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Scott Bigos of CheeseParade - The Meta · Bug Hive with Benny Feldman

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  What's up, dog?
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  >> What's up, dude?
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  >> How you doing, man?
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  >> I'm amazing.
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  >> You have beautiful eyes.
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  >> Thanks, dude. [laughter]
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  >> That's what you've been saving for the
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  pod.
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  >> As we've been hanging out, you're like,
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  I'm not going to tell him his eyes are
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  beautiful. Wait till we're on camera.
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  >> Yeah, we've been hanging out for kind of
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  two days.
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  >> Yeah,
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  >> it's uh what's funny cuz now everybody
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  else that I have on the pod, the fact
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  that I don't say to them, it's sort of a
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  >> what's that? Um lack of positive comment
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  is a negative thing or whatever.
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  >> Um a compliment not given as an insult.
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  >> That's right. Everybody else has been on
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  the pod has dog [ __ ] eyes.
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  >> No, but it's only because [laughter]
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  the compliment wasn't there. Listen, I
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  bought this color hoodie.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Because it matches my eyes.
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  >> Yeah. They're like a nice dark green.
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  >> It was a
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  >> I also have the
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  >> intentional.
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  >> You're here at a time where we've got
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  kind of like a really great natural
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  sunlight coming in.
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  >> Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  >> Just to be polite to the other people.
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  I'm like, "No, no, no. It's not
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  [laughter]
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  >> I can tell that the thing slowly rotated
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  to the left. The whole the whole pot's
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  going to be slightly diagonal to the
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  left.
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  >> That's okay. Hello. Justin, I'm going to
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  present you as a gift with this tiny
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  cheese man as a thank you for having me
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  on here.
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  >> Thank you, man. I appreciate that.
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  Folks, if you don't know who Cheeseman
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  is, uh, or who Scott Beigos is, uh, my
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  guest this week is, uh, Scott Beigos of
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  Cheese Parade. I'm rip this open.
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  >> Yeah, dude.
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  >> Hell yeah, dude. Thank you.
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  >> It's a nice little plush. Pretty high
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  quality, actually.
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  >> These are not actually for sale, too.
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  So, this isn't even like a
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  >> So, so Scott and I
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  >> somewhere
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  >> Scott and I know each other from uh
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  Philadelphia.
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  >> Uh we were both
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  >> we lived like a block from each other.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  >> In Manunk. Um
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  >> I Yeah, we'll [ __ ] talk about Manio,
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  dude. [laughter]
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  >> Dude, we were at a party
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  >> and the conversations were kind of
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  boring and then you say then you said,
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  "What do you all think about blackface?"
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  >> Did I really?
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  >> You did say that.
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  >> That's funny.
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  >> And it was just to make the conversation
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  more interesting. [laughter] And I was
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  like, I like this guy.
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  >> And then and then we were [ __ ] locked
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  in. And then we were like, oh, we both
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  live close to each other. Then we Ubered
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  from the party and it was like, hell
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  yeah, dude. And then
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  >> it's like 2018.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Uh yeah, we found And then Yeah. We just
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  kept hanging and we were like we
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  realized we were both into Smash
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  Brothers. Wait, I'm going to give a
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  little more context of Scott who Scott
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  is now though. Also, uh Scott is part of
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  a sketch group cheese parade and you've
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  almost certainly seen it. Yeah, it is.
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  It is slowly falling. Yeah,
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  >> we fixed it.
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  >> Is back, baby. New York's back. Yes.
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  Scott's uh and this is the mascot of
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  >> cheese parade.
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  >> Cheese parade is the cheese man.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> And they're going great, man. Okay. I
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  feel like that's is that all that's Yes.
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  That's the main stuff.
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  >> That's the main like of who I am. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I'm like a film Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I was like a
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  >> like a film student, film guy. um wasn't
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  really into movies much, but like I I
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  went to film school and then kind of
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  like used that as a way to channel
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  comedy, you know, didn't really relate
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  to the other film students because they
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  all loved movies so much.
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  >> You were more into like sketch comedy.
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  >> Yeah. Well, I was more into like um
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  >> or just like comedy movies.
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  >> Some people No, no, no. Some people,
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  film students, some film people, they
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  just love movies so much that that's all
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  they can think about and make movies. So
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  it's like what are you even going to
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  make a movie about,
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  >> you know, other than making movies,
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  >> right?
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  >> Film is just a medium through which you
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  channel something else. So it was like
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  I'm a comedian and film is just a thing
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  I have to use,
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  >> right?
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  >> It's like I it's not like it's it's just
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  this tool that I need to learn.
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  >> You just got to learn how the camera
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  works and
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  >> Yeah. And like about how to set up shots
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  for like the funniest possible ways and
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  all that stuff. It's it's a fun tool to
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  use, but it is like that's definitely
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  like the origin story of like, oh, I can
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  This is something I if I get good at, I
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  can channel comedy through it, you know.
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  >> Yes. And I And it's working, baby. So,
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  well, hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  >> I'm gonna come back to Okay. So, then we
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  real So, we realized we live near each
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  other. Yeah.
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  >> We started playing uh Smash Brothers and
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  stuff.
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  >> Yes.
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  >> But then we also realized that we talk
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  about comedy and Smash Brothers in
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  similar ways. The idea of the meta.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  >> Uh and this is Okay. So, the idea of the
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  meta Okay. Meta comedy means usually
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  when people say meta comedy they mean
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  like uh comedy that is like breaking the
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  fourth wall or referencing itself.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> But when we're talking about meta in
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  this space we're talking about more like
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  um
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  >> the game within the game.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  >> That's what we're talking about.
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  >> In the in the space of Smash Brothers,
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  how would you describe it? Maybe also um
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  like more video game meta.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. in the in the video
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  game meta. It's um it's just like little
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  things that normal people might not even
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  see as happening.
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  >> Um in a in a Super Smash Brothers
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  fighting game thing, it's like um every
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  time they do this move, every time I do
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  this move, they shields. Therefore, I'm
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  going to pretend like I'm going to do
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  this move and then actually grab them,
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  which counters the shield. And there's
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  just like uh and then the other person
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  sees that and then they're like, "Oh,
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  they're pretending to do this when I do
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  this, so now I'm gonna do this."
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  >> Right.
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  >> And then that's like a whole game that's
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  being played that normal people are not
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  even aware of.
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  >> Right. Right. Or or even even to begin
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  with like um
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  >> I guess it's like it's top level
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  strategies behind the scenes that aren't
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  necessarily
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  >> part of the main thing. Yes. So it's
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  like even character choice. Yeah. where
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  it's like there's a there's a meta
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  thing. Um, and I think a lot of people
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  in the video game space are like
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  extremely aware of video game meta where
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  they're like, "Oh, that character is
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  bad."
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  >> Right. Right. Right.
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  >> And like you shouldn't pick that
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  character. Um, or in the space of other
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  games, it's like Overwatch or something.
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  You ever play like a game where it's
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  like a a team where it's like um
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Splatoon is is
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  that is the Nintendo version of that. So
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  yeah, four players shoot. You pick
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  different weapons. So there's different
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  weapons that are better in the meta. And
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  the meta is also something that can
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  change too.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Like so it's like the current meta is
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  this, but then somebody kind of comes up
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  with a new strategy that breaks that and
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  now another thing is is popular. So yes,
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  >> that's really cool.
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  >> Something interesting about Overwatch um
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  I think that I don't I'm not really
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  playing that that much anymore these
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  days. I feel like they maybe [ __ ] it
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  up a bit, but um the meta of that it's
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  like okay, you've got your attack
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  characters, you've got your healing
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  characters, you got your tank
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  characters. And uh people would kind of
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  the meta would be which ones of those in
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  what ratio and then the developers
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  codified that meta and you had to pick
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  yes
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  >> two of
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  >> I remember when they when they did that
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  and I thought that was really
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  interesting and also
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  >> I wasn't sure how to feel about it cuz
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  it is weird for the developers to try to
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  impose
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  >> no this is what the game is supposed to
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  be.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. instead of letting it be
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  what it what it becomes, you know?
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  >> Um,
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  >> I'm I'm always a fan of
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  >> I'm always a fan of not imposing like
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  bans or anything like that. Like in
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  Super Smash Brothers Melee, cuz it's an
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  old game, they can't update it. People
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  want to like ban certain moves or
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  characters. And I'm always a fan of
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  like, well, let's let's like I really
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  want to see if people can come up with a
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  counter because that's exciting to me.
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  >> Yeah. It's so exciting to not use the
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  most popular thing,
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  >> right?
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  >> It's so exciting to not use what's the
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  most powerful and just and theory
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  crafting. That's what that theory
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  crafting is what gets me going, which is
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  just like sitting around and thinking
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  about
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  >> possible strategies in anything, not
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  even just gaming, but like
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  >> Well, that that's sort of my exact point
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  is like we re we were talking about how
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  it was like true for gaming. Yeah. and
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  they were like, "Oh, this is something
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  that you can apply to uh the dating apps
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  or you can apply to doing comedy or
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  whatever or posting comedy videos." And
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  so I think um we actually had I think
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  maybe in like 2019
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  >> we had planned to
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  >> uh do some sort of thing where we talked
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  about the meta but then co happened.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, you were talking about
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  having like different people in
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  different fields just to explain the
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  meta of their fields. And I would just
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  do sketch, but like then you would get
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  somebody for each.
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  >> I was going to do like a new I was
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  >> Yeah, that was like an idea that you
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  had. Yeah.
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  >> I don't know. It was a little too
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  [laughter]
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  >> I don't know, a little too little too um
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  >> I don't know, head high type idea.
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  >> I think um I think describing it as top
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  level strategy that that can be ignored,
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  >> right?
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  >> So that's that's what separates it. Like
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  you can play Super Smash Brothers in a
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  certain way. You can go on dates and not
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  be thinking about a lot of like stuff,
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  but or you can think about it a lot
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  more, right? And like and my example is
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  always like someone who just like goes
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  to dinner
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  >> and sits across from them and does all
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  of the generic date stuff is not like in
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  my opinion they're not optimizing
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  [laughter] the meta of dating cuz I'm
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  like no no you have to sit at a bar so
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  that she can show you with her body
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  language how turned in she is you know
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  like or going to a park and like giving
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  opportunities for her to show body
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  language is like like it's it's playing
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  that kind of um kind of game instead of
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  being like I'm just going to do what
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  everyone does.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or it's it's the it's
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  like the like the idea of like um and I
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  think a lot of people are subconsciously
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  engaging with meta strategies on
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  different stuff without necessarily
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  outright calling it where they're like
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  oh they're like oh you got to be liking
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  people's stories right?
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  >> You know what I they're like, "Oh,
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  that's a clear flirt signal." Right? And
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  and people will talk about it in that
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  way. But you can also just like
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  someone's stories without thinking of
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  like, "Oh, this is within a uh a type of
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  pattern that people are doing these
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  days." You can just be like just be a a
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  hoardy dog going like
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> without necessarily being excited about
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  the mere idea of having a strategy which
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  is what which is I almost like thinking
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  about it and more than doing it. That's
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  like it's fun to
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  >> Yes. Yes. And would you see this part
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  too? the um talking about it as a
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  strategy can be um can be cringe a
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  little bit or it can be like
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  >> oh it seems insane insane that seems
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  like an um there's an ick element
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  >> especially in dating
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  >> right because that seems that seems
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  >> sociopathic yeah yeah but it's also but
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  it's also like no you're aware of
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  patterns and it's also logical
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  especially what I'm saying I'm not
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  saying you're it's never saying like if
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  you do this then she will do this it's
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  saying give her a chance to express how
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  she feels Yeah. [laughter] By the way,
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  we're saying she from a heteronormative
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  self-projecting idea.
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  >> Um
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  >> or or he if Scott changes his mind in
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  the future.
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  >> This is filmed in 2025, so as of now,
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  still straight.
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  >> But uh yeah. So
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  >> yeah. No, as long I think as long it it
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  can come off that way. Um if you if your
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  strategies are [ __ ] insane, but
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  >> Right. Right. Or Yeah. or if you if you
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  think it's like a guaranteed you think
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  it's an input machine of
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  >> yes if you're trying if you think you're
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  going to get something but really the
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  meta is to get information is to learn
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  more is to set yourself up to learn as
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  much as possible. Yeah,
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  >> that's what you're really trying to do.
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  or it's also like there's clear obvious
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  things that you can set yourself up for
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  failure where it's like um people talk
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  about the idea I mean people talk about
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  these things where it's like oh is going
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  on a movie on a first date a good idea
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  or a bad idea they do
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  >> because it's like well do you get to
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  talk or you not get to talk and it's
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  like well you are meta gaming
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  >> yeah yeah
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  >> date right exactly what I mean yeah
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  exactly yeah so it is it does exist on
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  that level
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  >> right
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  >> especially
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  conscious versus subconscious meta
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  gaming Mhm.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> It's interesting. And how's it how how
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  does it relate back to sketch comedy? I
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  would say
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  >> from how we've talked about it.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> I mean, I'll give you a chance to answer
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  first, but I also
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  >> Well, what what do you Yeah.
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  >> The two paths of both the comedy content
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  itself as well as the uh the content
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  strategy type stuff. Um, and I think a
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  lot of people really hate the idea of
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  content strategy as a
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  >> They do. They do.
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  >> It's valid.
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  >> It is valid. It is valid. Um the
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  I I've started it's it's become one with
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  me now.
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  >> I um
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  just when I think of an idea
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  I know how I've almost come to embrace
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  it. I to I've embraced needing the
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  opening shot to be interesting. I've
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  embraced needing the first 3 seconds to
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  be a hook of some kind because
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  ultimately if it's a good idea then you
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  can you can structure in a way that
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  works
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  >> right
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  >> within the within that uh within that
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  structure that'll work in the algorithm.
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  So like
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  >> yeah um like the biggest lessons that I
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  learned were you know cutting from the
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  beginning getting right into the sketch.
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  This is like stuff that you learn, but I
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  I definitely don't think you should try
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  to come up with sketches that would be
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  good for the
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  >> Yeah. Do not think that way. Yeah.
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  [laughter]
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  Like don't do that. Which side are you
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  letting lead? It's like some like I
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  think it's it's wrong to
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  >> have it
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  >> like look bad and sound bad and have the
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  captions be bad and not have the right
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  hook up front because you want it to do
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  well online.
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  >> But it's wrong to write a sketch that
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  you think will do well online because
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  that's crazy. That's like you you want
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  to make content that you like. Yeah.
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  >> And it's like and sorry to use the word
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  sorry to say the word content. Sorry.
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  Sorry.
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  >> There's sketches. [laughter] Uh it's
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  art. Um
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  >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you want to
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  figure out how to package that art for
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  >> that's what it is. It's packaging it in
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  a in a way that works and you come to
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  embrace it in the sense of like, you
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  know,
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  >> it is cool that this sketch starts
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  really quickly.
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  >> Yeah, [laughter]
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  >> it is. It's kind of cool that it that as
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  soon as you get into it, you're like
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  hooked into it.
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  >> So, um so you start to embrace those
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  elements, but yeah, you definitely want
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  to think of sketches
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  first completely differently. The only
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  problem with sketch comedy specifically
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  is sometimes you want to set a normal
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  tone so that you can twist it and you
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  can't really do that. And I just
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  recently made a sketch where it's a
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  commercial for LSD. It's a commercial
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  for psychedelics. And it worked on
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  Instagram and Facebook cuz it got shared
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  a lot, but it didn't work at all on
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  YouTube and Tik Tok because the opening
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  image is just a mom saying, "When you
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  have kids, it can be hard to keep the
• 14:54
  house clean." People literally think
• 14:55
  it's a commercial
• 14:57
  >> and people it's not interesting,
• 14:59
  >> right?
• 15:00
  >> Um so they're just going to swipe up.
• 15:02
  But I needed to set the tone of like
• 15:06
  this is just a regular commercial. Oh
• 15:08
  yeah.
• 15:08
  >> And then it's funny when you twist it.
• 15:10
  And I actually did consider starting the
• 15:12
  sketch five seconds later to when she
• 15:16
  says that's why I use psychedelics
• 15:18
  >> for that to be the first line. That is a
• 15:20
  better hook objectively. Um,
• 15:22
  >> but it loses meaning.
• 15:24
  >> It loses the whole thing starts to fall
• 15:26
  apart. It It's like
• 15:27
  >> because then a kid shows up later and we
• 15:29
  didn't establish that she had a kid. Why
• 15:31
  is there dirt all over her kitchen?
• 15:32
  Because we didn't establish the kid
• 15:34
  running through the kitchen, right? And
• 15:35
  also just the tone of this is a
• 15:37
  commercial makes the rest of it better.
• 15:39
  >> So like I decided to stick with
• 15:43
  >> that. This was an example where I
• 15:44
  decided to stick with the artistic view
• 15:47
  over the algorithmic view. And it did
• 15:49
  luckily still work on Instagram because
• 15:52
  people shared it and that sharing
• 15:55
  overcomes algorithm because
• 15:57
  [clears throat] that's real virality
• 15:59
  >> is the algorithm.
• 16:01
  >> The algorith
• 16:02
  on on Instagram maybe a little more so
• 16:04
  >> like like if somebody shares it that
• 16:06
  tells the algorithm hey people are this
• 16:08
  is good enough that people will share it
• 16:10
  so show it to more people. That's true.
• 16:11
  Um, well, coming back though, uh, oh,
• 16:14
  um, this idea of the hook up top,
• 16:16
  there's this thing with like, um, songs
• 16:18
  these days have switched the they put
• 16:21
  like the catchiest like part up top
• 16:24
  because it needs to go viral on like Tik
• 16:27
  Tok or Spotify or whatever. And that
• 16:29
  could be good for some songs and
• 16:31
  sometimes of music, but it has um forced
• 16:34
  it has like bottlenecked a lot of music
• 16:36
  to be a certain structure. Yeah. Um, and
• 16:39
  maybe that's true for sketch comedy as
• 16:40
  well. And you were something I thought
• 16:41
  you were saying was interesting is like
• 16:43
  um this is true for shorts and stuff.
• 16:46
  >> Yeah.
• 16:46
  >> Um but I remembered you mentioning that
• 16:48
  then in a longer form thing once you get
• 16:50
  enough people from that you can then do
• 16:53
  a more interesting longer form thing.
• 16:55
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Long form long form allows
• 16:57
  you to not be stuck in that algorithm
• 16:59
  basically. So like for example in the
• 17:01
  psychedelics commercial that works
• 17:03
  better in a long form because I already
• 17:05
  have I don't have to worry about that
• 17:06
  hook at the beginning being a problem
• 17:08
  and [clears throat]
• 17:10
  >> basically you have more leeway in that
• 17:13
  sense where you can spend 5 to 10
• 17:16
  seconds being setting a normal tone and
• 17:20
  before you start doing the comedic
• 17:22
  twists
• 17:23
  >> and that's nice for comedy for sketch
• 17:25
  comedy especially especially the kind of
• 17:27
  sketch comedy I like to do which is I
• 17:29
  like to I like to pretend that it's
• 17:33
  something else. I don't I don't I don't
• 17:35
  want you to think like, oh, I'm watching
• 17:36
  a sketch. I want you to think, oh, I'm
• 17:38
  watching a movie trailer, you know, but
• 17:41
  it's a silly one, you know? So, like, I
• 17:43
  want it to look and feel like something
• 17:44
  else. So, a lot of times in a So, if in
• 17:48
  longer form compilation stuff, you just
• 17:49
  get a little more leeway to set that
• 17:51
  tone of like this is a real serious
• 17:54
  thing. And sometimes sometimes when
• 17:57
  you're watching
• 17:59
  longer form sketch comedy in a
• 18:01
  compilation type form, uh sometimes the
• 18:06
  beginning before the joke comes in, it's
• 18:08
  funny like I there's a group Birthday
• 18:11
  Boys they do they make the kind of
• 18:13
  sketches that I like. Um
• 18:15
  >> and yeah, they'll just do stuff where
• 18:17
  like the joke isn't even in like the
• 18:19
  first minute. It's just them kind of
• 18:22
  like setting the tone, but they're so
• 18:23
  good at setting the tone that I'm
• 18:25
  already laughing because I'm like,
• 18:27
  they're just nailing this so hard.
