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- 0:03This is late 1946, World War II is
- 0:06over, the U.S. is demobilization, soldiers are
- 0:10being sent home, warships are being decommissioned.
- 0:14Yet, the Navy assembles a force larger than
- 0:17the one used to invade Guadalcanal and it
- 0:21is sent to Antarctica.
- 0:23The official mandate was simple, train personnel in
- 0:27polar operations, test equipment in the extreme cold,
- 0:30expand America's scientific presence on the continent.
- 0:34But as we've seen, there are details that
- 0:36does not fit the picture.
- 0:38First detail, why bring an aircraft carrier?
- 0:41Why bring a submarine?
- 0:44Why bring fighter planes and a full infantry
- 0:47force to a place with no enemies?
- 0:51Second detail, why do you do it when
- 0:54you already have all the Arctic experience you
- 0:57need?
- 0:58Third detail, when the expedition returned in February
- 1:041947, after only two months instead of eight,
- 1:08Byrd was silent.
- 1:10He who otherwise loved to talk to the
- 1:13press avoiding questions, his official reports were classified,
- 1:17it has still not been fully released.
- 1:20Fourth detail, in a rare interview on the
- 1:22way home, cited in the Chilean newspaper, Byrd
- 1:26said, the United States must prepare to defend
- 1:30itself against enemy fighters that can come from
- 1:33the polar regions in the event of a
- 1:36new war.
- 1:37America could be attacked by an enemy with
- 1:40the ability to fly from one pole to
- 1:43another at equitable speed.
- 1:47That's a strange statement.
- 1:50The Soviet Union in 1947 had no aircraft
- 1:52that could do that.
- 1:54No one did.
- 1:55Yet, one of America's most experienced polar explorers
- 1:58and a senior officer said it publicly.
- 2:02What was he referring to?
- 2:08This is where the documented facts ends.
- 2:10And this is where we must do something
- 2:13this podcast always does.
- 2:15We must draw a sharp line between what
- 2:17we know, what we do not know, and
- 2:20what people believe.
- 2:22In the next chapters we will be a
- 2:24little more speculative.
- 2:25Let me start with the German submarines.
- 2:32In the summer of 1945, two months after
- 2:35Germany's surrender, two submarines sailed into the port
- 2:39of Mar del Plata in Argentina, U-530
- 2:44and U-977.
- 2:47They surrendered to the Argentine authorities, not to
- 2:51the Allied forces, as you might expect.
- 2:53When interrogated, the crew told a strange story.
- 2:56They claimed that they had been a part
- 2:58of something called the Führerkonvoi, a top-secret
- 3:02naval unit tasked with transporting something to Antarctica.
- 3:07According to American intelligence, which gains access to
- 3:11the interrogation records, the captain of U-530
- 3:14said his submarine had delivered Reich relics, Hitler's
- 3:21personal belongings and passengers with bandaged faces, to
- 3:24Antarctica.
- 3:26This was just weeks before the war ends.
- 3:29The captain of U-977, Heinz Schäufer, confirmed
- 3:35having followed the same route a little later.
- 3:40Now we need to be very precise here.
- 3:45There is documentation for this submarine's surrender to
- 3:49Argentina.
- 3:52That's a fact.
- 3:54There is documentation that the Allied intelligence interrogated
- 3:59the crew.
- 4:00That's also a fact.
- 4:01But the claim about Reich relics, passengers with
- 4:05bandaged faces and a secret naval base in
- 4:08Antarctica comes from witnesses' statements that has no
- 4:12independent sources, has not been confirmed.
- 4:16It comes from men who have every reason
- 4:19to conceal their own role in the Nazi,
- 4:22should we say, final chapter.
- 4:24So take it for what it is, a
- 4:26witness testimony, uncorroborated, but noted in official archives.
- 4:34The interesting thing is that the Americans took
- 4:37them serious enough to send the largest naval
- 4:40forces in history to Antarctica barely 18 months
- 4:44later.
- 4:46And there's more.
- 4:48The Germans had been in Antarctica before the
- 4:51war.
- 4:51This is documented.
- 4:54In 1938 and 1939, Nazi Germany sent an
- 4:58expedition to Green Mordsland, officially to establish whaling
- 5:01stations.
- 5:02Unofficially?
- 5:03Yeah, well, there are theories.
- 5:07The expedition was led by Captain Alfred Reucher.
- 5:11Two aircraft were launched from the ship Schwabenland
- 5:15using catapults.
- 5:17Over three weeks, they flew over 600,000
- 5:20square kilometers and they dropped metal flags bearing
- 5:23swastikas for every 25 kilometers.
- 5:27The area was then declared as German territory.
