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Mega Edition: What Did Dylan Mortensen Tell The Police In The Wake Of The Murders? (9/7/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Ever
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Speaker 1: since we have learned about the murders in Moscow, there
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Speaker 1: have been questions surrounding what the roommates were doing and
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Speaker 1: why the 911 call wasn't made until eight hours after
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Speaker 1: she saw the man in a mask leaving her house. Now,
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Speaker 1: for me, I certainly don't ascribe to any sort of
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Speaker 1: crazy theory that she was involved in any way. But
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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I don't have questions about what went on.
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Speaker 1: And the explanations that we have been given from a
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Speaker 1: lot of the experts had to do with trauma and
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Speaker 1: flight or fight kind of response. Well, when you hear
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Speaker 1: from these news sources that the roommate thought that the
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Speaker 1: noise was from partying, then if that is the case,
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Speaker 1: how is it that she was terrified? If she thought
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Speaker 1: the noise was from partying, why would she be terrified
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Speaker 1: of that? And why would that make her go in
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Speaker 1: her room and lock the door and not call 911
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Speaker 1: for eight hours? It doesn't make sense that she would
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Speaker 1: be terrified of people partying. Maybe pissed off, right? Look,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get some sleep. But terrified to the
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Speaker 1: point where you don't call 911 for eight hours? I
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Speaker 1: think we're going to need a better explanation than it
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Speaker 1: had to do with trauma. And my guess is there
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Speaker 1: was some intoxication involved as well. whether that is narcotics
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Speaker 1: or alcohol, I have no idea. But that would certainly
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Speaker 1: explain the decision-making here. If you're drunk or inebriated in
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Speaker 1: some sense, and you think people are partying, and you
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Speaker 1: see this dude cruise by, and to you, in your mind,
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Speaker 1: you're saying, look, it's somebody leaving this party. So you
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Speaker 1: crawl back in your bed, lock the door, and go
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Speaker 1: to sleep. That seems like a much more likely scenario,
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Speaker 1: then she was terrified and not able to react for
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Speaker 1: over eight hours. Because that doesn't really jive with what
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Speaker 1: we're hearing, right? So for me, this is one of
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Speaker 1: the biggest mysteries still, and I'd really like to get
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Speaker 1: some clarity and some context here, and hopefully we get
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Speaker 1: that context and that clarity come trial time. But until then,
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Speaker 1: let's dive into this article from the New York Post,
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Speaker 1: and let's see what's going on. Headline, Surviving roommate thought
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Speaker 1: noise from Idaho killing was partying. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Isabel Keene. And if that's the case, right, if
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Speaker 1: this source is correct, then it blows the narrative of
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Speaker 1: her being terrified to the point of inaction out of
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Speaker 1: the water. But like usual, I will caution you that
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Speaker 1: this is a source that has been giving this information anonymously.
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Speaker 1: So it's not like we can go back and verify
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Speaker 1: whatever they're saying. So keep that in mind as we
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Speaker 1: go through the article. A survivor of the University of
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Speaker 1: Idaho killings allegedly thought sounds from her four roommates being
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Speaker 1: brutally slain was just noisy partying and may have passed
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Speaker 1: out after running into accused killer Brian Kohlberger. Now that
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Speaker 1: seems to be way more likely to me than the
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Speaker 1: narrative of her being unresponsive for over eight hours due
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Speaker 1: to fear, because that just doesn't seem like it cuts
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Speaker 1: the mustard, right? If she was terrified, I could see
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Speaker 1: her being scared in the initial moment and maybe for
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Speaker 1: a little while after that. But after a few minutes
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Speaker 1: or an hour or so at the most, you would
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Speaker 1: think that that tarot would have worn off a little bit,
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Speaker 1: at the very least enough to make a phone call.
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Speaker 1: So for me, like I've said from the beginning, my
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Speaker 1: guess is there's some kind of inebriation going on here.
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Speaker 1: And that's what led to her not making this phone
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Speaker 1: call or registering what was really going on. Because I
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Speaker 1: think that's exactly what happened. She just wasn't aware of
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Speaker 1: what was going on. Who thinks that their roommates are
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Speaker 1: getting murdered, right? But the whole terrified for eight hours,
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Speaker 1: that just doesn't cut it for me. We're going to
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Speaker 1: need more of an explanation and more clarity on what
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Speaker 1: happened here. Dylan Mortensen, 21, allegedly called out to her
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Speaker 1: friends to quiet down after she mistook the commotion for partying.
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Speaker 1: a source close to the case, told News Nation. Mortensen
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Speaker 1: allegedly opened her bedroom door around 4 a.m. and yelled,
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Speaker 1: calm down, you're being loud, and I'm trying to sleep.
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Speaker 1: She then closed her door and locked it, according to
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Speaker 1: the source. So, if we're breaking this down and looking
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Speaker 1: at it from what this source is telling us, at least,
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Speaker 1: Dylan Mortensen was under the impression that her friends were
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Speaker 1: still getting it in. She thought that they were still partying,
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Speaker 1: and all of that commotion was because they were still
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Speaker 1: up and partying. So I can see how she's confused here,
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Speaker 1: especially if we have some party favors involved. After hearing
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Speaker 1: still more loud noises that night, Mortensen opened her door
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Speaker 1: again and saw the accused killer, who she assumed was
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Speaker 1: a partygoer, the source said. And this is significant in
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Speaker 1: my opinion as well, because it leads us to motive
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Speaker 1: once again with Brian Koberger, and what his original plan
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Speaker 1: was going into this house. It obviously wasn't to kill
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Speaker 1: everybody in this house because we have survivors. And then
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Speaker 1: you go back to the very beginning of all of
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Speaker 1: this when the authorities came out basically right away and
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Speaker 1: said it was targeted. So with that tidbit of information
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Speaker 1: from the authorities and the fact that there were survivors left,
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Speaker 1: obviously this was a targeted attack. The question is, who
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Speaker 1: was the main target? In another report, Mortensen told authorities
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Speaker 1: she had seen an unknown figure clad in black clothing
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Speaker 1: and a mask walking past her toward the home's back
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Speaker 1: exit just after 4 a.m. on November 13th. So you
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Speaker 1: have to ask yourself here, why would Brian Koberger leave
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Speaker 1: somebody alive, a surviving witness? If Brian Koberger is the
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Speaker 1: man the government tells us he is, and he just
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Speaker 1: got done murdering four other people, why would he leave
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Speaker 1: this roommate alive? Well, there's a few reasons. He could
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Speaker 1: have been caught up in the bloodlust and had tunnel
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Speaker 1: vision and didn't even sear. He could have been tired
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Speaker 1: from committing those murders. It can't be easy to stab
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Speaker 1: four people to death. That has to take a lot
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Speaker 1: of work. Or maybe the other roommate just wasn't part
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Speaker 1: of the plan. The police were not called to the
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Speaker 1: off-campus house for another eight hours. Authorities believe the four
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Speaker 1: students were killed sometime between 4 a.m. and 4.25 a.m. Kohlberger, 28,
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Speaker 1: was arrested in December at his parents' home in Albrightville, Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 1: and charged in the murders of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. Their two other roommates, Mortensen
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Speaker 1: and 21-year-old Bethany Funk, were home at the time of
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Speaker 1: their killings. While it remains unclear why it took eight
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Speaker 1: hours for the two surviving roommates to call the police,
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Speaker 1: The former FBI agent, Jennifer Kofendaffer, speculated Mortensen may have
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Speaker 1: been paralyzed with fear after seeing an unknown man wearing
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Speaker 1: all black and a mask inside her home late at night. Well,
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Speaker 1: that was all fine and well until we heard from
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Speaker 1: this source, because it doesn't seem like from what this
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Speaker 1: source is saying that she was terrified of this man.
