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Jaguars Reporters: Monday, March 21 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It's a different free agency class in this sense. These
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Speaker 1: are better, more impactful efforts they was made in free
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Speaker 1: agency last year. Welcome to Jaguars Reporters presented by t
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Speaker 1: I A A Bank with Brian Sexton, John Oshan, Ashlyn
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Speaker 1: Sullivan and j P. Shadrack. Jaguars Reporters presented by t
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Speaker 1: I A A Bank starts right now. Welcome into Jaguars Reporters.
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Speaker 1: Today is Monday, March one. J P. Shadrick, Ashland Sullivan,
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Speaker 1: John Osan, Brian Sexton had to check the date real quick.
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Speaker 1: This month is flying by the start of the league
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Speaker 1: year is here and reactions after the first wave of
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Speaker 1: free agency, the Jaguars have doled out one fifty five
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Speaker 1: million guaranteed dollars in the first big seven names signed. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think the big thing is that that's a lot
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Speaker 1: of money going out the door. Secondly, it's a culture shift.
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Speaker 1: That's the idea for head coach Doug Peterson, especially with
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Speaker 1: the story we see in the athletics came out earlier
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Speaker 1: today of what happened in the past season here. They
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Speaker 1: want to get us far away from that kind of
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Speaker 1: situation as they can. But it starts John when you
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Speaker 1: get guys who have been captains in other places that
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Speaker 1: can establish a culture in that locker room. They did
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Speaker 1: that with a couple of these names coming in and
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Speaker 1: thought Akasi, especially in Brandon Sheriff the Guard. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I hate the term when the press conference, but these
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Speaker 1: guys all spoke last Thursday and then Darius Williams spoke
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Speaker 1: on Friday. You can see why they think they're a
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Speaker 1: culture fit. You can certainly see why they like the
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Speaker 1: off field stuff. I have to couch it all though,
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Speaker 1: by knowing that people listening have heard all this before.
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Speaker 1: The word culture makes my eyes glazing, right, So there's
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Speaker 1: a little bit of that, and I agree, I mean culture,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, what they've done so far gets them
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Speaker 1: a chance to do more. But obviously most people listen
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Speaker 1: to this show, like John, we've heard this, Brian, we've
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Speaker 1: heard this, Slen and JP Uh, you know we've heard
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Speaker 1: all of this before. So I'm not gonna do cartwheels.
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Speaker 1: But yes, these guys seem like good guys that you
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Speaker 1: can build around and that you want setting the foundation.
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Speaker 1: Now we'll see where they go from here. I gotta
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Speaker 1: say so, like you guys, everywhere you go I'm sure
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Speaker 1: people say, what do you think? Right? I got it
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Speaker 1: in public, got beach over the weekend. What do you think?
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Speaker 1: And you want to be enthusiastic because these guys all
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Speaker 1: were really good talkers. I mean, you're gonna play some
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Speaker 1: of the sound here fully in particularly the defensive tackle
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Speaker 1: that I knew nothing about. I was captivated. I thought
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Speaker 1: he had great answers. Okay, so I couched everything I
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Speaker 1: said to people about what I thought because I said
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Speaker 1: it last year. The coach. I thought the coach was
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Speaker 1: reached last year. But but the players I liked last year. Um,
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Speaker 1: here's here's the the difference. The one thing that I've
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Speaker 1: been telling people that I believe will give this team
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Speaker 1: a chance to actually get it done, and that's the quarterback. Right,
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Speaker 1: Because they were putting talent around Blake and hoping that
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Speaker 1: the talent could lift Blake. Right, because you've got Trevor Lawrence,
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Speaker 1: and because I think all of us still believe he's
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Speaker 1: incredibly talented and capable of being this franchise quarterback, then
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Speaker 1: maybe this stuff will stick. Because you bring in Doug Peterson.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what word to use, because, as I said,
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Speaker 1: culture just means nothing. I just heard it all year
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Speaker 1: last year from the other guy. Um, but what you're
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Speaker 1: doing is bringing in people serious professional football players and
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Speaker 1: coaches who know how to do the job as opposed
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Speaker 1: to experiment in it. And when I read that article
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Speaker 1: in The Athletic, it just piste me off that we
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Speaker 1: turned this place over to him last year. I hope
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Speaker 1: he never works in professional football again. I don't think
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Speaker 1: you will. Um, yeah, well you never know, but but
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Speaker 1: it just it piste me off. That's something that because
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Speaker 1: we all are invested in this thing, you know, and
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Speaker 1: he was only invested into the tune of himself and
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Speaker 1: he did a lot of damage. But I think Doug
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Speaker 1: Peterson's the right guy, and I like the guys they
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Speaker 1: brought in to be able to work with Trevor Lawrence
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Speaker 1: and lift this thing up. Ashlyn, what was your biggest
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Speaker 1: takeaway from all the guys you sat down with last week?