- 5:30They called it Neuschwabenland, and that procedure was
- 5:33in accordance with the rules at that time.
- 5:36That's facts.
- 5:38There are maps, there are aerial photos, there
- 5:41are Reucher's reports.
- 5:44What the Nazis were looking for there, and
- 5:47what they might have found, is another matter.
- 5:50But a few years later, in the middle
- 5:53of the war, Great Admiral Karl Dönitz said
- 5:57something strange.
- 5:58He is quoted to saying, the German submarine
- 6:02fleet is proud to have built an impregnable
- 6:04fortress for the Führer on the other side
- 6:08of the world.
- 6:09And then a little earlier, my submarines, sorry,
- 6:14my submariners has discovered a truly earthly paradise.
- 6:21What does a man like Dönitz mean by
- 6:23an impregnable fortress on the other side of
- 6:26the world?
- 6:28What does he mean with an earthly paradise?
- 6:34No one knows this for certain, but the
- 6:36theory is, and here we are in speculative
- 6:39waters, is that the Germans built a base
- 6:42in Antarctica, codenamed Base 211.
- 6:45Why?
- 6:46Possible to control the southern seas, possible to
- 6:49extract minerals, especially uranium, possibly as a refuge
- 6:54for the Nazi elites if the war was
- 6:57lost.
- 6:58After the war, the Americans discovered that thousands
- 7:02of highly qualified German scientists had disappeared, not
- 7:06dead, not captured, just gone.
- 7:11Over 100 submarines were also not on the
- 7:13official list of sunk vessels or prisoners of
- 7:17war.
- 7:18Something has been moved, but where?
- 7:26That brings us to the heart of the
- 7:28mystery.
- 7:29Operation Highjump was officially terminated after eight weeks
- 7:32due to adverse weather conditions.
- 7:36But Antarctic weather records from 1947 show no
- 7:40unusual events.
- 7:42So what happened?
- 7:46There is one eyewitness, a man called John
- 7:48Sileson.
- 7:49He was a military pilot who participated in
- 7:52the expedition.
- 7:53In an interview many years later, he described
- 7:56what he claims to have seen on February
- 7:5926, 1947.
- 8:01I quote, They jumped out of the water
- 8:05like gorillas.
- 8:06They slid between the ship mast at such
- 8:09speeds that the air current tore the radio
- 8:13antennas apart.
- 8:14Several corsairs managed to take off from the
- 8:17Casablanca.
- 8:18I didn't have time to blink before two
- 8:21of them were hit by some unknown rays
- 8:24from those flying saucers.
- 8:27They crashed into the water near the ships.
- 8:30I was on the deck of the Casablanca.
- 8:32I understood nothing.
- 8:34The objects made no sound.
- 8:36They were silent between the ships and speeded
- 8:41deadly fire.
- 8:43The whole nightmare lasted about 20 minutes.
- 8:46When they flew back under the water, we
- 8:49began to count the losses.
- 8:51They were terrible.
- 8:55There is no independent confirmation of Sileson's account.
- 8:59There is no official report mentioning attacks.
- 9:01There is no ship losses that matches the
- 9:04description.
- 9:05But there is something else.
- 9:08In 1948, the year after Highjump, the U
- 9:11.S. sent another expedition to Antarctica, Operation Windmill,
- 9:15officially to take control of Otus.
- 9:18The question is, control of what?
- 9:22And in 1949, James Forstall, America's first Secretary
- 9:26of Defense, died under circumstances that is still
- 9:29debated today.
- 9:31He fell, or was pushed, out of a
- 9:34window on a military hospital, officially a suicide.
- 9:38But Forstall has shortly before spoken about Operation
- 9:42Highjump, about flying saucers and about Nazi bases
- 9:46in Antarctica.
- 9:49Okay, let's step one step back.
- 9:52The theories about what happened during Highjump fall
- 9:56into three main categories.
- 9:58The first category.
- 10:01The Americans were hunting Nazis.
- 10:03According to this hypothesis, the Germans had managed
- 10:06to establish a secret base in Antarctica, Base
- 10:09211.
- 10:11They had moved scientists, technology, and perhaps even
- 10:14Hitler himself there.
- 10:16Highjump was an attempt to eliminate that base.
- 10:19But the Germans had developed disk-shaped craft
- 10:22that could operate both underwater and in the
- 10:26air.
- 10:28It was these flying saucers that attacked the
- 10:31American fleet, hence the retreat.
- 10:36Second theory.
- 10:38Admiral Byrd has discovered an entrance to the
- 10:41Earth interior, the so-called Hollow Earth Theory.
- 10:45The idea is older than Byrd.
