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Feminism is a deathtrap for society? · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Okay, we are live. Hello everybody, and welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian. I'm here with
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  Speaker 1: Alison and this is maintaining frame. What is this one
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  Speaker 1: called feminism is a death trap for society where we
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  Speaker 1: are going to be reacting to a debate between Jake
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  Speaker 1: Rattlesnake and when I can only assume are male feminists.
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  Speaker 1: I saw this, This was like on modern day Debate,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought I didn't like I watched it after
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  Speaker 1: I started to look at it, and then I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this this looks like it could be interesting. So I
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  Speaker 1: sent it to Alison and she was like, okay, not
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  Speaker 1: I mean just just because where I think we're getting
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  Speaker 1: a look at where the conversation is happening, like at
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  Speaker 1: what stage things are at and stuff like that. So
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  Speaker 1: all right, so yeah, that's what we're doing. Let me
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  Speaker 1: just uh, well, it's nice to.
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  Speaker 2: See that the conversation is on the table.
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  Speaker 1: It's opening up, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know if anybody's ready yet to go as far as
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  Speaker 2: we go because and or, but but you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: good to see it. Because I was I was saying
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  Speaker 2: this stuff like in twenty nineteen, I know for sure
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  Speaker 2: because that was the the year of the International Conference
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  Speaker 2: of Men's Issues that we we hosted, so I served
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  Speaker 2: it was memorable and then we went into then we
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  Speaker 2: went into the dark times and everything changed. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that year I said that feminism is the face of
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  Speaker 2: our destructor as a society. Yeah, that's what we chose,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Zuel asked us and we said, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: want Andrea Dorkin. And then Andrew Dwarkin appeared and stomped down,
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  Speaker 2: uh wherever that was in New York, the main street
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  Speaker 2: in New York. Yeah, but yeah, that's uh, but it's
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  Speaker 2: good to see that that the normies are sort of
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  Speaker 2: I don't know it is Jack Rattlesnake and normy.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think Jay. His name is Jake Rattlesnake Jake.
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  Speaker 1: He has a channel called Rattlesnake TV. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: the theme his channel used to be where he would
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  Speaker 1: just like analyze debates and it could be about whatever, right,
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  Speaker 1: but he would just analyze debates and talk about the
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  Speaker 1: debate tactics. But because he was analyzing debates, he started
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  Speaker 1: coming across Andrew Wilson when he was when Andrew Wilson
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  Speaker 1: was doing all these debates on whatever podcasts and you know,
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  Speaker 1: whatever wherever it was, and he kind of like got
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  Speaker 1: really into reviewing Andrew's debates because of I guess Andrew's
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  Speaker 1: approach to debates, his his tactics, and so like Jake
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  Speaker 1: Radlesnake's whole thing is looking at debate tactics, and you
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  Speaker 1: know he like lifts up like reason and evidence above
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  Speaker 1: everything else. But after engaging with you know, watching like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Andrew videos, I guess they like linked
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  Speaker 1: up at some point, and now Jake works with Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Wilson and on occasion he will make appearances like this. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I personally don't have a problem with Jake Rattlesnake, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that his arguments are well developed yet,
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  Speaker 1: not even at the level that Andrew is at. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not this has nothing to do with Andrew. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying that's like how we got to the point
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  Speaker 1: now where he is, you know, doing more sort of
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  Speaker 1: anti feminist content, debating against male feminists and sort of
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  Speaker 1: talking about feminism as the great evil of the modern world.
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  Speaker 1: But I yeah, I mean, like I I but anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not again, I'm not throwing shade.
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  Speaker 2: We're the Wizards, you know, the Wizards of wizard Isle.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, just with with the ancient magics. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: but it's good to see that people are are are
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  Speaker 2: developing this or at least getting it into the mainstream.
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  Speaker 2: I noticed that the stuff sort of needs a personality attached.
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  Speaker 2: Now my question is is.
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  Speaker 1: Jake Yeah real name? I don't know, Jake, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the rest. He's from Australia. We can just call
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  Speaker 1: him Jake. I mean that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wouldn't put it past the Australians.
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  Speaker 1: To I don't think that's his name.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is a little Jimmy death Spider.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Jake Kangaroo, Yeah Jake. Platypus aren't platypuses, so.
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  Speaker 2: They're not like, they're not like evil. You gotta have
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  Speaker 2: some kind of razor.
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  Speaker 1: In the all of those in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: The platypus, oh yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Has a venomous spine on its foot.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, but you need like a like more
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  Speaker 2: hardcore platypus name, like let's see stinger Puss. That's stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Never mind, let's just okay, all right, it's just like yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: travels into the desert of feminism in search for anything
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  Speaker 2: that supports their construction of patriarchy. So far nothing twenty
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  Speaker 2: six years. Guys, I despair. Oh, I don't despair. I
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  Speaker 2: know that they're never gonna find it, but regardless, I
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  Speaker 2: want to prove to the last ounce of anything that
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  Speaker 2: they do not have any credibility and have never actually
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  Speaker 2: made an effort to prove the things that they assert.
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  Speaker 2: And so far, what I've found is their proof is
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  Speaker 2: their feels, and their feels is their proof, and that
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  Speaker 2: is all. And you're a misogynist for questioning it. Lovely
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  Speaker 1: Started, all right. So we're gonna be I'm gonna open
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  Speaker 1: it up. Basically, this is Jake on modern day debate,
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  Speaker 1: and he's basically up there and he gives a prompt.
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  Speaker 1: He says, he makes a claim, and he has people
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  Speaker 1: come up and try to challenge him on the claim,
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  Speaker 1: and he yeah, so let's go ahead and start. This
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  Speaker 1: is basically a coming up sort of stinger to get you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, set up for Just prepare yourself. Okay, here
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  Speaker 1: we go. These are all men, by the way, there
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  Speaker 1: are no women on this panel. This is all men.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So that was like the singer opening to that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you guys can't hear it? Oh hold on, let
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  Speaker 1: me go back a little bit. Well I can, no,
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  Speaker 1: I see it. I see it. Okay, I see what
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  Speaker 1: the issue is. Let me play the intro again. I
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  Speaker 1: need these guys to hear this.
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  Speaker 3: So men are fucking stupid. We're not smart. We make
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  Speaker 3: stupid mistakes all of the time. I do it every
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  Speaker 3: single day. I called that diarrhetid the other day and
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  Speaker 3: I completely regret it. I thought what you were saying
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  Speaker 3: was retarded.
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  Speaker 4: But do you not want educated women teaching children.
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  Speaker 5: Educated women? What do you mean by educated like.
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  Speaker 6: Usually goes to some college and schooling and then they
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  Speaker 6: are better equipped to teach their children.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, well not not college? Yeah what a good lord?
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  Speaker 2: Do you want indoctrinated women to teach your children? No?
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  Speaker 2: Not really sounds a bit different when you say it
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  Speaker 2: that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, do you want cult members to teach your children?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not?
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'm not open with that.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, you could have a very self educated woman and
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  Speaker 2: she knows the hell of a lot more and knows
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  Speaker 2: how to think and has never stepped afoot in college.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think Karen never was in college, or that
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  Speaker 2: she took it like a semester, right, So yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: I mean like, you don't have to college is not
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  Speaker 2: College is not a place where you get smart, right,
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  Speaker 2: It's not even a credential of intelligence. It's a credential
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  Speaker 2: of memorization. So highly educated women. No, I think that
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  Speaker 2: actually college does the reverse. It uneducates women at this point,
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  Speaker 2: unless she's like going into I don't know, engineering or something,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, that's uh yeah, I would I would concur.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's where he was going with
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  Speaker 2: that maybe he just is barefoot and pregnant, which honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I think women would probably be happier that way too,
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  Speaker 2: but most women average intellects.
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  Speaker 1: Jake's position is not necessary that women be barefoot and pregnant, no,
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  Speaker 1: but rather that simply, like you know, these these ideas
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  Speaker 1: that women in education or women being in the in
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  Speaker 1: the workforce are just like a net good, like a blanket,
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  Speaker 1: good for society. I think he's challenging that on the
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  Speaker 1: basis that it's it doesn't mean that they're not, but
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that they all are, right, Like that's
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  Speaker 1: just like men, and they're different strokes for different folks.
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  Speaker 2: But all right, well, I actually I actually have a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a bit of analysis I could offer that
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  Speaker 2: I did. Apparently it would have in like a century ago,
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  Speaker 2: century and a half ago, before academia got taken over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but well it got taken over by
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  Speaker 2: feminism and proto feminism whatever else. Right, having an educated
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  Speaker 2: woman raising her kids at home and teaching them was
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  Speaker 2: actually associated with higher development. Like a lot of very
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  Speaker 2: uh very famous kind of inventors and scientists came from
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  Speaker 2: exactly that situation. With a caveat that if you had
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  Speaker 2: a father who is also educated and stayed at home,
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  Speaker 2: can't even you also get similar results. So it's just
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  Speaker 2: having educated parents with the time to raise their children properly, right,
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't have to be the woman. It could
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  Speaker 2: also be the man or both, you know, go Simon
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  Speaker 2: and and oh gosh, I'm blanking on the Simone and uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, the two the two very smart
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  Speaker 2: people who are sort of in the antifemisphere and they
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  Speaker 2: have like six children, Simone and Brian. Help me, can
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  Speaker 2: you hear me?
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember I don't I don't Malcolm Malcolm
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  Speaker 1: and Simone. Yeah, yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I really shouldn't. Yeah yeah, okay, So, like just that
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  Speaker 2: kind of a situation, very smart parents, educated, taking care
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  Speaker 2: of their kids, not indoctrinated into feminism, which is anti
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  Speaker 2: intellectual and it literally is anti intellectual. You can't have
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  Speaker 2: an entire conjecture based on people's feelings and nothing else
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  Speaker 2: and it not be anti intellectual. So sure, yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 2: an educated woman, but not in an anti intellectual field
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  Speaker 2: like feminism, where she's going to learn that she doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have to prove the things that she asserts, she doesn't
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  Speaker 2: need to have arguments. She doesn't need to have logic,
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't need to have critical thinking. She just needs
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  Speaker 2: to have a feeling. And not a good feeling either.
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  Speaker 2: Good feelings towards men are inherently bad. They all have
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  Speaker 2: to be resentful resentful feelings because resentful feelings are resentful.
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  Speaker 2: Cynical feelings are intelligent. Those are the intelligent feelings, Brian, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: those are the one that makes you smartulous mm hmm, okay, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so let's go ahead and get into it. Sure.
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  Speaker 5: My next prompt is that feminism is a death trap.
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  Speaker 5: It leads to not only death of its own ideology,
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  Speaker 5: it eats itself alive. It also leads to the death
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  Speaker 5: of millions of unborn children.
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  Speaker 1: Why all right? So do you want to say anything
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  Speaker 1: to his claim feminism is a death trap that will
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  Speaker 1: eat itself eventually, and not before it kills millions of children.
