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Patriots Unfitlered 10/18: Previewing the Buffalo Bills and Wednesday Practice Updates · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium. So it's turned the page day, and
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  Speaker 1: I turned the page and I have a nightmare because
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  Speaker 1: it's the Buffalo Bills. That used to be a game
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  Speaker 1: where I would look forward to because it was gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a win. But over the last four.
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  Speaker 5: Years or so, yeah, I think the turntables of.
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  Speaker 6: Tables have turned seven and one the.
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  Speaker 1: Last time we had a chance to beat them, Cam
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  Speaker 1: Newton fumbled, right, yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 6: The win game, O, the win game game.
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  Speaker 1: Get about one right to the wind game?
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  Speaker 6: They actually won that one.
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  Speaker 4: They won that one?
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  Speaker 1: We did we win that one?
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  Speaker 4: That's the one and the one in seven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but this is going to be a tough one.
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  Speaker 5: How did Cam almost do that?
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  Speaker 8: I can have Dresser saying like like, I keep like, wow,
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  Speaker 8: that game was close, and then I remember what the
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  Speaker 8: heck happened.
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  Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, that was the first game out
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  Speaker 4: of the seven and Buffalo still had that thing like
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  Speaker 4: at some point the Jets are going to beat the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots too, maybe it'll be the last game this year.
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  Speaker 4: But like you don't think that that had anything to
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  Speaker 4: do with the Patriots beating the Jets in Week three,
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  Speaker 4: like the fact that they constant Riots. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 4: think that was the first one out of these seven
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  Speaker 4: games that Evan just talked about. Was the Cam Newton
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  Speaker 4: fumble game?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, what was the one that Jonathan Jones like had
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  Speaker 8: had to head contact with him and did did Josh
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  Speaker 8: Allen go out? Was that like nineteen I mean, I
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  Speaker 8: know I was here, but I I don't remember it
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  Speaker 8: was in oh Sea.
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  Speaker 4: I remember that being Yeah, it was in Buffalo. That's
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  Speaker 4: a game that buffleto was probably going to win. If
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  Speaker 4: that didn't happen, I think Matt Barkley had to come in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you might need something like that to happen there.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it shouldn't do shoulder help. He does have a
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  Speaker 6: shoulder in dream.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.
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  Speaker 6: Superman is hurt.
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  Speaker 4: He not run as much this year, No twenty two carries.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they've been trying to to to manage him. I'm
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  Speaker 6: disappointed that Tamara is not here though, because like I
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  Speaker 6: would allow her to tell the story of my love
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  Speaker 6: affair with Josh Allen now, and she's not here to
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  Speaker 6: tell the whole story. So I I just I don't
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  Speaker 6: know if it's going to land the same.
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  Speaker 4: But she's in La.
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  Speaker 5: She's shooting a commercial. I'm sorry, very famous.
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  Speaker 4: What does she do it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, shooting a commercial. Yeah, well, he can't give her
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  Speaker 1: it's not for us, no, no, not for nothing to do.
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  Speaker 5: With side hustle, side hustle, little side fun. She's in
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  Speaker 5: La live.
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  Speaker 4: In the Dream during the season.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so we got we got the bills to
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  Speaker 1: talk about you know, how, you know, how might the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots pull this off? It's you know, I think I
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  Speaker 1: heard it's like, uh nine and a half Underdog Home
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  Speaker 1: Dog right now, eight and a half.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it's hard.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, haven't laid out everything of how they've done recently,
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  Speaker 8: but it's just it's hard to make a case to
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  Speaker 8: yourself and you know, legitimately talk yourself into how the
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  Speaker 8: Patriots could pull it off unless there's you know, something
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  Speaker 8: miraculous happens, whether it's the weather or a Josh Allen
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  Speaker 8: injury or you know something.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you question to the group. The Bills
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  Speaker 1: offense has been sporadic this year. They've had good games
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  Speaker 1: and then correct and so when they have a bad game,
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  Speaker 1: what is the deal?
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  Speaker 8: Clunky at the wrong points, like just making dumb. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: I mean that's always a part of it. But I
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  Speaker 8: think too it's just weird stuff happens. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 8: I think Paul talked about it with the last game,
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  Speaker 8: where you know, get no problem to like the forty,
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  Speaker 8: you know, the plus forty, but then stuff happens.
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  Speaker 5: Guys run into each other, you Knowell, Like.
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  Speaker 4: I watched the Sunday Night game and it was weird
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  Speaker 4: because I never watched and said, wow, the Bill's offense
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  Speaker 4: is really struggling tonight. But then you look up and
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  Speaker 4: they had no points going to the fourth quarter. Now
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  Speaker 4: it's a little deceiving because they only had two possessions
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  Speaker 4: in the second half, really crazy, and they scored touchdowns
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  Speaker 4: on both of them, and then they got the ball
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  Speaker 4: at the end and didn't get the first down because
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  Speaker 4: Dawson Knox dropped that ball. So technically three possessions, but
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  Speaker 4: they had like a ten minute drive for a touchdown
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  Speaker 4: and then got the ball back again and had like
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  Speaker 4: an eight minute drive for a touchdown. And that was
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  Speaker 4: how they got there fourteen points and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: the game is over.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It was just one of those games with very few possessions. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I guess if you could somehow figure out a way
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  Speaker 4: to do that. But the key to that, I thought
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  Speaker 4: for the Giants Sunday night was they were possessing the
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  Speaker 4: ball and the Patriots really haven't shown the ability to
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  Speaker 4: do that. You know. I could see a scenario where
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots, I don't know, maybe they cause a punt
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  Speaker 4: or two.
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  Speaker 9: But.
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  Speaker 6: So optimistic.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they did last game. Yeah, and you had
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  Speaker 4: a chance to win. They caused two punts.
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  Speaker 1: It's just what you say.
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  Speaker 4: But that's like, that's the reality of what we're doing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be like I know, I'm normally
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  Speaker 4: swinging from the hip and being snarky, but I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Just now it's real.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going with, yeah, that's all gone. Now, I gotta
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  Speaker 4: be careful. Now, this is real. Yeah, this is not
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  Speaker 4: what's gonna prevent us from from hosting the AFC Championship
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  Speaker 4: Game anymore? Right, this is real. This is like, what's
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  Speaker 4: gonna prevent you from having the number one overall pick?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Josh Allen. It's it's just his uncanny
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  Speaker 8: ability to make plays even when you've got him cornered.
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  Speaker 8: And I just think that's something that is so tough
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  Speaker 8: with the Patriots pass rush because you have to get
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  Speaker 8: to him, and first you have to disrupt him out
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  Speaker 8: of the pocket.
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  Speaker 5: But then a whole other part of this story begins.
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  Speaker 8: Where it's getting him and you know, holding coverage and
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  Speaker 8: not allowing him to make those throws like he made
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  Speaker 8: last year where he's you know, one foot halfway out
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  Speaker 8: of bounds and then just fires it back for a touchdown.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's just it's I mean, I say, I
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  Speaker 8: love watching him because what he's done to the Patriots,
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  Speaker 8: but you just you have to respect how talented and
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  Speaker 8: deadly he is until the play is over. And just
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  Speaker 8: for a defense that's struggling to get pressure right now,
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  Speaker 8: they're banged up on the back end, you don't I mean,
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  Speaker 8: you can't even really roll Jonathan Jones out there, and
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  Speaker 8: even he going back and looking at some of the
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  Speaker 8: stats of how he matched up against Diggs the last
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  Speaker 8: couple of times. It's not good, you know, not good.
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  Speaker 8: He's giving up a bunch of catches to him and
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  Speaker 8: a couple of touchdowns. So, you know what, what do
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  Speaker 8: they pull out of the bag this week? Even when
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  Speaker 8: they had their full contingent in the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 8: their defense, you had Jude on, you had you know,
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  Speaker 8: everybody was kind of out there. It's hard to see
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  Speaker 8: what the plan is going to be. I saw one
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  Speaker 8: you know, X and.
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  Speaker 1: O analysis of what's going on with them, and in
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  Speaker 1: this particular scenario, Josh, you know, they claim that Allen
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  Speaker 1: was forcing it to digs too much. He wasn't seeing
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  Speaker 1: the field, that there's guys there and he's he's locked
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  Speaker 1: in on digs too often and that sometimes hurts them.
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  Speaker 6: Well, they don't really have any secondary receiving threats right now.
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  Speaker 6: Davis is an okay player, and they drafted Dalton Kinkaid
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  Speaker 6: in the first round, but he hasn't really panned out
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  Speaker 6: quite yet. So really their their offense, and this is
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  Speaker 6: kind of what I'm writing about in game Plan. They've
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  Speaker 6: been trying for like a couple of years now to
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  Speaker 6: be less Allan and dig centric, like because it seems
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  Speaker 6: like their offense too often comes down to just Alan
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  Speaker 6: and Diggs playing hero ball and them just making something happen.
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  Speaker 6: And when you get into the playoffs, like this isn't
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  Speaker 6: about the Patriots, like this is about their Super Bowl aspirations,
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  Speaker 6: and then when you get into the playoffs and you
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  Speaker 6: have to win left handed, they can't. Right like, they
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  Speaker 6: don't have a plan B. They are their Plan A
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  Speaker 6: is as good as anybody's Plan A in the entire NFL.
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  Speaker 6: But if their Plan A has a bad day, then
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  Speaker 6: they don't really have a Plan B. So they've been
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  Speaker 6: trying to you know, run the ball a little bit
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  Speaker 6: more traditionally, like from under center and not using Allen
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  Speaker 6: as a runners as Paul pointed out, or a drafting
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  Speaker 6: Kinkaid to try to get somebody else besides Stefon Diggs
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  Speaker 6: that can you be a consistent threat. But every time
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots play the Bills, I feel like the Bills
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  Speaker 6: are a Tesla and the Patriots are like a model
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  Speaker 6: t in terms of the offenses and the philosophy, even
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  Speaker 6: like the Bills are are as you know, they are
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  Speaker 6: one of the best modern franchises in the league, like
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  Speaker 6: they are great kicker, Yeah, exactly, my point they are.
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  Speaker 6: You know, their offense is like people like me that
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  Speaker 6: love the the analytics and love the film and stuff
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  Speaker 6: like that. Their offense is what the nerds want football
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  Speaker 6: to be played like nowadays. They're an aggressive, early down
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  Speaker 6: passing offense. They have this cyborg playing quarterback. They have
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  Speaker 6: a number one superstar receiver, and they are just all gas,
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  Speaker 6: no breaks. And if you are a team like the Patriots,
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  Speaker 6: all you need to like you just need to hope
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  Speaker 6: that they don't just run you there.
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  Speaker 1: So what did the Giants do in the first half?
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  Speaker 6: So the bit my whole thing with how if you
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  Speaker 6: want to try to figure this out? I called Josh
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  Speaker 6: Allen Captain Chaos, right, Like he is one of those
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  Speaker 6: quarterbacks that, like Deuce was saying, he just thrives in chaos,
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  Speaker 6: Like if you you can get pressure, you can you know,
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  Speaker 6: hold up in the back end, and he's just gonna
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  Speaker 6: run around and find out, right, Like that's just who
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  Speaker 6: he is as a player. And I think for Belichick
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  Speaker 6: what makes that so difficult is there's such a rules
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  Speaker 6: based defense, Like there's such a like, you know, do
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  Speaker 6: your job fundamental and all this kind of stuff. But
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  Speaker 6: what happens when the other guy's a cheat code like
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  Speaker 6: and you just you can you can sit there and
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  Speaker 6: play great coverage and he's still gonna beat you. So
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  Speaker 6: I think what the Giants did and wink, Martindale is
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  Speaker 6: a notorious blitzer and just a graduating defensive coordinator, and uh,
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  Speaker 6: what the Giants did. What the Jets do a little
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  Speaker 6: bit is they fight chaos with chaos. Like if you're
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  Speaker 6: gonna you're gonna be chaotic and you're gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 6: play that way. We're gonna send different pressure looks at you,
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna spend the dial in the back end, and
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  Speaker 6: you are never going to know what we are in
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  Speaker 6: like you, you were never going to just line up
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  Speaker 6: across from you and play you straight.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like something the Patriots defense has
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  Speaker 1: done well in the past is spin the dial, give
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback different looks, try to confuse them and all that.
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  Speaker 1: But right now, because of the injuries, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if they're they have all the you know, the little
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  Speaker 1: notches on their dial right now available to them.
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  Speaker 8: You know what I'm kind of remembering is there was
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  Speaker 8: a point, I don't know, nine ten, something like that.
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  Speaker 8: One of the years they were really having trouble getting
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  Speaker 8: after the quarterback and then all of a sudden they
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  Speaker 8: just started putting like one defensive lineman down and everybody
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  Speaker 8: else is like walking around, and it was just kind
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  Speaker 8: of felt like drastic times called I.
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  Speaker 1: Called it the cocktail party.
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  Speaker 4: Cocktail party.
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  Speaker 8: Everybody's walking around like, I don't know if they can
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  Speaker 8: go to that on you know, bas downs anything that
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  Speaker 8: an amba amba. So I just I wonder if something
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  Speaker 8: like that is coming some kind of just like drastic
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  Speaker 8: kind of changed to time.
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  Speaker 4: I think the really the game the other night was
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  Speaker 4: about the Giants offense. The Giants offense stayed on the
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  Speaker 4: field and kept Josh Allen on the sideline. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I'm just looking in the turnovers. The turnovers were huge.
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  Speaker 4: They went three and out to start the game, Buffalo did.
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  Speaker 4: Then they drove forty yards and fumbled thirty eight yards.
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  Speaker 4: Then they missed a field goal and had a pick
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  Speaker 4: like yeah, just like that, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: you don't score it now. The second half it was touchdown, touchdown,
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  Speaker 4: miss field goal. They had three possessions.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but over those drives like touch.
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  Speaker 4: Seventeen eighty four, twelve seventy and then the last one
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  Speaker 4: they took over and field goal ranged missed the field
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  Speaker 4: goal twelve minutes, no twelve plays seventy days, it was
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  Speaker 4: ten minutes, ten minutes nine fit's a long drive, nine
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  Speaker 4: fifty eight. So what the Giants did was they possessed
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  Speaker 4: the ball in the first half. Do you have with
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  Speaker 4: the final thirty two to twenty eight and that's where
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  Speaker 4: a ten minute touchdown drive for Buffalo, they still didn't
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  Speaker 4: have the ball for four minutes more than the Giants law.
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  Speaker 4: So like it's easy to sit here and say that's
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  Speaker 4: what the Patriots have to do, Well, how do you
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  Speaker 4: do that? But how do you possess the ball when
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  Speaker 4: you haven't been able to move the ball all year?
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  Speaker 6: I also just think, like, you know, the Bills, they
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  Speaker 6: can score so quickly, So I like, as much as
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  Speaker 6: you want to say, possess the ball, like they can
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  Speaker 6: just score in thirty seconds. And it's like when.