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Speaker 1: All these guys came in Thursday, another one came in Friday,
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Speaker 1: But what stood out the most to you? I thought
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Speaker 1: they were all incredibly similar, and I think John mentioned
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Speaker 1: in the press conference how they all won the press conference.
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Speaker 1: The vibe was very humble and appreciative to be here.
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Speaker 1: And like Brian and John, I say that with a
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Speaker 1: grain of salt because I was the same way last year.
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Speaker 1: Remember Marvin Jones walking in the building and jahad Ward
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Speaker 1: being really intense in the interview and thinking wow, this
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Speaker 1: is yeah. And not to say that they didn't have
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Speaker 1: impact on the field. They did, but they're not the
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Speaker 1: Calais Campbell's and a J Boys and what you hope
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Speaker 1: to be in free agency. With that said, yes, it's
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Speaker 1: new and it's optimistic and it's changed, and you can't
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Speaker 1: help but be positive right now. But like John, I
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Speaker 1: say it with a grain of salt. Now they got
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Speaker 1: to prove it on the field. Yeah. I was concerned
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday or Thursday, I guess. But then they answered
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Speaker 1: the question. I think they can all go A to B,
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Speaker 1: So I think they're set there. I think we're in
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Speaker 1: good shape. They can get to four to six. So
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Speaker 1: that is the first step to me. Second step was that, um,
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Speaker 1: this is a different free agency class. All kidding aside,
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Speaker 1: because A B is important, it's a different free agency
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Speaker 1: class in this sense when people ask what do you think,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get lost that these are better,
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Speaker 1: more impactful efforts. They was made in free agency last year. Um,
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Speaker 1: the guys who came in last year were meant, for
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Speaker 1: the most part to uh plug holes. Shaq Griffin was
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Speaker 1: maybe the exception to that. Rashaan Jenkins a little bit.
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Speaker 1: But they weren't huge swings. They weren't going for the
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Speaker 1: home runs. Brandon Schurf is uh, as Ballki said, potentially
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player. Um, Christian Kirk would put me in
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Speaker 1: in that category. But these guys are made to make
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Speaker 1: I hate the words splash. These are home run swings.
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Speaker 1: So it's a different free aing class. It's clear they
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Speaker 1: are going after it harder with this class, and they
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Speaker 1: it last year's class. Let's hear from Fully PROTOKASTI defensive tackle.
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Speaker 1: Yeah like it. We had to say it ten million times.
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Speaker 1: I'm just giving you props congratulations that you know how
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Speaker 1: it is played by play guy mastering names. It's not easy.
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Speaker 1: Here's Fully on why he chose Jacksonville. Really just came
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Speaker 1: down to someone believing in me. Um, someone saw something
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Speaker 1: in me, They saw something about my ability. Um, it
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Speaker 1: took a chance on me, and I'm always grateful for
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Speaker 1: people that just just gives me a chance, because all
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Speaker 1: you need is one person to believe in you, and
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Speaker 1: that's what made me come in. It's a blessing. You know.
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Speaker 1: You put on a lot of time and effort and
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Speaker 1: little blood, sweat and terris to get to this point,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I can only thank God for it.
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Speaker 1: But um, now that I'm here, at this point, it's
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Speaker 1: all about what more could I do? You know what
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Speaker 1: I mean? How much more could we inspire each other?