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  Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, it is a death trap. And I mean
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  Speaker 2: I could add another data point to that feminists or
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  Speaker 2: women who are on the left require two point three
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  Speaker 2: times more income or at least, Actually, how it works
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  Speaker 2: is that men the left have to earn two point
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  Speaker 2: three times more than a conservative man to be married.
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  Speaker 2: So and since people tend to sort based on yeah,
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  Speaker 2: people tend to sort based on their you know, their
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  Speaker 2: political leanings. That means that women on the left demand
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  Speaker 2: two point three times more income. And the problem with
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  Speaker 2: that is we don't have enough earths to sustain that. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there is a sort of a limitation to
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  Speaker 2: men's income. I know, there's not as much limitation when
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  Speaker 2: your entire economy is churning symbols, but generally the limitation
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  Speaker 2: to men's incomes is the amount of product you can
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  Speaker 2: pull out of the earth at some point. That's what
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  Speaker 2: it comes down to. So if left women want two
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  Speaker 2: point three times more male income in order to be married,
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  Speaker 2: guess how much more we have to pull out of
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  Speaker 2: the earth in order for these women to breed. So
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  Speaker 2: so much for the environmentalism. The other thing is that
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  Speaker 2: that gives lie to all of their virtuous causes, because
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  Speaker 2: if they genuinely believed in the virtues that they talk about,
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  Speaker 2: the men who have those virtues would not be suffering
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  Speaker 2: a marriage penalty. These leftist women would want to pair
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  Speaker 2: up with men who hold their virtues. Right. If anything,
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  Speaker 2: it should mean that they require less money from the men,
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  Speaker 2: But no, they require more, which gives lie to the
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  Speaker 2: idea that they're driven by these virtues or that they're
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  Speaker 2: driven by environmental causes, and what ultimately they seem to
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  Speaker 2: be driven by is greed. The women on the left
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  Speaker 2: are the greediest women on the planet. They will destroy
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  Speaker 2: the planet with their greed. You know, you can actually
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  Speaker 2: on one thing, one change, What will create the greatest
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  Speaker 2: positive environmental impact is for a woman to go from
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  Speaker 2: being on the left to on the right. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 2: it now. The problem is that women on the right
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  Speaker 2: are just you know, two steps behind women on the left.
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  Speaker 2: So what we really need to do is change the progression,
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  Speaker 2: the undertow that's drawing women all into the same direction,
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  Speaker 2: which is ridiculous expectations of men in terms of income
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  Speaker 2: and as a result, ridiculous expectations of material benefit which
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  Speaker 2: has to come from somewhere, which is the earth. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But the one thing that the one biggest environmental impact, right,
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that a woman could do to create
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  Speaker 2: the biggest environmental impact is to change from being on
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  Speaker 2: the left, huge environmental impact, huge carbon footprint, to being
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  Speaker 2: on the right, much smaller carbon footprint, much daintier, much
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  Speaker 2: more humble. But you never hear that, do you. And
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  Speaker 2: then they call themselves in environmentalists, environmentalists who won't breed
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  Speaker 2: unless we have the material goods of two point three
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  Speaker 2: more earths yep, or we just drain drill, baby, drill, drill,
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  Speaker 2: drained mine. We got to feed those liberal women.
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  Speaker 1: Got to buy their pre trash on yeah, you know
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  Speaker 1: Amazon websites that like are clothes made by Chinese people
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  Speaker 1: on slave wages. Because they care so much about slavery
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  Speaker 1: in the environment. They got to give those those Chinese people.
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  Speaker 1: They got to give them work otherwise they won't to
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  Speaker 1: have a purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, I don't even think like honestly, these liberal
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  Speaker 2: women on the left have all of their so called
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  Speaker 2: virtues are absolutely empty. And like I said, if they
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  Speaker 2: weren't empty, then men having those virtues would be attractive
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  Speaker 2: to them. They would want to get with those men
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  Speaker 2: and reproduce children with those virtues. But that's not what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Not all.
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  Speaker 2: They're just greedy, yep, They're not just greedy, they're ungrateful.
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  Speaker 2: They have all bought into a dynamic between men and
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  Speaker 2: women where men's side of the ledger is erased and
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  Speaker 2: replaced with well, if he provides for me, he's making
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  Speaker 2: me dependent, which is oppressing me. Well, how does a
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  Speaker 2: man provide for you or do anything for you? How
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  Speaker 2: does a man become dependable without you becoming dependent on him?
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  Speaker 2: You see? But that whole process they see it as
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  Speaker 2: an erasure. So it's this constant sense that they're always owed.
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  Speaker 2: So men have to do more, make more, be more.
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  Speaker 2: Right on the left, that's women on the left, well,
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  Speaker 2: that comes from somewhere like that that material that that
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  Speaker 2: material wealth has to be taken from somewhere. Right, And
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  Speaker 2: again it's it is simply a reproductive strategy on the left. Right,
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  Speaker 2: And the iron irony is it's a reproductive strategy that
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  Speaker 2: leaves like ninety five percent of the women doing it
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  Speaker 2: without any kind of reproductive throughput sorting. It's sort of
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  Speaker 2: a failing strategy, right, you know, and single them is
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  Speaker 2: going to become very expensive, I think in the next
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  Speaker 2: few years, very expensive. So the idea that being a
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  Speaker 2: single woman that's a luxury of an advanced civilization that
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  Speaker 2: isn't like, isn't in a situation where it's losing huge
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  Speaker 2: amounts of its labor force, well that were never born.
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  Speaker 2: But also men who aren't going into the jobs that
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  Speaker 2: need to be done. So your luxury lifestyle of singletom
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  Speaker 2: is going to disappear. And for the women who are
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  Speaker 2: fifty now, it's likely going to disappear when you're fifty.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the question when you can no longer afford
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  Speaker 2: a single them lifestyle because it was a luxury, because
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  Speaker 2: a luxury existence and you're fifty, You're a fifty year
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  Speaker 2: old woman. What man is going to take you on
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  Speaker 2: as a liability when you're one asset was your job
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  Speaker 2: and you no longer have it, Like I mean, this
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: is a this is a profoundly myopic strategy. Price yourself
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: out of the market, and then what happens when there's
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: no market anymore? And also you've priced yourself out of
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: your lifestyle. Anyway, this is this is a digression. We
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: should probably get back to the video.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna play more of the video. Just
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: double check my sad and missus super Child's okay.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Men is in the death trap and not men failing
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: in their own regard.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So the guy brings out he says, why do you
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: say feminism is a death trap and not men failing
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: in their own regard. Yeah, well, let Jake, let Jake answer.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Let's let Jake battles.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, men failing in the run regard.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Well, the idea here is that feminism is a death drop.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: We can talk about men and their duties and responsibilities
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: in another debate, but this one's about feminism. It's a
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: different debate.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: Right, that's a good point.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I think blaming men.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Did you see that?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's still he needs to blame men to
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: make it work, and it's not working.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Right, So okay, oh my god, God, she was thwarted
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: on his desires to blame men, because that's hilarious. He's
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: going to try it anyway. I heard that. I heard
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: what he's about to say.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's the freaking fun. Yeah, I'm gonna play
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: it again. Let's play it again. Right, but.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: I think men are dropping the ball, and I think, yes,
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: maybe might be hitting that way, but it's not because
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: of feminism.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So he doesn't think it's because of.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: This? Is there one move?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Guys just circumvent that and they have nothing, so yeah, yeah,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: just so let's just call it okay, all.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Right, Jake, Look, I mean I'll engage with it. Look largely,
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: I don't actually think that men are really dropping the ball.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: I've tried seven ways to Sunday to try and say, well,
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: it's the both sides. And look, there are some things
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: that they aren't doing right, but if you look around
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: at the infrastructure around runs properly. We still have a
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: functioning military. And I think that generally one of the
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: virtues that men need to have in society is courage
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: and leadership. And if they're not courageous enough to get
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: up on the high lines and to drive the ice
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: road trucks and to go to war, then everything falls apart.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: I just imagine tomorrow that men were not courageous like that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Just imagine what would happen to society.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Now we're talking about me.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Just imagine if women chirk their duties of having children.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And no, he's using the male argument to make the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: case against women. So he just said, look, men are
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: not failing because everything is still running, society is still moving.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: And then he says, imagine if men, the courageous men
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you know, stopped trying tomorrow, Like when he's what he
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: means by courageous is not men that are just willing
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: to kill themselves. He means the guys that go to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: work and keep everything is running, okay, And then he says,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: so imagine what that looks like. Now, let's look at
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: that with women. That's what he's doing. So let's go
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: back and listen again, because I already see people bitching
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in the chat. So let's take a look at what
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: he's saying. If you're gonna argue against him, argue against
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: what he actually said and not what you wish he said. Okay,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: let's listen again. I'm not talking to you, Alison.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: All Right, we get courageous enough to get up on
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: the high lines and to drive the ice road trucks
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: and to go to war, and everything falls apot. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: just imagine tomorrow that men would not courageous like that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Just imagine what woul happened to.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: So that's that implies that he is he is accepting
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the fact that they actually are courageous now because he's saying,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: what if they weren't, which would suggest that he thinks
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that they are. Okay, listen closely, Okay.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: But then you look on the reverse. Just imagine if
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: women check their duties of having children and.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Nurturing, which they're doing which they're doing.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Happened now, So that's the argument there.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I love this. Okay, this guy's facial expressions. Okay,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: all right, go ahead, guy, let's hear it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: All right, The infrastructure for America starting to crumble and
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: everything's so.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: He's saying infrastructure is starting to crumble, and he's trying
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to blame men for that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is. He's right, He's right, it's starting to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: crumble because there isn't the labor force one, and men
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: don't get any credit for it, and or they don't
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: like keeping the late infrastructure up doesn't pay as well
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: as doing a job in finance, financialism, moving symbols around,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: right it, it doesn't do it doesn't it doesn't pay
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: as well. So there's not as many men going into it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: And furthermore, they're no longer necessarily going to get a
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: family out of it, you know, they're they're no longer
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: taking part or supporting a society that actually makes their
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: love legible to women, which makes it gives it a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: value that has worse to women. Right, so they're checking out.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: There's no motive to do it anymore. But that's not
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: on men. That's on women. And again this guy is
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: he's advocating for women his side, liberal women who would
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: apply a two point three times penalty, like he has
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: to earn two point three times more money than any
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: other man. Now imagine that like this, Ultimately this does translate,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: like I was saying, this does eventually translate into taking
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: things out of the ground to fulfill, like to give
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: that two point three times more money something to buy, right,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying. Like that, eventually it translates
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to pulling it out of the earth. Yeah, So what
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: he's saying is there's no problem with women's demands. Bitch, please,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: women's demands are going to destroy our planet. And I'm
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: not even talking about global warming, which is you know,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: contestable just garbage, yeah, just non renewable resources. Like this
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: is what he's arguing. Women have the right to expect
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: men to be able to produce two point three times
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: more than they do. Well, that has to come somewhere.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe they should not do that. I mean, I'd like
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to continue to have a planet. Guy, Like maybe is
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: at what point can we say, hey, no, ladies, chill,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: you gotta and and and the thing is that they're
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: holding all of society hostage for this demand, this demand
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: that they get two point three times more material goods.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Like we're not gonna do anything, We're not gonna have
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: any children until you give us two point three times
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: more than we have. Now that's what we demand. That's
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: like nobody's like, no, actually, that's that's completely irrational. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: also why are you demanding so much?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Can we look at the social pressures or the the
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: what women have been taught that's much vaunted education and
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: ask ourselves or women being taught things that encourage them
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: to have these ridiculous expectations and they are ridiculous, Like,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: let's just take men out of the picture. Okay, can't
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: kind I keep coming back to this, but it's so crazy.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Take men out of the picture. Eventually that two point
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: three percent are times extra income you know, has to
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: come from somewhere, like the material goods have to come
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: from somewhere, and it's it's just like you can't keep
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: allowing this, Like at what level do we say no,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: it's too much? Ladies, we got one earth, that's all
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you get, right, men can't magic up another two point
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: three earths. I actually got the correct estimation guys, it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: two point three. I mean it'll keep going, right, It's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: just now it's two point three, and like twenty years,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: it will probably be a dozen more earths. You better
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: start working on your on your reality warping skills, guys,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: to get ready for the inflation that's coming in terms
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: of women's expectations, because you're gonna have to start magicing
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: up twelve more earths for them. Otherwise you're just not
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: You're just not living up to your side of the bar. Again, guys,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I think at this point, you know, the only thing
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: we can do is start saying, why are men or
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: why are women's expectations insane? And could there be anything
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: that they're being taught that's causing their expectations to be insane? Okay,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you want to do some more and I'm talking a
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: lot of maybe play some.
