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The Grill Out Hot Tag Episode 1: The Muta Scale · WCHS Network Podcasts

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  Speaker 1: The following contest schedule, time time. You don't see me crying,
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  Speaker 1: You don't see me down on my knees, begging about
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  Speaker 1: it crime. Welcome to the grill Out hot Tag. Here's
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  Speaker 1: your host, Hollywood, Jeff Petty.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to a new side of the
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  Speaker 2: grill aunt. We are calling this the grill Out hot Tag.
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  Speaker 2: I am your host, Hollywood, Jeff Betty. I am joined
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  Speaker 2: by Jason Likings.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, always rises to the top. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And off to my right is Josh Cole. Bye bye,
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  Speaker 1: are you Joe Hendry?
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  Speaker 2: Now maybe maybe maybe maybe definitely.
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  Speaker 1: That is true.
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  Speaker 2: And I've never knew that I actually knew your brother
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  Speaker 2: until we Yeah, I do know who your brother is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, swear Joe Cole. Joseph, but yeah Joseph, Joe Cole, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: swear Joe Cole.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, anyway, this is uh, this is not gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a full episode of the grow Out like we normally
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  Speaker 2: put out.
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  Speaker 1: One happy one year birthday to grow Out. Okay, we've
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  Speaker 1: been around for a year now.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be a sort of monthly extra
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  Speaker 2: that we're going to throw out and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: be tackling a variety of topics from the wrestling history
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  Speaker 2: to you know, maybe uh, the belt expert can go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and get on talk about you know, championship belts
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, I got to talk about the history of
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  Speaker 2: championship belts and stuff. And then Jason likes possibly fantasy
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  Speaker 2: looking certain things. Yeah, we'll just we're going to take
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  Speaker 2: this episode by episode, but this will be sort of
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  Speaker 2: an extra for everybody that is exclusively on Spreaker, Spotify, podcast, addict.
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  Speaker 1: Anything. Yeah, but this is gonna be.
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  Speaker 2: An easily digestible episode, no breaks, no segments.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, and the first episode.
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  Speaker 2: That we are doing, which is this one, is going
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  Speaker 2: to be it is going to be a great one
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  Speaker 2: from Japan, coming straight from Japan.
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  Speaker 1: We're definitely in West Virginia. Yeah, we are definitely in
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: But we are talking about a Japanese wrestling legend. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and he is a lot of you know who he is,
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  Speaker 2: the Great Mooda.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really great. He was he was he
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  Speaker 1: was awesome in the ring.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk brief. We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the Moodas scale. If you don't know what the Mooda
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  Speaker 2: scale is, I'm going to explain that as we go
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  Speaker 2: at all, I don't really know. Yeah, you're about to learn,
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  Speaker 2: You're about to learn the origins of the Moda scale
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  Speaker 2: and where it kind of wraps, you know, goes with every.
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  Speaker 1: Where there was seventeen twenty two. No, it wasn't. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this.
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  Speaker 2: So well, this man, well, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: could call him that, this monster struck fear to not
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  Speaker 2: only his opponents but everyone around him, moving like a
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  Speaker 2: man possessed, attacking his opponents with a hatred only a
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  Speaker 2: monster of demonic nature can hold. That is only one
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  Speaker 2: side of him, though. His other side is the man
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  Speaker 2: named kg Muto. But the world knows him better as
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  Speaker 2: his alter ego, the Great Mooda.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of you do.
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  Speaker 2: Remember him, most of you. Most of you do anyway,
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  Speaker 2: from his time in WCW, but he is an absolute
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  Speaker 2: legend in Japan.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff, Josh, do you remember him? Nope? Really, the match
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  Speaker 1: is like Great Mooda versus Sting. I don't when was
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  Speaker 1: he oh, late eighties, late eighties, d nineties?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually yeah, I'm actually that ties a little bit
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  Speaker 2: into this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So as we get going to.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, the Great Mooda Caju Muto aka the Great Mooda.
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  Speaker 2: If you you know, you're sitting there, you're like, you're
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  Speaker 2: a fan of Finn Balor and you liked the Demon,
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  Speaker 2: just know that the Demon was.
