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TV BONUS: Severance: Season 2, Episodes 9-10 · Left of the Projector

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  Evan: Hello and welcome to Left of the Projector. I'm your host, Evan,
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  Evan: back again with another TV discussion from the left.
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  Evan: This week on the show, we are rounding out our Severance trilogy of episodes
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  Evan: covering the final two, episodes 9 and 10 of Season 2.
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  Evan: And back, of course, to round it out, I have Smirk and Red. Thank you for coming
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  Evan: back one final time on Severance.
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  red: Thank you for having me.
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  smirk: Yeah thank you i'm a little i'm it's bittersweet because i'm sad the show we're
• 0:51
  smirk: gonna have to probably wait like what two years who knows 70.
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  Evan: They they claimed i sexually it's funny you said that i saw an article that
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  Evan: said they've already started pre-production and they're hoping to release it
• 1:04
  Evan: in middle of next year so like a year from now wow okay it was it was mostly because of
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  Evan: strike, I think, that led to all the delays from last season.
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  red: That's kind of what happened with most shows. But, and also in like the era
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  red: of streaming, they just sometimes release things like two years later.
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  smirk: It seemed like viewership and interest in the show picked up even more with like the second season.
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  smirk: So maybe they were able to get a little more money and like.
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  red: You know get it done quicker yeah.
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  Evan: And also it seems like if
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  Evan: you're this if you're the studio or netflix or apple whatever you probably don't
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  Evan: mind there being a longer delay then they could just throw a bunch of other
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  Evan: shows at you that are you know coming out like they have a million shows so
• 1:49
  Evan: you know may as well make will not cancel their apple subscription or whatever
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  Evan: because they claim they lost like a ton of money i saw some absurd number.
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  smirk: But i guess they do that though And somebody else was saying,
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  smirk: like, it's not really about it's it's not really significant for Apple to lose
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  smirk: money because they've had Apple TV for how long now? Hasn't been that long.
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  Evan: Oh, God. Like, you mean like the service like Apple TV Plus?
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  smirk: Yeah.
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  Evan: Five years?
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  smirk: Yeah. And I guess typically with maybe the exception of Netflix,
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  smirk: but even then, probably not.
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  smirk: They don't usually make money for like the first many years.
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  Evan: That's true. It's not like Apple is not making like gobs of money.
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  Evan: It's like, oh, poor Apple Plus TV. They lost a billion dollars, they said.
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  smirk: Yeah, they'll be okay. It's like pocket change. They'll be all right, which makes me sick.
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  Evan: Yeah, I mean, it says that they invested $5 billion per year in content since
• 2:43
  Evan: its launch in, it doesn't say what year.
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  Evan: But yeah, I mean, I guess it only accounts to 1% of streaming services compared
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  Evan: to Netflix, which is almost 8.5.
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  Evan: So, like, it's a pretty small amount, but.
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  smirk: Yeah, well, they don't have as much content. as the other ones.
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  Evan: No but it's really good like yeah it's like curated tv shows are really good
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  Evan: so i have a question about the like i sort of discussion do we want to just
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  Evan: talk about like episode nine and then ten or just kind of talk about the the
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  Evan: events kind of like as one big movie kind of thing and it's it.
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  smirk: Felt like a movie to me because i watched him right in a row again today it
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  smirk: felt like that but i'm good with whatever.
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  Evan: They feel like they almost could have been, like this last episode we were talking
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  Evan: last time about how it was a really long episode, like almost the length of a movie.
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  Evan: And then the previous one was about 40 minutes. So it's like a two hour.
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  Evan: And it really did, to me, kind of all feel like a movie because the previous
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  Evan: episode was kind of that not related, you know, kind of we were talking about
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  Evan: kind of a weird side episode.
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  Evan: And this one kind of just brought everything that's happened for basically two
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  Evan: seasons, like all together. So.
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  red: Yeah.
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  Evan: What did you both think of the finale? I feel like some of our predictions were actually correct.
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  smirk: Well, Red like 100% nailed it. Like you were one time, I hope you went back
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  smirk: on Reddit or wherever and told all those.
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  red: I do, you guys. I'm not even petty. I just know they remember that I'm right and they're wrong.
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  smirk: So they better know it because you nailed it. Yeah, you were 100% right.
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  Evan: I think we both, I think we all, I don't remember one of us in particular.
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  Evan: i think we also sort of agreed that the ending of the whole we
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  Evan: maybe we didn't get like the very ending where i was a little bit surprised
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  Evan: we can get to that too but you know
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  Evan: seeing gemma and mark kind of
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  Evan: finally meeting and like being together again and then you know of course they
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  Evan: weren't going to just live happily ever after in severance you know universe
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  Evan: it has to have some selfishness that mark apparently has because he's just a
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  Evan: is he just a dick is that just i.
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  smirk: Just i have so many feelings about this.
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  red: Um i do too yeah.
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  smirk: And i don't know if you.
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  red: I fear if we don't go in like an order we're gonna talk almost all about episode
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  red: 10 and not about season or episode 9 at all.
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  Evan: Okay yeah.
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  red: You're right so that i don't really care but for the like sanctity of the viewer
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  red: being able to understand like maybe the order to some extent we should start
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  red: with nine because ten to me i could talk all day.
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  smirk: Yeah no i think you're right because i do have a lot of thoughts about nine
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  smirk: specifically because it was set up so much of what happens in ten.
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  Evan: Well it also really builds the
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  Evan: the thing that you didn't really get at all in this season except for like little
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  Evan: bits here and there is understanding sort of like the egan family and sort of
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  Evan: their stake in all of this and how invested they are And also that it's really
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  Evan: weird to eat eggs cut in tiny pieces.
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  Evan: And also the weirdest line I thought of the whole show was Egan saying to Helena.
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  red: I wish you'd eat it raw.
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  smirk: Just don't ever. Yeah. Like what? I so badly want that man to be bloody gold on camera.
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  smirk: Like I just want him to be absolutely destroyed. He's just such a weird husk
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  smirk: of a person. He's just so gross.
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  red: He is pretty disturbing to bear witness to. Yeah.
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  Evan: Well, I saw a theory for the last one aired, or maybe it was after,
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  Evan: that I read in retrospect,
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  Evan: saying that some people thought that even in the last two episodes,
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  Evan: that it was actually Helena in The Severed Floor and not Heli again.
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  Evan: And I don't buy that at all. I don't.
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  red: So, for what episodes did you say that was for?
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  Evan: The last two. Like, the last, like, at the end. Yeah, so.
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  red: I think I talked to Smirk about this. Sorry, go ahead.
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  Evan: No, I think it was even before that, like when they like sleep together to an
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  Evan: episode six. I don't remember.
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  red: Oh, OK. So she they never I mean, like they do because like Irving's literally about to kill her.
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  red: So like they they do. But I thought that the last episode was Helena again.
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  red: And the actress herself actually was like, stop, because that's not true.
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  red: It was Heli. so yeah i want i was being naive and i wanted to like think wishfully
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  red: but even i forget her name i think it's brit or something like that i don't
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  red: know um her actress was like nope that's not true so.
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  smirk: Which i appreciate because so often they'll be like well i don't know i don't
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  smirk: know yeah shut up just like tell me give me one thing there's so many question
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  smirk: marks just like get rid of one well they like to yeah i.
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  Evan: Mean some shows really like to feed the you know the vague nature and all the
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  Evan: theories and here they like they like to do that but at the same time they also
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  Evan: want people to maybe not just i don't know i don't want to say like ruin it
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  Evan: but in a way like ruin it with like too many stupid theories.
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  smirk: Yeah and i think that's good that
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  smirk: they don't like overly encourage because it is it is exhausting and
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  smirk: we've talked about like the incredibly like goofy
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  smirk: theories about like oh so and so is actually someone else's father and it's
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  smirk: really this guy and it's like shut off like why do you think that you're just
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  smirk: imagining like the weirdest thing that it could be like based on nothing yeah
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  smirk: nonsense but yeah the egg thing was super weird um he tells,
• 8:14
  smirk: oh no it's later on that he says it to he says it to her eddie but um well.
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  Evan: Then after that is when uh miss huang has to just like ends her end of her fellowship
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  Evan: and has to smash her little like ring toss game it's like.
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  red: That shit made me so sad it was a.
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  smirk: Fuck and.
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  red: I watched that i think i I watched that right after we had our episode where
• 8:33
  red: we're talking about child labor and possibly pretty much, you know, figured it out.
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  red: But like I was almost near tears and I was like, God damn, I wish I wish post
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  red: was a thing on this podcast so I could just bleep all my awful remarks about Miss Wong.
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  red: Poor little baby girl. We'll miss you forever. I'm so sorry.
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  smirk: It's it's sad and i think she's a good example of the way that like we can get
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  smirk: really frustrated with people who seem to have like bought into very harmful
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  smirk: like ideologies and and are just kind of,
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  smirk: there's sort of an extension and symptomatic of like greater issues
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  smirk: like she's she was annoying and weird and like why is this child here but also
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  smirk: like she's literally kid like that sucks like it's understandable to be like
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  smirk: really frustrated with her and angry and like kind of hate her a little bit
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  smirk: but also yeah that broke my heart too when she had a she had a smash her ring
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  smirk: toss game this is like the only thing she had literally.
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  red: Only thing and what's so funny is i was literally on a different podcast today
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  red: talking about like, you know, people can be like insufferable in crisis and
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  red: it's not their fault because they're literally in crisis.
