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Hour Three | Nick Underhill Joins, More Brendan Sorsby Talk & Ask the Bench · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: Off the bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
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  Speaker 2: I say Hester and Hester got it fata from.
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  Speaker 1: Carrying each other to and Natty to carrying each other
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  Speaker 1: on the air.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's drop control the.
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  Speaker 1: Live from the Raising Kine studio.
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  Speaker 4: It's off the bench, all right, welcome back in our
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  Speaker 4: number three a bo be here live from the Raising
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  Speaker 4: Kines studio.
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  Speaker 3: It is Tuesday at nine am. So you're never gonna
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  Speaker 3: catch up with our guy Nick Underhill, New Orleans stuff football.
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  Speaker 3: Who joins us now? Nicholas? How you doing, sir?
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  Speaker 5: Doing great?
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  Speaker 6: Doing great?
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  Speaker 3: How you guys doing doing fantastic? Glad to have you
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  Speaker 3: on as always. As we get closer and closer to
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  Speaker 3: these Saints getting to training camp kicking off the season,
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  Speaker 3: it will be here before you know it. There's still, though,
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  Speaker 3: some situations for the Saints, some contracts that are currently
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  Speaker 3: on the roster that we don't know if they're going
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  Speaker 3: to be on the roster, some that potentially still could
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  Speaker 3: be added, a guy like Cam Jordan. So a lot
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  Speaker 3: to get to. But I wanted to start off with
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  Speaker 3: this because I saw an ESPN dot com article and
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  Speaker 3: it was talking about the guys that they felt like
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  Speaker 3: the top ten guys to be trade candidates before the
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  Speaker 3: trade deadline, and out of all the NFL all thirty
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  Speaker 3: two teams, the Saints actually had two players on the
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  Speaker 3: top ten list. They had Spencer Rattler and had Alvin
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  Speaker 3: Kamara on the list. So those are the two players.
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  Speaker 3: At ESPN dot com, out of all thirty two teams
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  Speaker 3: only ten players, the Saints had two. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: either one of those players is likely to be moved?
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  Speaker 3: And which one would you say is more likely? If so?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, that second part of that one is tough. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I think they could both. It wouldn't blow my mind
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  Speaker 6: to be either either one of them got moved right now.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, obviously the album thing still remains very weird,
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  Speaker 6: Like he showed up on them, and I thought it
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  Speaker 6: was probably the funniest thing that could have happened. Him
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  Speaker 6: just kind of popping up and then back to Miami
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  Speaker 6: right after practice is kind of hey, I'm here letting
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  Speaker 6: you know. So I think there's a lot to figure
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  Speaker 6: out there. It would have to come down to the
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  Speaker 6: Saints not wanting him, though, because man, my understanding of
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  Speaker 6: that situation is that he's he's willing to discuss reduce
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  Speaker 6: salary and make something work, and I think he really
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  Speaker 6: wants it to work, and I think that's what showing
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  Speaker 6: up was, but showing him that he wanted to do that.
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  Speaker 6: My question is, I don't know if there's value there
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  Speaker 6: that even makes it make sense, because look the way
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  Speaker 6: they did his contract. It isn't a standard restructure. They
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  Speaker 6: use this and I'm not gonna get like into all
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  Speaker 6: the weeds, but they use the mechanism that allows his
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  Speaker 6: salary to travel if he gets traded well being able
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  Speaker 6: to treat it as if they restructured him. So if
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  Speaker 6: they trade him, that whole number goes with him, which
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  Speaker 6: I think knocks out value down, Like if you're paying
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  Speaker 6: Alvin's salary and you're just trading the player and somebody
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  Speaker 6: else is getting to a very productive running back for
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  Speaker 6: a million bucks, like maybe you get the fifth round pick.
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  Speaker 6: But I think when you're paying him eleven point five
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  Speaker 6: million to trade for him, you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 6: if there's a lot of music playing for that deal.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that's the reason why nothing has happened yet.
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  Speaker 6: If they wanted him badly on the team, they would
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  Speaker 6: already figured out the contract. They'd already be talking about it.
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  Speaker 6: They haven't had a conversation yet, so I think they're
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  Speaker 6: waiting to see if that trade partner shows up. So
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  Speaker 6: I think, I don't know. With Rattler, man, I think
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  Speaker 6: he looks good in this camp, you know. I think
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  Speaker 6: I think you can really see the growth between him
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  Speaker 6: and Tyler Shuck. I think Shuck looks Shuck's really kind
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  Speaker 6: of put it together, Like you see the timing and
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  Speaker 6: the knowledge and the aggressiveness and the fast decisions. But
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think I think Spencer looks great too.
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  Speaker 6: I think you see him stepping it up. I think
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  Speaker 6: he's a guy that's a starter for a team. I
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  Speaker 6: think if there was an injury in a camp, I
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  Speaker 6: could definitely see him getting traded somewhere. You know, if
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  Speaker 6: the Jacobe Brissette thing doesn't work out. You know, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know, there's a couple couple play. This is where
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  Speaker 6: I could see him possibly ending up a great preseason.