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  Speaker 4: That's what the Giants did a good job of making
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  Speaker 4: them go slow, which is kind of like what the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots did in the Thursday Night game last year, and
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  Speaker 4: everybody sort of criticized myself included, well, if you're just
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  Speaker 4: going to sit back and let them do that and
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  Speaker 4: they win twenty four to ten instead of you know,
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  Speaker 4: thirty four to twenty four, what's the difference? You know,
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  Speaker 4: would be my argument. But I think the Giants did
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  Speaker 4: a little of that in the Sunday night game, and
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  Speaker 4: I actually thought, we're talking about all these things that
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  Speaker 4: are wrong with Buffalo. They've had a few games where
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  Speaker 4: they've been slowed down. They've also had a few games
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  Speaker 4: that they've been typically the dominant selves. Yeah, so you
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  Speaker 4: know which one you're going to get on Sunday. You know,
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  Speaker 4: my guess is you're going to get the better view
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  Speaker 4: of the better version of Buffalo's offense, because it was
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  Speaker 4: three weeks in a row where they were up in
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  Speaker 4: the upper thirties and into the forties, and then you know,
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  Speaker 4: then they had twenty in London and then fourteen. I
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  Speaker 4: actually from a Buffalo perspective, and I agree with Evan.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of like Josh Allen. I like watching them play,
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  Speaker 4: even though you know he's in the division.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely respect him. I would.
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  Speaker 4: I came out of the game Sunday Night with Buffalo
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  Speaker 4: from their perspective, saying that's a game that they always lose.
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  Speaker 4: It's a tight game. They lose a lot of close games.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it was a tight game throughout. They looked
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  Speaker 4: like they weren't quite sharp. This is a game that
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  Speaker 4: Buffalo always finds a way to lose, and they won
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  Speaker 4: their teeth. Yeah, now the game ended in I thought that.
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  Speaker 1: Mcammott the game ended in the Giant's hands though.
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  Speaker 4: At thee and on time down. Yeah, now we can
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  Speaker 4: get to that stuff too. But I thought McDermott did
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  Speaker 4: a disservice in the game. I don't think they should
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  Speaker 4: have tried that field goal that they missed at the end,
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  Speaker 4: which would have made it an eight point game. I
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  Speaker 4: would have just punted and tried to pay him inside
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  Speaker 4: the ten and made Tyrod Taylor go ninety yards in
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  Speaker 4: two minutes for a touchdown to see if he could
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  Speaker 4: do it. Instead, you gave him the ball at the
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: forty three yard by Now I know he doesn't expect
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: to miss the field goal. The guy literally had his
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: first two misses of any kicks all season in that game.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: But I thought that was a mistake the end of
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: the game. I don't did you see any of the
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: end of the game, Fred, Well, it came down they fast.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: They kind of the Bills defense did a good job.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: They made him go like five yards at a time
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: and take the clock all the way down. There was
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: nine seconds left. They were at the fifteen and then
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: Tyrod Taylor ran on the play to make it down
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: to two seconds from the ten. Then they threw a
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: pass in the end zone that got called for passing appearance,
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: which was very a very cheesy call on the passing appearance.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: Then the next play was none timed down from the
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: one and the guy absolutely abused. Darren Waller, I don't
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: have any idea how they didn't call passing appearance on
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: the second one. It was one of the most blatant
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: passing appearances you'll ever see. They should have had another
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: run time down from the half yard line. I also
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: wondered why they didn't run, and I know they ran
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: the first half.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: The play call by the Giants on that last play
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: was brutal. I mean, like, you have the the one
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: thing that Tyrod has going for him is that he
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: can run, So like how you don't like put some
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: sort of look on it with his legs involved. I
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: they just like straight drop back, play action past it
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: and try to like get like I.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Thought that was weird. Yeah, and I know they had
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: it covered too. I thought he did a good job,
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: but he doesn't definitely interfered with him. I mean, there's
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: no question. I thought the first one that gave him
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: the second chance was a little tickie tack. That one
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: was not. I can't believe they didn't call Yeah Johnson
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: for that one.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: This Bill's offense, like this is this is their mo though.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: They're a volatile group, like they're either like I said,
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: they're either running you over or they're having games like
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: they had last week. And that's what they're trying to
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: coach out of this group. And that's why they are
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: trying to find like a traditionalunning game. And there are
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: like just things that you can just lean on when
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: like Allen's nonsense like isn't working for whatever reason, they
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: can go to something else. It would be more puzz.
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: Do you think maybe, like you said, that's usually the
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: game they lose. Do you feel like maybe this is
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: something they're they're finding a little pity a positive term.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: And I think back to the Monday Night game that
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: they are a horrific loss to start the season in
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: the Aaron Rodgers game. I actually looked at it as
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: it didn't work, but they lined the first time they
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: got inside the ten, they lined up under center, put
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Damien Harris in the game and tried to run it
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: in like every other team does. And you know, they
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: didn't score a lot of points that night. You know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: the offense wasn't good in that game. But I just
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: thought maybe they have sort of looked at some of
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: the things that they've fallen short and now last year.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Notwithstanding last year they had a complete and utter collapse
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: and their playoff loss to Cincinnati, they got dominated on
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: both sides of the ball for sixty minutes. The bulk
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: of their playoff losses, the offense has been pretty good,
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: especially the one two years ago in Kansas City was
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: an unbelievable shootout. So I wouldn't necessarily say they have
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: to do things differently other than you got to try
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: to protect Josh Allen, and I do think that that's
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: part of it. I think there have been times where
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: he would have run in the past, and I think
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: he's really trying to say, Okay, you know, we're in
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: the middle of October, do we really need this third
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: down more than that third down, and he still does
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: it in the goal line. I think he has three
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: out of you know, twenty two carries, three of them
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: are rushing touchdowns, so he's still doing it, I think
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: when he gets down in the red zone and stuff.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: But he also still does like really reckless things like that.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: The game winning touchdown pass was no no, no, oh great, oh, Josh,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: you know, like it was a terrible decision.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: And those are the things that just as a defensive
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: guy like Belichick, like that just has to be absolutely maddening,
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: Like we got pressure, we covered it perfectly, and then
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: he just does some stupid thing that no one else
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: should do.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: His own look of that play yet that the first
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: of all, was like a third tight end who only
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: played because Dalton kin k didn't play. That it was
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: the first time the guy was targeted all year. He
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: wasn't looking and there was a giant right next to
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: him when he threw the ball.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Like that's mac.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: It's it would have taken a half hour to get
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: there and a guy would have turned not being serious.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: That's like el Way can do that, Josh Allen can
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: do that. Everybody else can't.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be a monumental task, you know, normally,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like if the Patriots were a dog against an AFCAS
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: she said, well, you know, division games, I'll figure out
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: a way to keep it close, you know, like they
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: did earlier with Miami. And obviously they beat the Jets.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: But the Patriots are going the wrong direction, and I
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what they can do to
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: keep this one close. I'm you know, I.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: Actually think that they they might not do anything to
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: keep bit close. But for Buffalo, like this reminds me,
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: like you like mentioned Fred, Like you know, the Patriots
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: are other teams like get right games right right now,
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: this reminds me of like a take care of business
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: game for Buffalo, Like they Josh Allen's banged up a
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: little bit. He's got a shoulder injury. He's going to practice,
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: I think McDermott said, but he's going to be limited.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: And they don't need to bring their A plus stuff
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: to this game to beat the people.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Frankly, the last time that Buffalo played here, they didn't
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: have their foot on the gas the whole game.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: That's sort of the type of game that I'm predicted.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: A business like Thursday night road win right in the
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: first half and coasted in the second.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and the Patriots used to do this
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: for twenty years. Right where we're you know, we're a
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: little banged up where you know, we have this you
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: know next week is a bigger game or something like that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: We're just gonna make underestimating the Patriots. No, it's just
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: like if the score, if the score, I just don't
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: anticipate that they're going to lose by thirty because I
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: don't think Buffalo is gonna come out. You know, Dallas
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: was motivated in that game after losing to the Cardinals,
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: and they destroyed the Patriots. I would say that the
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: Bills are more in the take care of business category
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: and this one.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: The health of the Bill's defense I think will make
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: it difficult for them to blow them out, because that's
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: how they usually blow teams out, is when they get
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: their offense rolling, then that pass rush causes turnovers. But
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: everybody's missing from the Bill's defense. I mean, they're missing
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: like five starters, so the the pass rush seems to
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: be still intact health wise, you know, Lennon Floyd and
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Epanessa and those guys Von Miller was pretty active in
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: that last drive the other night, even though he didn't
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: get any He didn't get any sacks, and I don't know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: it's hard to record pressures. It's hard to tell.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: One.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Did he have one that especially he was, but he
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: was definitely flashing on that drive and I'm sure that bothered.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Thinking about him going into that mix with those guys.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Friday Milano's losses, he's out, day Kwon Jones's loss is
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: huge and middle and Trey White is level they had.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Who's the other one? Is it Dane Jackson? Who's the
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: other Who's the corner?
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: Dane Jackson?
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Is that right? See the guy who missed the game?
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: I think so, because he was out there, Yeah, John
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: out there?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so Jackson who was probably the third corner because
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: they had to play Elam who has been really bad.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: He's the first round bust for them, Coyrier, Elom Christian
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Benford has played pretty well. But you know, this is
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: like the old thing that Freddy always talks about. Everybody
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: has to slide up a notch, and you know he's
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: he's Benford's probably pretty good as a second banana, right,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: But now you get no Trey White I like Taron
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: john I agree with Evan on Taron Johnson.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: That's the guys made some place too, and the placement
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: of of what's his face.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: But he's he's small and he's the guy who got
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: called for passing the finerance in the end zone. That's
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: what I would like, some vulnerability there in the middle.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if you're looking at where the Patriots offense could
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: find some hay in this game, it's it's probably running
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: the run the ball, like those linebackers, Like the Bills
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: had Mulano and Edmunds for years and that was one
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: of the best linebacker duos in the league. This is
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: not that, Like they don't have those two guys anymore.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: And both the guys that they're playing in there because
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: they play so much zone coverage, they're smaller, you know,
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: to play in space and coverage. So the Giants even
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: though it you know, didn't add up to I think
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: it was like three point nine a carry or something
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: like that, but Barkley had a few big runs well
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: and then drive that they.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Ended up you know, and this is another one at Dable,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: like they the Giants probably should have won the game,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: like that drive that Evan's talking about in the fourth
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: quarter was like nineteen yards thirty four yards. They get
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: effortlessly down the field. They had third down in like
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: this much. Here you go that much guys, and he run,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: he throws the ball with with with Taylor. He goes
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: for a bigger play and they're in the red zone
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: and it's incut I'm thinking, well, okay, you took a
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: shot for a touchdown there, they're gonna go for him,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: and he kicks the field goal to take the nine
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: to seven lead. I'm like, you got it. You had
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: them on the run. I mean, what are the odds
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: that they were going to come up with a stopped
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: there or on the run. I know they stopped them
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: in the goal line, and I think they stopped a
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: third and short earlier in the game, But at that
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: time in the game, I thought the Bills defense looked
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: vulnerable to the run and Barkley was sort of heating up.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you can run downhill on this Bills team. Like
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: they're smaller. Daikwon Jones is not healthy. The linebackers are
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: smaller and aren't the same talent level as the guys
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: that you used to have in there. And you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: they play that overfront, and the Patriots have always pulled
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: a lot of guards against Buffalo and ran it down
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: down their throats, And I do think you can do
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: that now. Are they gonna be able to throw it
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: on the bills that they couldn't throw it on the
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: bills even when Brady was here, when McDermott once McDermott
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: got there. So it's been a little bit rough.
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: So I was gonna say Poyer in Hide it was
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: just kind of like mccordy and Chung, you know, just
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: a long term safety duo that knows what to do,
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: knows where everybody you're at. And I mean we've seen
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: you know how many picks they've had on Mac A
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: couple of least. I remember the playoff one to Agalore.
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: But those guys are really good too the back end.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: In terms of the Patriots health, it's probably better to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: talk about who's available rather than who's out, because it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a long list and.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Expect that to get longer.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these lost did Pyton? Now the Patriots practice Tuesday?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: A rare Tuesday? Did they issue what participation?
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: They'll get it to us on Wednesday.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: They don't have to Wednesday Thursday, Friday, Okay, So.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: We'll see today Evan. I mean, I'm curious when Evan
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: goes out, which of those veterans.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now McDermott's back, uh, Conn he was signed to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the practice square, but I would expect him to be
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: right if he's healthy.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if he's ready to go.
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: I mean I think everybody is that at this point,
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: like just surprised they couldn't find something else to to
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: swap in there, uh, you know for Verderian Low. So
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: I hope, I'm hopeful. I'm kind of hopeful, like just
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: to change it up a little bit.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Another item of minutia in terms of injuries, Bill indicated
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: today that Riley Reef's injury last week was something different
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: than what had originally sidelined him. So that's not good. Yeah.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: I saw Riley Reef and limping around the locker room
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: yesterday with a sleeve on his right leg.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: And so he opened the season on IR. He came
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: back and played okay at guard I thought, yeah, and
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: most most people thought like three quarters of a game,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: and then he went back out and then he was
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: inactive last week. He was an early inactive, didn't make
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: the trip to Vegas, and Bill indicated today that it
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: was something different than it had originally sidelined him, So
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: that's not good.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: And Tonio Mafi, yeah, for better or worse, Yeah, I
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: had Oliver.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Jeez, he had. Oliver is one of those interior defensive
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: linemen I really like. But you can run at him
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: a little bit, but he's he's.
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: Good, like already teaching Tonio Mafi how to pick up
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: a stunt, like please just like get get like scars
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: coming here this weekend, right, like can we just get
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: them to stop by for like a couple hours and
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: just be like this is what you do, okay, Like
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: this is what you do when they do this.
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: It's funny because like when you I mean, I don't
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: know what the exact measurements are, but like mind use
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: similar squarish body type. But he's got some foot movement skills.
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: Like I just feel like Mafi is so heavy, so
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: heavy footage.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: I think it's recognition on the stunts, Like I just
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: don't think he sees him coming, and like I I
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: that's what frustrates me about it because like to me,
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: like you should be able to coach him up, like
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: it's I don't think that it's like he is too
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: slow to like, you know, foot speed wise to react
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: to it. I just don't like he's just his eyes
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: are in the wrong places and he doesn't see it coming.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: And it's like, come on, like this is going on
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: and now teams are are just doing it on purpose
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: just to mess with him, right Like they just they're
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: doing it over and over and over again and making
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: him do it and until he.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Picks one up, he's going to keep seeing him.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as Evan reported yesterday, jack Jones returned to the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: practice field. Is he is he available right away? I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: know that, you know, they have to make a decision
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: by Saturday, by three weeks, but he could play, he
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: could play something.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they could activate on Saturday.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: I think it'd be a nice little boost for him,
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: just because it seems like Jonathan Jones is really he's hurt.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: He's hurt.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's fighting through things right now. I don't
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: know when he is.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Going to be healthy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: And it's just tough.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: It's tough.
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: I mean, maybe jac Jackson is starting to get a
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: little bit more situated, I guess, but I don't know.
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: He kind of feels like he is what he is,
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: and yeah, I thought.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: Mike Pelgrino had some interesting answers about j C yesterday
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: and he said to me that if jac makes a
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: mistake that you see on the tape, it's my fault,
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: like Pelgrino's fault. And he's like, you know that, Like
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: he's making some mental errors right now, and it's because
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: we're not. You know, we got to coach him better,
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: Like we got to coach him up on some of
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: the things that he's making mistakes on. I thought in
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: terms of like actual coverage, Jac was really good in
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: that game against Vegas. I mean, they took a couple
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: of shots against him, and he was blanketing the guys.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: So I think a lot of the mental stuff the
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: coaches are kind of taking responsibility for that, So hopefully
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: that will eventually get better.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Do you remember him going up against Digs at all?