• 18:29
  They're not even making fun of it. The
• 18:31
  only reason they're making fun of it is
• 18:33
  cuz I know that they're comedians. Yeah.
• 18:35
  >> But they're actually just mimicking this
• 18:37
  perfectly. And I don't even care what
• 18:39
  the twist is, no matter what it is, it's
• 18:40
  going to be funny because they're
• 18:42
  nailing the the tone so perfectly.
• 18:45
  >> That's cool.
• 18:45
  >> You know, like Yeah. just like, oh, this
• 18:48
  is a documentary about guys who leave
• 18:50
  their job and like travel across America
• 18:52
  and like the twist ends up being that
• 18:54
  they're just visiting all these chain
• 18:55
  restaurants across America. [laughter]
• 18:57
  But for the beginning of it, it's just
• 18:59
  like
• 18:59
  >> it seems
• 19:00
  >> it's just like this is a documentary
• 19:02
  where guys try and like that is such a
• 19:04
  funny thing to make fun of already that
• 19:06
  like it's already funny even though
• 19:07
  there's no jokes and
• 19:08
  >> yeah interesting. It's like It's like
• 19:10
  when The Onion has a certain
• 19:11
  [clears throat] headline that's like not
• 19:12
  quite um Yeah.
• 19:13
  >> like that out out there, but you're like
• 19:15
  because you know it's the Onion, you're
• 19:16
  like, "Oh, that's [ __ ] hilarious."
• 19:18
  >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:19
  >> [ __ ] [ __ ]
• 19:20
  >> What how would you describe the tone of
• 19:22
  your stuff? [clears throat]
• 19:23
  >> Um
• 19:24
  >> and parody a lot of it. But
• 19:26
  >> yeah, that's a good question. Um a lot
• 19:29
  of it's like different. Yeah. From I try
• 19:31
  to keep every
• 19:32
  >> There's stuff that's like different from
• 19:34
  each other. I've done I've done a few
• 19:35
  different tones. Yeah.
• 19:36
  >> Yeah. Trope and character gag a lot.
• 19:38
  Tropes are the best. I love tropes. I
• 19:41
  love starting with a trope and then
• 19:43
  doing something different with it. Like
• 19:45
  I I brought up fake movie trailers. We
• 19:47
  got a bunch of those. Those are always
• 19:49
  fun. Um yeah. What's the tone? I don't
• 19:52
  know. Sometimes it's like absurd
• 19:54
  dreamlike. Oh, um liveaction
• 19:56
  interdimensional cable,
• 19:58
  >> right? [laughter]
• 19:58
  >> That's what it is. That's what it is. Uh
• 20:00
  Robot Chicken was one of my first
• 20:02
  inspirations. Interesting. Yeah. Um,
• 20:04
  like back in high school, I I my idea
• 20:06
  was like, oh, I want to make like a
• 20:08
  liveaction Robot Chicken where it's like
• 20:10
  short, really short sketches, but it's
• 20:12
  live action. And this was like before
• 20:14
  then Rick and Morty did their
• 20:15
  interdimensional cable. And yeah, I like
• 20:18
  that. I like um
• 20:19
  >> I remember you mentioning
• 20:20
  >> that's kind of what it is.
• 20:21
  >> This this thing of like you're like both
• 20:23
  characters should be weird.
• 20:24
  >> Yeah,
• 20:25
  >> that's an interestingly Yeah.
• 20:26
  >> Yeah, that's something I've thought
• 20:27
  about a lot. I when I'm watching a
• 20:29
  sketch and it's like somebody being
• 20:32
  weird. It's a weird guy being weird. Um
• 20:35
  and then everyone else in the sketch is
• 20:37
  like what what I kind of my brain starts
• 20:41
  to just I just get bored of it. I don't
• 20:43
  know. My brain starts to just be like
• 20:44
  yeah like oh I know everything the
• 20:46
  normal person's going to say. But then
• 20:47
  it's like I I generally don't like
• 20:49
  making sketches like that. Those
• 20:50
  sketches can be funny by the way. Like
• 20:52
  I'm not trying to hate on people who do
• 20:54
  that, but
• 20:56
  it's really I like to make everybody
• 20:58
  weird. I [laughter] I I like when the
• 21:00
  world is weird. Like we're showing the
• 21:03
  world. We're showing you everyone's in
• 21:05
  on it.
• 21:05
  >> And you were saying you like you like to
• 21:06
  have it be like grounded and like it's
• 21:09
  not camp, it's like it's very like um
• 21:11
  >> or maybe it's camp, but maybe it's like
• 21:14
  okay if somebody's a wizard. Yeah.
• 21:15
  >> You don't want them to be like I'm a
• 21:16
  wizard. You want them to be like I'm a
• 21:18
  wizard.
• 21:18
  >> Yeah.
• 21:19
  >> You want to like play it real.
• 21:20
  >> Totally. Yes. actually. And like related
• 21:24
  to that, it's like I like um I want
• 21:26
  actors more than I want comedic actors,
• 21:29
  >> you know? I don't I don't want like
• 21:31
  comedians being silly.
• 21:33
  >> I want dead [ __ ] serious actors. And
• 21:35
  I was saying that about Naked Gun.
• 21:37
  Naked. Yeah.
• 21:37
  >> The new Naked Gun is really good cuz
• 21:39
  it's serious actors saying insane stuff.
• 21:42
  And like that makes it funnier. Yeah.
• 21:44
  Like if you're parodying a football
• 21:48
  movie halftime speech, it's less funny
• 21:52
  if the guy doing it is a comedian,
• 21:54
  >> right?
• 21:54
  >> It's less funny. It's way funnier if
• 21:56
  he's like a real actor
• 21:58
  >> cuz then everything that he said, you're
• 22:00
  really expecting him to say serious
• 22:01
  stuff and then the funny stuff is
• 22:03
  funnier.
• 22:04
  >> I can't stand when I see uh comedians
• 22:07
  and comedic actors in roles. It's such a
• 22:10
  like producer brain thing of like, well,
• 22:12
  it's comedy, therefore bring funny
• 22:14
  person in. And it's like, no, they're
• 22:16
  just reading lines and being a
• 22:17
  character. Like, they're not using their
• 22:19
  comedic skills at all.
• 22:20
  >> Oh, yeah.
• 22:21
  >> Their face is actually detracting from
• 22:23
  this.
• 22:24
  >> I think another example that really
• 22:25
  always annoyed me was the show Drunk
• 22:26
  History.
• 22:27
  >> Oh, interesting.
• 22:28
  >> Drunk History always got comedic actors
• 22:31
  um to be in the roles to to do like the
• 22:34
  reenactments,
• 22:34
  >> but they they should be doing the
• 22:36
  >> They should have gotten real Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:38
  Yeah,
• 22:38
  >> like it's good to have them do the
• 22:39
  narration but the people
• 22:41
  >> but the in reactants that that should
• 22:42
  have been real actors all time. I'm
• 22:44
  adamant about that. It it annoyed me so
• 22:47
  much just the choice because it's like
• 22:49
  you got Jack Black to just
• 22:51
  >> do the voice over here or do like the
• 22:54
  that that show has people talking and
• 22:56
  then they're like lip-syncing it
• 22:58
  >> and it's like that could have been
• 22:59
  anybody like
• 23:00
  >> right
• 23:00
  >> why are you just because we've laughed
• 23:02
  at him before you expect me to laugh
• 23:04
  now? You know, like
• 23:05
  >> Jack Jack Black is saying the funny
• 23:06
  thing. This guy is voice mimming Jack
• 23:09
  Black's mouth. He should be a good actor
• 23:12
  who's like
• 23:14
  should be a puppet.
• 23:14
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
• 23:17
  >> That's puppeting,
• 23:18
  >> right?
• 23:18
  >> That's That's puppeteering.
• 23:19
  >> That's puppeteering.
• 23:20
  >> And we get on the We By the way, what
• 23:21
  the hell? You got a damn puppet.
• 23:23
  >> And also,
• 23:24
  >> I make puppets. I made this one. And I
• 23:26
  made I made a bunch of costumes.
• 23:28
  >> Puppets are the new meta.
• 23:29
  >> Yeah, dude. Puppets are amazing.
• 23:31
  Everyone loves puppets.
• 23:32
  >> This is my new content strategy.
• 23:33
  puppetry.
• 23:35
  >> So, I made this out of touch.
• 23:37
  >> I do want to uh Well, but I'm obviously
• 23:41
  about a Well, first introduce the puppet
• 23:42
  and I want to talk about
• 23:43
  >> He's just like a mouse guy. Um he's a
• 23:46
  lead singer of a band. Uh we we made
• 23:48
  >> What's his name?
• 23:49
  >> Uh he doesn't actually have a name.
• 23:50
  Mouse guy. I don't know. He should have
• 23:52
  a name.
• 23:53
  >> That sucks.
• 23:53
  >> Yeah,
• 23:53
  >> you should name his ass.
• 23:54
  >> Cheddar.
• 23:55
  >> Cheddar. Did you come up with that just
• 23:57
  now?
• 23:58
  >> Uh somebody wanted to name We have a dog
• 24:00
  puppet as well, but I that one I just I
• 24:03
  said that sucks, but that's my true
• 24:05
  heart reaction. He needs a goddamn name,
• 24:07
  >> dude. That's fine. Uh, Cheddar's pretty
• 24:09
  good, though.
• 24:09
  >> Mr. Parade.
• 24:11
  >> Mr. Parade. That's That's I've
• 24:13
  >> How about his first name is Rainon?
• 24:15
  >> What is that? Uh,
• 24:16
  >> sorry. That's stupid. Sorry to pun. I'm
• 24:19
  not a pawn guy, but
• 24:20
  >> I hated that one so much.
• 24:21
  >> Quick thought about Oh, yes. Um, both
• 24:23
  doing um because one of your videos is
• 24:25
  this puppet doing a like singing like an
• 24:29
  >> emo emo song. Yes. Which is great. Yeah.
• 24:32
  Um, and this idea we were talking about
• 24:34
  before of like uh content and content
• 24:36
  strategy type stuff. Yeah. And um I like
• 24:39
  to do things that actively goes against
• 24:44
  what I think a lot of people think would
• 24:46
  be a good content idea or a good content
• 24:48
  strategy. Like I just posted a roundup
• 24:50
  of
• 24:51
  >> tweets where it's like, "What if poop
• 24:53
  was a bug that was alive and you had to
• 24:55
  kill it, right?" And I'm like, "I think
• 24:56
  a lot of people who are playing for the
• 24:58
  algorithm would not think that's the
• 25:00
  good." And honestly,
• 25:02
  I didn't think that was gonna work. I I
• 25:04
  also didn't think I wasn't like, "This
• 25:05
  is a good algorithm play." I was like,
• 25:06
  "Time to shake weak followers."
• 25:08
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:09
  >> But I think that like you doing that is
• 25:11
  a very like of the heart, it's like
• 25:15
  >> using the platform to then be like,
• 25:17
  "Here's something I just wanted to
• 25:18
  [ __ ] make, dude. Here's something I
• 25:19
  really wanted to make, and it's not at
• 25:21
  all for
• 25:22
  >> Yeah. It's not for It's It's That was
• 25:25
  the weirdest thing I ever made, but I
• 25:26
  was so proud of it. Like,
• 25:27
  >> it's great. It was just so like uh it
• 25:30
  was just in my head, you know? I heard
• 25:32
  the song. I always wanted to
• 25:36
  get like a little puppet. I don't know
• 25:38
  where it like where it came from, but
• 25:40
  like I'm the idea of a of a singer of a
• 25:43
  mouse hanging off of Cheeseman.
• 25:45
  >> Yeah, it was good.
• 25:46
  >> And singing. And when I heard the song,
• 25:47
  I was like that is a perfect like 30
• 25:49
  seconds to do
• 25:50
  >> and
• 25:51
  >> lives in his holes type energy.
• 25:52
  >> Yeah. And then the hot dog and popcorn
• 25:54
  man as like the band. that was like from
• 25:56
  an earlier kind of idea of like what
• 25:58
  what is Cheese Man? Like maybe like
• 26:00
  lowkey he's like part of one of those
• 26:02
  like movie theater mascot lobby groups,
• 26:05
  you know? So like who else would what
• 26:07
  other like people would he be with?
• 26:09
  >> And okay. And also what's this guy made
• 26:10
  out of? What's
• 26:11
  >> Oh, so this is like couch foam. You can
• 26:13
  kind of see inside it. Um and you take
• 26:17
  you can buy like a block of couch foam.
• 26:19
  >> Put him near the camera.
• 26:22
  >> Right there
• 26:23
  >> in my backyard.
• 26:28
  So you can um
• 26:28
  >> in fact you get out of frame and you
• 26:30
  start using him as [laughter]
• 26:32
  >> if the mic was close enough that you
• 26:33
  could hear.
• 26:34
  >> He's got a mic. We [clears throat] I
• 26:35
  should have plugged his mic in.
• 26:36
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's funny. It is a
• 26:37
  real mic.
• 26:38
  >> Is it really?
• 26:38
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was easier to buy a
• 26:40
  tiny mic.
• 26:41
  >> Um
• 26:43
  yeah. Um so he's made a couch foam. You
• 26:45
  can cut couch foam up with like a turkey
• 26:47
  with a turkey cutter, an electric turkey
• 26:48
  cutter. cut it into like the basic
• 26:50
  shapes and then you can use scissors to
• 26:53
  sort of like cut. You can kind of sculpt
• 26:55
  couch foam using just scissors and then
• 26:58
  you can carve out specific parts more
• 27:00
  detailed with razor blades. And then a
• 27:02
  lot of it's just held together with hot
• 27:03
  glue and the fur itself.
• 27:05
  >> Um
• 27:06
  >> Okay. Okay. So, couch foam. What is
• 27:08
  this? What is this here?
• 27:09
  >> This is just the fur.
• 27:10
  >> Oh, this is
• 27:11
  >> So, one piece of fur goes from the
• 27:13
  bottom of the mouth all the way down to
• 27:16
  his body. So the bottom of his mouth is
• 27:19
  holding up the whole body.
• 27:21
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:22
  >> The bottom of his mouth is holding up
• 27:23
  the whole body.
• 27:24
  >> Um like uh
• 27:26
  >> like down here
• 27:26
  >> the fur the only thing connecting his
• 27:28
  head to the body is this fur.
• 27:31
  >> And the only way this fur is connected
• 27:32
  to his head is glued to the bottom of
• 27:34
  his mouth here.
• 27:34
  >> I see. Do you that can I I'll level with
• 27:37
  you. That does seem structurally
• 27:38
  unstable and like it will rip in in a
• 27:40
  bad scenario. Has it ripped?
• 27:42
  >> No. No good.
• 27:44
  >> Well, it's it's going to be good until
• 27:45
  it's not. I'm surprised it's held up as
• 27:47
  well as it had.
• 27:48
  >> Oh, yeah.
• 27:48
  >> Yeah. But um like especially these eyes
• 27:50
  are just hot glued on. Oh, I see like
• 27:52
  the the middle part of his eye actually
• 27:54
  came out. These eyes um are that's black
• 27:57
  play-doh in his eyes.
• 27:59
  >> Oh, really? Yeah. And white around.
• 28:01
  >> Yeah. And these like white beads with
• 28:03
  holes in them are just you can just get
• 28:04
  them at Michaels. And I painted them
• 28:06
  white and they're just hot glued on. And
• 28:08
  that was like that was tough because
• 28:10
  it's like I made this whole puppet and
• 28:11
  it's like if I mess up hot gluing these
• 28:13
  eyes on it's going to and it looks dumb.
• 28:15
  >> Oh my god. Yeah,
• 28:15
  >> there were a lot of moments making the
• 28:17
  puppet where it's like
• 28:19
  >> you've been I've been working this could
• 28:21
  mess up the whole thing like gluing his
• 28:22
  ears on and stuff like that and it's
• 28:24
  like it's just hot glue. Hot glue is
• 28:26
  really amazing is what I learned.
• 28:28
  >> And like
• 28:29
  >> this is just fur hot glued on. I cut out
• 28:32
  the little feet and the felt. Um hot
• 28:36
  glue fur couch foam. The mouth is like
• 28:39
  >> Is it one hand in the mouth, one hand on
• 28:40
  the mic?
• 28:41
  >> Uh one hand holds this. Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:43
  >> Yeah. one hand.
• 28:45
  >> Also, I had to learn like I followed a
• 28:46
  tutorial and the tutorial was to make a
• 28:48
  puppet that's like like a full hand and
• 28:51
  mouth, but I wanted a little mouse. So,
• 28:53
  I had to kind of like adapt the
• 28:55
  tutorial.
• 28:55
  >> Oh, to make it smaller
• 28:57
  >> because I'm doing this. Yeah.
• 28:58
  >> With my fingers. So, I had to make
• 29:01
  making it smaller was was like a whole
• 29:02
  thing. It was a whole tough thing.
• 29:04
  >> Oh, [ __ ]
• 29:04
  >> There's also um there's also a piece of
• 29:08
  uh like a storage bin. Those are the
• 29:11
  mouth pieces. The mouth plates. Oh, to
• 29:12
  get that to be solid enough to like cuz
• 29:14
  otherwise [snorts] it'd be kind of too
• 29:15
  soft.
• 29:15
  >> That's what's going on in here. So,
• 29:16
  these are two. And so, you cut those and
• 29:19
  then you use the red felt of the inside
• 29:21
  of the mouth. That's what's holding
• 29:22
  those pieces together.
• 29:23
  >> I feel like that'd be a good use for my
• 29:25
  old like I've got these old retainers
• 29:26
  that I don't use. I'm like finally I
• 29:28
  could glue them into a mouth and use
• 29:30
  Sorry, you're saying that?
• 29:31
  >> No. No. Start chopping them into mouth
• 29:32
  pieces.
• 29:33
  >> What are the whiskers?
• 29:35
  >> Just wire. Black wire. I bought And the
• 29:38
  nose is the same thing that the eyes
• 29:40
  are. It's those little beads. Oh, yeah.
• 29:41
  Yeah.
• 29:42
  >> I stuck the wire through the hole,
• 29:43
  turned it sideways.
• 29:45
  >> Nice.
• 29:46
  >> He looks great.
• 29:47
  >> Thanks. I'm pretty proud of him. I
• 29:49
  didn't expect him to turn out like this
• 29:51
  good.
• 29:51
  >> The pink ear is what? The foam or
• 29:53
  >> That's foam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:54
  >> That's just the That's just the natural
• 29:55
  foam.
• 29:56
  >> No, no, no. The the That's felt glued
• 29:59
  onto the foam.
• 30:00
  >> Okay.
• 30:00
  >> Um there's also So, I'm using hot glue,
• 30:02
  but I'm also using spray adhesive to get
• 30:04
  flat. Um
• 30:05
  >> in in some cases, spray adhesive is
• 30:07
  involved. Uh
• 30:09
  >> um I forget exactly where like the mouth
• 30:11
  pieces spray adhesive on.