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  Speaker 6: I think he suddenly becomes available. They brought in Zach Wilson,
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  Speaker 6: which I think makes Tyler or I'm sorry, Spencer, do.
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  Speaker 3: You think that's why they brought him in? Though? Nick,
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  Speaker 3: like just in case, Hey, we know Spencer. We know
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  Speaker 3: he's pretty good. We know some teams that would give
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  Speaker 3: us something for him. Is that why you bring in
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  Speaker 3: Zach Wilson.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's both, you know, I think you see
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  Speaker 6: the league trend of like developing everybody, And this is
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  Speaker 6: a group of coaches that like very very often are
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  Speaker 6: talking about the rest of the league. So I think
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  Speaker 6: you know they're influenced by what's going on. But yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I think that's part of it too, Like if you
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  Speaker 6: can get him somewhere, it gives you that backstop, and
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  Speaker 6: it gives you more flexibility in that room. You know,
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  Speaker 6: there's two things here, Like is a fan of football,
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  Speaker 6: I badly want Spencer to get tready because I want
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  Speaker 6: to see how the story plays out. Like I want
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  Speaker 6: to see what he can do. If I were running
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  Speaker 6: the Saints, I want him on my team. He's he
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  Speaker 6: doesn't cost anything. If my starter goes down, I don't
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  Speaker 6: feel terrible about putting him in a game. So it's interesting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I think man the more likely one to go between
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  Speaker 6: the two. I don't know, like a gun to the head,
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  Speaker 6: I might guess Alvin right now today, because I got
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  Speaker 6: I think I think Spencer like I think some things
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  Speaker 6: would have to happen. You got to see a preseason.
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  Speaker 6: I think that market would have to firm up some.
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  Speaker 6: I think if the Saints figured something out with Alvin's salary,
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  Speaker 6: I think Alvin becomes like eminentely more movable and I
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  Speaker 6: think he I think you'd have a have a pretty
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  Speaker 6: decent market. I think there's a handful of teams that
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  Speaker 6: should want him.
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  Speaker 5: Nick. Let me get a vibe check. Where are you
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  Speaker 5: at right now?
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  Speaker 6: I'm waiting to go to the Dunnis So.
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  Speaker 5: Is that a panoramic moon roof you got on there?
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  Speaker 6: It is?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Thank yeah, good job baby. Say for the rest of them, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: way to be saved. Way to buckle up right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I do have a question, just like from a kind
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  Speaker 7: of the hot topic in just athletics right now. Uh,
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  Speaker 7: the situation in Texas Tech with Brendan Sores be like, what,
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  Speaker 7: like give me your thoughts on just the whole because
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  Speaker 7: in the NFL, it's like supposed to be what you know,
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  Speaker 7: what college does well, pretty cut and dry, a little
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  Speaker 7: black and white. You do this, you're done, you know,
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  Speaker 7: and it's not happening right now. Just give me your
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  Speaker 7: thoughts on what the situation Texas Tech is.
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  Speaker 6: I think it sucks, man, Like I think the whole
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  Speaker 6: thing sucks. Like that, there has to be some type
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  Speaker 6: of like governing body that can say, hey, look, you
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  Speaker 6: you you what do you place like almost a million
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  Speaker 6: dollars in bets or something like I can't even remember
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  Speaker 6: what the number was, but like it was it was
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  Speaker 6: a big number. I seemed like a the the volume
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  Speaker 6: of bets what he was betting on, I think I
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  Speaker 6: saw that. Like it again, I'm talking out of my
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  Speaker 6: ass off of things I saw on Twitter, like, but
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  Speaker 6: I think I saw that you bet on too, bet
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  Speaker 6: the under on two games, that that he was a
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  Speaker 6: member of the team, like passing yards and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 6: Like man, that's like it's just if you do this,
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  Speaker 6: you shouldn't be playing. Like it's it's really that simple.
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  Speaker 6: I guess he would probably just sue the university if
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  Speaker 6: the university didn't stand behind them, and then you get
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  Speaker 6: an injunction there maybe, so like I don't even know
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  Speaker 6: if the university has power, but I would like to
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  Speaker 6: see an academic institution and like we all know what
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  Speaker 6: these things are and like I'm not trying to be like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, a tight ass or anything like that, but
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  Speaker 6: we don't have to deal is like it's a it's
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  Speaker 6: a charade. But at a certain point it has to
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  Speaker 6: cross the line where the institution is like placing some
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  Speaker 6: level of value on integrity. Like if I cheat on
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  Speaker 6: a test, I'm getting kicked out of the school. If
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  Speaker 6: I gamble on a football game I'm playing, and I
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  Speaker 6: should get kicked out of the school, Like it should
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  Speaker 6: be a very obvious thing. I think the whole thing
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  Speaker 6: is bad man. You know, it's like like LSU is
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  Speaker 6: probably gonna have like some dude that was like the
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  Speaker 6: twelfth guy on the bench or the Knicks like playing
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  Speaker 6: in their tip off game and and if there aren't
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  Speaker 6: any rules, like stretch it and force them to do it.