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Speaker 1: In fact, she was thinking or under the impression at
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Speaker 1: the time that he was just another party goer who
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Speaker 1: was upstairs with her roommates getting it in. So both
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Speaker 1: of these scenarios can't be right. It's either she was
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Speaker 1: terrified of this dude, or she thought these guys were
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Speaker 1: partying still, and this was just another person leaving the party.
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Speaker 1: And the second explanation, that her thinking that this was
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Speaker 1: just somebody who was leaving the house from a party,
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Speaker 1: seems to be the most logical to me. Coffendaffer suggested
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Speaker 1: Mortensen may have passed out due to stress or fear
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Speaker 1: after coming face-to-face with Kohlberger. Well, if he was just
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Speaker 1: a reveler, why would she be in fear of him?
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Speaker 1: Why would she be scared? If she didn't know what
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Speaker 1: was going on upstairs, why would she be scared of
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Speaker 1: the man she saw in the hallway, considering so many
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Speaker 1: people are in and out of this house? You see,
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Speaker 1: there's not enough context here, or enough clarity for me.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk DM. 21, late, possibly under the influence, face-to-face
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Speaker 1: with stranger in black, feet away, froze due to fear,
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Speaker 1: locked herself in bedroom. I believe DM passed out from trauma, fear,
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Speaker 1: or stress. To think you could be killed is gripping.
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Speaker 1: I know. Look, I get it, and that might be possible.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that didn't occur because I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem like the most likely scenario if
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Speaker 1: we're going to believe this source. And remember, all of
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Speaker 1: that is dependent on this source being correct. Because if
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Speaker 1: this source isn't correct, well, right back to square one.
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Speaker 1: But if this source is correct, and she thought that
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Speaker 1: these were partiers, then the whole scenario of her being
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Speaker 1: gripped by fear just doesn't track. And obviously, for me anyway,
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Speaker 1: the only other option is she was hammered, whether it
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Speaker 1: be on drugs or booze, whatever. That would be the
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Speaker 1: only other explanation for why you would look at what
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Speaker 1: went on here, go back in your room, and then
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Speaker 1: pass out for all of those hours. I highly doubt
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Speaker 1: that trauma is going to do that for you for
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Speaker 1: nine hours. Coffendaffer also posted an article from Medical News
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Speaker 1: Today that explains the fight, flight, or freeze response and
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Speaker 1: how it exists to keep people safe, preparing them to face, escape,
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Speaker 1: or hide from danger. And that's all true. But that's
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Speaker 1: all dependent on her knowing that her roommates were murdered.
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Speaker 1: Why would she be scared of this man if she
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Speaker 1: didn't know what happened upstairs? So that has to be
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Speaker 1: explained first if we're going to get to the point
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Speaker 1: of trauma right because according to this source there wasn't
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Speaker 1: any of that at least at this point it was
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Speaker 1: her mistaken what was going on according to this source
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Speaker 1: remember and thinking that there was a party that was
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Speaker 1: causing all of this noise Meanwhile, it was really her
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Speaker 1: roommates being brutally murdered by, allegedly, Brian Koberger. According to
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Speaker 1: the article, while a person who is frozen in fear
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Speaker 1: is unable to take action against the danger, they are
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Speaker 1: extremely alert. Another potential reaction is tonic immobility or flop,
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Speaker 1: which involves becoming completely or physically unresponsive and may even
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Speaker 1: involve fainting. See, I don't think any of that happened,
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Speaker 1: to be honest with you. She didn't see anything that
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Speaker 1: traumatic right away, right? At least according to what we're
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Speaker 1: hearing here, she thought there was a party going on.
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Speaker 1: She didn't know that her roommates were murdered. So how
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Speaker 1: could that trauma be kicked in already? An Idaho law
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Speaker 1: enforcement source told the Post the delay in notifying authorities
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Speaker 1: was something that puzzled investigators who weren't sure if it
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Speaker 1: was an issue of intoxication or of fear. Well, my
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Speaker 1: opinion is that it had more to do with intoxication
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Speaker 1: than it had to do with fear. Now, the next
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Speaker 1: morning when they woke up and saw what happened, that's
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Speaker 1: a whole different ballgame. But I'm guessing here that this
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Speaker 1: 21-year-old kid was out partying, was drunk or whatever, and
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Speaker 1: heard this commotion, thought it was a regular old night
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Speaker 1: at the house, people partying, having fun, and she's trying
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Speaker 1: to sleep. So she yells out of the room, hey,
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Speaker 1: calm down, guys. I'm trying to get some sleep here.
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Speaker 1: The commotion continues. She doesn't fall asleep yet. She runs
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Speaker 1: into Brian Koberger after these murders. And according to this source,
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Speaker 1: she thinks he's just another party goer. So in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: that is way more logical than thinking that she thought
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Speaker 1: that these kids were murdered upstairs and just went into
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Speaker 1: her room and locked the door and went to sleep.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense to me. It never has.
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Speaker 1: And with this source adding a little more clarity, that
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Speaker 1: kind of clears it up a little bit, at least
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Speaker 1: in my opinion. Now, it doesn't give us all of
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Speaker 1: the answers that we're seeking, but it would make a
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Speaker 1: lot more sense if she was inebriated and just had
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Speaker 1: no idea what was going on, as opposed to her
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Speaker 1: knowing what was going on and being stuck in a
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Speaker 1: catatonic state. And not for just a little while, not
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Speaker 1: for an hour, not for two hours, but for over
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Speaker 1: eight hours. I just find that whole narrative very hard
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Speaker 1: to swallow. So it's going to be interesting to see
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Speaker 1: what we learn going forward here, and I'm sure we're
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Speaker 1: going to learn a lot. she's going to be called
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Speaker 1: as a witness without a doubt. And you know that
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's legal team is going to try and trip
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Speaker 1: her up on that cross-examination. So like usual, folks, the
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Speaker 1: twists and turns keep on coming as this story continues
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Speaker 1: to evolve. All right, everybody, that's going to do it
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Speaker 1: for this one. All of the information that goes with
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Speaker 1: the episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. One of the biggest
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Speaker 1: mysteries when we're talking about the murders in Moscow has
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Speaker 1: to do with the surviving roommates. Whether it's the 911
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Speaker 1: call that wasn't made to Dylan Mortensen having a run-in
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Speaker 1: with our alleged killer. And I don't think it's breaking
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Speaker 1: news to let you all know that there's a bunch
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Speaker 1: of questions that still need to be answered when it
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Speaker 1: comes to these interactions. But as I've said previously, I
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Speaker 1: believe that we're going to get more clarification as things
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Speaker 1: move forward. But with the tight lid that the prosecution
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Speaker 1: has been keeping on this case since the very beginning,
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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to glean one way or the other
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Speaker 1: what they're truly up to behind the scenes. But I'd
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Speaker 1: be very, very surprised If they don't have a whole
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Speaker 1: lot more information from the roommates, then we're privy to.