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  red: And I would consider a Miss Huang situation to be a crisis.
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  red: So even if I was like, oh my God, I can't stand you, the real world application
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  red: would be like, maybe we should save this child, right?
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  red: So, you know, I'm eating my words a little here but children in the world real
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  red: world lumen society deserve nothing but unconditional support even if they're
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  red: doing fuck shit like miss hong.
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  Evan: She's been like brought into this space
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  Evan: by her parents presumably although
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  Evan: i also had a theory that maybe she
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  Evan: doesn't have parents or know who they are and somehow
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  Evan: she was like adopted by this like by uh lumen and that's why they have the birthing
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  Evan: center we see later in the end of the episode episode nine where like i don't
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  Evan: know like we also learned that heli is not you know she has i don't know half
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  Evan: sisters and brothers and things right don't they mention that she has um.
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  red: Egan himself is like i have squire private families or whatever dumbass lingo
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  red: and for a second and like took me a second like did he just say he just like
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  red: has random fucking kids and it was helena's any that he was like yeah you're the best.
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  Evan: One yeah.
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  smirk: When he oh my god yeah and that's we'll talk about that too because that whole
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  smirk: that whole interaction was crazy um i yeah i think this one like that's,
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  smirk: interaction between him and helena
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  smirk: at the beginning and then later
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  smirk: on when he ends up talking to heli and then him at the end like if if we didn't
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  smirk: have the whole like weird cult vibe like this very bizarre sort of like it feels
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  smirk: like they're trying to cultivate a sort of humanity,
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  smirk: that doesn't exist currently like i just i'm i'm trying to put into words like
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  smirk: what do you guys think ultimately they are trying to do with this like.
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  Evan: The goal of what is cold harbor like what are they going to use it.
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  smirk: For yeah because because we don't get to see like what exactly like
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  smirk: obviously she's going to be dead but like i'm just i'm trying
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  smirk: to figure out like how that ties into their whole weird cult thing like
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  smirk: he's a lot
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  smirk: of the way that he speaks about people and the temp
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  smirk: and the cure talks about like the tempers and everything it's sort
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  smirk: of like the original sin thing right like it's it's all the things that are
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  smirk: like wrong with people kind of and you have to tame them and fix them so like
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  smirk: he's not capable of really loving his children in any real sense because he
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  smirk: thinks they're inherently bad like humanity's just bad at the core so,
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  smirk: what the fuck like what are they what is that like what's the goal i just i
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  smirk: don't know i just need to know if you guys have some idea of what that might
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  smirk: be because it's bothering me.
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  red: Um i still like your question is what's the goal of the severance.
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  smirk: Yeah like as far as it pertains to their weird culty thing okay.
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  red: So for me maybe this is like too
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  red: much explanation for it to make sense even as a theory but like
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  red: we talked about it i think on the last episode that like cults need capital
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  red: and one way they do that in the real world is by like welfare fraud like everybody
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  red: gets on welfare and then the cult leader is just like capital um not that's
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  red: not really how that works.
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  red: But you get what I'm saying anyway. They have money. And,
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  red: I kind of viewed the severance as that. I still am kind of basing my theory
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  red: off of they're trying to perfect the severance to sell it, and they need money
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  red: as an ever-growing profit, as a capitalist cult.
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  red: And the severance is just a part of that. I feel like they have their hands in everything, right?
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  red: The birthing experience, I still feel like that falls in line with this concept
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  red: of Like, you can sever to have birth, buy it today.
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  red: Like, you can sever to go to the dentist because we saw Jim at the dentist.
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  red: Like, I, maybe that's just me, like, analyzing it too much, like, as a communist.
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  red: But I feel like it still has to be, like, very tightly wound into,
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  red: like, a critique of capitalism.
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  Evan: I think all of that is correct. But then I also have part of me says the aspect
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  Evan: of them being very like godlike and, you know, kind of revered.
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  Evan: And they have these weird paintings, you know, that Burke throughout season
• 14:24
  Evan: one is, you know, restoring and putting up.
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  Evan: And they have this very weird way of looking at their themselves,
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  Evan: like in the in the world as, you know, a Jesus Christ or godlike figure.
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  Evan: It seems like they want to control people in a way that would be godlike.
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  Evan: So I think at the end of the day, it comes down to what you're saying,
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  Evan: Red, is this is to make money through all of these things, but at the same time
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  Evan: also control people in a way that shouldn't be able to be controlled.
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  Evan: They're doing like, what's the fucking government test they did for mind control?
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  Evan: I'm blanking on the name.
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  red: MKUltra?
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  Evan: It's like they're MK. I think we even said this in the first episode.
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  Evan: Like, they're very doing MKUltra type of shit.
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  Evan: You know, they just want to do something that is so insane that they will be
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  Evan: revered and, you know, looked at.
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  Evan: And the governments will buy their, you know, their tool for government shit.
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  Evan: And people will do it for, you know, dentists.
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  Evan: And everyone will want to be severed to do things.
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  red: But you see it more in like a holy God way.
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  red: So like, could you mesh your theory with like the severance is so that they
• 15:39
  red: it's a tier, a tier system, the science of it all severance is a part of like
• 15:44
  red: making cure clones then.
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  Evan: In some way, though, I think I think that maybe the God aspect is just an excuse, you know.
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  red: OK, I can see that.
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  Evan: So like that's like how they're making it like they're doing
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  Evan: all these things for this power but at the end of
• 16:01
  Evan: the day they're just controlled and they're led by their
• 16:04
  Evan: need to make capital for themselves dominate yeah
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  Evan: like imperialism basically i mean
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  Evan: i think so i i think it's like one is
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  Evan: kind of an excuse for the other and it's kind of the whole episode like the
• 16:16
  Evan: weird interaction you mentioned uh later on when heli sees her father again
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  Evan: and it's all it's just so fucking creepy he's so creepy the little like the
• 16:28
  Evan: is it the last episode where like there's the the animatronic one of him too like moving around oh.
• 16:34
  smirk: The cure thing.
• 16:35
  Evan: Yeah that's.
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  red: Fair though and.
• 16:37
  Evan: Yes okay.
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  red: Also i feel like the god thing is like kind of a front too because god to them
• 16:43
  red: is cure right but then is his name jame yeah.
• 16:47
  smirk: Like a singular jame.
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  Evan: Okay well.
• 16:50
  red: The one singular jam is um if and correct me if i'm wrong because y'all should
• 16:57
  red: remember this because you watched it today he seems to like not really love kira like he like,
• 17:04
  red: like talked about Kier in a way that he was like very upset and angry and that's
• 17:10
  red: how he was like comparing Helly to him is and that Helly is like super upset
• 17:15
  red: and angry her and he is do y'all remember that I.
• 17:17
  Evan: Feel like he's see I think it's like he saw some sort of divert diversion or
• 17:24
  Evan: like move of the organ like he wants the he wants ultimate control and to be
• 17:28
  Evan: remembered for what he did for Kier's name, not what, like, Kier did before him.
• 17:33
  red: Not what Kier did. Okay, so you see, okay, that makes sense.
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  red: So it's his own personal grievance.
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  Evan: It seems like it. I mean, I don't know for sure, but the actor is good.
• 17:42
  smirk: Yeah, no, I can see that. It's like, he's like in the shadow of this,
• 17:45
  smirk: like, mythical figure of Kier, and he doesn't really like, everything that they're
• 17:49
  smirk: doing now will be his legacy.
• 17:52
  red: Yeah, so he's got to, like, really take it over the top with the separate.
• 17:56
  Evan: And according to this, he's the eighth CEO of the company?
• 17:59
  Evan: i forgot that so it's like pretty you know
• 18:02
  Evan: he wants i'm sure if you know i don't know if they
• 18:04
  Evan: ever describe what each ceo did and what their accomplishments part
• 18:07
  Evan: what he wants his to be like the ultimate accomplishment like
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  Evan: cold harbor is essentially to
• 18:14
  Evan: them as they describe it as like the ultimate ending game
• 18:18
  Evan: for lumen as a company like yeah okay they made some like watches
• 18:22
  Evan: or like astronaut food in their you know
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  Evan: vending machines but like this is like the culmination of
• 18:28
  Evan: and he wants his name to be you know
• 18:31
  Evan: synonymous with him but we also
• 18:34
  Evan: get oh sorry go ahead i was the other part of this like the middle part of this
• 18:37
  Evan: episode is we also get more of irving and we learn about you know he meets with
• 18:45
  Evan: bert and i think we also see some of the investigative notes,
• 18:52
  Evan: that uh what's the guy's name who like searches through him drummond oh then
• 18:56
  Evan: maybe that's the previous episode but we see him like we see all of these you
• 19:00
  Evan: know his uh notes that he has and he ends up going for a ride you know with
• 19:05
  Evan: with Bert and Bert is sort of saving him like what do you think Bert did before he.
• 19:12
  smirk: Seemed inordinately like a little offended but mostly just kind of resigning
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  smirk: himself to the reality that the note's true like he was he was a goon for Lumen like he,
• 19:23
  smirk: disappeared people and he did their dirty work a lot of the time and i think
• 19:28
  smirk: he's come to terms with the sort of person he was because of the fact that his
• 19:33
  smirk: innie was able to have this connection,
• 19:36
  smirk: and um he decides to take him away because that's that's his sort of redemption
• 19:40
  smirk: like he was hoping he would have it as an innie and he but that and he doesn't
• 19:45
  smirk: really exist anymore yeah he didn't even as an innie, he just couldn't get there.
