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Speaker 1: criminal stories for face value.
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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, I'm fine with that. I think we both
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Speaker 2: had a tough week. So let's Uh, let's just make
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Speaker 2: fun of ourselves.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and some criminals.
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Speaker 2: Hey you hey, dummy, that's right, all right, So this
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Speaker 2: is a top ten. It's on the other side we
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Speaker 2: usually do like eight. You actually have eleven.
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Speaker 1: I know, well one of them is zero. I started
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Speaker 1: counting as a mayan.
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Speaker 2: Would I know. I was like, what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to go back and renumber everything else.
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Speaker 1: That's fine, so I just added zero. I thought it
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Speaker 1: was rather clever.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's just breeze through these in eh oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: there's not a seven though. This is like the blotder
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Speaker 2: episode of stuff you should know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So first up on our police blotter, we've got
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Speaker 1: the story of Maganga. Maganga out of Omaha, Nebraska. Mcganga
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Speaker 1: was a seventeen year old boy who back in twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 1: attempted a carjacking, which seemed to be a step up
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Speaker 1: from his usualm which was to rob stores with a knife.
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Speaker 1: This time he carjacked a woman in a car with
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Speaker 1: a gun, and.
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Speaker 2: He thought making her kid to school, right, yes, reprehensible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like seven am. I saw something like that.
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Speaker 1: It's a seven am carjacking. Either, you got up way
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Speaker 1: too early, or you never went to bed. Seven am
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Speaker 1: is too early for a carjacking, frankly, but he did,
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Speaker 1: and he was it started out kind of successfully for him.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because mom did what mom should do, which
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Speaker 2: is get out of that car, I assume grabbed her son,
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Speaker 2: and dude jumps in and realizes it's a stick shift,
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Speaker 2: a manual transmission could not drive a stick shift. And
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Speaker 2: for evidently about seven minutes, this nitwit, we can say
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Speaker 2: stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: Right, I think so. I think this kid definitely proved
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Speaker 1: himself a nitwit, a nitweit who had a lot of
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Speaker 1: stick touitiveness. How about that?
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Speaker 2: Okay, a nitwit with a spunk. Yeah, about seven minutes
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Speaker 2: of trying to get this car to move just moved
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Speaker 2: a few yards, which I imagine was just lurching forward
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Speaker 2: while he's popping that clutch. Yeah, finally gives up after
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Speaker 2: just a few minutes of that and then leaves on
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Speaker 2: foot and is nabbed by the cops.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they said. Some witnesses said that like he turned
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Speaker 1: the lights on, he turned the windshield wipers on, just
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to make this thing work, right,
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Speaker 1: And I saw a video of it and he somehow
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Speaker 1: the car ended up on the sidewalk perpendicular to the street.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, I have no idea how he got up there.
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Speaker 2: Progress.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he he had just gotten out of jail
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Speaker 1: like two weeks earlier from his robbery spree. Before that
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Speaker 1: he'd been caught for. I could not find out what
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Speaker 1: happened to this kid, like I just saw he was
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Speaker 1: charged no sentencing. Usually in stories like this, there's more
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Speaker 1: often than not a follow up story, like two years
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Speaker 1: later about what happened to them when they're finally sentenced
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Speaker 1: or something like that. Couldn't find anything about this kid,
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Speaker 1: but I did find out his name means in Swahili,
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Speaker 1: it means essentially healer or like doctor, like bush doctor,
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Speaker 1: essentially as a maganga okay, and as a last name,
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Speaker 1: it's the sixteen thousand, three hundred and first most common
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Speaker 1: last name in the world. Well, really, that's what I got. Really,
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Speaker 1: that's this kind of episode.
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's move on to number nine. Okay, with
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Speaker 2: mister Derreck Moseley. This is a Sean Connery kind of
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Speaker 2: crime because that great line from The Untouchables, you brought
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Speaker 2: a knife to a gunfight. Dereck Moseley brought a baseball
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Speaker 2: bat and a knife to the robbery of a gun store, right,
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Speaker 2: and this was discount gun sales in Washington County, Oregon,
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Speaker 2: near Portland. He is, I guess smart enough to go
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Speaker 2: in and at least smash a display case and get
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Speaker 2: a gun. But because it's a gun store, I would
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Speaker 2: say ninety nine out of one hundred gun shops, the
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Speaker 2: owner has a gun on their person with actual bullets
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Speaker 2: in it.
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Speaker 1: Right. That seems to be his failing that he assumed
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Speaker 1: that the guns were going to be loaded. He didn't
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Speaker 1: account for the people having their own personal loaded guns
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Speaker 1: on them.
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Speaker 2: One was loaded, But that seems.
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Speaker 1: To have been Like the whole reason he attacked the
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Speaker 1: gun store was to get a gun. Yeah, like that
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Speaker 1: was the purpose. But yeah, it didn't go very well.
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Speaker 1: The manager pulled his gun and said get on the ground,
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Speaker 1: and he got on the ground until the police came,
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Speaker 1: and that was that. He got five years probation for
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Speaker 1: it and had to pay three hundred and fifty dollars
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Speaker 1: to fix the display case.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, we're really cruising through these, aren't we.
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Speaker 2: We're cruising through Hey, we get off early today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Okay, Chuck, Well it's two number eight.
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Speaker 1: I guess number eight A and B because it's this
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Speaker 1: is two guys and I sent you the photo. You
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Speaker 1: saw the photo, right.
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Speaker 2: I did. That was very kind of you. Don't glue
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Speaker 2: that because it really paints a picture.
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Speaker 1: I would like very much for everybody to look up
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Speaker 1: the photo of Joey Miller and Matthew McNelly and while
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Speaker 1: we talk about them, how about that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe we could throw this on the Instagram
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Speaker 2: page too. This was from a crime in October two
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Speaker 2: thousand and nine, or I guess a sort of a
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Speaker 2: near crime. And these guys put on their hoodies. They
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Speaker 2: went to break into a guy's house in Carol, Iowa
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Speaker 2: because one of the guys suspected that his girlfriend was
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Speaker 2: cheating on him, basically with a guy who lived there.
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Speaker 2: But their disguise was their hoodie sweatshirts and then what
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Speaker 2: can only be described as toddler esque scribbling of sharpie
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Speaker 2: on their face.
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Speaker 1: You totally nailed it. It is like a Toddler did it.