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: More, Okay, kind of falling apart, and now we're claiming
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: that men are still doing the best.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not necessarily that they're doing the best. It's
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: not necessarily that they're doing perfectly. But I guarantee you
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: if men would ticulate and like this is a possibility,
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: these sort of things have happened before. If there was
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: some sort of a revolt where men were like, you
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: know what, what's in it for me? Like, I'm not
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: going to do this anymore because I can't really have
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: any of the benefits that I would have had or
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: that my grandparents would have had. I can't buy a home,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: I can't have access to like a noble, loyal, virtuous wife,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: all these sorts of things. Then I think that we
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: would see actually detrimental effects on society and there would
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: be roving bands of people killing each other and there
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: would be a vacuum of power that opened up, or
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: they would just all turn into sort of pacified gibbs.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Are they not already pacified?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: So he's saying that men they're like they could like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: check out completely, and they are. That's part of what's
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: happening as well. I think men are just like, well,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: what's the point. I'm not getting anything out of this?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And I think Jake is acknowledging that reality.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: So yes, but again, this is now turn two that
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: we are on blaming men or not blaming men, And
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: literally this is this guy's frame that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: That's the other guy that set that up. I think
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: he's trying to get it back there but yeah, yeah,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: but I would have probably I would have probably just
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: rejected right off the Bat'll be like, look, this has
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with men, but I think he you know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: or or I would have tried to make a case
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: like that. I would have said, well, if men are
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: checking out, maybe it's because what's the point, Like, why
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: would you help a society that shits all over you
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: all the time? And where does that shitting all over
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: them come from? Well, I give you one guess.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Ye, No, I don't think so. I think that you
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: look around everywhere and you see, like, there's a guy
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: here I was just spoken to who's like, you know,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: hobbling around because he got hit by shrapnel in a war,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: and there's you know, the lights are still on here.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: We still have all of this dangerous infrastructure. We still have.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: You like a lot of people think that they flush
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: their toilet and just sort of goes, which you know, down,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: but you know, there's infrastructure beneath the roads and sewage
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: plants and men who are in shit plumbing to do
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: these sorts of things and the like. That's all still
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: happening today. But what's not happening is we're not like
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: sustaining our birth rates.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Right, And I've work around that kind of stuff with
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: infrastructure and whatnot, and it always kind of feels like
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: we're just almost there. I do want to get to
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: the prompt though, Yeah, because I was yeah, well, yeah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Jake, thank you. No, No, I'm hoping
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that he actually I'm just wondering. I haven't why this.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a prediction. I don't know if this
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: is gonna come true. I'm I'm maybe like sixty percent
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: thinking it. Well, I'm guessing Jake will attempt to drag
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: it back to the topic multiple times, and this guy
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: will simply go back to men or the problem. Men
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: aren't stepping up. Men are gimps. Men are worthless, right,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And part of the reason why is because the man,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: the blonde dude, the Ryan like low rent rise Ryan Gosling. There,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: he does not.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I said, tu Ryan Gosling.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim, that's a good one. Yeah, I'm glad I asked,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: all right, yes, bargain Ben Ryan Gosling. He does not
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: recognize men's side of the ledger. Okay, so this guy's
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Jake is gonna be like, but this is what men
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: are adding to society, and he, the other dude, is
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: not going to recognize that because he can't acknowledge the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: things that men provide society because that actually is against
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: that runs against his ideology that men only provide, only dominate,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and only benefit, they don't sacrifice. So's he's going to
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: resist that, I think. But maybe we can get back
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: on the topic of feminism. I mean, we're talking now
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: what five minutes in and we've been talking about how
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: to blame men, not to blame men whatever.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well okay, but I just want to can
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I just acknowledge that this conversation would normally in the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: like before, you would not have heard someone defending men say,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you know, the lights are on and the plumbing works
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and the roads are maintained, and it's because of men. Right,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: That's that's a new thing we're seeing more of now. Yes,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So I just want to say credit where credit is due,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: because that is the foundationally, the best starting argument if
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: you're going to try to say men are not doing
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: their part or whatever, which, by the way, the idea
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: that men are not doing their part or they're not
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: stepping up or they're whatever that comes from the it's
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: is it in the back mentality where you don't you
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: don't think that anything that you have in your world
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: was created. It was just there. It was just there already,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: like when you woke up, right and I got it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give credit where it's due. Okay, Jake,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: for his flaws, is acknowledging that men are the reason
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: why they're able to have the debate on the internet
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: in a well lit, air conditioned building that has plumbing
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and electricity and they have parking lots and cars and gasoline.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: That's the reason, all right, And he's acknowledging that, So
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, at the risk of learning something. I remember
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: when the argument like this is something that I saw,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't know what you want to call it,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: conservative trad con that whole idea of weak men create week.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Art hard time time.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And then I remember a lot of that
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: conversation years ago, and I remember saying to it, I
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: don't think men are the ones who are failing here.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I think men are still doing everything they used to do.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I remember this because that used to be that used
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: to be the big thing that everyone was talking about.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: And I went against it, and I said, I don't
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: think that's accurate. I don't think men are actually failing.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're failing society. I don't think they're
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: failing to uphold whatever it is. And I don't even know,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: like like these guys are taking these jobs voluntarily, right,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: So this isn't even a situation where you know, there's
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: this expectation and men are living up to it. It's
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: just what men do. They want to take responsibility for
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: these things or these difficult things, because it's an aspect
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: of masculinity. And I don't think it's ever stopped. Yeah,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think men have stopped carrying their load. And
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: it just aggravated me that week. Men create bad times, right,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and it's just no. And I specifically remember when that
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: argument was going around, and I'm really glad to see
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: that that's getting more mainstream traction. Stop this nonsense about
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: men not doing their work right, not doing their job.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: They have one. Continue to be men and do what
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: men do, which is carry stuff like heavy home in
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: it offspring. All right, let's go, let's keep going.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: The prompt is that feminism is a death trap. It
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: leads to that. Let's just say it to the death
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: of its own ideology. And I'll explain what I mean
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: by that. So, if feminism wants to seek out egalitarianism,
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: and they want to put women in higher education, and
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: they want to have more women having access to the workforce,
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: and ultimately what feminism is, it's the dismantling of the
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: family unit. That was the original goal of feminism. They
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: said that in order to be truly liberated, women need
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: to be oppressed from the shackles of their loving families
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: and their children and all these sorts of things. So
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: if that is the goal, then obviously women are going
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: to forego having children in pursuit of this more noble virtue. Apparently,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: so if they're foregoing children, then they're not reproducing themselves.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Then someone else is going to be reproducing and it's
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: not going to be the feminists, and so that ideology
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: ends up taking over.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's his argument. Do you what do you
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: think about that?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I think it's a good argument, Like if you don't want, well,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: did you have a comment, because I think that, I mean,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I Ki kolb Be stated, I mean.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: It's in line with the prompt. I mean, I don't
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: know if he would argue that it does more than just,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you know, destroy itself, because if it only if it
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: only destroyed itself, then I wouldn't even complain that it exists.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: But it's not. It's taking everybody with it. And the
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: thing is when he says if if feminists are not reproducing,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: someone else is the problem is is that the majority
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: of women are feminists. Even if they claim to be
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: right wing, they're feminists. It doesn't matter. And if the
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: majority of women are not having kids, but let's say
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: there's another group of women from another culture, maybe one
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: with a slightly different religion, and they're having lots and
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: lots of kids. See, that's the the The downside is
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: not that it would kill feminism. The downside is that
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: would destroy everything the modern world. That's what I would argue.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: But I would that's me taking it to the next
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: logical step. So but anyway, yeah, yeah, he's yeah, I
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: mean like on its own, it's fine. Yeah, like it's
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it's it's fine on its own, but yeah, it's uh.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Well, And I would say that if feminism is causing
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: women to increase their providership expectations of men to ridiculous
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: extremes like two point three three times more. Uh, and
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: men are literally incapable of doing that, right, they're they're
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: just that's not that that takes you from a middle
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: income to a top, like the top quintile of income.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah two point three Yeah, sure, that's that's feminist women
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: wanting the top twenty percent of men in terms of
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: income to find a.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Short cut to upward mobility.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that, honestly, that's exactly you know, you just
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: you just put that final puzzle piece in place, Thank you, Brent.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: It's a shortcut to upward mobility. It's a whole suite
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: of bullshit ideas that's simp Please, are a woman thinking
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: that she should have the top quintile and every virtue
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: is nonsense because again, if they genuinely held, if feminist
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: women genuinely held their virtues, they would be attracted to
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: feminist men, they would want to get with them, have children,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: and raise them in with their virtues. But they don't,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: which is exactly what he's saying, and that gives lie
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: to what feminism really is. What it really is is
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: upward mobility, or or women's attempts to justify upward mobility
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: that their ass can't cash yep. Anyway, All right, Okay.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Let's keep going. See what he says.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Do you not want educated women teaching children?
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: Educated women? What do you mean by educated?