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  Speaker 1: Inspired by the Great Moodo. I to Jerry Missed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you can see the Great Mooda's uh, what's
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  Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for influence throughout wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could also, you know, look him up on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: You could. I highly see him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I highly recommend you doing that. Yeah, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: He was innovative in the ring, creating the mood A
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  Speaker 2: Loch along with the Shining Wizard. Caju Muto not only
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  Speaker 2: set the bar for pro wrestling, but his influence can
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  Speaker 2: be felt through the world of professional wrestling today.
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  Speaker 1: That is a discussion for another day, though.
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  Speaker 2: So the mood A Loch is a how do I
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  Speaker 2: explain this? So the STF it's like that, except you're
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  Speaker 2: doing it backwards like the like your opponent's still in
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  Speaker 2: the same position, but you are flipped and you're.
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  Speaker 1: Doing it backwards. That is the mood A lock.
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  Speaker 2: The Shining Wizard, which is something that he came up
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  Speaker 2: with later on in his career because his his main
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  Speaker 2: finisher was the moon Salt that takes a toll on
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  Speaker 2: your knees after a long time. Yeah, Jason's got a
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  Speaker 2: picture of the of the mood alock right there. The
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  Speaker 2: Shining Wizard is like, so your opponent is down in
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  Speaker 2: a prone position, like down on one knee, and Mooda
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  Speaker 2: pretty much just comes up hits you with his knee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah your leg, yes, steps up on the knee that
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  Speaker 2: you have stationary and then hit you with his other knee.
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  Speaker 1: And is it who is it that does the shiniest
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  Speaker 1: think of in WWE? I don't know right off the
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  Speaker 1: top of my head, but it is influenced.
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  Speaker 2: From Jay It could be whoever is doing it.
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  Speaker 1: It is inspired by the Great and to Jerry even
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  Speaker 1: used the Shining Wizard. Yes, I believe Hurricane Helms used
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  Speaker 1: it for a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, that was something that he
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  Speaker 2: came up with later on in his career.
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  Speaker 1: So where was I at? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So today we are inviting him to join us
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  Speaker 2: as we take a look at the beginning of something
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  Speaker 2: else that Kaiji Muto well, his alter ego, the Great
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  Speaker 2: Mooda is credited for. We were talking about the infamous
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  Speaker 2: mood A scale and where it all began.
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  Speaker 1: Where did it all begin? Jeff uh?
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  Speaker 2: First off, anything that I say in this recording, don't
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  Speaker 2: try at home.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, don't wait, don't try saying the stuff at home.
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  Speaker 1: Don't don't do what you know. Don't so, don't try
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  Speaker 1: pro wrestling at home.
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  Speaker 2: Don't try, yes, exactly, don't try your high school No.
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  Speaker 1: No, you're a thing you want to do. Don't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't don't do it. Don't hey, hold on, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: I see you don't don't do that. Don't do that?
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  Speaker 1: Not here? No, no, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So, first off, Muda was a absolute mad man. You
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  Speaker 2: think he looked and acted a little crazy in WCW,
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  Speaker 2: Wait until you see him running at you with a
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  Speaker 2: ring spike and wanting to harm you in Japan, which
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  Speaker 2: is what he would do quite often. Oh yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: would straight up grab a ring spike and chase after you.
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  Speaker 2: Jusian thundering Lager was on the receiving end of one
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  Speaker 2: of those, which led to Kishen Lagger, which is something
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  Speaker 2: totally different to talk about another day.
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  Speaker 1: That's an alter ego. The Juician thunder lager.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, he was a madman. And like I said,
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  Speaker 2: wait until you see him running at you with a
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  Speaker 2: ring spike. Yes, a mooda match was crazy. He would
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  Speaker 2: usually do something heinous somewhere in the match, usually by
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  Speaker 2: grabbing a weapon, sometimes a ring spike. Again, don't do
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  Speaker 2: this at home to attack his opponent with the ref
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  Speaker 2: because he wanted absolutely no part of that. Would wait
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  Speaker 2: and see what the response is from his opponent. If
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  Speaker 2: his opponent grabbed a weapon to defend themselves, and it's
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  Speaker 2: a no DQ. If they just stood there and did
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  Speaker 2: not defend themselves, then it would be a disqualification. It
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  Speaker 2: was pretty much up to the discretion of the opponents
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  Speaker 2: on whether or not it was going to be a DQ.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the time they would defend themselves, so therefore
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  Speaker 2: they just kind of let it go, which was which
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  Speaker 2: is pretty common within Japanese pro wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you can just grab.