• 19:50
  smirk: But yeah, I think he was definitely, he was like a,
• 19:54
  smirk: He's a bad dude. He did some bad stuff. And we talked about that in the last
• 19:57
  smirk: one, too. We were like, oh, he probably was like a really shady guy.
• 20:01
  smirk: They talked about his younger days getting up to some stuff.
• 20:05
  smirk: And I think he kind of told us what that stuff was. Not good.
• 20:09
  red: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Evan: And also, something I remember, maybe it was from the first season,
• 20:14
  Evan: is I think that Bert had become severed because of his church,
• 20:21
  Evan: like saying that it would almost make him
• 20:24
  Evan: like ascend to heaven whereas out he
• 20:27
  Evan: might not so like he could do something inside i'm sure
• 20:30
  Evan: like the lutheran church is probably like infiltrated by like lumen
• 20:33
  Evan: or something like you know to recruit people or something but that
• 20:37
  Evan: also then goes back to like the very godly aspect of things
• 20:40
  Evan: i don't know it's like this weird thing but to me it
• 20:43
  Evan: seems like he was bringing people to like the birthing place
• 20:46
  Evan: or taking someone somewhere or you know like a parent a
• 20:49
  Evan: mother of one of the people who has a child at the birthing center and
• 20:52
  Evan: it's like taking her away somewhere to like you know be chopped up or something
• 20:56
  Evan: and i don't know i don't know why chopped up came to mind but something i think
• 21:03
  Evan: of uh you know um what is the actor um oh christopher walken like i just think
• 21:08
  Evan: of him like other movies where he's more of a like a bad guy in this he's,
• 21:14
  Evan: soft-spoken, you know, family man.
• 21:17
  red: Yeah.
• 21:18
  Evan: Yeah. Like, what else, um, what other crazy things sort of happen in this?
• 21:22
  Evan: I guess this is also when, you know, Mark's sister calls Cobell to kind of get
• 21:29
  Evan: help because he's, his, like, reintegration is, you know, all messed up, and I don't know.
• 21:34
  Evan: Like, what do you, like, do you think that the last two episodes sort of,
• 21:37
  Evan: uh, are Cobell rebelling against Lumen, or it's her trying to,
• 21:42
  Evan: like, gain favor to then be go.
• 21:44
  smirk: Back i think she wants she wants uh she's she's
• 21:47
  smirk: pissed and she's mostly angry for herself
• 21:50
  smirk: because as we learned in the previous episode she
• 21:54
  smirk: invented the whole procedure the whole the whole
• 21:57
  smirk: method by which severance is possible and she never got the recognition
• 22:00
  smirk: she deserved and she's also been unceremoniously cast
• 22:04
  smirk: aside so i think
• 22:07
  smirk: she's i think the uh the bloom was off the
• 22:10
  smirk: rose and it's interesting that as she's coming to this realization
• 22:13
  smirk: we see um miss huang
• 22:16
  smirk: like very much in the same position that
• 22:19
  smirk: she was in when she was that same age probably
• 22:22
  smirk: and you know being initiated into
• 22:25
  smirk: this whole thing and just signing and having
• 22:28
  smirk: her i don't even know if she can really consent to it because she's a kid
• 22:31
  smirk: but her life is signed away in service of lumen
• 22:34
  smirk: um so i did appreciate that juxtaposition a lot um yeah i don't think i don't
• 22:39
  smirk: know i think her i think her motives are pretty much pure to the extent that
• 22:44
  smirk: like she's not secretly i don't think she's like secretly helping lumen in any
• 22:49
  smirk: way i don't think they have anything to gain from what she's doing right now yeah.
• 22:53
  red: I think that is pretty much over like cobel
• 22:56
  red: slaving away for lumen that seems like kind of a dead hope and dream of lumen
• 23:01
  red: probably um but i don't think that she's being entirely like forthcoming about
• 23:08
  red: her reason i agree with smirk that it's it's largely selfish um and,
• 23:15
  red: otherwise like i think she is helping mark but it's just because it's she's
• 23:20
  red: not going to get the recognition of like this was her severance procedure almost
• 23:24
  red: like she didn't get to kill jimma so that's what she's upset about basically
• 23:27
  red: if you really want to boil it down to something like simple that's kind of what it is.
• 23:32
  Evan: Literally actually she wanted
• 23:36
  Evan: to like see the it's almost like you almost see
• 23:39
  Evan: the the uh like infighting
• 23:43
  Evan: between jame and you know cobel as each wanting to gain like credit for the
• 23:49
  Evan: things they did you know and neither of them is going to get credit it seemed
• 23:54
  Evan: because it doesn't well doesn't seem to well we'll get to the last episode in a few You're good.
• 24:01
  red: You're good. It's so hard to continue this off.
• 24:05
  smirk: Dylan's wife tells him that she kissed his zinni.
• 24:09
  red: I was kind of shocked that she told him. I feel like even as a viewer,
• 24:15
  red: knowing Dylan's outie, he wasn't really going to love that.
• 24:18
  smirk: Yeah.
• 24:18
  Evan: Is that infidelity?
• 24:21
  red: Yes, technically.
• 24:23
  smirk: Because it's a different person, right? I mean, if we answer that question in
• 24:26
  smirk: the affirmative, then we're acknowledging
• 24:28
  smirk: that these are fully separate people. which I think they are.
• 24:31
  red: I think so. I think it's technically infidelity, but I think the better question
• 24:37
  red: I would ask, just because I'm nosy, is if this was y'all's partners,
• 24:43
  red: would you consider infidelity?
• 24:46
  Evan: So if you're Dylan and you found, like, your wife told you or whatever that they had.
• 24:51
  red: Like, in your current relationship or if you're not in one previous whatever, like.
• 24:56
  Evan: I think it is, actually, because.
• 24:58
  red: Like, would you be offended? So you'd be like, I cannot believe you're fucking with my Annie.
• 25:02
  smirk: I would be, I would be a little, I would definitely be sad.
• 25:06
  red: Okay, that's fair.
• 25:08
  smirk: But it would also make me kind of, I feel like I would like to think what I
• 25:12
  smirk: would do is kind of, like, turn that.
• 25:16
  smirk: um turn it inward and kind of figure out like what got to this point because
• 25:20
  smirk: if it's it's it's like how why are they looking for me but not me.
• 25:25
  red: I think it's redeemable right like they didn't go fuck a random like it's still
• 25:29
  red: you for all like it's not but it is and so i think it'd be forgivable a little
• 25:36
  red: weird though i bet you're kind of weird for that yeah.
• 25:38
  smirk: It's like a little bizarre because that person is functionally like yes they're
• 25:41
  smirk: an adult but also they're kind of like.
• 25:43
  red: They're like a little baby it's like she's like seven how could you do this
• 25:47
  red: okay sorry that's weird but like dylan really is only like a few years old technically as any but.
• 25:52
  Evan: He also created this other he created
• 25:55
  Evan: his any you know or i guess you could say he accepted the creation of this other
• 26:01
  Evan: person and he could also use it it seems like he's also comes to the understanding
• 26:06
  Evan: that his like audi doesn't have like this confidence in these like aspects of his life that.
• 26:12
  red: He wishes.
• 26:12
  Evan: He had but his innie does.
• 26:14
  red: And so forgetting shit.
• 26:16
  Evan: And not doing you know.
• 26:17
  red: Okay not a deadbeat but like largely not a deadbeat because of his innie yeah,
• 26:23
  red: Dylan's out he really doesn't do anything it seems.
• 26:26
  smirk: Yeah the only time we see him he's like not remembering to do certain.
• 26:30
  red: Things and then you know he's.
• 26:31
  smirk: Like sitting around while the kids are.
• 26:32
  red: Like if i was friends with his wife i'd be like i think you're gonna have to
• 26:36
  red: leave him like that's kind of the kind of stuff i'd be telling her so.
• 26:41
  smirk: Yeah yeah he's not a great partner i think he does want to be and i think he
• 26:46
  smirk: uh i think maybe this is weirdly like the wake-up call he needs to.
• 26:51
  red: Do you think so because the vibe i get from dylan's audi is like this is devastating
• 26:56
  red: and tragic and it is a wake-up call to some extent but he's not going to do
• 27:00
  red: any better like that's the downfall of his audi is like there's all of these
• 27:04
  red: pressures like you've got to do better and like he just doesn't.
• 27:07
  smirk: Yeah i i worry that you're right and you might be i uh i don't know but i'm
• 27:13
  smirk: hope i'm hoping for the best and.
• 27:15
  red: That's why i feel like that's the crux of his character is like his any is good
• 27:19
  red: and his audi just is so like meh that like he exists to be there and make you
• 27:25
  red: challenge that thought sorry evan well.
• 27:27
  Evan: I was saying and it's interesting because like he tries to then again quit like
• 27:30
  Evan: internally he tries to quit but his outies you know won't let him because he
• 27:34
  Evan: probably realizes out he's like the only good thing about him.
• 27:38
  red: About him yeah right isn't that fucked imagine
• 27:41
  red: like because it's you but it's not you like that the any
• 27:44
  red: develops this whole different existence in terms
• 27:47
  red: of a personality and all of that so they have your body it is really sad and
• 27:53
  red: season 10 i think is an interesting like the ending sorry episode 10 the ending
• 27:58
  red: of it is quite literally there to like our and he's whole persons but anyway
• 28:03
  red: i'm getting ahead of myself well we're.
• 28:05
  Evan: Close to that.
