Latest / SisterSmart Leadership / 14: Taking on More Responsibility at Work Won’t Get You Promoted
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- 0:00I can't tell you how many women I talked to who are working harder and
- 0:02harder in hopes of getting a promotion.
- 0:05They keep their head down and wait for their work to speak for them,
- 0:08except this isn't how it works.
- 0:10This only leads you to burnout.
- 0:12I see you hard worker.
- 0:14And I want you to know that there is another way.
- 0:16If you're tired of doing more and more and not getting the promotion you're
- 0:20looking for, you're going to want to stay tuned because in this episode
- 0:23we're going to be talking about why this doesn't work and what you can do instead.
- 0:27I'm Jill Avey, a career success coach, and this is Sister Smart Leadership, the
- 0:33show that explores how women can rise from director to vice president and beyond
- 0:38by fully leaning into their feminine energy as their biggest advantage.
- 0:42Let's get you one step closer to the recognition and promotion you deserve.
- 0:47I was once in this position myself.
- 0:49I was an ambitious marketing director trying to get
- 0:52recognized for a promotion to VP.
- 0:54I won awards for my marketing and I got feedback that I
- 0:57was a vital part of the team.
- 0:59While I worked closely with the executive team on a regular basis, it
- 1:02became apparent to me that I was not going to be considered one of them.
- 1:06So when I left to get my MBA at Columbia business school, I was pretty shocked
- 1:10when they replaced me with four people.
- 1:14Why hadn't I been able to advocate for myself to get additional
- 1:18staff when I tried so many times?
- 1:20What was I doing that kept me locked in a job with too much to do and too
- 1:24few resources like so many other women?
- 1:27Fast forward almost a decade to when I became a coach and I started
- 1:31doing research to put together my women's leadership program.
- 1:35This is when I started finally being able to put these pieces together.
- 1:39To create the sister smart leadership program I spoke to women at all different
- 1:42levels and different stages in their careers from senior managers all the way
- 1:46to CEOs, and I asked them what it was that they struggled with in their careers.
- 1:51And as I listened to the women and to the men I spoke to as well,
- 1:55I saw seven themes bubble up.
- 1:58The interesting part about this is that only six of the themes were
- 2:02identified by the women themselves.
- 2:05The last theme that I observed is what I call the busyness trap.
- 2:09I saw this behavior because it was different from what the men that I'd
- 2:14worked with over the years had done.
- 2:16It was something that I had personally struggled with in my career.
- 2:19And even as I overcame that challenge, I hadn't necessarily identified it
- 2:23as a problem or given it a name.
- 2:26You see, I was once caught in the business trap myself.
- 2:29There was one point in my career where I was a director, busy director,
- 2:34traveling 25 percent of my time, and simultaneously I was the board
- 2:39president of a nonprofit and I was the marketing director for another one.
- 2:43On top of that, I had a side hustle, which was a meditation cushion business.
- 2:47And I not only did all the marketing and product production, but I also pick
- 2:51packed and shipped all the orders myself.
- 2:54And I did all of this while I managed to work out four times a week,
- 2:57spend time with my elderly dogs and keep my relationships going with my
- 3:00husband, my family, and my friends.
- 3:03Let me tell you, it was a go go lifestyle.
- 3:06The problem was is that while I was getting everything done, I wasn't showing
- 3:09up in the way I wanted to for anything.
- 3:12I often ran late on projects and I often had to accept quality that was less
- 3:17than what I really hoped for myself and for others because of that time crunch.
- 3:23But little by little, I started to unravel all the obligations that I had
- 3:27because I learned that every time I said yes, that meant I was saying no
- 3:31to something I'd already committed to.
- 3:34I learned that while people believed in me and had confidence that I would get it
- 3:37all done, it caused a lot of stress that was totally unnecessary and it degraded
- 3:42the trust that I had with my colleagues.
- 3:45The thing is I was doing all this extra work in hopes of getting the promotion
- 3:50that I wanted, but I found that the more I took off my plate, the better
- 3:54I was able to perform at the more important things that were actually
- 3:58going to get me where I wanted to go.
- 3:59And pretty soon I was launching the company's most successful product ever,
- 4:03which paved the way for me to become a VP.
- 4:06The lesson I learned from this is that taking on more
- 4:10doesn't necessarily help you.
- 4:11It's not what will get you more respect or create stronger relationships.
- 4:16And it doesn't help you create impact.
- 4:18Taking on more makes you indispensable in the role that you're in,
- 4:21which then keeps you stuck there.
- 4:23It results in comments that I heard back as that marketing director, like,
- 4:28You're so good at what you do, why would you want to do something else?
- 4:31After that experience of being replaced by four people, I decided
- 4:35that I needed a new frame of mind.
- 4:36So I started looking around for inspiration since no one
- 4:39teaches you this stuff in school.
- 4:41I found that inspiration I needed in the form of a working mom, Leslie.
- 4:46We were peers and we had two drastically different working styles.
- 4:50As the one in charge of innovation, I tended to run around the office all day
- 4:54making things happen and developing my relationships and creating innovations
- 4:58through direct in person meetings.
