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Player Perspective of a Managerial Firing, Unsung Cards, Dodgers Series · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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• 1:24
  Speaker 1: So the Cardinals are in Pittsburgh looking to sweep the Pirates.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: They got the Dodgers, Uh coming to town this weekend.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: But around major League Baseball, and I wanted to hit
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  Speaker 1: on this first with.
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  Speaker 4: You, gentlemen. We're seeing a lot of whacking, right.
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: We saw the Red Sox whack Cory Cora, and then
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: we see the Phillies whack Thompson, their manager. And these
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  Speaker 1: are two teams with huge payrolls that are just tread
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  Speaker 1: and water. It's not been good in the early going.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start with Matt Holliday. Matt, do you
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  Speaker 1: think it's too early for guys to get whacked? And
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: we just lost Kyle Gibson, so that's cool.
• 2:01
  Speaker 4: There is okay there?
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  Speaker 2: Uh do I think it's too early?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look, I think that a lot of this
• 2:08
  Speaker 5: is maybe deeper than we know. I think when you
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  Speaker 5: start talking about gms and president of Baseball Operations or
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  Speaker 5: people whoever are running the team, Uh, you start to
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  Speaker 5: talk about relationships with the manager, and the minute it
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  Speaker 5: seemingly goes sideways with the team a little bit where
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  Speaker 5: they're not performing, Uh, this is an opportunity for them
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  Speaker 5: to put somebody in control that they want in control
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  Speaker 5: that maybe they work better with or maybe that they
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  Speaker 5: have a stronger voice.
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  Speaker 2: Then.
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  Speaker 5: I think Alex Cora had earned and gained a pretty
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  Speaker 5: big voice with the Red Sox and with with ownership.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I think that sometimes if you're a GM,
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  Speaker 5: you you take a you maybe point the blame a
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  Speaker 5: little bit when you fire the manager, and then you
• 2:59
  Speaker 5: you know, you hope you somebody in that starts, uh
• 3:02
  Speaker 5: maybe starts a fire or something. But look, we all
• 3:05
  Speaker 5: know that the Corps is a good manager. I mean
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  Speaker 5: he's won a World Series, just like Rob Thompson. He's
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  Speaker 5: the same manager that got him to the playoffs a
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  Speaker 5: lot lately. Uh, it's not They're not the reason that
• 3:16
  Speaker 5: the Red Sox and Phillies are not playing well. I
• 3:19
  Speaker 5: think the Red Sox made a mistake and not bringing
• 3:22
  Speaker 5: Bregman back. They let Ranger Swarez go out the door
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  Speaker 5: or no, wait, the sign Ranger Swarez.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I don't know. I think it's it's.
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  Speaker 5: Probably it's just to me a lot of times, a
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  Speaker 5: kind of just a shuffling of the deck. I don't
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  Speaker 5: think the manager as a player, it's never it's never
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  Speaker 5: the manager's fault. When you're off to this kind of start.
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  Speaker 5: I don't love the roster construction necessarily for the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 5: And then I think the Phillies have just kind of
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  Speaker 5: gotten off to a bit of a bad start. I
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  Speaker 5: think they're gonna get hot. I think they still have
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  Speaker 5: a really good team. They're gonna get wheelerback, who's an
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  Speaker 5: ace if he comes back, you know, and is healthy.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's an ace type of pitch. Uh So,
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  Speaker 5: I think the Phillies will end up. I think they
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  Speaker 5: have a better team and will end up I think
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  Speaker 5: getting into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: But it's never the manager.
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  Speaker 5: I think this is more probably behind the scenes, when
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  Speaker 5: you're talking about a GM who wants to make a change,
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  Speaker 5: maybe bring somebody in that they're that they can have
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more collaboration with.
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  Speaker 1: Usually, if there has to be a fall guy, Kyle,
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  Speaker 1: it's the hitting coach, right, that's the first guy that
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  Speaker 1: always gets cut loose, even though it's not his fault.
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  Speaker 1: But in these cases, like in Boston, they fired everybody
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  Speaker 1: Thompson in in Philly, who the players loved that. The
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  Speaker 1: players in Boston love Cora. It's got to be something else.
