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047 - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S4 E3 · Reality Hits Mat

• Michelle Harris: Welcome back to Reality Hits Matt. I'm your host, Michelle. And I'm Season four, Episode Three, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I know, aren't we? I'm getting Mat: Welcome back to Hits Matt. I'm your host, Michelle. And I'm Matt. episode three of Secret Lives More than Lives. Cruising right along through season four here. Wow. Michelle Harris: more and more excited though, 'cause the further we get along, the more Dancing with the Star stuff we're gonna see. So here we come. Mat: get along the board and then start suffering. jeeze. Okay. All right. Michelle Harris: You wanna give your recap week? I don't really want to, but I will. You don't have to. Mat: Sure. Don't really want to, but I will. yeah, I I'm trying to I was trying to think about it earlier what all happened and all over the place. But mainly it was the guys going to Vanderpump Villa and coming back and all the drama that kind of came from that. at the very beginning of the episode, Taylor flies Ben out, the TikTok guy that sings. Michelle Harris: Mainly it was the guys going to Vanderpunk Villa and coming back and all the drama that kind of came from that. Mhm. at the very beginning of the episode, Taylor flies Ben out, the TikTok guy that sings. Yep. a bunch of the girls came over, I don't think it like Macy, Michaela, mm Layla, Miranda. Miranda. Mat: a bunch of the girls came over. I don't know if it was like Macy, Michaela. Mm-hmm. Layla Miranda. Layla. Michelle Harris: And even to me. okay. Yeah. So they Mat: okay. So they someone said he looked like Dakota. Okay. And then he recently got laid off, so he's been out of work for like Michelle Harris: Someone said he looked like Dakota. Layla did. Okay. And then he recently got laid off, so he's got a workflow. Mat: a month and someone was like, Well that's a red flag like everybody everybody that Michelle Harris: That was Michaela. Yeah. Everybody there. Mat: Taylor dates is like, you know, yeah. Michelle Harris: Walking red flags. Mat: Just kinda depends on her, leeches on her. So yeah. So I thought that was kinda funny. Michelle Harris: Yeah. So yeah. So I thought that was kind of funny. Mat: and then I think while they're there, Macy or Michaela gets a a FaceTime. Or no. The first FaceTime that you talked about was Jen. Zach Yeah, yeah, so yeah, it goes out there. so I guess Zach Face times Jen and that's like kind of the start of where it's like Michelle Harris: I think while they're there, Macy or Michaela gets a a FaceTime. Or no. The first FaceTime that you talked about was Jen. Jen with Whitney, 'cause they're out in LA. Yeah, yeah. So they're not with other girls. so I guess Zach Face times Jen and that's like kind of the start of where it's like Mat: It's crazy, but I can't tell you what's happening. Michelle Harris: crazy but I can't tell you what's happening. Yeah. And then that's like kind of the theme throughout, with all the other dad talk guys. Yeah. And then they come back and, you know, they're telling their stories and I guess the whole thing, Mat: And then that's like kind of the theme throughout, with all the other dad talk guys. And then they come back and, you know, they're telling their stories and I guess the whole thing, you had said that a lot of the stuff hinges around Dakota and like he was hooking up with people, but it wasn't in the Villa episode because of all the drama with him and Taylor and the video and all that. Michelle Harris: You had said that a lot of the stuff hinges around Dakota and like he was hooking up with people but it wasn't in the villa because of all the drama with him and Taylor and the video. The video. Yep. So all the guys I guess are like protecting Dakota. had said that him and Taylor, I guess, are still kind of in this like toxic relationship so It seems like they're both moving on, but then they both want to get upset about everything. Yeah, like they to keep it from Taylor. Mat: So all the guys I guess are like protecting Dakota and you had said that him and Taylor I guess are still kind of in this like toxic relationship so it seems like they're both moving on, but then Yeah, yeah. So like they were trying to keep it from Taylor. So when the girls find out they're even like, yeah, like we shouldn't tell Taylor. Pretty much. Michelle Harris: So when the girls find out they're even like, yeah, like we shouldn't tell Taylor. Pretty much. So Mat: So Michelle Harris: but the whole thing, like it it all seemed like it was Jordan's idea to keep the secrets, even though he actually told Jesse while he was there what was happening. Correct. So Which was so funny. So then it we were like, is he just like trying to make himself look good telling his wife when all the other wives are like are pissed off? Mat: But the whole thing like it it all seemed like it was Jordan's idea to keep the secrets, even though he actually told Jesse while he was there what was happening. So So then it we were like, is he just like trying to make himself look good telling his wife when all the other wives are like pissed off at their husbands, significant others, that nobody's telling them. So Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah. Like, look, all the guys aren't telling their wives. I told you. Like, we can trust one another. Right. So I thought that was really funny. Yeah. That was the whole point of that, it seemed like. And then Taylor goes over to Jesse's house to borrow a dress for the reunion, which is I guess on this next episode that we're gonna get into here today. Mat: Yeah, yeah. Right, right. So I thought that was really funny. Like that was the whole point of that it seemed like. And then Taylor goes over to Jesse's house to borrow a dress for the reunion, which is I guess on this next episode we're gonna get into here today. Michelle Harris: And Jordan like Mat: And Jordan like brings up like, Jesse told me about the guy you met and this and that, but I didn't tell Dakota, don't worry. And like Jesse's like, dude, just leave. Like Just say hi and walk out. Like Taylor's like, why is he Yeah, so then I guess Jesse had told Taylor then that Taylor then tried she goes, Why are you saying that Well yeah, so like she was trying to get it Yeah and like well no Michelle Harris: Up like, Jesse told me about the guy you met and this and that, but I didn't tell Dakota, don't worry. And like Jesse's like, dude, Like, she's like, Why are you and walk out? And even Taylor's like, Why is he bringing this up to me? Like, why I guess Jesse had told Taylor then. Well, Taylor then straight she goes, Why are you saying this? Did he did he have sex with someone? And then he's like, Well no and then like Jesse's like, You can't lie, Yeah, just Mat: Yeah. Jess and then Jesse was like, Yeah, I just have to tell her. So at this point out your ass. Yeah. Like j dude, just say hi and go leave, go to the gym. Like So yeah. And then there was the whole like they were making fun of them 'cause they were like high fiving and shit. I thought that was pretty funny. Like, Dad dog, high five. Yeah. So I mean that's Michelle Harris: Yeah, and then he's she's like at this point since you just spoke out your ass, like I have to s tell her. Just say hi and go yeah, go gym. Yeah. So yeah. And then there was the whole like they were making fun of them 'cause they were like high fiving and shit. I thought that was pretty funny. I thought, bro. So I mean that's Mat: my recap. Michelle Harris: the only other thing is that we do find out, I think you might have said it, but Taylor is the next bachelorette. so, you know, they were going through the practice with that, and that's just like the big news that Taylor's gonna be the bachelorette. So going through the next season, like a couple episodes are gonna be like, Well, hopefully the bachelorette will cleanse Taylor. So if you hear that come up, it was announced this past episode. Mat: Right. Going through the next season, like a couple episodes are gonna be like, well, hopefully the Valgerat will cleanse Taylor. So you're gonna come up it will pass this past easy. Alright. alright. So episode three we start back at Jesse's house with Hold on second. Are do these episodes Michelle Harris: all right. So episode three, we start back at Jesse's house with Jesse's Yeah. Are these episodes? Mat: have like book names or anything, or was that just last season? I haven't heard any this season. I don't know. I mean maybe that that theme was just a theme of last Michelle Harris: If I've been messing up, I think I might be hold on. Mat: last season, I don't know. I mean you can keep going. We can we can get back to this later. Michelle Harris: Hold on, no, hold on. Hold on. Hold there is book names. man. jeez. Mat: Jeez. Michelle Harris: Alright, so to catch everyone up on the book names that I've missed, so sorry. Episode one was the book of taking flight. Episode two was the book of secrets, fitting because the guys wouldn't tell their wives anything. What do we got? Episode three is called the Book of Colors. Which I'll explain why that makes sense. Mat: So to catch everyone up on the book names that I've met. Episode one was the Book of Taking Flight. Okay. was the Book of Secrets. Finning has a guy that's Yeah, the secrets. Yep. Alright, now when we're in episode three, what do we got here? Episode three is The Book of Colors. Okay. Great. I'll explain more than I guess. Okay, I was gonna say this means nothing to me. Kind of upset I asked. Michelle Harris: It will make more sense when we start talking about I'll I'll tell you exactly when what this comes in. So episode three starts back at Jesse's house. We pick up with Jesse telling Taylor that Dakota slept with someone. As Jesse's telling Taylor this, Jordan's saying, I'd just prefer if you call and ask someone else, like trying to like intervene to not have Jesse tell her like he's like trying to say like Taylor, call someone else and they'll tell you Mat: Okay. I'll I'll tell you exactly when please do. Alright, tell us about it. So episode three starts back at Jesse's house. We pick up with Jesse telling Taylor that Dakota slept with someone. As Jesse's telling Taylor that Jordan's saying, I just prefer if you call and ask someone else, like trying like intervene to not have Jesse tell her like he's like Taylor calls someone else and they'll tell you. Michelle Harris: because he doesn't want it coming from them. Mat: Because he doesn't want it coming from them. Michelle Harris: If he gets back to Dakota. Taylor's very emotional. In an