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  Speaker 2: A weapon or put somebody through a table, and they're
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  Speaker 2: just they're going to be a little more lenient with
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  Speaker 2: especially if it's a title match or like a tournament match.
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  Speaker 2: They don't they want to avoid any way any type
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  Speaker 2: of disqualification.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I mean did Muda use a lot of weapons.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he actually did so most of the time opponents
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  Speaker 2: would defend themselves. And when I say that Muda grabbed weapons,
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  Speaker 2: like what you just said that were Muta grabbed weapons,
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  Speaker 2: I mean he grabbed them and just kept piling them on.
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  Speaker 2: There's actually a match between him and Power Warrior from
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven where they're on the outside of the ring.
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  Speaker 1: Power Warrior, who.
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  Speaker 2: Is sort of an extension of the Road Warriors in Japan.
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  Speaker 2: He is on the outside of the ring and you
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  Speaker 2: remember the do you remember the clip from ECW where
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  Speaker 2: Mick Foley's just getting all the chairstrowe on him from
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  Speaker 2: the crowd. Imagine that, but on the side of the
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  Speaker 2: ring and its Mooda throwing all of the chairs that
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  Speaker 2: he can grab at you. Okay, yeah, I mean he
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  Speaker 2: just kept piling them on to him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So now the person who ends who's starting who he
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  Speaker 2: was with to start the mood to Scale with the
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  Speaker 2: unofficial infamous mood to Scale.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say you set the stage
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  Speaker 1: for this.
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  Speaker 2: Individual in walks, a man who is not afraid of
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  Speaker 2: the monster named Mooda, not willing to back down because
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  Speaker 2: of the power of his majestic mullet. Because how majestic
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  Speaker 2: are I'm giving it a solid eight out of ten.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, describe this mullet like, are we talking about Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: top Hat, Kentucky Waterford?
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  Speaker 2: I would say it is. It was like Eddie's Eddie
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  Speaker 2: Guerrero's mullet, except shorter.
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  Speaker 1: In the back. Oh wow, okay, it was majestic.
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  Speaker 2: Is like oh no, no, no, like just as though, yes,
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  Speaker 2: oh it's a majestic mullet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. He was also this is a fun fact.
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  Speaker 2: He was also Japan's Minister of Education, Culture, Sports, Science
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  Speaker 2: and Technology.
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  Speaker 1: At one point. Oh nice, yes, in walks Hiroshi Hayes.
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  Speaker 1: Who is Hiroshi Hayes. Well, that's what I would like
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  Speaker 1: to know now exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Former tag team partner of KGI Mutu and the Great
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  Speaker 2: Moodom both at the same time them separate, But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he was. He was a former tag team partner of
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  Speaker 2: KGI Mutu. He was was once again interfewed with the
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  Speaker 2: Great Moodom. I say once again because a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years earlier, when Muda first came back from the United States,
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  Speaker 2: he went on excursion to WCW in the late eighties
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  Speaker 2: early nineties, he came back. He had this program with
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  Speaker 2: Hiroshi Hayes. I believe this was in nineteen ninety, so
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  Speaker 2: he had just gotten back like this is. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: had just left WCW when it came back, which is
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  Speaker 2: a tradition that Japanese wrestling still does. Still send the
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  Speaker 2: wrestlers awful excursion to foreign promotions to have them learn
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  Speaker 2: how to work different styles. One of the more infamous
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  Speaker 2: types of excursions is Kazuko Kata's excursion to TNA where
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  Speaker 2: they just kind of just yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I believe Muda was in the nWo.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he was, he was, he was, and so there
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  Speaker 2: was a they were called nWo Japan. Scott Norton was
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  Speaker 2: a member. Yes there was, who I think is still
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  Speaker 2: in New Japan. I think he's still doing stuff. But yes,
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  Speaker 2: so Muda was also there. There was also another gentleman
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  Speaker 2: by the name of Masa hero Chono who was a
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  Speaker 2: Those two were two thirds of what was called the
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  Speaker 2: Three Musketeers of New Japan, which also included Shinya Hashimoto.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: The Three Musketeers of New Japan is still sort of
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  Speaker 2: a thing today.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly who his The Three Musketeers now
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  Speaker 1: because it's been kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of fractured, but they were sort of the first iteration
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  Speaker 2: of that, and then later on you got Chansky, Knackamoor,
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  Speaker 2: Hiroshi Tana Hashi, and Katcheri Shabata, and then later on
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  Speaker 2: you got Nito Okada and I can't remember who the
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  Speaker 2: third one is right off the top of my head,
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  Speaker 2: but yes, it's it's sort of, it's it's sort of
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  Speaker 2: those are.