• 28:05
  red: Yeah but it is really sad though to
• 28:08
  red: see dylan's out he like struggle in the ways that his any it's like so flawless
• 28:12
  red: and effortless for him um but maybe he does have the self-awareness to do better
• 28:18
  red: because of that like conversation he has with his zinni where he's like you
• 28:22
  red: are good i am bad you have to stay alive because you're good and i'm bad yeah.
• 28:26
  smirk: He needs to know that that possibility exists for him that he could be that
• 28:30
  smirk: person and maybe there's an argument to be made that they're the two halves
• 28:35
  smirk: of dylan the innie and the outie are a really good example of,
• 28:39
  smirk: how environment and your conditions and everything can really set the tone for,
• 28:46
  smirk: what sort of person you're able to
• 28:49
  smirk: be like his and he has very different
• 28:52
  smirk: choices he basically has no choices right like he
• 28:55
  smirk: doesn't you know he doesn't have any real autonomy um
• 28:58
  smirk: but he's there and he gets shit done and his audi i think more than anything
• 29:07
  smirk: he just he he doesn't like he he's failed so often and just floundered so much,
• 29:17
  smirk: that he...
• 29:20
  smirk: Yeah, he needs to have him there, because otherwise it's like,
• 29:23
  smirk: well, no, I could never fucking do anything.
• 29:27
  Evan: Yeah, that's true. And then sort of like, I mean, to get to the last episode,
• 29:32
  Evan: you know, the sort of the final piece of, well, actually, I want to mention
• 29:37
  Evan: one thing that I thought was really funny when Milchick is like calling Mark
• 29:40
  Evan: to try to get him to come to work.
• 29:42
  Evan: And he's like, you know, coming up with first like excuses and he like gives
• 29:45
  Evan: him like the, you know, I've seen a day, you know, kind of thing.
• 29:48
  Evan: and it's like that's a very uh i
• 29:50
  Evan: feel like most people who've worked most jobs
• 29:54
  Evan: could probably relate to you know their boss making like wanting them to come
• 29:57
  Evan: in when it's like they're not supposed to or you know in this case he was supposed
• 30:00
  Evan: to but like on a day off and he's like no i need a day and he's like he actually
• 30:04
  Evan: it's except you know milchuk accepts this because they desperately need him
• 30:09
  Evan: where i think in probably reality it doesn't usually go that way.
• 30:13
  red: No and it's i think
• 30:16
  red: to me it just like i don't think they exist
• 30:19
  red: to be this way but i perceive it
• 30:21
  red: this way that this is just another reason that marks
• 30:25
  red: out he is so like out of touch with reality because what the fuck do you mean
• 30:29
  red: you're just gonna tell your boss like i just can't like i just have to not come
• 30:32
  red: today that's like never like you're making up fake dead relatives before you're
• 30:36
  red: sincerely telling your boss like i just don't want to come to work today like
• 30:40
  red: let's get so you're like literally like
• 30:42
  red: photoshopping like a broken ac unit in your house or the positive line on the
• 30:48
  red: covid test whatever like there's no way you're just gonna tell them it pisses
• 30:52
  red: me off but to be fair i'm just like have such a bad taste about mark right now
• 30:56
  red: that everything he did i'm like so stupid like you should have done this instead yeah.
• 31:01
  smirk: Yeah but point okay oh i just i just wanted to say it was is Devour of Feculents.
• 31:13
  smirk: That was really nice to see.
• 31:15
  smirk: Because Milchak is such a complicated character.
• 31:17
  red: Oh, so complicated. It was good to see him stick up for himself.
• 31:22
  smirk: Yeah.
• 31:23
  Evan: What we were saying, I think, in the last one, is that he's...
• 31:27
  Evan: You know, he is, you know, also sort of brainwashed and brought into this thing
• 31:32
  Evan: where he sort of has no way out now. He's sort of stuck living this.
• 31:37
  Evan: I think he probably has the self-awareness and recognition that some of the
• 31:41
  Evan: things he's doing are probably really fucked up. But he doesn't really.
• 31:46
  Evan: He's convinced himself that it's okay for, like, the greater good,
• 31:50
  Evan: you know, in quotes or whatever. So you feel bad for him.
• 31:54
  red: You do, and then you don't. Like, when he made Miss Huang destroy the toy,
• 31:58
  red: like, that just felt like he was in a bad mood, so he wanted to abuse a child.
• 32:03
  red: And I hated that.
• 32:05
  Evan: Well, it says in the handbook, I think, that you have to, like,
• 32:09
  Evan: make a material sacrifice.
• 32:11
  red: Oh, fuck. So it's not even him again. It's just his general aura is always, like, punishment.
• 32:18
  red: And I just, that's where I felt, like, fall short in my empathy for him. Sorry, go ahead.
• 32:23
  Evan: No, but that's like what, that's what Lumen's entire, you know,
• 32:26
  Evan: severance, you know, handbook really seems to push on.
• 32:29
  Evan: It's, you know, punishment to correct behavior that they need for themselves.
• 32:34
  Evan: And in most jobs, you know, the punishment isn't quite the same as,
• 32:40
  Evan: you know, this is like magnified to an extreme, you know, going into a room
• 32:44
  Evan: and having to repeat mantras into like a,
• 32:47
  Evan: you know, this crazy ass shit. Like, that's not what they're doing at a real job.
• 32:50
  Evan: You know, they might dock your pay or, like, you know, get your overtime.
• 32:54
  red: You may just, like, you know, become homeless, lose your health insurance, you know.
• 32:58
  red: Like, I don't think it's too extreme, quite honestly. Like, I know it's,
• 33:02
  red: like, in a different reality of what happens.
• 33:04
  red: But, like, if you mess up enough at work, like, that could literally be the
• 33:08
  red: difference between you having a home again or not. Like, that's kind of fucking crazy, right?
• 33:13
  smirk: Yeah, very small carrot and very large stick, basically.
• 33:16
  smirk: Because the carrot is survival. and or in their case like a weird sex party
• 33:21
  smirk: thing if they're lucky and then,
• 33:24
  smirk: The stick is, you don't fucking exist anymore.
• 33:27
  Evan: So the end of the last of episode nine is, you know, Devin pretending to be
• 33:33
  Evan: pregnant to get into smuggling.
• 33:35
  Evan: Mark S to, or not Mark S, Mark to the birthing center, which is also super weird.
• 33:41
  Evan: And we get maybe one of the most bizarre, I don't know, 10 minutes of this show, I think,
• 33:52
  Evan: ever, where we have Mark S talking to his Audi through a video camera where
• 33:59
  Evan: he like goes in and out of like the deck at the birthing center.
• 34:03
  Evan: And it's just, you know, it's funny how at the beginning they're like watching
• 34:08
  Evan: the entire clips or like they're longer and then they just come,
• 34:11
  Evan: like they slowly get shorter and shorter.
• 34:13
  Evan: And, you know, Mark S basically tells him to go to also eat shit.
• 34:17
  Evan: Yeah. And that team must have been hard to fill also have to say.
• 34:22
  smirk: Yeah it was really good i i was super excited to see them actually get a chance
• 34:26
  smirk: to like talk to each other you know me.
• 34:28
  red: Too i didn't for like a split second i didn't think it was gonna go as bad as
• 34:33
  red: it did but it pretty quickly like delved into just straight chaos which i'm
• 34:37
  red: not shocked because it's mark so it's both iterations of him which are both unruly and upsetting.
• 34:44
  smirk: It's just i feel like neither of them are really fully grasping the reality
• 34:49
  smirk: of the situation not at all but it's it's more understandable for mark s who
• 34:53
  smirk: is again functioning like a brand new human being it's like a teenager yeah like of course,
• 34:58
  smirk: he is gonna be a little i don't know maybe come across as like petulant or something but,
• 35:04
  smirk: one of the first things he is what happens to us and they just the fact that
• 35:10
  smirk: they don't really have a solid answer for him besides reintegration which like
• 35:14
  smirk: let's be real it's kind of like he's.
• 35:18
  smirk: Being resorbed into this other person like he has every right to be very skeptical
• 35:23
  smirk: of that procedure and what it means for him as a human being and you know a
• 35:29
  smirk: person in his own in his own right like,
• 35:32
  smirk: i think this episode and that
• 35:35
  smirk: conversation really shows that like
• 35:38
  smirk: even everything mark is doing he wasn't really
• 35:41
  smirk: on board with the he wasn't
• 35:45
  smirk: really interested in a lot of this in the reintegration or
• 35:47
  smirk: anything until he found
• 35:51
  smirk: out that his wife was alive and the way he misrepresents his
• 35:54
  smirk: motivations for reintegrating to mark
• 35:57
  smirk: s like even though they've never met you're still
• 36:00
  smirk: very much talking to yourself and i feel like his bullshit detector was going
• 36:03
  smirk: off because like there's no fucking way you're doing this for me
• 36:06
  smirk: because of how i've been treated correct so like
• 36:11
  smirk: the innies spend like hours and days like wondering about their
• 36:14
  smirk: outies and what their lives are like what they do and who
• 36:17
  smirk: or what they love and like mark s in this
• 36:19
  smirk: conversation i think is realizing mark doesn't really do
• 36:23
  smirk: that so much like he's just doesn't really consider him as a person so yeah
• 36:29
  smirk: he's got every right to be pissed and yes like big picture what the hell are
• 36:33
  smirk: you gonna do what's your end game like you're being a little bit like intense and and not fully like.