interview, Taylor says that they have been over for a few months now, but she did want to be with him. And he did say he wanted a family, but this just shows he will never change. Mat: Right, right, okay. Taylor is very emotional. In an interview, Taylor says that they have been over for a few months now, but she did want to be with him, and he did say he wanted a family, but this just shows he will never change. Right. And then in my head I'm like, Well, you agree to be on the Bachelorette. Right. Like, I'm so confused about Michelle Harris: And then in my head I'm like, Girl, you agree to be on the Bachelorette. Right. Like, I'm so confused about where they stand, like if this is like their path. Right. She's inviting guys to Utah, he's hooking up with people in London. She agrees to be on Mat: Stand like if this is like their path. Right. She's inviting guys to Utah, she's with people in London, she agrees to be on the Michelle Harris: the Bachelorette, but then it's like so detrimental to her that he's never gonna love her. I don't know. It's like so wild Mat: So detrimental her that he's never gonna love her. Michelle Harris: to me, but hey. Jesse isn't sure if this was the right time for her to tell Taylor with the reunion coming up in a couple of days. but she said she couldn't Mat: Jessie isn't sure if this was the right time for her to tell Taylor of the reunion in a couple of days. but she said she couldn't Michelle Harris: lie to her and was like, I needed to tell her in that moment. Taylor says she's mad at herself for letting her be in this position in the first place to get hurt. Taylor ends up like calling Dakota and Jessie's trying to tell her to stop and be like, Taylor, don't do this. Dakota answers the phone and right off the bat she goes, I just wanna know if you enjoyed it Mat: Yeah, yeah. Taylor says she's mad at herself for letting her be in this position in the first place to get hurt. Taylor ends up like calling Dakota and just trying to tell her to stop. Yeah. Dakota answers the phone and right off the bat she goes, I just wanna know if you enjoyed it. Like doesn't say anything crying. Dakota immediately knows what she's doing. Yeah, absolutely. Dakota's like Michelle Harris: Like doesn't say anything else, is crying. Dakota immediately knows what she's talking about. Dakota's like, No, I didn't enjoy it, Taylor. Taylor goes, so you didn't finish then? Dakota says, Yes, I did. And she goes, so you did enjoy it? And I'm like, Are we in high school? Mat: Yes I did and she goes so you did enjoy it and I'm like are we basically Michelle Harris: Like I'm like, my god. I'm like, this just seems so immature, this whole like dialogue. I'm like, Mat: seems so immature this whole like dialogue. Michelle Harris: hang up the fucking phone. Like this is embarrassing for all parties. I'm Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: like secondhand embarrassed watching this. Dakota says he moved on because Taylor pushed him away and points out that Taylor also has a new man that she apparently loves so much. She goes, I never said love. Taylor asks if he likes the girl he fucked, he says no, and then she goes, Mat: Notice as he moved on because Taylor pushed him away and points out that Taylor also has a new man that she apparently loves so much, she goes, I never said love Taylor asks if he likes the girl he fucked, he says no and then she so you just fucked a random hoe on T V, crash, you win. Michelle Harris: so you just fucked a random hoe on T V. Congrats, you win and then hangs up the phone. I'm like Mat: All right then. So now we're going to attacking the female involved when really, like, if you have beef it's with Dakota. And I'm like, and also weren't you known to sleep with him the first time he came over the house? Right. You did exactly what this girl did, so like maybe let's not fully judge like I don't know. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. Michelle Harris: So now we're going to attacking the female involved when really like if you have beef it's with Dakota. And I'm like, and also, weren't you known to sleep with him the first time he came over the house? So like you did exactly what this girl did, so like maybe let's not fully judge like I don't know. I was like that that was taking it to an unnecessary level in my opinion. We go to LA and we're at Jen's house. Jen is probing Zack to spill the tea about what happened at the villa. Zach said that he talked to Marciano and believes him over Demi. He said that he also talked to Hannah and she confirmed that when Demi and Marciano went outside they talked for about six hours. wow. Mat: he talked to Marciano and believes him over Demi. He said that he also talked to Hannah and she confirmed that when Demi and Marciano went outside they talked for about six hours. wow. Jen says she always thought Denis was lying. She says even at the Kumbaya it didn't seem genuine from Denise's side. Okay. Michelle Harris: Jen says she always thought Demi was lying. She says even at the Kumbaya it didn't seem genuine from Demi's side. Okay. Zack is saying that Marciano got so much shit from the group about how terrible he is, but he thinks that Marciano isn't as bad as the group makes him out to be. So I guess Zack spent a lot of time with Marciano and started to see his side of the story with everything. Mat: Zach is saying that Marciano got so much shit from the group about how terrible he is, but he thinks that Marciano isn't as bad as the group makes him out to be. So I guess Zack spent a lot of time with Marciano and started to see his side of the thing. Michelle Harris: he even points out that Jesse kept talking with Marciano even after Jordan found out Mat: He even points out that Jesse kept talking with Marciano even after Jordan found out. And so in his opinion, it wasn't really Marciano's fault they kept talking, it was Jesse reaching out. Right, right. The blame should be put on Jesse, not Marciano. Yeah. And at that point I did agree with him where I'm like, this man was just Michelle Harris: And so in his opinion, it wasn't really Marciano's fault they kept talking, it was Jesse reaching out. So really the blame should be put on Jesse, not Marciano. And at that point I did agree with him where I'm like, This man was just Yes, was she a married woman? Absolutely. Was that not okay? Yes, you knew that she was married, you met her husband. But Jesse's the one that's fucking up her relationship. Mat: Yes, was she a married woman? Absolutely. Was that not okay? Yes, you knew that she was married, you met her husband. But Jesse's the one that's fucking up her relationship. Right, right. So like yes, he played a part and he needs own upset, but I think he already has. Yeah. No, I think Michelle Harris: So like, yes, he played a part and he needs to own up to that, but I think he already has. Yeah. No Mat: so too, right. Zack and Jen are both very interested to see what happens at the reunion. Zack then does tell Jen about Dakota having sex with Michelle Harris: Zack and Jen are both very interested to see what happens at the reunion. Zach then does tell Jen about Dakota having sex with one of the girls at the villa. Zach said the next morning he seemed really happy and Jen's like, Yeah, that's cause he was clapping cheeks with the girl And it's like, my god Mat: At the villa, Zach said the next morning he seemed really happy, and Jen's like, Yeah, that's because he was clapping cheeks with the girl. Michelle Harris: Zach ultimately expresses how happy he is that he's married and doesn't have to live the single life and go through all this drama. And then Jen in an interview goes, He got the best of the best with like a big smile and I'm like, I don't know if I would describe your relationship as the best of the best, but sure. Mat: Zach ultimately expresses how happy he is that he's married and doesn't have to live this single life and go through all this drama. And then Jenna in an interview goes, He got the best of the best with like a big I don't know if I would describe your relationship as the best of the best, I'm sure. We're back at Salt Lake and Demi and Brett are driving in the car doing vocal warmups. Okay. So Michelle Harris: We're back at Salt Lake and Demi and Brett are driving in the car doing vocal warm-ups. Okay. So this next scene with them is why this show is called the Book of Colors. Mat: This next scene with that is why this show is called the Book of Colors. Michelle Harris: Because when they go to the recording studio that they're headed to, they start singing True Colors, which is a song. Like I see your true colors you know song Mat: studio that they're headed to they start singing true colors. Okay. Michelle Harris: Shinder. No. Okay. It's not Runner, but Okay. Well, they started singing that song, so that's why it's Mat: It's not ringing a bell. Well they started singing that song, so that's why it's Michelle Harris: called The Book of Colors. They cut to the producers asking the empty couch why she's at a recording studio today and it's just crickets again. They're in so I did a little Mat: They cut to the producers asking the empty couch why she's at a recording studio today and it's just crickets again. They're in so I did a little Michelle Harris: research during this, like I pause it. Brett's father is the owner of a record label. Mat: Okay. So this is probably how they got this hookup to go to said recording studio. I'm assuming he knows people who knows people, so knows people in this industry that would put up with this. But they get into this booth and Brett starts singing True Colors, and Demise says that he sounds a little flat and it's night and day from when she heard it in the car. Michelle Harris: So this is probably how they got this hookup to go to said recording studio. I'm assuming he knows people who knows people, so he knows people in this industry that would put up with this. But they get into this booth and Brett starts singing True Colors and Demi it says that he sounds a little flat and it's night and day from when she heard it in the car. Mat: It keeps cutting to Michelle Harris: It keeps cutting to like Demi giving Brett a lot of notes. A little too breathy, needs pulled back. Meanwhile, Demi's not doing the best either. Okay. And they're trying to like harmonize and I'm Mat: Too breathy and it's pulled back. Meanwhile, Demi's not doing the best either. Okay. And they're trying to like harmonize, and I'm Michelle Harris: like, my God. At one point, they flash to the producer and it just seems like, A, he's like trying not to laugh. And B, he's like, I'm so fucking done with this. At the end of it, he's like, I think