• 30:12
  >> You don't want cuz you don't want to be
• 30:13
  like bumpy.
• 30:14
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you need to do
• 30:16
  like flat felt stuff.
• 30:17
  >> That's neat. And what was the what was
• 30:19
  this inspiration to get into puppetry?
• 30:23
  >> Like puppets just spark joy.
• 30:25
  >> I feel that. Yeah.
• 30:27
  >> It's all it is.
• 30:28
  >> Um and
• 30:31
  I just felt like a puppet. So
• 30:33
  Cheeseman's our mascot, but he doesn't
• 30:35
  talk. And I felt like puppets, puppets
• 30:39
  go with him. Like he fits in a universe
• 30:42
  with puppets.
• 30:44
  >> Yeah.
• 30:44
  >> So it just always kind of made sense
• 30:45
  like we should have puppets down the
• 30:47
  line.
• 30:47
  >> Cheeseman was like the first one you
• 30:49
  made years and years ago.
• 30:50
  >> Yeah. So actually my friend made the
• 30:52
  original Cheeseman. Shout out Pat
• 30:53
  Bertha. He So there was like the
• 30:55
  original high school sketch group. Yeah.
• 30:58
  >> Um my friend my one friend named us
• 31:01
  Cheese Parade. Just no logic behind it.
• 31:04
  sequence of words. And then in college,
• 31:07
  my other friend Pat um designed like the
• 31:10
  OG Cheeseman costume, which was like
• 31:13
  kind of like a smaller version, but like
• 31:15
  the vision the vision was all there of
• 31:17
  like the way the holes work as the eyes
• 31:20
  like making the to make the costume
• 31:22
  work. Yeah. And the way it like sits on
• 31:24
  your head.
• 31:24
  >> Um
• 31:26
  >> and then when it came time to
• 31:29
  when I was like, "All right, I'm going
• 31:30
  to get serious about this whole thing."
• 31:32
  Then me and Pat worked together to make
• 31:35
  like the good cheeseman costume.
• 31:37
  >> Um
• 31:38
  >> the fine cheese,
• 31:39
  >> the the nice one, which I do want to
• 31:40
  remake now because I've learned so much
• 31:42
  about crafting since then. It's really
• 31:43
  heavy. It sits on your head. It like is
• 31:46
  not comfortable, but it's like a tank,
• 31:48
  too.
• 31:48
  >> Um but now if I remade it, I would
• 31:50
  instead of using cardboard, use like
• 31:52
  craft foam and maybe even have it velcro
• 31:54
  together so it can be broken down.
• 31:56
  >> I've gotten like really good. When I was
• 31:57
  making hot dog and popcorn man, I
• 31:59
  learned so much about. And then I made a
• 32:01
  Tesla bot costume.
• 32:02
  >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:03
  >> So, like
• 32:05
  >> I've just really learned about Velcro,
• 32:07
  foam, um the different kinds of foam,
• 32:09
  the rolls of foam, as well as the couch
• 32:12
  cushion foam as well as the hard craft
• 32:14
  foam. Yes. And hot glue.
• 32:15
  >> I love seeing the genuine passion.
• 32:18
  >> Yeah.
• 32:18
  >> Like I like I like that you for real are
• 32:20
  like,
• 32:20
  >> "Yeah,
• 32:21
  >> I'm into puppets now." Like that's
• 32:22
  that's [ __ ] sick. Well, what's really
• 32:24
  cool is like um it's been really cool to
• 32:28
  to have the skills of crafting costumes
• 32:31
  build on each other um in a way. Yeah,
• 32:34
  there you go. Um
• 32:36
  >> it's been really cool to like when I
• 32:39
  made Tesla,
• 32:41
  it was a lot of work to make this Tesla
• 32:44
  robot costume. It was a lot of trial and
• 32:46
  error and and it was figuring out
• 32:48
  learning what to use and all that. Um,
• 32:50
  but in the back of my head, I know like
• 32:52
  I'm getting better at something here.
• 32:54
  Like I'm learning something. I don't
• 32:55
  know how this is going to help me. And
• 32:57
  then same with the puppet. It's like
• 32:59
  like not even to make more puppets in
• 33:02
  the future, but I'm just I'm learning
• 33:03
  something that's going to help me. And
• 33:05
  then by the time I get to like my third
• 33:07
  costume, like after Hot Dog Man and Pop,
• 33:09
  like when I'm making Popcorn Man, it's
• 33:11
  like,
• 33:12
  >> "Oh, I know all about Velcro because I
• 33:14
  made Tesla bot. Oh, I know all about
• 33:15
  foam because I made Hot Dog Man. Oh, I
• 33:18
  know Yeah. And it's like I just got
• 33:19
  chills thinking about it. It's seriously
• 33:21
  I love like
• 33:23
  >> I love challenging myself.
• 33:25
  >> It's like Runescape skill tree in real
• 33:27
  life.
• 33:27
  >> Yeah. But but the the cool thing is you
• 33:30
  don't know when you're going to recall
• 33:32
  these skills. Yes.
• 33:33
  >> You have no idea. It takes faith.
• 33:35
  >> Like you have to challenge yourself to
• 33:37
  make something like I'm going to force
• 33:39
  myself to learn how to make a puppet and
• 33:41
  just have faith that I'm going to be
• 33:43
  better at something at the end. I'm
• 33:45
  going to have skills in a some way that
• 33:49
  are going to like help me. And now like
• 33:50
  yeah, if I need to craft up props and
• 33:52
  costumes, like I'm [ __ ] I can do it
• 33:54
  really well.
• 33:55
  >> That's [ __ ] awesome. That's great. I
• 33:57
  um I haven't gone down the path of I've
• 34:00
  been going down the path of embroidery
• 34:02
  uh recently.
• 34:03
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. you've been my little
• 34:05
  guys. But it is that thing of like um
• 34:07
  like it's actually I could see like a
• 34:09
  very obvious linear
• 34:12
  >> progression of like oh this is when I
• 34:14
  learned to go backwards. This is when I
• 34:15
  learned to go inside that same hole. Oh,
• 34:17
  this is when I learned to do two colors.
• 34:19
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 34:20
  >> Um and like and now I'm like
• 34:22
  >> now I'm um I mean this hummingbird is
• 34:25
  like my favorite one I've made. Feel
• 34:26
  free. Thank you. [laughter]
• 34:29
  >> It's beautiful.
• 34:29
  >> I appreciate that a lot. The very first
• 34:31
  thing I made is like like a single bad
• 34:34
  fish, right?
• 34:35
  >> And I'm like this I still like that
• 34:37
  fish. Um but it's like not anywhere.
• 34:40
  It's like just the color orange and like
• 34:42
  a tiny thing.
• 34:43
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you almost don't
• 34:44
  even notice yourself getting better.
• 34:46
  >> I didn't I didn't realize. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:48
  And then I'm like, "Oh, I want to make a
• 34:49
  bigger one."
• 34:50
  >> Yeah. Right.
• 34:50
  >> Oh, I want it to be two colors. Oh, like
• 34:53
  Okay. I went from one color
• 34:54
  >> Yeah.
• 34:55
  >> to two colors that weren't touching. I
• 34:57
  was like, "The body of the dragonfly is
• 34:58
  this color. The wings are this color.
• 35:00
  And then I was like, "Oh, two colors
• 35:03
  overlapping." And then I went, "Oh,
• 35:05
  wait. I can do [ __ ] 30 colors."
• 35:09
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:09
  >> So, I literally went one, two, two,
• 35:12
  >> like 20. Like the hummingbird is The
• 35:14
  Hummingbird is one of the first ones
• 35:15
  that's is the first multicolor one I
• 35:17
  did.
• 35:17
  >> Wow.
• 35:18
  >> And I was like And I was immediately
• 35:19
  like
• 35:19
  >> It's like blended. Yeah.
• 35:20
  >> Dude. Yeah. I was
• 35:21
  >> But it's like such a breakthrough.
• 35:22
  >> Exactly. And but you could I could see
• 35:24
  that with the two colors and I was like,
• 35:25
  "Let me just do that with more colors."
• 35:26
  >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:28
  Those breakthroughs are
• 35:29
  >> it's crazy. It's exponential, I think.
• 35:31
  You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:32
  >> Well, that's what's cool. Yeah. And then
• 35:34
  like um like with what I was talking
• 35:36
  about like different skills meshing
• 35:38
  together and like that's like
• 35:40
  >> making sketches. There's so many like
• 35:42
  little things that
• 35:43
  >> it used to be so hard and it's so it's
• 35:46
  crazy like
• 35:48
  >> when I think of like the amount that I
• 35:50
  would think about my early sketches and
• 35:52
  the amount of like thought and I'm like,
• 35:54
  "Okay, I got to get this location. I got
• 35:56
  to get these people. I got to get this
• 35:58
  costume. I got to get this this thing.
• 36:00
  And it would be like overwhelming and it
• 36:02
  would be hard to like get yourself
• 36:03
  going. Like I'm sure a lot of people who
• 36:04
  want to make sketches feel that way.
• 36:06
  They think about all of the stuff they
• 36:08
  have to do. And it's just it's really
• 36:10
  cool to have slowly gotten so good at it
• 36:12
  and slowly like that now I can like
• 36:14
  knock out like really complicated stuff
• 36:16
  in like in like a week, you know, or
• 36:18
  like a few days.
• 36:20
  >> Giant whiteboard still.
• 36:21
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Giant whiteboard in my
• 36:22
  room. And that's when I'm when I'm like
• 36:24
  when I'm cooking on that whiteboard,
• 36:26
  that's like when I feel the most alive.
• 36:27
  >> That's what's that rules. Yeah. I gotta
• 36:29
  get a giant whiteboard. Dude, you do. I
• 36:31
  I literally was like I That's one of the
• 36:32
  things I'm like that's a good system.
• 36:34
  >> It is. It's great. It's so nice to to
• 36:37
  draw. And like for sketches, I'm like
• 36:39
  storyboarding on it, drawing the images.
• 36:41
  Oh yeah.
• 36:41
  >> And then I make the shot list on it,
• 36:43
  too. Um that's [ __ ] sick.
• 36:44
  >> Just do everything on it. It's nice.
• 36:46
  >> I was thinking because I knew that your
• 36:48
  your skill actually comes back and is
• 36:49
  relevant to the comedy in an immediate
• 36:51
  way. Um, I was trying to have the
• 36:53
  embroidery uh do that for stand up just
• 36:55
  by decorating myself on stage.
• 36:58
  >> You know what I mean?
• 37:00
  Okay. A little bit of like I'm trying to
• 37:02
  just have a butterfly on my person when
• 37:04
  I'm doing standup.
• 37:06
  >> You know what I mean? I think that is
• 37:07
  actually an element of
• 37:09
  >> branding. It's affect it's a vibe. It's
• 37:12
  a [ __ ]
• 37:12
  >> It's a vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:14
  >> Um I want to come back
• 37:16
  >> and also stay on this in the same
• 37:18
  capacity. uh the idea of going against
• 37:20
  the meta.
• 37:21
  >> Yeah. Right.
• 37:22
  >> What do you think the meta is right now
• 37:24
  and how and what are you doing about it?
• 37:26
  >> Right. Right. Right. Well, when we were
• 37:27
  talking about the music thing,
• 37:31
  >> I did think that that would work within
• 37:32
  the meta. It just wasn't a comedy
• 37:34
  sketch. It was just like I don't care. I
• 37:36
  need to make this.
• 37:38
  >> Um and that's how I view ideas.
• 37:41
  >> I don't view them as options to me.
• 37:44
  there are I have to it's I I actually
• 37:47
  put it outside of myself completely.
• 37:50
  I don't I don't believe in like a
• 37:51
  religious god, but I refer to the gods
• 37:54
  as like blessing me with an easy idea or
• 37:57
  or cursing me with a hard idea.
• 38:00
  >> Um or challenging me with a hard idea
• 38:01
  would be the more optimistic way to put
• 38:03
  it of like
• 38:04
  >> like when the idea comes, it's like ah
• 38:06
  this is going to be a really hard one
• 38:08
  and it's probably not even going to do
• 38:10
  that well. But like I even if I think
• 38:12
  that, I still have to make it to get it
• 38:14
  out of the way for the next idea to come
• 38:17
  in. Otherwise, it's just taking up space
• 38:19
  in my brain.
• 38:20
  >> You must like that whole thing cuz like
• 38:22
  you also do standup and I'm sure you've
• 38:23
  seen that standup doesn't have
• 38:26
  production value in the same capacity.
• 38:28
  So, you must like doing all the
• 38:30
  production stuff.
• 38:31
  >> Um um
• 38:32
  >> you're [ __ ] making a puppet out of
• 38:34
  your own choice. [laughter]
• 38:36
  >> Of course.
• 38:36
  >> Um it's satisfying to get good at it,
• 38:39
  >> right? It's satisfying to have the
• 38:41
  product.
• 38:42
  >> You like the final thing.
• 38:43
  >> This was a lot of work,
• 38:44
  >> right?
• 38:45
  >> It wasn't fun,
• 38:46
  >> right?
• 38:47
  >> I would have rather just snapped my
• 38:49
  fingers and had this puppet appear.
• 38:51
  >> Oh, really? Okay.
• 38:51
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:52
  >> How long do you think?
• 38:54
  >> Um
• 38:54
  >> 20 minutes
• 38:55
  >> to make this. [laughter]
• 38:57
  >> Yeah. No, a lot of time because what you
• 38:59
  don't see is all of the failed.
• 39:01
  >> That's another thing. And I learned that
• 39:02
  with the I learned that with making
• 39:04
  Tesla bot, too. Um,
• 39:06
  having the having just being able to
• 39:10
  accept like when your initial strategy
• 39:15
  isn't going to be the one is doesn't
• 39:17
  work, you know? So, I cut out his head,
• 39:19
  it was too big. Cut out another head,
• 39:20
  too big. You know, tried to like glue it
• 39:22
  in a certain way, didn't work. Cut out
• 39:23
  arms. And then, but being able to be
• 39:25
  like instead of like committing to um,
• 39:29
  one of the things that this is, I mean,
• 39:31
  I heard this from Jeff Bezos of all
• 39:33
  people. So, but but [laughter]
• 39:34
  um stubborn in your vision but flexible
• 39:37
  in your approach. I think that is really
• 39:39
  [laughter] good.
• 39:40
  >> I feel like he got that though from he
• 39:41
  probably got like Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:43
  >> No, but but it's it's true. It's like
• 39:45
  it's like um being flexible in your
• 39:47
  approach means giving up halfway through
• 39:49
  and trying a whole new thing. So, I did
• 39:51
  that a lot with this. So, this took, you
• 39:52
  know, like a couple weeks or something,
• 39:54
  but I don't know how like the hours
• 39:56
  exactly
• 39:56
  >> for you like
• 39:57
  >> um I wasn't like working on it
• 39:58
  constantly
• 39:58
  >> before you did couch cushion. You were
• 39:59
  doing like you were doing like chair
• 40:01
  parts. No, it was like wood on the
• 40:03
  inside.
• 40:03
  >> It was the cushion. It was just a lot of
• 40:05
  way different ways to cut it and a lot
• 40:07
  of it was getting the mouth functioning
• 40:09
  right and making it a mouse size.
• 40:11
  >> Yeah.
• 40:12
  >> Was really hard. And then like I said,
• 40:13
  um every time I
• 40:15
  >> That puppet sure is the size of a mouse.
• 40:17
  >> Yeah. [laughter]
• 40:18
  >> We all agree that that's a mouse. Also,
• 40:20
  by the way, would you like to do a
• 40:20
  little arts and crafts?
• 40:21
  >> Uh sure. I'll I'll just start.
• 40:23
  >> You keep talking though.
• 40:24
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
• 40:27
  but another thing is, um, and I'll come
• 40:28
  back to like, uh, making stuff for the
• 40:30
  algorithm, cuz I know that's what you
• 40:32
  ask, but I was going to say, um,
• 40:34
  >> like every time I had to glue something
• 40:36
  on to the final puppet product, Yeah.
• 40:38
  >> it was like it was like this could mess
• 40:39
  everything up,
• 40:40
  >> you know?
• 40:41
  >> And there's a lot of time wasted in the
• 40:47
  fear of like making a move. So, you're
• 40:49
  just like sitting there waiting to make
• 40:51
  a move. You know what I mean?
• 40:52
  >> Oh, yeah. For sure. So like I think that
• 40:54
  happens in sketch too.
• 40:55
  >> Well, I've been trying to do embroidery,
• 40:57
  right? Yeah. And the thing with
• 40:58
  embroidery is it's like,
• 40:59
  >> brother, it's on that piece of clothing.
• 41:01
  >> Yeah.
• 41:02
  >> Uh so if you [ __ ] it up,
• 41:03
  >> you have made a ugly thing on your
• 41:06
  outfit.
• 41:07
  >> Yeah.
• 41:07
  >> And so I'm a little bit afraid right
• 41:09
  now. I mean, it's just it's just back
• 41:11
  and forth in my I'm like if I want to do
• 41:13
  a new thing on this shirt. Yeah. I I I
• 41:15
  really like the hummingbird. The
• 41:16
  butterfly is not I I do like the
• 41:18
  butterfly, but I think I want to add
• 41:19
  more to it or make it look different
• 41:20
  because it doesn't look like a
• 41:21
  butterfly. I look like a butterfly on
• 41:22
  fire. Um, which I kind of think is kind
• 41:24
  of fun, but that wasn't deliberate,
• 41:26
  right?
• 41:26
  >> Um, and so I'm like, "Oh, shit." Um, but
• 41:30
  yes, I the Yeah. Sorry. Decision
• 41:32
  paralysis.
• 41:33
  >> Yeah,
• 41:33
  >> that's what it is.
• 41:35
  >> Analysis paralysis is the rhyming.
• 41:37
  >> Yeah, you're right. God damn it.
• 41:38
  >> Sorry. No, but I knew what you meant.
• 41:39
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So, I'm
• 41:41
  going to put this puppet to the side
• 41:42
  now. Space for me. But like, uh,
• 41:46
  >> yeah, that holds you back a lot in in
• 41:47
  life, too.
• 41:48
  >> I can show you. You want to learn
• 41:49
  embroidery in this moment? Uh, if it's
• 41:51
  easy. Yeah,
• 41:51
  >> it's easy as [ __ ] All right. Do you
• 41:53
  have something you want to embroider? Do
• 41:54
  you have a piece of clothing you want to
• 41:55
  embroider?
• 41:57
  >> No. Should I I could go grab
• 41:59
  >> Grab a piece of clothing real quick.
• 42:00
  Grab something you want to put a little
• 42:01
  tiny something on and I'll get it. I'll
• 42:04
  get you. Hello everybody.
• 42:10
  We love comedy. We love I'm gonna make
• 42:12
  him make a thingyamajiggy.
• 42:14
  We're gonna do a little fish or
• 42:15
  something. I've been doing uh we lived
• 42:18
  in the same neighborhood. I'm gonna
• 42:20
  reveal this turtle that represents our
• 42:23
  old uh area. Yeah, I'm vamping, folks.
• 42:27
  This is what they call vamping. This is
• 42:28
  the art of vamping. Who gives a [ __ ]
• 42:30
  [ __ ] what am I [ __ ]
• 42:34
  So, what's your contact strategy?