- 5:01As a company market researcher, I struggled to focus on my
- 5:04analytical work until after the office got quiet around 4 PM.
- 5:09And I would then work till 7 or so getting my work done while the office was quiet.
- 5:14And I often got called out to dinner with the CEO, which would then have me working
- 5:17even later, arriving home to you know, at 11 or so to a less than happy husband.
- 5:23Leslie, on the other hand, had two kids in daycare.
- 5:26So she got in the office at 8am sharp and she left at 5pm sharp or she
- 5:32faced the fines from her daycare, giving her what's called a commitment
- 5:36device in behavioral science.
- 5:37So she sat at her desk and did everything by email.
- 5:41She worked far in advance and with solid processes, templates,
- 5:44and checklists in place.
- 5:45She was so organized.
- 5:46She did everything well in advance so that she didn't have to pull
- 5:50any favors and didn't have to have any discussions about things.
- 5:53Her work just seemed to come off like a well oiled machine.
- 5:56And I noticed how her hard stop and start times made it so that she
- 6:00had to have these firm boundaries that were in place about what she
- 6:03would do and what she wouldn't do.
- 6:05And I also noticed how this gave her a lot more respect.
- 6:08Because she respected her own time.
- 6:10Other people respected her time.
- 6:13So when I went to my next job, I instituted the same
- 6:16sort of boundaries on my time.
- 6:18I didn't have a daycare to give me a commitment device.
- 6:21So I used, I was scheduling a workout in the evenings, kind of the early evenings
- 6:25to force my timely departure every day.
- 6:28So I found that once I had these guardrails for myself, that it forced
- 6:33me to be more careful about what I was taking on and that introspection
- 6:37time that I needed to discern which projects were worth my time, helped
- 6:41me to see how I was making an impact or not with the work that I did.
- 6:47So when you take time to reflect, you can start to position yourself
- 6:50for those more important projects that give you the opportunity to
- 6:54be seen for your leadership skills instead of just your technical skills.
- 6:58One of my clients had experience with this busyness trap working
- 7:02for an ambitious startup.
- 7:03In this startup, there is always exponentially more work
- 7:06that needs to be done than can be done almost by definition.
- 7:10And her team developed software involved in safety.
- 7:13So this is, you know, quality is job one in this kind of role.
- 7:17This means that when you get busy, you can't send out product that's less than
- 7:21your best like you can in many businesses.
- 7:24You have to continually work to make it right, no matter how long it takes.
- 7:27And because she does excellent work, she continued to get more
- 7:30and more piled on her plate.
- 7:33Yet, when she looked around, she saw that no one else had the workload that
- 7:37she did, and many even had larger teams with still didn't have as much workload.
- 7:42This is a common situation that many women get into where they're handling
- 7:47much heavier workloads with fewer resources than their male counterparts.
- 7:52And when we diagnosed this problem, we found that the big issue for her was
- 7:56that she was doing a lot of analysis work to figure out exactly what her workload
- 8:00plan needed in terms of headcount.
- 8:02And she knew that her workload needs down to the week and hour, which was great.
- 8:07However, the other leaders were totally overestimating what they
- 8:10needed and her boss knew it.
- 8:12So he assumed that she was doing the same thing.
- 8:15So he never gave her authorization for more people.
- 8:18But when she took him through all of this and, you know, took him step by
- 8:22step through her work plan, then she was able to show him exactly how she'd
- 8:27come up with the numbers that she had.
- 8:29And he took her requests much more seriously and she got the extra people.
- 8:33And this also helped her boss see what her project management skills look like.
- 8:38So it helped him to understand how she was able to run her projects more
- 8:41smoothly and foresee problems before they became fires, which helped her
- 8:45build her credibility even further.
- 8:48So it was after all of this that she received another promotion as well.
- 8:51Making that transition out of the busyness trap can seem scary at
- 8:56first, so it can help to think through that mindset of a leader.
- 9:00So here's some things that you want to consider as you start to shift
- 9:03your mindset to be a senior leader.
- 9:06First, successful leaders aren't running around with their pants on fire.
- 9:09They manage their time well so that they can seem cool, calm, and collected.
- 9:14Busyness is not a badge of honor.
- 9:16More and more, it can be seen that you are over your head or insecure.
- 9:21And second, successful senior leaders work on strategic initiatives that are
- 9:24going to make an impact on the business.
- 9:26Third, they spend time thinking.
- 9:29They research and develop their own opinion about trends that will affect
- 9:32the team's and the company's performance, both inside and outside of the business.
- 9:37And they think at an enterprise level.
- 9:39Fourth, they spend time and money developing their leadership skills.
- 9:43They realize that their own development is a limiting factor for their team's
- 9:46performance, that they need to continually develop themselves emotionally to
- 9:50lead at higher and higher levels.
- 9:53Fifth, they spend a lot of time building relationships.
- 9:56Senior leaders know that they need others to succeed.
- 9:59They have to have strong relationships built on trust to get things done.