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  Speaker 1: Is it too early or do you think these guys
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  Speaker 1: could have gotten the ship back on course?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I think definitely they Like Matt said,
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  Speaker 7: I think they both could have gotten a ship back
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  Speaker 7: on course because you know, there are two teams that
• 4:53
  Speaker 7: have a lot of good players, and when they start
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  Speaker 7: playing better, you know, obviously the manager looks better. I
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  Speaker 7: think Lance pointed out on Monday a really good point,
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  Speaker 7: and I heard somebody else say it. You know, the
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  Speaker 7: last couple of days about the Phillies is if the
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  Speaker 7: GM comes in or you know, Dave Dombrowski comes in
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  Speaker 7: and says, hey, we need to make a change. We
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  Speaker 7: haven't been hitting. I think Kevin Long is you know,
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  Speaker 7: somebody needs to go, and Rob Thompson says, well, you're
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  Speaker 7: going to fire me before you fire Kevin Long, because
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  Speaker 7: if you're firing Kevin Long, then you're firing me as well.
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  Speaker 7: I think that could be some of the situation here,
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  Speaker 7: with Cora and Thompson both being guys who are very
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  Speaker 7: well respected and loved in those clubhouses by all accounts.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't know, I think that could be something
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  Speaker 7: that could have been going on there. Definitely in twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty two when we went from Girardi to tomper You know,
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  Speaker 7: it was a pretty big shock factor, a pretty big
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  Speaker 7: you know, hey, kicking the pants. Part of the reason
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  Speaker 7: he got fired was the players here, So we need
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  Speaker 7: to pick it up.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe that's something that that Dave was going with in
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  Speaker 7: Philly and.
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  Speaker 4: Hoping that happened here with with Maddingly coming in.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, I think I think Lance probably hit it
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  Speaker 7: on the head when you mentioned that the manager was
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  Speaker 7: not going to let somebody else take the.
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  Speaker 1: Bad Lance you made a great point. I think other
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  Speaker 1: people probably heard it and still your point. My question
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  Speaker 1: is if you're a player on a team that should
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: be doing better, and I think all you guys have
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: been in that boat and then someone gets whacked, is
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  Speaker 1: it a kick in the pants or does that not
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  Speaker 1: change the equation really at all?
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  Speaker 4: If you're dealing with professional athletes.
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  Speaker 6: Well some people would be surprised to hear this, but
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  Speaker 6: we do have hearts and we don't want people to
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  Speaker 6: lose their jobs because of our bad play, right, So yes,
• 6:40
  Speaker 6: when you are a professional, these guys are with you
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  Speaker 6: every day, These coaches, they're ins and outs with you.
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  Speaker 6: They're going through the ups and downs with you, trying
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  Speaker 6: to help you get through them. So you don't want
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  Speaker 6: anyone to get fired because you suck, right, I would
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  Speaker 6: say both teams would say, hey, up until this point,
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  Speaker 6: we've not done what we're supposed to do, so we've sucked.
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  Speaker 6: So someone has to take the fall for that, and
• 7:02
  Speaker 6: it's usually not the players because if you cut them,
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  Speaker 6: you have to pay them way too much money and
• 7:06
  Speaker 6: stuff like that. But that being said, you don't those guys,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the coaches and stuff worked so hard. So
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  Speaker 6: when guys get fired because of bad play, it hits
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  Speaker 6: in a bad way for players more than anyone would
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  Speaker 6: ever know, because we're not heartless assholes like people think
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  Speaker 6: we are. So yes, it does affect you. It does
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  Speaker 6: hit you in a way because you know these people's families,
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  Speaker 6: you know them very well, and you don't want them
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  Speaker 6: to lose their job because of you, and at this
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  Speaker 6: point they have because of your lack of being able.
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  Speaker 3: To perform on the field right now.
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  Speaker 6: So maybe the front officers are saying, hey, well, especially
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  Speaker 6: in Philly, it's like hey, look, they were talking about
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  Speaker 6: him standing in the organization in some way, so maybe
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  Speaker 6: it was like he's so well respected that he might
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  Speaker 6: have walked in and said, Hey, I'm not getting through
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  Speaker 6: the way I want to, or it's not hitting the
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  Speaker 6: way we need to. We might need to shake it up,
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  Speaker 6: because I've heard he's that kind of person. So you
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  Speaker 6: just don't know, but you also know that there's some
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  Speaker 6: fighting going on when things aren't going going the way
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  Speaker 6: they're supposed to. Front offices and everything are gonna not
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  Speaker 6: take the blame. They don't want to take the blame.
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  Speaker 6: So usually it's the coaches, and then the coaches are,
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  Speaker 6: you know, taking the blame for the players not playing
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  Speaker 6: as well either.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a it's a vicious cycle in this game.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to say for the record that there
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  Speaker 1: is no one on this panel that is a heartless
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  Speaker 1: a hole. Kyle, were you holding up two fingers from no?