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Speaker 1: Like the lines aren't filled in, like it's just terrible.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't disguise them at all. And ironically it's sharpie
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Speaker 2: or some kind of permanent marker. I don't want to,
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Speaker 2: you know, necessarily say that they were using the name brand,
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Speaker 2: but what it ended up doing was like it made
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Speaker 2: them obviously prime suspects for the cop who pulled them over.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because permanent marker is pretty permanent. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure they're still not walking around. This is two thousand
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Speaker 1: and nine. I'm sure it's washed off by now, but
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Speaker 1: certainly that same night it hadn't washed off. And so
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Speaker 1: when they were pulled over in their car, which matched
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Speaker 1: the description a witness gave them, they matched the description
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Speaker 1: of the assailants who had permanent marker all.
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Speaker 2: Over their face to scribbles.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw the cops described. I'm just stunned when
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Speaker 1: they pulled the car over.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting when you read about these things
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Speaker 2: and these decisions people make. An interesting you know, I'm
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Speaker 2: filling that word in for a lot of terrible things
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Speaker 2: I could say. But it's almost like they were like, hey,
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Speaker 2: let's think of a way that we'll be sure to
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Speaker 2: get caught right when they thought it was a disguise.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I saw a reference in more than one
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Speaker 1: place that they may have been drunk when they did
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Speaker 1: this better, and at the very least a judge who
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Speaker 1: saw them, I think like less than a week later
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Speaker 1: was like, I'm just dismissing these charges because there's no
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Speaker 1: evidence they actually made it into that man's apartment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't break in, they.
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Speaker 1: Didn't have a weapon on them, and nobody got hurt.
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Speaker 1: So they're like, these guys their mugshot staying on the
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Speaker 1: internet forever is probably punishment enough.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's no charge for nit Wittery.
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Speaker 1: No, no, So that's Joey Miller and Matthew mcnellian. While
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Speaker 1: you're looking at that that photo of them, We're gonna
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Speaker 1: go ahead and take an ad break.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll be right back with more than Wittery.
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Speaker 1: Stuffing the Jaws show.
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Speaker 2: Stuff.
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Speaker 1: So check. I want to add this one in because
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Speaker 1: I think it's a good example of like you should
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Speaker 1: be skeptical even when you're sitting back and enjoying reading
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Speaker 1: lists of dumb criminals, right, Okay, Klaus Schmidt is when
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Speaker 1: you might come across fairly frequently. He was on a
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Speaker 1: lot of lists that I saw. Uh and Klaus Schmidt
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Speaker 1: may not have existed as far as I can tell. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I did some research. I won't say it's the deepest
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Speaker 1: research has ever been done to try to find somebody.
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Speaker 1: But I did look extensively when on a newspapers dot
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Speaker 1: com did a few searches. Nothing thing came up about
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Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, I traveled to Berlin and interviewed some
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Speaker 1: potential family members. No one had ever heard of him,
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Speaker 1: but his story is all over the internet because it's
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Speaker 1: just such a whopper of a story, and it's I
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Speaker 1: just I wanted to include it, but I also think
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Speaker 1: it definitely deserves to be pointed out as probably not true, apocryphal,
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Speaker 1: as they say in the Bible.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now that you've mentioned this, it very much smacks
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Speaker 2: of a of an urban legend.
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Speaker 1: It does. It does because he's described as a man
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Speaker 1: in Berlin who went to rob a bank in August
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Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety five.
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Speaker 2: That's right, Well, I want you to tell the story, though,
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Speaker 2: why me? Because you picked this stupid topic.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So Klaus Schmidt is said to have gone into
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Speaker 1: a bank pretending like he exists in August of the
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five to rob it with a handgun, and
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Speaker 1: he everything's going rather smoothly, like a bank robbery would
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Speaker 1: be if it's it's successful. And apparently one of the
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Speaker 1: tellers asked him like, do you need a bag? And
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Speaker 1: Klaus Schmidt supposedly said, you're damn right, it's a real gun.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you would say that in German?
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Speaker 2: Do you uh now?
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Speaker 1: And the tellers apparently were like, oh, obviously this man
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Speaker 1: is deaf, not that he misheard, not that he's super high,
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Speaker 1: strong and anxious. Right now, because he's robbing a bank,
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Speaker 1: he's clearly deaf. So we're gonna go ahead impress the
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Speaker 1: alarm that everybody else can hear except him.
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Speaker 2: Right. I think we should write a new version where
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Speaker 2: they're like, do you need a bag? And he says
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Speaker 2: why does this got to do with Schnitzel.
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Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, he's clearly deaf, right, but.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the alarm he wouldn't have heard is I
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Speaker 2: guess if this story is true. So they're like, hey,
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Speaker 2: this guy can't hear anything, let's just sound this loud alarm.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's what banks have, or loud alarms that
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Speaker 1: would totally alert any other bank robber. You just have
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Speaker 1: to hope that once in a while somebody who can't
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Speaker 1: hear comes in and robs the bank, and that's exactly
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Speaker 1: what allegedly happened with Klaus Schmidt. But it gets even better, Chuck,
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Speaker 1: because here's a twist that effectively proves that this is
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Speaker 1: an urban legend.
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Speaker 2: That's right. Apparently, according to internet lore, Klaus Schmidt sued
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Speaker 2: the bank for abusing his disability.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they there's no way this is real. Essentially
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Speaker 1: tricked him by pressing an alarm that he couldn't hear,
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Speaker 1: which led to him being caught by the police. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad we see owait it, But it was kind
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Speaker 1: of fun to pick apart. It's so it's great because
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Speaker 1: you go on the internet and you read stuff like this,
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Speaker 1: and if you're not like looking out for it, you
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Speaker 1: could just be like, wow, I got to tell you
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Speaker 1: this story of this Klaus Schmidt. It's amazing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They used to call it, Hey, Martha's Stories, I think
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Speaker 1: in the you know, the Inquire of the World Weekly News.
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Speaker 1: Oh really, yep, because you wanted the whoever was reading
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Speaker 1: the paper, like the husband, to be like, hey, Martha,
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Speaker 1: get a load of this one like that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. We'll go on to number five here
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Speaker 2: with James Blankenship in Willoughby, Ohio. This in June twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 2: James was trying to rob his own mother's house during
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Speaker 2: the day and this very key it was in broad daylight. Apparently,
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Speaker 2: got a little rattled and went and hid in a
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Speaker 2: cross space nearby. The police got there, they caught him,
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Speaker 2: and he his big sort of problem with getting arrested
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Speaker 2: was you can't get arrested for burglary during the day.
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Speaker 1: That's what he thought.
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Speaker 2: Burglary is a nighttime crime. You cannot take me away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Essentially, when the cops grabbed him and they were
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Speaker 1: they're like, what do you mean you can't with burglary?
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Speaker 1: It's daytime, and everybody's like, that guy's the dumbest criminal
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Speaker 1: of all time. He thought that you couldn't get arrested
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Speaker 1: for burglary because it was daylight out. And here's the
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Speaker 1: great twist to this, which I found.