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: And he haven't? Oh it was horrible, Yeah, oh yeah,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: the Monday night game when I was in a coma,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: when I couldn't serious. It's the only it's literally the
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: only game I've ever missed for illness in my life.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: That game was just attract me. That was the infamous
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Lewis Riddick. They think they have a plan for Josh Allen.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: I think Diggs had three touchdowns on him in that game.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Jesus, I didn't even realize bringing that up.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: And then twenty one in Buffalo Jason Off game No.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: No.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: In the regular season, I think j C had an interception,
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: but Diggs had a big touch. You know, it was
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: like kind of like a you know, two Haymaker type situation.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Is never it's one of the rare one guy on
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: the other team never beats the Patriots.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: He always has been wound. He has six touchdowns in
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: six games, gets the They can't stop him as a bill.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, not counting what he did against.
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: He's been there tonight, kid like probably like more so,
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: I would say even than Tyreek Hill and ways like
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: at least they've in some games against Tyreek Hill, they've
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: like kind of solved that that problem with Digs.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: They he averages about ninety yards. It's it's a game.
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: It's not the same as Brady and Edelman, but it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: just like how is he open on third and eight?
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Like how are you not covering him? You know, like
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: they just.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: Somehow are able to execute plays when like.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: It's going to digs.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: It's gonna go to digs, and it goes to digs,
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: and there's just you're.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Powerless to stop it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: That's the key. That's what a top flight receiver can do.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: And that's why there's such big difference makers they get
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: open even when you try to stop him.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: They it's really hard to bracket him because he's such good,
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: so good at running vertical routes, and like the problems
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: with brackets. It's like, all right, you got him if
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: he goes inside, I got him if he goes outside,
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: But who got him if he goes deep? Right, Like
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: that's like the always the issue. So you can't bracket
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: him because he's so good at going deep. But then
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: if you just put one guy on him, even if
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: he has safety help over the top, he's so good underneath,
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: so that it's just like you know, what do you
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: really do? You know, take him out it's.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: A high low and inside you up four guys.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: On there we go.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have to.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Be fast and fast, Yeah, maybe physical too, Yeah, pretty
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: strong all right?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Eight five five PATS five hundred is the ACE Ticket
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: hot Line web radio at Patriots dot com as the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: email just something that caught my eye this morning. I
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: didn't know.
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want to digress too much, but Caleb Williams says,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: whoever he gets drafted by he wants a piece of
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the team. What does he come off?
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Okay, so do I where do you come off?
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Well that's also illegal, you can't.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, but like what, like I'm a little worried
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: about this guy.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: I mean too, yeah, I'm getting there as well.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Usually I poo poo you on side. I don't on this. Yeah,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: you know, the whole ni L thing, and now this, yeah,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: us worth the hassle.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: It's so funny.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: I was thinking that same thing this morning, and I
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: was like, oh, maybe I should bring that up on
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: the show.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: And then I was just imagining you.
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: Guys like, oh, you don't want him now because he's
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: always a little bit too.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Like everybody's the same way of being like, yeah, that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: kind of weird.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: I worry if I worry about how much he cares
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: about football. Does he cared more about this stuff than
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: anything else?
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: That's all?
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think you can play. Yeah, I mean
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: I don't care about the three. I mean, he had
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: a terrible game the other night.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Why would you put that out I mean, do you
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: think it was put out there or is that kind
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: of I don't know that it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Did originate from Pro Football Talk, right, so it's in
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: question you.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Can all right, I just thought i'd throw that out there.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: Little I'm I'm slowly starting to be a Drake May guy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: Like I'm already a Drake May guy as the number
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: two quarterback.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: And I Williams, I need, I need to get you
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: haven't dealt it haven't come out to like April, He's
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: he's screwed d.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: He's he's just cool, you know, like he's got that
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: like Herbert Burrough just like like that cool swagginess to him.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: And I don't think that he's like a diva like
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: Caleb Williams, like six four six five.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Like that to him.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I also kind of like the guys that are dominant
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: with less traditional programs then you know, like the knack
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: of you know, but like he lifts those around him.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Like North Carolina's is a good team. Okay, I'm not
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: telling you this is you know, Vanderbilt, but they're they're
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: a good team. But they're not a blue blood like
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: like in like they are in basketball, and you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I think Oklahoma USC for Caleb Williams. There's a lot
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: of NFL players that that is that. I don't know
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: if they'll have as many from North Carolina. They've had
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: some good skill guys in recent days North Carolina receivers.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Where Hitchcock from, Yeah, he was n C State.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: I believe like those guys, Javonte Williams was that one.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: I think Javonte Williams just won. Michael Carter the pass Cats.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, program going one good program.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Well the well, you know, Matt Brown's a good coach.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: They're very good at U recruiting. Like those spots though,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: like they're like the skill positions quarterback, their line play
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: is terrible.
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: Do you guys put a lot of stock into Like
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: I'd never draft a fill in the blank position from
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: fill in the blank school.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: No, But I do think there's some validity to some
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: of it. Yeah, like the Ohio State quarterback then you
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: know that's.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: The only one because their offense is like really unique
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: to Ohio State, and a lot of those quarterbacks fail
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: because like they have very weird kind of details in
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: that offense that are you know, drop backs, like how
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: they like their quarterbacks to drop back and progressions and
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: things like that are all like backwards, so like.
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: Going back aways though, like you know, even when it's historical,
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: and you know, I just am always like, well, are
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: the systems kind of consistent through you know, like twenty
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: years of you know, I would never draft whatever from it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: I do fall into the I like to draft x
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: from programs that have success with that, like you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: the old Penn State linebacker thing. You know, offensive lineman
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: from Wisconsin or even Boston College has had a lot
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: of good NFL offensive lineman over the years.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: They have another one this year.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I do fall into that, whereas the programs
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: that know how to Wisconsin sort of create yeah, you know,
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: certain spots still kind of the SEC though, Oh god,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: yeah lineman from SEC.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: All right, eight five five, Pats five hundred. Let's go
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: to the phones, get people involved. Matthews in New Mexico.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: What's up, Matthew?
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: See you guys.
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: How's it going.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: Right now?
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: It's just like a hard place.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: I don't know how old Evan is, but I'm twenty seven, and.
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: Like my memory of watching the Patriots goes to like
• 35:28
  Speaker 12: the two thousand and two season, and you know, I
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: love Bill, like I want Bill to be the coach,
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: and I want him to finish and I want him
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: to get the record and everything.
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: But if you're Robert Kraft and like, let's say the
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: season goes, you know, like we have the fourth six
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: or let's just say, you know, for right.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Now, what does Bill like?
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: What does Bill have to.
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: Do to earn like the trust and like his plan
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: or is it literally just too far gone, like he's
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: lost the locker room, like these guys seem like they
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: don't want to play for him, and like DeVante Parker,
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: And yeah, that's why I guess that's my question is
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: like what.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. Do you know if they
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: have that fourth pick and let's say they're in line
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: to get a top quarterback that they really like, what
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Bill has to do? I think you see some control.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I think on the person else.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: Side terrified of him making that pick.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Terrified, but he that's my point, he wouldn't be making
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the pick.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: What are you more terrified of him making the pick
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: or him coaching the player that he picks.
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: Both, especially because it's it should be an offensive player,
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: and him.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Him picking the quarterback or coaching the quarterback make it
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: more specific.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, he didn't do such a bad job,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: you know, coaching Tom Brady.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm serious, Right, it was a young guy.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: Who I just think that guy's gone, like in terms
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: of Bell, Like, I just think that that coach is gone.
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: And I also like, if you're drafting one of these
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: young quarterbacks now, like you have to these guys are
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: different cats, Like we see. We just talked about it
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: with Caleb Williams and like if you're not, like, it's
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: just a different thing, like he rode Brady like you,
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: I just don't think you can do that with today's athlete.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: In retrospect, I kind of think that I don't know,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: maybe Brady deserves a little more credit for his development
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: than we gave him at the time.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Brady is Brady, but I mean even
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Brady says, no, he helped me.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's the best coach who's ever
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: done it. I'm sure he helped him.
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: Right, It's almost like you'd like him in a consultant
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: role just to like provide his depth of knowledge of
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: the game, you know, but on a day to day
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: kind of basis of handling the person and figuring out
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: what buttons to push.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: It's hard.
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: I mean I watched a little Mike McDaniel micd up
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: on the sidelines and like, as much.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: As he's that was wild.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: But man, it's like talk about just an absolute polar
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: opposite human being god than Bill Belichick, And I mean,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: like there's more than one ways to coach a football team.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: But it's just.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Clearing when in the middle of the game and he
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: goes up to one of the linesmen, you know, the
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: chain gangs, like I almost wore that vest today and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he's got the red vest.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: It sounds on the sidelight, like what are you doing
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: cracking jokes in the middle of the game.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: Well, he met the reps and he's like, good, firm
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: handshake and eye contact from.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Both of you.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Like he's just such a.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: You're giving me respect. That's why you guys are great.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: Like I know, it's it's I know, I like it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Do you think it's real? Do you think it's authentic?
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: I kind of do, Like I mean, I mean, I
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: was gonna bring up Dan Campbell a different way, but
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: I don't know. I've seen enough of it now that
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: it just seems like this is who he is constantly.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I think it is. I think it's authentic.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I think you're probably right, and I do find it
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: refreshing because I thought you made a good point just now,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: just about there's a lot of different ways to have
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: success coaching. You don't have to, like, you know, sleep
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: in your office for you know, eighteen hours in every day.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: But I just wonder sometimes with those guys, and I
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: think if you're true to yourself, I think the players.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: They can tell that.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: They figure out if you're trying to be something you're not.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: I think that's been a problem for the Belichick coaching tree.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: It was certainly a problem with McDaniels when he went
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: to Denver. You know, he tried to be Bill and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: right down to the twirling of the whistle in the hoodie.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: And that was a big thing for Maddy p and Detroit.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: You know, he's like chastising the media.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: And I just I think what stands out to me
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: is he just doesn't take himself that seriously. And I
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: feel like everyone in this place takes.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Themselves very seriously, and you better take them seriously too.
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: And that's how it's going to be at all times,
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: you know, And it's just it's kind of disarming when
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: you see an NFL coach that's like that, but then
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: is also respected because he's pushing the game forward offensively.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Now he's becoming as they've gotten better, he's becoming more
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and more loose. So I think I think he's he
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: feels more free to be himself. But I think this
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: is who he is. If they were losing, I think
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: he'd be a little bit more reserved, only because you know,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I better watch myself.
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I agree, I agree, But he's he's a character.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: See him next week.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. I like I'm not one of
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: these people that, oh he's you know, that's not how
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I head coach would be.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: No, I listen, how do you feel about Miami's chances
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: right now overall, like in the in the playoffs?
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean?
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: How would you kind of?
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: Hell?
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're I mean, obviously every team deals
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: with that to a huge extent. But obviously the history
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: of their quarterback would worry me. Sure, but that's a
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: team that I think that the seating is going to
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: be huge for it if they play, If they play
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: in Miami. I don't think you're slowing that team.
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: That's exactly the point I was going to with there,
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: just you know, with a reasonable they gotta go to
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: Hello in January though, or now even last year they
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: they went up to Buffalo in that playoff game and
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: they lost a shootout with Skyler Thompson.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: So that's a I mean, that's a pretty good offense.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Allen, Wisconsin. What's up, al?
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: Hey, how you guys doing?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 40:56
  Speaker 13: Hey, before I make my point, right, are you giving
• 40:59
  Speaker 13: then hazard pay for having to rewatch these games over
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: and over again?
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Oh? He loves it, he does.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: Those are two fair points.
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: Now, But yeah, my my main point was about Bill
• 41:14
  Speaker 13: and whether he would be let go during the season,
• 41:16
  Speaker 13: And I got to say, like, as a fan, I
• 41:19
  Speaker 13: don't really care if he's let go during the season
• 41:22
  Speaker 13: or not. But what would really help me out is
• 41:27
  Speaker 13: just a sense from ownership of where we're going in
• 41:30
  Speaker 13: the future, Like if he's not going to be the coach,
• 41:33
  Speaker 13: just let us know, Hey, we're playing this out and
• 41:37
  Speaker 13: then we're moving on. Because as long as there's not that,
• 41:40
  Speaker 13: there's always going to kind of be that sinking feeling that, yeah, oh,
• 41:46
  Speaker 13: we might just go forward with this.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: No, I hear yeah, I in terms of wanting to know,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: but what team has ever announced that going to be
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: getting rid of a coach before the day that they
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: actually do it.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: They are completely late.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: You know, it's just it's nothing. They say, he's gonna
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: have any weight at all.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Right, he can't do that, you know. But I hear you.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're all anxious, but I hear you know, yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: You just got to watch the games and see, you
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: know what happens. I mean, the previous caller, what could
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: he do?
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, win games?
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: You win games this year.
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: I don't think it comes down to what can he
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: do in the draft, Like by the time we get
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: to that point, a decision already.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: But even Teddy Bruski, who you probably won't find a
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: bigger fan of Bill Belichick, what does he hope for
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick? He hopes that he turns it around,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: wins some games, and then walks away.
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I mean it would be it would
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: be a good way to go out if if it
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: does that, he pulls out a couple upsets games that
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: we haven't seen in the last couple of years, you know,
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: so you know, maybe you pull something out of your
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: butt down in Miami and you knock off the Dolphins
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: and you hold him a certain amount of points and
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: you know you're able to squeak one out and you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: like those we're not going to the playoffs, but I
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: think there are still some things that you can at
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: least try to end it on a high note.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: So if you had, if you were going to split
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: these two games, Buffalo Miami.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: This one for I'd say they get this one and
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: they no, which one would.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: You rather have?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Rather have Buffalo Buffalo?
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Buffalo.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: I would take the Miami I mean in Miami shutting
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: down that.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's a better win. But I think
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I just want to beat Buffalo. They kick and I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: hate I hate both teams, and I don't want to
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: lose to the Jets at home. We got to win
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: that game.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: That'd be the one you pick out of the three.