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Speaker 1: How much more can we motivate one another? Some to
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Speaker 1: your point? You know, hearing his story, the way he
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Speaker 1: came through sixth round pick played like one game his
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Speaker 1: rookie season. You never know if those guys are gonna
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Speaker 1: stick or not. But that he found a role and
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Speaker 1: found a way and stuck with it and kept working
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Speaker 1: and battled through. Yeah, he was by far the most
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Speaker 1: emotional um telling his story, and it was interesting. We
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Speaker 1: got to the point where he was really talking about
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Speaker 1: leaving his hometown. He's from Queens and you know New Yorkers,
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Speaker 1: they're very proud of where they're from. And he went
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Speaker 1: to college around there and then played for the New
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Speaker 1: York Jets. He said, this is really my first time
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Speaker 1: leaving home, and I always pictured when I left home.
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Speaker 1: It was because I've reached success, and for him to
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Speaker 1: reach this second contract is the success that that he
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Speaker 1: wished upon. It's the ultimate success story, which coming to Florida.
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, that's not Yeah, he said, you
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Speaker 1: know when I moved, I knew it would be. It's
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Speaker 1: because I made it. So you could tell he was
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Speaker 1: getting really emotional that he got this second contract. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'll tell him this, guys, my father told him. I
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Speaker 1: had to story story on that. But I think it
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Speaker 1: struck me about the seven was I don't know whether
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Speaker 1: they'll quote live up to their contracts. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how you do that when you're making the kind of
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Speaker 1: money that free agents make. But what I do believe
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Speaker 1: is that these seven you're not going to have any
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Speaker 1: of those guys who say, Okay, well I made the money,
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Speaker 1: now I'm done, Now I'm checking out. You got the
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Speaker 1: idea that they will all try to earn whatever is
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Speaker 1: in the third you so, and there are elements of that.
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Speaker 1: We've had this franchise before, way beyond U for me.
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Speaker 1: But you're not gonna get a Jerry Porter out of
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Speaker 1: this bunch that you know, uh, I would here will
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Speaker 1: come here and check out. I'd love to tell the story.
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Speaker 1: You were an indie when Porter was here. You heard
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Speaker 1: the story about the T shirt that he wore past
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Speaker 1: Mrs Mrs Weaver's window. I can't say it on the air, Um,
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Speaker 1: and we walked in the door. He got ten million
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Speaker 1: dollar check and he were the most offensive shirt imaginable
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Speaker 1: into the building. And somebody said to me, they screwed
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Speaker 1: that one up. I mean immediately you knew. And so
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Speaker 1: six of the seven john Um have something to prove.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Christian Kirk has to prove that he wasn't
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Speaker 1: a dramatic reach, right. Every one of those guys except
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Speaker 1: for Schurf, who you know, brings five pro bowls to
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Speaker 1: the table, which by the way is the same amount
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Speaker 1: as Hall of Famer Tony Boselli had. So that kind
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Speaker 1: of puts you into the idea of where he fits
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Speaker 1: in the the Jaguars lineage on the offensive line and
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Speaker 1: the number two um second best I think. But every
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Speaker 1: one of those guys, Ingram comes in as a former
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Speaker 1: first round bust. And you know, to your point, Ashland,
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Speaker 1: people forget what the average salary is in this league.
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Speaker 1: They see these massive contracts told out to Aaron Rodgers
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Speaker 1: and Davante Adams. They forget that the average salary in
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Speaker 1: this league is just over a million dollars, which tells
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Speaker 1: you how many of the players make minimum salary. A
9:43
Speaker 1: guy like fully go there you go. Um comes in
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Speaker 1: and he's emotional because he got it. He got his
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Speaker 1: bite of the apple. So a few of them do.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure there were days where he didn't think
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Speaker 1: he was going absolutely and that's life changing money. Good
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Speaker 1: for him, and I you have no doubt after listening
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Speaker 1: to him Um, realizing that he will come to earn
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Speaker 1: the money. And I'll take a quick story. I was
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Speaker 1: sitting on the aisle in the team meeting room as
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Speaker 1: he walked down the aisland. I was reading a magazine
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Speaker 1: waiting for him to show up, and it wasn't a
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Speaker 1: sports related magazine. He stopped, he said, should I read
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Speaker 1: that article? And I said, yeah, I think you'd like it,
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Speaker 1: and he goes okay. And then as he came back by,
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Speaker 1: he goes, what's the name of the magazine? And I
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Speaker 1: showed it to him and he walked out. He goes things,
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Speaker 1: I just it too. He was so happy to be there.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to interact with people, and I like that
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Speaker 1: these are people. They're human beings, and for two years
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Speaker 1: we haven't been in their face like we had been
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Speaker 1: in the locker room. It was fun to interact again.