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  Speaker 6: Like I totally get it, but it is broken and
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  Speaker 6: maybe somebody needs to break it so that it, you
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  Speaker 6: don't gets fixed. But yeah, there has to be something
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  Speaker 6: here man, Like this is like gambling on games is
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  Speaker 6: insane and then like what are we watching? Then, like
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  Speaker 6: how do you try? It's just it's bad, man. Somebody
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  Speaker 6: has to step in and stop this, Like there has
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  Speaker 6: to be some type of punishment for it. And look,
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  Speaker 6: you can just like just walk away and enter the
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  Speaker 6: supplemental draft, like just do what you gotta do.
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  Speaker 3: But it didn't feel like the NFL though, was telling
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  Speaker 3: him to do that. Almost like the NFL was like,
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  Speaker 3: if they're not gonna punish you, we will, we'll handle it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and like maybe they should and maybe that's what
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  Speaker 6: it should be, but man, it's just it's nasty to me,
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  Speaker 6: like it this is I don't know, like the whole
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  Speaker 6: thing sucks, man, Like I don't like how any of
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  Speaker 6: it's going, Like I think they got to figure something
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  Speaker 6: out with like the amount of time someone can can
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  Speaker 6: transfer and stuff to like it's just like the March
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  Speaker 6: Tournament like it used to be if you put the
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  Speaker 6: number ones in the final four, like you were a
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  Speaker 6: dumb ass that didn't know anything. And now if you
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  Speaker 6: don't put the number ones in the final four, you're
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  Speaker 6: a dumb ass that doesn't know anything. And that kind
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  Speaker 6: of sucks as if you were Like I want I
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  Speaker 6: want the players to get paid, but I also like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, there has to be something to where like, man,
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  Speaker 6: Michigan State wouldn't happen in today's era, like you wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: have like the teen cleaves and like all these guys
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  Speaker 6: building a team, you know, going for it, and that
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  Speaker 6: that used to be what made it great. So there
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  Speaker 6: has to be some access where everybody's being taken care of,
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  Speaker 6: everybody's being paid, everybody's eaten. But it's also just not
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  Speaker 6: a bottom feeder system, and you know there's something where
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  Speaker 6: where there's still the idea of team and integrity, even
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  Speaker 6: if it's like through a veiled charade somehow. But like,
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  Speaker 6: we got to find a way to find some balance
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  Speaker 6: between the two things. It's swung way too far one direction.
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  Speaker 3: Well said, yeah, I am right there with you. And
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  Speaker 3: again I don't think there was very much interest in
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  Speaker 3: the supplemental draft because the NFL is like, hey, we're
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  Speaker 3: not dealing with that, and if you want to do that,
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  Speaker 3: you get to go back to college.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry to ask you a college question.
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  Speaker 7: I know your Saints guy, NFL guy, but pretty relevant,
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  Speaker 7: I mean even in the into the NFL ranks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to ask you though, I mean
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  Speaker 3: every single week. I think I'm gonna ask you until
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  Speaker 3: we figure out what is what Cam Jordan and I
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  Speaker 3: just there's other teams, like I've heard Kansas City so
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  Speaker 3: like Chicago with DA like that makes a lot of sense,
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  Speaker 3: and they need a pass rusher as well. Like eventually
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  Speaker 3: there's going to be teams that are going to call
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  Speaker 3: Cam Jordan that are not the New Orleans Saints. And
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  Speaker 3: that's just the last thing that I want to happen,
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  Speaker 3: or anybody wants to happen to see him in a
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  Speaker 3: different uniform. Is there an update buzz around Cam? Is
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  Speaker 3: there a standstill that you feel like is just gonna
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  Speaker 3: be there until forever? Like where are we at right
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  Speaker 3: now with Cam Jordan?
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  Speaker 6: I think I told you guys, like they took away
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  Speaker 6: one of his lockers, like he he was one of
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  Speaker 6: the guys that had like that little corner set up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it was the two lockers and he's had the same
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  Speaker 6: two lockers for a decade plus and one of them
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  Speaker 6: got reassigned. So I mean, like that's kind of like
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  Speaker 6: a oh damn, Like this is this is different offers
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  Speaker 6: on the table, Like he's just gotta he's got to
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  Speaker 6: be willing to take it. I don't think they're gonna
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  Speaker 6: change it. Like I think all their moves kind of
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  Speaker 6: signified that they moved on and built their roster. But
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  Speaker 6: the door is still open. And if you want to
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  Speaker 6: be here, you can come in, and like where does
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  Speaker 6: he slot in? Is the other question. It's just it's
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  Speaker 6: a messy thing, man, Like I I don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 6: as it stands today, Like I still feel like he
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  Speaker 6: eventually ends up coming back because I think if he
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  Speaker 6: was leaving, he'd be leaving. But yeah, I think at
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  Speaker 6: Kansas City was one that that had some buzz. I
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  Speaker 6: would be really surprised by it, by a DA Cam reuniting,
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  Speaker 6: But I would have been really surprised by Cam and uh,
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry DA and Chauncey Gardner Johnson reuniting and that happens.