we got some really good takes here and then is like, I think we can call it Mat: At one point they flash to the producer and it just seems like A, he's like trying not to laugh. At the end of it, he's like, I think we got some really good takes here and then it's like, I think can call it Michelle Harris: And they were just done. And then when they get back in the car, Damigo's like, we should do that more often. That was so much fun. It was not good. It was not good. I'm like, What and what are we recording this for? Mat: and they were just done. And then the car to me goes like, we should do that more often. That was so much fun. It was not good. Interesting. Okay. Yeah Michelle Harris: Some Christmas special? Like came out of nowhere, going. She said that she's trying to start a new career path. Yeah, because she seemed to be out with mom talking This is her backup. This is her backup. Mat: So this just came out of nowhere, they just this just like we're going she said that she was trying to start a new career path. Yeah, 'cause she's soon to be out of mom talk and this is her backup secret lives. Okay, yeah, I guess yeah, you gotta have a backup plan, sure. Which I will say she's many to come that try a career in singing from this mom talk group. Okay. Miranda's next and she was probably the most successful. Okay. And then Jen Michelle Harris: Which I will say she's the first in many to come that try a career in singing from this mom top group. Miranda's next and she was probably the most successful. Okay. And then Jen takes a stab at it. So we'll see that in season five. So something to look forward to. Mat: god. So we'll see that in season five. okay. Great. can't wait. Can't wait. And drama between Demi and Jenna is 'cause Demi thought Michelle Harris: And the drama between Demi and Jen is 'cause Demi's not in season five, so I'll just say this, is like she's like, Well, I'm the one that started that, so Jen just really keeps wanting to do everything that I do. And there's like other examples of it of them like Which like may be fair, but yeah. So back in the car, Demi asked Brett how he feels about the reunion and Brett says that he's excited to defend Demi. Mat: My god. Yeah. Which like may be fair, but yeah. So back in the car, Demi asks Brett how he feels about the reunion, and Brett says that he's excited to defend Demi. Okay. It cuts to wish. Michelle Harris: It cuts to Whitney telling to me about Zack's combo with Marciano in the villa and how Marciano said so what we didn't see last episode during that FaceTime with Zack and Jen when Whitney was there was that Zack does tell Jen about his interactions with Marciano and how Marciano is doubling down on the fact that they kissed and then Zack said and more like they did more. I think that refers to the I love you on camera 'cause that's all we saw at the villa was like him saying like Mat: So what we didn't see last episode during that FaceTime with Zack and Jen when Whitney was there was that Zach does tell Jen about his interactions with Marciano. Okay. And how Marciano is doubling down on the fact that they kissed. And then Zack said and more. Okay. Right. I think that refers to the I love you on camera because that's what I saw at the villa with him saying they said Michelle Harris: They said I love you but I don't know if it's insinuating more physical actions. Mat: I love you, but I don't know if it's insinuating more physical actions. Michelle Harris: So it cuts to Whitney telling Demi on a separate call about Zach's convo Marciano at the villa and how Marciano said more happened between Demi and him. Demi thinks it's crazy that it just keeps growing and keeps changing as to what happened. And she doesn't understand why Jen keeps going on podcasts and running her mouth. It cuts to a clip of Jen on the Vile file. So Nick Vial was the host of the season three reunion. season two reunion, sorry. and Mat: So it cuts to Whitney telling Denis on a separate call about Zach's combo of Marciano at the villa and how Marciano said more happened between Denis and him. Denis thinks it's crazy that it just keeps growing and keeps changing as to what happened, and she doesn't understand why Jen keeps going on podcasts and running her mouth. It cuts to a clip of Jen on the Bile file. So Nick Vial was the host of the season three reunion. Okay. season two reunion. Season two, okay. and Michelle Harris: Her and Zach are saying that while they were at Vanderpump, Demi was in her room crying for hours because she felt like she cheated on Brett and she was sitting on Marciona's lap and kissing him. So Demi is like, A, they never saw any of that. That never happened. Why do they keep going on podcasts and they keep like changing the story and adding more more onto it? Like the whole sitting on the lap that's never come up till now. Like why are they saying that? Mat: Zach are saying that while they were at Vanderpom, Demi was in her room crying for hours because she felt like she cheated on Brett and she was sitting on Marciona's lap and kissing him. Okay. So Demi is like, A, they never saw any of that, that never happened. Why did they keep going on podcasts and they keep like changing the story and adding more more onto it? Yeah. The whole sitting on the lap that's never come up till now. Like why are they saying that? Demi and Brett are like coming for Zack and Jen. Like they are like ready to go at it at the reunion and I think vice versa with Jen and Zack, like they're ready to like defend their position. Right. So it's like Jen and Zack versus Demi and Brett. Michelle Harris: Demi and Brett are like coming for Zack and Jen. Like they are like ready to go at it at the reunion and I think vice versa with Jen and Zack, like they're ready to like defend their position. So it's like Jen and Zack versus Demi and Brett. Like that's the two couples fighting. Brett thinks that Zack enables Jen and Demi thinks that Jen is defaming her. Mat: Thinks that Zack enables Jen, and Denise thinks that Jen is defaming her. We go to Macy's house. Macy is like getting ready for her book tour, so she's signing the little stickers that she's gonna put in her book for the signed autograph copies. Macy says that the guys have been commenting on her posts about how London Jacob is better than Utah Jacob. Michelle Harris: We go to Macy's house. Macy is like getting ready for her book tour, so she's signing the little stickers that she's gonna put in her book for the signed autograph copies. Macy says that the guys have been commenting on her posts about how London Jacob is better than Utah Jacob. Mat: And Macy is like wondering what the difference is and why they keep saying that. Right. She's like just really annoyed by all of this. Yeah. Okay. Michelle Harris: And Macy is like wondering what the difference is and why they keep saying that. And she's like just really annoyed by all of this at this point. Okay. Mat: Macy's wearing a mom talk shirt, so Jacob leaves to go get his dad talk hat. All right. At some point Macy goes, Remember who's boss and like points to her shirt, like remember who started this Yeah yeah. wait, wait. Michelle Harris: Macy's wearing a mom talk shirt. So Jacob leaves to go get his dad talk hat. Cause at one point Macy goes, Remember who's boss? And like points to her shirt, like, remember who started this and he was like, wait, wait, wait. He puts it he puts on the hat and Macy just goes, You look like Jordan 'cause he wears that hat all the time. Like, that's disgusting. Mat: Ha ha ha ha. Michelle Harris: At that point, Jacob starts telling Macy about how he got along with Chase while he was in London and Macy was kinda surprised by that because Jacob up until two weeks ago thought Chase was like the scum of the earth. Jacob agrees but in an interview says he needs more bro time. Mat: Well he was in London and Macy was kinda surprised by that because Jacob up until two weeks ago thought Chase was like the scum of the urge. Okay. Jacob agrees but in an interview says he needs more bro time. Michelle Harris: Macy is happy that Jacob had a good time, but he she's not sure if Dad talk is the right group of friends for him to be around. Which I don't disagree. Like this side of Jacob Mat: Jacob had a good time but he she's not sure if Dad talk is the right group of friends for him to be with Which I don't disagree, like this side of Jacob, like he hasn't said much in the series up until now. Yeah. And the more he talks the more I'm like, I don't like I Michelle Harris: Like he hasn't said much in the series up until now. Yeah. And the more he talks, the more I'm like, I don't like I going to your wife and saying that my bros are more important. I need to like have more bro time so I can like bond with them. No like no, your w your wife should be your best friend. And that Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: should be your number one priority. And this is bro time. Mat: He needs his bro time. Michelle Harris: And he's basically saying, like, fuck Macy. I don't care. Mat: I don't care. Michelle Harris: And it's like where did this become like not a unit between you two? 