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Speaker 1: It was it was funny with with Fully, you always
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Speaker 1: introduce yourself, and I get it. It's it's a lot
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Speaker 1: when there's a camera in your face and there's lights
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Speaker 1: and it's a lot going on that day. But fully,
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Speaker 1: it was interesting. We introduced ourselves and it was probably
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Speaker 1: a crew of six, and you want to know Flynn,
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Speaker 1: Thomas Flynn behind the video camera, Okay, what do you do?
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Speaker 1: What's your role? And how did you get here? Where
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Speaker 1: did you start. It's just like little things like that
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Speaker 1: that you don't normally expect players to ask or frankly
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Speaker 1: care about. But for him, you could tell he was
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Speaker 1: interested in what everyone was doing there. What was Flynn's answer?
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Speaker 1: Because let's hear from Zay Jones. You mentioned Christian Kirk
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Speaker 1: with thirty seven million guaranteed dollars coming his way, Evan Ingram,
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Speaker 1: a former first round pick at tight ends Za Jones
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Speaker 1: pretty high pick himself at wide receiver, now making his
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Speaker 1: third stop in the NFL. I believe in it um
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Speaker 1: I think it's a I've talked to some other players
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Speaker 1: that have been with with Doug and these guys, and
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Speaker 1: they've told me a little bit about the offense and
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Speaker 1: like how it works and schematically and things like that.
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Speaker 1: But I just had to take their word for it,
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Speaker 1: do my own research and things like that. But um,
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Speaker 1: it's a great team. Young quarterback who who to me
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Speaker 1: looks very very promising and very good and I believe
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Speaker 1: in and you know, I want to be a part
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Speaker 1: of something that's that's building towards the future. And ultimately, yeah,
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Speaker 1: just my heart, I was like, Yeah, this place I
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Speaker 1: want to go. Za Jones went to East Carolina and
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Speaker 1: green Ville, North Carolina and then was the second round
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Speaker 1: pick of the Bills sent over to the Raiders. And
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Speaker 1: as he said in the press conference the other day,
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Speaker 1: you know, he was involved in some big moments in
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Speaker 1: those two franchises. The playoff appearance here against the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: that the Jaguars won that game tend to three, I believe,
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Speaker 1: and then in Oakland, the last game in Oakland, the
12:21
Speaker 1: Jaguars got him that time too, So the Jaguars might
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Speaker 1: as well, if you can't beat him, join him. Here's
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Speaker 1: what was interesting to me. This is the first time
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Speaker 1: in his football career that he ever got to choose
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Speaker 1: where he was going, right, I mean, he got to
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Speaker 1: choose East Carolina, but it wasn't where he wanted to go.
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Speaker 1: He made that one clear. And then he was drafted
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Speaker 1: by Buffalo, and just as he got smoothed, you know,
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Speaker 1: comfortable in Buffalo, you know, they trade him to to Oakland.
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Speaker 1: Didn't want to go there right this and he didn't
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Speaker 1: choose his high school. This is the first time he
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Speaker 1: chose to come somewhere on his own, and he chose
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Speaker 1: to come here, which if you listen to the narrative
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Speaker 1: around the league, why would anyone want to go to Jacksonville?
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Speaker 1: Let us list the reasons, but most people look at
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars and say, I don't any party that. And
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Speaker 1: John he said that I want to be a part
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Speaker 1: of that. And the quarterback had a big part in that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was striking that the quarterback had a
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Speaker 1: big part of it. And for the offensive guys, it
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Speaker 1: was interesting to me to hear h Evan Ingram talking
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Speaker 1: about wanting to play for Doug and I think, uh,
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Speaker 1: it's not coincidental that Brandon Scherff played in the in
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Speaker 1: the NFC East uh Evan Ingram played in the NFC East.