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Speaker 1: That's how this usually works, right? We don't get all
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Speaker 1: of the information as the public. In fact, we hardly
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Speaker 1: get any of it. Then you add that good old
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Speaker 1: gag order to the mix, and you got yourself a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of secrecy. So nobody really knows, besides what
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Speaker 1: we saw in the affidavit, what the roommates saw or
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Speaker 1: what went down from their perspectives. And unfortunately, like all
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Speaker 1: the other information basically in this case, we're not going
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Speaker 1: to get any kind of clarity or clarification until the trial.
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Speaker 1: Once they give their testimony, I'm guessing a whole lot
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Speaker 1: of this is going to become a lot more clear.
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Speaker 1: Because there's no doubt that the prosecution is going to
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Speaker 1: have to explain what happened that morning. They're going to
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Speaker 1: have to explain about the roommate allegedly running in to
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger, allegedly. They're going to have to explain all
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Speaker 1: of it. So does it sound likely to you that
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Speaker 1: the prosecution isn't aware of that fact? Does it sound
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Speaker 1: likely that they haven't prepared for that eventuality? I would
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Speaker 1: think that they're well prepared for it. And not only that,
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Speaker 1: that they're chomping at the bit to present their case.
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Speaker 1: Considering the evidence we've seen, if you were the prosecutor...
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Speaker 1: Would you be confident in what you had? And I'm
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Speaker 1: just talking about what we've seen publicly. Who the hell
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Speaker 1: knows what they have behind the scenes? Who the hell
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Speaker 1: knows if his phone connected to the router at the
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Speaker 1: house at King Road at some point? So again, there's
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Speaker 1: just a lot we don't know. So that's why I
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Speaker 1: always talk about leaving some headroom for shit to go south.
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Speaker 1: We just have no clue really what's going on behind
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Speaker 1: the scenes. And we know from the court documents that many,
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Speaker 1: many exhibits have been filed under seal. So we know
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Speaker 1: the existence of the request for discovery, but we don't
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Speaker 1: know what's in that discovery per se. And not being
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Speaker 1: armed with that information, you can't really come out here
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Speaker 1: and say with certainty one way or the other what's
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Speaker 1: going to happen. All we can do is speculate on
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Speaker 1: the information that's already available to the public. So in
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Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to talk a little bit more
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Speaker 1: about what Bethany Funk and Dylan Mortensen told the police
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Speaker 1: about the murders in Idaho. And to do that, we
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Speaker 1: have an article from Newsweek. Headline, what Bethany Funk, Dylan
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Speaker 1: Mortensen told police about the Idaho murders. The author of
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Speaker 1: this article is Anna Skinner. One year has passed since
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Speaker 1: the horrific Idaho murders. and in that time, two surviving
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Speaker 1: roommates have provided a glimpse into what happened before and
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Speaker 1: shortly after the gruesome murders. Bethany Funk and Dylan Mortensen
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Speaker 1: survived the November 13, 2022 slayings of their roommates, Kaylee Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, at their rental house in Moscow, Idaho,
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Speaker 1: and Kernodle's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, was also killed. An arrest
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Speaker 1: was made over a month later, on December 30, Brian Koberger, 28,
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Speaker 1: who was at the time a doctoral candidate at Washington
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Speaker 1: State University in nearby Pullman, was charged with four counts
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Speaker 1: of first-degree murder and one count of felony burglary. Koberger
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Speaker 1: stood silent during his arraignment, meaning he didn't plead guilty
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Speaker 1: or not guilty, requiring the judge to enter a not
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Speaker 1: guilty plea on his behalf. A lawyer who previously represented
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Speaker 1: Koberger said he is eager to be exonerated. Koberger has
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Speaker 1: been held in jail since his extradition to Idaho in
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Speaker 1: early January. Well, hopefully he enjoys his accommodations because I
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Speaker 1: don't see them changing anytime soon. I mean, he'll leave
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Speaker 1: the lockup and go to a, you know, prison, a
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Speaker 1: state prison. But besides that, I have a hard time
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Speaker 1: seeing any scenario here where Brian Koberger ends up a
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Speaker 1: free man when this is all said and done. In
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Speaker 1: the years since the killings, the surviving roommates, have both
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Speaker 1: revealed information about what happened in the early morning hours
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Speaker 1: of November 13th of 2022. What Bethany Funk has revealed.
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Speaker 1: Funk was staying in the basement of the house at
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Speaker 1: the time of the murders and allegedly didn't witness the
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Speaker 1: horrors bestowed upon her roommates. Now remember, when this first happened,
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Speaker 1: we heard that both roommates were in the basement. Well,
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Speaker 1: we know that that's not the truth now, and we
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Speaker 1: know that Dylan Mortensen was not in a room that's
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Speaker 1: in the basement. According to a probable cause affidavit, both
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Speaker 1: Funk and Mortensen were inside the King Road residence at
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Speaker 1: the time of the homicides and were roommates to the victims.
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Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about survivor's guilt before, but
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Speaker 1: can you imagine how these girls feel? And not only that,
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Speaker 1: but what about their parents? To know that the roommates
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Speaker 1: were murdered in the manner that they were and your
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Speaker 1: daughter was able to survive? Talk about by the grace
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Speaker 1: of God. And if I wasn't a religious person after
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Speaker 1: something like that happened, I might be because it's basically
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Speaker 1: a miracle. You have somebody who just murdered four people.
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Speaker 1: They come face to face with Dylan Mortensen and she
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Speaker 1: ends up being okay. She doesn't get hurt. That is
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Speaker 1: basically a miracle in my opinion because Brian Kohlberger allegedly
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Speaker 1: has already showed us that he's capable of great evil.
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Speaker 1: And honestly, I think that the whole reason that she
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Speaker 1: ended up surviving is simply because Brian Koberger was spent already.