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  Speaker 7: Lance added the curse word. That's number two.
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  Speaker 6: I just need to integrate one more. If anyone wants
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  Speaker 6: to help, you can. But I got it.
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  Speaker 3: I like it.
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  Speaker 4: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: So, Matt, what's it like being on a team that
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: has very good players. I don't know if you've ever
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: been in that exact situation, but a team that has
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  Speaker 1: really no shot at getting getting it going again, and
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: then you know there could be a change. What's it
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  Speaker 1: like being part of that as as as an athlete
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  Speaker 1: doing your best every day? Know one, the coaches, the
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  Speaker 1: managers working hard, but it's not working.
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  Speaker 4: How frustrating is that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's pro sports, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's a it's a big roster, right, so
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  Speaker 5: you have to have you know, there's there's there's the
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  Speaker 5: the hitting, the starting pitching, and the relief pitching. And
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  Speaker 5: so you're gonna have seasons and you're gonna have times
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  Speaker 5: where one of those three two of those three are not.
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  Speaker 2: Playing well or not doing well.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, you might be playing well early in the games,
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  Speaker 5: but you're having trouble holding leads, or you might be
• 9:42
  Speaker 5: having a hard time scoring. You're pitching well, but you
• 9:44
  Speaker 5: can't can't get that big hit. So it's pro baseball,
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  Speaker 5: major League baseball. I mean, it's a it's a you know,
• 9:51
  Speaker 5: there's there's years, you know where you you've had a
• 9:53
  Speaker 5: ton of talent and and you just can't find ways
• 9:57
  Speaker 5: to win games and and you can't get all three
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  Speaker 5: kind of synced up. There's years where you're not nearly
• 10:03
  Speaker 5: as talented, but you're getting clutch hits and you're and
• 10:06
  Speaker 5: you're you know, you're making the big play, you're getting
• 10:09
  Speaker 5: the big hit, and and and you're winning more games
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  Speaker 5: than maybe you should.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's one of those things. I think that
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  Speaker 2: it's a long season.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's one of the good things about playing
• 10:20
  Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty two games is usually, uh, if
• 10:23
  Speaker 5: you have a good roster, eventually you kind of get
• 10:25
  Speaker 5: it going. And that's where I think some of these
• 10:27
  Speaker 5: early firings are are a little bit different and maybe
• 10:31
  Speaker 5: a little suspicious, is because over a long season, the
• 10:36
  Speaker 5: Phillies are gonna be good. I think in the Red Sox,
• 10:40
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm not as confident in their roster, but
• 10:42
  Speaker 5: I think at the end of the day, I think
• 10:43
  Speaker 5: they're gonna be around five hundred in August, which puts
• 10:46
  Speaker 5: you in the mix for playoffs.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: And so I don't know, I just think that that.
• 10:55
  Speaker 5: Roster and and and long season, and and you know,
• 10:58
  Speaker 5: it's like we have one job as an athlete, right
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: to prepare and go out there and perform to the
• 11:05
  Speaker 5: best that we can. Take care of yourself, put yourself
• 11:08
  Speaker 5: in a position to do the best you can for
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  Speaker 5: the best of the team.
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  Speaker 2: And and that's all you can do.
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  Speaker 5: And I think you know, in these situations, I never
• 11:20
  Speaker 5: had any regrets about I mean, obviously you feel for
• 11:22
  Speaker 5: people that get let go or fired, and you know
• 11:25
  Speaker 5: they have families. Like Lance said, but I think you
• 11:30
  Speaker 5: never really have to check look yourself in the mirror
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  Speaker 5: if you're doing everything you can possibly to go out
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  Speaker 5: there and do the best you can for your team.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that that's something that every player needs
• 11:40
  Speaker 5: to make sure that when they look themselves in the mirror,
• 11:42
  Speaker 5: that they're doing all they can for the team, and
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: then you can live with that.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: How about you, Kyle, what's that like being on a
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: team where you know suddenly the ice is melting under
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  Speaker 1: your manager's feet and there's not much you could do
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 4: You better unmute your song.
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  Speaker 2: The headphones got him here we are. This is why
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  Speaker 2: I remember it.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't edit that out, all right, disconnect and come
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  Speaker 1: back on.
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  Speaker 4: He's mad at me.
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  Speaker 3: God, you're out of here. Your day's over.
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  Speaker 6: I'm pulling early. You're pulling your early, kid, You're done.
• 12:22
  Speaker 6: You just don't got it today.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Well, he'll be back, Lance, what's that like?