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Speaker 2: This is a good twist.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, the old common law definition of burglary says that
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Speaker 1: it only occurs during the night time. It's breaking and
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Speaker 1: entering in someone else's dwelling at night with an intent
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Speaker 1: to commit a felony therein, and that if you commit
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Speaker 1: the same act during the daytime, it's a lesser crime
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Speaker 1: of presspass So it seems that James Blankenship, had he
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Speaker 1: been living in the eighteenth century, would have had quite
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Speaker 1: a case for himself.
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Speaker 2: I have a question for you, what I meant to
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Speaker 2: look this up, But is burglary specifically when there's somebody
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Speaker 2: there or does that matter?
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Speaker 1: Uh? Oh, I think it definitely matters. I think if
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Speaker 1: somebody's there, it's considered home invasion. It's like a whole
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Speaker 1: other level like you can in some states, you can
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Speaker 1: get life in prison or death penalty for a home invasion,
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Speaker 1: depending on what happens and what your intent was.
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Speaker 2: The burglary means you have to take something otherwise it
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Speaker 2: could just be b and e, right, because I was
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Speaker 2: just wondering because the nighttime thing, I mean, obviously I
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Speaker 2: knew that wasn't a thing, but whenever I was a
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Speaker 2: kid and I heard cat burglar, you always thought it
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Speaker 2: was something that happened at night while you slept.
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Speaker 1: Right, Absolutely, yeah, But of course a burglary can happen
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Speaker 1: during the day. But it's just the legal system in
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Speaker 1: the United States said we're going to get rid of
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Speaker 1: that distinction between trespassing burglary and it's all burglary no
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Speaker 1: matter when it happens. Just the mind blowing part is
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Speaker 1: that somewhere along the line James Blankenship that old common
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Speaker 1: law definition was passed along to him and he went
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Speaker 1: with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, actually, here we go. I looked it up.
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Speaker 2: Burglary the official definition is entering entry into a building
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Speaker 2: illegally with the intent to commit a crime, especially theft,
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Speaker 2: but not necessarily.
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Speaker 1: Theft, gotcha, So especially theft. I wonder what else it
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Speaker 1: could be too.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's all kinds of crimes. You'd set
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Speaker 2: someone's bathroom on fire and not metaphorically.
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Speaker 1: So I guess you would be charged with you'd be
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Speaker 1: charged with arson and burglary.
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Speaker 2: Then in that case, I guess, I don't know, maybe
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Speaker 2: burglar's on of those crimes they can just kind of
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Speaker 2: tack on just because you're in someone's house.
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Speaker 1: Man, we would make super lawyers, wouldn't we think, So
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Speaker 1: we just hash it out in open court.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The thing I also love most about James Blankenship's story
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Speaker 1: is that his mother's house was the one he was
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Speaker 1: trying to break into. Like you said, I just love that,
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Speaker 1: and apparently she found him and he might Eke and
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Speaker 1: like ran off.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm just picturing us as attorneys co attorneys in
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Speaker 2: court looking up definitions on our phone. Yeah, and the
17:47
Speaker 2: judge just being like, do you guys have licenses to
17:49
Speaker 2: practice law? I know, no, sir, we don't. But we
17:51
Speaker 2: did a podcast for sixteen years where we dabbled in
17:54
Speaker 2: legally yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then I'd pipe up and be like, and we
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Speaker 1: stated a holiday and express.
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Speaker 2: This time, I was like, this sounds like something. That's
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Speaker 2: exactly what I was thinking.
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Speaker 1: I think I would look a lot like Gil from
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Speaker 1: The Simpsons in court as a lawyer. It was Gil,
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Speaker 1: the guy, like the hard luck guy from Jack Lemon,
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Speaker 1: from Glengarry Glenn Ross.
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Speaker 2: Oh, but was that he was on the Simpsons.
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Speaker 1: He was a recurring character.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was Gilnders. Okay, yeah, yah, I see him now,
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Speaker 2: kil I remember Gil?
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Speaker 1: Now something like look's gotta come for old Gil. Right,
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Speaker 1: that would be me in court as your lawyer.
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Speaker 2: All right, Esquire, should we take a break or keep going?
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Speaker 2: Let's keep going.
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Speaker 1: Let's do one more and then we'll take another break.
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Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about the story of Darren Kempton.
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Speaker 2: This fellow was in England in twenty thirteen and Abington,
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Speaker 2: England specifically. And this is a pretty interesting one because
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Speaker 2: not only had Darren Kempton already broken into a house
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Speaker 2: earlier that day, so this was Darren's second attempt at
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Speaker 2: a break in that same day, but the house that
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Speaker 2: Darren chose to broke into the second time, it was
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Speaker 2: that house's second break in of the day. Yeah, because
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Speaker 2: when Darren showed up to break in found there was
19:17
Speaker 2: already a window busted out. It was like this is perfect,
19:20
Speaker 2: and went inside. There were police there inside, still dealing
19:25
Speaker 2: with the details of the previous break in case earlier
19:27
Speaker 2: that day.
19:28
Speaker 1: So that's Gil. Darren Kempton is Gil. He is. He
19:33
Speaker 1: apparently said in court that he was trying to steal
19:36
Speaker 1: so that he could buy presents for his elderly parents
19:40
Speaker 1: Christmas presents. He was apparently also addicted to heroin, and
19:45
Speaker 1: his lawyer described him as clumsy and pathetic.
19:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so obviously, if this guy's got a serious
19:52
Speaker 2: drug addiction, maybe he was buying stuff for his parents.
19:55
Speaker 2: Maybe not. I have a little bit more empathy here
19:58
Speaker 2: and don't want to make too fun of the but
20:00
Speaker 2: he did leave a trail of blood from his first
20:03
Speaker 2: break in leading to the second, so that then connected
20:06
Speaker 2: him to that first crime as well.
20:08
Speaker 1: Right, So there was just no way that Darren Kimpton
20:11
Speaker 1: was ever going to get away with these crimes either
20:14
Speaker 1: one of them. He'd had a bad day.
20:16
Speaker 2: Basically he broke into a house full of cops.
20:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, you don't do that very often. I've seen
20:21
Speaker 1: other stories too, I didn't research them, so I'm not
20:25
Speaker 1: sure how true they are of people like holding up.
20:28
Speaker 1: There was one where somebody tried to rob a Walmart
20:31
Speaker 1: during the shop with a cop day for like the
20:33
Speaker 1: local orphanage or something like that. Yeah, and the place
20:36
Speaker 1: was just full of cops. There's plenty of times where
20:39
Speaker 1: it's just been like bad timing or yeah, you just
20:43
Speaker 1: broke into the wrong place at the wrong time or
20:44
Speaker 1: tried to rob the wrong place at the wrong time.