• 36:42
  smirk: As we see later, like, what is the plan? You know, like, what you want to happen
• 36:46
  smirk: can't possibly, but I get where he's coming from.
• 36:49
  smirk: And yeah, that whole thing really made me hate Mark a lot.
• 36:55
  red: I hate his Audi a lot more than I hate his any, because of how he misrepresents
• 37:01
  red: what's going on. Like, I agree wholeheartedly with that.
• 37:04
  red: I also think that the moment that he called Heli, Helene, I was like,
• 37:08
  red: what the fuck are you even doing?
• 37:10
  red: Now you're just fighting with a version of yourself that's already like high
• 37:14
  red: emotion feels like you're asking him to sacrifice himself for you and he doesn't
• 37:19
  red: really even know you so like i don't know the way that he went about it was too,
• 37:26
  red: the word intense definitely like a correct observation
• 37:29
  red: like way too intense way too much and i also
• 37:33
  red: one thing i really hated about both versions of them is there's never
• 37:36
  red: like a why like his any isn't like why
• 37:39
  red: is this happening and why the fuck did his audi not mention pd
• 37:42
  red: to his any like that wouldn't be important to his any considering
• 37:45
  red: that was his any's best fucking friend like his audi was so bad at doing what
• 37:52
  red: could have been done because he was also being incredibly fucking selfish which
• 37:56
  red: is the issue with mark is like i think you see it reflected so well when he's
• 38:00
  red: having to argue with himself that both versions of himself tend to be like very selfish.
• 38:04
  Evan: I mean, I agree with all that, but to be the stupid devil's advocate,
• 38:08
  Evan: Mark's initial decision to do what he did to become severed came out of losing
• 38:14
  Evan: his wife and being in pain and thinking that this is going to be his way out of this,
• 38:20
  Evan: or who knows what they convinced him this would be like, or what their plan was,
• 38:26
  Evan: how long before they've decided what they were going to do to build this,
• 38:29
  Evan: you know, Cold Harbor or whatever.
• 38:31
  Evan: Can you then not blame him because he's in, I mean, I guess it's now been a couple of years. So he's,
• 38:39
  Evan: Maybe you can't just use grief as a crutch, but he's messed up from all of this.
• 38:46
  Evan: That doesn't take away, though, I think, from the fact that he is a selfish dick.
• 38:50
  red: I don't think he was always selfish. I think that when we see him with Gemma,
• 38:53
  red: he's clearly capable of being in a loving, happy adult relationship,
• 38:57
  red: which requires selflessness.
• 39:00
  red: I think Gemma's death, yes, makes him have all of these piss-poor attributes,
• 39:04
  red: but I just don't feel that bad for him. Um, like maybe it's cruel of me to be so apathetic.
• 39:11
  red: And if these were real people, I'd probably have a lot more of a nuanced take about it.
• 39:16
  red: But like, considering it's a TV show, I want my, I want my brain to go burr
• 39:21
  red: after two seasons of brain not going burr because brain sad because show sad.
• 39:27
  red: so like just one good thing please
• 39:30
  red: and we couldn't even like mark is just he's
• 39:33
  red: so insufferable and there's just
• 39:36
  red: maybe maybe i need to let me
• 39:39
  red: not say that i don't want to jinx myself but maybe i'll never understand
• 39:42
  red: it because i haven't lost a spouse maybe there are people that watch the
• 39:45
  red: show that have felt that grief they're like no i completely get
• 39:47
  red: it because while i was watching it i kind of
• 39:51
  red: sided with his outie more and that i was like panicking on
• 39:54
  red: his behalf like he wants his wife back so badly why
• 39:57
  red: can't we just let this fucking happen even when
• 40:00
  red: i was watching the camcorder stuff i was like i just know this is not going
• 40:04
  red: to end how i expected it to end so i don't know i get what you're saying evan
• 40:08
  red: like you're not even playing devil's advocate like the whole point of the end
• 40:12
  red: of the episode 10 is to humanize the any so and naturally we should also humanize
• 40:17
  red: the outie that the any was born from like.
• 40:20
  smirk: Like none of this is fair like they've been there in impossible situations in,
• 40:26
  smirk: Right. I think you said in the last one that grief is disabling and it's also
• 40:32
  smirk: a very intense pain to lose somebody like that.
• 40:35
  smirk: Like I can't even I can't imagine like and pain also makes people act like assholes.
• 40:43
  smirk: It really it brings out your worst attributes and you lash out and you do things
• 40:48
  smirk: that just don't make any sense.
• 40:49
  smirk: And I think that all of that pain is a lot of what's driving Mark to act the
• 40:54
  smirk: way he does. So, yeah, I do think he's a dick and I hate him a little bit more after this episode.
• 40:59
  smirk: But also, yeah, sure. Like there's I can see, like understand why to an extent.
• 41:04
  red: I can understand, especially because it's not normal grief either.
• 41:08
  red: Like he grieved. He's still grieving and poorly, mind you. Like he should absolutely go to therapy.
• 41:13
  red: Right. But like grieving piss poorly years later, not doing well.
• 41:17
  red: And then all of this was for fucking nothing because his wife is literally just trapped in a basement.
• 41:22
  red: so like that would actually i
• 41:25
  red: think i would lose my mind like really just lock
• 41:28
  red: me up because i can't do this i can't so i
• 41:31
  red: get it i do um and maybe i feel
• 41:34
  red: like i do this a lot on this podcast with this show specifically is i'll
• 41:37
  red: listen back and one minute i'll be like i fucking hate that guy and
• 41:40
  red: then someone will be like yeah but he's a guy and i'm like yeah you know you're
• 41:44
  red: right he is just a guy like i can't i don't know if they're it's such a testament
• 41:50
  red: to the writing of the characters because they are so hard to like hate they're
• 41:55
  red: just so full people and so it's there it's just you have to have a nuanced take.
• 42:00
  Evan: This is like unrelated to mark but just because i want to
• 42:03
  Evan: because we were talking about jame in the previous uh in the previous uh you
• 42:09
  Evan: know episode nine is that when he goes down into the uh downstairs and sees
• 42:15
  Evan: heli he like he likes the severed heli the,
• 42:22
  Evan: severed version of his daughter like referring to
• 42:25
  Evan: her as like having cure in her and like that's a
• 42:28
  Evan: pretty fucked up thing like clearly he does not like
• 42:30
  Evan: he also basically means he doesn't love his children he doesn't
• 42:33
  Evan: love anybody i mean he probably just loves himself and and maybe
• 42:38
  Evan: yeah and heli like the person he's
• 42:40
  Evan: like literally created and then almost feels like this
• 42:43
  Evan: idea that he's goes back to the other one
• 42:46
  Evan: of you know like what was his end goal like is it this religious thing is
• 42:49
  Evan: it just to make money and in some weird way it's
• 42:52
  Evan: like he created like a different version of his daughter that
• 42:55
  Evan: he actually likes more where he's engineered a
• 42:59
  Evan: human that has emotions and characteristics that's different so like he could
• 43:04
  Evan: create in theory an army of people that are more cure in them because you can
• 43:11
  Evan: mold them how you want because they're basically like children and so it's it's
• 43:16
  Evan: i don't know i don't know what i'm getting at or going with but i'm just that.
• 43:19
  smirk: Could be the ultimate idea though like that that could very much be the thing.
• 43:25
  Evan: Oh to like basically create like a to.
• 43:28
  smirk: Create people that are more in line with what they think people should be you
• 43:32
  smirk: know to get people severing and eventually just have the ones that are out and
• 43:38
  smirk: about in the world be the sort of people who are free from the burden of those
• 43:43
  smirk: pesky tempers or whatever the fuck and.
• 43:45
  Evan: This so basically manipulate the people who are now the any is like really the
• 43:52
  Evan: the real world person my you know so,
• 43:56
  Evan: propaganda or right i
• 43:59
  Evan: mean it's it's almost like i know this is going to sound stupid
• 44:02
  Evan: like but what would be the point wouldn't it be better to
• 44:05
  Evan: control your workers but then i guess if you're in the real world like irv like
• 44:14
  Evan: he his audi was you know trying to figure things out like they don't want people
• 44:18
  Evan: to gain class conscious on the outside right it's almost.
• 44:23
  smirk: Like they need two innies or 25 yeah.
• 44:28
  Evan: Where your your audi is like controlled into believing that the world is great
• 44:35
  Evan: and this company lumen is great and then the any that does evil work for an
• 44:38
  Evan: evil corporation whether it's walmart lumen apple tv you know whatever.
• 44:44
  smirk: Okay so what about this so what about you know how people are disconnected from
• 44:49
  smirk: the um from the fruits of their labor and also like the steps of like let's
• 44:55
  smirk: say like manufacturing or something are split up into different,
• 44:58
  smirk: sections so that like people aren't really fully involved with the entire start to finish process,
• 45:05
  smirk: in something like manufacturing like you're the one who pushes the button you're
• 45:08
  smirk: the one who like picks up the thing you're the one who screws the lid on and
• 45:10
  smirk: somebody else is the one who like it's all very segmented so you're not seeing
• 45:16
  smirk: the whole and you're not like fully attached to it,
• 45:20
  smirk: so if this makes sense to kind of apply that to like the human experience of somebody who's severed.