• 42:40
  What's your hashtag strategy? [laughter]
• 42:43
  I'm a big hashtag guy. Sorry, I was I
• 42:46
  was vamping. Oh. Uh Oh, by the way, the
• 42:50
  question the question from before as I
• 42:52
  show you embroidery is something to
• 42:54
  think about is um making things that
• 42:56
  deliberately go against the algorithm or
• 42:59
  are sort of like harder to swallow for
• 43:01
  an audience. Um, I try to do that
• 43:03
  sometimes because I find it fun and I
• 43:04
  also think it's like um just I think it
• 43:08
  I think people like it too and like like
• 43:10
  if I do something that's like I did okay
• 43:12
  I've got this like just did this tweet
• 43:13
  about like torturing animals and I'm
• 43:15
  like that's not like meant to be
• 43:18
  >> you know I just like the idea of it and
• 43:20
  I know it's going to go anyway.
• 43:22
  >> That's not something that I would ever
• 43:23
  do,
• 43:24
  >> right?
• 43:24
  >> Um in my opinion,
• 43:27
  >> yeah,
• 43:27
  >> making something deliberately against
• 43:28
  the algorithm is still letting the
• 43:30
  algorithm control you. Oh, but it's not
• 43:32
  um Okay, let me put it this way.
• 43:34
  >> I don't don't think about it.
• 43:35
  >> No, no, no. Okay, let me put it um I
• 43:38
  didn't make that tweet deliberately
• 43:40
  against the algorithm as much as
• 43:41
  deliberately against a certain
• 43:43
  sensibility of taste, right?
• 43:45
  >> But then when I then take those I made
• 43:48
  those poop tweets because I find it
• 43:49
  funny. Yes. And I made that poop is
• 43:51
  alive and should be our enemy type tweet
• 43:53
  um
• 43:54
  >> out of a deliberate going against a
• 43:56
  certain taste because that's what is
• 43:58
  funny to me about it. Right. Right.
• 43:59
  >> When I take that roundup though
• 44:01
  >> and then I post that.
• 44:02
  >> Crafting the post.
• 44:03
  >> Crafting the post that goes against
• 44:05
  that.
• 44:06
  >> I'm not I'm not writing the I'm not
• 44:07
  writing poop should be alive and should
• 44:08
  be our enemy as an anti-algorithm.
• 44:11
  >> Right. I got you. I got you. I got you.
• 44:12
  The the packaging is anti
• 44:14
  >> Yes. Yes. I got you. I got you. Yeah. I
• 44:17
  mean you right. I don't do that. I'm not
• 44:20
  playing uh It's a different It's a whole
• 44:22
  different game. Whole different game.
• 44:24
  You're in the standup thing. I don't
• 44:25
  post like at all
• 44:27
  >> because you have to make a whole sketch.
• 44:28
  >> I just make a sketch. A whole sketch.
• 44:30
  >> Your sketch h when you're making the
• 44:32
  sketch, it has to be like you are
• 44:34
  thinking like you are thinking this has
• 44:37
  to have a hook up front.
• 44:38
  >> Well, when I'm in the writing Yeah. When
• 44:40
  I'm in the writing part, um
• 44:42
  >> I'm
• 44:44
  I'm never like sitting around thinking
• 44:46
  like what would be a hook for this,
• 44:49
  >> right? What are the best hashtags to
• 44:51
  use?
• 44:51
  >> Yeah. Oh, I don't use hashtags. Yeah. I
• 44:52
  don't believe in any of that. Um, but uh
• 44:56
  I'm if the idea is there, then the hook
• 44:58
  is there. You just need to find it,
• 45:00
  >> right?
• 45:00
  >> Cuz the idea is interest. If you like
• 45:02
  the idea,
• 45:03
  >> I agree. The hook's there.
• 45:04
  >> The way I open my standup clips is I
• 45:06
  just go, "What's a good joke to open
• 45:07
  with?"
• 45:08
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:08
  >> All right. Oh. Oh, this joke would work
• 45:10
  up top. Great. Let's put that up top.
• 45:12
  >> Right. Exactly.
• 45:12
  >> What part of your shirt would you like
• 45:13
  to have embroidery on?
• 45:15
  >> Um, let's do like one of these freaking
• 45:17
  guys.
• 45:18
  >> Okay, great. So, basically, take this
• 45:20
  hoop
• 45:21
  >> and you're going to put the This one's
• 45:22
  going to be the inside part.
• 45:24
  >> And you're going to basically, you see
• 45:25
  how this is nice and taut.
• 45:26
  >> Yep. Yep.
• 45:27
  >> Um, find a spot. Put this on the inside
• 45:29
  there.
• 45:30
  >> You want to be You want it to be easily
• 45:32
  accessible enough for you to regularly
• 45:33
  come in and out of that spot.
• 45:35
  >> Okay.
• 45:35
  >> Um, so put that hoop there.
• 45:39
  And also, I'll reveal.
• 45:40
  >> So, you were going through the neck. Is
• 45:42
  that what you mean by
• 45:43
  >> Well, so so yes. So, this is through the
• 45:46
  neck. It's a little higher up. It's kind
• 45:47
  of on the shoulderish. You have to be
• 45:49
  able to continually reach it.
• 45:50
  >> Yeah, I like that. I'm going to do that.
• 45:51
  >> Yeah. Okay. So, then this guy you're
• 45:53
  going to put around that guy and tighten
• 45:54
  it so it's like taut.
• 45:56
  >> Okay.
• 45:56
  >> And then uh you can kind of just kind of
• 45:59
  wing it and then you'll be able to pull
• 46:00
  the the shirt. Yeah. You'll be able to
• 46:03
  feel it. It's like kind of an energy.
• 46:06
  >> Hell yeah.
• 46:07
  >> Um by the way, this is the Roxboro
• 46:09
  turtle.
• 46:10
  >> Oh,
• 46:10
  >> this is this is the Bob's Diner shirt.
• 46:12
  >> Oh.
• 46:14
  >> Once again, we lived in the same
• 46:15
  neighborhood.
• 46:16
  >> Manunk.
• 46:16
  >> Man, Philadelphia. And I really love
• 46:18
  Maniac. Manuk is like
• 46:19
  >> it's a beautiful place.
• 46:20
  >> Deeply deeply important to my psyche to
• 46:22
  be honest.
• 46:23
  >> It is. It's very important to me.
• 46:24
  >> Yes. So this is the rock
• 46:26
  >> where I've lived for like 10 years. It's
• 46:27
  where all the cheese videos are filmed.
• 46:28
  >> Bridge A.
• 46:29
  >> Nice.
• 46:30
  >> Yeah. Oh yeah. It's fun. When I watch
• 46:31
  the cheese videos, I go that's the Manio
• 46:33
  Bridge. [laughter] That's the canal. Um
• 46:36
  Okay.
• 46:38
  So then you want Are you trying to do
• 46:39
  cheese?
• 46:40
  >> I'm trying to I don't know what I'm
• 46:41
  going to try to do, but I'm going to try
• 46:42
  to
• 46:43
  >> Cool.
• 46:44
  >> There we go.
• 46:45
  >> So figure out what you want to do.
• 46:47
  There's gonna be a big thing. And as you
• 46:49
  do that, I'm gonna get this guy.
• 46:50
  >> Is that Is that taught enough?
• 46:53
  >> It should be drum taut.
• 46:55
  >> Yes. So, so maybe
• 46:57
  >> Well, if you can if it kind of sounds
• 46:58
  like a drum, you should be good. And it
• 47:00
  feels like it's tight.
• 47:02
  >> Okay.
• 47:02
  >> Like you can just like gently pull it a
• 47:04
  little bit. So,
• 47:04
  >> yeah.
• 47:05
  >> You see mine like
• 47:07
  >> hear that noise? Yours for making that
• 47:08
  noise. That
• 47:08
  >> was close. Yeah.
• 47:09
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You You should be
• 47:10
  good.
• 47:10
  >> All right.
• 47:10
  >> [ __ ] I just put my needle. There it is.
• 47:12
  Okay.
• 47:12
  >> Oh, there we go. Got it.
• 47:14
  >> Hell yeah. A dog. You want to just start
• 47:17
  with a random color or what do you want
• 47:18
  to do?
• 47:19
  >> Um,
• 47:20
  >> you got an idea.
• 47:20
  >> Yeah, let's do like a I think I want to
• 47:22
  make like a goose.
• 47:23
  >> You want to make a goose? What color are
• 47:24
  we talking there? A
• 47:25
  >> white
• 47:26
  goose with a with a orange
• 47:30
  >> white and orange
• 47:30
  >> beak.
• 47:31
  >> Awesome, dude. Okay, great. Um, so we
• 47:33
  got white right here basically. Uh, get
• 47:36
  that end and then this guy and then pull
• 47:40
  like an arms length of this stuff out.
• 47:44
  Great. Okay. And now
• 47:47
  cut that. Cut that off.
• 47:54
  Go deeper in the scissors.
• 47:57
  Yeah. Okay. So, that guy, you're not
• 47:59
  going to use the whole thing. The thing
• 48:00
  with embroidery floss is that it comes
• 48:02
  kind of as a six strings together. Okay.
• 48:04
  >> So, grab it by the one end.
• 48:06
  >> Um, and basically try to peel three
• 48:09
  apart and the other three apart and kind
• 48:11
  of have two chunks of three.
• 48:13
  >> Okay. going.
• 48:19
  Uh, what I'm doing, by the way, is um I
• 48:20
  made this one early on and I think it's
• 48:23
  kind of ugly. So, my plan is currently
• 48:25
  to fill in the colors on this Ridge
• 48:27
  Avenue turtle.
• 48:30
  I was going to fill in the shell because
• 48:32
  I think from a distance it looks like
• 48:33
  poop from A BUTT.
• 48:35
  >> UM, I see a turtle.
• 48:37
  >> Uh, I think [laughter] I think you're
• 48:40
  close by.
• 48:42
  That's true.
• 48:44
  >> I want to make the green a little
• 48:45
  lighter because it's too dark on the
• 48:47
  black. And then I want to fill in the
• 48:48
  turtle shell.
• 48:50
  >> Um Okay. So, when you have three in one
• 48:52
  hand and three in the other
• 48:54
  >> and you can kind of split them up
• 48:56
  anyway, right? It doesn't need to be
• 48:57
  like a particular three in a particular.
• 48:58
  >> Yeah, it doesn't really matter. And they
• 49:00
  might be it might seem like it's like
• 49:01
  more than that because some of them are
• 49:02
  like kind of joined threads together,
• 49:03
  but I got it.
• 49:04
  >> Okay. Now, here's how I do it. Actually,
• 49:06
  I'll show you this. What I do is you
• 49:08
  kind of I get them apart and then I kind
• 49:10
  of put like just like gently pull them
• 49:13
  apart until there's two chunks.
• 49:15
  >> Okay.
• 49:15
  >> But you kind of want to do
• 49:17
  >> Yeah. You want to do it kind of slowly
• 49:18
  because it's going to do it might like
• 49:20
  bunch up
• 49:21
  >> which is annoying as [ __ ]
• 49:26
  >> And I'm gonna make I'm going to do a
• 49:28
  couple loops on this damn turtle
• 49:34
  embroidery pod.
• 49:38
  I'm locked in.
• 49:39
  >> He's locked the [ __ ] in. Dude, you can
• 49:41
  go faster than that.
• 49:44
  If if it starts to bunch up, I just I
• 49:45
  what I do is I just like I just like
• 49:48
  pull that down.
• 49:49
  >> Oh, I got you.
• 49:52
  >> You got [ __ ] there. Okay. So, put one
• 49:55
  away for now.
• 49:57
  And then the other one kind of, you
• 49:58
  know, just straighten it out a little
• 49:59
  bit. And then what you want to do is on
• 50:01
  one end of it, uh, just try to tie some
• 50:05
  knots until it kind of makes a little
• 50:06
  clump.
• 50:07
  >> Okay.
• 50:08
  >> So, um, get as as much as you need to
• 50:11
  make some knots. So, tie knots like
• 50:13
  maybe like you're going to have to tie
• 50:14
  like you have to do like six times and
• 50:16
  try to It's tricky because
• 50:18
  >> do I start with one knot and then keep
• 50:19
  adding knots.
• 50:20
  >> Just keep adding knots until they kind
• 50:21
  of form a clump.
• 50:22
  >> Got you.
• 50:23
  >> They're not all going to hit the same
• 50:24
  spot. I've learn I've gotten better at
• 50:26
  like You see how it's like not See how
• 50:28
  it's not that big?
• 50:29
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
• 50:30
  >> you want it to be
• 50:31
  >> too big to be able to pull through the
• 50:33
  fabric
• 50:34
  >> because that's going to be the anchor
• 50:35
  point. You see how that didn't hit the
• 50:37
  same spot?
• 50:37
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:38
  >> Um, so basically just keep doing it
• 50:39
  until you get a nice little [ __ ]
• 50:41
  lump.
• 50:41
  >> Mhm.
• 50:43
  >> We're learning embroidery on the damn
• 50:44
  pod, folks.
• 50:45
  >> Sounds good.
• 50:50
  >> Anyway,
• 50:51
  >> yeah. So,
• 50:51
  >> well, you got more stuff about the
• 50:52
  algorithm. What What are you trying to
• 50:54
  What about What kind of meta are you
• 50:56
  trying to talk about?
• 50:56
  >> Okay. Well, a little bit of um podcast
• 50:59
  stuff and you can see that this is not
• 51:01
  maybe good podcast content, which is
• 51:03
  fine with me.
• 51:04
  >> Right. Right. Right.
• 51:05
  >> But we were talking about before where
• 51:06
  I'm like uh a lot of comedians are doing
• 51:08
  the thing of like weekly podcasts uh
• 51:11
  guests they care about. I don't care
• 51:13
  about this guest.
• 51:14
  >> Right. Me? Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:17
  >> Wait, I actually have I actually have
• 51:19
  thoughts on podcast meta a little bit
• 51:21
  which is
• 51:22
  >> which is that I find that comedians
• 51:25
  podcast That's almost good by the way.
• 51:27
  Sorry. What were you saying?
• 51:28
  >> That like Friends comedians podcasts,
• 51:31
  you know, the lower level comedians
• 51:33
  podcasts.
• 51:34
  >> Oh yeah.
• 51:34
  >> They I in my opinion they're more
• 51:37
  they're too focused on trying to be
• 51:38
  funny.
• 51:40
  >> When I listen to podcasts that are
• 51:42
  actually popular from popular
• 51:45
  uh comedians and stuff, I don't get the
• 51:47
  sense that they're constantly trying to
• 51:48
  be funny. They just are naturally funny
• 51:50
  as they talk about other stuff.
• 51:52
  >> Oh, interesting.
• 51:52
  >> You know what I mean? And I think that's
• 51:53
  a big difference. I think a lot of
• 51:55
  people panic when no one's laughing.
• 51:57
  [laughter] They're like they're like,
• 51:58
  "What? This isn't entertainment. This
• 51:59
  isn't funny." But it's like we can have
• 52:01
  like a real discussion and it will just
• 52:04
  be funny because that's cuz we are.
• 52:06
  >> Hell yeah, baby.
• 52:08
  >> You know, that's what I think. So, if I
• 52:09
  ever did a podcast, I'm a big fan of
• 52:10
  Rick Glassman. I'm a big uh Take Your
• 52:12
  Shoes Off. That's like the only podcast
• 52:14
  I really like and truly like
• 52:15
  >> well edited. I was saying I think that
• 52:17
  if you did one it would be similarly
• 52:19
  >> similarly edited but I also like how he
• 52:22
  um isn't he does bits.
• 52:24
  >> That's good enough by the way.
• 52:25
  >> Okay.
• 52:26
  >> Okay. So now uh yes he does bits.
• 52:28
  >> He does bits but he's also um he also
• 52:31
  will like get serious and like really
• 52:33
  try to like try to like act get make
• 52:36
  people bring out a side of people that
• 52:37
  is like more vulnerable.
• 52:38
  >> Okay. So go to the other side. Uh you
• 52:41
  can use your mouth to get it wet and
• 52:44
  then uh that the needle eye is pretty
• 52:46
  big. Um you'll be able to figure it out.
• 52:52
  I would I would get your fingers even
• 52:54
  closer to the end of it and then try to
• 52:55
  pinch it through.
• 53:03
  Easier for a camel to pass through the
• 53:06
  eye of a needle than for a rich man to
• 53:09
  enter the gates of heaven.
• 53:10
  >> Huh.
• 53:11
  >> It's a Bible quote. [laughter]
• 53:14
  >> I've got a bunch of video game jokes
• 53:15
  that I don't do.
• 53:16
  >> Yeah.
• 53:16
  >> Uh because of like two um video game
• 53:19
  referencing and one of them is like um
• 53:20
  trying to dodge roll spam my way past
• 53:22
  the pearly gates.
• 53:24
  >> Oh yeah, that's funny.
• 53:25
  >> Yeah. Thanks, man. [ __ ] um
• 53:28
  >> Oh, yeah. I don't I think um well with
• 53:30
  the podcast I'm like uh it's not what
• 53:32
  I'm trying to do. It's not my core
• 53:34
  thing. Yeah. So like but I do think that
• 53:37
  >> um if I was a more cynical algorithm
• 53:40
  head
• 53:41
  >> uh I would do a weekly podcast, get a
• 53:45
  big guest clip like three clips each
• 53:48
  episode or whatever.
• 53:50
  >> But I don't give a [ __ ] about
• 53:52
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I feel
• 53:54
  about um I mean to me standup is the
• 53:57
  thing I'm doing in the backgrounds. I'm
• 53:58
  doing sketches and then standup's like
• 54:00
  my background thing. I do think that um
• 54:03
  I might eventually do a podcast. I might
• 54:06
  eventually do a podcast or a show type
• 54:07
  like that. But I do firmly believe that
• 54:09
  I will be extremely good at playing the
• 54:11
  podcast algorithm game because I'm so
• 54:14
  trained in it like in in um in clips and
• 54:17
  stuff.
• 54:18
  >> Okay. So, give yourself some leeway like
• 54:20
  this. You see how there's like some
• 54:21
  leeway on the guy?
• 54:22
  >> Yeah. Just hold the needle. You got it
• 54:23
  through.
• 54:24
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:24
  >> All right. Yeah. And I hold the needle
• 54:26
  and give yourself maybe like a three
• 54:28
  inches or so on the
• 54:30
  >> like like side.
• 54:31
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let there be a nice
• 54:32
  bit of space there.
• 54:33
  >> Okay.
• 54:34
  >> And now in here,
• 54:35
  >> you can come up through the back.
• 54:37
  >> Okay.
• 54:37
  >> And then go all the way until the knot
• 54:39
  hits the end. And it's going to be where
• 54:41
  you're going to want to start your like
• 54:42
  line or something.
• 54:43
  >> Okay. [snorts]
• 54:45
  >> Okay.
• 54:46
  >> Check this [ __ ] out, folks.
• 54:48
  >> Let's just do it.
• 54:48
  >> Yeah. Okay. So, now get it from that
• 54:50
  side. And then you're going to want to
• 54:51
  make sure that you pinch it at the So,
• 54:53
  pull the needle up a little bit. And
• 54:54
  then pinch the kind of the Yeah. There.
• 54:57
  So you make sure you pull it all up nice
• 54:59
  and through.
• 55:00
  >> Do it. Nice and slow. And then there you
• 55:01
  go.
• 55:02
  >> Nice.
• 55:02
  >> So now here you get to make your first
• 55:05
  little line.
• 55:06
  >> Right.
• 55:06
  >> Now you get to make a
• 55:07
  >> I can make a whole line.