20:46
Speaker 1: So it's not like Darren Kimpton's alone.
20:48
Speaker 2: Hunter s. Thompson remember when he with a head full
20:51
Speaker 2: of drugs stumbled into the police convention.
20:54
Speaker 1: That's right, and then he stole the briefcase with the
20:56
Speaker 1: drug samples in him.
20:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to go back and read some of
21:01
Speaker 2: his I read, you know, Fear and Loathing of course,
21:04
Speaker 2: and which other one did I read Rum Diaries or
21:10
Speaker 2: maybe it was Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail,
21:12
Speaker 2: But there were a couple of more that I always
21:14
Speaker 2: meant to get back to. But I kind of went
21:16
Speaker 2: through my Hunter as Thompson pays and and quit reading him.
21:19
Speaker 2: But he's such a great writer. I mean, I know
21:20
Speaker 2: everyone always just sort of if you weren't a reader,
21:23
Speaker 2: actual reader of his, you might think that he was
21:26
Speaker 2: just that crazy guy that did drugs and you know,
21:28
Speaker 2: made a name doing that. But he was a fantastic writer.
21:32
Speaker 1: Just absolutely like one of the better journalists who overwalk
21:34
Speaker 1: the earth.
21:35
Speaker 2: For just amazing stuff.
21:37
Speaker 1: I think that going back to him might be folly though.
21:39
Speaker 1: I think maybe I think he's like Bukowski, Like there
21:42
Speaker 1: is a specific set of years, yeah, clean, like your
21:45
Speaker 1: early twenties.
21:46
Speaker 2: You're listening to the doors here.
21:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, where you're reading Hunter Thompson and reading Bukowski and yeah, yeah,
21:52
Speaker 1: all sorts of other things, and that as you age
21:55
Speaker 1: it that you might find that you don't appreciate him
21:57
Speaker 1: quite as much as you used to.
21:59
Speaker 2: I have an admission here, since we're just having fun
22:01
Speaker 2: with this episode. In my twenties, I actually bought a
22:06
Speaker 2: one of Jim Morrison's poetry books.
22:09
Speaker 1: Oh, I used to listen to American Prayer like ceaselessly.
22:12
Speaker 1: That was really good. Yeah, did you like American Prayer?
22:16
Speaker 2: It's fine. I mean I kind of. I can like
22:19
Speaker 2: there's some real bangers that the Doors did, and I
22:21
Speaker 2: can go back and listen to that now and appreciate
22:23
Speaker 2: some of those songs. But it definitely, for some reason,
22:25
Speaker 2: just feels like a time and place in your life
22:28
Speaker 2: when you thought he was like the most amazing deep
22:32
Speaker 2: soul on the planet Earth. Right now I'm a little older,
22:35
Speaker 2: I'm like Jim Morrison, come on.
22:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. For some reason, that same period with
22:41
Speaker 1: Bukowski and Hunter Thompson and Jim Morrison is also like,
22:45
Speaker 1: upon reflection, very cringey. It seems like a lot of
22:48
Speaker 1: times too.
22:49
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm cringing right now whatever that means these days?
22:52
Speaker 1: What cringey?
22:53
Speaker 2: Did you say? Like me right now?
22:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm cringing right now just thinking about it, all right,
22:58
Speaker 1: But American Prayer was good. I'll stand by that.
23:02
Speaker 2: Was that? The the song? The book? What was that?
23:05
Speaker 1: It was? It was essentially like a sonic book of
23:09
Speaker 1: his poetry. At the doors I think put together after
23:12
Speaker 1: his death the years and years later, and it was
23:15
Speaker 1: like they played snippets of some of their other songs.
23:19
Speaker 1: It was like stuff mixed in. Yeah, and the whole thing,
23:23
Speaker 1: from like start to finish is essentially one long thing.
23:26
Speaker 1: There's obviously like discrete like read poems that Jim Morrison's reading,
23:31
Speaker 1: but the whole thing, like as a single package, was
23:35
Speaker 1: really well done if I remember correctly. I don't want
23:38
Speaker 1: to go back and listen to it because I just
23:40
Speaker 1: want to I just want to keep it as is
23:42
Speaker 1: in my memory.
23:43
Speaker 2: No, totally. I mean, why ruin that for yourself exactly?
23:47
Speaker 1: That's why I urge you not to go back and
23:49
Speaker 1: read Hunter Thompson.
23:50
Speaker 2: Ok, okay he's dead to me, Well he really did. Yah.
23:56
Speaker 2: You want to take a break now, Yeah, let's take
23:59
Speaker 2: a break and we'll do are or should we? Now
24:01
Speaker 2: let's take a break. We'll do our top three because
24:03
Speaker 2: they're a little more robust stoffy jaws sh shop.
24:26
Speaker 1: Soff your shore.
24:31
Speaker 2: All right? Next up on the list at number three,
24:32
Speaker 2: we have one rubin. I'm gonna say, zaraate.
24:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I took it.
24:38
Speaker 2: Serati, Yeah, this is in two thousand and eight. He
24:41
Speaker 2: was eighteen years old at the time, and he tried
24:44
Speaker 2: to ribe to ribe to rob a muffler shop.
24:48
Speaker 1: It's like bribing and robbing at the same time.
24:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, a muffler shop in Chicago. But here's the hook
24:55
Speaker 2: is that when he got there, the person working and
24:59
Speaker 2: this was the manager, jose Ceda sid A. He said,
25:04
Speaker 2: the cash is here, but the cash is actually in
25:06
Speaker 2: a safe and only the opener knows the safe code combination.
25:11
Speaker 2: And he's not going to be here for a few hours.
25:15
Speaker 2: And hey, let's stick it to this guy. You come back.
25:19
Speaker 2: I'll let you know when he's here if you give
25:21
Speaker 2: me your number and you give me a cut of
25:23
Speaker 2: this thing. Brilliant plan to think of on the fly.
25:27
Speaker 1: It really is. So Zarati is like, oh, okay, well cool,
25:30
Speaker 1: I'm in cahoots with this guy. Here's my number. Call
25:33
Speaker 1: me when the owner comes in, and then I'll come
25:35
Speaker 1: back and rob the muffler shop.