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  Speaker 6: So if that can be amended, anything can be you know,
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  Speaker 6: any any bridge can be amended. But at some point,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, man, Like the does Cam just move on?
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  Speaker 6: You know you look at that that Pass Rusher list,
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  Speaker 6: and like how many guys got to start and finish
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  Speaker 6: with the same team, Like there's something special about it
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  Speaker 6: that you know, it's just being sentimental, but I'd love
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  Speaker 6: to see him finish his career where it started and
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  Speaker 6: just have it be, you know, not not have like
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  Speaker 6: the weird zombie jersey that you see, like someday you
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  Speaker 6: go to like a like an Eagles game ten years
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  Speaker 6: from now, and like there's someone in a Camp Jordan
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  Speaker 6: Jersey and you're like, oh, yeah, he played for them,
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  Speaker 6: Like yeah, that that shouldn't that that shouldn't It shouldn't end
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  Speaker 6: like that, Like I hope it gets to end the
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  Speaker 6: right way.
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  Speaker 5: How many years has he had that double locker set up?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 6: Man? I got here in fourteen and maybe I want
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  Speaker 6: to say by fifteen sixteen, like it was kind of
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  Speaker 6: it was kind of Cam's like, you know, his his
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  Speaker 6: little corner of the world, but was over there.
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  Speaker 7: I want to say that that would be the most
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  Speaker 7: telling piece of information that I've heard in this whole
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  Speaker 7: Camp Jordan situation.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so the one locker is still there, like it's
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  Speaker 6: being held, but yeah, I mean that's that was That
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  Speaker 6: was the setup. Man, Like Alvin still has his locker,
• 12:48
  Speaker 6: it's still in the same place. He's on the team. There,
• 12:51
  Speaker 6: there's a locker. There was a locker for Taysom, which
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  Speaker 6: I think no longer exists, and then the Cam one's gone.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, that was when I walked in. I was like,
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  Speaker 6: oh my god, like they might actually be willing to
• 13:02
  Speaker 6: move on. And if they aren't moving on like they're
• 13:04
  Speaker 6: sending a message here that you know, hey, look new culture,
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  Speaker 6: new start, new regime, Like we aren't having the these
• 13:10
  Speaker 6: you know, the mayor of past rush down anymore. Like
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  Speaker 6: it's it's a crazy look, man.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, there's there's there's been nothing to point
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  Speaker 3: to Cam coming back. It's been the complete opposite. Them
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  Speaker 3: trading for an edge rusher during the draft, them signing
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  Speaker 3: an edge rusher right after the draft. Every mood that
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  Speaker 3: they have made, including moving this locker out, has pointed
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  Speaker 3: to him not being a New Orleans Saint.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look what like I would very easily
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  Speaker 6: put Cam ahead of Tyree Wilson if I was stack
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  Speaker 6: in a death sharp but like what if Tyree Wilson
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  Speaker 6: ends up? You know they're comparable, Like which way do
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  Speaker 6: they go? Do they go with the guy that they
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  Speaker 6: feel like they can resign and maybe have around for
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  Speaker 6: a while, Like it's it's it's an interesting situation. And look,
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  Speaker 6: he was down to basically playing first and second down
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  Speaker 6: and that that's what Jennings does. So, like I said,
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  Speaker 6: everything they've done is they've built this to where if
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  Speaker 6: he doesn't come back, it doesn't probably swing their their
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  Speaker 6: reality and if he does come back, like they got
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  Speaker 6: extra depth there, but it's a you know, not a
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  Speaker 6: lot of money and not a lot of opportunity. It
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  Speaker 6: doesn't look like if so, it's it's a it's a
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  Speaker 6: very it's all very telling man. And then the locker goes.
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  Speaker 6: I think they're fine with whatever outcome happens here. It's it's, hey,
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  Speaker 6: we would love to have you here, we'd love to
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  Speaker 6: have you finish your career, but if you don't want
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  Speaker 6: to do it on these terms, like we were good,
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  Speaker 6: like we're okay over here.
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  Speaker 7: Looker, thanks wild It is all right. Let's let's move
• 14:31
  Speaker 7: on to that light locker thing. That's that's some that's
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  Speaker 7: some pretty hard hitted news for me. That means they're
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  Speaker 7: definitely okay with moving on. All right, let's go to
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  Speaker 7: ot as a little bit more. Has did Jordan Tyson
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  Speaker 7: find as socks?