• 45:27
  smirk: Your detachment from like these different segments of your lives
• 45:30
  smirk: let's take something like like let's say somebody was like severed into
• 45:33
  smirk: like multiple situations like you have the you
• 45:36
  smirk: that has to do the shit that like like the you that
• 45:38
  smirk: goes to the dmv the you that goes to the dentist the one that has to
• 45:41
  smirk: take apart the which by the way we'll talk
• 45:44
  smirk: about how fucking cruel and crazy that was with the crib but
• 45:48
  smirk: the you that does all the things that frustrate you
• 45:50
  smirk: and that you know eventually build up into this thing like something
• 45:53
  smirk: is not right here like there's all these like the you that has to
• 45:56
  smirk: go to work and get and get shafted basically
• 45:59
  smirk: and out of like everything that you actually deserve you separate
• 46:03
  smirk: that into a bunch of different people who who don't really have any power and
• 46:07
  smirk: then the one that does is not aware of all this like these tiny like injustices
• 46:10
  smirk: and frustrations and they're very just like chill and plastic like they don't
• 46:15
  smirk: have any connection to the stuff that frustrates them and might motivate them
• 46:19
  smirk: to like i don't know want to change the way things work.
• 46:23
  Evan: Nope, that's it.
• 46:23
  smirk: Does that make sense?
• 46:24
  Evan: No, that's it.
• 46:25
  smirk: Okay.
• 46:25
  Evan: Yeah. No, that, that makes, yeah. I mean, that kind of, I don't know how that
• 46:30
  Evan: then kills Gemma with like the completion, but it does seem like that's what
• 46:35
  Evan: they're trying to create is be able to segment you.
• 46:39
  Evan: Imagine if like you could, you know, as a, you're Audi, you're like,
• 46:42
  Evan: I don't want to have to go to Ikea and like shop for shit or whatever, like build the crib,
• 46:47
  Evan: whatever, like building Ikea furniture can be frustrating like what if you just
• 46:51
  Evan: like didn't have to remember that that existed but then by not remembering you
• 46:55
  Evan: don't realize that there's these you know that ikea has bad labor i don't know
• 47:00
  Evan: like you can't you know you're like separated from these things no i we could
• 47:04
  Evan: just cut it here if we're done,
• 47:09
  Evan: No, I think that's right. I don't know that that's necessarily what they're
• 47:13
  Evan: doing, but it makes perfect sense.
• 47:15
  smirk: But it makes sense. As long as it makes sense. As long as you get what I'm... Yeah.
• 47:18
  red: That's all that matters.
• 47:19
  smirk: Yeah. As long as it makes sense to somebody. Oh, did you guys get a good look at the painting?
• 47:26
  red: Yes. I sobbed. I literally paused it and sobbed because what the fuck?
• 47:32
  Evan: That whole ass episode was like the band playing Milchik in the...
• 47:38
  red: Oh, the band's cunt.
• 47:39
  Evan: Though yeah like the milchek in the bathroom like smashing his way out and then
• 47:44
  Evan: you also have the like goat lady again like there were some like lots of just
• 47:48
  Evan: crazy shit all lauren i think is her name right no emily emily brian.
• 47:54
  smirk: Of tarth that one.
• 47:56
  Evan: Yeah her name was emile.
• 47:58
  smirk: The goat's name.
• 47:58
  red: I thought that goat's name was like a meal.
• 48:00
  Evan: Oh you're right that is that sorry sorry i to the to the actress and I apologize
• 48:05
  Evan: that I referred to you as a goat.
• 48:07
  smirk: So the goat, okay, so is the goat fully just a symbolic gesture?
• 48:11
  smirk: What does the goat have to do with it?
• 48:13
  Evan: That feels super religious, right?
• 48:15
  smirk: It does. It feels very culty and weird.
• 48:18
  Evan: Abraham bringing his son to, you know. But this clearly, she's like sacrificed a lot of goats.
• 48:24
  red: So many, because she's like lost her mind. She's like, this can't be,
• 48:27
  red: I can't keep fucking doing this shit, bro. Just raising goats to go kill him.
• 48:31
  smirk: She's like, how long is this going to go on? As long as it needs to.
• 48:35
  smirk: Fuck you. Hand her a bolt gun and then say that to her, which,
• 48:38
  smirk: by the way, is like one of the most horrifying implements ever.
• 48:43
  Evan: Bolt guns i love i mean you kind of love that uh the uh guy uh what's his name
• 48:50
  Evan: um drummond drummond gets bolt gun you know bolt gun sort of accidentally by
• 48:56
  Evan: mark because he doesn't realize he's holding it in his hand it's.
• 48:59
  smirk: So crazy the way that happens it's just
• 49:02
  smirk: his the look on his face like the absolute pure horror like what
• 49:05
  smirk: the fuck did i just do he wakes up accidentally murdering
• 49:08
  smirk: the guy which totally had the guy had it coming and it
• 49:10
  smirk: worked out fine but like yeah that that made me laugh a little bit which is
• 49:14
  smirk: kind of morbid also when milchick hands dylan the paper it's like i will leave
• 49:20
  smirk: you to read it in solitude because this may i don't know provoke an emotion
• 49:25
  smirk: and then he just fucking books it out of there i i had a pause that i was laughing
• 49:28
  smirk: so fucking hard that had me weak too.
• 49:30
  red: I was like what the fuck very milchick coded.
• 49:33
  smirk: Yeah that was so funny and he was getting into the uh the choreography and merriment
• 49:39
  smirk: too he was very excited to be the director he.
• 49:42
  red: Ate that up y'all he did so.
• 49:43
  smirk: Good like really.
• 49:44
  red: He did so good.
• 49:45
  Evan: Yeah think about how much time it would have required to rehearse that not like
• 49:51
  Evan: for the show but like in the world of the show i just imagine milchik like making
• 49:56
  Evan: these people just rehearse this for you know days months are.
• 50:01
  smirk: They severed they're.
• 50:02
  red: Severed right they allude that they're severed and their whole job is just being
• 50:07
  red: band performers marching band how.
• 50:09
  smirk: Often does that come up really.
• 50:10
  Evan: I was gonna say how often do you need a fucking band to like I don't know every
• 50:15
  Evan: time they kill a goat they like do a little performance.
• 50:19
  red: Play a little ditty oh my god.
• 50:23
  Evan: Well there's like there's like I mean like we there's lots of shit that happens
• 50:27
  Evan: in this last episode I mean it's,
• 50:30
  Evan: there's just i'm looking at like the list and like some of the screenshots
• 50:33
  Evan: that they have on the wiki of just like you know all like
• 50:36
  Evan: when you talk about the conversation they have on the camera and then they
• 50:39
  Evan: obviously go back he goes back to try and you know save his
• 50:42
  Evan: wife and then we have the murder of drummond and you yeah you want to talk about
• 50:47
  Evan: the uh making her take apart the crib like as the final test to not remembering
• 50:54
  Evan: that she's like had however many miscarriages Horribly cruel and.
• 51:01
  smirk: Awful yeah and i'd like how they say she doesn't feel anything she's not but
• 51:07
  smirk: she looks upset like i don't like i don't look.
• 51:11
  red: Unwell as fuck she doesn't.
• 51:12
  smirk: Look like a.
• 51:13
  red: Void list she looks devastated.
• 51:14
  smirk: Yeah she's confused and scared and also she's definitely upset like this is
• 51:18
  smirk: not a chill experience for her but these are people who also very.
• 51:22
  red: Typical of men being like she looks.
• 51:23
  smirk: Fine so it's fine to me and she's like literally.
• 51:26
  red: Looks like she's about to throw up.
• 51:29
  smirk: Yeah they.
• 51:29
  Evan: Couldn't even like do her the curse of giving her like an electric drill to
• 51:33
  Evan: take that thing apart i mean you're put like there's a lot of fucking screws in that thing.
• 51:37
  smirk: Yeah like putting together furniture i don't mind it so much because at least
• 51:41
  smirk: you get something when you're done with it taking apart furniture that fucking
• 51:44
  smirk: sucks that's terrible what a terrible chore just spit it with a hammer put it
• 51:49
  smirk: on crazy jesus christ yeah having to put it on the curb with a free sign and
• 51:54
  smirk: it'll be gone in like two seconds.
• 51:56
  Evan: Yeah. Oh man. Like the, I'm trying to think of some other like ridiculous things
• 52:02
  Evan: that happens. I mean, you also just have what's crazy.
• 52:06
  Evan: So like going back a couple episodes with like the directions to get to the
• 52:10
  Evan: elevator too is also just like Mark like frantically looking at his directions.
• 52:15
  Evan: Like it's a kind of a miracle he got there.
• 52:18
  smirk: I would be so lost. Every hallway looks exactly the same. It's just.
• 52:22
  red: I would just give up. I'd be like, Like, I'm sorry. I couldn't,
• 52:24
  red: I couldn't, Gemma. I couldn't do it for you.
• 52:26
  smirk: Sorry about your wife. The hallways were confusing.
• 52:29
  Evan: I also never mentioned this in other episodes, but I also can't help but think
• 52:35
  Evan: of the little symbol over the elevator as also like the little symbol that's
• 52:40
  Evan: used like in the Palestinian...
• 52:43
  Evan: You know, the little red triangle.
• 52:45
  red: Yeah, the resistance triangle.
• 52:48
  Evan: And in this case, I think it's orange, right? But it obviously has no relation,
• 52:53
  Evan: but I just, when it happened this time, because it's like kind of fucked up
• 52:55
  Evan: and Drummond dies in the elevator too.
• 52:59
  Evan: Not in an act of resistance, I mind you.
• 53:02
  smirk: Him using the tie to open the biometric lock, that was pretty great.