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with friend, I mean really, yeah, I mean they.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Could be one and much I would much rather upset,
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Like I don't look at it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Well because I like, I don't winning games against Buffalo
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: Miami to one end.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Right, like to one end, I keep freak going right perfectly.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Let's be sixteen in a row. You don't want to
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: break the streak.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: You don't want to break the streak.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: But I think even if they if they were like
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: one and fifteen going into that last Jets game, it's like.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Juice, like, let's go, and what does he do to them? Like,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: let's just say that they continue winning and like they're
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: kind of you.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Know, Rogers on this like this whole new thing with
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: the latrosh surgery, you know, but he thinks he's going
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: to have a chance.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Al's gone. But let's just say I don't.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Know about that game. I mean in January.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Let's just genuine let's just say they're fighting for the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: life and we still beat.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Oh and if you killed the Jets, like you only
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: win two games, But I don't think it's the Jets.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: That you hold them out of the playoffs, that would
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: do nothing for me, a.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Lot for me.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: I agree, the other two teams we held the Jets
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: out of the players.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: The two teams own me. Yeah, I want to I
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: want to stop that, stop it stopping that.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: We'll do that next year. We'll take care of that
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: next year.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: You can't let the streak in to be sure, I'm
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: not like pitching. I'd rather beat the Jets than these
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: two teams, like it means nothing, but I just.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: You know, event doesn't mean nothing. At least they have
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: dominance over something still.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Right, right, you don't want to let them up off
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: the mat.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: No, I think it just continues a lot of negative numbers.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Damn, I don't know. Sixteen in a row, that's positive.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Number to me, you know, not when that's the only
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: team you be.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: It's okay at least at least.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: That at least that going with ten games under five hundred,
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: twenty games under it. If you take the Jets.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Out and let's just say that, let's just say this
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: is it for Bill. His last win was against the Jets, right,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: he would want that too.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: If it's his last game, that that I would probably
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: go to.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was kind of thinking that as well.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: If it's his last game then he coaches in the NFL.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: I think I would like him to go out with
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: a win.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: He wants something on the line for the Jets too, though, right, Like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: you don't want that to be just.
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like nineteen when the Dolphins like beat the
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: Patriots to knock him out of the first round. By
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: maybe the Patriots knocked the Jets out of the playoffs.
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: Bill wins his last game against the Jets. The of
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: it that I would that's like almost like another Super Bowl.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Joseph San Antonio, Hey, Joe points, I like it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Joe, thank you, thank you for taking my call. I'm
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: gonna be a reef as I can. So yesterday I
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: try to get an emailing. Unfortunately he didn't get talked about.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: But I cannot help to see the similarities as a
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: franchise of the Spurs and the Patriots, with the runs
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: that we have had here in San Antonio and the
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: paths up there, and the similarities of the coaching style
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: of Pop and Bill. So right now I'm seeing in
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: real time how the arch has come from the Spurs,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: moving on from the victory and the down. And we
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: haven't won a championship here since twenty fourteen, and now
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: that we got Wemby, you know, things are looking on
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: the up and up and with the right future. So
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: basically my point is that yes, Bill has missed on
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of picks, There's no question about it. And
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: probably Mac is not the guy but I'm simply just
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: not ready to give up. I'm bill after for losing seasons.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Uh uh theoretically like that, because like I said, I'm
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: seeing it in real time what a little bit of patience,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: uh can do to kind of like correct the the Yeah.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: But the only thing I would say, Joel, I hear
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. But in basketball, one guy can make
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a difference, you know, and and it's less of it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Coaches make less of a difference in the NBA than
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: in football in my opinion.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: You know, but we're talking about two goals, right, the
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: golden basketball the golden football.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: And I don't think you have. I don't think you
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: guys have the golden basketball.
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: You think that's the wrong thing to say in this town, Joel,
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: True that red.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Hour back might have something to say about.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: That, thank you.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: As much as I don't like Phil Jackson, I'd put
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Phil Jackson light years ahead of him too.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: And it's and it's just that, you know, just after
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: four years of losing, Yeah, I mean, it sucks, really sucks.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: The team look like that. But I'm just not ready
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: to to give up just yet.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Okakay, all right, We've we've heard from more people like you.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: It's in the last day or two, which is good.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I like some balance.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly, thanks Joe.
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: I'm with Fred said it spot on, though, like Wemby
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: could change is if he's as good as everybody thinks
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: he is, that whole franchise flips. The Spurs also won
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: with Kawhi Leonard as like their best player, like Duncan
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: was at the end. Yeah, you know, he was at
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: the end of his run there and Kui was the
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: m v P of the finals.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Well I want another one. Yeah, outside, so that didn't
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: that's again another market.
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know history.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: This victor Okay, he was the number one overall pick.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: I want to make sure was he he dunked the
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: other day from like the free throw line without jumping.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: It was unbelievable. You see the the l he had
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: in one of those. Yeah, it wasn't even the guy
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: who's the past that. It wasn't an So he just went.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: But then he like he has like handles though, like
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: you know, he's like seven to three and he can dunk.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: Like that perimeter game.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: But the peri Yeah, it's like Durant is like kind
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: of the closest thing I can think of. But he's
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: taller than Duran.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: He is taller.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: Tim's in Providence Center. They play whatever position.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: To Tamara is not here. She's away.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Evidently she just gets time off out of town the
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: middle of the season.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, she was.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: The only last week, h Tim.
• 49:35
  Speaker 14: Everybody thought I was Ken.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Oh sorry, because it's written on them just Ken.
• 49:42
  Speaker 14: I'm actually from Massachusetts, but you guys thought I had
• 49:45
  Speaker 14: a Rhode Island actor.
• 49:47
  Speaker 15: Ken.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: But you're living in Providence right.
• 49:51
  Speaker 14: Work down here?
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, it's just just chatting or do you
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: have a one of what? What are we doing?
• 49:58
  Speaker 14: I sent a message guys thought about this.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:04
  Speaker 14: So I actually don't think the Patriots, you know, presuming
• 50:06
  Speaker 14: they're going to have a high draft pick, I think
• 50:08
  Speaker 14: if they're not going to have the first, which they're
• 50:11
  Speaker 14: probably not going to have because you know, Carolina is
• 50:13
  Speaker 14: offl so Chicago's going to have that pick, and if
• 50:15
  Speaker 14: they're not going to have the second pick, a third pick,
• 50:19
  Speaker 14: and I'm presuming that those top two quarterbacks are going
• 50:22
  Speaker 14: to go there, I actually think they should pass on
• 50:25
  Speaker 14: a quarterback in the first round. And and get alignment
• 50:30
  Speaker 14: is actually what I think they should do. I mean,
• 50:31
  Speaker 14: I just think when you look at the free agents
• 50:35
  Speaker 14: that are available twenty twenty four.
• 50:37
  Speaker 16: For linemen and the problems they're having and heems to
• 50:40
  Speaker 16: all stem from there that I think in the risk
• 50:44
  Speaker 16: of taking a quarterback in the first round, I just
• 50:46
  Speaker 16: think back to all the first round quarterbacks that have
• 50:48
  Speaker 16: been taken that haven't panned out, and I just think,
• 50:53
  Speaker 16: you know, that's what they should be doing, is looking
• 50:55
  Speaker 16: for key pieces and then keep drafting quarterback in the second,
• 51:00
  Speaker 16: third round and hope they've put enough pieces around in
• 51:03
  Speaker 16: the in the upcoming grass of the line and the
• 51:05
  Speaker 16: wide receiver position to give a kid a chance, because
• 51:09
  Speaker 16: I can't just keep drafting kids and then putting them
• 51:12
  Speaker 16: in terrible positions.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Yep, now, I hear you. I mean, Okay, So let's
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: say they have fourth or fifth pick and the quarterback
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: they love is gone. I could see them trading down
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be screaming bloody murder if they did it,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: you know, but you have to yeah, not too far,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you know, down toward the lower middle of the first
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: round and picking up an extra second or more, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: as long as they pick the right players, you know, there's.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: Always good players to be found.
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: I just I'm scared of that, like you know, five
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: to ten range where And I mean Evan's made some
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: good points about this, like go up, go up, like
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: if you need if you know the guy and you
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: want the guy. I mean, talk to Paul about when
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: the Patriots drafted Drew Bletzoe. It turned everything around, you know.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Not that they had to go up and get them,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: but that's tough when it's a quarterback because if the
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: other team wants a quarterback, yeah, that's there, you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: like why are they going to give that up?
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: You know, but I do think it's gonna and I
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: mean I haven't even really touched the draft yet, but
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: you know they need a lot. I mean and as
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: much as team would go crazy about, you know, drafting
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: to tackle over a quarterback that you're kind of like
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: like Mac about.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna be upfront and tell you I would
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: go crazy if.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: They took a tackle on the top. Well what would
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: you take though, Like I mean, just I mean we're
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: talking abstract here.
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: If there wasn't a quarterback or why Marvin Harry really
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: if there wasn't a quarterback or Rock Powers but not
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: on defense.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, if so, you'd rather have like a linebacker.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: If it's like a Micah Parsons type guy on defense,
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: I'd be you know, I just don't know if that
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: exists right now. I'm sure there's really good players. I'm
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: not a college football expert. I like to watch a
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: lot of games. I don't do so with an eye
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: toward who's going to be you know at the top
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: of the you know, a lot of a lot of
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: people do that.
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: Fortunately, it's becoming my job earlier than usual.
• 52:59
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: I I like to just kind of watch the games
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: and enjoy them for the games without necessarily say, oh,
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: is he coming out, or is he is he eligible
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: for the draft? Whatever. If it was like a Micah
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Parsons kind of defensive player who can sort of inject
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: and all kinds of life into your into your defense
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: right away, sure, But otherwise all the suggestions that Evan
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: had about skill guys, I would I'd be looking at.
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: You can do your Micah Parsons on your own time.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: I want all your I want all your options first.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I hear you.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: I Marvin Harrison. Yes, So there there's.
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: Really three quarterbacks that are going to go I think
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: in the top ten. And obviously Caleb Williams and Drake
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: Mayer the first two, and I think Pennix from Washington
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: is going to go top ten as well. So those
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: three guys I think are all better than you know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: talent wise. Like I always hate when people are like, oh,
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: that guy is better already than Mac Jones. It's like
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: he's never played it down in the NFL, Like you
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: don't know that, but he's he's more physically gifted than
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: Mac Jones.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: That's not that's easy to see.
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And so those three guys are are the quarterbacks.
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna butcher his name, but Olo Fushanu is the
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: is the tackle, and then Joe alt is the other tackle.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: Like those are the two tackles that are gonna be
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: up near the top. And then obviously you have Harrison
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: and and Brock Bauers, who are like the two skilled players.
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: And like that's I just named like seven guys, like
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: that's kind of your top ten, Like you know, you're
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: the defensive players in this draft are not getting nearly
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: as much buzz as those guys.
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: The gross thing, too, is I took like a little
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: just Lookie lou at at free agency and just like
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: what the free agency class looks like. And it's like, oh,
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: like you're not You're not going to rebuild your team
• 54:38
  Speaker 8: in free agency.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: The year to draft, the year to get a free
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: agent tackle was last year. Like there was some there
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: was some good tackles available in free agency, some you know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: some of them high priced guys like o'lando Brown, but
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: some of them, you know, middle tier guys. Yeah, and
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Color McDermott they weren't they weren't interested in and.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: H it's Christian and Alabirth. Is this Chris with a tia.
• 55:03
  Speaker 17: N Yes, Yes, that's me. Thanks for taking my call.
• 55:07
  Speaker 17: I wanted to ask you guys about Magro because I
• 55:11
  Speaker 17: feel like there's been a lot of reports in the
• 55:12
  Speaker 17: past weeks, even like I don't know, I guess year
• 55:16
  Speaker 17: where he's seemed like he has more say than what
• 55:20
  Speaker 17: most people think he does. And so with I think
• 55:23
  Speaker 17: there was a thing about Malie Cunningham he has to
• 55:27
  Speaker 17: saying that Bill O'Brien said, and then twenty twenty two
• 55:29
  Speaker 17: draft and then the Trent Brown incentives this year. How
• 55:34
  Speaker 17: much do we trust Magro moving forward with this team
• 55:37
  Speaker 17: as a gm.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Well, did he draft Cole Strange? Yes, I don't know.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
• 55:44
  Speaker 8: I think we were at a place maybe the last
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: year where we were like, just let mac Row do it.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: And you know, the draft picks haven't worked out. They
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: haven't panned out. This I mean, Christian Gonzalez fell in
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: your lap, but otherwise you haven't really picked what you needed.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: So I don't know, I don't know.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: I h I like when the guys are done with us.
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree. I'm glad that the caller brought up
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: Macro because I feel like he's been absolved of blame
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: for all of this because Bill is Bill, and everybody
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: just assumes that everything is every decision is made it
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: is by Bill, and I don't necessarily disagree with that.
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: But at the same time, like I I do hold
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: a little bit against Macro that he's not a little
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: bit more.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: A report that Macro has more power than.
• 56:32
  Speaker 8: Yesterday, they asked Bill O'Brien about the Molik cunning the
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: Malik Cunningham elevation, and Bill O'Brien said that was a.
• 56:38
  Speaker 15: Matt and Bill thing.
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: So I think you said it, Bill O'Brien yesterday said
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: that was a Bill and Matt thing. As far as
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: promoting Milie Cunning, Okay, I think maybe he was extrapolating
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: a little.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Bit, right, Like making a decision to sort of elevate
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: a guy from the practice squad isn't necessarily he has
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: more power than you think. Like, whose decision was it
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: to say we didn't need to tackle in free agency?
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: Bill belichicks, this is what ends up happening traditionally when
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: things are going bad. Now, we haven't had a lot
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: of these because things haven't gone bad all that often
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: in twenty years, but when they do, personnel wise, this
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: is what happened. You know, it's not just all Belichick.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: You know, it's not all Bell. But but those same
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: kind of anonymous guys are quick to point out when
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: like they draft Nikkill Harry, that it wasn't the scouts
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: that identified Nikhil Harry. It was Bill who overruled the scouts, right,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: And he went to his college, his college coach buddy
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Todd Graham, and said, oh, yeah, this is the guy.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: He's a three down guy, he could be a four
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: down guy for you and contributing the kicking game, and
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah, all the scouts are very quick to
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: cover their you know what's that way. But when it's
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: something that you want to sort of trumpet in the
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: positive way, you know, it's not all Bill, Right, Bill,
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of this is going on right now.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: Everybody either wants credit for the things that are going
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: well or wants to separate themselves from blame from anything
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: that's not.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: You know, because all these guys are looking for the
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: next Yet.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Yes, they're all concerned about.
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: That, and like I'm like less worried about like who's
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: doing what and whose like responsibility is what? Then I
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: am like Macro. I know that Macro recognizes the way
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: that the game is played nowadays, Like I know he
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: sees the trending in a certain direction. I know that
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: he sees the value in number one receivers. I know
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: that he sees the value in offense. And like I
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: hold it against him that he didn't stand up to
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: Bill Moore, like you have to go in to every
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: once in a while, you got to tell the boss, hey, listen,
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: like this isn't gonna cut it, and like if you
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: think it is, then like that's on, that's on you.
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: But like this isn't.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: But who drafted Taekwon Thornton.
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that Macro is. I'm I'm blaming Macro
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: like I.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: Deserves more blame, yes, but for not speaking up and
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: just in general talking about.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Who the choice, who made the choice?
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but and I think he has I think he
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: has the final say and everything.
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: And then then add that to the like add that
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: to the Macro list. Like to me, I feel like
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: Macro deserves more criticism, whether you want to blame him
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: for evaluating talent in the draft or you want to
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: blame him for not, you know, sticking up to Bill
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: a little bit more. I at the end of the day,
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: like your name is on the team too. So if
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: you're you're looking at it and you tell me and
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: you tell the reporters, you know you want to draft
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: fast guys. You know want fast guys, draft fast guys.
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: You want you know, what's the number one receiver, Macro?