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Speaker 1: Ingram saw what he did with the tight ends. Ingram
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Speaker 1: strikes me as a guy who studies the league, knows
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Speaker 1: what's going on at his position. I wanted to come
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Speaker 1: play for this coach. Obviously, the money is the primary
13:37
Speaker 1: reason you go to place some free agency, but I
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Speaker 1: think there is a comfort level for these guys coming
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Speaker 1: here because of the quarterback in the coach. I think,
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Speaker 1: and we had the coach on UH drivetime last week
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Speaker 1: and just sitting next to him and listening to him
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Speaker 1: talk and feeling the enthusiasm and the energy. I'd want
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Speaker 1: to play for him, and I think you have to
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Speaker 1: I do. I look it and I go, man, what
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Speaker 1: if they had gotten him last year, where would they
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Speaker 1: be right now? Which is a good reason to look
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Speaker 1: forward and think where they can be once he gets
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Speaker 1: a chance to really build this thing his way. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me at all that they wanted to play
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Speaker 1: for him. John Well. It's not to belabor the point
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Speaker 1: that we've been making since February six, but when you
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Speaker 1: listen to him, I he doesn't have to have the
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Speaker 1: NFL explained to him, and there are certain things that
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Speaker 1: gets said. Was like, yeah, we've got to do that,
14:31
Speaker 1: but we'll get that done. He knows the pitfalls and
14:35
Speaker 1: his speed bumps. Uh, can you get around them? I
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Speaker 1: don't know, but if you know where they are, there's
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Speaker 1: an easier chance. Yeah. I thought it was interesting when
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Speaker 1: we were talking with Evan Ingram and we mentioned the
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Speaker 1: Titan and Doug Peterson know him for playing that he
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Speaker 1: kind of was similar in a way to Christian Kirk
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Speaker 1: where we wanted to put him in the box and
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Speaker 1: most and put him as a slot receiver and Coach
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Speaker 1: Peterson came on drive him and said no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: we're going to move this guy around, and similar with Ingram,
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Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, I'm kind of excited to play outside
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Speaker 1: wide receiver for a little it. So it's clear that
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Speaker 1: these offensive weapons have the expectation they're going to move
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Speaker 1: around a lot, and it's not one single role in
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Speaker 1: free agency. Evant Ingram was brought in here to be
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Speaker 1: an offensive weapon when we return a packed cornerback room
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Speaker 1: for the Jaguars and major changes at linebacker and what
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Speaker 1: the heck is coming up in the next few weeks
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Speaker 1: Hims arrived Friday and later in the afternoon signed the
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Speaker 1: contract and met with the media. But now it's a
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Speaker 1: stacked cornerback room here. All of a sudden shot Griffin,
17:08
Speaker 1: of course, came in last year in free agency for
17:11
Speaker 1: big money. Tyson Campbell draft picked Darius Williams Herndon's back.
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Speaker 1: I mean, all of a sudden, Ashlan, that's a strength
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Speaker 1: Darius Williams. I think he has the shot now after
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Speaker 1: playing opposite Jalen Ramsey to kind of elevate his play.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Chack Griffin is obviously a lockdown corner on
17:29
Speaker 1: the other side, But I felt okay about that room.
17:32
Speaker 1: I always just thought you need one more, and here's
17:35
Speaker 1: that one more. And also I know Trey hernon Is.
17:37
Speaker 1: He's been here a while, but you need that depth
17:39
Speaker 1: of bringing him back. Okay, people who people who know
17:42
Speaker 1: better than me, tell me that if he's your fourth corner,
17:44
Speaker 1: you're all right that, yeah, exactly. He's a guy who
17:46
Speaker 1: can play inside, he can play outside. He's not an
17:49
Speaker 1: every down, lockdown kind of player. Uh. But if he's
17:53
Speaker 1: your fourth, you're all right. Well, he's your fourth. I mean,
17:56
Speaker 1: Darius Williams comes and you need three starting corners in
17:58
Speaker 1: this league. Uh, and he gives that to you. And
18:00
Speaker 1: I would assume that this draft is good in corners
18:02
Speaker 1: from what I read, I would think that you'd be
18:05
Speaker 1: able to find even another young player. Yeah, and everybody's
18:08
Speaker 1: gonna be obsessed with who's playing where. Uh. To me,
18:11
Speaker 1: I expect Darius Williams to play the nickel. Um. I
18:14
Speaker 1: don't know if that's how to play out or not,
18:16
Speaker 1: but that's what. But in the NFL, now that's a
18:18
Speaker 1: starting position and it's being paid like a starting position
18:21
Speaker 1: because guess what if you don't have one, you're in
18:24
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble. Uh. I would anticipate that that
18:27
Speaker 1: would be a spot where they might draft two players.