25:37
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
25:38
Speaker 1: I'll give you a taste of the money that I
25:40
Speaker 1: take from here, right uh huh. So he did, he laughed,
25:43
Speaker 1: and then jose Ceda called the cops and tell them
25:47
Speaker 1: what was going on. He waited twenty five minutes for
25:51
Speaker 1: some reason. But he did call the cops, and the
25:54
Speaker 1: story starts taking some dark turns around now because the
25:57
Speaker 1: cops are like, this is great. We're going to use
25:59
Speaker 1: you as eight. It's decoy and you call the guy,
26:02
Speaker 1: but let us get there first and hide in the
26:04
Speaker 1: back and like the garage, the workshop of the garage.
26:06
Speaker 2: He said, it'll be so great, you're gonna love it.
26:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna he's gonna be so surprised.
26:10
Speaker 2: So he got it like an engine block I can
26:12
Speaker 2: hide behind. Oh yeah, okay, perfect.
26:14
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna pretend like I'm changing oil. I've
26:16
Speaker 1: always wanted to do that.
26:18
Speaker 2: Do you have a jumpsuit for me?
26:20
Speaker 1: So, so Ruben Zarati or Jose sid It calls Rubens variety.
26:24
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, the owner's here, come on back and
26:26
Speaker 1: rob the muffler store that I'm the manager of. And
26:29
Speaker 1: so Rubens Zeroty comes back to rob the store. And apparently,
26:34
Speaker 1: he said because he sued the City of Chicago after this.
26:37
Speaker 1: He said that he got through the door and opened
26:39
Speaker 1: it and before anything, before anyone said anything, the cops
26:43
Speaker 1: just started shooting at him. So he turned and ran.
26:46
Speaker 1: They shot him in the back. It inflicted a life's
26:49
Speaker 1: life threatening injury that apparently only surgery would have would
26:52
Speaker 1: have saved his life with He did have the life
26:55
Speaker 1: saving surgery and then lived to sue the city. I
26:57
Speaker 1: could not find out what happened, but his story was
27:03
Speaker 1: actually backed up by one of the people who worked
27:06
Speaker 1: at the shop too.
27:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically they sort of god always they agreed and
27:12
Speaker 2: said that I was like my porky pig moment that
27:17
Speaker 2: the cops didn't even announce themselves that they were cops
27:20
Speaker 2: before they started shooting, right.
27:23
Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is a world class Ruben Zerati story.
27:28
Speaker 1: Everybody that you just heard like this was real research.
27:31
Speaker 1: If you read the Ruben Zarati story, all you hear
27:34
Speaker 1: is about a criminal who was dumb enough to leave
27:37
Speaker 1: his number, yeah, so he could be called to come
27:40
Speaker 1: back and rob the place. And now it makes a
27:42
Speaker 1: little more sense and you find out that rubens Arrity
27:45
Speaker 1: was shot in the back by the cops.
27:46
Speaker 2: It also featured, for my money, one of your best
27:49
Speaker 2: jokes in a long long time that was very under
27:51
Speaker 2: the radar, which one the one he said the guy
27:54
Speaker 2: the cops said, I would have pretend like I'm changing
27:56
Speaker 2: oil wanted to do that.
27:59
Speaker 1: I'm glad you liked.
28:00
Speaker 2: Oh that was good.
28:02
Speaker 1: Oh man, Okay, so that was number three and we're
28:05
Speaker 1: going to one zero. So this is the top four.
28:12
Speaker 2: I forgot that was a zero.
28:14
Speaker 1: All right, I'm you really you're mad about the zero,
28:17
Speaker 1: aren't you.
28:17
Speaker 2: Well, let's just just really threw me.
28:20
Speaker 1: Hey man, we've gotten twenty eight minutes out of this
28:22
Speaker 1: so far. I'm amazed.
28:23
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Albert Bailey. This was in
28:26
Speaker 2: twenty ten. Bailey and this was had an accomplice, but
28:31
Speaker 2: it was a juvenile, so we don't know the name
28:32
Speaker 2: of the accomplice. Said all right, let's rob this bank.
28:35
Speaker 2: It's Fairfield, Connecticut. It's a good place to rob a bank.
28:38
Speaker 2: And to make this happen quicker, what Bailey did was
28:43
Speaker 2: call the bank ahead of time and said, I'm coming
28:46
Speaker 2: to rob this thing, so get all that money together
28:50
Speaker 2: so it doesn't take us very long while we're in there.
28:54
Speaker 1: Like this is one of the stories. This is legit
28:57
Speaker 1: like it legitimately happened, just like this CT Insider, which
29:02
Speaker 1: I'm guessing is short for Connecticut Insider.
29:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
29:05
Speaker 1: They did a story on it after I think shortly
29:09
Speaker 1: after it, and that's exactly what happened. Like, Albert Bailey
29:15
Speaker 1: called the bank and said, get the bunny together. He
29:18
Speaker 1: said some other things too that made the bank really worry.
29:21
Speaker 1: He's like, we're not afraid to take hostages and turn
29:24
Speaker 1: the place into a blood bath. So the bank's like, okay, well,
29:27
Speaker 1: we're just going to hang up now and call the cops.
29:29
Speaker 2: Well also said this is key, don't call the cops
29:32
Speaker 2: because we're going to be monitoring the police scanner.
29:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, typically banks don't listen to you when you call
29:38
Speaker 1: them ahead of time, but also tell them not to
29:41
Speaker 1: call the cops. So they did. They called the cops immediately,
29:44
Speaker 1: and as they were calling the cops, they went to
29:46
Speaker 1: go lock the doors, which is another thing that you
29:48
Speaker 1: would do as a bank. But Albert Bailey was one
29:51
Speaker 1: step ahead of them because his unnamed juvenile accomplice, who
29:55
Speaker 1: turned out to be his sixteen year old cousin, was
29:57
Speaker 1: already in the bank and happened to be carrying a briefcase.
30:01
Speaker 1: And when they locked the doors, he said, do you
30:04
Speaker 1: see my little accomplice over there, Give him the money.
30:07
Speaker 1: So it kind of takes a turn. Yeah, this guy's
30:09
Speaker 1: calling the bank ahead of time, but he's he's thought
30:12
Speaker 1: a little further along than you might give him credit
30:14
Speaker 1: for initial totally.
30:15
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I got to that point in the story,
30:17
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, all right.
30:19
Speaker 1: All right, I may have misjudged you over Bailey.
30:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. So the cousin's already in there,
30:23
Speaker 2: because immediately when the bank was like, well, let's just
30:25
Speaker 2: go lock the door. But like that kind of solves
30:27
Speaker 2: the problem right there.
30:30
Speaker 1: But now they've locked themselves in with the bank robber.