• 55:09
  >> Yeah. But
• 55:09
  >> I could go like
• 55:10
  >> I would recommend not going that big.
• 55:11
  >> How far would you go?
• 55:12
  >> Pretty small.
• 55:13
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
• 55:14
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would go I would go
• 55:16
  small as [ __ ] Honestly, here's here's a
• 55:18
  rough estimation.
• 55:18
  >> I have to figure out what up is what
• 55:20
  what direction up is. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:21
  Yeah.
• 55:22
  >> Yeah.
• 55:22
  >> All right. Yeah. Yeah. I got you.
• 55:26
  >> Oh, so go back in.
• 55:28
  >> I'm I'm trying to analyze what's the
• 55:30
  top.
• 55:30
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
• 55:32
  >> Okay. I will go back into the top. Yeah.
• 55:34
  Yeah. I'm just like, "All right, there's
• 55:35
  the top."
• 55:36
  >> Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
• 55:37
  >> Now I'm trying to visualize a goose.
• 55:39
  [laughter]
• 55:39
  >> I wasn't really up until this moment.
• 55:41
  Now I'm like, "Okay, now I see."
• 55:43
  >> The only podcast where I force all the
• 55:45
  guests to visualize a goose.
• 55:46
  >> Visualize a goose.
• 55:51
  But so I've been trying to make um all
• 55:52
  my embroidery stuff um stuff that
• 55:55
  matters to me because that way like I
• 55:56
  like really care about what I'm doing.
• 55:58
  So like um the Ridge Avenue turtle I
• 56:02
  really [ __ ] deeply care about.
• 56:03
  >> Right.
• 56:04
  >> There you go. You got it. Now you do the
• 56:05
  same thing. You just
• 56:07
  >> don't don't pull the um don't pull the
• 56:08
  old knot.
• 56:09
  >> Pull the old knot.
• 56:10
  >> But you can from this side.
• 56:11
  >> Yeah. From so while you're doing that
• 56:13
  >> I got you. I got you.
• 56:14
  >> Yeah. Pull that one a little taut. So So
• 56:16
  that's There you go.
• 56:21
  There you go.
• 56:22
  >> Hell yeah.
• 56:23
  >> I did it.
• 56:23
  >> Okay. So, now here's the thing is
• 56:25
  whichever way you're going,
• 56:26
  >> um, come back up through the back and
• 56:29
  then go backwards towards that one.
• 56:32
  >> Oh, I got you. Does that make sense?
• 56:33
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:34
  >> Yeah.
• 56:36
  >> This [ __ ] got it. He's got it.
• 56:39
  Hell yeah, baby. We're making a goose.
• 56:46
  Hell yeah. The only podcast that hits an
• 56:49
  abrupt silence.
• 56:50
  >> Yeah. Where you need to make a goose.
• 56:53
  I mean, this is just a visual. Um, you
• 56:56
  don't even have this on Spotify, right?
• 56:57
  >> Yeah, I took it off Spotify
• 56:59
  >> cuz they're evil.
• 57:00
  >> Yeah,
• 57:02
  >> fair enough.
• 57:03
  >> Yeah. I mean, so is so is Google, but I
• 57:05
  feel like Spotify is being like very
• 57:07
  blatantly evil and like, you know what I
• 57:09
  mean? Like, it's like very disgusting.
• 57:11
  >> Um,
• 57:12
  >> I don't know.
• 57:14
  >> Yeah. Well, I my my only thing with with
• 57:16
  Google is that YouTube is my is my
• 57:19
  living. So I I am grateful for that.
• 57:22
  >> Have you heard this idea? People say
• 57:23
  like if you know if your full income is
• 57:25
  from these platforms, you work for
• 57:26
  YouTube.
• 57:27
  >> Yeah, exactly.
• 57:27
  >> It's like your job. Yeah,
• 57:28
  >> it is. Yeah. I I technically I work for
• 57:30
  Google,
• 57:31
  >> right?
• 57:31
  >> Technically I'm a Google employee.
• 57:33
  >> You're what's that thing? The the nooler
• 57:36
  >> what's it called? [laughter]
• 57:37
  >> I don't know. Let's call it that.
• 57:38
  >> New employee new employees at Google are
• 57:40
  given like a little beanie cap in the
• 57:42
  >> Oh yeah. Yeah. How's it going, by the
• 57:45
  way?
• 57:45
  >> Uh, good. I made two lines.
• 57:47
  >> Nice.
• 57:47
  >> Um,
• 57:49
  >> yeah. Make sure you pull that a little
• 57:50
  taut. Yeah, there you go.
• 57:51
  >> Okay.
• 57:52
  >> Nice. You see what I'm saying? Now that
• 57:53
  So, it's like
• 57:55
  >> it's a little disconnected, but that's
• 57:56
  fine.
• 57:57
  >> Right. Right.
• 57:58
  >> But you can you can just if you want to
• 57:59
  just [ __ ] do it right back in that
• 58:00
  spot, right?
• 58:01
  >> My [ __ ] ends up looking crazy as hell.
• 58:03
  >> Right. Right. Right.
• 58:04
  >> I don't, Dude, I don't even look at the
• 58:06
  back. What I do is Okay, when I'm on
• 58:08
  Okay, I'm put on Let me get it to the
• 58:10
  back first. So, this guy's in the back,
• 58:13
  right? I look at it from the front and I
• 58:16
  don't I don't look at from back. I poke
• 58:17
  up through poke through
• 58:18
  >> and I'm like, if I'm poking at the wrong
• 58:20
  spot, I just move it.
• 58:21
  >> Yeah. All right. All right.
• 58:23
  >> Hell yeah, baby.
• 58:25
  >> Goose. The goose is loose.
• 58:32
  Gamers.
• 58:35
  >> Hell yeah.
• 58:41
  Well,
• 58:41
  >> that's it. That's all I got.
• 58:42
  >> That's all stand. Nothing about the
• 58:44
  standout meta game.
• 58:45
  >> Those are my main thoughts.
• 58:46
  >> Hell yeah.
• 58:47
  >> What do you What do you Do you think
• 58:48
  that um Okay, so talking about the stand
• 58:51
  up metag game.
• 58:52
  >> Yeah.
• 58:52
  >> Um Crowdwork has been a major
• 58:55
  >> meta thing lately. And I do think that
• 58:57
  that is an example of something where
• 58:58
  I'm like, that's not my meta,
• 59:00
  >> right?
• 59:00
  >> Um
• 59:01
  >> yeah, that's not um that's just not for
• 59:04
  you. [snorts]
• 59:05
  >> By the way, this is like Hot Ones.
• 59:06
  That's the premise, right? It's like I
• 59:08
  kind of get you to
• 59:09
  >> now that I'm like engaged on a goose,
• 59:10
  I'm like I'm like, "Oh shit." Yeah, man.
• 59:13
  Dude, [laughter]
• 59:13
  >> that's right.
• 59:14
  >> That's wild, dude.
• 59:15
  >> I get you I get you to half focus on a
• 59:17
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. That kind of
• 59:20
  reminds me of like um in sketch.
• 59:24
  Uh like [sighs]
• 59:28
  there's other there's just other types
• 59:29
  of sketch like in the way that you don't
• 59:31
  do crowd work. I don't do like certain
• 59:34
  types of sketches that are like some of
• 59:36
  the most popular ones. Um where it's
• 59:38
  like a character and then it's like a
• 59:40
  bunch it's just that character saying a
• 59:42
  bunch of things that that character
• 59:43
  would say, you know, that's like a type
• 59:45
  of sketch that a lot of people make. Is
• 59:47
  is that even a sketch? I don't know.
• 59:48
  It's something
• 59:49
  >> the weird roommate and then it's
• 59:51
  >> the weird roommate is a perfect example
• 59:52
  and then it's like the weird roommate
• 59:54
  saying a bunch of stuff that a weird
• 59:55
  roommate would say,
• 59:56
  >> right?
• 59:57
  >> Um and those could be funny but it's
• 59:58
  >> it's a it's a joke vehicle.
• 1:00:00
  >> Yes. I I call Jokarama.
• 1:00:02
  >> Jokarama. Yeah.
• 1:00:03
  >> Yeah. Yeah. where it's just like joke
• 1:00:05
  joke joke joke joke joke joke joke joke
• 1:00:06
  joke joke joke joke joke um here premise
• 1:00:08
  and then here's like a series of jokes
• 1:00:10
  that premise
• 1:00:11
  >> if I were to do if I were to do sketches
• 1:00:13
  more that's kind of more of the style I
• 1:00:15
  would do but it would be probably
• 1:00:16
  weirder it'd be like
• 1:00:17
  >> right
• 1:00:18
  >> uh that one the swamp roommate
• 1:00:20
  >> right the swamp roommate yeah
• 1:00:22
  >> I uh
• 1:00:23
  >> no it makes a lot of sense um
• 1:00:24
  >> by the way I don't do crowd work not out
• 1:00:26
  of um I I don't hate crowd work anymore
• 1:00:29
  I think I did initially out of a sort of
• 1:00:32
  um
• 1:00:33
  uh annoying a lot of out of annoyance,
• 1:00:36
  but now I think I see the art artistry
• 1:00:38
  of it more and I respect it more.
• 1:00:40
  >> Um,
• 1:00:41
  >> and I view it more as reality TV is kind
• 1:00:43
  of the idea, right?
• 1:00:44
  >> Which I I think like I can the initial
• 1:00:46
  aversion to reality TV does make sense
• 1:00:48
  of like, whoa, what the hell? This isn't
• 1:00:50
  TV, but then it's like, oh, this has its
• 1:00:52
  own merits in a certain space,
• 1:00:53
  >> right?
• 1:00:55
  >> And I still do I do actually do crowd
• 1:00:57
  work. Um, but it's more like
• 1:01:00
  uh in the moment if it feels necessary
• 1:01:04
  and somebody is talking or something,
• 1:01:07
  something happens in the room.
• 1:01:08
  >> Yeah. But I tend not to I don't I tend
• 1:01:10
  not to post it and I'm not like doing
• 1:01:12
  I'm not deliberately being like, "What
• 1:01:14
  do you do for a living?"
• 1:01:16
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I um never do it. I've
• 1:01:21
  [laughter] done it like one time. Uh,
• 1:01:24
  it's just not um it's its own skill. I
• 1:01:28
  mean, it'd probably be worth it to to
• 1:01:30
  learn it and grow that skill, but I'm
• 1:01:33
  not far enough in standup to be worried
• 1:01:35
  about that part of the knife being
• 1:01:37
  sharpened, you know?
• 1:01:39
  >> I'm still I'm still sharpening the
• 1:01:41
  basics,
• 1:01:42
  >> right? Um, so yeah, which by the way, I
• 1:01:46
  think um I think being good at sketches
• 1:01:50
  has helped me in standup because I just
• 1:01:54
  understand what it means to get good at
• 1:01:56
  something. And so I don't know. I I
• 1:01:59
  definitely see like a lot of standups or
• 1:02:01
  a lot of people in general with like a
• 1:02:02
  why aren't I already famous attitude
• 1:02:05
  [laughter] and I am kind of I don't have
• 1:02:07
  that with standup at all
• 1:02:09
  >> because I'm like I'm like I haven't put
• 1:02:12
  nearly as much like many hours and I
• 1:02:14
  look at the people who are good and I
• 1:02:16
  see how much they're putting in and I'm
• 1:02:17
  like it would be insane of me to think
• 1:02:20
  like and and there's also like what it
• 1:02:24
  means to get better at something within
• 1:02:27
  that is like thinking that you're good,
• 1:02:32
  but it's hard to see how good you can
• 1:02:35
  be, you know?
• 1:02:36
  >> Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  >> It's hard to see cuz you can't really
• 1:02:39
  envision what the better version of you
• 1:02:41
  even is, but you still But knowing that
• 1:02:44
  it's there is like being humble enough
• 1:02:47
  to know that a better version of you is
• 1:02:50
  in the future.
• 1:02:51
  >> Is that is also the thing Dunning
• 1:02:52
  Krueger effect? Is that that what that
• 1:02:54
  one's called? like the the if you're
• 1:02:56
  brand new, you think you're going to be
• 1:02:58
  Yeah. really good and then it's like you
• 1:03:00
  very quickly are like, "Oh [ __ ] this is
• 1:03:01
  a lot of stuff to know."
• 1:03:02
  >> Yes. There's a chart. There's a chart
• 1:03:04
  and it's very popular in like uh
• 1:03:05
  jiu-jitsu circles as well where it's
• 1:03:08
  like
• 1:03:08
  >> get smacked down immediately.
• 1:03:09
  >> You Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You immediately get
• 1:03:11
  smacked down and humbled and then you
• 1:03:13
  start to learn some stuff and then you
• 1:03:14
  start to think you're good and then
• 1:03:15
  there's another like and [laughter] then
• 1:03:17
  there's another like no no.
• 1:03:19
  >> Yeah. Um
• 1:03:20
  >> I was think about this idea just now of
• 1:03:22
  coming back to the video game element of
• 1:03:24
  it is that um
• 1:03:26
  >> uh the style of standup or style it's
• 1:03:29
  like or like classes.
• 1:03:31
  >> It's like uh like oneliners or story or
• 1:03:34
  rant are like choosing um
• 1:03:36
  >> are you a warrior? Are you a wizard?
• 1:03:40
  But um or like like Yeah. Like what what
• 1:03:43
  uh gun class are you are you a tank? Are
• 1:03:45
  you a healer?
• 1:03:45
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's
• 1:03:47
  fun. I mean, that reminds me of that
• 1:03:48
  that sketch you just showed me where
• 1:03:50
  they're treating standup like a video
• 1:03:51
  game. Did they do that? Yeah, they did
• 1:03:53
  choose your own character, but I don't
• 1:03:54
  think they did classes like that.
• 1:03:55
  >> No, I don't know.
• 1:03:55
  >> So, there's one of the classes,
• 1:03:57
  oneliner. Um,
• 1:03:59
  >> which which by the way, I do think is
• 1:04:01
  not that many people choose that class.
• 1:04:03
  I do think I
• 1:04:04
  >> No, oneliner is a very uh specific less
• 1:04:06
  lesser used class.
• 1:04:08
  >> Um, and then there's like personal story
• 1:04:11
  person.
• 1:04:12
  >> Yeah. Um,
• 1:04:14
  I try to stray away from that, but I do
• 1:04:16
  do it. I still do uh talk about I try to
• 1:04:19
  be um like threeliners.
• 1:04:22
  >> Yeah. Hell yeah. Bits.
• 1:04:23
  >> Yeah. Like really short. I I do want
• 1:04:26
  like every other sentence to be a joke.
• 1:04:28
  Um
• 1:04:30
  >> but it's not it's not necessarily just
• 1:04:31
  setup, punch line, then a completely new
• 1:04:33
  premise. It's like it's like um setup
• 1:04:37
  and then another setup line that's like
• 1:04:39
  kind of funny half punch line, you know?
• 1:04:40
  Another setup kind of half punch line,
• 1:04:42
  but we're really building to this line,
• 1:04:44
  you know? Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  >> You know, that's what I'm trying to do.
• 1:04:47
  >> That's I'm trying I like rapid fire. I
• 1:04:50
  like being rapid fire. I like writing,
• 1:04:52
  you know. I'm definitely more of like
• 1:04:53
  the I value writing over performing for
• 1:04:57
  sure. Same.
• 1:04:58
  >> Just in my general like values.
• 1:04:59
  >> That's okay. Um, not just the meta of
• 1:05:02
  the content, but the there's a lot of
• 1:05:04
  meta behind the scenes stuff where
• 1:05:05
  people are like, uh, okay, one of the
• 1:05:08
  main metas of standup comedy is the
• 1:05:11
  grind. Yeah.
• 1:05:12
  >> And I think that meta is so cooked and
• 1:05:16
  wrong and stupid. The idea of stage time
• 1:05:19
  being a being a quantity game
• 1:05:22
  >> versus a quality game. And I think
• 1:05:24
  people I think people are nuts about
• 1:05:26
  they're like people are like oh dude I
• 1:05:28
  do a you got to do a set every night for
• 1:05:30
  years to get good. I'm like no that will
• 1:05:32
  make you bad. I've sort of but I but
• 1:05:34
  I've um this is old news for me. This is
• 1:05:37
  one of my oldest um opinions.
• 1:05:39
  >> Yeah. Yeah. But hit me with it. I
• 1:05:41
  because I kind of agree and I
• 1:05:42
  understand.
• 1:05:43
  >> Yes. But I think that that is an example
• 1:05:45
  of more like um strategy meta and people
• 1:05:48
  think that they have the good strategy
• 1:05:50
  meta where they're like you got to do x
• 1:05:52
  many mics a week or whatever. Yeah. Um
• 1:05:54
  and it's like that meta is backwards.
• 1:05:58
  It's actually it's [ __ ] you up.
• 1:06:00
  >> It could it could [ __ ] you up.
• 1:06:02
  >> It be it's like it's like if a it could
• 1:06:03
  >> but it could help it could help some
• 1:06:05
  people if their mindset
• 1:06:08
  >> is correct. Then I don't think it
• 1:06:11
  necessarily has to hurt to go on. It
• 1:06:13
  could help a lot to be constantly
• 1:06:15
  >> every night a week for years.
• 1:06:17
  >> That's a lot.
• 1:06:18
  >> I mean, some people do that.
• 1:06:19
  >> And some people and some people um
• 1:06:23
  they're not learning,
• 1:06:24
  >> right?
• 1:06:25
  >> If you're if you're not learning, then
• 1:06:27
  it doesn't matter. And like that's
• 1:06:28
  another thing about like when I see uh
• 1:06:30
  social media metagame stuff where it's
• 1:06:32
  like you need to post every day, you
• 1:06:34
  need to post this many times a day. And
• 1:06:37
  it's like but what are you posting? Like
• 1:06:39
  why isn't that part of the conversation?
• 1:06:41
  Like why do we [laughter] like we need
• 1:06:42
  to be learning otherwise it's pointless.
• 1:06:45
  You'll just post stupid stuff every day.
• 1:06:47
  >> Yes. That's that's another quantity
• 1:06:49
  game. Yeah. Where people people think
• 1:06:51
  it's quantity. It's quality.
• 1:06:53
  >> It is quality.
• 1:06:54
  >> Quantity leads to quality is the idea.
• 1:06:57
  That's the logic behind that is that if
• 1:06:58
  you do it enough, you will get good at
• 1:07:00
  it. But you do need to have that mindset
• 1:07:02
  right
• 1:07:03
  >> of learning and getting better. If you
• 1:07:05
  don't have that, if you literally think
• 1:07:06
  just doing it over and over again, but
• 1:07:08
  then like some people really aren't
• 1:07:10
  learning and that's what I was talking
• 1:07:11
  about people who have a why aren't I
• 1:07:13
  already famous mindset like they're not
• 1:07:16
  learning because they think there's
• 1:07:17
  nothing more to learn.
• 1:07:18
  >> Yes.
• 1:07:19
  >> So knowing that there's more to learn
• 1:07:22
  even if you don't know what it is. You
• 1:07:24
  don't know what it is. You don't know
• 1:07:25
  what it is that you have to learn still.
• 1:07:26
  You never if you did you would have you
• 1:07:28
  know it then.
• 1:07:29
  >> Yes. [laughter] I'm I'm going to keep
• 1:07:30
  this extremely vague but you and I went
• 1:07:32
  to a show not too long ago.