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: It's a guy that gets open no matter what. Do
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: you have one? Not really? So like why not? Like
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: you're the director of player personnel, Like you're telling us
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: in the in training camp that you're spending money now
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: that you know you're you're talking to us after the
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: the draft instead of Bill, So why not why why
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: don't they have a you know, better talent on offense?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: And I think it's and I also would put it
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: on and Cam Williams because like you're the younger guys here,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: Like you're the guys that are supposed to be able
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: to scout, you know, offensive talent. You're the guys that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: are like I was at Boston College's pro day with
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: Cam Williams and watching Zay Flowers and they didn't care,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: like they they didn't care, and it just so what's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: the disconnect there?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so that's a good one though, because you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: ended up hitting on that pick. So that's you know,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: you're gonna look at that down the road. You would
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: you rather have Zay Flowers? Well, Christian Gonzalez, why not both? Well,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: now you're talking about a different argument though.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: But it's just like they they don't they have no
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: sense of urgency whatsoever with upgrading the offense.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Now, my answer would have been Zay Flowers, by the way.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's but it doesn't like regardless, it's just they
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: just have no sense of urgency. So you're telling me that,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: all right, by the time they got to their pick
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: in the second round, there was no wide receiver tackle
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: word taking, So why did you stay there?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: And does draft Keon White, who's a great point is fine,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: but like, isn't gonna really move the needle.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: And just in full disclosure, I would not have said
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: Zay Flowers at the draft. I would have said Gonzales, Yeah,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: but because I wasn't a huge believer in Zay Flowers.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: But I'm just looking at the first half of this year,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: I look like I'm wrong.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, my concerns about him were size, so we'll
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: see how he holds up. But the guy can.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I think I would have been happy with either pick, right,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I knew more about Zay Flowers at the time. From
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: what I've seen from Christian Gonzales, I'm perfectly happy that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: they draft.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: You know, I am too, And I don't know how
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: you cannot think that they at least have a promising
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: player here.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: It's just the lack of Like I love Christian Gonzazi,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: all know that, but it's just the lack of urgency.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: Whatever avenue you want to talk about, the draft, free agency, uh,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: you know, trades, whatever. They just have no urgency to
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: like truly upgrade the offense. And I have to think
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: that that that's everybody is culpable in that, in my opinion.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, Mark sin Everett, what's up?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: Thank you, Freddie to take away a call.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 18: I appreciate it.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 18: And you guys know I.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Grew up whatever with PAULI.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 9: So we've seen some bad Patriots teams, and this is
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: a bad Patriots team. But uh, you know, I'm glad
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: you brought up mac Roll, Billy O'Brien, Troy Brown. There's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 9: a lot of coaches out there that the responsible for
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 9: what we see on the field week to week. It's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: not just Bill. And I wouldn't want to give up
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 9: Bill unless I knew who was coming in his place,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 9: even though he isn't a Marvel Levy here now. And
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 9: maybe it is typing to go, but we have to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 9: be careful who's we're going to bring in and under
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 9: all that pressure that they're going to come in with,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 9: it's gotta be someone who's really confident and knows what
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: they're doing, wouldn't you Green?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely? You know, you know everybody wants that next
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: young guy. But unless that young guy has already been
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: a head coach. You're taking a big risk.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: But I'm Robert Kraft and I've decided that Bill is
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: no longer the best guy for the job. Then I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: need to move on, and I have to hope that
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: I get it right. Right, Like, I don't just say
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: Mike is going to be a better experience guy. I
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: don't think that guy I have right now is working.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: I need to make a change. I don't have any guarantees. Listen,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: the guy who replaces him is going to work for.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: The same reason that Bill started looking in twenty fourteen,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: because of his age and his contract status with Brady.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I hope that the Crafts are because of Bill's age
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: and his status. That's a big part that they've been
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: doing their research. And if it happened today, they would
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: know the three guys or four guys who they want
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: to target.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: And just out of point of comparison, the last guy
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: that the Crafts fired was Pete Carroll. Has he done
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: since pretty good? Anybody regret it?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Pretty good? Nope?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: Nope, because you got a guy who was better, right, So,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: like you, you just have to make the move. And
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: obviously there's no chance of that happening with Belichick. You know,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: coming into next year, he'll be seventy two. He's not
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: going to have a twenty year career like Pete Carroll
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: has had.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: All right, Thanks, Mark, appreciate the call. Paul's foods here,
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  Speaker 15: joined by Faith Rorell, a recurring guest of the show.
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  Speaker 20: Yes, I keep getting it brought back.
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  Speaker 15: Okay, Faith, So the Patriots have put me and many
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 15: other people in a bad mood. And so this episode
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 15: for trivia and for the topic are going to be
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 15: not that Patriots focus because me, like a lot of people,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 15: I need a break. So Trivia, don't answer the questions.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 15: We're gonna take this to the movies, all right. Paul
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 15: likes this. Question one in the Longest Yard two thousand
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 15: and five with Adam Sandler, what was the final score
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 15: of the game? All right, meme Machine versus the Guards?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 15: The final score?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 20: Good question?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 15: Question two in the movie Remember the Titans, What was
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 15: the game winning play?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 20: Call?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 15: Question three in two thousand and six in the movie
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 15: Gridiron Gang, which air quotes actor played as the assistant coach.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 15: All right, the air quotes, there is your your little
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 15: uh clue, little hint, yeah hint. But Faith, as I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 15: said earlier, the Pats have been pissing me off. Sorry,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 15: I think I can say that. So we're gonna talk
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 15: about whatever he likes to talk about, including the guys
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 15: on unfiltered NFL jerseys all right, and one team made
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 15: a big return to the jersey scene with the Tampa
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 15: Bay Buccaneers debuting the return of the Creamsicle Yes jerseys
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 15: first time since twenty twelve, and Nike knocked it out
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 15: of the park with these.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 20: I know you think, but I was a big fan
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 20: of them. I really liked them. I was excited too
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 20: for the Vikings Classic to come back. Yeah, kind of simple,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 20: but I liked what they did, at least in content
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 20: to promote it. I love fun jerseys, like the more
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 20: the better, the more the better, keep it interesting. I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 20: mean the Eagles doing like their green, the Kelly Green. Like,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 20: I just think the more you have, the more you're
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 20: gonna get fans engaged. Obviously fans are gonna want to
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 20: buy it. Like I think we should do more city
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 20: jerseys similar to baseball and stuff. I feel like that
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 20: would be sick. But yeah, A big fan of the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 20: Bucks too.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 15: It uh yeah, I mean it just reminds me back
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 15: in nine it was like the something anniversary of the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 15: AFL and every team had two throwbacks and they had
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 15: them like three times and like most of them were.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 15: Like the Pats had our throwbacks, which I love those,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 15: by the way, It's the only thing I love about
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 15: the team right now. But we had the white ones.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 15: Those was great. They wore those a couple of times.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 15: You had the Reds, the Titans were wearing the Oilers jerseys,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 15: and you know, I mean faith we've been struggling as
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 15: Pats fans. Minus last year we brought back the Reds.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 15: The uh, it hasn't been great. It's not the team
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 15: with one one pair of pants, the one pair of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 15: pants team. You know, last year we saw the silver
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 15: Pants come back and that was a disaster for that game.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 15: Don't want to get into the sorry'm gaining salfty right now,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 15: getting worked up inner, Evan. But then the uh, you know,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 15: you just see teams like the Chargers, and I mean
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 15: last night they they played a close and with the Cowboys,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 15: or the Cowboys were in their throwbacks too, but I
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 15: mean my favorite jersey right now, and the Chargers don't
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 15: really have a throwback anymore. They just have the Powder Blues. Yeah,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 15: the Navies, okay, or I'm against us in twenty twenty yeah,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 15: or maybe it was twenty twenty or maybe it was
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 15: a Max rookie year. And I think those are like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 15: the cleanest jerseys.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I like them.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 20: I like them. I think like anytime you've got the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 20: All Navy. I'm not a fan of white football pants.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 20: I'm not a fan of the white pants. I feel
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 20: like the All Navy is a nice look. I even
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 20: I mean, I hate to give a shout out to
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 20: the Bills, but I like they're all red. I'm a
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 20: fan of the red.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 15: See I think they're too close to our reds.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 20: Well yeah, I mean we basically have the same red
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 20: other than obviously we have different blues. But I don't
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 20: know what are your thoughts on the Seahawks all Neon green.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 15: How do you feel like? I don't really like is
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 15: it so ugly it's good? Or is it just kind
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 15: of I'm thinking like the early like you know, twenty
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 15: tens when they when they debuted it. But what I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 15: do like about the Seahawks, which I don't think they
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 15: wore them yet, is there bringing back their nineties ones?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 15: I never saw those in person, or like, yeah, I
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 15: was too young to watch those, but that was from
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 15: the Bosworth days. I'm it was the bas Yeah, like
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 15: they have theirs also, Yeah, so the Greens. It's fun
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 15: because you know why not. That's the thing. That's why
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 15: the NFL is so strict about this, because you only
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 15: have so many games, you gotta wear the classic jerseys.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 15: I'm sure the contracts with Nike and stuff, but yeah,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 15: the more the merrier, I mean. Also give a shout
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 15: out to the Giants. Yeah, those the throwback helmet with
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 15: like the old Giants, Like yeah, yeah, it is just
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 15: the way to do it. I hope. I mean it's funny.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 15: I used to love when the Pats wore the color Rush, like, yeah,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 15: it was fun.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 20: Color Rush was a cool thing.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 15: But now it's too much. Yeah, it's like it's like
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 15: it's now it's like this is our jersey and I'm
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 15: like no, Like this was fun to where everyone. Thank go,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 15: Brady got to wear it once.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 20: But have you seen I know in the pro Shop
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 20: they sell black mac Jones jersey, Like do.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 15: It, just do it?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I would love it. I'm black.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 15: You can't go as a as a former soccer player,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 15: and like, so soccer teams they change jerseys literally every year,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 15: and they they'll do special there's so many games will
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 15: do special edition jerseys. Yeah, you get all black, like
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 15: it always look clean.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 20: Yeah, I think it would be fun. I mean I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 20: just think like fans love it, like it's fun to watch.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 20: Like I don't know, I like I there was one
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 20: time on the show that I do that we were
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 20: talking about just matchups that look nice, and I'm thinking
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 20: like Minnesota Vikings and Philadelphia Eagles, like you've got the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 20: teal and the black, then you've got the purple and gold.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 20: Like I don't know for people, especially like now, there's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 20: a lot of Swifties that watch football. You know, you
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 20: gotta watch an aesthetically pleasing matchup.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 15: Yeah, jerseys are great and also look good, play good, every.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 20: Good, feel good exactly.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 15: I'll never forget it was the Jets. I think it
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 15: was Bobby Anderson a couple of years ago before they switched.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 15: It was like I didn't even get it. I mean,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 15: first of all, on the Jets back in the day,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 15: I didn't even get it. Cited to uh put on
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 15: the jersey. Yeah, I think they got The Jets have
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 15: the green, the legacy one which Aaron Rodgers got heard in.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 15: Sorry about that, and they have the blacks. Still at
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 15: least they have options, like we like we wore the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 15: whites for the first time the season. Yeah, and like
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 15: we can't even I know you said you don't like
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 15: the white pants, but I mean even like you know,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 15: an all white look would be fine, just something like
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 15: even just from a from a content standpoint, like the Jags,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 15: like every.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 20: Thoughts on the Bengals the whites. The whites are giving
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 20: zebra I have to admit.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 15: But that's the thing you were at once a year
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 15: and it's like a special occasion.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 20: Yeah, I like, what was it Whatever game they had
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 20: last year was in the snow with the white That
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 20: was good. I think, like all like all of that
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 20: white was nice. With the jerseys, I think.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 15: All right, so before we wrap up, give me your
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 15: top three jerseys oh in the league. And also before
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 15: I do this, I forgot to mention on the trivia guys.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 15: This was for the game the game day posters, which
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 15: are sick. Yeah they're they're sick, guys, even though you
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 15: know the pasts aren't doing too well right now, Like
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 15: these artists went all out. They look really cool. Collect them.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 15: They're limited edition. So the trivia for today is the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 15: posters send those answers in the web. Radio at Patriots
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 15: dot com. But faith, give me your top three NFL
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 15: jerseys and I'll go real quick too. Then we'll go
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 15: back to the show.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 20: Oh okay, all right, So I really like the Carolina
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 20: Panthers colors. So I like when they're wearing black and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 20: you get they get like the sky blue color. So
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 20: I'll go with that as one. The Vikings Classic is nice.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 20: I'll go with as two. And then I hate saying it,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 20: but I like the Jets, like rebranding, like I'm kind
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 20: of a fan of their just like they're green with
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 20: like the your logo and stuff.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 15: Got those three, all right, I'm going with the Chargers
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 15: powder blue. Yeah, throw the Navy in there too. Just
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 15: Chargers know what they're doing.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: They do.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 15: Ah, it's tough. It's pretty similar. I'm a loop loop
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 15: put these two together. I'm gonna go with the Eagles
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 15: all black and the Ravens all black. I just think
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 15: they're very similar to the Birds.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 15: The Pats, the Pats red, Pats red, I love them.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 20: I love the Royal blue.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 15: All right, guys, thank you for listening. We'll be back
• 1:13:35
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• 1:13:39
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• 1:13:45
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  Speaker 2: Only and now great moments in.
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  Speaker 1: History.
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  Speaker 4: And neither was anybody saying that Cole Strange can't play.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: But they say he struggled as a rookie and he
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: was overdrafted Paul, and that's a bad pick.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Some people say it's a bust. Yes, it's not a bus.
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  Speaker 4: Year one was a bust.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what I just said.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: And you know it, Okay, Well, what do you think
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: is going to happen. I don't think he's gonna end
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: up being like a first round but I.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Think I think it's just as stupid to say I
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: know he's gonna be a pro bowler as I know
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: he's going to be a bust. Same way with Marcus Jones.