- 10:47It dates back to Edmund Halley in the
- 10:491600s and was popularized by Gilles Verne with
- 10:54the Journey to the Center of the Earth
- 10:57in 1864.
- 11:01The theory says that the Earth is hollow,
- 11:05that an entire ecosystem exists inside, with its
- 11:09own sun, its own seas, its own civilization.
- 11:14According to this theory, Byrd flew through an
- 11:17opening in the pole and saw a world
- 11:20of green valleys, rivers, and in some versions,
- 11:23giant animals like mammoths.
- 11:25Some of them even claim that he met
- 11:27an advanced civilization that warned him about nuclear
- 11:30weapons.
- 11:32Then there is the third theory.
- 11:34There is no mystery at all.
- 11:36Highjump was exactly as it says, a training
- 11:39exercise cut short due to bad weather and
- 11:44logistical problems.
- 11:45Byrd's strange statement is taken out of context
- 11:49or is poorly translated.
- 11:51The NASA submarines were simply fleeing, and their
- 11:54story is self-advertising.
- 11:59Which theory is correct, we don't know.
- 12:02But we can test the theories again, what
- 12:04we actually know.
- 12:09Let me be completely honest, there is no
- 12:11documentation that Operation Highjump was attacked by flying
- 12:14saucers.
- 12:15There is no official casualty figures showing 50
- 12:19dead or destroyed aircraft.
- 12:21There is no video, no photos of this
- 12:24alleged attack.
- 12:26The only witness, John Sireson, is a single
- 12:28voice.
- 12:29His account has never been corroborated by other
- 12:31participants.
- 12:33So what explains the persistence of the account?
- 12:38There is a fascinating dynamic here.
- 12:40In the 1950s and 60s books about Nazi
- 12:43UFOs, secret bases, and Admiral Byrd's missing diary
- 12:48began to flourish.
- 12:50Authors like Ladida Slabo, Ernst Sudell, and others
- 12:55wrote detailed accounts with technical drawings, photographs, and
- 12:59even some secret documents.
- 13:03The problem is that none of these authors
- 13:05ever produced a single source of original.
- 13:10Their documents were always in private hands or
- 13:14were lost after publications.
- 13:16Things like that.
- 13:18Their drawings showing aircraft that looked like something
- 13:21from science fiction, which they also were.
- 13:26Some of the aircraft turns out to be
- 13:28models from model building kits from Airfix and
- 13:31Revell that has sold purely fantasy products.
- 13:38That doesn't mean that nothing happened.
- 13:40It means that we must be cautious.
- 13:43There are unexplained phenomena associated with Antarctica.
- 13:49The subglacial lakes, Lake Rostock for instance, are
- 13:52real.
- 13:53They lie under 4 km of ice.
- 13:57The water temperature is around 3-3 °C,
- 14:01but the water remains liquid due to the
- 14:03pressure.
- 14:04Some of these lakes have been isolated for
- 14:06millions of years.
- 14:08In 2013, a Russian research team found microbial
- 14:13life in Lake Rostock, life that has now
- 14:17found nowhere else on the earth.
- 14:21That is science.
- 14:22That is documented.
- 14:24But it is not proof of an airspace.
- 14:26It is not proof of a hollow earth.
- 14:29What about Bert's diary?
- 14:32The secret diary allegedly describing his flight into
- 14:36the earth interior appeared in the 1990s.
- 14:40It is believed to have been written in
- 14:421956, a year before his death.
- 14:46The problem is that no one has ever
- 14:48seen the original.
- 14:50There are no handwritten pages in public archives.
- 14:53There is no documentation that the diary ever
- 14:55existed, apart from references in books that is
- 14:59already highly speculative.
- 15:03The only thing is worth nothing, sorry, one
- 15:08thing is worth nothing, however, the diaries circulating
- 15:11on the internet contain patches that sound like
- 15:16something from a novel.
- 15:18An underground civilization, a master who warns against
- 15:22atomic weapons, flying saucers with swastikas, it is
- 15:27a narrative that is almost too perfect, too
- 15:29satisfying to be true.
- 15:32Perhaps the theory says more about us than
- 15:35about Antarctica.
- 15:42And there is a deeper point here.
- 15:45The boundary between what we know and what
- 15:48we do not know is not a line,
- 15:49it is a landscape.
- 15:51And that landscape is filled with gaps that
- 15:53invite explanations.
- 15:56Antarctica is vast, it is isolated, it is
- 15:59extreme.
- 16:00It is easy to imagine that something is
- 16:02hidden there because we know so little.
- 16:06And that brings us back to Byrd himself.
- 16:08In an interview in 1954, a year before
- 16:13his final expedition, he said something that is
- 16:15very crude.