• 53:07
  Evan: Genius.
• 53:09
  smirk: Yeah, that was wicked smart. Yeah, I like that a lot.
• 53:11
  smirk: um but yeah he just he comes it's still so funny he just comes to it's just
• 53:15
  smirk: covered in fucking blood this episode was a lot more violent than i would have
• 53:19
  smirk: uh i assume there would be some violence i didn't expect full-on beat down and um i really loved when.
• 53:26
  red: Mark was like finally there he followed the instructions and i don't know what
• 53:32
  red: the bitch's name he's talking to but he she calls him a fucko,
• 53:36
  red: i really loved the use of like comedic relief in this last episode it was very
• 53:41
  red: sparse but it was like perfect in the places that they added it.
• 53:45
  smirk: Well sarah bernhardt she's uh yeah she's been a comedian for forever and she
• 53:49
  smirk: was like yeah it's like she's always i always like the way she says fuck i just
• 53:53
  smirk: i don't know her voice is is fun to me so yeah i like that too oh like i was
• 53:57
  smirk: waiting for her to use she's.
• 53:58
  Evan: Like the she's not like a nurse.
• 54:00
  red: Kind of is and they're like like back and forth just like kind of wailing at each other like.
• 54:07
  smirk: And he's pointing the gun at the gun at her but it's already not.
• 54:10
  red: Going to hurt her and she's freaking the fuck out oh i love that it was great.
• 54:15
  smirk: Yeah yeah it's really.
• 54:16
  Evan: Good well i thought they're like the more more disturbing than getting like
• 54:21
  Evan: the him like drumming lying there with the you know,
• 54:24
  Evan: blood pouring out of his neck is when they get into the elevator and they have
• 54:27
  Evan: to like push him out of the way to then go up. That actually had me laughing a little bit.
• 54:32
  Evan: But also it's then really creepy. They're in the elevator.
• 54:34
  Evan: Mark's like just soaked in blood and Gemma's, you know, is, you know, so,
• 54:40
  Evan: elated that she's like leaving this place and then like you just absolutely
• 54:45
  Evan: get kicked in the face when you've like the final scene of her, you know.
• 54:51
  Evan: I mean, obviously you probably are listening to this if you haven't.
• 54:54
  Evan: seen this spoiler alerts if you've gotten this far but it's just it's so it's
• 55:01
  Evan: almost predictable but it doesn't make it any less gut-wrenching.
• 55:05
  red: It was so predictable i was like expecting it but i
• 55:08
  red: was still like it's not gonna happen now like
• 55:11
  red: they would never fuck us over so badly but
• 55:14
  red: then there has to be a third season what is a third season if they're not stuck
• 55:18
  red: there the third season pretty much has to be at this point like jimma and devin
• 55:23
  red: spend the rest of their life trying to get them out of that lumen floor i'd
• 55:27
  red: assume so like predictable nonetheless the most,
• 55:33
  red: devastating heartbreaking ending of a season of a tv show i've seen in a long time yeah.
• 55:39
  smirk: It's very much giving like the graduate like they're like on the bus or running
• 55:42
  smirk: down the hallway and like.
• 55:43
  red: Where the fuck are.
• 55:44
  smirk: You gonna go like and the song that was playing i forgot to um.
• 55:49
  Evan: Write down what it was it was um oh.
• 55:51
  red: But.
• 55:53
  smirk: Yeah it was it was very well shot and it was very well done but.
• 55:57
  red: Edited beautifully all of it was
• 56:00
  red: perfect surely it was just really fucking frustrating to bear witness to.
• 56:05
  Evan: Yeah and they and i think the last thing too is both
• 56:08
  Evan: heli are and gemma's last word on
• 56:11
  Evan: the show was both mark like she's pounding
• 56:14
  Evan: on the door like and she's mark and then he turns around and
• 56:17
  Evan: sees hellie coming down and she says you know mark and
• 56:20
  Evan: he's you know it's yeah brutal and
• 56:24
  Evan: i mean you almost have the idea like is mark gonna s be trapped in you know
• 56:30
  Evan: there or how can he then because if he's let go as his audi won't he then just
• 56:40
  Evan: connect with gemma and then at this point.
• 56:43
  smirk: He's killed a guy, right? He's fully murdered a guy.
• 56:48
  Evan: It's like can you be trying to afford law for doing it as an any.
• 56:53
  red: That's the thing right like.
• 56:56
  smirk: I don't think.
• 56:57
  red: They in this society does the government like even really because,
• 57:01
  red: comparing it to like today if there was a corporation doing this I think the
• 57:05
  red: US government would just like turn a blind eye like everybody would be in their
• 57:09
  red: signal chats apparently like did you see this crazy fucking shit but like they
• 57:13
  red: wouldn't regulate it to any capacity like.
• 57:16
  smirk: No because businesses should be able to do what they want to do because.
• 57:20
  red: They're people. So in that, no, I don't think that there's like any law that's
• 57:24
  red: like any scam murder because why would they want to get involved with like regulating a corporation?
• 57:30
  Evan: Well, so what I cut you off though, like you're saying is like he's now trapped,
• 57:33
  Evan: right? Because why would they let him, he's killed someone. Why would they let him go?
• 57:37
  smirk: Yeah, he can't go anywhere. Like I think if anything does come of it,
• 57:40
  smirk: which obviously it's, there's going to be some kind of consequence.
• 57:45
  smirk: If he doesn't, somehow reintegrate
• 57:49
  smirk: while they're like on the run or something because i'm not really
• 57:52
  smirk: clear on that process whether he needs like constant intervention and
• 57:55
  smirk: like ongoing care from that doctor that his sister kind of
• 57:58
  smirk: like shoot away burn yeah like burn that bridge um is he gonna continue if he
• 58:04
  smirk: continues to kind of reintegrate while he's while they're down there like on
• 58:08
  smirk: the run from the people in the same exact fucking building then i don't know
• 58:12
  smirk: but if anything happens it's gonna be good because Lumen disappears and it's not going to be.
• 58:16
  smirk: I don't think the law will have anything to do with it.
• 58:19
  red: They're just going to be stuck on that severed floor, though.
• 58:21
  red: It's like, where are they going? They're just going to live on the severed floor?
• 58:25
  Evan: I mean, the goat lady seems to live there, right?
• 58:28
  red: Well, you're right. Some of them don't leave, it seems.
• 58:32
  smirk: Yeah, maybe they can hide out in the goat place.
• 58:34
  Evan: Yeah, I mean, they're going to kill her, presumably. There could be an uprising.
• 58:38
  red: Maybe, of the ones that are stuck there currently.
• 58:42
  Evan: Well, all of the people who are the musicians kind of slightly rebel, right?
• 58:47
  Evan: I mean, in a way, they're kind of blocking... Well, rebel is probably a too strong of a word.
• 58:53
  smirk: Okay, so there's more than one severed floor on it, obviously,
• 58:56
  smirk: because we know that Gemma is on one of the other ones.
• 58:59
  smirk: But I feel like, okay, so the band is probably on the same one.
• 59:02
  smirk: How do they never hear them practice?
• 59:04
  smirk: I just don't understand. Maybe they're in a soundproof room or something.
• 59:07
  red: For sure, soundproof.
• 59:08
  smirk: Yeah, but they can get to other departments, but they've only been to two others.
• 59:14
  Evan: Well, if they have another floor below where they're working in MDR,
• 59:19
  Evan: they could have more floors, presumably, like a deeper floor.
• 59:24
  smirk: I'm just trying to get a sense of how many people.
• 59:26
  Evan: Oh, God, I don't know. Like, they always made it seem, in my mind,
• 59:30
  Evan: that there was not that many severed people.
• 59:32
  Evan: But now it's almost like there's lots of them, and maybe it's...
• 59:36
  red: It's like there's a lot.
• 59:38
  Evan: The more that they've been testing and doing all these different things,
• 59:41
  Evan: they're now able to use it more or something? I don't know.
• 59:45
  Evan: Why would you sign up as a musician to do that?
• 59:48
  smirk: Maybe they always wanted to learn an instrument, but they didn't want to practice.
• 59:51
  red: Yeah, maybe it goes back to the children's stuff. They're like,
• 59:53
  red: get them as kids. It's like, you want to come to flute lessons,
• 59:56
  red: kid? Congratulations. Now there's a chip in your brain.
• 1:00:02
  Evan: Yeah. It's all messed up. I mean, season three.
• 1:00:06
  red: It's very perplexing. I feel like I was left with a lot to say.
• 1:00:11
  red: And then the more I thought about it, the more I was like, damn,
• 1:00:14
  red: I just kind of don't even know anymore.
• 1:00:17
  Evan: I can't even like predict season three because I don't feel like I even was
• 1:00:22
  Evan: able to predict what was going to happen in season two.
• 1:00:26
  Evan: I mean, it seems like kind of reverse though. Like Gemma is going to be like
• 1:00:30
  Evan: searching to, you know, get Mark out.
• 1:00:32
  red: That's what i think is going to happen i think my
• 1:00:35
  red: only strong prediction of season three is that we
• 1:00:38
  red: didn't see irving doing some kind of possible resistance for
• 1:00:42
  red: no reason i think that there is an existing resistance of
• 1:00:45
  red: severance and lumen and i think that jimma and
• 1:00:49
  red: devon to some extent are going to get sucked up into resisting
• 1:00:53
  red: this um maybe even some kind of like
• 1:00:56
  red: pr thing where they're going on interviews and shit to like talk about the travesties
• 1:01:01
  red: of lumen i don't know it's just like now that jimma is free there's no reality
• 1:01:06
  red: where they can like kind of just pretend this never happened because she could
• 1:01:09
  red: just like go on oprah and be like i was trapped in the basement of a corporation help like they have to.