30:33
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So the bank robber's in there, which is
30:35
Speaker 2: the sixteen year o or the accomplish or whatever is
30:37
Speaker 2: in there? I guess bank robber. Sure, And the teller
30:41
Speaker 2: actually puts money in the briefcase and the kid left
30:45
Speaker 2: the bank. The sixteen year on left with this money
30:48
Speaker 2: because I guess it just it still took the cops
30:50
Speaker 2: a little bit of time to get there. Police said
30:53
Speaker 2: that they when they got there, he was walking out
30:56
Speaker 2: to the car outside to where Bailey was waiting in
31:02
Speaker 2: his car in a nearby apartment or kind of minim complex.
31:07
Speaker 2: But they really did have a police scanner. They surrendered,
31:10
Speaker 2: but they had walkie talkies, They had a robbery list
31:14
Speaker 2: of things to do, and they had a working police
31:17
Speaker 2: scanner tuned into that frequency, so that was not a bluff.
31:21
Speaker 1: There was something else that stood out to me. The
31:23
Speaker 1: CT Insider story says that the sixteen year old cousin
31:27
Speaker 1: wordlessly put the briefcase on the teller's counter, and I
31:33
Speaker 1: suspect it is weird. I'll bet it was creepy, but
31:35
Speaker 1: I suspect that. I guess Albert Bailey was maybe looking
31:39
Speaker 1: out for his cousin, because first of all, he's a juvenile,
31:42
Speaker 1: so he's underage.
31:43
Speaker 2: So don't say anything yes.
31:45
Speaker 1: Don't say put the money in the bank, don't say
31:47
Speaker 1: I'm Robin the bank, don't say anything. And essentially, as
31:50
Speaker 1: far as a judge is concerned, this kid was basically
31:54
Speaker 1: a tool and extension of Albert Bailey, who you could
31:57
Speaker 1: argue is being used against his own will. That stood
32:00
Speaker 1: out to me. I'm supposing here, but it seems like
32:03
Speaker 1: that might have been the idea behind his cousin not
32:07
Speaker 1: saying anything in the bank.
32:09
Speaker 2: I wonder if they said do you want large bills
32:11
Speaker 2: and he said, damn right, it's a gun.
32:13
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, let's press the alarm. They're like
32:16
Speaker 1: this seems uncannily familiar to a story I've heard around
32:19
Speaker 1: the campfire making s'mores on.
32:23
Speaker 2: So there was one more little point to this one
32:24
Speaker 2: that you found though, that was pretty good. First of all,
32:28
Speaker 2: Bailey had just gotten out of prison seven year stint
32:31
Speaker 2: for robbing another people's bank in Bridgeport, Connecticut. But the
32:38
Speaker 2: Bailey said this time, he said, you know, I was
32:42
Speaker 2: kidnapped earlier, and some guy kidnapped me and he put
32:46
Speaker 2: a bomb in my pocket. Yeah, and said that he
32:49
Speaker 2: was unless I robbed this bank for him, he was
32:51
Speaker 2: going to blow me.
32:51
Speaker 1: Up, which sounds very strangely familiar compared to remember the
32:56
Speaker 1: Brian Wells story the pizza man, the pizza delivery man
32:59
Speaker 1: who really did have a collar bomb put around him
33:02
Speaker 1: and forced to rob a bank.
33:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, the collar bomb heighst episode exactly.
33:06
Speaker 1: That happened the same year that Ronald Bailey said it
33:09
Speaker 1: happened to him. That was not a widely known story,
33:14
Speaker 1: I think at the time, was it?
33:18
Speaker 2: It sort of was. I mean, I don't know if
33:19
Speaker 2: it was national. Where was that? Do you remember Eerie Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Connecticut,
33:25
Speaker 2: same side of the country.
33:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so people talk between those two states, right, sure, Okay,
33:30
Speaker 1: but I just thought that was very odd, same year,
33:32
Speaker 1: so I guess he was either inspired by the story
33:34
Speaker 1: or it's just coincidence he came up with the same idea.
33:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, that man, that was a good one.
33:40
Speaker 1: It was poor Brian wells Man, good lord, like the
33:44
Speaker 1: whole thing, that whole if I remember correctly, that whole story,
33:47
Speaker 1: the way it's going, it's just so mad cap and
33:50
Speaker 1: nuts that there's no ways actually gonna die. And then
33:53
Speaker 1: he dies. Yeah, it's just so said. He's just such
33:56
Speaker 1: a hapless dude. That just that that happened to Gil.
34:01
Speaker 1: He is very much so. And then did you see
34:04
Speaker 1: I think it was called Mastermind, the Netflix special on
34:07
Speaker 1: the woman who devised that plan.
34:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw it back then, I think, yeah, when
34:12
Speaker 2: we recorded.
34:13
Speaker 1: It, that was good. And while we're talking about I
34:16
Speaker 1: just want to shout out, I don't remember the director's
34:21
Speaker 1: name well enough to try to pronounce it, but the
34:23
Speaker 1: guy who directed The.
34:25
Speaker 2: Lobster, Oh yeah, sure.
34:27
Speaker 1: I finally saw The Lobster, Chuck, And I asked you
34:29
Speaker 1: about it, and you're like, yeah, like eight years ago,
34:33
Speaker 1: but you did agree it's a good movie.
34:34
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's Yorgis Lanthemos.
34:38
Speaker 1: I think, I think so, Yes, that sounds right.
34:40
Speaker 2: He's great, Yeah, he is.
34:42
Speaker 1: And the thing that turned me on to him was
34:43
Speaker 1: I just took a chance and watch the Killing of
34:46
Speaker 1: a Sacred Deer Boy and it is just really good.
34:49
Speaker 1: It's it's definitely different than The Lobster. But Colin Ferrell
34:53
Speaker 1: is just perfect as this just dead pan, bone dry
34:58
Speaker 1: character that he plays in both those.
35:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great. He also did the favorite in the
35:04
Speaker 2: Academy Award winning Poor Things from last year.
35:08
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't see that. I didn't know about that.
35:10
Speaker 2: Oh, hang on to your hats and watch Poor Things.
35:13
Speaker 1: Okay, great, Yeah, I want everything that guy's doing.
35:16
Speaker 2: Yea, yea. I wouldn't even tell anything about it. But
35:17
Speaker 2: you should also go back and watch his early foreign
35:20
Speaker 2: language film out Dog Dog Tooth.
35:24
Speaker 1: Okay, I started Alps, which is another one.
35:27
Speaker 2: I have not seen Alps, but from his early work,
35:29
Speaker 2: the only one I've seen his Dog Tooth, which was
35:32
Speaker 2: also disturbing. And he's great, like he's one of the
35:38
Speaker 2: sort of brilliant directors working today. I think.
35:40
Speaker 1: I think brilliant is an excellent word to describe him.