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  Speaker 4: It's not just as stupid to say the second part,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: because he was a bust in year one. He wasn't
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: anywhere near a force.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: So he wasn't a bust.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: He was fred Oh, come on for one year. Like,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that ends his story as a player.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't say, you said, but.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: In year one, he was in and out of the lineup.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Dude to performance and like the emailer said, we knew
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: he was going to struggle.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: No, I didn't. I don't pick first round picks as
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: plug and play guys that I know are going to struggle.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Listen, listen.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: Then it's a bad pick.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: One of the two has to be true.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll know it's a bad pick in a few years,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: but right now he can't say.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: This is my whole thing about offensive Lineman. It's not
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: why you can get away with taking offensive lineman because
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: no one will ever call him a bust.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: You just did.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: I will, but no one.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Paul is the only one.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: Now now he's going to completely change the narrative of
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: this argument. Be snarky, make fun of me. Everybody laughs
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: at him, and then we'll use people. Do not declare
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: offensive Lineman as readily bust you as Nikhil Harry. You
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: are not on It was Nikhil Harry a bust. You
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: was Nikhil Harry a bust? Okay? Was it okay to
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: call him the bust after one year?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, it was not consistent.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Tell you it's not okay.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: What do you think he's going to be cold, strange.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a fine NFL player.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, I don't.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 15: Okay, that's another great moment from.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: Oh boy, Why is every one of those great moments
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: in pf W history whatever? Like me and you just
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: bickering to a little.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Because we're the oldren. We're the only ones that have
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: you know what it takes, clearly what takes.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: I clearly won that one.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Well we'll see, but right now you're trending in the
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: right direct.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: My larger point, which you always ignore, is no one
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: calls offensive line because as long as they're in the line.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Well that's true.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: I say a win was a bust.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 8: It's just hard, not productive. They're not catching balls. It's
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 8: so easy to look at a wide.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: Receiver like he Ki Harry, everybody sorry, like he didn't
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: catch passes, nobody, he's a bust.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think. I don't think any guy that's
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: picked in the first round after one year to call
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: him a bus No, I agree generally, any I don't
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: care what is it.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: No, I think you deserve three years to sort of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: make a final determination. But I think people will look
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: at wide receivers and say like Taekwan Thowton, he's headed
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: toward bus category, right, But they won't do that for
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: an offensive lineman in the in the middle of the
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: second year, as long as he's playing.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, ain't playing, so.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: All right, show within a show, halftime pee, whatever you
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: want to call it. We did some trivia, gave away
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: some T shirts. The first question was in The Longest
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Yard two thousand and five film with Adam Sam what
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: was the final score?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: Didn't see? Didn't see? Did they change the game?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know the original Longest the Prison Show movie, right, yeah,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: it's the same move remakes. Burt Reynold, Yeah, Burt Reynolds, right, Yeah,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: what did you say, Paul?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: I wanted to say, like thirty three to thirty.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Close, thirty six, thirty five, thirty six, thirty Tyler in
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Providence got it. Good, Good job, Tyler. Second question was
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: what was the game winning play called? And remember the Titans?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, gosh, I don't know, Sunshine.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I remember fake twenty three blast with a backside George reverse.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know that, but I did ask Bill
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: Belichick about that.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: Do you mean you asked him about the word? Remember
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: the Titans movie.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I had much of menish. The trivia question, well,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: the winner was the story time.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: The winner was Jake from Saint Louis.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: Good job, Jake.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: And the final question was in the two thousand and
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: six movie. I'm sensing a theme here. In the two
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: thousand and six movie grid Iron Gang, what actor and
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: that's in quotes played as the assistant coach.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: I didn't know what that movie is.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: I didn't see Grid Iron Gang. What was it?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: What actor played as the assistant coach? And actors and
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: quotes so not to be like an actual player, and
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. The answer is exhibit, Oh exhibit
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: is that a rapper or something?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: I think okay. And the winner was Anthony Taylor.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: No relation to Fabulous.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Good job Anthony. I don't know if it's Anthony in
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Taylor or Anthony Taylor, but either way, good job.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: Oh Freddie.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: The other ones that had the where from?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: So remember the Titans was like northern Virginia, you know,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: early seventies, I'll say mid seventies, maybe early seventies, so
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: that's around where Bill grew up, you know, Innapolis area.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: And I asked him, so, you know, I assume that you're.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: I bumped into him and the elevator in a road game.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: That's how long ago, small talk time, Yeah, And I said, hey,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you something. I assume that you're
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: familiar with Herman Boone, you know, the coach that they
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: made the movie. He goes, oh, yeah, he was. He
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: was a big deal in high school. Circle is a
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: really big deal. And I said, so, please tell me
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: that it was. They used a little Hollywood license and
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: they didn't run the ball for seventy five yards for
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: the last play of the game for the winning touchdown.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: And he started, he had no idea, but it was
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: just like one of those deals, like, that's good, Paul.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: You know we're having well.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: I've had I've had my share. I've had my fair
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: share of those. A little cold today, huh yeah. But
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: I just thought that maybe he would know a little
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: bit something about the the actual season and how much
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: Hollywood took.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 15: Start breaking it down for you.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: What they did was, hey, guess who just stepped back
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: from some place we don't have We don't have the sound,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: no sound right, too many you sing.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: The song that's too many buttons Evan.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: But has returned if you're gonna I hate when they
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: get the words wrong.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: This is this is all right?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: What do we got, Evan?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 6: A little bit of a train anyways? Uh, A little
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: bit of a lengthy list still of absences at Patriots practice. No,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones, Kean White Hunter, Henry josh j, and Trent
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 6: Brown all missing from practice. We did see a juju
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: Juju Smith Schuster returns to practice. But yeah, those what
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: five guys? Yep, Jones, Kean, White Hunter, Henry josh J,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: Trent Brown.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: Juj not there return. Okay, Yeah, he was concussed.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: Now he is not.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: I'm glad he's not concussed anymore. In all since here.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: Well that's h Trent Brown though, huh yeah, no, Trent Brown.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: He'll be back.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he'll be fine. I agree to a.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: Million reasons for him to be back, right, Hunter, Henry,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: that's a that'd be a significant one too.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: So sixty one degrees out me, Yeah, nice day, nice day,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: pretty much the same weather we're going to have Sunday.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Is that.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 8: I've been keeping a close track on that because my
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 8: wife and kids are going to the game, and it
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 8: seems like cloudy and kind of cool. But maybe maybe
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 8: a little bit of chance of rain, but it doesn't
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: seem like any anything too crazy.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how was the media?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: You know what? A lot of a lot of disappointment
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: around the media right now.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: And I think that this is something you disappointed in
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: them or they they're disappointed, just.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: You know, general just disappointment.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: I didn't sign up to cover this team.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of people and I know
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: that Paul shows get this a lot that oh, you
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: must be happy that they're losing, Like no, like this
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: is kind of this is the total opposite. Like you know,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: obviously it's a little bit different for us, but.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: It's the dirty little secret of the media.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: And just in general, Like if there's if they're not winning,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 6: there's no interest in the team, And if there's no
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: interest in the team, nobody's reading your stuff. So whether
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: it's like because you have a little rooting interest or
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 6: it's because you just want people to pay attention to
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: the team, either way, losing stinks for everybody.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: It can work in a short term, but it is
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: absolutely a dirty little secret in the media, especially on
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: the radio. I think people would be shocked to find
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: out how much, you know, my shows care about wins
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: and losses in that regard because it's tough on ratings.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 8: I wonder, I mean, but we've seen engagement like people
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 8: want to call. I mean every time they post something
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 8: I write, it's like, you know, people are just yelling
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 8: at you.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: But I mean it's still engaged.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 8: Like I just wonder, we're five games or six games
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 8: into the season, whatever is it going to sustain that
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 8: or people going to start And.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: I agree one hundred per time with Paul, Like that's
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 6: what Paul I think is saying, is that, Okay, we
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: can do the hysteria thing for a couple of weeks,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: but once we get to December, you know it's gonna
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: be old talking about how bad they are every single day.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's gonna be intrigue. Yes, in what
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: this off season is going to look.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: If let's just say they go five and twelve, you know,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: just pick a record and then Bill ends up no
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: longer being the coach, we will have a ridiculously successful
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: offseason of shows for us. Oh yeah, selfishly, we will
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: have a tremendous amount of interest leading up to whoever
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: they hire. In the aftermath of who they hire, the draft,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: and what they're going to do how they're going to
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: remake the team, and it's going to lead us all
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: the way from February to training camp. We will have
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: no problems engaging our listeners.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be the search firm of Barth Lazarre.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 22: So you know, good, good law firm. Now, the only
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 22: thing about that is that will work this year. Go
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 22: five and twelve again, people stay because you probably got
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 22: a new quarterback and you got some newness. Do it
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 22: a third time and they say, yeah, all right, I
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 22: got other things to do.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: With my name.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: You can't lose consistently without losing fans.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Travis in West Virginia writes in at web radio at
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Patriots dot com just to offer an alternative opinion. I
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: don't like watching Josh Allen play. I think that style
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: of play is boring and I can't wait until defenses
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: in general wise up and learn how to prevent quarterbacks
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: like him from having success when they roll out of
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: the pocket. Also just figure it out also intellectually. Josh
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Allen is the male version of Jessica Simpson.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, oh, I thought that's my favorite Jessica Simpsons. I
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: think I'm sure it's the same guy too. That does
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: it every time.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 6: Triots fan Josh Allen's I mean, I look, I don't
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: know how you can. I think his playing style is boring.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: The guy plays balls on the wall every week.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: I think he's really being serious. Yeah, I mean the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: side of Mahomes. I don't really think there's a more
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: exciting guy to watch.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: I would say Mahomes is probably a little bit more
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: because he's he's faster.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: He's better, and he's better.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 15: Yeah, and he's just like.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: But I don't know how you could not like watching.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, aside against your team.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: It's maddening to watch when you're rooting for the defense
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 8: and you're like, we got him, we got him, we
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: don't got him.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: That.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, that just happens way too much.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Burton, Burton Island has a complaint to me, he said
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Fred this past Thursday during Picks, I did not detect
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: the usual paper rustling when you skipped over the Patriots game.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: It may seem like a small thing, but actually it
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: is things like this in these forlorn football times that
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: your faithful listeners want more than ever that's not want
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: with an oh, things like Gottahari and ahoy ploy and
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: when Evan returns from practice, I most definitely need to
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: hear Fred ask about the mood, and there was any
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: grousing thank you for your service Patriots Nation in these troubling,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: troubling times.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Attention to detail.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: So we're still on practice. Were they in pads?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: Yes, pads on Wednesdays has been a theme, yep. But
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: don't look too much into Tuesdays, Fred Tuesdays or just Mondays.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they say it, so they say.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: But yeah, Wednesdays or Wednesdays padded practiced today and big
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: emphasis on you know, early down offense and defense and
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: that sort of thing. Goal line, red zone type stuff too,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: a little bit, but yeah, big emphasis on first and
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 6: second down on Wednesdays.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: I think they've figured out on Tuesday how to get
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: an extra pat practice in.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and that's why I asked you off
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: air if like that is something that they have to
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: sort of run by the players sort of the CBA
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: on that one.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, eight five five past five hundred Radio
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com. Lots of emails. I really appreciate it,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: some of them silly, some not. This is a silly one.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: The decline of the Patriots can be attributed to one
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: exact moment in time, the twenty nineteen celebration for the
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Patriots last Super Bowl victory, when Rob Gronkowski used the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Lombardi Trophy as a baseball bat in dented it, angering
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: the football gods.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, maybe we could get one of those like things
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: where you like pull it out, you know, like on
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: a card dent.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: Ye reverse, the curse was that the one?
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: I thought it was before that.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: For some reason, I thought it was before too. But
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: I do like those kinds of I think I think
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: it might have been the fifty one one. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: because there was at Fenway Park.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 15: It wasn't here.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was the one he didn't even play
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: for that.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: That little video that we put up in twenty four
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: hours had two point four million views. Oh yeah, indent
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: indent it he did? Right?
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, I've seen it.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: I've seen it. Yeah. Michaels and Vermont. What's up, Michael, Michael? Michael?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Are you in Vermont? He's not there? All right, We'll
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: go to Jesse in New Bedford. What's up, Jesse?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 18: Hey?
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  Speaker 10: What's up?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 18: Guys?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Hey Jesse, Hey.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 10: How you doing. I'm gonna kind of talk to you
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  Speaker 10: guys about something. I came across something about X where
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  Speaker 10: I know everybody's down a mac. I know Evan, which
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  Speaker 10: I'm surprised that embraced the tank the other day. But
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  Speaker 10: I got a little things to compare with you guys,
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  Speaker 10: if you hear me out for a second. Yeah, Now,
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  Speaker 10: everybody was saying the same thing about Tua three years ago,
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  Speaker 10: and I'll give you the comparison they had. They had
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  Speaker 10: They had DeVante Paka as his number one receiver, He
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  Speaker 10: had Mike Hesecki as his tight end coach, Flores New
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  Speaker 10: England head coach as his head.
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  Speaker 18: Coach, Chadow Say was his OC.
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  Speaker 10: What did they do as the media, the fan base
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  Speaker 10: wanted to his head. They said he was gobbage, he
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  Speaker 10: was a bus What did they do the audience? He
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  Speaker 10: fires Flores, he brings in Mike McDaniels, he brings into
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  Speaker 10: he drafts buattles, they bring in Tyreek Hill, and all
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  Speaker 10: of a sudden he's an MVP candidate. So there's no
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  Speaker 10: way nobody can't tell me you cannot do that with
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  Speaker 10: Mac Jones. Where when they asked Jalen Wattle and the
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  Speaker 10: Vonte Smith who they were to have as a quarterback.
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  Speaker 10: Before he can even finish the question, they said, Mac Jones,
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  Speaker 10: I'm not saying he's playing great scene you can you
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  Speaker 10: can win this off. He can, he can elevate everybody.
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  Speaker 10: But he can do what Tua is doing. I know
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  Speaker 10: that for a fact.
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  Speaker 4: You don't know it for a fact because you've never
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  Speaker 4: seen him do it.
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  Speaker 1: But I haven't seen him do it.
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  Speaker 10: But I'm comparing it with Tua.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody is going, so I'll compare apples to apples with Tua.
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  Speaker 4: They were both at Alabama together with all kinds of talent,
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  Speaker 4: and Nick Saban didn't think it the way you do.
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  Speaker 4: And Brian Flores. Brian Flora's lost faith in Tua because
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  Speaker 4: he couldn't stay healthy and kept removing him from games.
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  Speaker 4: There's a difference between everybody wanted his head. That's not
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  Speaker 4: what happened. He couldn't stay on the field.
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  Speaker 10: But you you can't. You can't deny the similarities for
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  Speaker 10: the two quarterbacks and the situation and the mentality of
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  Speaker 10: the media and the fan base.
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  Speaker 4: All I can tell you is that deny it. Even now,
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  Speaker 4: there's a strong backing of mac Jones because he has
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  Speaker 4: nothing around him in Miami. They were all over to
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  Speaker 4: it because he couldn't stay healthy. No one ever said
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  Speaker 4: what you're saying about Tua. They're saying that he's not
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  Speaker 4: he's not the answer. He's too small, he's fragile. And
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  Speaker 4: I still think a lot of those questions exist for Tua.
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  Speaker 4: He's small, and he has a concussion history, and if
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  Speaker 4: I was Mike McDaniel, that would worry me. But when
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  Speaker 4: he's on the field and he plays, he's played well,
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  Speaker 4: and that was before he got all those weapons he won.
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  Speaker 10: All I'm saying is it just it goes a long
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  Speaker 10: way for the coach and the owner to build around
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  Speaker 10: your You've got to build a strength. Look what the
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  Speaker 10: delut Lamar Jackson. They builds around his strength. If you
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  Speaker 10: put Lamar Jackson and the Brady offense, everybody'd be calling
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  Speaker 10: him a boss who would just be a little bit
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  Speaker 10: different because he could run around a little bit and
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  Speaker 10: make place. All I'm the saying is build around.
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  Speaker 3: Your quarterback strengths.
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  Speaker 18: That's what they do with Tuaus.
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  Speaker 10: I'll look at him.
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  Speaker 1: I like the spirited defense, Thank you, Jesse.
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  Speaker 6: I don't disagree with like ninety nine percent of.
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  Speaker 4: What I think they should build around them. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: I just think that it's it's too far gone, like
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  Speaker 6: the moment, like the time has passed to do that.