18:30
Speaker 1: Not a knock on Tray Herndon, but it's a safe
18:33
Speaker 1: draft spot because those players are going to be on
18:37
Speaker 1: the field quickly. For special teams, you need guys who
18:39
Speaker 1: can run. It's an athletic fast position. They always play
18:42
Speaker 1: special teams. So, um, I don't think they're set there.
18:45
Speaker 1: I think you need five or six, and I would
18:47
Speaker 1: think out of the draft or perhaps clear to free agency,
18:50
Speaker 1: that's where you find those guys. Yeah, it wasn't to
18:52
Speaker 1: say I think Tyson Cambell, we all can agree, had
18:54
Speaker 1: a huge year at the back end of the year,
18:56
Speaker 1: and you know he earned that starting spot. But it's
18:59
Speaker 1: not to say that you felt super confident. All right,
19:01
Speaker 1: let's just keep Shack Griffin and Tyson Campbell and everything
19:03
Speaker 1: will be okay. It was obvious you needed more bodies there. Well.
19:06
Speaker 1: I think it was Trent may have said, or Bucky
19:08
Speaker 1: Brooks and on the podcast last week, a veteran Nickel
19:13
Speaker 1: in his day and age, it's awfully hard to ask
19:16
Speaker 1: a rookie to play that spot. Because there's so much
19:19
Speaker 1: that goes into it. You're playing inside, there's a lot
19:21
Speaker 1: going on. It's easier to have a young guy. Tyson
19:23
Speaker 1: Campbell got a lot better when he was just asked
19:27
Speaker 1: to go play the outside. I don't know. I haven't
19:29
Speaker 1: talked to him to know how difficult it was for
19:32
Speaker 1: him early when he was trying to play inside. But
19:35
Speaker 1: it is a much more complex position in the National
19:38
Speaker 1: Football League to play inside than it is outside. So
19:40
Speaker 1: having a guy who's done it and as a fifth
19:42
Speaker 1: year veterans. The interesting story, you know, if you're following
19:46
Speaker 1: the draft, and I know we've been focused on free agency,
19:48
Speaker 1: is that the kid from Cincinnati Gardner Sauce Gardner. Uh,
19:52
Speaker 1: what's his first name of mom Um, Sauce Sauce. I
19:55
Speaker 1: like it. Though he's climbing I mean, he's climbing boards fast.
19:58
Speaker 1: He's passed Stingley, and he looks like a top five pick. Uh.
20:02
Speaker 1: And he played really well against Alabama when the rest
20:05
Speaker 1: of that defense was exposed in that college football playoff game.
20:08
Speaker 1: So the value of the cornerback position is a lot
20:12
Speaker 1: like the value of a pass rusher. Um, if there's
20:15
Speaker 1: a good one, he's going to climb the board and
20:17
Speaker 1: right now he's one of the hottest names in the
20:20
Speaker 1: draft space. We'll stay on defense and our final look
20:24
Speaker 1: at an addition in free agency. Foyer Louikan is in
20:27
Speaker 1: a linebacker. But some massive changes, of course to the
20:31
Speaker 1: personnel in that room. Miles Jackson now with the Steelers.
20:34
Speaker 1: Damien Wilson is going to the Panthers. Two starting linebackers
20:39
Speaker 1: last year. It's a it's a full change a linebacker,
20:43
Speaker 1: you know. I wonder what the other spot will be.
20:46
Speaker 1: There's some you know, some younger players on the roster
20:48
Speaker 1: right now. Do they do more work there? Ashland? It's
20:51
Speaker 1: a big question. But bringing in the league's leading tackler
20:54
Speaker 1: last year is a good step in the right direction.
20:56
Speaker 1: It is. And I understand the salary cap and having
20:57
Speaker 1: to let guys go, and it's pretty clear you're gonna
21:00
Speaker 1: have to address that spot in the draft now. You
21:02
Speaker 1: have to. You can't be content with what is there.
21:05
Speaker 1: It's okay, but not at a competitive level. You need
21:07
Speaker 1: to add more bodies there too. Well, it might be okay.