35:43
Speaker 2: And you were kind of bagging on Colin Ferrell Colin
35:47
Speaker 2: Farrell a little bit, and I think he's he's great.
35:50
Speaker 2: You need to see some more of his good stuff.
35:53
Speaker 1: What's his good stuff?
35:55
Speaker 2: Well? Did you see in Bruges or.
35:57
Speaker 1: I couldn't make it too in Bruges?
36:00
Speaker 2: Oh wow? Yeah, Well then you probably didn't watch the
36:03
Speaker 2: recent one, the with Brendan Gleason, the same one, the
36:08
Speaker 2: same guy he was in Bruges with the Bansheese of
36:11
Speaker 2: Inna Sharon.
36:13
Speaker 1: No, but I saw that served up to me on
36:16
Speaker 1: whatever streaming service I was watching it on. No.
36:19
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's great and it's actually got Berry.
36:22
Speaker 2: I don't know you pronounce name Keegan, I guess or Cogan.
36:25
Speaker 1: That kid is good. He's in killing of his Sacred deer.
36:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so you'd probably you'd probably like this, I.
36:31
Speaker 1: Think, Okay, all right, well I'll give it a shot.
36:33
Speaker 2: Great quirk, quirky Irish movie. Yeah.
36:35
Speaker 1: And then I also went back and watched Black Swan
36:37
Speaker 1: again last night, and.
36:39
Speaker 2: Oh boy, that is such a good movie.
36:41
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
36:42
Speaker 2: I saw that in the theater and I haven't seen
36:43
Speaker 2: it since.
36:44
Speaker 1: I saw it because you me and I went to
36:46
Speaker 1: go see Swan Lake at Kennedy Center in Stree. It
36:51
Speaker 1: was amazing. We stayed at the Watergate and then walked
36:53
Speaker 1: over to the Kennedy Center and watched Swan Lake. It
36:56
Speaker 1: was I was like, this is probably the most cultured
36:58
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done in my entire life. It was great,
37:02
Speaker 1: great well.
37:03
Speaker 2: Also staying at the Watergate and going to see Swan Lake.
37:05
Speaker 2: That was the very seventies esque experience.
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Speaker 1: Super for sure. But I like having seen it now
37:11
Speaker 1: and then watching Black Swan it just makes you appreciate
37:14
Speaker 1: it that much more. It's a good movie.
37:16
Speaker 2: All right, here's what I say we do. I'm gonna
37:18
Speaker 2: have a quick recommendation of something I've been watching. Okay,
37:21
Speaker 2: and I say that in that time, you pick one
37:23
Speaker 2: of these two to do.
37:25
Speaker 1: Ah, it's like picking between my two children.
37:28
Speaker 2: Do we have to do them both?
37:29
Speaker 1: No, we can just do one. I already I already
37:31
Speaker 1: know which child I'm going with.
37:33
Speaker 2: I know. But before we get to that, since this
37:37
Speaker 2: is just a sort of a free wheeling episode, I'm
37:39
Speaker 2: going to recommend the great great show Ripley. Oh really
37:43
Speaker 2: that is on Netflix.
37:45
Speaker 1: Right now, The Tom Ripley stuff.
37:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the talented mister Ripley. The Tom Ripley story,
37:49
Speaker 2: but it is told over eight episodes. It is in
37:54
Speaker 2: the most gorgeous black and white that I may have
37:57
Speaker 2: ever seen. And I want to show out the DP
38:01
Speaker 2: the cinematographer Brendan Gleeson. That's very funny, but no, it
38:06
Speaker 2: was the legendary cinematographer Robert Elswit, who besides shooting all
38:12
Speaker 2: of pt Anderson's movies, he's shot another forty other like
38:16
Speaker 2: major movies you've heard of. But he did the great
38:18
Speaker 2: black and white work in good Night and good Luck.
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Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah, that was good black and white stuff.
38:24
Speaker 2: And it's just stunning photography. And the guy who plays Ripley, Oh,
38:29
Speaker 2: what's his name? He was in he was in Fleabag
38:35
Speaker 2: what's his name? Emily has a real crush on him.
38:39
Speaker 1: Brendan Gleeson.
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Speaker 2: No, it's a good one though. Andrew Scott, Andrew Scott's
38:43
Speaker 2: in it, and Dakota Fanning is in it, and it's
38:45
Speaker 2: just really, really, really well done. And I think fans
38:47
Speaker 2: of the book or maybe more than one book. Is
38:50
Speaker 2: it more than one book?
38:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a series.
38:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think fans of the book series are I
38:55
Speaker 2: think it's a lot more true to that. So they
38:56
Speaker 2: seem to be pretty happy about it. Yeah. But the
38:59
Speaker 2: other guy that's in it is Sting's son, Jeff Ellie
39:04
Speaker 2: No Elliott Sumner sting son. This guy he plays Freddy,
39:08
Speaker 2: And I was like, who is this guy? Where have
39:10
Speaker 2: I seen him? I was like, Oh, it's young Sting basically.
39:12
Speaker 1: Oh cool, They're good.
39:14
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, nice, pretty good and looks like young Sting.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well I will check it out. I do have
39:21
Speaker 1: a question though, did you watch all eight episodes yet? No?
39:26
Speaker 2: I'm on. I think we finished six last night, so
39:29
Speaker 2: I got a couple more.
39:31
Speaker 1: So that's my problem with a like limited series as
39:34
Speaker 1: they start out like like like Gangbusters basically, and then
39:40
Speaker 1: they just peter out like a episode four or five,
39:43
Speaker 1: six sometimes, and I like, it's just almost all of them.
39:48
Speaker 1: Do they're so rare that they make it through all
39:51
Speaker 1: eight episodes or ten episodes or whatever where you're not like, yep,
39:54
Speaker 1: didn't need two of those episodes easily.
39:57
Speaker 2: This is doesn't feel padded to me. It's it's really
39:59
Speaker 2: really good so far, and I don't think it'll peter
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Speaker 2: out because it's just getting sort of climaxy in the
40:05
Speaker 2: here toward the end.
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Speaker 1: I have to say, Chuck, it just struck me as
40:08
Speaker 1: ridiculously audacious for me to be complaining about people patting
40:12
Speaker 1: their series in the middle of this episode. That's pretty
40:16
Speaker 1: pretty rich.
40:18
Speaker 2: All right, So we'll finish up. But I also should
40:19
Speaker 2: recommend Fallout, the TV show about the video game Fallout,
40:24
Speaker 2: one of the video games I played on Amazon Prime
40:26
Speaker 2: with the great, great great Walton Goggins, one of my favorites.
40:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, got you snuck one more in? Huh, well, that
40:32
Speaker 1: means we're doing the last two of these.