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  Speaker 6: Like Tua was two years into his career and then
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  Speaker 6: in year three they made all of these changes and
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  Speaker 6: got them the weapons and got them. Mike McDaniel, you're
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  Speaker 6: going into your fourth mac Jones. You have to make
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  Speaker 6: a decision on his fifth year option. Then you're gonna
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  Speaker 6: have to extend him. And like I just I think
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  Speaker 6: that the leash has run out, like the rookie contract
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  Speaker 6: and all these things that we talked about maximizing, the
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  Speaker 6: leash has run out. So unless you're telling me that
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  Speaker 6: you're gonna be able to do all of those things
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  Speaker 6: in one off season, which Miami didn't do, by the way,
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  Speaker 6: because they drafted Jalen Waddle first and then they traded
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  Speaker 6: for Tyreek Kill the following off season. So now we're
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  Speaker 6: talking about doing all these things in Max's fifth year option,
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  Speaker 6: and we're talking about, well, if he plays while we're
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  Speaker 6: paying him forty five million dollars a year, and then
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  Speaker 6: what happens. So I just think that your your clock
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  Speaker 6: has run out on trying to do it the two away,
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  Speaker 6: which is the most disappointing.
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  Speaker 4: Part, and I would agree like they should do more
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  Speaker 4: to get more around Mac Jones.
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  Speaker 6: Or the next guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, oh yes, I'm all for trying to get better
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  Speaker 4: on offense. I'm not arguing with that part of it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying this, Like a lot of Patriots fans,
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  Speaker 4: this Jesse in New Bedford is completely dismissing to his
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  Speaker 4: role in their success. And I think that the guy
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  Speaker 4: is pretty good. I think he is clearly better than
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  Speaker 4: Mac Jones.
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  Speaker 15: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: I think he was better than Mac Jones in college.
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  Speaker 4: He's better than Mac Jones and the pros.
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  Speaker 5: I agree one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I just I don't know why Tua has
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  Speaker 8: this relationship. I think everything you said was true. Concussion
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  Speaker 8: history certainly, but he's He's done more for me than
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  Speaker 8: I've ever seen mac Dow with some of the passes
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  Speaker 8: that he's made that just leave me shake in my head.
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  Speaker 4: He's an excellent they have excellent weapons. It's just undeniable. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Wattle Hill is an MVP guy. Wadle and Hill are tremendous.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have a good offensive line. I mean, the
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  Speaker 4: one guy they brought in for the offensive line really
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  Speaker 4: hasn't played at trond Armsteed. He's been hurt. They brought
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  Speaker 4: in Isaiah Win. That was the guy you couldn't wait
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  Speaker 4: to get rid of.
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  Speaker 1: I think you know Tua, Like I said, he's really
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  Speaker 1: impressed me. The accuracy, the anticipation. I compare it a
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  Speaker 1: little bit to Drew Brees. He's really done well. And listen,
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  Speaker 1: look at what he did at Alabama. You know when
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts wasn't playing well in that championship game and
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  Speaker 1: they put him in at halftime and he wins the
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  Speaker 1: game for.
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  Speaker 4: Them as a freshman without having played.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's that's big balls right there. I mean, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but that's that's something.
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  Speaker 4: Now. We can all argue how good would mac Jones
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  Speaker 4: be if he had weapons? And I think that's a
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  Speaker 4: legitimate He would be bad conversation, and I think he
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  Speaker 4: would be better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he would look like tour Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not even sure he would look like Brock Purdy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he'd be better.
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  Speaker 4: There's no doubt he'd be better.
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  Speaker 1: How good would he be though?
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  Speaker 20: Is he?
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  Speaker 1: Is he the guy that Evan says you want to
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  Speaker 1: extend and pay forty five million dollars, And.
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  Speaker 4: That's the big question. Evan's got that that's what you're
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  Speaker 4: gonna have to do, has like you have to figure
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  Speaker 4: out what you're going to do down the road.
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  Speaker 6: Now, I'm just worried that it could it be better?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely will it will be better. It would be better,
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  Speaker 6: no doubt about it. But I I worry about like
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  Speaker 6: the David Carr thing, like, have they just ruined him?
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  Speaker 20: Right?
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  Speaker 6: And at that point it could it will look better
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  Speaker 6: because the playmakers will elevate him and make plays for him.
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  Speaker 6: But is he ever going to be good enough to
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  Speaker 6: get it to that next step? Or you know, can
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  Speaker 6: he be put back together mentally physically, you know, his
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  Speaker 6: his footwork, his processing, like his decision making, like.
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  Speaker 4: His attitude right, everything that goes into it. Like I
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  Speaker 4: think sometimes some quarterbacks are made to look better than
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  Speaker 4: they are because they're just loaded with intangibles. And I
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  Speaker 4: think his intangibles aren't great. You can't quantify it. But
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that his handling of the adversity over
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  Speaker 4: the last year plus now has been great. It's not
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  Speaker 4: what you're looking for from your quarter The.
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  Speaker 1: Sad thing about it is the one thing that they
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  Speaker 1: said that he had in that quarterback class was the
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  Speaker 1: pro readiness and you know the ability, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: cerebral part of it. And I think, but we're not
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  Speaker 1: seeing that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, I think that's what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 1: Happy feet under pressure and.
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  Speaker 4: He's not down. Now that's physical.
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  Speaker 1: But not surveying the field and that whole thing.
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  Speaker 8: But I think broke back Mountain, Oh you blow it,
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  Speaker 8: my my one chance.
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  Speaker 4: I just say, it's why you have to be like
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  Speaker 4: Fred and practice in front of a mirror.
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  Speaker 8: Paul appreciate, though, I mean with two of The funny
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  Speaker 8: thing for me is like I just honestly had to
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  Speaker 8: get used to watching him play lefty, like a lefty quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Because we're gonna have Michael Pennance next year.
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  Speaker 8: Like that like took on, like just it looks weird,
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  Speaker 8: but somehow the ball is exactly where it needs to be.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's it's crazy that that.
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  Speaker 8: Video they have online where they flipped it and they
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  Speaker 8: like put a mirror of him thrown right and looked
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  Speaker 8: perfectly phenomal.
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  Speaker 4: That blew my mind. Part of I do think that
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  Speaker 4: what McDaniel has done McDaniels mc daniels, I think it
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  Speaker 4: is very much catered to his skill set too, Like
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  Speaker 4: it's one thing to have these great weapons, what's wrong
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  Speaker 4: with that? But he I think that the things that
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  Speaker 4: they accentuate in that offense are things that he does
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  Speaker 4: really well. Yeah, and I don't think just anybody would
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  Speaker 4: do it. I'm not telling you he's the only guy.
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  Speaker 4: He's not the most talented quarterback out there, not not
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  Speaker 4: by a long shot. But I think that he's undersold
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  Speaker 4: a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: I just in his first two years in the league.
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  Speaker 6: I never looked at Tua and said, oh, he's broken,
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  Speaker 6: Like his footwork's all over, the decision makings all over
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  Speaker 6: the place. He just consed he had he's yeah, he
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  Speaker 6: had some durability issues and like physically he's not like
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  Speaker 6: the cyborgs that I talk about, like the Allen's and
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  Speaker 6: the mahomes Is and the Herberts, and so he didn't
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  Speaker 6: have the talent around him, and he was kind of
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  Speaker 6: just like you know, it just didn't It wasn't as
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  Speaker 6: explosive or as dynamic. But I had never watched him
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  Speaker 6: and thought, like, he doesn't know where to go to
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  Speaker 6: the with the ball. His decision making is broken, Like
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  Speaker 6: I those are the things that I see with Mac
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  Speaker 6: right now that I don't think Tua ever got to
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  Speaker 6: It just wasn't. It just had a ceiling with what
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  Speaker 6: they had with Tua in the first couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the phones. We'll go to Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Tony's there. What's up Tony?
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  Speaker 23: Hey, guys, how are we doing?
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  Speaker 4: Good time?
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  Speaker 23: First time?
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  Speaker 4: Thanks nice?
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  Speaker 23: So wanted to I just had one kind of quick question. Okay,
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  Speaker 23: brought up the more things to touch on, So just
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  Speaker 23: kind of touching on what you guys are just talking about.
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  Speaker 23: I do think Mac is ruined mentally now. And I
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  Speaker 23: think it happened that night against the Bears, when you know,
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  Speaker 23: the whole crowds cheering for is happy to come back.
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  Speaker 18: In and to douce.
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  Speaker 23: You know, are we having fun yet? How much fun
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  Speaker 23: is this rebuild?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, we can get we can move on.
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  Speaker 4: I'm the only one I didn't.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't think it was going to be I didn't
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  Speaker 8: think it was going to be this miserable. I didn't
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  Speaker 8: think it'd be this pleae.
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  Speaker 5: But but hey, but hey, real quick, stop, real quick?
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  Speaker 1: Are you are you?
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  Speaker 5: Would you be excited new coach Top five pick?
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  Speaker 15: Would that?
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  Speaker 5: Would that be fun for you at all. Are you
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  Speaker 5: gonna be miserable through that too?
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  Speaker 23: Oh, I'd be with it. I'd be with a long
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 23: term rebuild too. I'm fine with being terrible for a while.
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  Speaker 23: You know, at the time that they let Brady go,
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  Speaker 23: I was kind of, you know, not that I wanted
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  Speaker 23: Brady to go, but I was kind of with you
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  Speaker 23: that it was you know, an exciting you know, let's
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  Speaker 23: see what happened.
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  Speaker 1: He was actually with you.
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  Speaker 4: It was with you.
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  Speaker 23: Yeah. And I also I was the Anthony in Taylor
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  Speaker 23: who won the trivia questions can confirm I'm not in Taylor.
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  Speaker 23: I'm in Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, big day for you.
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  Speaker 4: Don't The last the actual question that I had was,
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  Speaker 4: so do you think the current state of the team.
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  Speaker 23: Is due to Bill thinking that he's actually making the
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  Speaker 23: correct move to build a competitive team in the modern NFL?
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  Speaker 23: Or the pressure from Robert to field a consistently competitive
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  Speaker 23: team and get back to the playoffs kind of you know,
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  Speaker 23: made Bill say, well, I'll just do all these stop
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 23: gap findings and these band aid veterans, and you know,
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  Speaker 23: we're such we'll coach them up to be playoffs competitive.
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  Speaker 23: But he actually knows thee down that this isn't a
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  Speaker 23: team that's talented enough to compete, and so I'll just
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  Speaker 23: leave it at that and take it off.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it's a fair question. Like so his ownership, you know,
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  Speaker 1: still in win now mode, and he's making moves to
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  Speaker 1: try to appease that while also looking to the future,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, to in spite of the future. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, you know, you know, like then why would
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  Speaker 1: you draft a guard in the first round?
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  Speaker 20: Right?
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  Speaker 9: You know?
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  Speaker 4: Why? You think? You know? Do you think? You know?
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  Speaker 4: We don't know, obviously, But I'm asking what people think
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  Speaker 4: that going into this season in training camp. Do you
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  Speaker 4: think Bill said this is not a contender in his mind? No, No,
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  Speaker 4: I think he felt like they could. I think Roberts'
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: comments in the off season would certainly indicate that they
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: felt they were better than most people thought they.
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  Speaker 1: Were going to be.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, right, So I don't I don't look at either
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  Speaker 4: side of that. I think Bill obviously is seventy one
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  Speaker 4: years old, he has some urgency to win, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and Roberts in his eighties, you know, he probably would
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: like one more shot, yeah, you know, before he turns
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  Speaker 4: it over to Jonathan. So I can understand both of
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: those guys still being in win now mode and it
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: just hasn't been a great rebuild from from Brady.
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  Speaker 8: Yep, it's the draft picks and I mean it's just
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  Speaker 8: I don't I mean, I think we have a lot
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  Speaker 8: and there's a lot in this question.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's good.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, it was good to chew on, you know,
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  Speaker 8: I mean I think some of it I almost connect to,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: like Nikhil Harry of it all, where it's you know,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 8: going with him over the AJ Browns or the debos
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: of the world, like that signifies the big guy and
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 8: what we want. And then you have the Edelman comments
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 8: of like he didn't look like a first rounder and
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 8: so it's you know, to me, I find in my
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  Speaker 8: thought process going to like, was he too attached to
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 8: an old style and should he have been more had
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 8: more foresight into what direction the league was going and
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 8: has been going for a long time, frankly, you know,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 8: and that they were able to, you know, as everybody says,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 8: use the human spackle to kind of keep you in
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 8: those shootouts when they did happen against Kansas City, and
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 8: you know, you knew you had that gear in the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 8: back pocket because you had Tom. But you know, really,
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  Speaker 8: if you stuck another quarterback in there, would you have
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 8: really had that gear in those games?
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, maybe you would have won other games
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  Speaker 1: where you're able.
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  Speaker 8: To tough guys out and we're running over them and
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 8: those kind of things. But you know, I think that
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  Speaker 8: that's what it really boils down to. As much as
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  Speaker 8: Tom covered up a lot, I think it really came
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  Speaker 8: to the forefront when you got in those games where
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 8: you had to score a lot of points and.
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  Speaker 1: He just went perserved. But in terms of the rebuild
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: that he was talking about. You know, I remember before
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Tom left, but toward the end we would have the discussion.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: People would say, Brady Lee, you're gonna suck, and we're like, maybe,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't have to be that way. You know,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: when you lose your best quote that you don't have
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: to suck there, you know, you there is it the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: other alternative road that you go down where you're okay,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: like you not as good as you were when you
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: had the greatest player ever, But it doesn't necessarily mean
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: you have to suck.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: I would say people that that said that at the
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: time probably looked at the roster and said, this is
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: a guy who's dragging every ounce of success team.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: But maybe you know, okay, we can't rely on the quarterback.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: We need to boost the roster. Unfortunately, the series of
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: you know, things that have happened since Brady left have
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: been bad moves and right, you know, I mean, but
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: focal point, but think about think about Dominic Easily that
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: was terrible while Brady was here, and they overcame it.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: You know, I got such a good point.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 8: No, we couldn't write it, but I feel like you
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 8: could write this as just through the lens of his
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 8: first round picks. Go right through those first round picks
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 8: from like whatever fifteen sixteen seven, chart that and say
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 8: why did they pick this guy? What direction was the
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 8: league headed, and what did he give them? And you know,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 8: I think that that. I mean, I don't want to
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 8: pound the draft too, because it's like you have to
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 8: be able to hit in free agency. But I just
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 8: think that the selection of Isaiah Win, an undersized guy
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 8: that might be a guard, a running back, Sony Michelle,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: not even that explosive argument.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: That they missed every year since high Tower in Jones
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: until Gonzales.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then he got hurt before again.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: And then he got hurt.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it, you know.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: And they're not all like colossal, like Dominic Easley was
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: a bust, right, you know. Malcolm Brown played but I
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: would say, man, that's a miss. You know. Isaiah Win played,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: but I would say that's a miss, you know, And
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: then NI kill Harry bust. There is no other definition.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 8: It's like other than high Tower and Jones. Like the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: real game changers that they got over the years were
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 8: kind of dumb luck, but somewhat just dumb luck, like
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 8: Gronk worked out, Edelman worked out.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: Like That's what I always wonder if it is right.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 6: It's like what would have happened in the twenty tens
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 6: if Edelman doesn't come out of nowhere as a seventh
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: round pick and Gronk's back doesn't hold up as long
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 6: as it did, And like they are in a situation
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: like would they then have gone after weapons? Like would they?