'Cause like you've always seen like the strongest couple. And now like you're just slipping into the falls Mat: Yeah. Right. And now like you're just slipping into the falls of Michelle Harris: of like Jordan and Dakota and like bros first. Like, I don't Mat: Yeah. Yeah. Great guys. Michelle Harris: Gives me the ick, as Macy would say. So I will say this whole episode is kind of like catching up where people are right before the y reunion. Kind of get like a sense of like where everyone is in like their relationship. So it's like very quick blips with everyone. So that's why you saw like Mat: So I will say this whole episode is kind of like catching up where people are right before the reunion. Okay. Kind of get like a sense of like where everyone is and like their relationship. So it's like very quick blips with everyone. Okay. So that's why you saw like Michelle Harris: Jacob really wants to be with the bros and like Macy isn't feeling it and then, Mat: Jumping all around the be with the gross. Yeah. Ain't he isn't feeling it and then Michelle Harris: you know, Brett and Demi or Mada Jenna. So like it's building all these like tensions and relationships ahead of the quick reunion that part that they show. So we're at a park with Miranda, Chase, Layla, and Mason. Mat: or Mad at Janet so like it's building all these like tensions and relationships ahead of the quick reunion that part that they do. Okay. So we're at a park with Miranda, Chase, Layla, and Mason. Michelle Harris: Chase says he wants to have a combo with Macy to bury the hatchet. Mat: Chase says he wants to have a combo with Macy to bury the hatchet. So apparently, and this went so quick that I was trying to follow. So apparently there's been like three years of history with Macy and Chase. To where it started with Macy responding to Chase's stories about his daughter, saying, like, how cute, to Chase inviting Macy and Jacob to a cabin with like a bunch of like six other couples. Michelle Harris: So apparently and this went so quick that I was trying to follow. So apparently there's been like three years of history with Macy and Chase. To where it started with Macy responding to Chase's stories about his daughter, saying, like, how cute to Chase inviting Macy and Jacob to a cabin with like a bunch of like six other couples, Mat: Okay. And so this was before the swinging scandal broke. Okay. Michelle Harris: including Taylor. And so this was before the swinging scandal broke. Mat: They show screenshots of the DMs in question, and Macy had responded to a few stories, and then Chase did invite her to the cabin with Jacob and a few others, and Macy said that she will see if they can swing it. And then Macy in an interview laughs and says, Did I give the wrong impression right off the bat? Michelle Harris: They show screenshots of the DMs in question and Macy had responded to a few stories and then Chase did invite her to the cabin with Jacob and a few others and Macy said that she will see if they can swing it. And then Macy in an interview laughs and says, Did I give the wrong impression right off the bat? And that's why this is all coming up years later. but I guess there was some Mat: That's so Michelle Harris: I don't know if you want to call it drama or misunderstanding where Mat: standing where Chase was like saying, you know, some couples are gonna be drinking. I don't know where you stand on that, but not everyone's drinking, so like come if you feel comfortable. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Chase was like saying, you know, some couples are gonna be drinking. I don't know where you stand on that, but not everyone's drinking. So like come if you feel comfortable. Mat: And then Macy was like, have fun, we'll see if we can swing it and then I guess Taylor was like not comfortable because Macy and Jacob didn't drink, so she didn't want to feel judged. Okay. jeeze And so there was all this drama where Michelle Harris: And then Macy was like, how fun, we'll see if we can swing it And then I guess Taylor was like not comfortable because Macy and Jacob didn't drink, so she didn't want to feel judged. So then Miranda uninvited them from the cabin. And so there was all this drama where it's like, Was it a swinging thing? Was it not? And like i it wasn't that like it seemed like a big deal between all of them, but I guess there's just some like confusion between all that. Mat: Was it a swinging thing? Was it not? Right. it wasn't that like it seemed like a big deal between all of them, but I guess there's just some like confusion between all. Yeah, okay. I didn't really know how that played into like really Macy's hatred towards Chase because I think that comes from after the fact on his podcast, everything he said about like women Michelle Harris: I didn't really know how that played into like really Macy's hatred towards Chase because I think that comes from after the fact on his podcast, everything he said about like women and her friends. Mat: and Michelle Harris: Miranda says that Jacob and Macy spun it and told people that they were putting feelers out for swinging. And I guess Taylor said she was uncomfortable with them going because Macy and Jordan didn't drink. Macy said she took that as being uninvited. Mat: Miranda says that Jacob and Macy spun it and told people that they were putting feelers out for swinging. And I guess Taylor said she was uncomfortable with them going because Macy and Jordan didn't drink. Macy said she took that as being uninvited. Right. Back at Macy's house, Jordan suggests that they go to lunch with Chase. So it seems like Chase and Jordan probably had a conversation and Chase requested having a meeting with Macy. Michelle Harris: Back at Macy's house, Jordan suggests that they go to lunch with Chase. So it seems like Chase and Jordan probably had conversation and Chase requested having a meeting with Macy. Mat: Okay. Macy says she doesn't want to have a conversation point blank. She's like, I'm not interested in in this at all. Macy thinks Chase's actions online have been demeaning a disrespectful woman, including her friends, and she wants nothing to with that. And that's where they leave that offering. Michelle Harris: Macy says she doesn't want to have a conversation point blank. She's like, I'm not interested in in this at all. acy thinks Chase's actions online have been demeaning and disrespectful woman, including her friends, and she wants nothing to do with that. And that's where they leave that off for now. Mat: Okay. I'm trying to fall along here. This is a lot. It's like it bounces really quick and forth. Yeah. it's a lot, but Michelle Harris: It's there's a lot. It's like it bounces really quick back and forth. it's a lot, but that will come back up later 'cause they do end up meeting up together. so you do see the conversation between Macy and Chase happen. Okay. All right. Mat: That will come back up later because they do end up meeting up together. Okay. So you do see the conversation between Macy and Chase Haven. Okay. All right. We go to Salt Lake City and Taylor is having like a breast augmentation ahead of her bachelorette journey because she's gonna be in dresses, so she wants to feel good in them. Okay. So apparently a couple years prior, she had another Michelle Harris: We go to Salt Lake City and Taylor is having like a breast augmentation ahead of her bachelorette journey because she's gonna be in dresses so she wants to feel good in them. So apparently a couple years prior she had another breast augmentation. Now she's getting it fixed after having a kid. So I it just like seemed random 'cause I hadn't brought it up until seeing her go into the operating room. Mat: augmentation, now she's getting it fixed after having a kid. So I it just like seemed random 'cause I hadn't brought it up until seeing her go into the operating room. Right, right. Okay. When she comes out of surgery, Taylor's crying and her mom's there and she's like, What what's going on? What's wrong? And Taylor just says she's sad. The nurse says like, it's the drugs that are getting to her and she goes, No, this is just my life. jeez. Her mom is trying to like encourage her, saying things are getting much better. Michelle Harris: When she comes out of surgery, Taylor's crying and her mom's there and she's like, What what's going on? What's wrong? And Taylor just says she's sad. The nurse says, like, it's the drugs that are getting to her and she goes, No, this is just my life. Her mom is trying to like encourage her, saying things are getting much better and Taylor's just going on and on about how Dakota never loved her. And I'm like, I f feel like this could have been left out. But Mat: Right, right. And I guess it shows her mental state, but like my god, like it is so deeply rooted that she's so stuck on him. Yeah. Right. Like you're literally getting your boobs done to go in the bachelorette and you're crying. I feel like that should have been the red flag number one do the bachelor's. Right, right. Michelle Harris: mean, I guess it shows her mental state, but like I'm like, my god, like it is so deeply rooted that she's so stuck on him no matter what. Right. I'm like, you're literally getting your boobs done to go in the bachelorette and you're crying about him. I feel like that should have like red flag number one to not do the bachelorette. We go to Whitney's house in LA and Jen is coming over for a bit. Jen says the dancing with the stars experience is already super intense and that they're doing five hours of dancing a day. Jen asked Whitney, if Whitney will stay in California regardless of what happens on Dancing with the Stars, and Whitney says she has no plans to get voted off, but yes, she does plan on staying in California for a while. Mat: We go to Whitney's house in LA and Jen is coming over for a bit. Jen says the dancing with the stars experience is already super intense and that they're doing five hours of dancing a day. wow. Okay. Jen asked Whitney, if Whitney will stay in California regardless of what happens on Dancing with the Stars, and Whitney says she has no plans to get voted off, but you know she does plan on staying in California a while. Michelle Harris: Jen is kind of still probing Whitney at this point and she asked Whitney if she thinks Demi will be cordial at the reunion. Whitney says yes, she does think that and she thinks that Demi wants to make things right with everyone. Jen says, well then I think it's interesting that she reached out to everyone but her. Mat: Jen is kind of still probing Whitney at this point, and she asked Whitney if she thinks Demi will be cordial at the reunion. Whitney says, yes, she does think that, and she thinks that Demi wants to make things right with everyone. Jen says, Well, then I think it's interesting that she reached out to everyone but her. Okay. Well, whit and then Whitney responds, Well, do you even want her to reach out to you? Which I think is fair because Jen has kind of made it pretty clear she Michelle Harris: Well whit and then Whitney responds, Well, do you even want her to reach out to you? Which I think is fair because Jen has kinda made it pretty clear she Mat: She Michelle Harris: wants nothing to do with to me. Right, right. Jen says she just wants a genuine apology and she doesn't think that she's gotten that from her. Mat: wants nothing to do with Demi. Right, right. Jen says she just wants a genuine apology and she doesn't that she's gotten that from her. Jen says Demi hates her and always has. She brings up the Mormon combo from season one. Right. When Demi called Jen to Mormon and brings it up in conversation a lot, brings up the garments. Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: Jen says Demi hates her and always has. She brings up the Two Mormon combo from season one, when Demi called Jen two Mormon and brings it up in conversation a lot, brings up the garments, etc. Whitney says she doesn't think Demi hates Jen. And she says that there has to be a point where they all move on from this. They both can be right and both of their feelings can be valid, but they have to accept that and they haven't accepted it. And Whitney makes a good point that like they've already said sorry for that stuff, but then Jen keeps bringing it up. So it just keeps going back to square one with mom talk. Like they're never gonna be move moving on if Jen keeps bringing it back to the one thing that to me did that pissed her off. So it's like how do you move on from that? Like you're not gonna accept her apology. Mat: They both can be right and both of their feelings can be valid, but they have to accept that and they haven't accepted it. And Whitney makes a good point that like they've already said sorry for that stuff, but then Jen keeps bringing it up. right. Like they're never gonna be move moving on if Jen keeps bringing it back to the one thing that to me did that pissed her off. Right, right. Yeah, you're never gonna get over it. You can't not gonna accept her apology. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Jen says she wants mom talk to be a safe place for everyone and it's not a safe place for her when Demi is there. She says that she trusts vibes over words and she hasn't got a sincerity from Demi ever. Mat: Jen says she wants mom talk to be a safe place for everyone and it's not a safe place for her when Denis is there. She says that she trusts vibes over words and she hasn't gotten sincerity from Denis ever. Michelle Harris: We go to back to Utah, so it's like constantly switching between LA and Utah because of dancing with the SARS. Jesse, Macy, Layla, Miranda, and Jen go out for lunch together. Jesse wants to talk to the girls about Demi and how she is not being the same person on camera that she is off camera. Mat: go to back to Utah, so it's like constantly switching between LA and Utah. Okay. Yeah. Jesse, Macy, Layla, Miranda, and Jen go out for lunch together. Jesse wants to talk to the girls about Denise and how she's not being the same person on camera that she is off camera. right, Michelle Harris: Jesse tells the girls how Demi off camera admitted to a lot during the session with Gabby, but it was not the same on camera. Mat: Jesse tells the girls how Demi off camera admitted to a lot during the session with Gabby, but it was not the same on camera. Okay. Gabby the the psychic yeah, the psychic healer. Michelle Harris: Gabby, the the psychic healer. Mat: She can see the drama coming. She tells the girls that Gabby and Denise had a lot of one on one sessions in the past. Michelle Harris: She tells the girls that Gabby and Demi had a lot of one on one sessions in the past. So Gabby knows a couple of things about Demi and she said during the session she kept mentioning patterns to Demi and how this seemed like part of the pattern. She tells the girls how Gabby said that the Marciano stuff, because I guess at that point Demi is like, You can say it, like w say it. Like she's like, What pattern? Say it. So Gabby says that the Marciano stuff seems like a pattern of emotional cheating. And how Demi said that there were patterns in the past with emotional cheating, but this wasn't the same. Mat: So Gabby knows a couple of things about Denise and she said during the session she kept mentioning patterns to Denise and how this seemed like part of the pattern. okay. Tells the girls how Gabby said that the Marciano stuff, because I guess at that point Denise, like, You can say it, like say it. Like she's like, What pattern? Say it. So Gabby says that the Marciana stuff seems like a pattern of emotional cheating. okay. All right. At this point all the girls are like, What the fuck? Like but not Marciano. Right, right. I don't know, I'm with Gabby. Yeah, like what? Gabby Gabby knows it all. And Jen goes Michelle Harris: At this point all the girls are like, What the fuck? Like she admitted in the past emotional cheating but but not Marciano. Right, right. I don't know, I'm with Gabby. Yeah, like what? And so all the girls are like and Jen goes, but I'm I'm the pathological liar And Jesse goes, Exactly And so they're definitely giving Jen the ammo that she kinda needs but I think at the same time they probably need to like simmer Jen down a little bit. Mat: Yeah. At the same time they probably need to like simmergency. Right, right. And I also think it's weird Michelle Harris: And I also think it's weird was trying to go back and remember like why is this so important to Jen? Yeah. Why is her taking down Demi, Mat: Why is this so important to Jen? Yeah. Why is her taking it down to me? Michelle Harris: regardless of how wrong Demi is, this isn't in my opinion, her fight to to fight. Like Mat: This isn't in my opinion, her fight to to fight. Like Michelle Harris: Yes, she was at the villa. Yes, she experienced stuff. Yes, you can say whatever you experience, but why is she so gun ho about like you're lying? Right, right. Just don't be friends with her and move on. Yeah. But like she's so happy when things come out. Whereas I'm like, that should be Jessie's Yeah. Like business. And that should be Mat: she was at the villa. Yes, she experienced stuff. Yes, you can say whatever you experience, but why is she so gun ho about like you're lying? Right, right. Just don't be friends with her and move on. Yeah. But like she's so happy when things come out. Whereas I'm like, that should be Jesse's Yeah. Like business. And that should be Michelle Harris: it just seems weird that she's like, just because she doesn't like to meet and just because to me Mat: It just seems weird that she's like just because she doesn't like Demi and just because Demi, you know, made called her too Mormon, yes, that's rude and like unacceptable. Okay, then don't be her friend. And just don't put her Right, right. I don't know, sorry. it just hit me that I'm like, why is she so invested in this at all? Michelle Harris: you know, made called her too Mormon. Yes, that's rude and like unacceptable. Okay, then don't be your friend. Then just don't be her friend. Right, right. I don't know. Sorry. it just hit me that I'm like, why is she so invested in this at all? Jen in an interview says that Demi is very good at manipulating people. Jen thinks hearing this from Jesse just confirms that she's been right this whole time. Layla says that Demi is trying to save her image and she doesn't care about the friendships. The girls don't think that they can trust Demi or anything. She says they're gonna see how the reunion goes and if she's genuine during the reunion, then they can go from there because they're like, What are we gonna do? She's like technically back in mom talk. Like what do how do we handle Mat: Layla says that Denise's trying to save her image and she doesn't care about the friendships. Okay. The girls don't think that they can trust Denise or anything. She says they're gonna see how the reunion goes and if she's genuine during the reunion that they know when they're like what are we gonna do? She's like technically back in Momtal. Right. Michelle Harris: this? We go to the meeting with Macy, Chase, and Jacob and Macy decides to bring Michaela. Macy says that she's very reluctant to do so, but she's doing this for Jacob, so he feels more comfortable with hanging out with the guys. She's like if that's what it takes for him to feel comfortable hanging out with them, I'll Mat: We go to the meeting with Macy, Chase, and Jacob and Macy decides to bring Michaela. Okay. Macy says that she's very reluctant to do so, but she's doing this for Jacob, so he feels more comfortable with hanging out with the guy. She's like if that's what it takes for him to feel comfortable with Michelle Harris: meet I'll meet up with him. Macy says she's bringing Michaela because whatever issues Chase has with Macy, he's gonna have with Michaela as well. So why not kill two birds with one stone? Because he's just gonna have to have the same conversation with Michaela anyways. Chase thanks the girls for coming and says he knows that this is a little awkward and Michaela goes, Why? Because you've been talking shit about us for years? Mat: Macy says she's bringing Michaela because whatever issues Chase has with Macy, he's gonna have with Mikaela as well, so why not kill two birds with one stone? Because he's just gonna have to have the same conversation with Mikaela anyway. Right. Chase thanks the girls for coming and says he knows that this is a little awkward. And Michaela goes, Why? Because you've been talking shit about us for years. Chase thinks that it's not just one sided, and Macy goes, Michelle Harris: Chase thinks that it's not just one-sided and Macy goes, I've never talked shit about you online. Offline, yes, but not online. Chase does apologize for the stuff that he said on the podcast, and then Jacob jumps in and says he was doing it for the cliques. And the look that Macy gives Jacob is daggers. Mat: Chase does apologize for the stuff that he said on the podcast, and then Jacob jumps in and says he was doing it for the clicks. And the look that Macy gives Jacob is death. Like, I am talking to this man. Don't come in and try to Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: Like I am talking to this man. Don't come in and try to defend him. Like just fucking sit. I'm like, why even fucking say anything? Just sit there. Your wife is doing what you've asked her to do. And Mat: Right, right. Michelle Harris: then now you're gonna jump in and just add commentary. I'm like, holy fuck dude. Like l Mat: Defend him, yeah. Michelle Harris: shut up. Mat: It cuts to a clip where Chase is talking about Macy getting famous for her baby daddy daddy. That's fucked up. Yeah, that's a pretty yeah. So don't just expect your wife to be okay with this movie. Right. Michelle Harris: It cuts to a clip where Chase is talking about Macy getting famous for her baby daddy dying. That's fucked up. Right? Like so don't just expect your wife to be okay with this man. Mat: It cuts back and Chase is saying that it was such a bad thing to say, he should have never done it, he apologized for it. Okay. And even in that clip, I think I said this last time that we covered this, all of his guy friends were like, We're not touching this one with this. Yeah, right. I remember you saying that. Absolutely fucked up. Michelle Harris: It cuts back and Chase is saying that it was such a bad thing to say. He should have never done it. He apologized for it. And even in that clip, I think I said this last time that we covered this, all of his guy friends were like, We're not touching this one with a ten foot pole. Like he brought that up and they're all like, Absolutely fucking not, let's move on. Like Like we're Mat: Yeah. Right. Michelle Harris: not we're not doing that. Macy says that she's really protective of her friends and brings up what he said about Layla being bad in bed, which we