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  Speaker 1: I mean in the locker room, I know, you said
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: your piece about and Matt said his piece about looking
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: in the mirror, but it's got him suck, right because
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: it's also if you're ten fifteen games under five hundred,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: it's not something that gets fixed in a day, right,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: Like you win six to one and it's not better.
• 12:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I say the one year that we really felt crazy,
• 12:51
  Speaker 6: like I was with Mallitor in Minnesota and Kyle was
• 12:54
  Speaker 6: on my team, and we they we signed a bunch
• 12:56
  Speaker 6: of people that winter and we're like, hey, we got
• 12:58
  Speaker 6: a chance, and we just didn't hit the ground running.
• 13:01
  Speaker 6: We got snowed out for like a week, and it
• 13:03
  Speaker 6: was just like everything that bad could happen kind of happened.
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  Speaker 6: Paul didn't get fired that year, but we knew at
• 13:09
  Speaker 6: the deadline like everyone was gonna get traded. So that
• 13:11
  Speaker 6: was the one where I could feel like, man, we
• 13:15
  Speaker 6: we did not do our job. And like I would say,
• 13:18
  Speaker 6: everyone that got signed that year or that came to
• 13:21
  Speaker 6: Minnesota that year probably had one of the worst years
• 13:23
  Speaker 6: of their career in a weird way, and there's like
• 13:27
  Speaker 6: it's like one of the worst feelings. Like I remember
• 13:29
  Speaker 6: just sitting there as a group trying to you try
• 13:33
  Speaker 6: to get things going. You're like, you're having team meetings,
• 13:35
  Speaker 6: You're like, hey, man, what can we do better? What
• 13:37
  Speaker 6: what's going on? What's everybody feeling? Blah blah blah, And
• 13:40
  Speaker 6: anything you tried didn't work. So it was like a
• 13:45
  Speaker 6: it was a it was a feeling of like hopelessness
• 13:48
  Speaker 6: in a way because everything you tried, and when I
• 13:51
  Speaker 6: mean everything anyone tried did not work that year, and
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  Speaker 6: everyone's like, man, we should be better. We're a better
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  Speaker 6: team than this. We know we're better, and it just
• 13:58
  Speaker 6: didn't work time in and time out. So it was
• 14:01
  Speaker 6: a it was a feeling of just, man, no matter
• 14:04
  Speaker 6: what we tried, it's just not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: And it sucked.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't even know how to explain it, but
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  Speaker 6: that was one of the worst years I had personally,
• 14:12
  Speaker 6: especially to start the year out a better second half,
• 14:14
  Speaker 6: but and I think a lot of people had better
• 14:16
  Speaker 6: second half, which if we had kept the team together,
• 14:18
  Speaker 6: who knows what would happen. But we got in such
• 14:20
  Speaker 6: a bad start that they had to kind of tear
• 14:23
  Speaker 6: it down and then it was weird. At the end
• 14:25
  Speaker 6: of the year, Minnesota was, you know, close to five
• 14:28
  Speaker 6: hundred and we were Everyone that left had pretty good
• 14:31
  Speaker 6: second half, So who knows what would happen if we'd
• 14:33
  Speaker 6: just stayed together.
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: But we had a bad.
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: First stretch April May, and we just couldn't dig ourselves
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: out of as much as we tried before the deadline.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Sometimes the holes a little too deep. Kyle, I'm gonna
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: throw this at you. I see the headphones are gone.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Lance was just talking about your guys time in Minnesota.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: What's that like for a veteran player knowing the team
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: is better than it's performing. But it's not like you're
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: going to go out and rattle off twenty straight wins.
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: First off, Jim, I heard you the whole time. I
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: just heard Lance. I have receipts that when this gets
• 15:11
  Speaker 7: posted and you go off on me saying, hey son,
• 15:15
  Speaker 7: you need on mute yourself, I'm going to post at.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: Them not being muted.
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: All right, All right, you just got stunned by daddy,
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: A right. I think that Jim was your daddy, Kyle.
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: Twenty eighteen was a was a really crazy season for
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: sure for the Twins. You know, we finished seventy eight
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: eighty four, but we traded away eight guys at or
• 15:45
  Speaker 7: before the deadline. We're talking guys like Ryan Presley, Brian Doser,
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: just to name two of them, and I know there
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: was a lot more. Lance was one of them. I mean,
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: I know there was more.
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  Speaker 3: We traded who was it, Zach Dude.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Zach Duke?