40:34
Speaker 2: Now, No, no, don't punish me. Let's talk about Dennis Hawkins. Hey, nope,
40:38
Speaker 2: Oh you want to do the last guy?
40:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't like the last guy?
40:42
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I thought you were gonna go with Dennis Hawkins.
40:44
Speaker 1: No, I thought the last guy had a great twist
40:46
Speaker 1: to it. But all right, let's.
40:48
Speaker 2: Let's do it. James Washington. Everyone can look up Dennis
40:50
Speaker 2: Hawkins if they want to know about him.
40:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, great idea. Look up Dennis Hawkins
40:54
Speaker 1: and you'll pretty much get the whole the whole thing,
40:57
Speaker 1: just from looking at a picture of them. All right, me, So,
41:01
Speaker 1: James Washington, is this guy who was doing fifteen in
41:05
Speaker 1: a Clink in Nashville back in two thousand and nine.
41:09
Speaker 1: I don't know how far he was into his fifteen
41:11
Speaker 1: year sentence, but he was definitely in there for attempted murder.
41:14
Speaker 1: And he was pretty young, age forty seven when he
41:18
Speaker 1: suffered a heart attack in prison and was taken to
41:22
Speaker 1: the hospital and he was like, I don't think I'm
41:24
Speaker 1: going to make it. And I guess his conscience was
41:27
Speaker 1: bothering him because he had to get something off of
41:29
Speaker 1: his chest.
41:30
Speaker 2: He decided that's right, as happened. Sometimes you hear about
41:35
Speaker 2: this in prison, when someone is dying or something in
41:39
Speaker 2: jail or in prison, they will admit to other crimes.
41:42
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened in this case. When he
41:46
Speaker 2: told the prison guard, Hey, come over here, and the
41:48
Speaker 2: guy came over there and he was like, I actually
41:50
Speaker 2: murdered Joyce Goodner back in nineteen ninety five. I'm dying
41:55
Speaker 2: and I just had to get this off my chest.
41:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, I killed somebody. I beat her to death.
42:00
Speaker 1: The guard said that was James Tomlinson, who was the guard.
42:03
Speaker 1: He just happened to be the closest person and that
42:07
Speaker 1: would have probably been that had James Washington died, but
42:10
Speaker 1: he actually took a turn for the better and recovered.
42:13
Speaker 1: And when it became clear to him that he wasn't
42:15
Speaker 1: going to die, he said, you remember that thing that
42:18
Speaker 1: I confessed to you. I want to go ahead and
42:20
Speaker 1: recant that.
42:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they said, no, takes these back siaes. No,
42:25
Speaker 2: we suspected you to begin with. Apparently this was in Nashville,
42:30
Speaker 2: and they knew that he had met with Goodner on
42:33
Speaker 2: the day of her murder. He was a person of
42:35
Speaker 2: interest in the case, but they just didn't have enough
42:37
Speaker 2: to press charges against and it was an unsolved case.
42:41
Speaker 2: But he confessed and they said, all right, I'm glad
42:44
Speaker 2: you're feeling better. Let's just add a life sentence to
42:47
Speaker 2: your already long sentence.
42:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he got convicted of it for his own
42:53
Speaker 1: confession that he couldn't take back, and he didn't die.
42:56
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's pretty ironic. He didn't die, So got
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Speaker 1: life in prison. That's right, You got anything else? We
43:04
Speaker 1: want to do it? Three or four more of these.
43:06
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is when we were about a
43:08
Speaker 2: third of the way through and it was not much
43:11
Speaker 2: was happening, I was like, oh, you know what we'll
43:14
Speaker 2: do maybe at the end, we'll just do some recommendations,
43:16
Speaker 2: like so many podcasts do that, like what they've been
43:18
Speaker 2: reading or watching. Yeah, I said, maybe we'll just throw
43:21
Speaker 2: that in there for fun, and then we ended up
43:23
Speaker 2: organically doing it kind of in the last third.
43:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you introduce the thought of doing recommendations in
43:31
Speaker 1: the first act, you have to shoot it all in.
43:34
Speaker 1: That's what they said.
43:35
Speaker 2: Well done, Thanks well.
43:37
Speaker 1: Chuck said, well done everybody, And that means I want
43:39
Speaker 1: to finish on a high note, which means it's time
43:41
Speaker 1: for listener mail.
43:43
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna call this I don't know. This
43:46
Speaker 2: is just sort of a funny email from one of
43:47
Speaker 2: our listeners about the white dog poop. Hey, guys, my
43:51
Speaker 2: son is a regular listener. He tells me about your podcast,
43:54
Speaker 2: and he thinks I would like NICs And what guy
43:57
Speaker 2: do you know that doesn't like to joke about poop?
44:00
Speaker 1: But not many, not many.
44:03
Speaker 2: I never thought about the change and the color of
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Speaker 2: dog poop and the hardness until you pointed it out.
44:08
Speaker 2: But I do remember when I was in the fifth
44:09
Speaker 2: grade in nineteen fifty five. This is one of our
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Speaker 2: elder states persons getting in a white dog poop fight
44:17
Speaker 2: with one of our neighbors, Jerry. He had a big
44:21
Speaker 2: black dog and his next door neighbors had a big boxer,
44:24
Speaker 2: so there were massive amounts of white dog poop in
44:26
Speaker 2: both yards. I had an advantage because I wasn't wearing oh,
44:30
Speaker 2: because I was wearing gloves, and Cherry wasn't. The dog
44:34
Speaker 2: poop we were throwing was white and hard. I don't
44:37
Speaker 2: remember who won. It stopped when we ran out of
44:39
Speaker 2: white poop. The fight probably resulted in a tie. Laughing
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Speaker 2: crying emoji. And that is from dear listener Alan White
44:49
Speaker 2: and Alan, this just struck me as very cute and
44:52
Speaker 2: funny and kind of perfect for this episode.
44:54
Speaker 1: That is a great, great, great email. Thank you very much.
44:57
Speaker 1: Who was it that was, Alan, Alan, that's a great one. Alan.
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Speaker 1: That's the great thing about growing up at that age.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: You used to be able to throw poop at one another,
45:06
Speaker 1: and some kids wouldn't even wear gloves when they did
45:09
Speaker 1: it like that. It was just that kind of lucy,
45:11
Speaker 1: goosey time, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not like these coddle kids these days with their
45:15
Speaker 2: poop gloves.
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Speaker 1: Now they wear two pairs of gloves when they throw poop. Well,
45:20
Speaker 1: thanks a lot. If you want to be like Alan
45:22
Speaker 1: and reminisce with us, we love that kind of stuff.
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