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  Speaker 1: Your aces, those are year three that you can lean on. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to bring up an ace,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to talk about Tanahashi. Yeah. So so
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  Speaker 1: take us back to the great Muda Hayes.
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  Speaker 2: So so Hiroshi hay what is it he was hazing people?
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  Speaker 1: You can sort of now, is it? Is it Hayes
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  Speaker 1: who had the mullet?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Hirohie Hayes had the mullet. Okay, And yes he
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  Speaker 2: was in the few. He was He was in a
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  Speaker 2: few in nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety with uh with Muda.
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  Speaker 2: Muda gave him the absolute beating of his life in
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  Speaker 2: this match.
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  Speaker 1: Like how bad are we talking? Oh? It's bad.
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  Speaker 2: Like there was blood and there was a lot of it,
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  Speaker 2: like a lot a lot okay, a lot and I
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  Speaker 2: remember this is in nineteen ninety It was a horror show,
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  Speaker 2: not only the Haze but to the crowd as well.
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  Speaker 2: Muda had drown, just some blood, but a lot of it.
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  Speaker 2: Needless to say, Hayes had some payback for kg Mutto,
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  Speaker 2: but also for the mystique of the Great Muda.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So that's what led into what's coming off.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that is sort of the genesis to what led
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  Speaker 2: to this infamous match between Hiroshie Hayes and the Great
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  Speaker 2: Muda in nineteen ninety two.
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  Speaker 1: So we have the Great Muda versus Hayes. Yes, we've
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  Speaker 1: got mullet versus missed Yes, sah okay, God.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's where that's where we're at now that right there, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: that was in nineteen ninety. Fast forward to nineteen ninety two,
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  Speaker 2: the Great Muda and Hiroshie Hayes are once again facing
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  Speaker 2: each other. Some ten minutes into the match, Hayes gains
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  Speaker 2: the upper hand on Muda. He then starts to rub
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  Speaker 2: off because Muda had this, you know, he would have
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  Speaker 2: the face paint when he was going out as the
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  Speaker 2: Great Muda. Yes, Hiroschie Hayes is rubbing that red face
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  Speaker 2: paint because it was red. He's rubbing it off of
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  Speaker 2: Muda with his hands, and eventually he was taking the
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  Speaker 2: bottom of his and he was scraping his you know.
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  Speaker 1: Head, trying to get pretty much. He was just really
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  Speaker 1: and truly he was being a bit of a douchebag.
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  Speaker 1: But I get it that Muda had it coming. But
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  Speaker 1: Mooda is going to do Mooda things. So of course
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  Speaker 1: he grabs a weapon.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, yes he grabs a weapon, but you know what,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, he grabs that ringspike. He's coming at
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  Speaker 2: Hirohie Hayes. He's not just going against any ordinary man.
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  Speaker 2: He's going against a man who not only has a
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  Speaker 2: plan for Japanese education and culture in the future, but
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  Speaker 2: a man with a sweet mullet, sweet mullet, a sweet mullet.
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  Speaker 2: Hiroshi Hayes takes the weapon away and strikes Muda with
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  Speaker 2: the weapon, and of course there's blood and Muda looks
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  Speaker 2: like a straight up wounded animal at this point. Like
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  Speaker 2: there was a lot of blood in that first in
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  Speaker 2: that nineteen ninety match, but this nineteen ninety two match
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  Speaker 2: took it to a whole nother level. I mean, there
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  Speaker 2: was I will compare it later on in this script, but.