• 1:07:33
  >> Yeah. and um somebody who had like a
• 1:07:36
  pretty bad set. Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  >> Um and I'm a very supportive audience
• 1:07:39
  member because I I like comedy and I
• 1:07:41
  like laughing, right?
• 1:07:42
  >> Um and this person like
• 1:07:45
  >> uh I you know I'm like if they had said
• 1:07:47
  a joke, if they had said more jokes, I
• 1:07:49
  would have like laughed. I would have
• 1:07:50
  been I'm trying to be like
• 1:07:51
  >> support the room,
• 1:07:52
  >> right? Yeah. But there the stuff that
• 1:07:54
  they were saying was basically like
• 1:07:56
  >> it wasn't really jokes. It was and they
• 1:07:58
  were like and they were getting mad
• 1:07:59
  >> in a way that the crowd wasn't laughing.
• 1:08:01
  And I'm like you have not said a joke.
• 1:08:02
  >> Yeah. Um,
• 1:08:03
  >> right.
• 1:08:04
  >> And then after afterwards they we we
• 1:08:08
  basically like they blamed the crowd.
• 1:08:09
  >> They blamed the crowd. They blamed
• 1:08:10
  >> the audience. The classic
• 1:08:12
  >> Yes.
• 1:08:12
  >> thing where it's like, "Oh, you just
• 1:08:13
  told me that you didn't learn anything."
• 1:08:15
  >> That's what I'm saying. Exactly.
• 1:08:16
  >> That's what you're telling me.
• 1:08:17
  >> Yes. Yes.
• 1:08:18
  >> And I can I talk about that all the
• 1:08:19
  time, especially in standups. And I
• 1:08:21
  especially when I hear the phrase, "Oh,
• 1:08:23
  I guess you guys don't insert
• 1:08:25
  something." So they'll say a political
• 1:08:27
  joke and they'll be like, "Oh, I guess
• 1:08:28
  you guys uh have a different political
• 1:08:30
  opinion." or they'll reference a movie
• 1:08:32
  and be like, "Oh, I guess you guys
• 1:08:33
  haven't seen that movie." And I'm always
• 1:08:35
  in the audience like, "No, I do agree
• 1:08:37
  with those politics." And I have seen
• 1:08:39
  that movie
• 1:08:40
  >> and your joke.
• 1:08:42
  >> The joke just didn't work. And
• 1:08:45
  >> I'm not upset that the joke didn't work,
• 1:08:46
  but I'm upset that you didn't learn
• 1:08:48
  anything.
• 1:08:48
  >> Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  >> I'm I'm now annoyed that you are going
• 1:08:52
  to tell that joke again because you
• 1:08:53
  think that it has something to do with
• 1:08:55
  [laughter] and like you're never going
• 1:08:57
  to learn.
• 1:08:58
  >> Like you're
• 1:08:59
  >> Oh, yeah. This is this idea of um I
• 1:09:02
  think that I think that uh
• 1:09:05
  what was this? What was I thinking? Oh,
• 1:09:07
  comedians can be bad in in two ways. One
• 1:09:10
  is just like um the jokes just aren't
• 1:09:12
  working. And I think that's fine. I
• 1:09:14
  think if you like yes, I've told plenty
• 1:09:15
  of jokes that have bombed. I've seen
• 1:09:16
  plenty of people who have bombed. Um and
• 1:09:18
  I've als I'm also guilty of the other
• 1:09:20
  type, which is um
• 1:09:23
  uh like okay, it's one thing for it to
• 1:09:26
  not be working. Some of the things would
• 1:09:27
  be like unlikable and rude and I f I
• 1:09:31
  [ __ ] up and I've gotten like when I
• 1:09:32
  was early on I' been like
• 1:09:34
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right.
• 1:09:35
  >> Um but I think like um you see comedians
• 1:09:37
  do that thing where they're like you
• 1:09:38
  know that person blaming the audience.
• 1:09:40
  >> Start turning on the audience. Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  >> You're
• 1:09:43
  being confrontational.
• 1:09:44
  >> Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  >> Uh it's not helping.
• 1:09:46
  >> Exactly. Yeah. You're digging a bigger
• 1:09:47
  hole.
• 1:09:48
  >> Right. Right.
• 1:09:49
  >> By the way Oh, how's it going?
• 1:09:50
  >> Um it's it's going all right. I'm
• 1:09:52
  figuring it out. I'm learning.
• 1:09:53
  >> He's figuring it out. Listen, I didn't
• 1:09:56
  expect to be good at it right away, just
• 1:09:57
  like we're saying.
• 1:09:58
  >> Yep. I thought I'd be good at it
• 1:10:00
  immediately. I'm like, what the hell is
• 1:10:01
  this?
• 1:10:02
  >> What the [ __ ]
• 1:10:03
  >> I uh So, basically, what happens when
• 1:10:06
  you get to sort of the sort of the tail
• 1:10:09
  end of it is that you then tie a knot,
• 1:10:12
  another knot, another knot lump on the
• 1:10:15
  other side. Gotcha.
• 1:10:15
  >> And then that's what holds it in place.
• 1:10:17
  >> Okay.
• 1:10:18
  >> That's what I'm doing currently.
• 1:10:21
  And so basically what I've done with
• 1:10:23
  this guy is I've just added some brown.
• 1:10:26
  That's all I was that's all I've done so
• 1:10:28
  far on this pod.
• 1:10:29
  >> Um just demonstration of how long things
• 1:10:31
  take.
• 1:10:31
  >> It does take long. Yes.
• 1:10:32
  >> It takes a longer time than you might
• 1:10:34
  have expected. So we there's a good
• 1:10:35
  chance we won't finish this on the pod.
• 1:10:37
  >> Oh no, there's no way.
• 1:10:38
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But
• 1:10:39
  >> that's fine. I'm just the process.
• 1:10:41
  >> Exactly. Yeah. What I like to do is
• 1:10:43
  sometimes I'll listen to a pod and then
• 1:10:45
  I'll embroider.
• 1:10:46
  >> Oh yeah, that's true. It does go well
• 1:10:47
  with that. So then um once you once you
• 1:10:50
  tie the knot, you've got the knot there.
• 1:10:52
  I've got my knot wad and then like this
• 1:10:53
  excess.
• 1:10:54
  >> Yeah. Nice.
• 1:10:55
  >> So that way it's not like [ __ ] just
• 1:10:57
  rubbing your side of your shirt.
• 1:11:01
  >> Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Um
• 1:11:03
  >> got I've got a new string of brown.
• 1:11:09
  I got a new string of brown here
• 1:11:10
  somewhere. You see my big wad of brown
• 1:11:11
  here somewhere? Also, when I don't want
• 1:11:14
  to lose the needle, I just I just plop
• 1:11:15
  it into the
• 1:11:17
  >> Oh, nice. Needles are fun like that.
• 1:11:20
  >> Needles are fun like that. That's
• 1:11:21
  probably all I'll do for now for for my
• 1:11:22
  guy, but I'll let you
• 1:11:23
  >> Okay. Yeah, I'll keep I'll keep [ __ ]
• 1:11:25
  around on here.
• 1:11:26
  >> Yeah, we can do we can do a little bit
• 1:11:27
  more. I actually I've been trying to
• 1:11:28
  keep the pod a little not infinite,
• 1:11:32
  partly just because I started actually
• 1:11:33
  recording in 4K.
• 1:11:35
  >> Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  >> Uh and that is way more storage.
• 1:11:37
  >> Yeah.
• 1:11:38
  >> And so if I do too long, it'll straight
• 1:11:39
  up just cut out.
• 1:11:40
  >> Well, I'm having a good time. I I could
• 1:11:42
  keep going. I talk about talking about
• 1:11:45
  um
• 1:11:46
  >> and are there any of our major
• 1:11:48
  >> I was like I'm talking I touch on uh
• 1:11:51
  meta and sketch and manunk
• 1:11:55
  >> meta sketch maniac making
• 1:11:58
  >> maybe I was a little manic. I'm like I'm
• 1:11:59
  like this topic this topic this topic
• 1:12:01
  this topic. Good.
• 1:12:02
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
• 1:12:04
  Um [sighs] those are all
• 1:12:05
  >> Scott's crashing with me. He's been
• 1:12:07
  we've been chilling for two days.
• 1:12:08
  >> We have and we've been talking a lot
• 1:12:10
  about everything. So
• 1:12:12
  >> yeah,
• 1:12:12
  >> that's that's how that works. What other
• 1:12:15
  um you ever talk about? I don't know.
• 1:12:18
  >> You ever talk about like personal stuff?
• 1:12:20
  >> Oh, for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:12:22
  >> Um I don't have any like specific thing,
• 1:12:24
  but I do think that that's fun to talk
• 1:12:26
  about. [laughter]
• 1:12:28
  >> Um
• 1:12:29
  >> let's see.
• 1:12:30
  >> Yeah,
• 1:12:31
  >> I'm trying to think of uh
• 1:12:34
  >> you know, we
• 1:12:34
  >> we're both from Philadelphia, baby.
• 1:12:36
  We're both from Philly, but we vaguely
• 1:12:39
  brought up dating, but I don't know if
• 1:12:41
  there's anything to really No,
• 1:12:43
  >> we talked pretty extensively about it
• 1:12:44
  already.
• 1:12:44
  >> Yeah. Well, it's kind of the idea of the
• 1:12:46
  fact just the idea that um
• 1:12:51
  top level pattern awareness.
• 1:12:55
  >> Yeah.
• 1:12:55
  >> For different fields is meaningful and
• 1:12:58
  can help.
• 1:12:59
  >> Yeah.
• 1:13:00
  >> Um and I I don't know. I think that's
• 1:13:02
  like uh I think it's weird that people
• 1:13:06
  are
• 1:13:07
  so distanced from that or I don't know.
• 1:13:11
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
• 1:13:14
  >> but
• 1:13:14
  >> again, it might come back to people who
• 1:13:16
  think that there's not more to learn,
• 1:13:18
  >> right?
• 1:13:19
  >> I think that that's always maybe what it
• 1:13:21
  comes back to. And I think that I think
• 1:13:24
  I think there's like a fear of losing
• 1:13:26
  too because you gotta play you gota play
• 1:13:29
  to learn and not to win. Sometimes
• 1:13:32
  >> playing not to lose is a way to not
• 1:13:36
  learn,
• 1:13:36
  >> right?
• 1:13:37
  >> And then and then you'll never win. So
• 1:13:40
  in the standup context, it's always
• 1:13:42
  doing the same set that you know works
• 1:13:44
  instead of taking the risk.
• 1:13:46
  >> I've been think yes. I've been think
• 1:13:48
  this idea of when I write a joke, I'm
• 1:13:50
  trying to have it be um
• 1:13:53
  >> B, like when I first write it, I want it
• 1:13:55
  to be like C or B tier.
• 1:13:58
  >> Um Okay. I And like and then through the
• 1:14:00
  editing process, I want to try to get it
• 1:14:02
  to be A or B tier.
• 1:14:04
  >> Yeah.
• 1:14:05
  >> In from my perspective. Yes. And then
• 1:14:06
  when I do it on stage,
• 1:14:08
  >> um
• 1:14:09
  >> I don't think it's possible to, by the
• 1:14:12
  way, in the in in tier rankings, S is
• 1:14:15
  sometimes at the top. It depends on the
• 1:14:17
  uh as opposed to a um so I think that if
• 1:14:21
  you write a joke or something or do a
• 1:14:23
  sketch, I think you can't know that it's
• 1:14:26
  going to resonate at an S tier level
• 1:14:28
  ahead of time. No, I think you can you
• 1:14:30
  can only think that something is is
• 1:14:32
  good. Yeah.
• 1:14:32
  >> And then um you can't you I think you
• 1:14:35
  can't write you can't write a joke and
• 1:14:37
  be like this one is going to definitely
• 1:14:39
  resonate.
• 1:14:40
  >> Um
• 1:14:41
  >> no no you can't. Um but you can suspect
• 1:14:44
  it. Yeah.
• 1:14:46
  >> And I've suspected it before. And then
• 1:14:49
  And you Yeah. But you still don't really
• 1:14:51
  know when you say you want it to be B or
• 1:14:52
  C tier. Is that just you're just like
• 1:14:54
  that's a goal? That's like a goal.
• 1:14:56
  >> It's an expectation. Yeah. Yeah. I want
• 1:14:58
  it to at least be this good
• 1:14:59
  >> or or more like or like
• 1:15:00
  >> at least work this well.
• 1:15:01
  >> I don't mind if I think it's a little
• 1:15:02
  bad. Yes.
• 1:15:03
  >> When I first write it because that's
• 1:15:05
  because it's not done yet.
• 1:15:06
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think if I
• 1:15:08
  went I think if I was writing jokes and
• 1:15:11
  I was like every joke I write needs to
• 1:15:13
  be S tier,
• 1:15:14
  >> you wouldn't write anything.
• 1:15:15
  >> I think I would lose my mind. Yeah.
• 1:15:16
  >> You would not write jokes.
• 1:15:17
  >> Exactly. Exactly. So, okay.
• 1:15:19
  >> Huge part of writing is allowing
• 1:15:21
  yourself to write bad stuff. In fact,
• 1:15:24
  >> it's the most important part of it.
• 1:15:25
  >> Yeah.
• 1:15:26
  >> It's the most important part is allowing
• 1:15:27
  yourself to be bad.
• 1:15:28
  >> My butterfly pavilion. Yeah.
• 1:15:30
  >> Joke.
• 1:15:31
  >> That was not the original punch line.
• 1:15:33
  Wasp gazebo.
• 1:15:34
  >> Yeah. But that's like is the whole joke
• 1:15:36
  now.
• 1:15:37
  >> Yes. [laughter]
• 1:15:38
  >> Yeah.
• 1:15:38
  >> But the original because I was like
• 1:15:40
  butterfly pavilion and originally I did
• 1:15:42
  like a I did do like another bug and I
• 1:15:44
  just like I think I did zone.
• 1:15:46
  >> I was like I was like enter the enter
• 1:15:48
  the enter the um like the the cockroach
• 1:15:51
  zone,
• 1:15:52
  >> right? Okay.
• 1:15:52
  >> But cockroach zone is not like a real
• 1:15:54
  thing. Yeah.
• 1:15:54
  >> And then I I like I like thought about I
• 1:15:56
  was like the wasp zone. I was like, "Oh,
• 1:15:58
  there's wasps in gazebo." Like I got to
• 1:16:00
  that from that like but the the first
• 1:16:03
  version of the joke
• 1:16:05
  >> is like C tier
• 1:16:06
  >> and then like I and then the final
• 1:16:08
  version of the joke is is I like much
• 1:16:09
  better. You know what I mean? It's
• 1:16:10
  >> Yeah. Right. Right.
• 1:16:11
  >> Higher tier.
• 1:16:12
  >> Uh and then and then audiences um
• 1:16:15
  >> don't like it as much. Isn't that funny?
• 1:16:18
  Um Butterfly Pavilion is a really
• 1:16:21
  [ __ ] tricky joke for me to do because
• 1:16:23
  it's the name of my show and it doesn't
• 1:16:25
  always work,
• 1:16:26
  >> right? It doesn't matter though. I know.
• 1:16:30
  [laughter]
• 1:16:31
  >> Uh yeah. Yeah. I'm trying that relates
• 1:16:34
  to um
• 1:16:36
  >> how that relates to sketch like
• 1:16:38
  >> you try to make one that's like
• 1:16:41
  >> you're trying to make it a tier, but
• 1:16:42
  >> Yeah.
• 1:16:43
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like at what
• 1:16:45
  point,
• 1:16:46
  >> you know, you just keep trying to kind
• 1:16:48
  of tighten it. Um, it's it's interesting
• 1:16:52
  because the idea still needs to be
• 1:16:53
  there, but there's definitely like a
• 1:16:54
  tightening aspect of like there's
• 1:16:57
  definitely an aspect of it that's like I
• 1:16:58
  need to make a sketch next Monday to
• 1:17:00
  two.
• 1:17:01
  >> There's a there's an aspect of holding
• 1:17:03
  myself to that that makes me go like,
• 1:17:05
  okay,
• 1:17:07
  >> I don't have all my like maybe my best
• 1:17:11
  idea is going to require something that
• 1:17:12
  I can't get this week or I don't have
• 1:17:14
  something for this week specifically.
• 1:17:16
  So, I'll go back, look at all my old
• 1:17:17
  ideas, my old notes, find something that
• 1:17:20
  is was a kind of an idea, but not that
• 1:17:22
  exciting. Um, it didn't excite me enough
• 1:17:24
  to like make it immediately. You know,
• 1:17:26
  those are the best ideas when I'm like,
• 1:17:28
  "This is going to be next week's sketch
• 1:17:29
  because it is the most exciting idea in
• 1:17:31
  my brain." Yeah.
• 1:17:31
  >> Um, but when I go back and find like an
• 1:17:33
  old idea, then that's an interesting
• 1:17:36
  different kind of approach to a sketch
• 1:17:39
  >> because that's me trying to I'm going to
• 1:17:41
  take some time to try to turn this into
• 1:17:43
  something.
• 1:17:44
  >> Yeah. I'm going to be trying to turn
• 1:17:45
  this idea that isn't totally exciting
• 1:17:48
  out of the gate into something. Um
• 1:17:52
  whereas and then the other version Yeah.
• 1:17:53
  is when it's like the idea is like the
• 1:17:56
  whole when it comes together it's so
• 1:17:57
  beautiful. Like when when it comes
• 1:17:59
  together easily that's the that's the
• 1:18:01
  funny part about it is that the ones
• 1:18:03
  that do really well are the easy are the
• 1:18:05
  ones that are easy. [laughter] And it's
• 1:18:06
  because
• 1:18:07
  >> it's it came the idea came together. The
• 1:18:10
  idea presented itself in a way that was
• 1:18:11
  so obvious
• 1:18:12
  >> that it was like, "Oh, of course this is
• 1:18:14
  what happens next. Of course, this is
• 1:18:17
  how it ends." Because the idea was so um
• 1:18:21
  it just it was just such a complete idea
• 1:18:24
  from the start.
• 1:18:24
  >> Yes. You know,
• 1:18:25
  >> do you ever have this thing of like you
• 1:18:26
  got an old sketch idea, but you didn't
• 1:18:29
  know how to make it good back then? Yes.
• 1:18:31
  >> But now because you've got this
• 1:18:33
  experience and and you know how to
• 1:18:34
  execute it, you know how to do the
• 1:18:35
  proper, etc. So satisfying. That's the
• 1:18:38
  best. Yes. I don't know if I can think
• 1:18:39
  of like a specific example out of out of
• 1:18:41
  the gate, but it is s I was I was going
• 1:18:44
  through that recently like looking
• 1:18:45
  through my old sketches and yes, there's
• 1:18:47
  moments where I'm like, "Oh yeah, that
• 1:18:49
  idea." Like
• 1:18:49
  >> yeah,
• 1:18:50
  >> like oh yeah, why didn't I do that
• 1:18:51
  before? Cuz I thought it would be
• 1:18:52
  difficult to do this, this, and this.
• 1:18:54
  And now I'm like, "Oh, that's not hard
• 1:18:55
  at all." Like [laughter] like what the
• 1:18:57
  hell? Um yeah, that's really cool when
• 1:18:59
  that happens cuz that's also one of
• 1:19:01
  those moments where you're like, "Oh,
• 1:19:02
  I'm getting better at this." Oh, we
• 1:19:04
  should also reveal I did a sketch with
• 1:19:06
  cheese parade back in 2019.