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  Speaker 7: Like we traded away difference makers, right and finishing. You know,
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: we were thirteen games out of division, but you know,
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: who knows. I can't remember what we were out of
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: a wildcard, not that far. But yeah, we tore it
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: down and at the time we were only like two
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: games out of the wildcard.
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  Speaker 4: It was kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 7: But what I was going into before Jim accused me
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: of muting myself, which is completely false, was that in
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• 16:34
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• 17:02
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  Speaker 1: All Right, the Cardinals trying to sweep the buckos as
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: we speak, getting ready for a weekend series at home
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: against the Dodgers. Cardinals played really good ball in Pittsburgh
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: after getting swept by a really good Seattle team at home.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I guess that's the ups and downs that come with
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: being a young team. Matt Holliday, I know you follow
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals closely. I'm looking for your unsung hero on
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals this season because I think they're playing beyond
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: most people's expectations, probably yours, maybe mine. But give me
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: an unsung hero guy who you think maybe doesn't get
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: enough credit for helping the Cardinals get to work.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: They are at prest Well.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: First of all, they scored three in the first inning
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: off schemes currently, So Jordan Walker hit another home run
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: just now, So I think, look for me, it's him.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's probably not unsung because I know he's
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: probably getting a lot of attention in Saint Louis for
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: the start that he's off to.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: But having a guy in the middle of your order,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: that is the threat that he's become. I was pretty
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: hard on him.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: I think before the season about it's time to, you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: kind of figure it out. And he seems to have
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: figured it out. And he's got nine home runs, They've
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: been seemingly a lot of big hits, and and when
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: you have somebody like that in the middle of your order,
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: it changes everything around it. So he, for me, as
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: has changed the complexity of their lineup in a lot
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: of ways. And obviously you know, adding JJ Weatherholt and
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: in the kind of the fire and some of the
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: big hits that he's brought. So I think that those
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: two guys you know, from an offensive side, have been
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: and again I'm not sure that they're necessarily unsung, but
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: they've been a big part of what they've been able
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: to do. As far as getting off to this good start.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Well, there's no question that update kind of changes where
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I wanted to go. The thing about Walker Kyle is
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: he got out of the gate really hot, right ton
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: of homers. Then it looked like, all right, the league
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: is adjusting to him. How was he going to adjust back?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And I think prior to today he had like five hits
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: over the previous five games, but hadn't homern in a while.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Now today he homers. That's a good sign that he's
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: able to readjust after the league adjust to him, isn't it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: I was really hoping we were going to go with
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: the Cardinal talk first so that I could get my
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: weather Holt pick in, And he led the game off
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: with a bomb. So I think he's probably I'm not
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: going to say he's my big surprise, but I think
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: he's somebody that has lifted this team and really given
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: them probably as much or more than they ever could
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: have expected. In his first thirty games here, thirty one now.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: But Jordan Lance and I had many conversations along with
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: other players in twenty twenty four. Is that Jordan Walking
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: at Walker and Nolan Gorman were two guys that were
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: really important to this franchise going forward. Gorman's had his struggles,
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: but he's been showing some power. Walker's obviously been off
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: to an amazing start. I think that he's gonna have
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: spurts where he connects to the ball and gets an
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: elevation and drives out of the park. He's gonna have
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: some spurts where he hits his hardline drives and ground balls.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: He's gonna have his spurts where he strikes out. He
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: had a thousand ops to the first twenty games. He
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: might be a thousand ops player. I don't know, maybe
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: he really gets that point. There's not many of those
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: in the game now. If he can be in between
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: eight fifty and nine hundred, he's sitting the nine to
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: twenty right now after the homer. I think that's probably
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: a really, really a good player and a good thing
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: for the Cardinals, and that's where he sits. That's that's
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: pretty close to elite, if not elite. So he's definitely
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: been a surprise. But in this lineup as a whole,
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: as I'm looking up and down, you know, even Mason
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: Wyn who started off slow, he's backed almost the seven
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: hundred oh ps. Like, there's some guys who are really
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: doing well and lifting this team and really allowing some
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: of these comeback wins to happen and sparking some of
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: these comeback whens to happen, and hopefully, you know, Dobbins
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: can have a good one today and be another one
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: of those guys in a trade that maybe becomes one
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: of these unsung heroes that you know, keeps these Cardinals
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: in the playoff talk for a long way into the season.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Coming into the game, schemes had like a two to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: three e r A against the Cardinals, but was zero
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and four. The Cardinals find a way so they get
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to schemes as it stands right now, I want to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about JJ Weatherhold again, Lance,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: because this is a rookie, this is a young man,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: first year in the BIGS.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: He goes home, he's from Pittsburgh.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Some guys are going to get kind of overcome with