21:11
Speaker 1: We don't know about Dylan Moses, and he's a real
21:13
Speaker 1: wild card in this um. If he's right, if his
21:17
Speaker 1: legs are right in JP. I followed him Alabama. He
21:20
Speaker 1: was gonna be a first round pick, and he was.
21:23
Speaker 1: He was a big time player. Uh. The second part
21:25
Speaker 1: of this is if if you're playing the three four,
21:28
Speaker 1: which I'm assuming they are, um that position that we're
21:32
Speaker 1: talking about, I assume I'll awoken Lukin. Okay, I'm the writer.
21:41
Speaker 1: You just say it really quickly. He's uh. I assume
21:44
Speaker 1: he's on the field most plays. The other backer in
21:47
Speaker 1: that is on the field about at the time. So
21:50
Speaker 1: it's not a position is you have to go get
21:52
Speaker 1: in the first or second round. It is a position
21:54
Speaker 1: that can be drafted late, and there's a question over
21:58
Speaker 1: what that role will actually look like. It's not like
22:00
Speaker 1: you're playing, yeah, two inside linebackers of the time and
22:06
Speaker 1: need frontline equity at both of those spots. I think
22:09
Speaker 1: that's how they're playing the position. You know. The interesting
22:11
Speaker 1: thing with the signing of Christian Kirk and the signing
22:14
Speaker 1: of Zay Jones is if say Nakobe Dean, who is
22:18
Speaker 1: getting dinged because he's not very tall, slides down the
22:21
Speaker 1: board and is sitting there at thirty three, you now
22:24
Speaker 1: don't have to go take a wide receiver if Nacoby
22:26
Speaker 1: Dean is the best player on your board and is
22:28
Speaker 1: sitting at thirty three, you can solve that problem right there.
22:31
Speaker 1: That's what free agency did for them. It gave them
22:33
Speaker 1: the flexibility to go and do what they want to
22:35
Speaker 1: do on draft Dack. Honest, I completely forgot about Dylan Moses.
22:41
Speaker 1: That's much. We haven't talked about him this entire year. Yeah.
22:43
Speaker 1: I think he showed up on the practice field like
22:45
Speaker 1: the last week of the season just to actually do
22:47
Speaker 1: a little something. But um, he was on the non
22:50
Speaker 1: football injury list all last year as a rookie. So
22:53
Speaker 1: here we go. Let's see if you got anything in
22:55
Speaker 1: the off season. That position is primarily a run position.
23:00
Speaker 1: It's gonna play the snaps. I'm not saying it's unimportant,
23:03
Speaker 1: but it's not just because it's on the depth chart.
23:08
Speaker 1: I would consider a nickel corner a far higher priority
23:12
Speaker 1: than that second linebacker position. But they's got that too.
23:15
Speaker 1: What's that they got that too? Yeah, Darius Williams, I
23:18
Speaker 1: know you're you're dialed in on wide receiver at thirty three,
23:21
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be surprised at all if if you
23:24
Speaker 1: watch that kid play at Georgia how good he is. Um,
23:27
Speaker 1: if he slides down into that range, a playmaker on
23:30
Speaker 1: defense is a playmaker own defense. Or if they trade
23:33
Speaker 1: back and then I'm one pick, or if they trade
23:34
Speaker 1: up into the first round for a receiver. They have
23:36
Speaker 1: so many draft picks that it doesn't have to be
23:38
Speaker 1: the setting stone. They can go trade up and get
23:40
Speaker 1: what they need. Trader Schlinn. Yeah, well, they did a
23:42
Speaker 1: nice job addressing enough holes that they have flexibility to
23:46
Speaker 1: do the best thing for the team. And I'm a
23:48
Speaker 1: always a best available player guy. All right, So now
23:52
Speaker 1: what we've got, it's it's March one. The league meetings
23:56
Speaker 1: are next week and Palm Beach, Johnny, you'll be there
23:58
Speaker 1: for those rule change Just from the league. There's always
24:01
Speaker 1: some news that seems to come out of those. Um,
24:04
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta hold some space in the camp
24:07
Speaker 1: for the rookie salary pool all that, but they might
24:10
Speaker 1: be a little tight with that. They might have to
24:12
Speaker 1: do some work on some guys, renegotiate some things. Moving ahead,
24:15
Speaker 1: there's and all of a sudden, April eleventh, officially the
24:18
Speaker 1: start of the Jags offseason program. We're inside a month.