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Speaker 1: He just killed four people, and we're not talking about
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Speaker 1: with a gun. It's pretty labor-intensive to kill four people
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Speaker 1: with a knife, right? I'm sure some of you out
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Speaker 1: there have, you know, butchered meat before, cut up ribs
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Speaker 1: or whatever. Not very easy to do, and you get
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Speaker 1: tired if you do it for too long. Now imagine
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Speaker 1: all the adrenaline going through you, doing something like what
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Speaker 1: this disgusting bastard did, and then on the way out,
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Speaker 1: as his adrenaline's dumping, he runs into Dylan. And thankfully,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, by that time, he was spent physically,
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Speaker 1: and he'd had nothing left in him to try and
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Speaker 1: kill somebody else, and he knew it was time to
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Speaker 1: try and get away. Funk had also seen Chapin and
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Speaker 1: Kernodle at a fraternity house for several hours late November
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Speaker 1: 12th into the early morning hours of November 13th, and
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Speaker 1: when we were first learning about what happened, I thought
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Speaker 1: that maybe there could have been a problem at the
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Speaker 1: frat house. Did they run into some kind of beef
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Speaker 1: with somebody? Did Ethan maybe get into a fight? But
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Speaker 1: now we know that none of that happened. And we
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Speaker 1: know that these kids were minding their own business. They
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Speaker 1: were hanging out at their home and they were brutally murdered.
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Speaker 1: All of the other stuff in between, well, we don't
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Speaker 1: have that all figured out yet. But we do know
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Speaker 1: that these kids were minding their own business and were
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Speaker 1: brutally targeted and slaughtered by who the government tells us
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Speaker 1: is Brian Kohlberger. Funk met with Kohlberger's defense team earlier
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Speaker 1: this year in Nevada after the lawyers attempted to subpoena
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Speaker 1: Funk to attend a preliminary hearing in Idaho to testify
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Speaker 1: as she had information unique to her that was exculpatory
20:50
Speaker 1: to the defendant. So they tried to say that she
20:53
Speaker 1: had exculpatory evidence that would help Brian Kohlberger out. I
20:58
Speaker 1: have my doubts about all of it. And I guess
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Speaker 1: we'll see who's right come trial time. Funk told police
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Speaker 1: that Chapin and Kernodle returned home about 1.45 a.m. She
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Speaker 1: also told police that Chapin didn't live at the house
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Speaker 1: and that their other roommates returned home at around 2 a.m.
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Speaker 1: and were asleep or in their rooms by 4 a.m.
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Speaker 1: So Bethany's testimony isn't going to be as pivotal for
21:25
Speaker 1: the prosecution or for the defense. But considering she's one
21:29
Speaker 1: of two survivors from that house, of course, her testimony
21:33
Speaker 1: is going to be heard. How helpful that's going to
21:35
Speaker 1: be to either side, well, that's to be determined. What
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Speaker 1: Dylan Mortensen Revealed Mortensen has told police the most descriptive
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Speaker 1: information since she encountered the suspected killer on his way
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Speaker 1: out of the house. Mortensen opened her bedroom door on
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Speaker 1: the second floor of the house several times shortly after
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Speaker 1: 4 a.m. Mortensen told police that she was awoken by
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Speaker 1: what she thought was Gonsalves playing with her dog in
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Speaker 1: one of the third floor bedrooms. Later on, Mortensen said
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Speaker 1: she thought she heard Gonsalves say something along the lines of,
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Speaker 1: there's someone here. Mortensen peeked out of her bedroom again
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Speaker 1: when she thought she heard crying from Kernodle's room and
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Speaker 1: a male voice saying something sounding like, it's okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to help you. Now that might be crucial. Considering
22:23
Speaker 1: the voice, And if she can remember that voice and
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Speaker 1: tie it to Brian Koberger, that's going to be very
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Speaker 1: beneficial for the prosecutors to go along with the other
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Speaker 1: testimony that Dylan's going to give them. The question is,
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Speaker 1: will she be able to pin that voice to Brian
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Speaker 1: Koberger come trial time? When Mortensen opened the door a
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Speaker 1: third time, she saw a male figure clad in black
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Speaker 1: clothing and wearing a mask over his mouth and nose.
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Speaker 1: Mortensen told police that she stood in a frozen shock
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Speaker 1: phase as the figure walked past her and out the
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Speaker 1: sliding door that allowed access to the second and third
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Speaker 1: floor bedrooms. She described the man as having bushy eyebrows.
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Speaker 1: Mortensen also told investigators that she heard Gonsalves' dog barking
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Speaker 1: throughout the night. So look, there's a lot here. And
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Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind that Kohlberger's team
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Speaker 1: is going to go after the fact that 911 wasn't called.
23:17
Speaker 1: We've already seen indications of it. And look, that's a
23:20
Speaker 1: legitimate line of questioning from the defense. There has to
23:24
Speaker 1: be some context here. There has to be an explanation.
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Speaker 1: And my guess is there is, but we're just not
23:30
Speaker 1: privy to it yet. Former FBI agent Jennifer Coffendaffer told
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Speaker 1: Newsweek that Mortensen's information was important to the investigation. She
23:39
Speaker 1: gives us insight as to the girls, meaning Maddie and Kaylee,
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Speaker 1: being killed first and then Zanna and Ethan later. Coffendaffer added,
23:48
Speaker 1: It makes it clear from her timeline and the reflections
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Speaker 1: of what she shared and, of course, what she saw.
23:55
Speaker 1: Coffendaffer said Mortensen's eyewitness account to the suspect also alerted
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Speaker 1: investigators that there was one male perpetrator. So in the beginning,
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Speaker 1: we were talking like there could have been multiple people
24:07
Speaker 1: because we didn't know, right? The police weren't giving us
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Speaker 1: any real information until a little bit later on and
24:14
Speaker 1: the information that we were getting was a bit scatterbrained.
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Speaker 1: So there was a chance that it was multiple people.
24:21
Speaker 1: But we know now, as things have progressed, that it
24:24
Speaker 1: was indeed just one person. And one of the ways
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Speaker 1: that we know that is because of the testimony given
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Speaker 1: by Dylan. Mortensen dialed down all those questions, one perpetrator,
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Speaker 1: one male perpetrator, and gave a general description matching Brian Koberger.
24:40
Speaker 1: Koffendaffer said, Koberger's trial has been delayed and it is
24:45
Speaker 1: unclear when it will start. I've said next summer, and
24:48
Speaker 1: I stick to that. I think that we're going to
24:50
Speaker 1: see this trial kick off sometime next summer. Whether it's
24:53
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the summer or the end, I
24:56
Speaker 1: think that's when we're going to see things get truly underway.
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Speaker 1: But until then, we're going to be here every step
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Speaker 1: of the way, documenting and cataloging everything that goes down
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Speaker 1: as the state of Idaho brings its case against Brian Koberger.
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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Recently
25:39
Speaker 1: we were talking about a new book coming out by
25:42
Speaker 1: an author named J. Reuben Appelman. Well, he gave some
25:47
Speaker 1: more details about his book and not only his book,
25:51
Speaker 1: about his conversation with Dylan Mortensen's father. And according to
25:55
Speaker 1: Dylan Mortensen's father, she has been a victim of cyberbullying
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Speaker 1: since this event occurred. Now, of course, people have questions
26:04
Speaker 1: about the 911 call and why it wasn't made sooner.