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  Speaker 6: He hasn't practiced yet. I haven't seen him really really
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  Speaker 6: do anything. He's you know, he's out there now though,
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  Speaker 6: So that's that's something like he's watching the practices now.
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  Speaker 6: He wasn't for for I don't know what day it
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  Speaker 6: was the second day of rookie camp or whatever. He
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  Speaker 6: wasn't out there.
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  Speaker 5: Expected is just like a little bit, man, we should
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  Speaker 5: have known.
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  Speaker 6: Well, look, here's like they're telling it is a ramp up.
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  Speaker 6: But here's the thing. The very first day of rookie
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  Speaker 6: can't be practiced fully. So the ramp up was off
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  Speaker 6: the ramp I guess. And then you go down and
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  Speaker 6: now like, I don't know, man, Like I could be
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: being too cynical, but to me, it kind of signifies
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: that maybe something you know, maybe maybe maybe.
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  Speaker 5: Something messaging what they did, right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, which look if they which is covering it
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: up good like to protect the player.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, rampop doesn't mean full throttle first day of practice.
• 15:33
  Speaker 7: Then he's gonna set out through it, yes, yeah, and
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: you guys, and this was this is the worry.
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  Speaker 3: This is like if he was fully healthy, it's like, yeah,
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: that that makes all the sense in the world. But
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: this is the worry. This was the deal, like, you know,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: just not out there and you're wondering, is he gonna practice,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: is he gonna play? How amazing going to play? So
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: if it was another player, I don't think we'd care.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: But Nick, with that being kind of the red flag
• 15:55
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• 15:57
  Speaker 3: of hold your breath.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt about it. Yeah, I mean one hundred percent.
• 16:03
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• 16:05
  Speaker 6: kind of like, you know, I'm actually not because like
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: it's early, and I like, I like that they at
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: least have a plan and they aren't being dumb about
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: it and they aren't pressing them. We used to see
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: coaching staffs that kind of made, you know, guys with
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: like broken ankles go out and play football on those things.
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: So I like the fact that they're smart enough to
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: back off it. But it is, it is one hundred
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: percent the concern. It's the Marshawn Lattimore thing, Like you
• 16:29
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• 16:33
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• 16:35
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• 16:37
  Speaker 6: then it's a colossal mistake it. You know, the fragility
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: of the wide receiver room is is just evident though
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: every time you go out there right now, like you
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: try to look past it, and you know, oh, like
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: they got a lot of entice and it's a ton
• 16:51
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• 16:53
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• 16:56
  Speaker 6: a reminder of that. But yeah, like Jake to your point,
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: like chrisian Miller is in practice, and like we aren't
• 17:02
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• 17:12
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• 17:15
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• 17:23
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• 17:24
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• 17:26
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• 17:28
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• 17:31
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  Speaker 3: of the entire NFL, it only had ten players that
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: they highlighted that could be traded, and two of them
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: were from the New Orleans Saints and Spencer Ratler is
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: an interesting one. You do sign Zach Wilson in case
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: this happens, because I think you believe in him as
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: a player, and there was flashes last year of him
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: being capable in the NFL, and I am surprised the team,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: like the Jets, hasn't called the Saints about a Spencer Rattler.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I kind of hope he doesn't.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: I don't you hear did you see Nick talking about him?
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: He wanted to say he's actually that Spencer's like probably
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: looking the best out there. He's not by any like
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: don't take that the wrong way, but he's going into
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: year three. It's like he's just saying he looks really
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: good at practice. I think he should be traded. Somebody
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: should trade for him. Yeah, I think there's enough out there.
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: I think there's a there's plenty of good tape to
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: go out there to look around and look. Coaches talk,
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: scouts talk. They know, like I someone like the Jets.
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: I don't want him to go to the Jets. Whether
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: I'm like, wait till somebody gets hurt, can go to
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: the I don't know, the Niners, the Lions, the.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Lions, because he'd be he'd probably really be, he'd be.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Really good in just Er Daniels. Yeah, he's a kind
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: of fits that mold, I think anyway.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: And then Al Kamara would be the other player on
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the list. As we talked about there, and and so
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the write up talks about it. It actually says the
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Saints blood veteran turns thirty one in July, a post
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: of career lows and touches and scrimmage yards. In twenty
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: twenty five, New Orleans also gave big money to Travis
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: h Chan and free agency has a crowded running back
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: room that includes Kenjre Miller, Andre Gessime, and ty Chandler.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Kamara has one year left on his contract, which has
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: been amended so many times it's difficult to truly asset
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: assessed the size of the assets they're in, the dead
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: money burden that New Orleans will take on whenever he's gone,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: that's very New Orleans. I have a contract that's confusing
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: even for an NFL writer. I don't know at this point.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Like I can see a backfield with both of them.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I can see a backfield that has both those players
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: and a backfield that actually thrives because they have both
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: those players. I don't think you give Alvin Kamara away
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: for peanuts. What's the point why? And what's the team
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: willing to give up for a thirty one year old
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: running back? Probably not a lot So in this scenario
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: with these two players, I would actually say Spencer Ratler
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: would be the more likely to be traded because you
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: have Tayler Shuck, your young quarterback that you drafted a
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: year ago, and then you sign a former top five
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: pick in Zach Wilson in case, you know, break glass,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: in case of emergency. So he's the one that would
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: have more value. And you have people in place on
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: both sides that you've kind of you know, you sign
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: a Zach Wilson in case you move a Spencer Rattler.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so. I'm I'm thinking about this. Alvin
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: Kamara and Cam Jordan's situation both mean a lot to
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: the organization. Both mean a lot to the fan base,
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: I'm sure a lot of the ownership.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they are.