• 1:19:08
  >> Got you to a sketch. You're not going to
• 1:19:10
  edit this. [laughter]
• 1:19:12
  >> Danny's fixing a wedgie. The
• 1:19:13
  government's watching him.
• 1:19:14
  >> Yeah.
• 1:19:15
  >> Yeah. That the premise of the sketch is
• 1:19:17
  that uh I fixed the wedgie.
• 1:19:19
  >> He fixes a wedgie and it cuts to like a
• 1:19:21
  government facility and they're like
• 1:19:23
  there, right there. And it's like
• 1:19:25
  rewinding. That's where he fixes the
• 1:19:26
  wedgie and it does one of those like
• 1:19:28
  >> closeup grainy close-ups on the
• 1:19:31
  computer. Yeah.
• 1:19:32
  >> You know? [laughter]
• 1:19:32
  >> Yeah. It It's just a dumb version of a
• 1:19:34
  trope which is like such a basic kind of
• 1:19:37
  >> like a CSI type thing.
• 1:19:38
  >> Yeah. Or like you know the dramatic end
• 1:19:40
  of a movie where they're looking at the
• 1:19:42
  guy they found the suspect and they're
• 1:19:44
  like and they're like touching the
• 1:19:46
  screen like there you are. Yeah. Like
• 1:19:48
  they finally we got him.
• 1:19:49
  >> Yeah. We got him. That's the Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  >> The the line is get me the director.
• 1:19:54
  Tell him we got the son of a [ __ ]
• 1:19:55
  [laughter]
• 1:19:56
  >> Zooms in on your face. Oh, of course
• 1:19:58
  >> I remember the way it looked. I just
• 1:19:59
  actually re-edited it because I was um
• 1:20:01
  because I'm making a compilation of all
• 1:20:03
  my sketches.
• 1:20:04
  >> Oh, really?
• 1:20:04
  >> Yeah.
• 1:20:05
  >> Oh [ __ ]
• 1:20:06
  >> Um editing everything into a
• 1:20:09
  >> full
• 1:20:10
  >> into a full screen 4x3 aspect ratio.
• 1:20:14
  >> Oh yeah. What's what's next for Bos?
• 1:20:16
  >> That's what's next. That's what's being
• 1:20:17
  worked on right now. There's merch and
• 1:20:19
  there's a compilation and then in the
• 1:20:21
  very long distance eventually there will
• 1:20:23
  be longer stuff with stories because
• 1:20:26
  that's what I want to do. Um,
• 1:20:29
  >> yeah. Long long form. You're doing a
• 1:20:31
  >> long form like like like a almost not a
• 1:20:34
  sitcom but a sitcom. Always sunny in
• 1:20:36
  Philadelphia kind of some kind something
• 1:20:39
  like that. Something where it's like or
• 1:20:41
  like
• 1:20:42
  >> sketches in a sequence. You know, every
• 1:20:44
  scene's got to feel like a sketch. But
• 1:20:45
  this is another thing where it's like I
• 1:20:47
  need to make it bad to make it. You know
• 1:20:49
  what I mean?
• 1:20:49
  >> Yeah.
• 1:20:50
  >> Because it's another thing I got to
• 1:20:51
  learn. So that's why I'm putting it off.
• 1:20:53
  I I don't listen to my own advice.
• 1:20:56
  >> It's like I'm going to Yeah. It's not
• 1:20:58
  going to be I mean I'm sure everyone
• 1:21:00
  will be like it's fine it's you know but
• 1:21:03
  I'm like um I just know it's another
• 1:21:06
  skill that I'm not that I haven't been
• 1:21:08
  doing so I'm therefore will not be great
• 1:21:10
  at it.
• 1:21:11
  >> You know the fifth version will be the
• 1:21:12
  good one. Yes. And it's like I um
• 1:21:14
  >> Yes. Exactly. It sucks that I need to
• 1:21:17
  make five episodes so I can have that
• 1:21:18
  one really good one.
• 1:21:20
  I uh I basically so I do want ladders
• 1:21:24
  and that's the main thing I've obviously
• 1:21:27
  been working on. Um but sometimes I
• 1:21:30
  branch out and I'm like it okay I should
• 1:21:32
  write a story. I should write a rant and
• 1:21:34
  I end up and I okay I'll write a story
• 1:21:37
  >> and I'll I so far I've only done one
• 1:21:39
  story that's like really been like a
• 1:21:40
  story story. Yeah. Um, but like a lot of
• 1:21:43
  the times when I write a story, I end up
• 1:21:44
  going like, well that's just here's the
• 1:21:46
  one joke from that and it becomes a
• 1:21:49
  oneliner because that's the only thing I
• 1:21:50
  know how to do already anyway. So it's
• 1:21:51
  this thing of like I'm trying to learn
• 1:21:52
  this other thing but I keep
• 1:21:54
  >> doing the thing I know.
• 1:21:55
  >> That's so true. That happens to me too.
• 1:21:57
  Yeah.
• 1:21:57
  >> I feel like I I want to force myself to
• 1:21:59
  do a rant.
• 1:21:59
  >> Yeah.
• 1:22:00
  >> Uh or something. But like I want to it'd
• 1:22:03
  be funny if it'd be kind of interesting
• 1:22:04
  for me to suddenly put out a reel that
• 1:22:06
  is a rant.
• 1:22:08
  >> Yeah.
• 1:22:08
  >> I think that'd be an interesting thing
• 1:22:09
  to do.
• 1:22:10
  >> That is interesting. But I' but I'd have
• 1:22:12
  to do like 10 rants behind the scenes
• 1:22:16
  before I was ever comfortable putting
• 1:22:17
  one out. You know what I mean?
• 1:22:19
  >> I don't know why I didn't realize this
• 1:22:20
  before, but you're like the stand-up
• 1:22:21
  comedy version of what I do cuz
• 1:22:24
  >> because the sketches are so short, you
• 1:22:26
  know? They're they almost are like
• 1:22:27
  oneliner sketches and like a longer
• 1:22:30
  sketch that's like three minutes or even
• 1:22:32
  like a longer video with a story would
• 1:22:33
  be the equivalent of a rant or a longer
• 1:22:35
  form type of standup, right? But I have
• 1:22:37
  the same thing where if like if I'm
• 1:22:39
  writing a long thing and it's and I
• 1:22:42
  think it's good, there's definitely a
• 1:22:43
  good sketch in there. Yes.
• 1:22:45
  >> And then it's like, well, why won't I
• 1:22:46
  just make that sketch like I have it
• 1:22:49
  like I got to make one this week anyway,
• 1:22:50
  you know? So it's like the idea. So then
• 1:22:53
  that's where the ideas end up going. I
• 1:22:54
  almost I'm worried that I need to not
• 1:22:56
  make a sketch. I need to stop making one
• 1:22:58
  every week in order to make something
• 1:23:00
  longer. But I don't know if that's the
• 1:23:01
  case or not. I think I think also I
• 1:23:03
  really like this framing of like these
• 1:23:05
  types of sketches are like this type of
• 1:23:06
  standup. Um but this the thing we were
• 1:23:08
  saying before of like when people do
• 1:23:10
  those character type things where
• 1:23:11
  they're like the weird roommate. Um that
• 1:23:13
  is the standup equivalent would be um
• 1:23:17
  >> like uh who's dating or or men and women
• 1:23:21
  are like this or like like it's like you
• 1:23:23
  know what I mean?
• 1:23:24
  >> Yes. Yes. Yes.
• 1:23:26
  >> Or like bisexual girls are like this or
• 1:23:28
  whatever.
• 1:23:28
  >> Right. Right. Right. That would be um
• 1:23:30
  Right. Right. It's like it's like the
• 1:23:32
  same people who are doing that type of
• 1:23:33
  standup are doing type that type of
• 1:23:35
  sketch. Um which can be good and funny.
• 1:23:37
  I'm not trying to
• 1:23:38
  >> Exactly. It can it can be. Um I don't
• 1:23:40
  know.
• 1:23:40
  >> It can also be annoying as hell.
• 1:23:41
  >> It can be as well. Well, you
• 1:23:43
  >> But oneliners can be bad too. Like
• 1:23:44
  oneliners can be absolute dog [ __ ] It's
• 1:23:47
  always like
• 1:23:47
  >> And I've done them. I've done
• 1:23:49
  >> Is it coming from a place of their
• 1:23:51
  genuine sort of artistic sensibilities
• 1:23:54
  or are they just doing what they see
• 1:23:56
  everyone else doing?
• 1:23:57
  >> Yeah.
• 1:23:57
  >> That's that's the difference between
• 1:23:59
  whether it's good or bad,
• 1:24:00
  >> you know. Okay. [snorts] Okay.
• 1:24:02
  Ironically, part of the meta for the
• 1:24:05
  algorithm is that playing to the
• 1:24:08
  algorithm is bad.
• 1:24:12
  It can it can do well. It can do well in
• 1:24:15
  the algorithm, but okay. Um
• 1:24:18
  >> I think a lot of people don't realize
• 1:24:19
  that there Okay, there's follower count.
• 1:24:21
  >> Yeah.
• 1:24:21
  >> But then there's um respect.
• 1:24:24
  >> YES. Your audience, your actual people.
• 1:24:28
  >> Yeah.
• 1:24:29
  >> They're humans. Treat them like humans.
• 1:24:31
  >> Yeah.
• 1:24:31
  >> Oh my god. No. This You know what really
• 1:24:33
  annoys me is when I see a funny I see a
• 1:24:36
  video with a funny concept
• 1:24:40
  >> and I'm like that's funny. And then I go
• 1:24:42
  to the page and it's all their whole
• 1:24:44
  page is just different versions of that
• 1:24:47
  concept because they were like they
• 1:24:49
  found something that works and they just
• 1:24:51
  do it over and over again.
• 1:24:52
  >> Yeah. But it's like, okay, but now this
• 1:24:55
  is this is what you do now. And why
• 1:24:57
  would I follow you? And why do I care
• 1:24:59
  about you? And like, what who cares
• 1:25:00
  about any of this? Like,
• 1:25:02
  >> yeah, people go to my page like, oh, oh,
• 1:25:03
  he does oneliners every video. No.
• 1:25:05
  >> Yeah. No, but it's like it's as if it's
• 1:25:07
  as if every video was the same jokes. It
• 1:25:09
  was just this literally the same five
• 1:25:11
  jokes. Cuz you were like, those are the
• 1:25:12
  five that go viral. Like, like, why
• 1:25:14
  wouldn't I just do that? And then like,
• 1:25:16
  why would I follow you? It's like, oh,
• 1:25:17
  I've seen everything he does now.
• 1:25:19
  >> You ever follow a musician on like
• 1:25:21
  TikTok or something? And then every
• 1:25:23
  single [ __ ] video they posted the
• 1:25:25
  same song. And you're like, "Yeah, like
• 1:25:27
  like I get it. I followed you because
• 1:25:29
  that song." Yeah. Stop posting that
• 1:25:31
  song.
• 1:25:31
  >> It's tough. Music's hard. I have more
• 1:25:33
  sympathy. I have more sympathy for them
• 1:25:35
  because they're really trying to
• 1:25:38
  >> just get people to go to a different
• 1:25:40
  platform.
• 1:25:41
  >> That's true.
• 1:25:41
  >> And that's hard.
• 1:25:43
  >> Um they're trying to get people to go to
• 1:25:45
  Spotify like or whatever. Um
• 1:25:47
  >> whereas Spotify
• 1:25:49
  >> whereas we don't have to do that. We
• 1:25:51
  have them where we want them already.
• 1:25:53
  So, they're playing an even harder game.
• 1:25:55
  I I have uh
• 1:25:56
  >> I'm going to time I'm going to time
• 1:25:57
  crunch with Spotify because I um
• 1:26:00
  >> I cancelled my subscription, but I still
• 1:26:01
  have a little bit left
• 1:26:03
  >> and I need to I haven't figured out
• 1:26:05
  exactly where I'm migrating to like to
• 1:26:07
  get all my music. So, I'm like
• 1:26:09
  >> right
• 1:26:09
  >> I am like uh like am I going to become
• 1:26:11
  like a YouTube music guy or like what's
• 1:26:13
  what's the plan? You know what I mean?
• 1:26:14
  >> Yeah. Right. YouTube music, Apple Music
• 1:26:15
  >> or I'll just listen to less music. I
• 1:26:17
  mean, I am like maybe I'll maybe I'll
• 1:26:18
  earnestly just like try to
• 1:26:20
  >> Dude, start buying CDs.
• 1:26:21
  >> Yeah, I don't know. I am like there
• 1:26:24
  needs to be something different.
• 1:26:25
  >> There's got to be there's got to be.
• 1:26:28
  >> And if enough enough people if enough
• 1:26:29
  people get off of Spotify, like
• 1:26:31
  something would earnestly fill the void.
• 1:26:33
  >> That's true.
• 1:26:34
  >> Um
• 1:26:35
  they were so cool back in the day. You
• 1:26:37
  remember that?
• 1:26:38
  >> I mean, yeah. It was like it was like
• 1:26:39
  amazing. Like, oh, you could just listen
• 1:26:41
  to literally everything. And now they're
• 1:26:43
  like we're training AI music and stuff.
• 1:26:47
  So lame.
• 1:26:48
  >> That's the goose.
• 1:26:49
  >> The goose. Um I'm going to need the
• 1:26:51
  orange beak, but I got like the general
• 1:26:53
  top of him here.
• 1:26:54
  >> Oh, that's great.
• 1:26:55
  >> So he's going to go like
• 1:26:57
  >> that's fun.
• 1:26:58
  >> Yeah.
• 1:27:01
  >> And I think I think at an hour maybe.
• 1:27:03
  Okay, we could wrap up uh shortly.
• 1:27:05
  >> Okay.
• 1:27:06
  >> You got any uh you got any ideas that
• 1:27:08
  are that you got to get out to the
• 1:27:09
  public? ideas in general.
• 1:27:12
  >> I love I feel like this podcast is a lot
• 1:27:14
  of me just complaining about the meta,
• 1:27:16
  but that is but as the
• 1:27:17
  >> I don't think we were complaining. I
• 1:27:18
  think as much as I think we were being
• 1:27:20
  positive. I was being positive about the
• 1:27:22
  process of learning.
• 1:27:22
  >> Yeah. I love the process of learning.
• 1:27:24
  >> That's what I want to put out there to
• 1:27:26
  people is
• 1:27:27
  >> I'm excited to try to do a rant. Sorry.
• 1:27:29
  What?
• 1:27:29
  >> Be excited about the process. Yeah.
• 1:27:31
  Yeah. Exactly. Um because you'll grow
• 1:27:34
  and you'll learn something that you
• 1:27:35
  haven't even you don't even know you
• 1:27:37
  need to learn.
• 1:27:39
  >> Yes. But yeah, I do need to
• 1:27:41
  >> I have fallen in love with embroidery,
• 1:27:43
  by the way. This [ __ ] [ __ ]
• 1:27:44
  >> Yeah.
• 1:27:45
  >> Um I Okay. Like it's just like uh
• 1:27:50
  part of the part of the thing with
• 1:27:51
  Tourette's is I also have like I have a
• 1:27:53
  lot of like touch OCD type stuff.
• 1:27:54
  >> Right. Right. Right.
• 1:27:55
  >> Um I I've tried to do like clay type
• 1:27:58
  things.
• 1:27:58
  >> Yeah. So you like to fiddle with things.
• 1:27:59
  You like to fidget.
• 1:28:01
  >> Yeah. Yeah. And clay clay was good.
• 1:28:04
  >> No, this has been good.
• 1:28:05
  >> Some But some stuff really frustrates
• 1:28:08
  me. Oh, interesting.
• 1:28:09
  >> Like I can't do certain
• 1:28:11
  >> movements, but there's something about
• 1:28:14
  the pressure of the having to like hold
• 1:28:16
  the pressure on the needle the whole
• 1:28:17
  time and feeling it physically go
• 1:28:19
  through the thing. It's [ __ ] just
• 1:28:21
  really satisfying both in terms of
• 1:28:24
  process, but also in terms of um I get
• 1:28:27
  to do a creative thing and then I also
• 1:28:29
  get to wear it around and be like,
• 1:28:31
  "Yeah, I made this." And like I do think
• 1:28:33
  that I I think
• 1:28:34
  >> I've been Okay, I I'm curious how you
• 1:28:37
  feel about this. I've been thinking
• 1:28:39
  about the idea of attention or the need
• 1:28:42
  for attention.
• 1:28:42
  >> Oh yeah.
• 1:28:43
  >> And I
• 1:28:44
  >> Well, I don't think I for the a long
• 1:28:47
  time in comedy, I I didn't think I had
• 1:28:50
  that. I thought I was very oriented
• 1:28:52
  towards jokes. Um, and I still
• 1:28:57
  like I Okay, if I like if I could quit
• 1:29:00
  comedy and just go have coffee in a
• 1:29:02
  garden tomorrow, I still think I'd want
• 1:29:04
  to do comedy, but I I don't know if I
• 1:29:07
  would mind like I'm not interested in
• 1:29:10
  >> fame [snorts] for its own sake.
• 1:29:12
  >> Yeah.
• 1:29:13
  >> Um, but lately I've been thinking about
• 1:29:15
  like, do I do like certain degrees of
• 1:29:17
  positive attention? Yeah.
• 1:29:18
  >> And I'm trying to figure out my
• 1:29:20
  relationship to that.
• 1:29:20
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think about that,
• 1:29:22
  too.
• 1:29:22
  >> Have an unhealthy. What's your What are
• 1:29:23
  your thoughts?
• 1:29:24
  >> Well, I think um first of all, if I
• 1:29:27
  could have the money without the fame,
• 1:29:29
  fame to me is a path to get money. If I
• 1:29:31
  could have the money without the fame, I
• 1:29:33
  don't really care about the fame that
• 1:29:34
  much at all. Right.
• 1:29:35
  >> Um I just know that I can I would be
• 1:29:38
  very capable of turning fame into money.
• 1:29:39
  So that's what it's worth to me.
• 1:29:41
  >> Um
• 1:29:41
  >> what do you want money for? Because
• 1:29:43
  that's a new that's
• 1:29:45
  >> I know that's the my answer. [laughter]
• 1:29:48
  >> Uh power. I no power. No, I'm working on
• 1:29:51
  a bit about money.
• 1:29:53
  >> Well, to me, money is not that
• 1:29:54
  important, but it is night. It's makes
• 1:29:57
  you more attractive. It makes you
• 1:29:59
  hotter. All right, there. I said it.
• 1:30:00
  [laughter]
• 1:30:00
  >> I honestly believe that. I think that um
• 1:30:05
  yeah, basically fame and money are good
• 1:30:08
  for being hot and getting laid.
• 1:30:12
  >> And beyond that, money is good for
• 1:30:15
  supporting a child. So, either you're
• 1:30:18
  you're gonna go one or two routes.
• 1:30:20
  >> You're going to go the wholesome family
• 1:30:22
  route and you're going to support a
• 1:30:24
  child, which is a great selfless thing
• 1:30:26
  to do with your money, or you're just
• 1:30:28
  going to try to be as hot and as you can
• 1:30:31
  and um just kind of like have fun and
• 1:30:35
  sleep around. And you'll go one of those
• 1:30:37
  two routes.
• 1:30:39
  >> And those are the two routes. But what
• 1:30:41
  you don't want to do is get trapped in a
• 1:30:44
  in a neither one. That's why I always am
• 1:30:46
  like a monogous relationship where
• 1:30:48
  you're not gonna have a kid. I'm always
• 1:30:50
  like, what's going on here? Like where
• 1:30:52
  where do you even what what are you even
• 1:30:54
  motivated to do, you know?