- 10:02And six, most of their time will be spent working on the
- 10:06business versus in the business.
- 10:08This means they do the more strategic work rather than the tactical work of getting
- 10:12things done and checking off to do lists.
- 10:15And seven, they delegate well by empowering others to bring their brilliant
- 10:20thinking and expertise to the business.
- 10:22Delegation is important if you want to be seen as someone who makes an impact.
- 10:26You're going to have to spend more of your time working on high visibility and what
- 10:29I call promotable projects that are going to be noticed because of their impact.
- 10:35And you'll want to spend less time on making everything run super smoothly.
- 10:39This is because you need to start acting like an executive before you
- 10:42get the chance to be that executive.
- 10:44Men get promoted based on their potential while women get promoted
- 10:47based on their performance.
- 10:49And this means that you have to start working at that level before people
- 10:53see you as a leader at that next level.
- 10:56So start looking at the executives around you.
- 10:58How are they acting and what are they thinking about on a day to day basis?
- 11:03What do you need to stop doing?
- 11:05And over the years I've noticed there are some things that women do need to
- 11:09let go of if they're going to start operating at that next executive level.
- 11:14So first you need to let go of being helpful and people pleasing.
- 11:19If you're like many women, when you start to look at it, you'll notice this
- 11:22behavior in things you do every day.
- 11:24I do myself.
- 11:26And while you may not be able to let go of it a hundred percent, remember that at
- 11:31the executive level, you're not expected to be helpful and make everyone feel good.
- 11:35Sure.
- 11:36You may have the opportunity to be able to do that from time to time, but you
- 11:39should not be expecting that of yourself.
- 11:41Second, you cannot be the go to person.
- 11:44A lot of us pride ourselves on being that person who knows to
- 11:47get how to get everything done.
- 11:49And chances are you've been rewarded for it.
- 11:51So it might be hard to let go of, but as you move up the ladder, this
- 11:54is simply not possible anymore.
- 11:56You'll be leading people who know how to get everything done instead.
- 12:01Next, you have to let go of being the expert.
- 12:04As you start to operate at the enterprise level, you're going to be managing the
- 12:07experts, not being the expert yourself.
- 12:10This means that you have to have a lot of confidence to be able to
- 12:13say that you don't know something when somebody asks you a question.
- 12:16Top executives don't know everything about every detail that goes on in the business.
- 12:21Sure.
- 12:21They're very smart and they show their intelligence by asking great questions
- 12:26rather than knowing all the answers.
- 12:28So take pride in saying that that isn't something you handle
- 12:31personally, but you can check it out with your team to find out.
- 12:35Fourth, you need to let go of needing outside validation.
- 12:39The higher up you go, the less likely you are to get praise
- 12:42for the work that you're doing.
- 12:44So instead you're going to be giving that praise to others.
- 12:47And this means that you need to get your own validation from
- 12:49inside, not from outside forces.
- 12:52And fifth, you have to let go of making other people feel better.
- 12:56Women do this by being funny or nice or otherwise accommodating.
- 13:00When you're an executive, you need to accept that sometimes people
- 13:03aren't going to be happy with you.
- 13:05There are going to be unpopular things that you had to do and
- 13:09you need to be okay with that.
- 13:11So we've covered a lot of ground here in this episode.
- 13:14I've shared my story of getting caught in the business trap and some of the
- 13:17lessons that my clients and I have learned about how to get out of this situation
- 13:21where you keep working harder and harder and it doesn't get you anywhere.
- 13:24And I've given you 7 mindset shifts to think about when considering about how
- 13:29you're going to become more promotable and I've given you 5 things you can stop doing
- 13:34now to be seen as senior leader material.
- 13:38I like to end each episode with three shifts you can make today and start
- 13:41implementing what you've learned on how to get out of the busyness trap.
- 13:45So first I would like you to list out all the responsibilities that you have
- 13:50currently both at home and at work.
- 13:52Next, look at each one and identify, is this a promotable responsibility
- 13:57or a non promotable responsibility?
- 14:00And finally, let's make a plan for how you can start to shift
- 14:03into more promotable work.
- 14:05You're going to want to listen to the next two episodes because I'll be
- 14:08sharing some ways to do that in those.
- 14:11What did you find insightful from this episode?
- 14:13What is one small thing that you can let go of?
- 14:16Small steps are always best to start with.
- 14:18So let us know in the comments what that one thing is that you'd like to let go of
- 14:22next if you're watching this on YouTube.
- 14:24Are you ready to get out of the business trap and clear your career for takeoff?
- 14:28If you're looking to get promoted from the director level to the VP level, or
- 14:32if you've been recently promoted to the VP level, you might want to check out my
- 14:36masterclass called from director to VP for shifts that women need to get promoted.
- 14:43In this free workshop, I'll take you through what it looks like to act like
- 14:46an executive at the VP level in much more detail than I've had time to cover here.
- 14:50This is for you if you're a female director or VP who feels stuck in
- 14:54her role and wants to develop a fulfilling and impactful career
- 14:57without working long hours.
- 14:59If you want to dive deeper into women's leadership and how to
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