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: In similar situations, but in some cases to me, like
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: complete opposite situations. Like Kamara, they have a place for Kamara,
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: they have a place for Cam Jordan. Great, if you're
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: on our team, awesome, we'd love to have you.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: For Kamara.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: You're gonna have to make us an offer we can't refuse,
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: But we're okay with that. We got we got a plan.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: Make us an offer we can't refuse. On the other
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: side of things, for Kim Jordan, they've made him an
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: offer that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: He can refuse, right, And that's the situation now.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: They I think they would like to have and they
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: would probably say leaning towards we want to have you
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: on the team, but they're definitely saying we don't need
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: you on the team.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh sure, there are one hundred percent saying that.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: But to go back to your question on the trade, Yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: I would think from those two pieces and just basically
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: based on different contract situations with Kamara, like the most
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: likely to be traded would probably be Rattler. Now I
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: would lean on Nick Underhill's expertise, but he didn't really.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Know how to answer the question either.
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: He just kind of like he said, Kamara just because
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: we put a gun to his head there that that
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: was his word. I think that something always happens in
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: training camp, right with with injuries with different teams. Maybe
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: a guy that thought was going to be the dude
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: turns out to be a dud. And I would think
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: that if somebody's going to make a trade for a quarterback,
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: it Spencer Rattler would be up there because you look
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: around the lead we talked about the list of backup
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: quarterbacks yesterday. How many of those guys are young guys
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: that you can get for a cheap price.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Sure, there's a lot of teams that if they get hurt,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: they'd love to trade for Joe Flacco, But like, are
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: you going to trade?
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Like what are you trying to do?
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: You're trying to put a band aid on something or
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: get someone that potentially could stick around for a handful
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: of years. So I think that he would at least
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: be in that conversation. I think he's proven.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: I think other coaches that he played against on other teams,
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: the messaging that they gave to the media, We're like
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: this guy's good. Yeah, Like yeah, they're not winning and
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: that's the problem. They didn't make the plays when he
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: needed to down the down the stretch, and that's the
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: reason why he got benched. Right, But there's there's gonna
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: be a place for him at some point now if
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: it does he take advantage of that situation? Does he
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: take advantage of that opportunity that remains to be seen, Right,
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: But then just listen to what Nick Underhill said about
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: him at ots right now, Like there's a spot for
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: him in the national Football League, And to.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Give you the full list real quick before take a break.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: The list of the ten players at ESPN dot com
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: could see moved before the trade deadline. Max Crosby, of
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: course Vegas. He's already been traded and fell through. Kayshawn
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Boody actually falls in this list as well, James Connor,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuk, Kyle Pitts, Spencer Rattler, Josh Sweat, Alvin Kamara,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Keavon Thibodeau, and Mac Jones.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Kyle Pitts is interesting to me.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Well, he's on the franchise deal right now, franchise tax
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: right so.
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: He finally kind of showed the promise that was promised
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: to everybody right this past season.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Mac Jones is an interesting one too, just because he
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: did play really well for the Niners last year.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: What what does he on the list? Is he he's
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: got it's not ranked, Okay. I would think that if
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: you are looking to trade, if you're if you're a friend,
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: let's just let's just say they say the Jets, something
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: happens in Geno Smith.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, in preseason. If you're looking to trade for a
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: young quarterback, is Mac Jones one, maybe Spencer two?
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: I'm talking about guys that could be potentially a backup guys.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: The way Mac Jones played last year, I would mac
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Jones won. Yeah, as far as trading for quarterbacks would
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Would you agree with that statement?
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: Now Spencer can add a little bit more with his
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: legs and his feet and capability right that sometimes you
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: want in a emergency style type of position.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I mean mac Jones completed seventy of his passes last year.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: I almost put him in a top ten at one
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: point when he did it like three weeks in a row.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: I didn't, but almost, right, So they.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Get a valuable ass asset for sure. Never thought i'd
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: say that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: You almost said valuable ass.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know. He's kind of frumpy in his uniform.