hadn't heard that before. But I guess on his podcast he came out was like Layla's bad in bed which is a very hurtful thing to say to some like about someone on a public platform. Like that has like d that's like fucked up. Like that's personal. Like don't bring Mat: Macy says that she's really protective of her friends and brings up what he said about Layla being bad in bed, which we hadn't heard about before. But I guess on his podcast he came out was like bad in bed which is a very hurtful thing to say this like about someone on a public platform. Right. Yeah, yeah. Personal. Yeah. Michelle Harris: that when you're both influencers with a following. You know, like that's just shitty. Mat: influencers with a following. Yeah, yeah. You know, like that's just shitty. Michelle Harris: and then she mentions all the Taylor stuff. So I'm assuming there's multiple things that he's brought up about Taylor because they've had the history of swinging and all that and their their confusing relationship, whatever that is. Mat: she mentions all the Taylor stuff. So I'm assuming there's multiple things that he's brought up about Taylor because they have the history of swinging and all that and their their confusing relationship with everyone. Michelle Harris: Jacob still keeps jumping in and at one point Michaela goes, Jacob, whose side are you on? And his face looks like a deer in headlights for being called out Mat: Jacob still keeps jumping in and at one point goes, Jacob, whose side are you on? And his face looks like a deer in heaven. Michelle Harris: for this. He's like Jacob says Mormon religion in an interview, Jacob says Mormon religion preaches forgiveness and him and Macy need to be the bigger people and move on so mom talk and dad talk can coexist in harmony together. Mat: Jacob says Mormon religion in an interview, Jacob says Mormon religion preaches forgiveness and him and Macy need to be the bigger people and move on so mom talk and dad talk can coexist in harmony. Okay. Michelle Harris: Like that seems like a big task, my sir. I think you just need to be okay that not everyone's gonna get along with one another. And I think that's the biggest problem with this group is that they all wanna just get along with one another, but then it causes more issues. It's like you you don't have to be friends with everyone. Right. You don't. You can be cordial, tolerate people you can tolerate people, but you do not have to be everyone's best friend. Other people are allowed other people. Correct. Regardless of your opinion of them. Yeah. Mat: Yeah. Right. I think that's the biggest problem with this group is that they all want to just get along with one another. Yeah. But then it causes more issues. Yeah, it's never gonna work. You don't have to be friends with everyone. Right. You don't. No. You can be cordial. Tolerate people, yeah. And other people are allowed to be friends with other people if you like it or not. Yeah. Exactly. Michelle Harris: Exactly. Like Mat: Like Michelle Harris: I don't know. I I they need a lesson in all that, clearly. Macy thinks that Chase is taking accountability for his actions, but what she wants to see is his words put into actions. She wants to see him on the better track in the future. Mat: Macy thinks that Chase is taking accountability for his actions, but what she wants to see is his words put into actions. She wants to see him on the better track in the future. So she tells Chase that, like, you know, 'cause he's like, well, can we like say we're good? And she was like, I don't know, like, let's see what happens after this. right, yeah. Like I'm fine if after this everything's good. Michelle Harris: So she tells Chase that, like, you know, 'cause he's like, Well, can we like say we're good? And she was like, I don't know, like, let's see what happens after this. Like you know, like I'm fine if after this everything's good. Mat: Right. You're saying a lot of things but yeah, like I it needs there needs to be some action. Like I'm willing to put Michelle Harris: Like if if you're saying a lot of things. Right. You know, like I'm willing to Macy's point is like I'm willing to put the past in the past. However, if you continue this pattern Right. If you continue this pattern, absolutely no, I'm not gonna deal with this. Mat: Based on how the future is. Yeah. Yeah. Right, right. Makes sense. Michaela thinks the timing of the cameras being around is weird and if he were really sorry he would have done this off camera because had years to apologize. Okay. I get her point, but this all does line up with the villa and he got close with Jacob at the villa right. Yeah, he's kinda c become more after the villa 'cause he's like, I don't wanna wait. So I get the whole like Michelle Harris: Michaela thinks the timing of the cameras being around is weird and if he were really sorry he would have done this off camera because he had years to apologize. I get her point but this all does line up with the villa and he got close with Jacob at the villa. So you know, I think he did it right after the villa 'cause he's like, I don't wanna wait. So I get the whole like convenient timing thing on Michaela's part, but I'm like, I also think there's other things that led up to that. Right, yeah. Mat: Right, yeah. He's more involved in the group, like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Michaela thinks that it's just a grudge she's gonna hold on to forever. Okay. Yeah, all right. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah. Michaela thinks that it's just a grudge she's gonna hold on to forever. 'Cause it's Michaela. Michaela can't forgive. She's setting boundaries. So it's the day of the reunion. All the girls are really nervous about how it's gonna go and they don't know what to expect. They show them arriving and getting ready and then they show the prayer before the reunion that Connor leads and then they show clips of the reunion. Jen and Demi going at it and ending with Demi saying to Jen, What the fuck is wrong with you? What actually is wrong with your brain? Mat: And then they show clips of the reunion, Jen and Demi going at it, ending with Demi saying to Jen, What the fuck is wrong with you? What the fuck is wrong with the screen? Michelle Harris: Jessie thinks the demise she knows at this point is coming out in this moment and she's showing her true colors. so apparently this is a side of Demi like attacking people, like and calling them names is like something common for her. 'Cause like to jump to like what the fuck is wrong with your brain, like that's unnecessary in a fight. Like bring receipts, don't bring insults. Like you know, it's kind of just annoying. Mat: Jessie thinks the demise she knows at this point is coming out in this moment and she's showing her true colors. so apparently this is a side of Demi like attacking people and and calling them names is like something common for her. 'Cause like to jump to like what the fuck is wrong with your brain, like that's unnecessary. Yeah, that's a lot of fight. Like bring receipts, don't bring insults. Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. Michelle Harris: I like that saying. Bring receipts, don't bring insults. She make that into a shirt for them. There you go. Mat: There you go. Michelle Harris: I want to see their receipts. Hashtag Mat: Hashtag momtalk. Michelle Harris: momtalk. so then they show more of the behind the scenes stuff that we didn't see during the reunion. So behind the scenes, Demi is saying that things have been muddied because of what Marciano and what Jen have been saying, who have been lying to everyone. Okay. Jen at this Mat: so then they show more of the behind-the-scenes stuff that we didn't see during a reunion. So behind the scenes, Demi is saying that things have been muddied because of what Marciano and what Jen have been saying who have been lying to everyone. Okay. Jen at this point. Michelle Harris: point goes, What did I lie about? Demi kind of ignores it. Jesse starts sticking up for Jen and Jen says Demi is still deflecting and not taking accountability. Demi thinks she has taken accountability. Jesse says it's hard to believe Demi because her story has changed so much. Demi obviously doesn't agree with that. Mat: Demi kind of ignores it. Jesse starts sticking up for Jen and Jen says Demi is still deflecting and not taking accountability. Demi thinks she has taken accountability. Jesse says it's hard to believe Denis because her story has changed so much. Demi obviously doesn't agree with that. Michelle Harris: Then it cuts to the guys altogether. Mat: Then it cuts to the guys altogether. Brett's telling the guys he's upset because the Neo-Jerk reaction to Demi saying she was a victim was not to believe her. Zack ask Brett if he's upset that Demi was texting Marciano about swallowing cum. Brett said that he's not wired like Zack, so it doesn't bother him, and Zack says that he thinks Brett should be rewired. Michelle Harris: Brett's telling the guys he's upset because the knee-jerk reaction to Demi saying she was a victim was not to believe her. Zach ask Brett if he's upset that Demi was texting Marciano about swallowing cum. Brett said that he's not wired like Zack, so it doesn't bother him. And Zack says that he thinks Brett should be rewired. Zack in an interview says that Brett is a grandpa that needs to be sent into the old folks home. So it's just a lot of bickering back and forth. At this point they insert a clip of Lisa Vanderpump Mat: Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: on like a c a like a carpet, not a red carpet but like an event carpet. and she's being interviewed and she says that she's seen every minute of the footage of Demi's time at the villa. So if the women are doubting her, they have a very good reason to. If the women are doubting Demi. So more footage that hasn't been seen? I'm assuming so. The one that they like leaked in this last one about the love, okay, get over it. But if there's more than that. Mat: being interviewed and she says that she's seen every minute of the footage of Denise's time at the villa. So if the women are doubting her, they have a very good reason to. If the women are doubting to me. Demi. So there's more footage that hasn't been seen? I'm assuming so. But if they like leaked in this last one about the love, okay, get over it. But more than that. Right. But she says that she's seen all the footage and the women have a very Michelle Harris: But she says that she's seen all the footage and the women have a very good reason to doubt Demi's story. Okay. And Lisa, like, I haven't seen all of her stuff, but like on the villa, especially with some of