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: family coming out of the woodwork. His height school team
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was there someone's got to be the point person for
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the Weatherhole family, and all of a sudden, it's like
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: on you to perform. And this guy is having a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: monster series. He is he is beyond his age in
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: terms of I don't know, wisdom or his his ability
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to perform, perform in big moments.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: Jim, some people at big nuts, and it seems like
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: this kid does. There's really no other way to say it, Like, like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: let's be honest. Opening day, Homer's in Saint Louis, like
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: this is what this is. Why when we talk to
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: Ali about when do you know he was ready? Like
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: all you knew he was ready real quick. It wasn't
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: one of those things where you had to be like
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: you had to figure it out. It was like this
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: kid had it. He knew what he was trying to do,
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: and he knows what he's trying to accomplish day in
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: and day out. You're gonna have your ups and downs
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: in this game. You're gonna go through your streaks, whatever
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: it may be. You know, he had some times where,
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: you know, after the first week or so, and now
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: he's kind of coming back into it. So he's he
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: has everything you need. He has all the intangible. That
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: all he was talking about when we asked him about him. So,
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: you know, I don't think now I think we're starting
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: to he gets to play now instead of hey, I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: trying to prove it, so he gets to go home after.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: I think it kind of worked out well to him.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: He had a month of games under his belt before
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: he got to go home, so that's huge for him.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: And then you get to go home, you get to
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: show off. Some people enjoy that and then some people
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: it might be too much for him. It looks like
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: he uh he enjoys some home cooking and he uh,
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: you know, enjoys everyone out there to see him in
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: his hometown. So that tells you where he's at. He's
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: not afraid of the stage and uh he embraces it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: So and that's exactly what all he said. He was
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: ready for the day one of spring training when he
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: was talking to him. So you know, I think, you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: we found something really good here and if fits well
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: with what they're trying to trying to build around in
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: Saint Louis Holliday.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: What are your what are the things that stand out
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to you about JJ? What impresses you the most about
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: that young guy.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean I saw him back in college at
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: West Virginia, and I've always been impressed with the his
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: ability to drive the ball the other way, UH.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: To use the whole field.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: UH.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: In a day and age where people want people to
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: pull the ball in the air more, which is fine,
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: I still think that there's so much value in guys
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: that can do damage to the off gap makes it
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: much more difficult to pitch to.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: UH.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: They don't strike out as much. They don't make it.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: UH, they don't make as many easy soft outs because
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: they they're willing to stay on the ball longer.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: They're not sold out.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: To try to get the head out to to to
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: try to pull everything. And and so I've always been
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: impressed with that. I think that that's the one thing
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: that I've really liked about him ever since college is
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: UH he's inside and behind the ball.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: He stays behind the ball.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: UH, he can drive it to left center UH and
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: then he can pull off speed pitches. So that makes
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: him a very guy, tough guy to pitch too. And
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: I think that's ultimately what's gonna make him a great hitter,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: is that he keeps the bat and strikes on a
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: long time and and uh and is not easily fooled.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: And I think that that's that's something in today's baseball
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: it not a lot of guys have, and that could
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: be a good separator for him. I think it's worth
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: pointing out Riley O'Brien too, when we talk about unsung heroes.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Maybe I think having a closer U thirty one year
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: old guy uh be able to step up his whips
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: zero point seven eight. Having a closer like that that's
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: come in and done the job, I think it's worth
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: pointing out.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: At least for me.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: I didn't know a lot about Riley O'Brien until last year,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: And you know, I think they kind of counted on
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: standing a little bit to be the closer or jojo
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: or figure out who's going to close games. And to
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: have somebody come in uh and do the job like
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: he's done, I think has been huge for their start.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: I was gonna pick.
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: I love it, man, I love it. I love it
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: when a position player points out a pitcher man just
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: wounds my heart.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Matt, thank you.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Is he's a pain in the ass to pitch you
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: because he's not afraid to go the.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Backside that those guys are the hardest guys to pitch.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: You.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: If you know you're trying to pull everything you know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: you know where you can go. So he does things
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: that are hard to pitch too, and that's going to
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: make him be able to sustain success in the major leagues.
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  Speaker 4: Tot homer next?
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  Speaker 7: I think I think I'm gonna roll with the young guy.
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna roll with JJ.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: I just had a chance to watch this swing just now, man.