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  Speaker 1: Just there was it was.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, like when WWE somebody gets busted open
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  Speaker 2: and they do a replay of that and they make
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  Speaker 2: it black and white. Yes, I don't think they could
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  Speaker 2: even with the black and white. I don't even think
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  Speaker 2: they could, you know, cover this up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's how That's how much blood there was
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  Speaker 1: in this. Okay, So he does.
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  Speaker 2: Muda looks like a straight up wounded animal. And like
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  Speaker 2: I said, he's going after not only the Great Mooda
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  Speaker 2: but the mystique surrounding the Great Mooda at the time,
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  Speaker 2: because you gotta think he just came back from excursion
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: He has been running rough shot over people. So is
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to show that, like Muda is not this
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  Speaker 1: monster but he's a yes, yes he is.
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  Speaker 2: He is trying he has a personal vendetta against Muda,
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  Speaker 2: and he is trying to show that there is a
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  Speaker 2: weakness to this monster that everybody has sort of become
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  Speaker 2: afraid of. Okay, but here is the beauty of Japanese
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  Speaker 2: psychology aka put orisu, the fighting spirit of a competitor
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  Speaker 2: or in this case, a wounded Monster will assist in
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  Speaker 2: the triumph over their adversary. It's sort of a much
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  Speaker 2: better version of Haul Cogan's haulking Up. Okay, So, Muda
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  Speaker 2: then starts to fight back despite losing quite a bit
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  Speaker 2: of blood like it's a massacre.
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  Speaker 1: And definitely not PG.
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  Speaker 2: Not only is the Great Muda trying to find the
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  Speaker 2: fire to fight back, but the man behind him, Kiji
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  Speaker 2: Muto is as well.
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  Speaker 1: Kgi Muto. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 2: After having just about enough if Heirohi Hayes, Muda then
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  Speaker 2: just completely destroys him, finishing finishing him off with a
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  Speaker 2: moon salt for the win. This match said a standard
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  Speaker 2: that night, and that standard is how well getting color
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  Speaker 2: worked in a match.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we've known this for years.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go back and watch any Rick Flair or Dusty
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  Speaker 2: Rhodes match from the eighties. Okay, you're going to see blood.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to see how effective it is. But we
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  Speaker 2: never actually had a scale for it until this match
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  Speaker 2: came about. For disclosure, for the of you do not know,
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  Speaker 2: blood in wrestling is real.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: It is very real.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: They do not use blood capsules, at least almost never. Yeah,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: like there was There's been a couple of instances but
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: for the most part, it's real blood. And I'm not
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: really going to go so far in how getting color
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: they get color in wrestling. I mean, yeah, yeah, it's
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: it's rather grewsome but just know that blood in wrestling
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: is very very real.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a pretty sharp trick, yes it is.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: But like I said, we did not we knew how
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: effective it was, but we did not have a scale
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: for it with this match. We haven't The Moda scale,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: which is an unofficial scale.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Created by fans.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: It scores how well and how much blood was used
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: in a match. The Great Mooda's match with Hirosie hates
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Hiroshi Hayes at NJPW's Final Battle on December fourteenth, nineteen
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: ninety two is the skin standard and scores one Mouda.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: That is your standard rate there. That match has one
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Moda to it. So being like the bloodiest or no,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that's just.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: That's the baseline, Okay, So baseline is one.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Base yes one now, and and in a way you're
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: not like you're comparing any time anytime you have blood
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: in the match, you're comparing it to this match. Now,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: granted this match had a lot of blood to it, Okay,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: that's why this match gets one mood.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: It goes up and down.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Most time it's below because nobody's getting that much blood.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I have to ask, okay, okay, if we're talking
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: about blood in a match and color in a match
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Eddie Guerrero versus JBL Judgment Day two thousand and four,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I am so glad you brought that up. Where where
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: is that on the mooda scale?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: That is three moodas Jesus Lord so so, and neither
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: of you have seen this match that I'm talking about, Okay,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: but you've both seen.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Eddie Carrero JBL match. To put it into context, Yes,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: that is true. That tripled the skin. That is Okay,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that is three moodas is what that is.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So just think about all the blood in that
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: in that Judgment Day match.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: And if you're listening to this and you you're like,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: which which new Japan matches is he talking about?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: You can go back and watch it.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: But just for reference, because I know that a lot
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: of people have seen that JBL match.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: It is three moudas.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Now on the other end of that is Sizarro's terrible
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: attempt at getting color, and I think both of you