her crew, like I feel like she would throw them under the bus. So if Marciana was in the wrong and it was lying, she'd be like, Yeah, fucking Marciana's an asshole. Like, I feel like she would say that, you know? Mat: Interesting. Okay. And Lisa, like, I haven't seen all of her stuff, but like on the villa, especially with some of her crew, like, I feel like she would throw them under the bus. Yeah. So if Marciona was in the wrong and it was lying, she'd be like, Yeah, fucking Marciona's an asshole. Right, okay. Yeah. Michelle Harris: It cuts back to the guys and Zach's telling Brett how they spent a lot of time with Marciano and it's hard to understand the story as a whole. He says that he's open to hearing a different side of the story. So he's saying like I'm open to hearing a different side of the story. However, Marciano's side seems kind of like legit. Hasn't changed much. Like we spent a lot of time with him. It just seemed kinda genuine. Open to hear Brett interrupts and goes, I know the truth and that's all that matters. Mat: He says that he's open to hearing a different side of the story. So he's saying like I'm open to hearing a different side of the story. However, Marciano's side seems kind of like legit. Hasn't changed much like we spent a lot of time with him. It just seemed kinda genuine. Open to hear Brett interrupts and goes, I know the truth and that's all that matters. Michelle Harris: And like Zach is like like they're no, how you how can you know the truth? You weren't there. You're believing your wife. Right. Right. Like you're believing you're believing your wife. Okay, fine, that's great. You're supposed to do that, but like you can't say you know the truth. Mat: And like Zach like like there no, how can you know the truth? You weren't there and then you weren't there also with Marciana when the guys were there. Right. So yeah, you don't believe you're believing your wife. Okay, fine, that's great. Yeah. You're supposed to do that. But like you can't know the truth. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Jacob says that they can at least agree that she was talking to and building a relationship with a guy she just met. Brett doesn't agree with that and says she wasn't building a relationship with him. And says that he will let Demi explain all the nuances around it. Okay. Things then start to get heated because at that point Jacob was kinda trying to be like, Can we at least agree on Mat: Jacob says that they can at least agree that she was talking to and building a relationship with a guy she just met. Brett doesn't agree with that. She wasn't building a relationship him. And says that he will let Denis explain all the nuances around it. Okay. Things then start to get heated because at that point Jacob's kinda trying to like, can we at least agree on Michelle Harris: this and like move on from like whatever else happened to it? Like it still was kinda weird, and Brett's like, No, I'm not even gonna admit to that. Mat: Still is kind of weird. Yeah. No one's gonna admit that. Things start getting heated between Zach and Brett, and they start bickering. At this point, like it's getting pretty like name-callie, kinda like the girls, and Jason Connor are trying to simmer down the situation, saying that this isn't productive and nothing good is gonna come out of this. because like Brett's calling Zach, I think, like a a mouse face or whatever. I don't know. Michelle Harris: Things start getting heated between Zack and Brett and they start bickering. At this point, like it's getting pretty like name cally, kinda like the girls, and Jason Connor trying to simmer down the situation, saying that this isn't productive and nothing good is gonna come out of this. because like Brett's calling Zach, I think, like a a mouse face or whatever. I don't know, he's like like it just like wasn't it just started turning into insults. Mat: You mouse face you. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Something like that. And I'm sure Zach called him a grandpa at one point. I don't know. Mat: Ha ha. Michelle Harris: We go back to the girls and the girls asked Demi why when Marciano told her about Jesse why she didn't go to Jesse. Demi says she wanted to, but Jesse had her blocked on everything. Jesse points out that she could have gone to any one of the other girls Mat: Jesse points out that she could have gone to any one of the other girls. Michelle Harris: who would have then relayed the message to her. Right. Mat: Right. Demi says at that point Marciana told her to say nothing and she got scared and it was a trauma response to appease Marciana. Michelle Harris: Demi says at that point Marciano told her to say nothing and she got scared and it was a trauma response to appease Marciano. Mat: Okay. The girls are like not buying it. Michelle Harris: The girls are like not buying this. They're they think it's weird. They don't understand it. Right. Miranda says they all just need to be okay that they will never Mat: Right. Miranda says they all just need to be okay that they will never Michelle Harris: know what actually happened and they just need to be okay with that. She says if it truly did happen to you, I'm sorry that's not okay. We just don't understand the story. Right. Mat: Right. Macy says that Demi wants to prove herself so badly that it's making her seem more guilty, which I understood that point. Like you want to prove yourself so badly that like it's just like at that point, like it's almost like just move on. Yeah. just move on. Well, it's like earlier Michelle Harris: Macy says that Demi wants to prove herself so badly that it's making her seem more guilty, which I understood that point. Like you want to prove yourself so badly that like it's just like at that point like it's almost like just move on. Like just just move on. Mat: on when she was like scrolling through message after message and it was like so many messages with Marciano, and it's like, no, no, I have I ha I can prove it here, and it's like why do Michelle Harris: Right. So many messages. Right. Like Marciano She's trying to prove yeah, like I can prove it here and it's like, Why do Mat: you text him so much? Like what the hell? That's a really good point because like Michelle Harris: you text him so much? Yeah. And like that's a really good point because like Layla was the one confronting her at that point and she was like, You told Marciana She's like, Wait, no, I have the text Yeah And it's like meanwhile Mat: Yeah, you know, wait, I told him not to do it. Michelle Harris: meanwhile she's like calling him the scum of the earth but she has like books upon books upon books and Leila's like, Why the hell are you messaging with this man? Mat: Yeah, why are you texting it? Right. And she's ignores that question. She goes, No, I have No, no, no, I have this right here, I'll show you Michelle Harris: And she's like she kind of ignores that question. She goes, No, I have it No no no, I have this right here, I'll show you And she's like, Well, I just wanna know what was going on. Well w well why? Like why do you wanna know what's going on if this Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: is so traumatic to you? Like yeah, so it just it was weird. Mat: Yeah, I don't know. Michelle Harris: At this point to me gets really, really emotional and says that it is more painful not to be believed than to have to relive it over and over again. She says, honestly, I would rather say that we kissed or something did happen or emotional cheating happened because it would be way easier for her and it would hurt way worse than to like than to go through trying to like make people believe her. Mat: It would be way easier for her and it would hurt way worse than to like than to go through trying to like make people believe her. Okay. It does seem genuine. Okay. To me. I don't know her but like Michelle Harris: It does seem genuine to me. I don't know her, but like if someone started breaking down that much, I'd be like, shit, like maybe maybe there is more to this. she was very emotional, but she's like, I would I would honestly rather sit here and tell you I kissed him. Like I would rather me do that. I want to do that right now, but I'm not gonna do it 'cause it's not the truth. And I I got that. I'm like, yeah, like you probably would. Like just deal with that. Right. Mat: if someone started breaking down that much I'd be like, shit, like maybe maybe there is more to this. Yeah. she was very emotional, but she's like I would I would honestly rather sit here and tell you I kissed it. Yeah. Like I would rather me do that. I want to do that right now. But I'm not gonna do it 'cause it's not the truth. And I I got that. I'm like, yeah, like you probably would. Right. Deal with that. Right. Michelle Harris: Miranda in an interview said that had they had that transparency from Demi in the beginning, they may have been able to give Demi the grace that she thinks that she's owed. But since it's dragged on for so long, it's been hard for the girls to give her that. Right. Meanwhile, all this is happening, Whitney is just like over there eating away. And there's like memes of this. So I've seen this before where it's like Demi crying and like, you know, really emotional, and then she's over there with her plate. Mat: In an interview said that had they had that transparency from Jimmy in the beginning, they may have been able to give Jimmy the grace that she thinks that she's of. But since it's dragged on for so long, it's been hard for the girls to give her that. Right. Meanwhile, all this is happening, Whitney is just like over there eating away. And there's like months of this, so I've seen them before, where it's like Jimmy crying and like, you know, really emotional, and then she's over there with her plate. So they were doing dancing with the stars and she was like I had danced for like five hours at early and she was like I was star like my body was eating itself. So it wasn't as she was trying to be a bad friend, it was like I was so like consumed by They're gonna put this food spread out. I'm here, I'm eating I was present in that regard. That's funny. Michelle Harris: So they were doing dancing with the stars and she was like, I had danced for like five hours that day, then I have to go to reunion, then I had to like she was like, I was star like literally my body was eating itself. I was starving. So it wasn't that she was trying to be a bad friend, it was just like she was like I was so like consumed by like just like she was like, I don't even think I was present in that room during that conversation. So it was really funny. They showed Demi and Brett