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: Like maybe they go through some college and schooling and
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: then they are better equipped to teach their children.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: No, No, I don't. I don't necessarily even see why,
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: like like you mean like a teaching degree.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: Or like not necessarily, but get a lot more information
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: on grand scheme of things. Like my mother I was
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: actually homeschool but she went through college and she was
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: I think got our master's in some sort of mathematics
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: and stuff like That's just really helped me a lot
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: with that. But it's kind of cool to have that
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: basis for her instruction for me.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: I get why that would have been helpful, But like
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: when if you if you need to get a college
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: education to teach infants, I don't really see why you
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: why you necessarily need that, Like I'm sure you could
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: get a high school education and you could be a
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: human being as your wits about you. You could teach
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: children about like one plus one is two and basically I.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Could jump ahead if you want like that. He's just
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: getting into like what the homeschooling things about.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like a digression, like this isn't about
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: educated women, all right, commentators.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I think he's trying to the guy, the guy who
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: is challenging Jake is trying to I think he's trying
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to do gotcha of Well, don't you think women should
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: be able to teach? And and then by the extension,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: they should work in the you know, be in the workforce. Now,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Jake didn't make an argument, but like, you know, this guy,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I think he's trying to like maneuver him into a
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: corner here by saying, oh, you don't want women to work?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Right, So, but maybe I'm too autistic because right here,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how did feminism is a death cult become
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: you don't like educated women teaching their children. It's like, well,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: he realized that there are other forms of education. Well,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't call feminism an education. It's like anti education.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: It's reversing intelligence. But there are other there is education.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: There are other branches in academia other than feminism, women's
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: studies that women could go into or and did in
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the past. Like the conflation between feminists and educated women
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: is like and now he's defending this idea that and
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: this is the problem is that this is irrelevant, right,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: And this is the argument I bring up, Like women
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: have been educated throughout all of human history.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. But I mean, yeah, this guy probably
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have known that. I think he would think that,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: you know, feminism is what allowed women to be get
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: in education, because that's what everybody, all the normies think
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that that's a normy belief.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not true. No, women, and that's that is
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the absolute pinnacle of harem girl beliefs. The thing is
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: that women have always had to have an education relevant
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to whatever contribution they made to their families. Okay, and
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: that is true around the world. It's just undercounted the
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: educations that women get, like an education and being a
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: homesteader is an education, right. And there's all kinds of
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: foods that no longer exist, for example, in the US,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: because the women who understood how to process the materials
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: that went into those food did not. We're not able
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: to teach their daughters and their granddaughters because they all
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: got an education in being feminists. And ironically, I think
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: it would be a much more useful set of skills
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: to know how to take your immediate environment and have
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: a get like a living off of it. Yeah, because
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: that that actually gives you true independence, it gives you
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: true security. But that's what was lost that education in
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: favor of a feminist education. And so the point that
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I'm making is that women have always been educated in
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: whatever they needed to know in order to contribute to
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: their families. So right off the bat, this is a
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: false dichonomy. And I don't know, it feels like, yeah,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: let's move forward if we can just get out for this,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: because I feel like this is going to be like
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: a rabbit hole.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the next guy.
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: So leads to the death of itself along with the
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: death of Okay.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I have to say this, it's really snide and caddy,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: but I don't know. I think that they're of all
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the men here, women would generally be much more attracted
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to one of them than the others and kind along.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I joking. I'm joking, all right, But let's listen to
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: his argument.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Let's exists that they earned two point three times more.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Now that's just me being caddy.
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: Let's let's flattering leads to the death of itself along
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: with the death of millions of children, millions of children.
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: Why why do feminists lean more towards, you know, aborting
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: their children.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Well, I actually think that it's like a demonic inversion.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: And this is maybe a little bit off topic, but
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: I believe that there's something inherent about human sacrifice in
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: the human condition when we stray far enough away from
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: the good, Like, for example, in Christianity, one of the
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: central themes is it's like sacrifice. Jesus says, this is
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: this is my body, and I give it to you.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: I sacrifice it for you, I die for you. But
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: feminists they say the same thing, this is my body,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: but I get to do what I want with it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: It's my body, and I get to kill inside it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: It's not that I'm sacrificing against that I'm killing. So
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: I think that there's a there's like a demonic.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Well, that's still sacrifice, child sacrifice, that's.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: All satanic inversion that goes on there. I think that
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: it's a it's a spiritual thing, but in terms of
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: a practical level, I think.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't have gone there either. I was actually
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: kind of annoyed with that because the thing is, I
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: think that Jake only reced, we converted, so let's go
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: easy on them for that. But ultimately, women are killing
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: their bab No. I know, but he recently converted. But
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: women are. I think they're not getting abortions because they're
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: possessed by the spirit of Lilith or you know, the
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Satan's whispering into their ear to do it. They're doing
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it because they want to be liberated. Now, you could
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: argue that liberation itself is satanic. You could argue that,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and that be fine, But I don't think it's necessary
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: to make a theological argument at all. You can just
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: make a logical one. But he also, I think, does say, well,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: here's what I personally believe, but you probably wouldn't be
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: satisfied with that, so I'm going to give you a
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: different argument. So anyway, I.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Think that actually women are just completely and utterly propagandized
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: to think that this is some sort of like a
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: noble rite. Like I was at the table yesterday on
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: the No Fugesy podcast shout out to my boy, my
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: boy Coolly, and there was eight women with me and
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: me and my friend Cooley, and we asked them who
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: here wouldn't data Trump supporter and they're all raising their hands,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: and then I said, okay, what are the policies that
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: would make you not want to have a date? A
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: Trump supporter? And each one of them went around the
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: table and didn't know any policies, had no idea what
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: they were talking about. They were functionally retarded when it
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: came to politics. But each one of them said along
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: the lines of, well, you know, Trump doesn't want abortion,
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: so I think that it's just mass propaganda. And then
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: they understand that women don't tend to engage with ideas
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: and these sorts of things as much as men, and
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: they and that there's a very very big chunk of
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: low information women who would just be able to be
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: propagandized and used by NGOs and used by political parties
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: to their ends.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, I think it's because you're dealing with a
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: lot of disregulated female mammals our moons. They yeah, well,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: they want to they probably want to get pregnant, and
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: they're managing to. And one of the things is this
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: is completely unnatural. They're managing to have enough casual sex
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: to increase the odds of getting pregnant in that circumstance.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: This is not something that really works for humans. And
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I know I'm pushing back against a lot of actually
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: really bad science, most of it associated a wretched, abominable
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: exit dawn. Science about para bonding, Yeah, science about para bonding,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: science about human reproduction, that kind of stuff, Like there
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: are about one for everyone. Actually there isn't even one
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: for every article, Like every scientific research paper on the
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: men's bonding hormones and pair bonding. There is like thousands
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: of psychology of men in masculinities papers talking about how
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: men are defined by feminist tropes about men. So we
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: have far less actual research into the endocrine basis of
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: human pair bonding than we do into how men actually
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: resemble feminist stereotypes about men. Right, So there's this huge
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: lopsided amount of effort into this, and because of that,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I know that I'm pushing back against stuff. But my
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: ultimate point is this doesn't work for humans. We have
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: constructed a completely artificial scenario where women can access enough
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: casual sex to get pregnant, but that's not something that
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: would have occurred during our evolutionary history. And the reason
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: why I say that is because human reproduction is distinctly
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: different than the reproduction of promiscuous animals. Okay, First of all,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: promiscuous animals like for example, chimpanzees who mate promiscuously do
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: not have our sexually transmitted disease load. That's because their
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: immune systems or manage this activity promiscuous breeding. They're they're
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: able to manage it because that's how they evolved. We didn't.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: That's why one fourth of men of women have a
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: sexually transmitted disease. Now, because this was not this is
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: not intended to be how we reproduce, right. And then
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: the other thing is that humans are extremely poor breeders.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: So if you look at sperm quality, and this is
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: even even before all of the problems with plastics in
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the last like a couple decades or so, which may
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: be overstated as well, human men's sperm is not very
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: efficient and it's not very what they would call good
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: quality compared to promiscuous breeders. So the ultimate like yeah,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: and all you can see the difference is if you're
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: part of a promiscuously breeding species, you only need one
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: mating for the most part. That's it. That's it, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: then she's pregnant. Human beings need on average about eight
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: to ten months of fairly regular sex before a conception
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: is likely to occur, and that's if they're healthy and young. Okay,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: so that's very poor breeding. So what does that suggest.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: It suggests that the man who or the male hominid
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that sticks around and does eight to ten months of
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: breeding is the one that's going to win. At that
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: point they're bonded. And why is that? Because again, human
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: children require the greatest amount of paternal investment in the
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: entire animal kingdom. That translates to the highest level of
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: pair bonding in the animal kingdom. We are unnaturally paara
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: bonded like unlike sex that Dawn wants to say, we
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: probably suffer more from an excess of genetic fidelity. And
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I know that some people will say, oh, but all
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: the like the paternal uncertainty and stuff like that. When
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: you look at populations that aren't self selecting or sub
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Saharan Africa, like I prefer not to. You know, they
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: have their issues. But if you don't look at those
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: those populations, you're looking at like a five percent. And
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to undercut the horror of it, because
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: it's ugly. Women should not be having children that aren't
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: the the social father, the presumptive father. That is a
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: disgusting behavior on par with rape as far as I'm concerned,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: But generally it's not that common among humans five to
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: two percent. And compare for example, beavers that are also
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: pair bonders. They're actually social pair bonders, and they're maternity
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: is thirty percent, not like thirty percent unknown or not
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: the social father. The only thirty percent of the offspring
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: are actually fathered by the beaver taking care of them
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: and raising them all right, So we are actually really
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: on the high end. And again this would suggest that
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: what women are doing now is completely disregulated behavior. But
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: because they're still mammals, they still want to reproduce, so
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: they're getting pregnant, but then they don't bring it to
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: term because they don't have a man who's showing up
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: and is dependable, which is what really unlocks female reproduction.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: So it's all a bunch of disregulated tragedy that's going on.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: That would be what I'm saying, what I would say
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: is happening. And it's based on this, like you were saying, Brian,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: this desire for upward mobility.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, uh yeah, it's like the game Genie
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: for upward mobility. Lets you put in the cheat code.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I will say my one criticism of this, and I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: will criticize Jake. I don't like because I see this
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm not a big fan of them
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: saying well, women women have been propagandized into it, because
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: it still puts them in a victim position. It's just
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: they're the victims of feminism and that, and that's I
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: don't like that because it first of all, I wouldn't
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: fly with men period, like at all. You wouldn't be
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: able to say, well, they've been propagandized to be you know,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: man children or whatever whatever, whatever the charge is. So
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: that's just my one. It's maybe it's just a nitpick,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: but that would be I would say, look, look, man,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: these these chicks are adults. They know what they're doing.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: They just they just they're just spoiled children. They want
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: what they want. They don't care about the consequences. It
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: just comes down to they're chasing comforts. There. They are,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: in fact the biggest man children, but they're women. They're
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: women children. They're worse than man children because you know,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: a manchild, which we always rag on, they're guilty of