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. So, yes, like what we said,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: we don't really want to get too far into how
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: you get color and wrestling because it can get rather graphic.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: But yes, you use a rather sharp, sharp tool to
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: do it. And when Cesarro tried to get color, tried
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: to gig himself, Yeah, it just looked like a cat scratch. Yeah,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I mean it just went right across his forehead. You
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: could tell what he tried doing and it didn't work.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: That rate tear is like zero point one.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Muda, okay, or you can probably go lower than that.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: So out of curiosity?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Was it just like a group of fans that created this,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: or is like someone specifically can pinpoint it?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Just it's a group of fans.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: It's so it's sort of one of those Internet lowre
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: things that nobody really knows exactly where it came from.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: But it's just it's kind of been there ever since.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: And I think, really, I think it started.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: On message boards back in the day, because.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: That's where a lot of people, like back in the
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: early nineties, you in the United States, you didn't have
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: access to Japanese wrestling, and the best way for you
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: to get access to Japanese wrestling was to tape trading.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: So there was a lot of tape traders back in
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the day. And a lot of these tape traders. You know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: it's back in the nineties. We don't have the cell
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: phones that we do now. You can't pull up you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Twitter or whatever and you know talk to somebody about,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you know, about what you saw in that match.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: They would go to message boards basically social media. The nineties.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: It basically was, and that is where the Mooda scale
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: started sort of was sort of with the iw C,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and again, nobody knows exactly where it came from, but
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: it is. It's it's an unofficial scale, but fans still
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: use it from time to time. The message boards.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we have Guerrero JBL three MODA three moda,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: csoro point one point one. What is John Moxley getting
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: ready to go on a date with Rene Piquette? Like,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: where does that fall on the that's like point three
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: point three? Okay, point point three? Yeah, I would I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: would give.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It a point three movies it was g JBO the highest.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the official highest is. That is
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: the highest one I could find.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest when I would be worried to see
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: what beats that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to see what beats that because
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: that one because it didn't.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Eddie almost die in that match because of that. Yeah,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: like he had a main artery or something way too deep.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah he cut. Yeah. I remember seeing it and I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, oh, that's it turns your stomach whenever
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: it kind of squirts a little bit. Yeah, that right there.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: That that already gives you a mooda and a half. Okay,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: when you see it just squirting out like that like
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: a caprice son it is.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: That's a mooda and a half at that point. God,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I haven't had one of those along at last. That
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: is not Mudo's entire legacy. He is easily in the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore conversation.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Uh, And honestly, I can go all day talking about
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: his career, from what he did in New Japan to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: him going over to All Japan and his founding of
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the now defunct wrestling promotion Wressell Won. Hiroshi Hayes is
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: still in politics and is the current governor of Ishikawa Prefecture,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: which is basically a province in Japan like they are
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: in Canada. So Mudo is a Japanese legend, Hall of Famer,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: has all these accolades, retired, now retired, finally now retired.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I mean he's the man has put in his time
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: final match.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it was well involved. Yeah, I'm sorry, what
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: were you saying, Josh, he works with now right?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Or yes he does, he does do stuff with noing
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: now and yes, Hiroshi Hayes he's he's still in politics,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: so yes, and he is the Yeah, like I.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Said, he's the governor of Ishikawa Prefecture.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Which is, like I said, basically a province, their province
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: within Japan. It's not so much like how it is
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: he is here in the United States and you have
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: a state and everything. Not to go too far into that,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: but yeah, it's it's more or less how they are
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: in Canada, where Canada has their own different provinces, you know.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: So that's the best way to equate it to somebody
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in North America. But yes, that is the origins of
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the Mooda scale, how the Mooda scale actually works and
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: how you know you and you can't apply this to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: any to any match that gets color in you know
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you like you just have to, like I said, compare
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: it to the one match that was December fourteenth, nineteen
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: ninety two in JPW Final Battle the Great Muda versus
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Hiroshi Hayes. So that is all that I have for
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: this first episode of the Grill.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Out hot Tag. Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that and this is also something that a