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Speaker 1: But there's people out there that actually believe that this
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Speaker 1: young lady had something to do with the murders. Like
26:15
Speaker 1: she was an accomplice. She was involved. You know, the
26:18
Speaker 1: whole thing. And all you have to do is look
26:20
Speaker 1: at the comment section of this article and you can
26:23
Speaker 1: see some of the vile stuff people say. And it's
26:26
Speaker 1: easy for people to say what they would or wouldn't
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Speaker 1: do when they're not in a situation. But unless you
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Speaker 1: have walked in this girl's shoes, how do you know
26:33
Speaker 1: what you would do? How do you know how you
26:35
Speaker 1: would react? And most of the people making those comments,
26:39
Speaker 1: let's be real, have never been in any situation that
26:43
Speaker 1: would be considered life and death. So it always cracks
26:46
Speaker 1: me up when you have all of these tools populating
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Speaker 1: the comment section of these articles. Yeah, everybody's an expert.
26:52
Speaker 1: We get it. You all know exactly what went down.
26:55
Speaker 1: You were all there. And the funniest part is, most
26:59
Speaker 1: of these people who act like they know what's going
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Speaker 1: on have no idea. They haven't even read the whole
27:04
Speaker 1: entire affidavit. And look, I'm not saying that there aren't
27:07
Speaker 1: legitimate questions surrounding the 911 call and why it was
27:11
Speaker 1: not made. But to bully this young lady, who's already
27:15
Speaker 1: been through a traumatic experience, seems like the definition of
27:19
Speaker 1: piling on to me. And people who are focused on
27:21
Speaker 1: being mad at Dylan Mortensen, I think that their rage
27:25
Speaker 1: is a bit misplaced. You want to be mad at somebody?
27:28
Speaker 1: Be mad at Brian Koberger. Today's article is from the
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Speaker 1: Daily Mail and the headline. Idaho murder victim's roommate, Dylan Mortensen,
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Speaker 1: is isolating herself but healing by gaming online with groups
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Speaker 1: of friends. As her father says, he is deeply heartbroken
27:45
Speaker 1: by her brutal cyber bullies. Like, for real? People don't
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Speaker 1: have anything else to do with their time? You're going
27:51
Speaker 1: to sit on the internet and bully this girl? Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: Dylan Mortensen, she was part of it. She's part of
27:57
Speaker 1: the drug cartel in Mexico. Oh, this was over a
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Speaker 1: drug debt. Oh, she didn't call 911, she must be
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Speaker 1: part of it. And so on and so on. People
28:07
Speaker 1: are just ridiculous, honestly. When you really get down to it,
28:11
Speaker 1: social media especially is filled with a bunch of weirdos.
28:15
Speaker 1: I mean, have you taken a look at the cesspool
28:17
Speaker 1: that Twitter has become? Or shall we call it X?
28:21
Speaker 1: It was bad enough as it was. But now just
28:24
Speaker 1: go and take a look at the Twitter page or
28:27
Speaker 1: X page, I guess I should say, of that reporter
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Speaker 1: from Philadelphia who was just murdered in his home. You
28:33
Speaker 1: have a bunch of people going to this dude's page
28:36
Speaker 1: and like taking joy in it because he was a
28:39
Speaker 1: social justice warrior or whatever. Now, look, I might not
28:43
Speaker 1: prescribe to that kind of thinking, but I don't want
28:46
Speaker 1: to see anybody get gunned down in their home. Have
28:49
Speaker 1: we really devolved to that point? where we're that desensitized
28:53
Speaker 1: that we're cheering when people get gunned down in their home?
28:56
Speaker 1: And why? Because they have a different political belief system
28:59
Speaker 1: than we do? So when you see that kind of
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Speaker 1: behavior on the internet, should it be a shock to
29:03
Speaker 1: you that you have people out here that think it's
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Speaker 1: a good idea to bully someone like Dylan Mortensen? This
29:10
Speaker 1: article was authored by Noah Half. A surviving roommate of
29:15
Speaker 1: the Idaho murder victims, Dylan Mortensen, is reportedly isolating herself
29:20
Speaker 1: after experiencing brutal dogpiling on social media since the quadruple
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Speaker 1: homicide in November. New details have emerged about the well-being
29:29
Speaker 1: of the 21-year-old roommate who was in the house on
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Speaker 1: the night of the brutal massacre and told police she
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Speaker 1: witnessed a man walk past her bedroom after he had
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Speaker 1: killed her friend. Author and private investigator J. Reuben Appelman
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Speaker 1: is the only reporter to speak with the father of Mortensen,
29:48
Speaker 1: one of only two survivors from the university murder house.
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Speaker 1: And not for nothing, why would you want to speak
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Speaker 1: to the media under these circumstances? Your daughter has already
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Speaker 1: been through this traumatic experience. People are bullying her online.
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Speaker 1: The last thing you want to do is talk to
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Speaker 1: some reporter and give them more fuel for the fire.
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Speaker 1: So I could understand why the father of Dylan Mortensen
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Speaker 1: has been hesitant to talk to the media. In the
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Speaker 1: beginning weeks after those homicides, she was basically dogpiled on
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Speaker 1: social media. He said in an interview with Ashley Banfield
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Speaker 1: to discuss his new book while Idaho slept. Vile web
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Speaker 1: sleuths had accused Mortensen of being involved with the crimes,
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Speaker 1: while others called her a drug dealer, among other names,
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Speaker 1: he added. Now look, legitimate questions about the 911 call,
30:39
Speaker 1: or the lack thereof, that's a legitimate route to go
30:42
Speaker 1: to try and figure out what happened. But to try
30:46
Speaker 1: and frame this young woman as somebody who was involved
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Speaker 1: in these crimes, somebody who was involved in these murders,
30:53
Speaker 1: it's just beyond the pale. Let's not forget that the
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Speaker 1: people that were murdered, they were her friends. They weren't
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Speaker 1: just some random roommates that she was staying with at
31:02
Speaker 1: some hostel. These were her friends that were murdered. And
31:07
Speaker 1: people should have a little bit of compassion about that.
31:09
Speaker 1: But on social media, the loudest voice wins and the
31:12
Speaker 1: most bombastic bullshit gets the most likes. This was part
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Speaker 1: of the trauma that she experienced, he said. Dylan herself
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Speaker 1: has retreated from the public eye. Very few people see her.
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Speaker 1: Mortensen's father expressed heartache over his daughter suffering from brutal
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Speaker 1: cyberbullies after the trauma she experienced from surviving the November massacre.
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Speaker 1: But Mortensen's father told Appelman that his daughter is in
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Speaker 1: the process of healing despite being hounded by bullies. She
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Speaker 1: is in trauma therapy of sorts. She's getting help from
31:47
Speaker 1: the spiritual community, he said to Banfield, isolating herself, but
31:52
Speaker 1: She is stepping out a little at a time. She
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Speaker 1: is gaming online with peers in a group gaming session.
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Speaker 1: She's doing what she can without going into public, he added.