• 28:49
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  Speaker 9: this was something that has been being looked at since
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: at least August twenty twenty five, and if I had
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: to guess, it was before that, because there's no way
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: that it might have been while he was at Indiana
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: that they were already looking at his stuff.
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: I remember when it first came out, everyone said Cincinnati
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: could potentially be in trouble for this because a lot
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: of people believed that they did know and let him
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: play anyway. So like, yeah, my earlier point too, damn.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Bad Texas Tech.
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: You didn't do you due diligence for whatever reason, A
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: lot of people knew this was out there, you didn't.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: You screwed up. Sorry, you lose five mil? Is what
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: it is? Do better research? Yeah, but they didn't know.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: They didn't come out until after he was there.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Right what the.
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: Texas Tech. So yeah, like I don't know if Cincinnati
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: told Texas Tech about Brendan Soresby being a gambler or
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: I don't know if somehow Texas Tech knew that before
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: they got him, but definitely after in April is when
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: Texas Tech was notified about it, so Cincinnati for sure knew,
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: who knows what sort of communication Texas Tech had with them,
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: but they were notified in April, and that's obviously when
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: everything started to kind of unravel. But what kind of
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: bothers me about this is how his lawyer, like his attorneys.
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: It feels kind of arrogant and just kind of like
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: just very annoying because they're trying to make him seem
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: like he's a victim.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Here very much.
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: And I know and I understand that, but like I
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: get it, but also like I think, if you truly
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: have a ambling addiction, which I think Brendan Soresby did have,
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: I think that's sad for sure. But you weren't going
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: to check yourself into rehab if Texas Tech didn't tell
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: you that you had to like it well, because they
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: were like, yeah, because you've been doing it, and they're like, okay,
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: let's put you in rehab and then we're gonna make
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: this excuse that you're a gambling addict and that you
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: have anxiety. And so because you have anxiety, the NCAA
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: has to give you more eligibility and let you play.
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: Because this is going to be detrimental to your mental
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: health and like whatever, Like they're just trying to make
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: him sound like he's mentally ill, and maybe he is.
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: Like I just don't think that because you're a gambling
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: addict that you should be given more room to make
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: mistakes than the average person.
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: Right and well, and to your point, to take it
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: a step further, does Texas Tech even want to put
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: him in rehab if the NCAA doesn't figure it out exactly,
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: are they truly trying to help him or are they like, hey,
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: we're gonna send you to a thirty dollars yeah program.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, get out of here with that correp I mean,
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: even if you are okay and I get it, there
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: is addiction out there everywhere, and an addiction if you
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: know somebody or I have to suffered with yourself. You know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: it's a sad thing. It can be a very sad thing.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: But like the gambling addiction situation is, I'm sorry you
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Still you broke the rule? Yeah, I don't care. Still rule.
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: At the end of the day, we get it and
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: we get all the help you want. I hope you
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: have a great career. I hope you play for fifty
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: five years in the NFL. Hope you have an awesome one,
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: but like, you broke our rules and if like we
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: don't enforce something on these rules, then everything is going
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: to crumble around us. And we can't make the excuse
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: because you had a gambling addiction. And addiction is also
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: something that people can use as an excuse, and that's
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: what and that's why you don't know, like you never
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: know when it's actually a problem with somebody or not,
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: or it's just an excuse.
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: He is a punish and not playing against ambling Christian
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: mats or or.
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: This quote specifically from the lawsuit is what really irritated me. Quote.
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: Instead of exercising compassion, the NC double A has responded
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: with silence, repeated information demands, and delay. The NC double
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: a's response reflects a self protective bureaucracy that has abandoned
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: its professed commitment to student athlete well being and that
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: ignores the contractual and legal obligations it owes to student athletes.
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: Which I could argue that the NC double A, yes,
• 36:37
  Speaker 9: for sure being a little self protective here, but I
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: think that you are kind of looking out for the
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: student athletes well being because you're like, hey, you're not
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: allowed to do this, sharing for it, right.
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: Exactly, your kid does something wrong, you have to punish
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: him for men they can, you can't.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: It is bad for them in the long run if
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: you let them get away with it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you could say, oh, well, the NCAA is not
• 36:59
  Speaker 10: looking into the best interest of the student athlete.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I guess you are.
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: You are.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: I don't know the character of bendetz Orsby. I'm not
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: accusing him of anything. But if he can get away
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: from this, get away with this, what happens when he's
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: done playing football and he goes up and maybe breaks
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: a law. Potentially that could happen. Yeah, and he's not
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: gonna get away with that. He's like, wait a minute,
• 37:16
  Speaker 10: I only got a slap on the wrist for for
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: this my entire life. Why am I all of a
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: sudden trying to face the real world. I just think
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: it has the opposite of.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: Fe I would agree with y'all, it has the opposite like,
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: not only you're not looking out for the betterment of
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: college athletics or the kid.