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  Speaker 7: Confidence swinging confidence stood up on it. It didn't go
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: into the alleg but holy smokes he hit that ball well,
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: So I think on the weekend, uh, JJ weatherholds a
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  Speaker 7: guy against some of these rities, uh and the Dodger starters.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: I think he's gonna leave the yard bush, how about you, Lance?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: So we think are we counting them later today? We
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: might get another one today? Yes?
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Is that where we're going? I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: go Gorman today. Later in this game. I think he's
• 28:25
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• 28:28
  Speaker 6: when they're down by six.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I like it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And Gorman, by the way, for those keeping score at
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: home in runs above average defensively at third base, I
• 28:39
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• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I like Gorman.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: How about you Holiday, who's gonna homer?
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, good grief in a game Paul Skeens is pitching,
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: we're trying to predict another homer in this game. I mean,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: I think it's a big of a bit of a stretch.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: And you guys just named like this three times. You
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: haven't given me many options. I'll go Herrera, how about
• 29:03
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory final segment and the Cardinals,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: once they get done in Pittsburgh, hopefully completing the sweep,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: they'll be taking on the Dodgers. I'm trying to think.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with Kyle Gibson here. Kyle, tell me
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: what you think about the Dodgers is are they just
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: gonna keep running the table? I mean, the Cardinals are lucky,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: by the way, because they're not catching the front part
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of the rotation. They're kind of catching the middle part,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: so they get they get lucky they get Shian Sasaki
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and Robe Leski. They're not getting in front of it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: But what do you think about the Dodgers. Is are
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: there gonna be any choppy waters for them at any point?
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think they're coming off a series lost Jim,
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: so yeah, they just lost the Marlins. I mean, we
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: could be I think for the Cardinal's sake, For the
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Cardinal sake, I would love to see it be two
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: series in a row. And maybe this is the choppy
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: part that the Dodgers go through here at the beginning
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: of May. Yes, they will go through a choppy part.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: I don't think, you know, at twenty and eleven, I
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: don't think they're gonna win one hundred and fifteen and
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: go forty whatever.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't think.
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: I don't think that's gonna happen one hundred and fifteen
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: and fifty one or whatever that math works out to be.
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: So no, I mean, I think I think every team
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: goes through struggles. I think the Cardinals, who are playing
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: really well, are coming up against probably a pretty hungry
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: Dodgers team coming into Bush Stadium. So yeah, it could be. Uh,
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: it could be a little interesting. But I really like
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: how the Cardinals are are swinging the bat. They had
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: a couple of ers yesterday, but they work through it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: I like how they're throwing the ball. I like their bullpen.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: I know stank and a couple of guys have been struggling,
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: but I really like where the Cardinals are playing and
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: how the Dodgers just lost a series here. So yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: I would I would look for the Cardinal pitching to
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: maybe quiet the bats again and see if they could
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: get another series win here.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I just like that the Cardinals, you know, being young,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and there's gonna be you know, some mistakes here, there's
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: gonna be some rough stuff around the edges. Lance they
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I guarantee they're they're gonna be psyched up for this series.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like they get intimidated by anybody.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, doll, I think you're looking at the positive when
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  Speaker 6: when you have a young team is they're winning games
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  Speaker 6: in a lot of different ways, whether it's hey, we're
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: gonna play defense and we're gonna win by one low
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  Speaker 6: scoring or the other day they put up eleven, like
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  Speaker 6: they're starting to figure out different ways to win games
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  Speaker 6: instead of saying, hey, we need to have a miraculous
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  Speaker 6: comeback late in the game too, Right, they're starting to
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  Speaker 6: get ahead.
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  Speaker 3: They're starting to build on those leads.
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  Speaker 6: When they get ahead, their offense or their defenses holding them,
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  Speaker 6: pitchings holding them. So that's the fun start or the
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  Speaker 6: fun stuff. As you watch games, it's, hey, it's easy
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  Speaker 6: to win games when everything goes perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 6: They're starting to win games and do things in a
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  Speaker 6: lot of different varieties, and you're gonna have to do
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: that as the year goes on, whether your pitching's not
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: doing one's supposed to. Defense you know, has a has
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: a couple of airs that day, but you pick them
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  Speaker 6: up in another way, or hey, offense isn't scoring more
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: than three runs in the last four or five games,
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: But hey, we're winning because we're pitching and playing defense.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the beauty of baseball.
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  Speaker 6: But that's the beauty of this group is they can
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  Speaker 6: play defense, they can get on base, they can do
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  Speaker 6: some things. They can pitch the ball when they need to.