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Speaker 1: Mortensen and Bethany Funk, also 19, both survived the November
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Speaker 1: 13th bloodbath, but lost three of their roommates, Kaylee Gonsalves
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Speaker 1: and Madison Mogan, 21, and Zanna Kernodle, 20, in the
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Speaker 1: vicious attack. Zanna's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, was also murdered. Brian Kohlberger, 28,
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Speaker 1: a Ph.D. student at Washington State University, was charged with
32:25
Speaker 1: the four murders and a charge of burglary, and Idaho
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Speaker 1: is a death penalty state. Initial details released from the
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Speaker 1: affidavit in January said that Mortensen opened her door to
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Speaker 1: find a man clad in black clothing and a mask
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Speaker 1: with bushy eyebrows. In the affidavit, police described how Mortensen
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Speaker 1: froze in fear early on November 13th after spotting the
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Speaker 1: killer having opened her bedroom door after hearing noises in
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Speaker 1: the six-bedroom rental home. The witnesses described the standing in
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Speaker 1: a frozen shock phase as the man walked toward the
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Speaker 1: house's back door before she locked herself in her room.
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Speaker 1: She had opened the door twice before, once after hearing
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Speaker 1: Kaylee say someone was in the house, and again after
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Speaker 1: the sound of crying came from Zanna's bedroom. The teen
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Speaker 1: told police she had locked herself in her second floor
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Speaker 1: bedroom after the encounter with the killer, who was wearing
33:22
Speaker 1: a ski mask at the time, but didn't dial 911.
33:26
Speaker 1: Police weren't called to the scene until 11.58 a.m., seven
33:31
Speaker 1: and a half hours after the students died. So that
33:34
Speaker 1: is certainly a question that should be asked. Why was
33:39
Speaker 1: there a delay in calling 911? And while we might
33:42
Speaker 1: not have a fully fleshed out answer, you better believe
33:45
Speaker 1: the investigators do. What, you think they haven't fully fleshed
33:49
Speaker 1: this out? They don't have the 911 call recorded? Of
33:52
Speaker 1: course they do. So if Dylan Mortensen was involved in
33:56
Speaker 1: this in any regard, don't you think the investigators would
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Speaker 1: have charged her? My guess is both of these roommates
34:03
Speaker 1: were highly scrutinized in the aftermath of this. Funk is
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Speaker 1: believed to have slept through the attack in her ground
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Speaker 1: floor bedroom. According to the affidavit, Mortensen said she was
34:14
Speaker 1: awoken at around 4 a.m. by what sounded like Gonsalves
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Speaker 1: playing with her dog in a third floor bedroom. A
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Speaker 1: short time later, she heard Gonsalves say, there's someone here.
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Speaker 1: The haunting affidavit reveals Mortensen looked out of her bedroom
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Speaker 1: door but didn't see anything. The second time she opened
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Speaker 1: her door, she heard a male voice say something like,
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Speaker 1: it's okay, I'm going to help you. At 4.17 a.m.,
34:40
Speaker 1: a neighbor's security camera picked up audio of what sounded
34:43
Speaker 1: like voices or a whimper, followed by a loud thud.
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Speaker 1: A dog can also be heard barking numerous times. Mortensen
34:52
Speaker 1: stated she opened the door for the third time after
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Speaker 1: she heard the crying and saw a figure clad in
34:58
Speaker 1: black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth
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Speaker 1: and nose walking towards her. So this is where people
35:05
Speaker 1: have a big issue, right? Why didn't she call 911?
35:09
Speaker 1: Why didn't she do anything? Why didn't she try and help? Well,
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Speaker 1: like Shannon Gray said, who is the lawyer for the
35:15
Speaker 1: Gonsalves family, this poor girl was probably scared to death.
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Speaker 1: Family of victim Kaylee Gonsalves have defended Mortensen's actions. Attorney
35:24
Speaker 1: Shannon Gray, who is representing the Gonsalves family, said Mortensen
35:28
Speaker 1: was likely scared to death when she encountered the man
35:32
Speaker 1: and insisted that she was still a victim in this case.
35:36
Speaker 1: So the Gonsalves family, who has been critical of just
35:39
Speaker 1: about everything in the case, they're not being critical of
35:43
Speaker 1: what Mortensen did. So I don't know why any of
35:45
Speaker 1: the rest of us would be. Now, that doesn't mean, again,
35:48
Speaker 1: that we can't have questions. Of course, there's legitimate questions
35:52
Speaker 1: about what happened, especially surrounding that 911 call. It is
35:57
Speaker 1: certainly a mystery. But to take the leap and say
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Speaker 1: that Dylan Mortensen was involved in the crimes, with all
36:03
Speaker 1: due respect, Stop smoking toad venom. In his interview, Appelman
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Speaker 1: also described meeting with a childhood friend of Kohlberger who
36:11
Speaker 1: said the alleged murderer was mercilessly and relentlessly bullied in
36:16
Speaker 1: high school to the point that he had to listen
36:18
Speaker 1: to screamo music through earbuds to block out the taunting.
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Speaker 1: It's always the same story when someone snaps and starts
36:24
Speaker 1: murdering people, right? Oh, they were bullied. They were picked on. Well,
36:29
Speaker 1: how many people that were bullied and picked on don't
36:31
Speaker 1: go on to become quadruple murderers? The vast majority. So
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Speaker 1: that's no excuse. The friend reportedly rode the bus with
36:39
Speaker 1: him to school every day. The young woman had told
36:42
Speaker 1: me that she wished not to be named, but she
36:45
Speaker 1: also told me quite a bit about him, he said
36:47
Speaker 1: to Banfield. She said that he was bullied almost constantly
36:52
Speaker 1: as a junior high student, as was she. They were
36:55
Speaker 1: both nerds who didn't fit in, she said. They were
36:58
Speaker 1: very close and they sat together on the bus almost
37:02
Speaker 1: every day. Kohlberger, she said, listened to music in his
37:05
Speaker 1: earbuds to block out the bullying, to block out the
37:08
Speaker 1: sort of chaos and the darkness of the time period
37:11
Speaker 1: that he was living through. He added, oh, poor Brian Kohlberger.
37:16
Speaker 1: So because he was bullied, we should be more understanding
37:19
Speaker 1: as to why he would do something like this. Yeah,
37:21
Speaker 1: you can miss me with that. She said the administration
37:25
Speaker 1: of their schools did nothing about the bullying at the time.