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: And also like, now, if you're a college athlete, you're
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: you have to be thinking, Hell, I can do whatever
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I want, y'all.
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: I'm addicted to speeding only that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, about the parents of a lot of these players, Yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: they probably think we can do whatever.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: That we want. Yeah, everybody around them, And of course,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: like all these coaches, now, these coaches that are even
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: the like I'm not trying to say like every like
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: there's probably coaches out there that don't want to take
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: advantage of the system they have.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: Yea, they want the betterment of college football. They want
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: that high academia that like the kids to get an educate.
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: They want it to be a little bit more similar
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: to what it used to be. It'll never be that,
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: we get it, but they they want to hold it
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: in a high regard, high standard because they have high
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: respect for college athletic But even they have to be like, Okay,
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: to be able to compete and keep my job, Like
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: we have to push the we have to we have
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: to push the envelope, Like how do you do that?
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: Coaches are now and then you got someone the opposite end,
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: they're like, I just want to do it all the time. Right,
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: You're gonna have that everywhere, but like, how are these
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: rules gonna They're going to continue to push the limits.
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: They're going to continue to push the limits until somebody
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: gets made an example.
• 38:50
  Speaker 9: This is another really annoying somebody will get.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Made an example at some point, hopefully.
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this is another really annoying quote in the suit.
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: Time is of the essence. The filing states, this is
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: miss's last year of collegiate eligibility, a once in a
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: lifetime opportunity that, once lost, can never be recovered. Okay,
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: well he's done it at two other schools, so I
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: wouldn't call it a once in a lifetime opportunity. Also, like,
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: if this was his last year of collegiate eligibility and
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: he didn't want to lose that last year of eligibility,
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: you shouldn't have done the one thing that's gonna get
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: you permanently banned. I mean, it's not the one thing,
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: but you know what I mean, like biggest, it's the
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: biggest thing that like, do not bet on your own team. Yeah,
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: y'all said it at the beginning of the show. They
• 39:32
  Speaker 9: would bring people in, and the two things they told
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: you were I.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Forgot the first one.
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: Agent don't talk to an agent, and don't gamble. It
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: is so easy to follow those two rules. I mean, well,
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: now you can talk to agents, but it's so easy
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: to not bet on your own team or even gamble.
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: And I get people are gonna make the argument of like,
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: well all the ads and like we're sitting here talking
• 39:55
  Speaker 9: about sports, and when then we'll tell you about draggings.
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: I get that, but like, just follow the one rule.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: You can bet, we can gamble, you can bet, you
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: can bet on whatever the hell you want. It just
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: can't be your team.
• 40:06
  Speaker 10: Well two days one, Now, if they have that competition
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: with athletes at all, they're gonna say, uh, they're telling
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: me not to do this, but I can do it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Britnet's always we did it.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: I'll get away with it. I'll still bet on my
• 40:16
  Speaker 10: own team. Also, I never understood the argument of, well,
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: all the ad dollars they're making on okay, so why
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: is it?
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Why do you get to bet on it?
• 40:25
  Speaker 10: As a player, you get the privilege of playing college football.
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: In return, you don't get to bet on your own team.
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: We don't get the privileges, we don't get the millions
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: of dollars in an IL, but you know what, we
• 40:36
  Speaker 10: get to bet on the team. It's a give and
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: take I've never understood the argument of, well, all these
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: sports betting companies are making money off the backs of
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: these players. Yes, that's that's kind of how life works. Sorry,
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: there's a given take and everything. Yeah, that's every business.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: We were told.
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: Players that people under eighteen can't gamble everybody.
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, doesn't matter how gid you are. Tom Radio has
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: told this, the game ton't know you anything. The game
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: that you play will exist after you're done, after you retire,
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: after you die, everything, the game will be there. You
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: will not. It does not owe you anything. What's happening
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: now in college sports is people now think the game
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: owes them something.
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and do.
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: You think, yeah, you made some good plays, but like, yeah,
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: get out of here.
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: You think you're owed a big contract your first year
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: out of.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: School, and because everybody's told them how great they were.
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: Sorry, Brendan, you broke it.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Broke the like the Cardinal Sin, the biggest run.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't do it, cannot do it. It is.
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: I'm so sorry that this one. Yeah, this one in
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: a lifetime opportunity was quote unquote taken away from you
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: because you bet.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: You know what else is the attorneys say that prison, Yeah,
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: well criminal defense. Oh, his life's potentially over.
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: No, it's not. He's a young guy. He's in college.
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: You can do whatever you want in life. Nobody can't do.
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: He can't play for Texas Tech year. That's the only
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: thing you can't do.
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: You still got a little under two weeks to go
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: into the supplemental drifts.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, are playing in Canada. A lot of different opportunities.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: You can go and with all your audience, beat the
• 42:12
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• 42:13
  Speaker 3: That's one thing we don't know if he won.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: We don't know if he want if he did, Lan,
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  Speaker 5: I mean.
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