- 16:16The host asked, Is there any unexplored land
- 16:21left on earth that might appeal to young
- 16:24adventurers?
- 16:26Byrd replied, Yes, there is an area left
- 16:30on the world today as big as the
- 16:32United States that has never been seen by
- 16:35human beings.
- 16:37And that is on the other side of
- 16:39the South Pool.
- 16:41On the other side of the South Pool.
- 16:45Notice the words.
- 16:47He does not say south of the South
- 16:49Pool, he says on the other side.
- 16:52What does it mean?
- 16:54I mean, if you stand on the South
- 16:55Pool, all direction is north.
- 16:59There is no other side unless you are
- 17:01talking about something else.
- 17:06Byrd died in 1957.
- 17:08He was 68 years old, officially on a
- 17:12heart attack.
- 17:13His son Richard Byrd III died under mysterious
- 17:17circumstances in 1988.
- 17:19He was on his way to give a
- 17:21speech about his father's work when he disappeared.
- 17:24Three weeks later he was found dead in
- 17:27an abandoned warehouse in Baltimore, wearing different clothes,
- 17:31in a different city, reportedly of starvation and
- 17:34dehydration, officially nothing criminal.
- 17:38But the pattern is strange.
- 17:47So why do these stories persist?
- 17:51It has been decades since high jump.
- 17:53Countless satellites have photographed every centimeter of Antarctica.
- 17:57Thousands of researchers have lived on the continent.
- 18:00No secret society, no underground civilization, no flying
- 18:04saucers has been officially confirmed.
- 18:07Yet the stories keep appearing in books, on
- 18:10YouTube, in podcasts like this.
- 18:13Perhaps it's nothing about Antarctica.
- 18:17Perhaps it's about trust.
- 18:19We live in an age where institutions are
- 18:23being challenged, governments lies, the military classifies information,
- 18:30science got things wrong or gets overtaken, into
- 18:35the void that uncertainty creates narrative flows and
- 18:39some of them are more satisfying than the
- 18:42official version.
- 18:43Because the official version is so boring, a
- 18:47training exercise that was interrupted by a weather,
- 18:50a hero that growled and died, submarines surrendered.
- 18:55The unofficial version is exciting, secret bases, flying
- 18:59saucers, a warning from a forgotten civilization, a
- 19:04truth too dangerous to be told.
- 19:08But there is something else at play, something
- 19:10about ourselves.
- 19:12Humans has always sought the hidden worlds underground,
- 19:20beneath the ice, beyond the horizon, from Atlantis
- 19:24to Shambhala, from Sylvain to H.P. Lovecraft.
- 19:28We have a deep longing for believing that
- 19:31there is more than we can see.
- 19:33The reality has layer, that the truth is
- 19:36hidden, not absent.
- 19:38Perhaps that is why Admiral Burdess still fascinates,
- 19:43not because he was a liar, but because
- 19:46he was an explorer and we want what
- 19:53he explored to be greater than ice.
- 19:56In the end, Operation Highjump says more about
- 20:00humanity's relationship with secrets than anything, any secret
- 20:06in the ice.
- 20:08We want to believe there is something, because
- 20:10the alternative, that there is nothing, is less
- 20:13interesting.
- 20:14And perhaps, just perhaps, that is what drives
- 20:18us, curiosity, the longing for the undiscovered, the
- 20:22need for a place where the rules are
- 20:24different.
- 20:25I don't know what Admiral Burdess saw in
- 20:30Antarctica in 1947.
- 20:32None of us do.
- 20:34The archives are still closed.
- 20:36The reports are still classified.
- 20:38The witnesses are dead.
- 20:40But the interesting thing isn't whenever the theories
- 20:43are true.
- 20:45The interesting thing is the question that never
- 20:47disappears, that the ice holds something we do
- 20:52not fully understand.
- 20:53Maybe it is just ice.
- 20:56But the question, the question is keep living.
- 21:00What do you think?
- 21:02Are there something in Antarctica?
- 21:04Burdess' other side of the pole, was that
- 21:06a metaphor, a mistranslation, or is a hint
- 21:09of something real?
- 21:11I don't have the full answers.
- 21:13I don't have the answers.
- 21:15But I have more episodes on the way,
- 21:18about subglacial lakes, about maps showing Antarctica without
- 21:22ice, about Nazi's fascinations for the good.
- 21:26And next time, we will drive into another
- 21:34mystery.
- 21:35Remember to like and subscribe.
- 21:36And remember, what you think you know, always
- 21:39ask yourself, how do I know that?
- 21:42See you next time.
- 22:10This is late 1946.
- 22:12World War II is over.