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger would walk around the halls listening to screamo music
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Speaker 1: and at times hip-hop and rap. Appelman, who is a
37:36
Speaker 1: 25-year Idaho resident, was the first reporter Mortensen's father agreed
37:41
Speaker 1: to speak with. He lives just a couple of miles
37:44
Speaker 1: from the Mortensen residence, which he said may have given
37:47
Speaker 1: him an in. When I went to speak to her father,
37:51
Speaker 1: you know, I was just able to walk up to
37:53
Speaker 1: his house. Many national news correspondents had tried the same thing,
37:57
Speaker 1: Appelman told Banfield. they hadn't gotten very far. He's a
38:01
Speaker 1: rather large, intimidating man. I don't know if that's part
38:04
Speaker 1: of the reason why, why national correspondents couldn't sort of
38:08
Speaker 1: break that wall and talk to him. Or maybe he
38:11
Speaker 1: just didn't want to talk. Pretty simple, right? I highly
38:14
Speaker 1: doubt I'd want to talk to the legacy media if
38:17
Speaker 1: my daughter was just involved in something like this. On
38:21
Speaker 1: why Appleman was the first correspondent, Mortensen's father agreed to
38:25
Speaker 1: speak with. He said, I don't know if I caught
38:28
Speaker 1: him on the right day or what, but he hadn't
38:30
Speaker 1: spoke to anybody else. He had turned down the New
38:33
Speaker 1: York Times. I had Idaho plates on my car. Maybe
38:36
Speaker 1: that had something to do with it. I've lived here
38:39
Speaker 1: for 25 years, almost. I live just a couple of
38:42
Speaker 1: miles from Dylan Mortensen, actually, and a couple of miles
38:46
Speaker 1: in the other direction from her father, he added. I
38:49
Speaker 1: was able to pull up to his house. He answered
38:51
Speaker 1: the door. I told him, as an Idaho guy researching
38:54
Speaker 1: this book, and I don't know if I caught him
38:57
Speaker 1: on the right day or what, but he hadn't spoken
38:59
Speaker 1: to anybody else. He had a very large dog that
39:02
Speaker 1: was watching me very carefully. And I think Brent Mortensen
39:05
Speaker 1: was watching me very carefully too. He has a lot
39:08
Speaker 1: of reason to distrust reporters. Yeah, I think we all
39:11
Speaker 1: do at this point. But considering what his daughter just
39:14
Speaker 1: went through, and considering all of the attention on this case...
39:18
Speaker 1: There's no doubt that as a father, you want to
39:21
Speaker 1: protect your daughter as much as possible. And keeping her
39:24
Speaker 1: away from the legacy media is certainly a step in
39:26
Speaker 1: the right direction. All right, folks, that's going to do
39:29
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39:42
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39:47
Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Most
39:53
Speaker 1: of the evidence that has been collected against Brian Koberger
39:57
Speaker 1: that the public knows about anyway has been of a
40:00
Speaker 1: circumstantial nature. But the totality of that circumstantial evidence is
40:06
Speaker 1: looming very large right now as far as the trial goes.
40:10
Speaker 1: And when you go through those court documents the way
40:13
Speaker 1: we have been going through them, it's rather obvious what
40:17
Speaker 1: the prosecution is trying to build here. And we knew
40:21
Speaker 1: right away that they had those 50 warrants that they
40:24
Speaker 1: drew on Brian Koberger. But getting a little bit of
40:27
Speaker 1: a look behind the scenes to what those warrants were
40:31
Speaker 1: and what they were for, it really builds a robust
40:35
Speaker 1: picture of the strategy that the prosecution is going to use.
40:39
Speaker 1: And that strategy is to absolutely bury Brian Koberger under
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Speaker 1: a mountain of evidence. And even though a lot of
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Speaker 1: the evidence, like I said in the opening here a
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Speaker 1: second ago, is circumstantial, when you add it all together
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Speaker 1: and you build on that foundation that it created, well,
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Speaker 1: that's going to lead to a conviction. And we saw
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Speaker 1: the same thing down in South Carolina with Alec Murdoch.
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Speaker 1: A lot of that evidence that was collected was circumstantial.
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Speaker 1: You had all of the data, the GPS, the tower coordinates,
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Speaker 1: all of that stuff That almost mirrors what we're seeing
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Speaker 1: here with Brian Koberger. And while it was the video
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Speaker 1: that Paul took that ended up sinking Alec Murdaugh, the
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Speaker 1: same can happen here with Brian Koberger and the testimony
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Speaker 1: given by the two surviving roommates, especially the testimony given
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Speaker 1: by Bethany Funk. Because when you add that to the
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Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence, well, you get to a point where the
41:39
Speaker 1: jurors are going to have a very hard time ignoring
41:43
Speaker 1: the facts that are right in front of their face.
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Speaker 1: And the more we go through those court documents, the
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Speaker 1: more we hear about the case overall, the more I'm
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Speaker 1: convinced that the government has the right guy. And obviously
41:55
Speaker 1: that can change if Brian Koberger and his defense team
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Speaker 1: end up bringing some receipts to the table that show
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Speaker 1: us otherwise. But as of now, I really don't see
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Speaker 1: any way out for Brian Koberger here. And I think
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Speaker 1: that once this case gets in front of the jury
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Speaker 1: and they start going through all of the facts, I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to take long for them to
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Speaker 1: come to the determination that they got the right guy.
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Speaker 1: But the testimony of Bethany Funk will go a long way.
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Speaker 1: So today we have an article from the U.S. Sun
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Speaker 1: and the headline, Hora Account. Intimate testimony of Idaho murder
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Speaker 1: victim's roommate will have invaluable impact on the jury in
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's trial. This article was authored by Rachel Dobkin.
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Speaker 1: The Idaho murder victim's roommate's testimonies would have an invaluable
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Speaker 1: impact on the jury, revealing intimate details about the four
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Speaker 1: college students if alleged killer Brian Koberger stood trial, a
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Speaker 1: forensic expert says. Well, he's going to stand trial. There's
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Speaker 1: no way that this dude's going to get up there
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Speaker 1: and plead guilty. I just don't see it. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: seem like that kind of guy. And what does he
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Speaker 1: have to gain? Maybe not getting the death penalty, but
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Speaker 1: that's about it. And we know that the death penalty
43:14
Speaker 1: in Utah, they don't administer it all the time. It's
43:17
Speaker 1: not like you're down in Oklahoma or something. So for
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger, what would the motivation be to admit guilt here? Koberger, 28,
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Speaker 1: a former criminology PhD student who maintains his innocence, is
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Speaker 1: in the Latah County Jail with a preliminary hearing scheduled
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Speaker 1: for June 26th of 2023, which will decide if he
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Speaker 1: goes to trial for the brutal stabbings of four University
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Speaker 1: of Idaho students. I would think that the biggest long
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Speaker 1: shot here is this not going to trial, because, again,
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Speaker 1: I just don't see Brian Kohlberger saying to the court,
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Speaker 1: saying to the world, yep, I did this, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to plead guilty, I don't want to put the families
43:59
Speaker 1: through it. He doesn't strike me as the type. Roommates
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Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, and Zanna Kernodle, along with Zanna's boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, were killed in an off-campus home in the
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Speaker 1: early hours of November 13th. Two other roommates, Dylan Mortensen
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Speaker 1: and Bethany Funk, survived the attack, and forensics expert Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan believes they will be invaluable if they give
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Speaker 1: testimony at Koberger's potential trial. Joseph Scott Morgan, a distinguished
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Speaker 1: scholar of applied forensics, at Jacksonville State University, who is
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Speaker 1: not working on the Kohlberger case and has no direct
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Speaker 1: knowledge of the actual investigation, exclusively told the U.S. Sun,
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Speaker 1: I think that they're going to be invaluable. It gives
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Speaker 1: insight into talking about the people that the victims were
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Speaker 1: because they live with them. They knew them probably more
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Speaker 1: intimately than anybody else, he explained. Well, I could get
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Speaker 1: down with that. If you have roommates, then, you know,
44:59
Speaker 1: you know their habits, you know their patterns. You might
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Speaker 1: not know them better than anybody else, but when you
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Speaker 1: live with somebody, you certainly pick up on all of
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Speaker 1: their habits and their behaviors. There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 1: Not only could Mortensen and Funk help the jury understand
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Speaker 1: who the victims were, but they could also potentially reveal
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Speaker 1: any red flags they may have noticed in the time
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Speaker 1: leading up to the murders. And you know that the
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Speaker 1: investigators have looked at every single nook and cranny of
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Speaker 1: Bethany and Dylan's life. especially in the very beginning when
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Speaker 1: they had no idea what had happened here. Everybody had
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Speaker 1: to be a suspect, right? Especially the people who were
45:37
Speaker 1: living there who didn't end up getting killed. So you
45:39
Speaker 1: know that the investigators were digging in and taking a
45:43
Speaker 1: look at everything that these girls had been up to.