outside Mat: showed Denise and Browse. Michelle Harris: talking with one another because Demi is upset. Brett is saying that she doesn't have to do this and they can leave. Demi is saying that she has to for herself. She doesn't want to leave and let the other girls win. Mat: Samia's upset. Girl saying that she doesn't have to do this and they can leave. Timia's saying that she has to for herself. She doesn't want to leave and let the other girls win. Michelle Harris: It cuts back to Jessie. Jessie's back in the room. She's saying that Demi has calculated. She knew what she was doing. She put on a show and she says, I'm sorry, but I won't be friends with her anymore. Okay. and then that's like the end of the drama for the reunion. Okay. There's more drama that happened at the reunion, but we already went down that row. Mat: It cuts back to Jesse. Jesse's back in the room. She's saying that Demi is calculated, she knew what she was doing, she put on a show, and she says, I'm sorry, but I won't be friends with her anymore. and then that's like the end of the drama for the reason. Okay. There's more drama that happened after you, but already Yeah, we c we covered most of that. Michelle Harris: We go back to Bravo, Utah and Whitney, it's the next day after the reunion. Whitney is going to a meet and greet for a campaign that she's on and after that there's an influencer event for influencers in Utah for this campaign. So this is like a Whitney only event. she invited all of Mom Talk. Okay. Michaela and Macy tell Jesse that they're so it cuts back to like Mat: We go back to Pravo, Utah and Whitney it's the next day after the reunion. Whitney is going to a meet and greet for a campaign that she's on and after that there's an influencer event for influencers in Utah for this campaign. So this is like a Whitney only event. Okay. she invited all of Monta. Okay. Michaela and Macy tell Jesse that they're so it cuts back to like Michelle Harris: Michaela, Macy, and Jesse getting botox and they're asking who's going to Whitney's event. Michaela and Macy say that they are gonna go and Jesse says that she's surprised Michaela is going. Mat: Michaela jokes and says that she needs free clothes because I giving out clothes every day. And then she says, just kidding. She said that they had a good moment yesterday. Michelle Harris: Michaela jokes and says that she needs free clothes because I guess they're giving out clothes at the event. And then she says, just kidding. She said that they had a good moment yesterday after everything happened at the reunion. Michaela does admit that she still is very confused by Whitney. Jesse agrees and says, But I think that's just Whitney and we just have to be okay with it. Like we're never gonna understand her. but it seems like all the girls are definitely getting in a way better spot with her. Mat: Jesse agrees and says, but I think that's just Whitney and we just have to be okay it. Like we're never understand her. Right. but it seems like all the girls are definitely getting in a way better spot with her. Okay. It shows the dinner. Whitney's nervous because everyone's the reunion that happened the night before. yeah, yeah. So she even tells the event like foreigners, she's like, I'm sorry if anything like happens, like it's very identical. Like, no, it's gonna be great, it's gonna be great. Like, it's fine. And I'm sure that they are just happy to have like Michelle Harris: It shows the dinner. Whitney's nervous because everyone's still processing the reunion that happened the night before. So she even tells the event, like Cordinar, she's like, I'm sorry if anything like happens. Like it's very high tension. Like, no, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. Like, it's fine. And I'm sure that they are just happy to have like their name on a TV show. Yeah. Macy asked Whitney what she thought about the reunion and Whitney says it was a shit show. Mat: their name on a TV show. Yeah. Macy asks Whitney what she thought about the reunion and Whitney says it was a shit show. Taylor, however, thinks that the reunion was amazing and she feels great. she tells Layla that, you know, it's kind of like putting a Michelle Harris: Taylor, however, thinks that the reunion was amazing and she feels great. she tells Layla that, you know, it was kinda like putting a like closing a chapter with Dakota. She thinks that she can move on now. And Mat: like closing a chapter She thinks that she can move on now. And that was during the reunion didn't that was like where Dakota like didn't want the girls there and like he was talking off stage talking then she came out and confronted Michelle Harris: Right. They took all the girls off stage, then he was talking, then she came out and confronted him. And then at one point they bring her parents out to confront him. Her parents did Mat: Yeah, her parents did the where did where did the whole like Taylor's mom's friend thing like lie in this the end of se that was season three. The end of season three, but that was in the reunion, wasn't it? Like that was a okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was a towards the end of season three. Michelle Harris: That was at the end of that was season three. End of season three, but that was in the reunion, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was at towards the end of season three, right when they were like going to premiere like the season two premiere was happening. Right, right. Yeah. so her mom like confronts him about that at the reunion and then he ends up like walking off stage. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Mat: to premiere like the season two premiere channel. Right, right, okay. so her mom like confronts him about that at the reunion and he ends up like walking on stage. Okay, yeah, yeah. So Taylor thinks that that really put like a close of chapter Michelle Harris: Taylor thinks that that really put like a closed a chapter with Dakota and Layla's hopeful that Taylor can stay away from Dakota now. Layla says that she feels frustrated about the reunion because she felt like they didn't get to talk about everything and there were a few things she wanted to say. Mat: Say from Dakota now. Yeah. Layla says that she feels frustrated about the reunion because she felt like they didn't get to talk about everything and there were a few things she wanted to say. Michelle Harris: Taylor asks what she wanted to say and Layla goes, Well, it was about like it was two to me, but she's not here. Mat: Taylor asks what she wanna say and Layla goes, Well, it was about like it was two to me, but she's not here. okay. Taylor goes, What do you mean she's not here? And Michaela breaks it to her that she's not coming to Whitney's dinner. okay. So Taylor's shocked since this event is for Whitney and that's best friend. Right. And they're like, Yeah, for how much shit she gave Whitney for not going to your thing, now she's not coming to Whitney's dinner. Yeah, yeah. And Michelle Harris: Taylor goes, What do you mean she's not here? And Michaela breaks it to her that she's not coming to Whitney's dinner. okay. So Taylor's shocked since this event is for Whitney and that's her best friend. And they're like, Yeah, for how much shit she gave Whitney for not going to your thing, now she's not coming to Whitney's thing. And like this is your best friend, like you can't show up for your best friend. Apparently Demi told Whitney that she isn't doing mom talk things right now. Mat: Like, this is your best friend, like you can't show up for your best friend. Apparently, Jimmy told Whitney that she isn't doing mom talk things right now. Okay. Taylor doesn't think that this is helping Jamie at all and that she should show up and this puts a Michelle Harris: Taylor doesn't think that this is helping to me at all and that she should show up and this puts a bad look further on her situation. And that's the end of episode three. Okay. Mat: Yeah, yeah. And that's the end of episode three. Okay. That was that was a lot. Yeah. There's a lot of jumping around. There was a lot of jumping around. All right. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see next week for my quick little recap. But yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. It was a lot of jumping around. Let's see. I think just hit hit the high the high point. Yeah. Mat: That was a lot. That's fine. Michelle Harris: Sorry. That's fine. Mat: All right. So next week is season four, episode four. And there's the dancing with the stars pretty much. nice, that's in there. Okay. Michelle Harris: Episode four. We see the Dancing with the Stars premiere. Mat: And remind me again, season four is ten episodes. Ten episodes. No reunion. No reunion. Michelle Harris: Ten episodes. No reunion. No reunion. Mat: Okay. And then five is five episodes. Five episodes. But they're saying that they're coming out with five more. I don't know how sure that is. Okay. Michelle Harris: five episodes. But they're saying that they're coming out with five more. I don't know how true that is. Okay. But Mat: But But that could be like more of season five or like a season six. I know they're filming for season six. I don't know if they're calling it out with more of five. Okay. I don't know if they already have the film. Right. Okay. and then Secret Lives of Orange County premiered. Michelle Harris: I know they're filming for season six. I don't know if they're coming out with more of five. Like I don't know if they already have it filmed. Okay. and then Secret Lives of Orange County premieres in a couple of weeks, but I don't think we'll be covering that. Mat: Ha ha Michelle Harris: with non Mormon people. I think there's like two Mormon people on the cast. Mat: Okay, interesting. All right. Well, we're gonna keep sticking to this Michelle Harris: Ha ha ha. Mat: for now. If anything else comes up, we'll we'll think about it. Yeah. All right. Yeah, Michelle Harris: Is that it? Mat: I think that's it. Thanks for listening, everybody. be sure to follow us on Instagram at reality hits mat. That's reality hits A T. Just one TM Matt. Same on TikTok at reality hits mat. be sure to like, subscribe. Rate, review, leave some comments, whatever you can do on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and YouTube if you're watching the videos, all that shit. We appreciate it. thanks for all the support. you have any questions or comments, want to drop us a line, maybe some suggestions for future episodes, email us. Reality Michelle Harris: some suggestions for future episodes. Yeah. Email us. Mat: has mad at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening. Michelle Harris: Thank you.