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  Speaker 6: So it's a fun, fun vibe, right, And that's what
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  Speaker 6: we kind of hope that was going to come. We
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: knew they were talented, but how are they going to
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  Speaker 6: put all these things together? Because you didn't know what
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: you were going to get day in and day out,
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  Speaker 6: But day in and day out, they're figuring how to
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  Speaker 6: win with what they have that day. And that's the
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  Speaker 6: fun thing that I see because it's not always going
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  Speaker 6: to be perfect. You're always gonna be able to get
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  Speaker 6: your a swing off, You're always going to have your
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  Speaker 6: best stuff on the mound, But how can I figure
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  Speaker 6: out how to win the game? And that group is
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: buying into that, always got them buying into that. The
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  Speaker 6: coaching staff hasn't buying into that. Whatever we have today,
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: let's figure out how to win it. And I think,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: like you said, they're going to come with some energy
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  Speaker 6: because they are playing the Dodgers. They get the Dodgers
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  Speaker 6: back half of the rotation, so that should be huge
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  Speaker 6: for the boys. And then now it's like, hey, the
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: rotation's got to quiet the guys.
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  Speaker 3: They need to quiet.
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  Speaker 6: They play good defense, and let's see if we can
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  Speaker 6: win two out of three, be a fun little win.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. You know, it's a huge series if they
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: can win too out of three.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things, Matt, that I've seen a lot
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  Speaker 1: recently is that the coaching staff prepares these guys. They
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: pick up on tells, like they know when a pitcher,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you know, you can steal off them, or a catcher
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: is a little slow, you know, getting rid of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: It does seem like the Cardinals every game have an
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: edge on the other team's tells.
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  Speaker 4: Have you seen that?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, look, they have great baseball people working
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: on their staff. I mean we've played with JJ and
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: and Scals and obviously Ali and uh no Ali.
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  Speaker 2: Really well, I mean this it's a hard work working
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  Speaker 2: group of people.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I I don't know all their guys that well,
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  Speaker 5: but and knowing and knowing those guys, I'm not surprised.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, those are great baseball people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think that all the staffs in Major League
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Baseball spent a ton of time, and everybody's got analytics team,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: and they've got they've got people watching for tails, They've
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: got people looking for pitchers tendencies or maybe grips or
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: what they can see from second base or you know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: guy comes to set, you know if is he doing
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  Speaker 5: something different on different pitches.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's going on league wide.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I obviously I think the Cardinals do a
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: good job with it, but I think that everybody is
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: looking for an advantage and and so there's there's certainly
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: some some cat and mouse going on with guys looking
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: for for things like that. But I think all in all,
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  Speaker 5: you can't really rely on that kind of stuff. Look,
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  Speaker 5: you have to go out and execute baseball. I mean,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: you can't rely on on you know, tails or no
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  Speaker 5: one pitches are coming. Obviously, if you get something, it's great,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, like they were talking about earlier,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: you have to go out and the starting pitcher has
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: to give you a chance to keep you in the game.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: You have to get hits with runners on base, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: you have to have a bullpen that can come in
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  Speaker 5: and close the door. And that's how you win games
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  Speaker 5: in the big leagues. And if they can continue to
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: to do that, then they'll stay right where they're at,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: you know. I think for us, you know, leading up
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  Speaker 5: to this season, there was just a lot of question
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  Speaker 5: marks on whether this was you know, that they could
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: hold this one hundred and sixty two games and what
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: that looks like come September. I think that's where you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers, you talk about the depth of their roster,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: They're gonna have ups and downs. They're gonna have skids
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: where they don't play great, but when it comes down
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  Speaker 5: to it, they're probably gonna win between ninety one hundred games,
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: maybe a little bit more, maybe a little bit, you know,
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  Speaker 5: probably more. But they have, they have experience, They have
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: a good roster depth, They have guys that can come
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  Speaker 5: up from Triple A, they can fill in when guys
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: go down, so they have they have what it takes,
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: and then they kind of pace themselves to be ready
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: and healthy going into the playoffs. And that's what the
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: advantage of having all the talent that they have is
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: is that you know, they can hold guys out maybe
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: a little bit longer than normal, just to get them
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent healthy, knowing that they need their innings
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: or they're at bats come September and October. So I
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: think that the Cardinals just have to keep executing good
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  Speaker 5: baseball and see what happens.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Cards Dodgers this week in at Bush Stadium should be great, gentlemen,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: great job. Today was a fun show, and you guys
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: are all tremendous. I don't know where this stuff about
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Ahole came out that Lance was talking about. You're all
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: great and that's going to do it for this addition
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of cardinal territory. We'll see you next time. Hopefully that
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: episode won't suck.