45:47
Speaker 1: From an evidentiary standpoint, they're going to be asked, what
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Speaker 1: can you tell us about that day, that evening, or
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Speaker 1: maybe the days preceding, said Morgan, who also hosts the
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Speaker 1: true crime podcast Body Bags. Morgan anticipates the roommates being
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Speaker 1: asked questions like, did you know of any kind of
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Speaker 1: threat to your roommates? Had they said anything in passing?
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Speaker 1: Had any comment been made about the same weird person
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Speaker 1: stalking them? The jury may also identify with the roommate's
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Speaker 1: living situation, which can hold a lot of value, Morgan believes. Yeah,
46:20
Speaker 1: how many people that are going to be on that
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Speaker 1: jury went to college? How many of them lived in
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Speaker 1: a dorm or off college with some roommates? And that's
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons that this story captured so many
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Speaker 1: people's attention, because so many people could relate to living
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Speaker 1: with roommates in college, you know, just being a college kid.
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Speaker 1: So to see something like this happen, it hits home
46:39
Speaker 1: with people who have went through similar college experiences, not
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Speaker 1: with the violence, but the friends, the partying and all
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Speaker 1: of that. They're going to have a lot of value
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of the jury. Because the jury can
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Speaker 1: identify with living under the same roof as somebody, they
46:55
Speaker 1: know what that's like, said Morgan. The forensic expert added
46:59
Speaker 1: that the jury will also know what it's like to
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Speaker 1: divulge things to people in their family situation or home
47:05
Speaker 1: situation that they don't tell anybody else. Well, we all
47:09
Speaker 1: have that, right? Our parents or our loved one or girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, wife,
47:14
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. There's always that person that's your confidant.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of times, when you're younger, it's your roommate, right?
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Speaker 1: And especially when you're college-aged like this. So there's no
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Speaker 1: doubt that the roommates, the surviving roommates, have some critical
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Speaker 1: information about the lives of their roommates and their friends.
47:35
Speaker 1: Then they're going to get into the specifics of the timeline,
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Speaker 1: Morgan said. What happened in those hours? What happened that evening?
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Speaker 1: He went on. Do you recall what was said to
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Speaker 1: you before this person left? Or if that person left?
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Speaker 1: Or did they tell you where they were going? Why
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Speaker 1: weren't you with them? What were you doing that evening?
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Speaker 1: I know certainly the defense will ask those questions, said Morgan.
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Speaker 1: Morgan also laid out some key pieces of evidence that
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Speaker 1: he believes could convince Koberger if he were to stand trial,
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Speaker 1: including the knife sheath that was left at the crime
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Speaker 1: scene and Koberger's car. Oh, there's no doubt that those
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Speaker 1: are key pieces of evidence. We talked about the car
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Speaker 1: yesterday and how it's just chock full with evidence, probably.
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Speaker 1: There's no way that he could have cleaned all of
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Speaker 1: that DNA off of him before getting in that car.
48:23
Speaker 1: So if he's the man that the government's telling us
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Speaker 1: that he is, then my guess is they're going to
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Speaker 1: find some DNA in that car. And if they don't,
48:31
Speaker 1: that could prove a bit troublesome. Frozen shock. Mortensen allegedly
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Speaker 1: told police that she awoke around 4 a.m. on the
48:40
Speaker 1: day of the slayings, took a peek outside of her room,
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Speaker 1: and heard who she thought was Gonsalves say, there's someone there.
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Speaker 1: according to court documents. After peering out of her room
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Speaker 1: a second time, Mortensen believes she heard crying coming from
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Speaker 1: Kernodle's room and a male voice telling her something to
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Speaker 1: the effect of, it's okay, I'm going to help you,
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Speaker 1: court documents say. As Mortensen recalled hearing more screams, she
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Speaker 1: left her room a third time. At that point, she
49:08
Speaker 1: remembered entering a frozen shock phase as a male figure
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Speaker 1: walked past her wearing black clothing, and a mask that
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Speaker 1: covered the person's nose and mouth, according to court documents.
49:20
Speaker 1: she described the figure as an athletically built man, five feet,
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Speaker 1: 10 inches or taller with bushy eyebrows. Court documents say
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Speaker 1: authorities believe Koberger is the man Mortensen remembers from the
49:33
Speaker 1: day of the murders. He was arrested on December 30th,
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Speaker 1: 2022 at his parents' home, in Pennsylvania. So look, with
49:41
Speaker 1: all of the evidence that they have collected, as far
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Speaker 1: as the circumstantial evidence, and whatever the hell they have
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Speaker 1: cooking behind the scenes with DNA, and whatever the hell
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Speaker 1: else other tests these mad scientists have come up with.
49:55
Speaker 1: But when you add all of that up, meaning the
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Speaker 1: scientific steps they're taking, the testing that they're doing, and
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Speaker 1: then the testimony that's going to be given at this
50:03
Speaker 1: trial by the surviving roommates, I really don't see any
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Speaker 1: way out for Brian Koberger. And unless we get a
50:09
Speaker 1: gigantic shock by the defense, I think that once the
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Speaker 1: trial portion starts and the evidence is presented, we're going
50:18
Speaker 1: to see a guilty verdict. And I wouldn't be shocked
50:20
Speaker 1: to see that verdict come back as quickly as the
50:23
Speaker 1: Alec Murdoch verdict. But like always, we have to leave
50:26
Speaker 1: the headroom that something could crack off the other way.
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Speaker 1: So while I'm leaning towards Koberger being guilty, I'm always
50:33
Speaker 1: receptive to new evidence if it's presented. So we'll keep
50:37
Speaker 1: cracking along. We'll keep following along with the case. And
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Speaker 1: as it evolves and new information becomes available, we'll get
50:44
Speaker 1: it added to the catalog. All right, folks, that's going
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