24:21
Speaker 1: It certainly sounds free agency wise, like there, I mean
24:24
Speaker 1: they actually done with that first wave. Uh. It sounds
24:27
Speaker 1: like I'm not sure what's going on with Lender. Uh
24:30
Speaker 1: there are reports that he's considering retirement. UM, I don't
24:34
Speaker 1: know if he'll be back or not. If he's not,
24:38
Speaker 1: then you've got nine more million, and that possibly becomes
24:42
Speaker 1: another possible quote frontline guy. I think Brian uske Trent
24:47
Speaker 1: backy about the cap on on I Drive Time last week.
24:51
Speaker 1: He certainly sounded to me the key phrase was he
24:55
Speaker 1: emphasized that they hadn't pushed anything forward yet. Um. If
24:58
Speaker 1: we people who don't understand mean pushing forward, that's when
25:01
Speaker 1: you start getting yourself where you have to manage the
25:05
Speaker 1: cap and sort of cheat the cap if you will.
25:07
Speaker 1: That's where it becomes that credit card, the high interest
25:09
Speaker 1: cription that's maxed out. It sounded to me like he
25:12
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go there yet. Uh So I don't
25:15
Speaker 1: know if they're going to spend big the rest of
25:17
Speaker 1: this free agency per at this and then more cash
25:20
Speaker 1: to spend at some point even shot. I mean, come on,
25:23
Speaker 1: I think that would be the only trigger point there.
25:25
Speaker 1: But I think Trent is happy having that cap un
25:27
Speaker 1: mortgaged right now. Well, we talked about three years, a
25:30
Speaker 1: three year window before you get the chance to pay
25:32
Speaker 1: the quarterback and so spend of the cap, and certainly
25:35
Speaker 1: they have done that. But Shelyn and I were just
25:37
Speaker 1: doing numbers getting ready for tomorrow for drive time, and
25:41
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are currently twenty five in the salary cap
25:44
Speaker 1: rankings right next year there and in there they are
25:51
Speaker 1: twenty with a hundred and forty million dollars in cap room, right.
25:55
Speaker 1: And the point is is that the cap is going
25:57
Speaker 1: to take a couple of significant jumps forward here in
26:02
Speaker 1: four So to put as much money as you can
26:05
Speaker 1: in this year makes a lot of sense because then
26:08
Speaker 1: you have flexibility in the next two years when you
26:10
Speaker 1: still need to spend in the cap. It sounds like
26:13
Speaker 1: they've done a good job. Tim Walls, she's been down
26:15
Speaker 1: there and helping manage the camp, and he's a really
26:20
Speaker 1: bright guy, and it sure looks like they have done
26:23
Speaker 1: this right. From a from a number's perspective, going back
26:26
Speaker 1: quickly to our linebacker discussion a moment ago, just moments ago,
26:30
Speaker 1: this is a ten Am Adam schefter tweeting that Titans
26:34
Speaker 1: free agent linebacker Rashaun Evans is visiting the Jaguars Tonight
26:38
Speaker 1: source former first round pick. I tell the story in
26:41
Speaker 1: Night In two eighteen, I'm in Dallas for the draft,
26:45
Speaker 1: and I got word from someone who was in and
26:49
Speaker 1: around the war room that there were four players the
26:51
Speaker 1: Jaguars were looking at. Right. Um, they were interested in
26:54
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. They were twenty nine and this was about
26:56
Speaker 1: twenty on the clock. Calvin Ridley, the wide receiver from Alabama.
26:59
Speaker 1: They we're looking at Hayden Hurst, the tight end from
27:02
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Um, we're Shaun Evans and your boy from Florida,
27:10
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle, David Brian. Right, And the first three
27:16
Speaker 1: went off right, those first three guy bang bang bang,
27:18
Speaker 1: and they were left with Taven Brian. And of course
27:21
Speaker 1: I thought Evans was a really nice player for the
27:23
Speaker 1: last couple of years in Tennessee, and I can remember
27:25
Speaker 1: last year thinking how come they couldn't get him instead
27:28
Speaker 1: of Taven Bran. Well, now it looks like they maybe
27:30
Speaker 1: have a shot they in this league. That'll do it
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