- 22:14The U.S. is demobilization.
- 22:17Soldiers are being sent home.
- 22:19Warships are being decommissioned.
- 22:21Yet, the Navy assembles a force larger than
- 22:24the one used to invade Guadalcanal, and it
- 22:28is sent to Antarctica.
- 22:30The official mandate was simple.
- 22:32Train personnel in polar operations.
- 22:35Test equipment in extreme cold.
- 22:37Expand America's scientific presence on the continent.
- 22:41But as we have seen, there are details
- 22:43that does not fit the picture.
- 22:45First detail.
- 22:46Why bring an aircraft carrier?
- 22:48Why bring a submarine?
- 22:51Why bring fighter planes and a full infantry
- 22:54force to a place with no enemies?
- 22:58Second detail.
- 23:00Why do we do it when we already
- 23:02have all the Arctic experience we need?
- 23:05Third detail.
- 23:08When the expedition returned in February 1947, after
- 23:13only two months instead of eight, Byrd was
- 23:16silent.
- 23:18He, who otherwise loved to talk to the
- 23:20press avoiding questions, his official reports were classified,
- 23:24it has still not been fully released.
- 23:27Fourth detail.
- 23:28In a rare interview on the way home,
- 23:30cited in the Chilean newspaper Byrd said, the
- 23:34United States must prepare to defend itself against
- 23:38enemy fighters that can come from the polar
- 23:41regions in the event of a new war.
- 23:44America could be attacked by an enemy with
- 23:47the ability to fly from one pole to
- 23:50another at equitable speed.
- 23:54That's a strange statement.
- 23:57The Soviet Union in 1947 had no aircraft
- 24:00that could do that.
- 24:01No one did.
- 24:02Yet one of America's most experienced polar explorers
- 24:06and a senior officer said it publicly.
- 24:10What was he referring to?
- 24:15This is where the documented facts ends.
- 24:18And this is where we must do something
- 24:21this podcast always does.
- 24:22We must draw a sharp line between what
- 24:24we know, what we do not know, and
- 24:27what people believe.
- 24:28In the next chapters we will be a
- 24:31little more speculative.
- 24:32Let me start with the German submarines.
- 24:39In the summer of 1945, two months after
- 24:42Germany's surrender, two submarines sailed into the port
- 24:46of Mar del Plata in Argentina.
- 24:49U-530 and U-977.
- 24:54They surrendered to the Argentine authorities, not to
- 24:58the Allied forces as you might expect.
- 25:00When interrogated, the crew told a strange story.
- 25:03They claimed that they had been a part
- 25:05of something called the Führerkonvoi, a top-secret
- 25:09naval unit tasked with transporting something to Antarctica.
- 25:14According to American intelligence, which gains access to
- 25:18the interrogation records, the captain of U-530
- 25:21said his submarine had delivered Reich relics, Hitler's
- 25:28personal belongings and passengers with bandaged faces, to
- 25:31Antarctica.
- 25:33This was just weeks before the war ends.
- 25:36The captain of U-977, Heinz Schäfer, confirmed
- 25:42having followed the same route a little later.
- 25:47Now we need to be very precise here.
- 25:53There is documentation for this submarine's surrender to
- 25:56Argentina.
- 25:59That's a fact.
- 26:01There is documentation that the Allied intelligence interrogated
- 26:06the crew.
- 26:07That's also a fact.
- 26:08But the claim about Reich relics, passengers with
- 26:12bandaged faces and a secret naval base in
- 26:15Antarctica comes from witnesses' statements that has no
- 26:19independent sources, has not been confirmed.
- 26:23It comes from men who have every reason
- 26:26to conceal their own role in the Nazi,
- 26:29should we say, final chapter.
- 26:31So take it for what it is, a
- 26:33witness testimony, uncorroborated, but noted in official archives.
- 26:41The interesting thing is that the Americans took
- 26:45them serious enough to send the largest naval
- 26:47forces in history to Antarctica, barely 18 months
- 26:51later.
- 26:53And there's more.
- 26:56The Germans had been in Antarctica before the
- 26:58war.
- 26:59This is documented.
- 27:01In 1938 and 1939, Nazi Germany sent an
- 27:05expedition to Queen Maudsland, officially to establish whaling
- 27:08stations.
- 27:10Obviously, yeah, well, there are theories.
- 27:14The expedition was led by Captain Alfred Reuscher.
- 27:18Two aircraft were launched from the ship Schwabenland
- 27:23using catapults.
- 27:24Over three weeks, they flew over 600,000
- 27:27square kilometers, and they dropped metal flags bearing
- 27:31swastikas for every 25 kilometers.
- 27:34The area was then declared as German territory.