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: And like they did make the Brandon Cooks trade, I guess,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: but like then they got rid of him the very
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 6: next year instead of giving him a contract extension, So
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 6: like would they have been more aggressive like they and
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 6: they got I don't want to use the word lucky
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 6: with Gronk because that they identified him in the second
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 6: round and they drafted him in the top fifty, and
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: they they made the pick.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: But and I get what what Mike is saying. Yeah,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: like a lot of other people, I did that too,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: but couldn't pick a right. They didn't have Bill's.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 6: Gravity right, and like a bunch of like you know,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 6: if that is like what they're trying to do again now,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 6: is like they're hoping that the Mario Douglas hits in
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 6: the same round or Taekwon Thorton hits in the second round,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 6: and these picks are not working out, and it just
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: it does you don't just always stumble into it that way,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 6: Like it doesn't always just like it's not going to
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 6: always work out for you that way.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: I think you got a little glimpse of it in
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 8: early twenty thirteen, where after Welker had left and you
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 8: had Gronk coming off an injury, so I don't think
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 8: he was available.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: Early in the season.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 8: You brought in Amandola, who got banged up in that
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 8: first game where they pulled out a miracle against the Bills,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 8: and Edelman wasn't Edelman yet and you saw like who
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 8: they were bringing in.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: Tompkins, You drab Thompson, you pick up Kemberrell Tompkins. Who's
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: the guy with the Colts, guy with the with the
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: advisor that he played a little bit in twenty thirteen,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: Austin Cawley.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 8: You know, like, I think you're right, Evan in that
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 8: if those guys hadn't emerged, if Gronk hadn't come back
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 8: and given them what he gave them in you know,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 8: twenty fourteen, twenty sixteen, or twenty fifteen, you know, those
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 8: those ones where he was such a big part of
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 8: the championship. I think it would have been similar to
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 8: this pretty quick by like fourteen fifteen if you don't
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 8: have Edelman and Ammadola and those guys emerging.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 6: And I just think, like the landscape and this is
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 6: like where my whole thing comes in, with like the
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 6: the of that, you know, the approach, the philosophy. You know,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 6: guys like a Gronkowski that are that talented and that
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: good that they go so much earlier now and they're
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: worth so much more to teams like you don't you
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 6: don't just get Julian Edelman in the seventh round anymore,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 6: like that just doesn't normally happen like it does because
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: receivers go much earlier in the draft because they're more
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: valuable in today's NFL. Or if you know, you have
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: guys like that like Edelman and Gronk, you know, signed
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 6: that contract to what like right when he was eligible,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 6: right like two years into it or something like that
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: like that, like Gronkowski in today's NFL is twenty five
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 6: million dollar player. Like that, They're not gonna pay Gronkowski
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 6: twenty five million dollars a year and.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: So like the often overlooked portion of this, right, So.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: Like all those guys and I think, uh mister Krafflick
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 6: even said it on like that that recent news interview
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 6: radio interview he did recently about you know how Brady
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 6: did take less money to play for the Patriots to
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 6: like that doesn't that's not happening anymore. Like all these
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: guys are getting paid top dollars. So if Gronkowski, if
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: you fast forward his career ten years later, like are
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: the Patriots paying him thirty million dollars a year to
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 6: catch passes?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: Does he get to a second contract?
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up Eldred, Hey lady, now.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: Actually face Yeah, welcome to my world.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 18: I've been staying there for years. And Paul, I love
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 18: you and bread fight on a great Mama the pu. Yeah,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 18: but you're right, Paul, You're right about strange. I called
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 18: him a bus y'all laughed at me. I called him
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 18: a bus day one of.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: The draft, fairness Sandy, and I called him a bu
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: during OTAs of his rookie year. Wow, we were as
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: soon as he couldn't move, yeah.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 18: Could move right, he couldn't catch, he couldn't get over,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 18: and then he can't get over in the NFL. That's
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 18: what I kept saying. But my question is this. Okay,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 18: nobody ever thought about this one though. But let's say
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 18: end of the year, mister Craft tells h phoeb, you
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 18: got another chance to do this with drafted in the
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 18: top five.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: Well you think he do with that pick?
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 18: I'm gonna tell you what I know.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: You'll do.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 18: Pray down to get back you picked if they give
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 18: you the team up from there. That's my that's my object.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 18: What do you think he'll do?
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Well, Aldred, would you
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: be pissed if he did that?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 18: I'd be pissed as hell. Yeah, of the whole thing.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 18: And I'm like you, Fred, I'm not killing me. Paul
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 18: teared down, start over scratch, you know, none of his system,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 18: none of that. And Evan, I agree with you can
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 18: get him the top five quarter back. He won't trade him,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 18: right because he ain't treated what you god right. And
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 18: and like I said once, y'all laughed at me about this,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 18: what a great quarterback leaves the team? And I gave
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 18: you five examples. The team always goes down and the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 18: coach still be there and it's still it's the quarterback,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 18: not the coach. Y'all laughed at me. But proof and
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 18: the proof pulling cowboys did it. Seems he went through
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 18: it until they got being dolphin's going through it. Cowboys
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 18: didn't be back yet, you know, so proof in the pudding.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: Thank you?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks Elgrin. Well, you can't argue.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: Right, I am definitely worried about not just like the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: coaching of the quarterback himself, but is he just going
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: to put the next quarterback in with Vederian Low as
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: his right tackle and DeVante Parker as his number one
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: receiver and like just do the same roster building around
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: the quarterback all over again, because that's what you're doing.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: If you draft another quarterback, you're hitting the reset button
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 6: on the whole thing, like you're restarting the clock on
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: the rookie contract and you're starting from scratch. And I
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: have like more confidence in him coaching the quarterback and
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 6: doing the whole like you know, Belichick, you know magic
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: eight ball thing of like what's gonna have you know,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: what the defenses are gonna do, and this, that and
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: the other thing. But like, is he gonna put the
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 6: talent around the quarterback necessary for Drake May to succeed
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 6: or Michael Pennix to succeed like he didn't with Mac,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: So like why am I believing that he will?
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 8: I don't know where they're gonna end up, but I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 8: just I feel like there's gonna be so much more
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 8: to put together, put back together than just Mac or
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 8: the quarterback.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: Or you know, like it's if this season continues on
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: this trajectory, you're gonna have to restore trust, restore belief.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: In the system.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 8: And it's just it's hard for me to see how
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 8: that happens unless there's significant moves made.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: Spein Fresno writes in Fred asked Christian and Attleborough, is
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: this Chris with a tim? The poor guy says yes,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: because that's how his name is spelt, and Fred's like, no,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: it isn't. Absolutely Evan has mentioned tanking happens from the
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: GM on up. Frankly, I have no idea what's in
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Bill's head. Maybe Bill is so confident that he believes
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: he has time to rebuilding. It's still catch shula. Maybe
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: his contract allows for such a scenario in ways we
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's highly unlikely Bill is tanking.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: But if he was, wouldn't it look much like it does?
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: What moves on or off the field. Do you look
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: at and say, if they were tanking, you wouldn't expect
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: to see that. I'm seeing more that fits a tank
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: than doesn't. But of course it could just be that
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: the program sucks.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 15: Now.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 6: I think that's like the only way that you can
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 6: look at it in a positive light is that he
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 6: knows that they were going to be bad, and so like,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 6: you know, starting Vederian Lowe at right tackle and not
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 6: doing anything to make it better.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: Again, I don't I don't think that there they have
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: a lot of telltale signs of tanking because and I've
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: gone through this ad nauseum, it's not an effort thing.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: It's a personnel thing. So I'm not going to go
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: through that whole thing. But I think they still tend
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: to you know, like first month of the season, Adrian
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: Phillips wasn't playing that much and all of a sudden
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: he's playing more and Mapu plays nothing. Like I think
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: you would be turning it over or as many times
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: as you could to young unproven players when you had
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: an option if.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 6: Those young unproven players are better, Like what if you
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 6: think they're better in practice than those.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: So now you're going deep dive.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: I listen.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: I don't because this is.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 6: Because like to the was it Speed or whoever emailed
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 6: and that said that, Like that's that's when I say
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 6: that tanking starts at the top, Like those are the
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 6: types of decisions that you make where it's like, you know,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: we're not we're not playing the best players or we're
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: not getting the best players because you're because.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: You know what else you're not doing. You're not immediately
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: activating a veteran like Riley Reef of off of IR
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: if you're tanking.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: No I don't think the Patriots are tanking.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: No, No, I'm just saying like that's those are the
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: examples I'm talking about, Like if you're tanking, yeah, Verderian
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: Lowe's playing, but you you would have found a way
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: to get Tyrone Wheatley on the field too, and you didn't.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: And you know, listen, it's a flawed roster. So there's
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: not a lot of examples. Arizona got rid of everybody
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: and they just let all of these on even guys play.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: They have guys that have never even heard of playing
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: in Arizona, like literally names I don't even remember going
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: through in the draft process. I'm sure you and Alex do. No,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: I'm making fun of you. You definitely have a wider
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: breath of prospects than I do. But I don't even
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: remember these guys in like these recent drafts.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: Is there a financial component?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 8: Who do you think of like guys who have certain
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 8: playing you know, playtime things or escalators or are we
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 8: now like.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: So Trent tan Brown would be one of those guys,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: Like you're not going to bench him and then subject
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: yourself to that criticism if he's healthy, you know, if
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: he's not healthy, he's not healthy, that's different. But he
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: has played playtime incentives that you know, you owe it
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: to him to give him an opportunity to reach.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. Dan's in Michigan. What's up, Dan?
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 24: Hey, guys, we expected, the wide spread expectation with our
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 24: Brian coming in was the offense would be better. Obviously
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 24: has not.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 17: Now.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 24: Some of that obviously is due to the paces that
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 24: are involved, but it seems that it goes beyond the
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 24: paces in terms of Brian not having as much success
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 24: as we expected. You know, there's been some decision making
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 24: that's questionable, you know, throwing it on third, second and
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 24: third and short, running for it on third and long,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 24: you know, second and third and long. Why do you
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 24: think that O'Brien hasn't had more of an impact on
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 24: the offense. Why we haven't seen more success, more of
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 24: the success that we expected from him.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: I just think it's simply talent players.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I actually, like I I think we get
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 6: like not to pick on Dan, but like I think
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 6: we get way too caught up in play calling, like
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: you know, like I think it matters in certain spots
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: of the game and certain moments of the game and
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 6: things like that, but like everybody gets all you know,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 6: Alex and I argue, boy, this on catch twenty two
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 6: all the time. Why are they throwing it on third
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 6: and one? Well, because they got a look that makes
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: it that say that throwing it here is better than
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 6: running it Like it's not.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we haven't really got had a enough to judge
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: O'Brien on like those moments. Yeah, like right now, the
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: talent is just not good enough.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think now you need to see him though,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 8: start to maybe just try to figure out a way
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 8: to manufacture points.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: Can I go Billy o apologist for a second?
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: And I listen, it is what it is. They haven't
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: been any more successful offensive with than they were last year.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to use Revision's history, but I do
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: think that they they have faced a fair amount of
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: really good defenses so far, and it's a small sample
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: because you only played six games. Sunday was the first
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: game that I thought, really, you know, in the last
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: five Philly, I thought it was a promising start. Then
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: they kind of went. But Sunday I thought it looked
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: a little bit more like Okay, I saw some of
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: these games last year and not coincidentally, he was against
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: the first defense. You know, it was the Raiders this year,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: it was Detroit last year. You know, those are the
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: you know, the Green Bay had a terrible defense last year.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: When they played him early in the year, they kind
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 4: of got better. I think, you know, seventeen twenty four points,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: that's kind of what they've been. Yeah, now the threes
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: and the zeros, like, what are we doing? But Dallas
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: and New Orleans are pretty good defensive and now he
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be shut yet. I'm not trying to. I'm only
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: apologizing so far. But I do think if they played
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: that caliber of defense on a regular basis last year,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: you would have had some really really bad games, just
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: like you did.
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  Speaker 6: I think the design of the offense, too, like is
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 6: just significantly more advanced and better. Like I'm not even
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 6: just talking about like necessarily like the actual play design itself,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 6: but just like the answers involved in the offense, like
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 6: you know, the answers for the quarterback, like that, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the throat to Zeke on Sunday where they get a
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: blitz and they block it incorrectly, but he still has
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 6: a hot to get the ball out and so he
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 6: doesn't get destroyed. You know, the answers for the receivers,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: the stacks and the bunches and the motions and like
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 6: things like it's definitely just a completely different conversation. The
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 6: one thing that I like think that Billy O hasn't
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 6: brought it back is like the discipline, like in terms
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 6: of you know, like running routes correctly all the time,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: you know, the penalties, this procedural stuff like you know,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 6: he said it on Tuesday, and I thought both of
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 6: his answers are really good. And you know, he said
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 6: he called the start of the game with the two
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 6: penalties ridiculous, and like you could tell that it was
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 6: just like he wanted to use a different word, but
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: he used ridiculous and then he used the delay. He said,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 6: the delay of game on the last drive of the
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 6: game was terrible, and he was like, those are things
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 6: that we just absolutely have to stop doing.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: Mark's in San Francisco. What's up, Mark, You're the last caller? Yeah, Hey,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: so okay.
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  Speaker 25: A new to team that is experiencing, thinking or talking
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 25: about tanking, so for would be maybe very basic question,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 25: but I think a lot of you know, be right,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 25: and people talk about trading them, trading away pretty much everybody,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 25: And I was just wondering what the point is of that,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 25: or no one's talking about, you know, keeping foundational players. Well,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 25: I understand, you know, get rid of an expensive player,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 25: but we have a lot of cap space next year
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 25: and so, and we need good players if you're you know,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 25: want to continue, you know, try to be good in
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 25: the future.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: So I guess I, well, it depends on who you're
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: talking about. Like, if it's a good player who is
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: at the end of the contract, you're like, okay, is
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: this guy going to be the long you know, part
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: of our foundation. So it's and it's not so much
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: freeing up cap space money, it's getting draft assets. So
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: even if they're fifth round picks, sixth round picks, you're
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: building ammunition in the event that you want to move
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: up and make a move.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: So in Mark, one of the things is a lot
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: of people myself included in all of us on the show,
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: we give a long list of names of possibilities, you know,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: the Hunter, Henry's, the Kyle Duglas, the Jalen Mills, is
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: josh Us right, Kendrick Bourne. I don't think anybody would
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: suggest they're going to trade like a half dozen players.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: You take out of that group one maybe two, And
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: as Fred said, if you can get a sixth round
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: pick and then you you know, so you add you know,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: two or three Day three picks, maybe you can package
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: those and get into Day two with them somehow, you know,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: Like I think that's the thought process. But no one
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: would would suggest they're going to take all of these guys,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: all entering the last year of their contract and trade
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: them all because you're not going to get anything for
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: all of them. And it's not really just.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 6: Like if a team, a contender like you know, Kansas
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 6: City needs receiver help or something like that, calls and
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 6: offers you a second round pick for Kendrick Bourne, you
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 6: have to do it, like you have to take that.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: Trade some team that might just look like they need
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: some depth and pass rush goes for OOJ.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: And and those are the kinds of deals I think
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: would make some sense. The one guy that I think
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: could get you some unfortunately, is hurt. Like if you
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: wanted to trade Judon, yeah, I think you might be
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: able to get something for him, but that's going to
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 4: be an offseason trade if they do.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: All, right, that's going to do it for this edition
• 2:00:10
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• 2:00:14
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• 2:00:16
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