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: what being living at home with their parents, playing video
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: games in their mom's basement. But they're not hurting anybody.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: They're just like, if anything, the only life they're destroying
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: is their own. If that is the case, usually they
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: shake out of it and they go, you know, do something.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: But women, these women are not They're actually infecting everybody
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: else with this, and they're still childish. They are the
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Disney adults. They are the people who you know, they
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: endlessly blog, they try to get on the government, you know, programs.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Because they're women, they are more likely to get on them.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: You know, a man child can't do it unless he's
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: disabled or something. So they're worse. They're much worse than
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: a failure to law man right. And one of the
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: problems is that we are you know, we are sort
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: of softening that too much by saying, well, you know,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: you're poor. You you are propagandized by by the sisterhood. No,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: you're you're part of the sisterhood. You chose it because
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: you wanted to live an easy life. That's why you
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: did it. And you thought by bitching and moaning about
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the system and men and everything else, and you know,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: you're not getting in a free shit, you're not getting it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: So like, like I would say, Manifestel is a good
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: example of just that she is a chud. She is
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: a female chud. She doesn't work, she's lazy, she doesn't
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: have like any ambitions. She just wants to do her thing,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: and she makes videos and complains about everybody else. And
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I think that she's a lot worse than you know,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: some I don't know, asmen gold or something. I mean,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: asmen goals make it real money. But you know what, chud,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Even know if chud really really culvers it, because a
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: chud often has job right and yeah, well guiding something.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Into their I don't know I'm saying. I'm talking about
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: people that are usually throwing that. Yeah, she's a scrub.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: She's a scrub like Baroness. Festel is a scrub. And
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you can, you can be a content creator,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: but you don't have to be a content creator basically
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: making money off of making your audience's life worse, which
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: is what Manifestel does, right, I mean think about it.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I mean as much as you I will call out
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Manisphere dudes for selling men the impossible, like they'll say,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: you know, women's standards are impossible. Here's how you live
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: up to their standards. At the same time, as at least,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: if a guy follows the advice of the manisphere, he'll
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: get fit, improve his finances, maybe get more education, you know,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: develop some skills and hobbies that expand his personality or whatever.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, he's net positive
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: by engaging with the manosphere, even if he doesn't have
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: a girlfriend, which is that's not where if you want
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: to get a girlfriend, I don't think you're That's where
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: we need to work on at this point. Where we
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: need to work on is challenging all of the lies
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: about men and their worth as partners that have been
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: perpetuated over the last two generations. But regardless, if you
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: look at what Manifestell does, she basically just says, raise
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: your standards, ladies. Why these women need Manifestell to tell.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Them that do less demand more?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Do less demand more, Which if you're not, if that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: hasn't worked for you by the time you're twenty nine,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: it's going to return less and less and less past
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: twenty nine. Okay, So what manifest is all is doing
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: is saying to the women be lonely be alone. You
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: if you choose to do what I tell you to do,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: you are going to be alone. You are never going
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: to get a man. And you don't want a man,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: right because you don't want to scrub Right, you want
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: you want Prince Charming, who's capable of magicking up a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: second Earth for you. Right, that's what you want. You
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: got hold out for him. Well, what that actually sells
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: to her audience is let your assets depreciate, lose out
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: any opportunity of any kind of happiness in a relationship,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: die alone. Like really, that's what she should say. There
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: should be like a cautionary tale like Surgeon General Warner
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: h Following Manifestel's advice will lead to a materially worse
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: position for you in your life. Yep, right, that's that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: At least when men engage with the manisphere, the manisphere
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: is telling you to make positive changes that Like, like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I said, even if you don't have any girlfriend, at
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're fitter, your finances are better,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Right, Manifestell is advocating or telling her audience
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: to do things that harm them, that do things that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: destroy their position. Right, she is actively harming her audience
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: so there's a big difference there. So I would qualify
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: that as a scrub, right, that is even worse like
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: a not even a grifter, Like, what's worse than a grifter?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: What's worse than a grifter?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Con artist?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe a thief. I don't know.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: A Hayes artist manifestol is a Hayes artist, okay, and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: that that that qualifies her as a scrub, not just
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: a content creator, a Hayes artist and a scrub. And
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: you're right, Ryan, she's uh, we don't have those words
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: for women, and we should. We honestly should. Okay, you
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: know what I was thinking about that, because they have
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: the word pick me. Yeah, I've started to realize that
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: when I get called a pick me, I'm just going
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: to start referring to the women who say that about
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: me as the as the unpicked. Yeah, the unpicked.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: The unpicked. Uh Okay, that sounds like like a title
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: for like an ancient you know, warrior or something. All right, So, uh,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: I got I got some super things and by and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: also I want to ask because I noticed so this
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: stream is dual streaming, so there's no vertical separately, but
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: there is a vertical and I think what it does
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: is supposedly combines both chats into one, so the special
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: chat is merged into the regular chat. And I do
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: see a bunch of new people. So let me ask,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: if you've never seen this before and you came across
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: this video, how did you come across the live stream?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Answer that for me. I want to know how this
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: like dual streaming thing works. So Humans VD three two
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: six sixty nine gave us five dollars and said it's
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: all about having no accountability in regards to feminism and abortion.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that. And Nova Fan twenty one gave
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: us a dollar and said, normies, omg, those poor women
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: were tricked by feminism. Those girls were helpless. Also, normies,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: boys are being tricked by Andrew Tate into hating women.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: We must shame boys even more. Yeah, exactly. Let no,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: not just shame boys. Pass laws, you know, arrest them,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: make movies about them. I mean it's like they're like
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: legitimately concerned about boys being radicalized, but not girls. Okay,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: so let's keep going. And also, by the way, one
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: last thing, I actually find it a lot more comfortable
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: responding to men debating than women, like these videos with
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: women giving their opinions. My eyes glaze over and I'm like,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Like, I can't with all
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: of the ways that women communicate. And I apologize. It's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: because I'm a dude, I guess, But okay, let's keep going.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: Well, obviously they buy into the propaganda, so it's appealing
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: to them. And couldn't men sacrifice something so that women
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: would be more willing to have children?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Could men sacrifice even more? You're talking about it again,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: what are you taught? Could men sacrifice? Maybe? Have you
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: tried taking out the trash, men doing some of the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: doing some of the household labor. It's always that, right,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: stupid things doing the dishes. Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Sorry, it's also false. Statistically, when men do more household labor,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: they are more likely to get divorced. Yeah, so that's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: not what they want, and it's just what they want
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to complain about. There's a difference between what women want
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: and what women want to complain about. Yeah, feminism has
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: about ninety nine percent of what they want to complain about,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: not what women want. Because when you actually look at
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: the studies or the statistics from the General Social Survey
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: and the other one, the ACEES or something you find
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: that women just want, like especially feminist women, women on
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: the left, they just want more money. They want men
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: to earn two point three times more. So, what this
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: guy is actually saying is, have men considered earning two
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: point three times more than they do now? Have they
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: considered that?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's not you know what, that's not
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: at all unfair to assume. But okay, let's let's keep going.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Let's see how he responds.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: What do you mean by sacrifice?
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: Something like more men staying at home moments? You know,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: women don't like to be constrained. They're complaining a lot
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: about you know. It's a trap, it's a trap.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I appreciate that you playing devil's advocate. I
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: know you're doing the best job that you possibly can.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: But if men were to stay home on mass and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: women were to pursue their careers, that's like the exact
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: same problem is that they just are going to full
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: go having children and that doesn't help anything. And they've
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: actually tried this to an extent in Scandinavian countries, for example,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: they've tried to give a lot of benefits to women
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: where they can have a lot of maternal leave and
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: and everything. But it just doesn't doesn't help at all.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: It's it's a cultural problem, and we need to address
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: the cultural problem. Fair enough, Thank you, sir good Man.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Uh, do you want to say anything about that the.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Men sacrifice?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: More? Know about about him saying if women enter, because
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: he's like, well, men could stay at home and be
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: fathers and uh and women could go.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Sure, But he said women work, they're they're they're not
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: going to have kids, is what he's saying. If they're working,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: they're not going to have children. I mean, maybe they
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: will in some cases. I know that people work things out,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: but this is Jake's argument.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's false, like women have worked throughout all
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: of human history and had children. But but I mean, ultimately,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: I think the problem is this idea, like he's seeding
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: the frame like while men can't sacrifice this because it
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: won't work. Well, why should men have to sacrifice? That's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: what I would say, Why do men have to sacrifice? Further? Right,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: And the other thing is that why should men sacrifice
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: in a situation where every sacrifice they make is ignored?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: You notice that, right, So that's the real problem. It's
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: not that oh well, if men stay at home, women
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: won't have children. Possibly, yes, like the statistics on that
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: are not good. But the other thing is that why
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: should men have to sacrifice?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Why is it? Again? Like you're in response to feminism
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: is a death cult? The response is, well, why can't
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: men sacrifice more? Not the question? But also why is everyone?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Like why are they all going to that? Now? I
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: think there must be something more going on between the two,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: these two because he's saying that the guy's playing the
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: devil's advocate. But here's a couple things too. Why don't
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: men sacrifice more? One, the sacrifice isn't acknowledged, and it's
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: the acknowledgment of the sacrifice that needs to happen to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: change things. And if feminism continues to be a ideology
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: that tells women to ignore men's sacrifices, nothing changes, Like
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: if I'm right, And the thing that unlocks women's reproduction
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: because their pair bonders is a dependable man as a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: man who shows up, who gives the characteristics of somebody
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: who's willing to carry around, you know, a child for
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: like seven years, a man who shows up, a man
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: who's dependable. Then the reverse of that is she has
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: to be okay with depending on him, becoming dependent on him.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: And if feminism tells women that is when you are
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: that that is the point at which you are annihilated
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: as a person, then how can women ever get to
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: the point of being dependent on a man or or
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: or get over this like insecurity about well, if I
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: become dependent on him, I become annihilated as a person, right,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: because that's how he oppresses me. Right, it's creating so
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: much cognitive dissonance in women. And to say, well, if
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: men can make women more dependent on them, no, right,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: that's not going to help when the problem is that
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: feminism tells women that becoming dependent on men is how
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: they're oppressed. Right, you got to You've got to change that, right,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: just change it. Be like, no, Actually, when men provide
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: for you, when they step up, when they show up,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: when they becomes somebody you depend on, that is actually
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: them caring about you. I know it's a shock, but
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: that means they care. That feminists are wrong. When men
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: show up and commit that isn't them oppressing you and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: hating you. That's actually men caring about you. You see
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: the problem here, like how it's been mischaracterized and you
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: can't like, you can't well show up more for them? Like, what,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: that's his solution? Men just need to show up more
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: for women. And then feminists will say, oh, he's showing
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: up for you, he's making himself dependable. Do you become
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: dependent on him? Well, that's him hating you and annihilating
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: you and oppressing you. So every time people say well,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: men just need to do more, it just feeds the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: same bullshit cycle. Right, It just feeds the same cycle
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: of bullshit. It just becomes more on the ledger, the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: feminist ledger of men's oppression. So the only thing we
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: can do is the menosphere can't keep saying men just
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: just jump through higher and hire hoops when the problem
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: is this framing of men jumping through hoops for women. Right,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: we got to step off the merry go round. Right,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: We gotta stop looking at it in terms of the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: next thing that men have to sacrifice for women, which
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: will become the next thing that men women depend on