- 27:37They called it Neuschwabenland.
- 27:38And that procedure was in accordance with the
- 27:42rules at that time.
- 27:43That's facts.
- 27:45There are maps.
- 27:46There are aerial photos.
- 27:48There are Reuscher reports.
- 27:51What the Nazis were looking for there and
- 27:54what they might have found is another matter.
- 27:58But a few years later, in the middle
- 28:01of the war, Great Admiral Karl Dönitz said
- 28:04something strange.
- 28:05He is quoted to saying, The German submarine
- 28:09fleet is proud to have built an impregnable
- 28:12fortress for the Führer on the other side
- 28:15of the world.
- 28:17And then a little earlier, My submarines, sorry,
- 28:21my submariners has discovered a truly earthly paradise.
- 28:28What does a man like Dönitz mean by
- 28:30an impregnable fortress on the other side of
- 28:33the world?
- 28:35What does he mean with an earthly paradise?
- 28:41No one knows this for certain.
- 28:43But the theory is, and here we are
- 28:45in speculative waters, is that the Germans built
- 28:48a base in Antarctica codenamed Base 211.
- 28:52Why?
- 28:54Possible to control the southern seas, possible to
- 28:57extract minerals, especially uranium, possibly as a refuge
- 29:01for the Nazi elites if the war was
- 29:04lost.
- 29:05After the war, the Americans discovered that thousands
- 29:09of highly qualified German scientists had disappeared, not
- 29:14dead, not captured, just gone.
- 29:18Over 100 submarines were also not on the
- 29:21official list of sunk vessels or prisoners of
- 29:24war.
- 29:25Something has been moved, but where?
- 29:33That brings us to the heart of the
- 29:35mystery.
- 29:35Operation Highjump was officially terminated after eight weeks
- 29:40due to adverse weather conditions.
- 29:43But Antarctic weather records from 1947 show no
- 29:47unusual events.
- 29:49So what happened?
- 29:53There is one eyewitness, a man called John
- 29:55Sileson.
- 29:56He was a military pilot who participated in
- 29:59the expedition.
- 29:59In an interview many years later, he described
- 30:03what he claims to have seen on February
- 30:0626, 1947.
- 30:09I quote, They jumped out of the water
- 30:12like gorillas.
- 30:13They slid between the shipmast at such speeds
- 30:16that the air current tore the radio antennas
- 30:21apart.
- 30:22Several corsairs managed to take off from the
- 30:24Casablanca.
- 30:25I didn't have time to blink before two
- 30:28of them were hit by some unknown rays
- 30:31from those flying saucers.
- 30:35They crashed into the water near the ships.
- 30:37I was on the deck of the Casablanca.
- 30:39I understood nothing.
- 30:41The objects made no sound.
- 30:43They were silent between the ships and speeded
- 30:48deadly fire.
- 30:50The whole nightmare lasted about 20 minutes.
- 30:53When they flew back under the water, we
- 30:56began to count the losses.
- 30:58They were terrible.
- 31:02There is no independent confirmation of Sileson's account.
- 31:06There is no official report mentioning attack.
- 31:09There is no ship losses that match its
- 31:11description.
- 31:12But there is something else.
- 31:15In 1948, the year after hijab, the U
- 31:18.S. sent another expedition to Antarctica.
- 31:21Operation Windmill officially took control of us.
- 31:25The question is, control of what?
- 31:29And in 1949, James Forstall, America's first Secretary
- 31:33of Defense, died under circumstances that is still
- 31:37debated today.
- 31:38He fell, or was pushed, out of a
- 31:41window on a military hospital.
- 31:44Officially a suicide, but Forstall has shortly before
- 31:47spoken about Operation Hijab, about flying saucers, and
- 31:52about Nazi bases in Antarctica.
- 31:56Okay, let's step one step back.
- 31:59The theories about what happened during hijab fall
- 32:03into three main categories.
- 32:05The first category.
- 32:08The Americans were hunting Nazis.
- 32:10According to this hypothesis, the Germans has managed
- 32:14to establish the secret base in Antarctica, Base
- 32:17211.
- 32:18They have moved scientists, technology, and perhaps even
- 32:21Hitler himself there.
- 32:23Hijab was an attempt to eliminate that base.
- 32:26But the Germans has developed disk-shaped craft
- 32:29that could operate both underwater and in the
- 32:34air.
- 32:35It was these flying saucers that attacked the
- 32:38American fleet, hence the retreat.
- 32:43Second theory.
- 32:45Admiral Byrd has discovered an entrance to the
- 32:48Earth interior, the so-called Hollow Earth theory.
- 32:52The idea is older than Byrd.