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: lot of people. I've seen people talk about it online
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: about the about the mood of scale. But I don't
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: know if anybody. I don't know if anybody has ever
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: really dove deep on this. I know that I attempted
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: YouTube a few years back, and I did do a
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: video of it on there. Don't go looking for it.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: The audio on it is atrocious. But yeah, and this
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is basically just.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: A revamped script from all of that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: So yeah, go ahead and email us the girl at
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: ninety five, tell us what you think of the mood
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: of scale.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Tell us you know, Jeff, if i'm may, I have
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a list here of mood of scale matches.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, And by the way, this, I'm glad
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you brought that up because when I was researching this.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: This was three or four years ago. Yes, this was
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: during COVID when I was researching this, So go ahead. So,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Eddie Guerrero in the JBL match, as we said, is
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a three point zero. Okay, John Cena versus JBL, which
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: was the e quip match from Judgment Day two thousand
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and five, Sena received a two point zero. I was
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: wondering about that. What is what JBL in these Judgment
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Day Well, this one is not JBL involved. This is
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Necro butcher Oh man, Lord, yes, and let's see deathmatch
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: legend Samoa Joe and let's see Necro would start bleeding
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: when literally five minutes into the match, Joe starts shoot
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: head budding Necro immediately splitting him open. Only received a
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: two point five. Randy Yorton Summer Slim twenty sixteen against
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: brock Lesner, brock Lesner opening him, opening him up with
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: his elbow, yep, zero point seventy five. Huh, Bill Alfonso.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Bill Alfonso is on here, and let's see what he
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: had on the movie dires So Tommy Dreamer's wife Beulah
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: mcgillgutty McGillicuddy. One point five. So higher than Czari, No.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Higher than the moodis than the actual mooda match. Yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: that's one point five Muda, right, yeah, oh gosh, yeah,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm telling you if you haven't seen it, go
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: out and watch it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: It is I mean, it's bad. I'm sorry. I was
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: just reading further on into this and this is honorable mentions. Okay,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to read this to you. Rick Flair
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: literally every day of his life.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Rick Flair fans.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: The hair worked Rick Flair career career scaling one hundred
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is a undertaker Bens and manson bavsary three on there.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It is not that man got bloody and yeah, yes
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: he did, but yeah that is and then well it
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: says the last one on here is the mass transit
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: incident and simply did not feel like talking about this one.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that one that was hard, hard talk. Yeah,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the kid wasn't trained.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And I don't even think that one should be even
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think the Mouda SCO should even be applied
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: to that. No, like, and I can safely say that now. Yes, sorry,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: May he rest in peace, New Jack.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I will say I don't really agree with
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the bill Alphonso one. I don't think it should have
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: gone higher than Mooda itself, maybe a point eight maybe.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I mean it says here that the ECW Blue Ring
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: canvas would be colored red as everywhere Bill went and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the ring would instantly be covered in blood. So maybe
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I don't wait, maybe we gotta we should watch that match.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It could be the part of it was the fact
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: that Bill Alfonzo wasn't, you know, technically a wrestler. Yeah. True,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's where they put it.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: So you make a good point with that, because I
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: don't if we're going to apply the logic to the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: mass transit incident saying that we're not going to play
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the mood of scale here because he was not a
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: trained wrestler, the story and everything that maybe that should
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: also be applied to Bill al Fonso Bula McGillicutty.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Well, but at least they were trained to be in
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the ring. True, true. True. With with the other incident,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I mean it was just it was a kid put
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: in there and it Yeah, yeah, liberties were taken very much.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: So there's a there is a reason why an entire
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: episode of Dark Side of the Ring is uh well,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: there's a reason why it's mentioned in Dark Side of
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the Rings. Well in the Newjack episode, like you know
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that amongst the other things Nu Jack committed, Yes, like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Vic Grimes that that whole ordeal. But yeah, no, I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I agree, but that is a discussion for another day.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: It is, and that is going to conclude our first
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: episode of the Grill Out hot hot Tag hot tag.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I wanted to say, hot takes no hotcakes? Are you
• 29:00
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• 29:03
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• 29:04
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• 29:06
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• 29:11
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• 29:11
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• 29:13
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• 29:18
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• 29:21
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• 29:23
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• 29:25
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• 29:28
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