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: them for, which will become the next way men oppressed women,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: which puts this in another round of the bullshit cycle. Right,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: we got to step away from all of that and
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: just slap the feminists in minecraft there you go.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I got another rumble ram from Nova
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Fan twenty one. He says, midwies like these soy boys
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: are why I prefer rage baiting them based on their
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: feminist straw man of the nineteen fifties for a dollar,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Noba fan. All right, let's get back to
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: it now. He's gonna get talk to the next guy.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: Actually, can I can I just call? Like, guys, where
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: are the super chows? Feed the Badger dot com slash
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: just the tip send them in? Yeah, you guys, don't
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I noticed that you guys don't really send in a
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: lot on the shows that I'm on. I'm starting to
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: feel like you're sending me a message. Feed the Patrick
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: dot com slash just the tip please. Okay, let's all right, let's.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Keep going, sir good man, I've been married for nineteen years.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: And all right, so he's saying, I've been married for
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: nineteen years. Yeah, he looks, he looks defeated.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: This guy.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: This guy, this guy is Okay, let's just let's just go.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: She's the most independent and strong person that I've ever known,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: and I've achieved a lot of my life. Well, you
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have to half of what I've done without her
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: standing behind me with her arms folded.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: So with their arms folded. Wow, Okay, all right, let's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: just let's just keep going. I actually feel bad for this.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: Guy, to be honest, but her having the choice to
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: do what she wants and to stop me doing my
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: stupid things. I see women having the rights to choose
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: as a benefit for everybody, because men are locking stupid.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: We're not smart. We make stupid mistakes all of the time.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: I do it every single day. I called that guy
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: retired the other day, and I completely regret it. I
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: thought what you were saying was retarded. But I should
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: not have said that. I was wrong to do that,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: and I've apologized, and I should not have ever seen you.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: I make stupid mistakes. And I'll tell you what, I
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have made that mistake. If my wife was sitting
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: next to me, she would have slapped me in the
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: face before I'd even got those words out of my mouth.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're abused. So he's like, my wife would
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: have struck me on the face if I'd have said
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: something so dumb. Dude, do you think you see Jake's react?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: That's mine right now?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, so you're you're a victim of controlling abuse,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: which UK doesn't recognize because you're a man. Well, also
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Australia is in the same position, and you are justifying
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: the fact that your wife is apparently a controlling abuser.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: And also, of course you're successful. Your wife is probably
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: a liberal or on the left or whatever it is
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: in the in the UK fuzzle bottom whatever the left
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: is called in the UK, uh labor and.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: They're leftists everywhere.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: But go on, yeah, yeah, but I mean likely the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: same situation applies in the UK as the US. So
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: in order to be married, he would have had to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: earn substantially more than a man who wasn't part of
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: his political position. I guess that, like so, so, we
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: have a situation where his wife is is a controlling abuser,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: and not just that he had to earn to probably
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: had to earn a similar amount, more so two three
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: times more than a conservative man in his position to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: even get her. I don't know, guys, do you think
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: this guy is a good sales pitch for.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: He looks like a hostage, He looks he looks like
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: he's coming to Jake, Like, please talk about the women
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: folk like this, they're so powerful. He's not wrong.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Imagine, but could you imagine? Okay, this is this is
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: the sales pitch. Guys, you can earn two point three
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: times more than you do now or on average, right,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: and then you can have a wife like his. That
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: that'll be your That'll be your reward at the end
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: of the day if you're on the left. And I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: don't mean like Bernie bro I mean you know an
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: LGBTQ plus ally yeah, because they've they've excommunicated the Bernie bros. Anyway,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: so let's continue.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: I think this is a this is a basic logical fallacy.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: It's an appeal to the sempory. And I don't I
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: don't really think that you basically saying my wife is
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: awesome and I'm so stupid and I'm a big dummy,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: and if it wasn't for my wife, then I'd just
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: sort of be dead or homeless or in prison. Like,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: I actually don't think that that's the case. I think
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: that women are actually actually much more likely to need
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: the guidance of men than the other way around.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: And also, okay, also, isn't that expecting something? But if
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: he's right and that it was his wife's input, Actually
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: nineteen years when he looks like he's in fifties, sixties.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's in the sixties. He's probably in
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: his early fifties. Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe maybe late forties.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but regardless, that's not really that long to
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: be married when you're in your fifties. But I shouldn't.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't flex like that. But anyway, what was I
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: gonna say? I don't know this idea that his wife,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: even in a control freak way, stood by him while
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: he became a man worth having or whatever he's trying
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: to say. Even that is not acceptable to the sprinkle
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: sprinkle cloud. But even that is too much work.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: I thought the patriarchy gave him everything that he has anyways, Like,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: how how can you how can a woman give you something?
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Women can't do anything? Patriarchy does all that stuff. Dude,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: recognize where you get all your powers? Yeah, I know,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: I know. See, I'm not making the argument like I
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: expect to change any minds on it. I'm just pointing
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: out how ridiculous it is, both the patriarchy claim and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: his claim that his wife makes it possible, but go on.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, My point is the sprinkle sprinkle crowd, their
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: their bare minimum has moved well beyond his wife's bare minimum. Yeah, right,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: so he has he's completely defunct, like he's he's obsolete,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: like whatever arrangement he has with his wife, that's worse.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Now a man can't even expect his wife to support
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: him while he attains success. He must come pre loaded
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: with success, right, you see what I'm saying. So the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: deal that he got isn't even the deal that he
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: can speak to now that exists now, and that deal
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: that exists now, like he's talking about the feminist deal
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: from like twenty years ago, is what I'm saying. The
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: feminist deal from twenty years ago is apparently, be a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: total simp. Kiss your wife's ass. She'll support she'll enjoy
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: supporting you to become more.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Responsible into being the thing she wants.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she'll bully you into being the things she wants.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: But even that deal is not good enough. Now feminism
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: has worked on women for another twenty years. Right, so
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: we're now twenty years past the deal he got. Now,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: the deal is a woman shouldn't even have to be
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: in a relationship and do anything, any kind of supporting thing,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: even bullying a man. Right, he should come prate, preloaded
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: with all of the features that she wants.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they don't want to build a man, they
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: want him to show up completely assembled.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: And so he's he's talking about a feminist deal that
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: is now twenty years out of date. That's the position
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: he's from. Yepy and in another twenty years and it's
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: still a shit deal. But yeah, exactly, it's probably the
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: deal that now conservative women are offering men yep, because
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: conservative women only lag like a liberal woman from twenty
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: five years. Yeah, by twenty years. So now a conservative
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: woman will stand by you if you allow her to
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: bully the shit out of you. But it used to
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: be that that used to be the liberal deal. Now
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: it's the conservative deal and the sprinkle sprinkle deal now
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: that liberal women have, that'll be the conservative women's deal
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: in twenty years. And at that point we probably will
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: have collapse because of the labor crisis.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Insustainable. Yeah, all right, albatross, send a super chow ah.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: So we did get somebody do it for five And
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: he says sounds like feminists slash women demand more and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: more while reciprocating less than nothing. So it's just needless disguise,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: neediness disguised as virtue. I've altered the social contract. Pray
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I don't alter it further.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly, that's exactly it. And they get to
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: say this because men's ledgers always erased, and it's erased
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: because everything men do to make do for women. This
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: is the trick, guys. Everything men do for women is
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: translated into making women dependent on them, which is translated
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: into men oppressing women, which is translated into men getting
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: the benefit of feeling like a man because they dominate
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: women by making them, by oppressing them, by making them dependent.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: That's that is the mechanism of completely negating men's side
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: of the ledger of what they contribute to us to
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: a relationship. And twenty years ago, this guy could get
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: a deal of well, will you let me be in
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: a relationship if you can bully me right and you
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: can feel like all of my successes are really your successes.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: And then the woman was like, that's fun, you know,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: And now in this age, don't even get that, because
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: even that is too much. Even this guy is too respected.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: He's get his wife has given him too much. And
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: part of the reason why she thinks she's given him
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: too much is because the very simping he's engaging it
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: telling her that his success was really hers. Right, what
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: a big head this woman must have. And I don't
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: know what the hell is with men in the UK,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: but being abused by your wife? Yeah, don't lead with that,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: ship right, I.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Mean it's uh yeah, that's not a.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Position from which to to launch an argument as a man,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: as as an abused man, unless your next statement is
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: I deserve to have service committees? Are it with women?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Don't like And I my victimhood should be accounted equally
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: with women's. Yeah that No, As an abused man, I
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: feel that my makes my wife a better person. My
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: being abused by her has made me a better person.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Oh good lord, Like, where do you start with that?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Where do you start with that? Much? Like? Pressurized? Fuck? Okay?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: All right? So Dylan gave us a super chat for
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: five and said, of course the married man said men
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: are stupid. If if he didn't depreciate himself and his
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: own gender, his life wouldn't give him uh and cheeks?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: What okay? Thank you for that? And noba fan Oh no,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I got a sure chow.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: What are you sure he wants in cheeks?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just reading what it says. If
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: he didn't appreciate himself and his own gender, his life
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't give him and cheeks. So I don't know if
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: he means like cheeks that give him sex. Dick Forward,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: speaking of sex gives us ten dollars super Chow and
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: says men need to start asking themselves whether they'd rather
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: leave their children with a woman or a pit bull
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: as opposed to the bear. That's not bad. Nova Fan
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: twenty one gave us a dollar and said, normies, look, man,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: I know this looks like a no win situation, but
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: if you don't stand up and save women from themselves,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: then you're just a weak man. All right, thank you
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: for all of that.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: If men do it, if men, if men okay, if
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: men manage, okay, If tomorrow, men invent some trans I
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: don't know, trans anti matter device that produces the twelve
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: additional earths that will finally satisfy the greed of women
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: on the left right. By making those women dependent, those
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: men are oppressing them, which means they owe hundred and
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: forty four earths and then and then, well, those liberal
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: women won't be satisfied until they get one hundred and
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: forty four earths for the audacity of men oppressing them
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: by giving the twelve verths. That's how it works. That's
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: the ratchet, that's the nurse ratchet system.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: All right, let's let's keep going.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. All the men I know
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: in my life, no matter how smart they are, they'd
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: be probably dead without the women in their lives.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: Remember, I know, I do think that you're just like
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: using a lot of hyperbole here. Look, women play an
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: integral role in men's lives, and like the symbiotic relationship
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: that you can form with a woman with a wife
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: is an incredibly important thing. And I see a lot
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: of the best men, all of the best men that
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: I know pretty much are the ones who are in
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: long term marriages and they have like the counsel of
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: their wife.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: But uh important thing.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. But I don't really see how
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: this actually relates to the prompt though about how feminism
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: is is.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: My point is that women have the bit is to choose,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: and because of feminism, so they can choose to stop
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: the men doing the stupid things and not be in
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: that subservient role of just doing what they're told and
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: being in their place in the house.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: What a stupid fucking argument, feminism. But but it's actually
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: very where.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Women can have opinions on things. Oh god, they were,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: they were, But now I know we got to kill
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: feminism then when women will never have an opinion on
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: anything ever again, because we all have defeated the beast.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: Sorry, when women, when women had control over the domestic sphere,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: they were never allowed an opinion.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: It's just it is a stupid argument. But let's let's uh,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: maybe we should get to something that's a little meteor
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: but I'll let let this continue.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's yeah, let's keep.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: I wonder if his wife is watching this debate, like
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: she's sitting in the audience, like like, what are you
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: gonna say? Are you gonna side with this this guy?