- 32:54It dates back to Edmund Halley in the
- 32:561600s and was popularized by Jules Verne with
- 33:01the journey to the center of the Earth
- 33:04in 1864.
- 33:09The theory says that the Earth is hollow,
- 33:12that an entire ecosystem exists inside, with its
- 33:17own sun, its own seas, its own civilization.
- 33:20According to this theory, Byrd flew through an
- 33:24opening in the pole and saw a world
- 33:27of green valleys, rivers, and in some versions,
- 33:30giant animals like mammoths.
- 33:32Some of them even claim that he met
- 33:34an advanced civilization that warned him about nuclear
- 33:37weapons.
- 33:39Then there is the third theory.
- 33:41There is no mystery at all.
- 33:43Hygiene was exactly as it says.
- 33:46A training exercise got short due to bad
- 33:50weather and logistical problems.
- 33:53Byrd's strange statement is taken out of context
- 33:56or is poorly translated.
- 33:58The NASA submarines were simply fleeing, and their
- 34:01story is self-advertising.
- 34:06Which theory is correct, we don't know.
- 34:09But we can test the theories again, what
- 34:11we actually know.
- 34:15Let me be completely honest.
- 34:18There is no documentation that Operation Hydra was
- 34:21attacked by flying saucers.
- 34:23There is no official casualty figures showing 50
- 34:27dead or destroyed aircraft.
- 34:28There is no video, no photos of this
- 34:31alleged attack.
- 34:33The only witness, John Sireson, is a single
- 34:35voice.
- 34:36His account has never been corroborated by other
- 34:38participants.
- 34:40So what explains the persistence of the account?
- 34:43There is a fascinating dynamic here.
- 34:47In the 1950s and 60s books about Nazi
- 34:50UFOs, secret bases and Admiral Byrd's missing diary
- 34:55began to flourish.
- 34:57Authors like Ladida Slabo, Ernst Sudell and others
- 35:02wrote detailed accounts with technical drawings, photographs and
- 35:06even some secret documents.
- 35:08The problem is that none of these authors
- 35:12ever produced a single source of original.
- 35:17Their documents were always in private hands or
- 35:21were lost after publications.
- 35:23Things like that.
- 35:25There are drawings showing aircraft that looked like
- 35:28something from science fiction, which they also were.
- 35:32Some of the aircraft turns out to be
- 35:35models from model building kits from Airfix and
- 35:38Revell that has sold purely fantasy products.
- 35:46That doesn't mean that nothing happened.
- 35:48It means that we must be cautious.
- 35:51There are unexplained phenomena associated with the attack.
- 35:56The subglacial lakes, Lake Rostock for instance, are
- 36:00real.
- 36:00They lie under 4 km of ice.
- 36:04The water temperature is around minus 3 degrees
- 36:07Celsius, but the water remains liquid due to
- 36:10the pressure.
- 36:11Some of these lakes have been isolated for
- 36:13millions of years.
- 36:15In 2013, a Russian research team found microbial
- 36:20life in Lake Rostock.
- 36:22Life found nowhere else on the Earth.
- 36:28That is science.
- 36:29That is documented.
- 36:31But it is not proof of an airship
- 36:33base.
- 36:33It is not proof of a hollow Earth.
- 36:36What about Bert's diary?
- 36:39The secret diary, literally describing his flight into
- 36:44the Earth interior, appeared in the 1990s.
- 36:48It is believed to have been written in
- 36:501956, a year before his death.
- 36:53The problem is that no one has ever
- 36:56seen the original.
- 36:57There are no handwritten pages in public archives.
- 37:00There is no documentation that the diary ever
- 37:03existed, apart from references in books.
- 37:06That is already highly speculative.
- 37:10One thing is worth nothing.
- 37:16However, the diaries circulating on the internet contain
- 37:20passages that sound like something from a novel.
- 37:25An underground civilization.
- 37:27A master who warns against atomic weapons.
- 37:31Flying saucers with swastikas.
- 37:34It is a narrative that is almost too
- 37:36perfect, too satisfying to be true.
- 37:39Perhaps the theories say more about us than
- 37:42about Antarctica.
- 37:49And there is a deeper point here.
- 37:52The boundary between what we know and what
- 37:55we do not know is not a line.
- 37:56It is a landscape.
- 37:58And that landscape is filled with gaps that
- 38:00invite explanations.
- 38:03Antarctica is vast.
- 38:05It is isolated.
- 38:06It is extreme.
- 38:07It is easy to imagine that something is
- 38:10hidden there, because we know so little.
- 38:13And that brings us back to Bert himself.
- 38:15In an interview in 1954, a year before
- 38:20his final explanation, he said something that is
- 38:22very crude.