• 1:30:56
  >> Okay.
• 1:30:56
  >> Because it's like
• 1:30:59
  >> why why would I put work into something
• 1:31:00
  I'm already having sex with this woman?
• 1:31:03
  >> This is a fascinating This is not
• 1:31:04
  [laughter] I uh
• 1:31:07
  Okay,
• 1:31:08
  >> that's what money's worth to me. That's
• 1:31:10
  that's an interesting well
• 1:31:12
  >> it is just survi like yeah survival like
• 1:31:14
  isn't enough for me for some reason.
• 1:31:15
  >> I mean okay so I've been thinking about
• 1:31:17
  this idea of um what is the point of
• 1:31:20
  money and I think that's an interesting
• 1:31:21
  thing of um I the idea of
• 1:31:27
  sex and and stuff and I I think I think
• 1:31:28
  that I think that the desire for sex is
• 1:31:31
  a very natural thing. Yeah. And uh and
• 1:31:33
  I'm and I'm pro that. I don't I don't
• 1:31:36
  think that I see what you're saying. I
• 1:31:38
  um I don't think that money itself is
• 1:31:41
  the thing that this idea of getting laid
• 1:31:44
  from having money. I
• 1:31:44
  >> No, no, no. Oh, I should clarify that a
• 1:31:46
  lot. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Don't clip
• 1:31:48
  that. Clarify that. I don't think that
• 1:31:51
  just having money equals First of all,
• 1:31:53
  having money makes literally everything
• 1:31:55
  easier in life.
• 1:31:57
  >> That's the point. Yeah.
• 1:31:58
  >> Um, it makes so like
• 1:32:01
  >> and but but that's the number one thing
• 1:32:02
  that I want to be but it's [laughter]
• 1:32:04
  like you can but like you know having
• 1:32:07
  your own house like just stuff like that
• 1:32:09
  and then also having a having attained
• 1:32:12
  your money through an interesting means
• 1:32:14
  such as comedy or having a skill. The
• 1:32:18
  skill um some people don't understand a
• 1:32:21
  skill until it makes money.
• 1:32:23
  >> They they don't value the skill until it
• 1:32:25
  makes money. So once you So my reasoning
• 1:32:30
  for putting the work in for turning a
• 1:32:34
  skill into money is because that is
• 1:32:37
  generally valued by people
• 1:32:39
  >> and [snorts]
• 1:32:41
  you know women would probably be like
• 1:32:43
  the highest one that I'm trying to if
• 1:32:45
  I'm being honest you know. Um
• 1:32:49
  >> so [snorts] yeah turning a skill into
• 1:32:51
  money and it's like that just makes you
• 1:32:53
  more attractive. It's not even like a,
• 1:32:55
  oh, I would like spend a bunch of money
• 1:32:57
  on them on a date and then they'd have
• 1:32:58
  to have sex. It's not that at all.
• 1:33:00
  >> Or it's not. Yes. I didn't think so. Or
• 1:33:02
  this idea of um having a bunch of money
• 1:33:05
  uh and you're getting like gold diggers.
• 1:33:08
  It's not like the point of the idea.
• 1:33:09
  It's more of um Okay. Well, honestly,
• 1:33:11
  it's more of like uh you're trying to do
• 1:33:13
  a creative artistic thing and getting a
• 1:33:16
  certain degree of respect and uh
• 1:33:19
  awareness from that. and then somebody
• 1:33:21
  who uh is like, "Oh, I really like that
• 1:33:24
  you are doing that thing and I like how
• 1:33:26
  you do it." Right. You're hoping to meet
• 1:33:28
  kind of people who are into that in that
• 1:33:29
  way. Yeah.
• 1:33:30
  >> The money side of it. Okay. Here's my
• 1:33:32
  thoughts on it is that it does two main
• 1:33:34
  things, needs and wants.
• 1:33:36
  >> Yeah.
• 1:33:37
  >> Um and I think that needs are stuff like
• 1:33:39
  money makes it so that like your family
• 1:33:42
  never has to be hungry ever again if you
• 1:33:44
  get enough money, right?
• 1:33:45
  >> Um and or healthc care's taken care of,
• 1:33:48
  right? Um but in terms of wants that is
• 1:33:51
  when we get stuff like um okay so how do
• 1:33:54
  I translate this into having an
• 1:33:56
  incredible muffin
• 1:33:59
  >> like food
• 1:34:00
  >> um
• 1:34:01
  >> pleasures pleasures of the flesh I think
• 1:34:04
  are
• 1:34:04
  >> okay money is both um
• 1:34:07
  >> let me and all the homies are alive
• 1:34:10
  great and then it becomes um
• 1:34:13
  >> pleasure pleasures of flesh or there's
• 1:34:15
  also altruistic types like
• 1:34:16
  >> how much fun can we have
• 1:34:17
  >> right And then there's good and then
• 1:34:19
  there's bad uses of money in terms of uh
• 1:34:21
  power stuff where it's like do I then
• 1:34:23
  use it to help others or do I use it
• 1:34:26
  like Elon Musk to feel like a god and
• 1:34:28
  influence elections.
• 1:34:29
  >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah.
• 1:34:31
  >> But that's also the wants element of
• 1:34:33
  your true character is revealed I think
• 1:34:34
  from a certain degree of money where
• 1:34:36
  it's like
• 1:34:36
  >> Yeah.
• 1:34:38
  >> Right.
• 1:34:38
  >> What am I using it on? You know what I
• 1:34:39
  mean?
• 1:34:40
  >> Yes. Yes. Yes. And when I say like
• 1:34:42
  making money to get laid, it actually is
• 1:34:44
  [laughter] it actually is less of like
• 1:34:47
  wielding the power of money and more as
• 1:34:49
  money as a signifier of that I was smart
• 1:34:53
  enough to make it. Like I was I was
• 1:34:55
  successful enough to make it. I think
• 1:34:56
  that's what makes it attractive, right?
• 1:34:58
  It's like it's like I'm more attractive
• 1:35:01
  because I obviously had some kind I
• 1:35:04
  figured something out,
• 1:35:05
  >> you know? I figured something and it's
• 1:35:08
  not even like it's not like oh I'm just
• 1:35:10
  going to like throw money at stuff that
• 1:35:13
  I want and get stuff. It has actually
• 1:35:15
  nothing to do with the spending of the
• 1:35:16
  money. It's literally just um
• 1:35:18
  >> the the social signifier
• 1:35:20
  >> the social signifier that that you've
• 1:35:22
  succeeded at the thing that you wanted.
• 1:35:24
  >> Yeah.
• 1:35:24
  >> And therefore you
• 1:35:27
  >> you know you set a goal, you worked at
• 1:35:28
  it, you got it. What's not attractive
• 1:35:30
  about that?
• 1:35:31
  >> Everyone likes [laughter] that.
• 1:35:32
  >> The status and power metag game. Yeah.
• 1:35:35
  is an interesting idea.
• 1:35:36
  >> Oh my god.
• 1:35:37
  >> And I Well, guys, okay. Well, I like
• 1:35:39
  that you're being I like how honest and
• 1:35:41
  straightforward you are.
• 1:35:43
  >> I think a lot of people are extremely
• 1:35:46
  >> um I think deliberately hiding their
• 1:35:50
  intent with money and power because they
• 1:35:53
  have nefarious intent.
• 1:35:55
  >> Right.
• 1:35:55
  >> Um you know, some of these billionaires
• 1:35:57
  literally are going to like the
• 1:35:58
  pedophile island.
• 1:35:59
  >> Right. Right. Exactly. which is like
• 1:36:01
  it's crazy that uh it's an island
• 1:36:04
  entirely just inhabited by pedophiles. I
• 1:36:06
  would if I was a pedophile, I would want
• 1:36:08
  to go to Kid Island. [laughter]
• 1:36:10
  >> Sorry.
• 1:36:11
  >> No, that's good. That's good.
• 1:36:15
  >> That's dumb as hell. But um
• 1:36:17
  >> but I for me
• 1:36:20
  >> uh
• 1:36:21
  >> it's weird. It's I some people like I
• 1:36:24
  always have to like explain it. I I like
• 1:36:26
  to always say stuff too in like the most
• 1:36:27
  shocking way up front and then and then
• 1:36:29
  like walk it back.
• 1:36:30
  >> Well, that's an interesting that's
• 1:36:32
  that's one of the ways that um so
• 1:36:34
  famously like that's how Bill Bird will
• 1:36:36
  do like a rant or something. It's like
• 1:36:38
  you upfront go I want money for sex and
• 1:36:41
  the crowd goes whoa yeah
• 1:36:43
  >> and you go
• 1:36:44
  >> listen like I
• 1:36:45
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:46
  >> You guys also want to have sex with
• 1:36:47
  people.
• 1:36:47
  >> Yes. And money is also but but I think
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  that um I think I I think I don't view
• 1:36:54
  money as the signifier of my success in
• 1:36:58
  a in a way like I think I think because
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  I there's a lot of people who have money
• 1:37:01
  and I don't view it as attached to like
• 1:37:03
  the quality of their work or their
• 1:37:05
  ideas. Like Elon Musk is a Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:37:07
  Yeah. Um, but I but I I would um I guess
• 1:37:12
  I don't mind having sex with people who
• 1:37:15
  are interested in um who like the work
• 1:37:18
  and who I have a a good temporal
• 1:37:21
  connection with in that moment and I'm
• 1:37:22
  like, "Oh, this is a nice person. We're
• 1:37:23
  having fun, etc." Um in a in like a in
• 1:37:26
  like a brief span. Yeah.
• 1:37:27
  >> Um
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  >> but uh
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  >> I'm I don't know. It's not necessarily
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  >> It's less money and more
• 1:37:34
  >> well that that doesn't bring me as much
• 1:37:36
  joy. um is what I found uh is that
• 1:37:40
  because it because casual sex is
• 1:37:42
  extremely temporary. Yeah.
• 1:37:43
  >> Um
• 1:37:44
  >> and it's not like a real deep
• 1:37:46
  >> Yeah.
• 1:37:47
  >> relationship thing. Um what I like about
• 1:37:49
  it is the part where you come your nut.
• 1:37:50
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:37:52
  >> You you know that part. Yeah.
• 1:37:54
  >> Just kidding. [laughter] Just kidding.
• 1:37:55
  There's other elements of I like it.
• 1:37:56
  >> There's other elements.
• 1:37:58
  >> But uh but uh
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  >> at least I know you're not going to clip
• 1:38:01
  this in a way. [laughter]
• 1:38:03
  >> You can clip the hell out of this part.
• 1:38:05
  But I do but I but I do but I guess um
• 1:38:09
  >> I that is to me is not my primary
• 1:38:13
  driving factor. Um
• 1:38:15
  >> but
• 1:38:17
  >> uh if I meet the love of my life because
• 1:38:19
  I'm doing this comedy and they identify
• 1:38:22
  with it strongly and
• 1:38:24
  >> they're very funny to me and I identify
• 1:38:25
  strongly with like their whole thing.
• 1:38:27
  Yeah.
• 1:38:27
  >> Um that is absolutely part of the goal
• 1:38:29
  architecture, right? You know what I
• 1:38:30
  mean?
• 1:38:31
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you're putting
• 1:38:32
  yourself there.
• 1:38:33
  >> Yeah. I'm in it for love a little bit.
• 1:38:35
  >> You are. Yeah.
• 1:38:36
  >> That's why everybody That's That's let
• 1:38:38
  me put it in a more wholesome way.
• 1:38:40
  >> But I don't mind. But
• 1:38:40
  >> everyone's a little bit in this for
• 1:38:42
  love.
• 1:38:42
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
• 1:38:43
  >> Everyone's a little bit in it for love.
• 1:38:45
  >> But I But it I would be lying to say
• 1:38:47
  >> I like saying love instead of getting
• 1:38:48
  laid. That that fixes the whole thing
• 1:38:51
  actually. [laughter]
• 1:38:52
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:38:53
  >> It is. Yeah. But it's the same thing.
• 1:38:54
  >> But I would be I would be lying if I
• 1:38:56
  said that I also wasn't also down to
• 1:38:59
  sometimes uh [ __ ] suck,
• 1:39:02
  >> right?
• 1:39:02
  >> Is part of Great clarification. Yeah.
• 1:39:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:39:05
  >> You know what I mean?
• 1:39:06
  >> That's funny. I had to I have to clarify
• 1:39:09
  uh love and then you have to clarify.
• 1:39:11
  No, but also sucking.
• 1:39:12
  >> Yeah. [laughter]
• 1:39:14
  >> But I think um yeah, so I'm trying to
• 1:39:17
  like kind of go through and be like,
• 1:39:18
  "All right, this rant I'm working on is
• 1:39:21
  like what are the good uses of money?
• 1:39:23
  What are the bad use of money? How does
• 1:39:24
  it [ __ ] up your brain?" Right. So that's
• 1:39:26
  that's the that's the first like stand
• 1:39:28
  up rant I'm working on, like a political
• 1:39:30
  rant.
• 1:39:30
  >> Yeah, that's interesting. I I had a
• 1:39:32
  >> I want to hear a joke. Sorry.
• 1:39:33
  >> Oh, yeah.
• 1:39:34
  >> Uh, rich people always go to these
• 1:39:35
  restaurants where they torture a goose
• 1:39:36
  Abu Grae style.
• 1:39:38
  >> I don't know what Abu Grae means.
• 1:39:39
  >> Ah, that's that um horrible thing where
• 1:39:42
  like these American soldiers were
• 1:39:44
  torturing
• 1:39:46
  back. It's like a really [ __ ] up
• 1:39:47
  anyway. Maybe that joke is a little too
• 1:39:49
  Okay, I'll think about it.
• 1:39:50
  >> You have to know about that thing.
• 1:39:52
  >> That's true. [laughter] I
• 1:39:53
  >> What were you gonna say? Sorry.
• 1:39:55
  Oh. Um,
• 1:39:58
  I was doing I was um I was doing a bit
• 1:40:02
  about rich people. I was doing a bit
• 1:40:03
  about Jeff Bezos versus Elon Musk.
• 1:40:06
  >> Um, and you know, obviously I I really
• 1:40:10
  don't like Elon Musk. Jeff Bezos, you
• 1:40:12
  know, obviously he's still obscenely
• 1:40:15
  wealthy. But when Jeff Bezos was the
• 1:40:18
  richest man in the world, that at least
• 1:40:19
  made sense to me
• 1:40:21
  >> because Amazon is such a dominating
• 1:40:23
  company that is doing so much for so
• 1:40:26
  many people.
• 1:40:27
  >> And then when Elon's the richest man in
• 1:40:29
  the world, it's like, wait, but if
• 1:40:30
  everything that you have your name on
• 1:40:32
  disappeared overnight, I wouldn't
• 1:40:33
  notice. [laughter]
• 1:40:34
  >> Like, you got your money through
• 1:40:36
  completely gifying, madeup means of just
• 1:40:41
  putting out this like, I'm so smart,
• 1:40:43
  trust me, give me money. and then a
• 1:40:45
  bunch of investors gave you money and
• 1:40:46
  you he made it completely through that
• 1:40:48
  not through like a good or a service. So
• 1:40:50
  like this isn't really like a bit but
• 1:40:52
  the bit was basically saying like I was
• 1:40:54
  like a was like a at least Jeff Bezos
• 1:40:58
  made sense. I respected like I at least
• 1:41:00
  [laughter] respect that he like built
• 1:41:02
  something that people use,
• 1:41:05
  >> you know? I don't know.
• 1:41:06
  >> It's at least makes sense. You can
• 1:41:08
  >> I can wrap my head around like, oh,
• 1:41:10
  obviously he's the richest man in the
• 1:41:11
  world, Amazon, right? You know,
• 1:41:13
  >> where then with Elon, it's like, oh,
• 1:41:15
  this system doesn't make any sense.
• 1:41:17
  Like, obviously this system makes no
• 1:41:18
  sense. If he's the richest man in the
• 1:41:20
  world, his companies are terrible. Like,
• 1:41:22
  nobody even really likes his stuff. I
• 1:41:24
  would love a good like maybe like a
• 1:41:25
  third example of somebody of like a
• 1:41:27
  thing that everybody uses but then the
• 1:41:30
  other person is like not rich something.
• 1:41:31
  >> Yeah. Right. Oh yeah.
• 1:41:33
  >> Whoever whoever
• 1:41:34
  >> invented the Q-tip. Okay. Yeah.
• 1:41:37
  >> The Q. Yeah.
• 1:41:38
  >> Yeah. Something.
• 1:41:39
  >> Huh.
• 1:41:39
  >> I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. As
• 1:41:41
  like an example of capitalism not like
• 1:41:43
  always working in the right way. No, he
• 1:41:44
  should be the richest.
• 1:41:46
  >> This guy hasn't made anything. This guy
• 1:41:48
  should also be kind of rich by the way.
• 1:41:50
  >> And we landed that plane, I think, to
• 1:41:52
  some degree. We we we successfully
• 1:41:54
  >> figured out what we meant there.
• 1:41:56
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:41:57
  >> Do you have um what are your what
• 1:41:59
  closing thoughts do you got, Scott?
• 1:42:01
  >> Do you have anything you want to plug?
• 1:42:02
  >> Closing thoughts, plugin stuff. Ah, you
• 1:42:05
  know, Cheese Parade. [laughter] Check
• 1:42:06
  out Cheese Parade on YouTube. Sketch
• 1:42:08
  comedy. New sketch every Monday. They're
• 1:42:10
  shorts. You got to go to the shorts tab.
• 1:42:11
  They're vertical sketches. Um but with
• 1:42:15
  like a lot of production value. They're
• 1:42:17
  good. That's the thing.
• 1:42:18
  >> Funny.
• 1:42:18
  >> Um
• 1:42:20
  >> Oh, did it stop? Yeah, it stopped right
• 1:42:22
  then.
• 1:42:23
  >> Oh, but the but the but the mics are
• 1:42:25
  still going so we can close it on on the
• 1:42:28
  >> follow Cheese Parade. Um clarification,
• 1:42:31
  I don't necessar I'm not like money
• 1:42:33
  equals sex. I'm more just like people
• 1:42:36
  are motivated by the looking for love
• 1:42:38
  and motivated by getting laid. And you
• 1:42:40
  should just be in tune with your own
• 1:42:41
  internal sense of motivation and where
• 1:42:44
  it comes from and be aware. And also
• 1:42:47
  notice that when an artist breaks up
• 1:42:49
  with somebody, that's when their best
• 1:42:50
  art comes out. It's like right after
• 1:42:51
  they broke up. So, just saying,
• 1:42:53
  >> right?
• 1:42:54
  >> Yes. Great to have you on, man. I uh
• 1:42:56
  It's so funny that I I was like I was
• 1:42:58
  like, "Listen, if we go too long, it
• 1:43:00
  will cut off." So, it's funny to have it
• 1:43:01
  happen and I'm like, "Yes, I'll at the
• 1:43:04
  end of it, I'll I'll just like do like a
• 1:43:05
  freeze frame."
• 1:43:07
  >> Yeah.
• 1:43:07
  >> But, uh, dude, great. Yeah. Hell yeah.
• 1:43:10
  >> Sweet. And we'll keep It's like funny to
• 1:43:13
  stop podcasting and to still be hanging
• 1:43:14
  for a bit.
• 1:43:15
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm going to
• 1:43:16
  keep hanging out. We're going to a mic
• 1:43:18
  tonight. Let's do it.
• 1:43:19
  >> Bye.