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: I wonder what she thinks when she looks at Jake
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: rattlesnake versus.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: Abortion that I haven't really forminated the thoughts. Please bear
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: with me.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: I'm oh, okay, well let me let's go back.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: And yeah, he's abortion, he's talking about abortion.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go back a little bit.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: But my vote is for ditching this dude unless you
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: think he has something more interesting to say.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: I think this is the dude for the rest of
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: the show, So good lord.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, you're being an abused man is not a
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: sales pitch for feminism, because what you're saying effectively is
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: feminism gave women license to abuse men, and that's a
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: good thing. You're right, feminism did give women license to
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: abuse men. They probably women probably always did abuse men.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: What feminists do is they make it like they create
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: this legalist symmetry where men's abuse of women is not
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: regarded with the same severity as women's abuse of men.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: So in that sense, feminists do license women's abusive men.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: And they also have an entire academic literature which basically
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: amounts to what did you do to make her hit you?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: In order to justify women's abuse of men, which they
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: would never tolerate anyone saying what did you do to
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: make him hit you? And yet they have entire dissertations,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: like feminists have gotten tenure based on a literature that
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: amounts to what did you do to make her hit you?
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: Like they get paid to produce this stuff to produce
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: excuse making for female abusers, you know, just just just
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: cogitate on that, that astounding fact. But ultimately, what you're
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: doing is not a sales pit for whatever you're pushing,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: unless unless somebody can like watch this and you're like, yeah,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: I definitely want whatever that man got, like and I
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: And also his complete loss of self in this abusive
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: relationship sort of actually speaks to feminism being a death cult,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: because if the only way a man can be in
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: a relationship with a feminist is to be this dude
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: tolerating abuse, being broken, right, Yeah, doesn't that sort of
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: speak to feminism being a horrifying like a horrifying thing. Right?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Isn't he an object lesson in that?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah? He could be, but he doesn't see it that way. Yeah,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Of course he doesn't internalize the abuse.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah he has, right, Okay, Dunk the dunk Skunk gave
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: us twenty five thirty five czar and said, do you
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: need a license to abuse men? No, but it makes
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: it harder to actually punish women if you mess with them. Well,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: and in the UK and in America and basically all
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: over the West, you know, so all right, anyway, let's
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: let's keep going. Let's see how far we get in
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: the next half hour.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: How does this relate to abortion?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: That I haven't really forminated the thoughts for. Please bear
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: with me. I'm having issues with my leg so I'm
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: just trying to think as quick as I can.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: Did Can I try to steal man it for you?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Please bear with me?
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: All right? So, I think what you're trying to say
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: is that the women being able to choose in many
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: different capacities is important because they play a very integral
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: role and some sort of like a demoralization of women
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: if they weren't able to choose in terms of abortion,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: would lead to negative outcomes.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: I think the even arguing both sides for them.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Now, well, he's trying to, Yeah, help this guy get
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: his thoughts together, So I guess they don't really have anything.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: But like the thing is, if I I I feel
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: like I could even correct Jake on some things, even
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: if I'm generally on his side. But yeah, okay, let's
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: just let's just keep going.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: Women.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I want me to play a little
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: bit faster. Do you want me to speed up the playback?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: This is like so excruciating.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll do one point five.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: Don't realize that they're not. They don't have to just
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: be subservient. Has been fit women and giving them the
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: hawd to word this, giving them the the.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Ability to dominate you.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: It's given them the ability to I'm sorry, self actualize.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: So yeah, given the ability to, uh, you realize that
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: they are more than just yeah, but.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: There are not an example that. Okay, but you're not
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: an example of that. What you are an example of
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: is feminism giving women the ability to dominate an abuse man,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: you know, on the on the face. Like if if
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: feminists walked up to me, if the little clipboard and
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: be like, you can join feminism and gain the ability
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: to dominate and abuse your husband, I'd be like, actually, no,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: I don't want that, you know, I can do that
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: on my own, thank you. I don't need you. No,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. That's bullshit. Don't take that seriously. But like,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: why would any woman want that? And why would any
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: woman buy into what you're presenting feminism doing, Because that's
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: what I'm getting from him. It's like feminism freed women
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: to dominate and abuse men and be control freaks, right,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: And I mean if he was saying that, you know,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: my wife was free to to have a business which
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: would be false, or to you know, create a business
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: which contributed to the finances of of our home or
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: something like that. Or she was able to take a
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: mathematics degree which helped my eldest son get through you know,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: I don't advance calculus or something like that. Right, that
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: would be at least something like a sales pitch, even
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: though it's associating feminism with with with something it didn't do,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: which was giving women education. But what he's associated feminism
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: with is controlling abuse. Feminism freed women to engage in
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: controlling abuse of men. First of all, that I think
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: that's one thing that feminism is that it didn't actually do.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: I think women always engage in controlling abusive men. But
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: second of all, why do you think that's a sales
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: pitch for feminism? You get what I'm saying, Brian, Yeah.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, why was that a sales pitch? Good question?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: Should we going to reconsider it? Okay? All right?
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: I got a super child from Reverse trad on YouTube
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: for five And he says, just because it did come
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: up and you said you wanted a super chat gallup
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: and yougo. Data puts the number of men who want
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: a homemaker role at least thirty percent, and Warren Ferrell
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: has cited Pew research indicating forty nine percent of fathers
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: wish they were full time parents while crying discussing John
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Lennon's quotes on stay at home fatherhood. So the problem,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, is them making the stay
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: at home dad conversation about what women want.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, I I'm not against stay at home fathers, and
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: I honestly think that even if you are, but you
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: don't think it's a good idea. I think that we
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: should recognize that men were the ones who made the
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: original sacrifice when it came to industrialized work. They made
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: the sacrifice to go in the jobs that were horrific
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: and dangerous and long hours in order for in some
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: cases their wives to be able to stay at home.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: They made that sacrifice. Men want to be around their
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: children too, and they were allowed to during most of
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: the most human societies up to the Industrial Revolution. Like
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: men would have children, they would be teaching their daughters
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: and their sons their trade, right, or they'd be working
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: with them on the farm whatever. Okay, that was the first,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: like that that should be right, even if you like
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, I don't know about men staying at home.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: The fact that men sacrificed time with their children in
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: the Industrial Revolution be recognized as as a major sacrifice
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: that men made so that to preserve women's time with
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: their children, that was a major sacrifice. And I think
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: recognizing that men would rather stay at home is fine,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: So we recognize the sacrifice that they don't. Yeah, right,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: we understand that that is a sacrifice that men are making.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Men are sacrificing and go to work to provide for
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: their families. They're sacrificing time with their children, which is
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: something that naturally in our evolutionary history, men would have
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: had a lot of time, Like if I'm correct about
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: the anthropological record and male anatomy, right with that suspension pelvis,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: men would be in during our evolutionary history, there would
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: be a long stretch of time where men would be
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: in constant contact with their children. And men don't get
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: that anymore, Okay, women do, and women should be grateful,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: profoundly grateful. And you know, some conservative women still retain
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: that gratitude. They're losing it because they're still influenced by feminism,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: but liberal women have no gratitude. That's why they demand
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: so much more provision.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, let's keep going, all right.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: But it's also if they choose to be a housewife
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: and that's what they want to do, they can. But
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: because they've now realized that they're more than just this housewife,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: it's given them the forefront to push men forward some things.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna grant what you're saying here. I'm just gonna
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: grant for the sake of the argument that women feel
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: good about having the ability to choose right, that they
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: can choose whatever they're doing in life, and they can
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: choose to have an abortion if they want to. But
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: the logical conclusion of this is still that feminism eats
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: itself because they're not going to have children, and the
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: ideology will eventually die. So even if in the moment
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: it feels good for them, even if I just grant
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: that for you, in the long term, yeah, the ideology dies.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like the abortion issues is weak, Like that's
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: the week.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: Well, he didn't he didn't bring up Jake didn't bring
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: up the abortion thing. The other guys did.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: I think they all I mean it's it is a
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: it is a massive problem.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: But I guess it's it's like the first most obvious
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: effect of femin symptom, Like it's the Yeah, it's the
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: obvious symptom. Yeah, it's the most obvious one and the
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: one people talk.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: But it's also a symptom. It's also a symptom of
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: the fact these women aren't para bonding, they aren't in
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: a relationship. More importantly, so, yeah, so if they were
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: in a relationship, you'd probably see a massive reduction in
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: the abortion because they would be getting pregnant from men
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: who they recognize are dependable, and they wouldn't be in
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: that emotional snarl that feminists create by saying that depending
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: on a man makes you oppressed by him. Right, So
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: they would be in a relationship. They would be able
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: to understand what the man is doing for them, the
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: sacrifice he makes, and that is the grammar of recognizing
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: that he is dependable, and recognizing that he is dependable
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: without this other additional crap about him oppressing him or
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: because she depends on him is the precondition for being
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: okay with having children. That's it. So that would immediately
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: remove a lot of abortion as far as I'm concerned.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: So the real problem is not I mean, it is
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: a problem, but it's like a problem, a symptom of
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: the problem. It's also a problem. But the real problem
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: is that liberal women want men who earn two to
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: three times more than conservative women. And the ratchet means
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: that the liberal women today are just the conservative women
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: twenty years from now.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: So this constant, this constant, this belief system is working
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: on women's expectations, ratcheting them up generation after generation after
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: generation after generation. And if we don't address that, and
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: the liberal women are of course the leading edge of it,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: if we don't address that, it's all going to get worse.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: An abortion is just a symptom of that, because again,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: if these women were in relationships, they would be having
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: far fewer abortions, okay, because they they'd feel and the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: only way to get them into relationships at this point,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: unless you want to find two to three more earths, right,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: the only way to get these women into relationships is
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: to tell them or to somehow figure out how to
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: get them into that out of that negative mental loop.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: That a dependable man, which is what that is like,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: that's the floor of a relationship, right, a man who
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: commits to you like you can't be in a relationship
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: without that. That is the door. That is the gate.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: And if feminism has convinced you that walking through that
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: gate is slavery, you're gonna have a problem going through
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: that gate. And you are, of course gonna put a
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: whole bunch more conditions up for why you're not gonna
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: go through the gate. And that, of course is going
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: to translate into provision because that's the big expectation placed
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: on men, that's the thing that women want from men
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: in many cases. Right, So it's like you got to
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: challenge that belief, get women into relationships. That'll clear up
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: the birth rate and the abortion issue. But it all
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: starts there, It all starts with breaking that cycle of
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: a dependable man is actually oppressing you by making you
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: dependent on him. What do you do? What does a
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: woman do with that in her brain, consuming her mind,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: herly current intelligence.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's uh, okay, let's keep going.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, feminists don't want children, I understand. So I mean
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: feminism could still continue in some form, just maybe without
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: the ones that.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 6: If it can look if it continued all right, So
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: he's like, can it just can we have a little
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: bit of Can we have a little bit of feminism?