- 38:24The host asked, Is there any unexplored land
- 38:28left on Earth that might appeal to young
- 38:32adventurers?
- 38:33Bert replied, Yes, there is an area left
- 38:37on the world today, as big as the
- 38:39United States, that has never been seen by
- 38:42human beings.
- 38:44And that is on the other side of
- 38:46the South Pole.
- 38:48On the other side of the South Pole.
- 38:52Notice the words.
- 38:54He does not say south of the South
- 38:57Pole.
- 38:57He says on the other side.
- 38:59What does it mean?
- 39:01I mean, if you stand on the South
- 39:03Pole, all direction is north.
- 39:06There is no other side, unless you are
- 39:08talking about something else.
- 39:12Bert died in 1957.
- 39:15He was 68 years old, officially on a
- 39:19heart attack.
- 39:20His son Richard Bert III died under mysterious
- 39:24circumstances in 1988.
- 39:26He was on his way to give a
- 39:28speech about his father's work when he disappeared.
- 39:31Three weeks later, he was found dead in
- 39:34an abandoned warehouse in Baltimore, wearing different clothes,
- 39:38in a different city, reportedly of starvation and
- 39:41dehydration.
- 39:43Officially nothing criminal, but the pattern is strange.
- 39:54So why do these stories persist?
- 39:58It has been decades since high jump.
- 40:00Countless satellites have photographed every centimeter of Antarctica.
- 40:04Thousands of researchers have lived on the continent.
- 40:07No secret society, no underground civilization, no flying
- 40:11saucers has been officially confirmed.
- 40:14Yet the stories keep appearing in books, on
- 40:17YouTube, in podcasts like this.
- 40:21Perhaps it's nothing about Antarctica.
- 40:24Perhaps it's about trust.
- 40:27We live in an age where institutions are
- 40:30being challenged.
- 40:31Government lies.
- 40:34The military classifies information.
- 40:36Science gets things wrong or gets overtaken.
- 40:41Into the void that uncertainty creates, narrative flows,
- 40:47and some of them are more satisfying than
- 40:49the official versions.
- 40:51Because the official version is so boring, a
- 40:54training exercise that was interrupted by weather, a
- 40:57hero that growled and died.
- 40:59Submarines surrendered.
- 41:02The unofficial version is exciting.
- 41:05Secret bases, flying saucers, a warning from a
- 41:08forgotten civilization, a truth too dangerous to be
- 41:13told.
- 41:15But there is something else at play, something
- 41:18about ourselves.
- 41:20Humans has always sought the hidden worlds underground,
- 41:27beneath the ice, beyond the horizon, from Atlantis
- 41:31to Shambhala, from Sylvain to H.P. Lovecraft.
- 41:35We have a deep longing for believing that
- 41:38there is more than we can see.
- 41:40The reality has layer, that the truth is
- 41:43hidden, not absent.
- 41:46Perhaps that is why Admiral Burdiss still fascinates.
- 41:50Not because he was a liar, but because
- 41:53he was an explorer, and we want what
- 42:00he explored to be greater than ice.
- 42:04In the end, Operation Highjump says most about
- 42:07humanity's relationship with secrets than anything, any secret
- 42:14in the ice.
- 42:15We want to believe there is something, because
- 42:17the alternative, that there is nothing, is less
- 42:20interesting.
- 42:22And perhaps, just perhaps, that is what drives
- 42:25us, curiosity, the longing for the undiscovered, the
- 42:29need for a place where the rules are
- 42:31different.
- 42:33I don't know what Admiral Burdiss saw in
- 42:37Antarctica in 1947.
- 42:39None of us do.
- 42:41The archives are still closed.
- 42:43The reports are still classified.
- 42:45The witnesses are dead.
- 42:47But the interesting thing isn't whenever the theories
- 42:51are true.
- 42:52The interesting thing is the question that never
- 42:55disappears, that the ice holds something we do
- 42:59not fully understand.
- 43:00Maybe it is just ice.
- 43:03But the question, the question is keep living.
- 43:07What do you think?
- 43:09Are there something in Antarctica, birds other side
- 43:12of the pole, was that a metaphor, a
- 43:14mistranslation, or is a hint of something real?
- 43:18I don't have the full answers.
- 43:20I don't have the answers.
- 43:22But I have more episodes on the way,
- 43:25about subglacial lakes, about maps showing Antarctica without
- 43:30ice, about Nazi's fascinations for the good, and
- 43:34next time we will drive into another mystery.
- 43:42Remember to like and subscribe, and remember, what
- 43:45you think you know, always ask yourself, how
- 43:48do I know that?
- 43:49See you next time.