• 1:01:16
  Evan: Get her back right.
• 1:01:17
  red: They do have to get her back but literally like all she has to do now is run
• 1:01:20
  red: like she just has to turn around and go yeah because devin is outside waiting for her yeah so.
• 1:01:26
  smirk: I'm interested to see how it goes with rickin,
• 1:01:31
  smirk: when jemma's back and after the shock is worn off and she's like chill that a little bit,
• 1:01:37
  smirk: she's gonna find out that he's like gonna start working with loom i think she's
• 1:01:41
  smirk: gonna tear into him a little bit and maybe he'll have some introspection finally
• 1:01:45
  smirk: about how shitty he's being rewriting his book for them.
• 1:01:49
  red: That's actually funny i was going to mention the only other kind of just theory
• 1:01:53
  red: i guess i have for season three is that devon and rickon are possibly going
• 1:01:57
  red: to get divorced like she's going to go back and like fuck you get the fuck out
• 1:02:00
  red: of my house like you're you're sick you're just sick.
• 1:02:02
  smirk: So yeah he sucks.
• 1:02:06
  Evan: Well, in a year or so, we will, you know, we will.
• 1:02:09
  red: We'll know.
• 1:02:10
  Evan: We'll know. But I'm sure they're going to do some crazy shit because it seems like.
• 1:02:17
  smirk: Maybe we'll get more animatronic here. It was like Disney World,
• 1:02:20
  smirk: like that Hall of Presidents.
• 1:02:22
  smirk: That was creepy. I'm excited to see if they have another one for season three.
• 1:02:26
  smirk: If it'll also roast people.
• 1:02:28
  Evan: Yeah. Like, seemed like the first season was lots of these like little bits
• 1:02:32
  Evan: about Kier and how weird it was. And in season two, you actually got to hear
• 1:02:38
  Evan: it from them themselves, you know, like the Jame.
• 1:02:41
  Evan: And then I want to know more about this crazy family.
• 1:02:46
  red: I don't. I really don't. Like, what we have seen so far is too much. It's way too much.
• 1:02:53
  red: Helena's only eating like one egg a day. And for whatever reason,
• 1:02:57
  red: Jame wants her to eat it fucking raw.
• 1:02:59
  red: Like, that just stressed me the fuck out. I feel bad for Heli.
• 1:03:03
  red: I immediately made me think, is her any not starving?
• 1:03:06
  red: Because her Audi is. Yeah.
• 1:03:08
  smirk: She's swimming a lot. She's swimming like laps on laps on. She has to be fucking starving.
• 1:03:14
  red: It's like some serious eating disorder. And I think it's like a part of the cult, right?
• 1:03:17
  red: Like they're restricting the foods you eat and then they're making you work
• 1:03:20
  red: out an insane amount. You're like delirious.
• 1:03:22
  red: You'll accept anything. You'll do anything. You're hungry and you're fucking tired.
• 1:03:27
  Evan: Aren't yeah i mean she's conditioned in a way that's very much seems not good
• 1:03:32
  Evan: for her mental health physical health yeah.
• 1:03:35
  smirk: I'm excited to see what happens i don't know.
• 1:03:38
  Evan: Well we'll see in about in a year or so we'll return for season three jesus
• 1:03:45
  Evan: christ my brain my brain is has been severed from this episode as i've joked
• 1:03:50
  Evan: many times but i don't know any last last parting words on.
• 1:03:54
  smirk: I don't think so.
• 1:03:56
  Evan: I know there's like other like things that happen and little bits here and there
• 1:03:59
  Evan: but i mean i feel like we hit all the i.
• 1:04:03
  red: Would say while dylan said fuck you mr milchick i would just end with fuck you
• 1:04:09
  red: mark yeah seriously eat fucking shit mark.
• 1:04:11
  Evan: There are a lot of unredeemable people in this show just the whole thing like.
• 1:04:17
  red: All of them are irredeemable.
• 1:04:18
  Evan: It's for irving Maybe.
• 1:04:20
  red: Girl Irving is like all we've got going for us.
• 1:04:23
  Evan: He's on a train to nowhere.
• 1:04:26
  red: Yeah, who knows if we even see him again. But I think I mentioned that in one
• 1:04:29
  red: of the podcast episodes that like you have to be either incredibly emotionally
• 1:04:34
  red: stunted or just a piece of shit to be willing to suffer.
• 1:04:37
  red: And maybe it's just like a little bit of both.
• 1:04:41
  red: Like you didn't always have to be a piece of shit, but something along the way
• 1:04:44
  red: just like really robbed you of your soul. Like, I just don't think you are,
• 1:04:48
  red: like, the best person in the world if you're willing to sever anyway.
• 1:04:50
  red: So, I think that's why they're kind of all unlikable and all iterations of themselves.
• 1:04:56
  smirk: Yeah, I think...
• 1:04:59
  smirk: products of the shitty environment but also they're actively choosing to you
• 1:05:04
  smirk: know be part of what makes that shitty by like pioneering this new way to exploit people.
• 1:05:10
  red: It's like the general crux of people in the west right like we are all exploited
• 1:05:14
  red: under capitalism but like,
• 1:05:17
  red: compared to the west of the world we are like complicit in a way that a lot
• 1:05:21
  red: of other nations and their people don't even get an opportunity to be complicit really.
• 1:05:27
  smirk: Says a lot about society.
• 1:05:30
  Evan: Yeah i mean well there's probably too
• 1:05:33
  Evan: much to go into here but you could it'd be
• 1:05:35
  Evan: interesting to almost consider the characters as
• 1:05:39
  Evan: stand-ins for different you know people and
• 1:05:43
  Evan: groups within like our capitalist structure could
• 1:05:47
  Evan: probably spend a whole episode on that but we'll save you all for for now on
• 1:05:51
  Evan: that but uh red it's work pleasure to uh to discuss our trilogy of episodes
• 1:05:57
  Evan: and maybe we'll do something that isn't severed in the future so you can give
• 1:06:02
  Evan: your brains a severance break yeah.
• 1:06:06
  smirk: We'll do like a michael bay joint or something something really.
• 1:06:09
  red: Oh a marvel transformers 63 please the wrath.
• 1:06:14
  Evan: Of con or something.
• 1:06:15
  red: Or one of those fucking car movies they're like still they're like ai-ing the
• 1:06:19
  red: dead guy so they can make those car movies again fast and furious oh my.
• 1:06:24
  smirk: God are they really.
• 1:06:25
  red: I don't know i maybe made that up it just feels like something they're definitely gonna do soon oh.
• 1:06:30
  Evan: No well they are making the 11th one i think it's like a sequel to the 10th one but like.
• 1:06:35
  red: They are actually making a please don't ever invite me for that garbage i sincerely
• 1:06:42
  red: like i can't i'd show up absolutely smashed so yeah.
• 1:06:47
  Evan: It's I think it's called Fast 11.
• 1:06:50
  red: Don't piss me off, Evan. Do not piss me off because.
• 1:06:56
  Evan: And to my listeners, I actually am planning an episode on the very first movie
• 1:07:01
  Evan: with another podcast that's got cars and comrades who talk about cars and our comrades.
• 1:07:08
  Evan: But the first one is actually like a, like the first one is like a decent movie.
• 1:07:13
  Evan: Like after like the third one, they're like, I don't know anymore.
• 1:07:18
  Evan: i haven't seen past watching them so i have no frame of reference but yeah we
• 1:07:23
  Evan: won't we won't do we'll do something more fun than uh.
• 1:07:26
  red: Something a little less daunting, yeah, than the Fast and Furious,
• 1:07:30
  red: the Transformers, any of it.
• 1:07:32
  Evan: You know what movie I just watched today on the airplane that would be an interesting
• 1:07:35
  Evan: one is 10 Things I Hate About You?
• 1:07:38
  red: I've never watched that movie, but I would absolutely watch it for this.
• 1:07:43
  Evan: Yeah, Adriel Stiles, Heath Ledger, you know, R.I.P. And Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
• 1:07:49
  Evan: Like, it doesn't fully hold up, which is interesting.
• 1:07:53
  Evan: well i guess it's not surprising if you if you've seen it before it's uh.
• 1:07:57
  red: I've seen gifs of it enough to know that it doesn't probably hold up that well
• 1:08:02
  red: it was very popular on tumblr and like the 2016 to 2012 era yeah.
• 1:08:08
  Evan: I feel like there's a bunch of memes that were from i can't think of when any
• 1:08:11
  Evan: of them were at the moment maybe it's not.
• 1:08:13
  red: She's like listing the things doesn't she's like she's like in the thing i hate
• 1:08:16
  red: most about you or whatever i don't know for poetry for yeah Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  smirk: For a poetry unit.
• 1:08:21
  Evan: Exactly. There's also like the big scene with Heath Ledger doing like the singing,
• 1:08:26
  Evan: you know, I can't take my eyes off you, the Frankie Valli song.
• 1:08:30
  Evan: Kind of like an iconic scene. Anyway.
• 1:08:31
  smirk: Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  Evan: We'll take this discussion offline.
• 1:08:34
  red: Yeah.
• 1:08:35
  Evan: But thanks everyone for listening and we'll catch you next time.
• 1:08:39
  red: Thank you.