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see what j I don't I don't
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: like Jake's answer here either, but let's just yeah, go ahead.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: Can I just give them my answer? Then?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: All right? Well, if feminism continues, but it feminist women
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: don't have children. What you mean is it converts other
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: women to not having children, which is exactly what he's saying. Right,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: If feminism is allowed to continue, and it's it basically
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: has honestly that feminism is the ratchet that every generation
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: of women expects more provision for men. That's the ratchet,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: and the more women buy into it, the higher their
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: expectations grow, and the more because men can't can't live
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: up to that, because there is a sort of a
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: ceiling to what men can earn. And the other thing
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: is that this is proportionate. If you want a man
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: in the top quintile, right, the top quintile now might
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: be one hundred thousand, But if all men manage to
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: push up their average earnings, the top quintile is then
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand. And then if all men
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: manage to push up their earnings again, then the top
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: quintile is two hundred and fifty thousand. You see, it's
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: constantly moving upwards. And then the other additional problem is
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: is that it's contracting as well. The worse this ratchet gets,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: the smaller the target becomes. So it's something you got
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: to actually. So when women become feminists, they essentially sign
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: on to becoming childless, to not having a relationship, to
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: not So if you're saying, well, feminists reproduce themselves in
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: some other way, yeah, fine, they reproduce themselves by sterilizing
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: other women. That doesn't Actually that's not actually a counter
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: argument that feminism is sterilizing the species. It rather is
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: an argument that it is doing So okay, what does
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: what does Jake say?
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: All right, let's see in an underground, sequestered a way.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: That's not what private meetings way I would I wouldn't care.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: But the fertiliy rates are the fertility rates.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there is feminists that have large families and
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: they're still feminists. So let's say that the feminists that
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: don't want the babies are the ones that end up
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: going away. They're still going to be a version of feminism,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: but with just women also on tell lots of babies.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: Will you grant that it will shrinking size?
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: The feminism will shrinking size?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, and it will continue to shrinking size until it.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: In my hypeis of there being now sticking with the
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: prompt that feminism destroys itself.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: But it is true that there it is. It is true. No,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: I know, not before it does damage to everything. It
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: is true though, that there are definitely feminists that are
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: not living the thing that they're telling other women to live. Like,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: they're not practicing what they preach, and that should raise
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: alarm bells, but for some reason it doesn't. And again
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: it's another like tactic of sabotaging other women's lives to
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: prop up those women, so they use that to do that.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: But anyway, like Clementine Ford has kids and she's like
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: as radical as it comes. I mean, at least one
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: or two. I think she has sons, which is God,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: it's got to be a nightmare. But you know, go ahead, Alis,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: what were you gonna say about about that?
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: No? I know, you're right, Like there are some feminists
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: who don't practice what they preach, but overall, yeah, unless
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: you're a really conniving woman, you're probably going to end
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: up in the meat hook reality that feminism is going
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: to sterilize you. Yeah, right, Like you can be a
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: super conniving top feminist. He's like, you know what, I'm
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: just using this to make money off of idiots, off
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: of my female drone audience. But most women are not
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: going to be that way. Most women are just going
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: to ingest this toxic crap and it's going to sterilize them.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's gonna be a lot of like lower
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: class women too that are going to be effected without that.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well, actually sort of middle is really where
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: it hits home.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: Middle class.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so all of the jobs that are probably on
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: the chopping block in the next five years. But yeah,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: that that middle management of women who are just moving
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: symbols around, that's uh, that's probably where feminism takes its
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: biggest bite. Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: All right, and the feminism but ones that actually want
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: to have lots of babies. Yeah, it wouldn't at that point,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't shrink, and says it would get to a point
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: where it's shrunk, and it's now that bubble of people
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: that want the rights and equality that feminism has given them,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: but they also want to have lots of bebes.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: I think we can finish it off, and I'll grant
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: you some more ground, Craig, and finish off a little
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: bit of middle ground. I can understand the argument that feminism,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: you grant that it will shrink, right, and it could
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: shrink to a minuscule size, but there'll always be some
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: sort of like short haired, middle aged woman who tries
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: to yearn for the days of old. But in terms
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 5: of policy prescriptions and in terms of you know, massive
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: universe or female suffrage, those things will go away, and
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: those are sort of the outcomes of feminism, and those things,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: those things will die.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: I think the suffrage has got that's not you know,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: that's what brought feminist about. And nowadays feminism is just
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: a thing that exists. You know, people aren't really fighting
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: for it in the streets anymore. It's just you know,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: there is a movement of feminine.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, they are still like the cause is never ending,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: it just moves. They just move the gold posts. Yes,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: there are still women that think that they're on the
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: verge of or have already lost all of their rights
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: and they have to goround to the streets and protests,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: and if you ask them what they're protesting, they can't
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: really give you a solid answer. It's like vague stuff
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: like women's live and they don't really have because they
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: just that they just don't. They're just unsatisfied and they
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: can't look inside of themselves to find out why, so
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: they blame the external. But anyway, yes, so.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: I think feminism today is a very different thing to
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: what it was. You know, even thirty forty years ago.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: The movement has evolved, that the policies and the thoughts
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: around feminism has evolved.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 5: And considerably worse.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's a dreamism to everything in life. Right
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: there's Pokemon players that will go and fight kids to
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: get the best card. Does not mean the old pays
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: a badness least, But I.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Think allow me to make the Pokemon argument. Let's say
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: there were Pokemon cards. Sorry, no, no, we should let
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: let's hear his because this is a wacky are argument.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: I think that he's gonna make.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, extremism to everything in life. Right, there's Pokemon players
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: that will go and fight kids to get the best card.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Does that mean that Pokemon players are bad? And it's
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: just gonna lead to Vio.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: Them, I don't think that Pokemon will die, you know,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: I think I think that Pokemon will live on.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what if? What if, for instance, you know Pokemon
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: and there's always fights in the stores and the stores.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: I think Pokemon will live on.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, what what is he talking? I know
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: what he's trying to say, like that there are extremists
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: in any the entire extremism Pokemon is not. No one's
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: worried about what Pokemon is going to do to society
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: and birth rates downstream consequences of Pikachu and her ilk
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: are his. I don't know what.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, No, I gotta I gotta unwine the
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: confusion here, all right. So feminism was always extremism. Yes,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna go into the Red Stockings manifesto,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: but saying that, Okay, you're a woman and you feel resentment.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Therefore you're gonna go forward and find whatever justifies your resentment,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: and then ultimately you are gonna say that men can't
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: comment on it because they're emotionally inferior to you. That's
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: an extremist statement saying giving yourself your emotions the right
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: to dictate everybody's reality. That's the behavior of a frickin
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: marauder or a tyrant, all right, and that's what they
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: That was like the first foundational act of feminism. Our emotions, okay,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: are going to drive our theory, which what's which means
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: not real theory. Actually, it's just finding whatever supports your
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: resentments and then it will drive our actions, and your
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: actions will be stripping men of rights. Okay, right there,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: that is the hoof prints of extremism. And I don't
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: even have to get into what the Red Stockings manifesto
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: said about men, which is essentially that men, by protecting
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: and providing for women, oppress them, right, and they situate
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: the oppression, and that men gain manhood from doing this.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: So men's identities are contingent upon protecting and providing for women.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: So they don't actually protect and provide for women for women,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: they do it because they want to feel like men,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: which is absurd, right, it's absurd. That's utterly reversed. A
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: man is considered a man when he protects and provides
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: for women. He doesn't protect and provide for women to
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: be considered a man. It's like ridiculous us. But regardless,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: all of it is extremism and has nothing to do
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: with Pokemon.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: Let's keeping that's a shame, all right.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: Well, and then pokem will shrink and go wait because
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: we have less access to it.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: But I think that there will always be now I'm
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: making your argument for you. There'll always be someone with
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: a collector's item in their basement somewhere. But it's not
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: like mass adopted anymore. Anyways, the roles have really changed,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: hear Craig, So yeah, thank you, sir.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: My. Next, all right, I'm gonna you want to hear
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: his other prompt and we got like five minutes left.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: Is that feminism destroys society by short term time preference,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: meaning that feminism is all about my feelings, my rights,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: my autonomy, abortion, and all these sorts of things. And
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: eventually this kills society as we know it, or virtuous society,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: Christian society. How well, because feminists, they tend to think
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: in the short term. They're thinking about what I want
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: right now, I want abortion.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: Well, it's really kind of just women, because I don't
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: think women think about the long term often. Maybe that's
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: something they have to learn or betrayed to. I don't know.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's because of how comfortable everything is. Maybe that
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: in the ancient times women were not this way. This
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: is why I'm saying this, not to give women a
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: pass today, but to say, maybe it wasn't always this way,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: and there's something that we have done. I don't think what.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think that actually gives women a pass to
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: say that. No, they can they can't make the excuse
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: that they were always that way. Yeah, you have to.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: I think that there was a time. Yeah, I think
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: there was a time where they were they did have
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: to think about these things, and they don't now, and
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: so they don't because they don't have to. There's no
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: pressure to take in these things into consideration, so they
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: can just be like, I just want the stuff that
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: makes me feel good. I just want stuff, and they're
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: getting stuff. They're getting a lot of stuff, which is
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: why we need, you know, like three other earths to
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: give them the stuff they want, and we can't get
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: it to them, and no one's telling them they can't
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: have it because they all believe that they deserve it.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: So I want to be able to go and get educated,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: I want to have a bank account and all these
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 5: sorts of things, when really well, yeah, because this is
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: what I want right now, and it's not necessarily looking
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: at the long term implications.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: But isn't the reasons that they want those things. It's
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: that so that all females can have them in the future,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: which would by definition be long term. And they're not
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: doing it just because they know feminists doing it because
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: they know.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: That's his point. Right. If you don't give birth to
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: the next generation that's going to raise up with your values,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: then your values die out. It's as simple as that.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: And the fact that from feminist women make it so
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: that feminist men have to earn two to three times
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: more than conservative men means that keeping these values alive
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: is not an incentive for them, right.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what he's going to say that,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: but all right, I.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: Got a super chat from Dylan gives us two dollars
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: and says the married man hurt himself in its confusion.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, I think that's a Pokemon reference.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, things, so that would by definition not be short term,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: that not be long term.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: It would be on a masscale, and they can want
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 5: that if they want, Like I want my bloodline to
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 5: persist throughout thousands of years, and I want there to
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: be a statue of me in all of their front
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: yards just because I just But just because I want
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: that doesn't mean that it's going to be descriptively true.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: I have to put the put the measures in place
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: to actually have that implemented.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: So how does that back up your case?
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 5: So you're saying that women want to have.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: Banking What.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: Right, if you're a feminist and you want a future
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: society where feminism exists, you have to produce it by
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: having the children and raising them with those virtues that
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: you are so that it is so important to you.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: But that obviously isn't an incentive of because instead you
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: are creating a gigantic barrier to feminist men to reproducing. Right, Like,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: I'm baffled while he's not getting this, I guess it's
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: because it's something that women have to do, and the
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: idea that women actually have to do something is inconceivable. Yep,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: Like women have to Yeah, that there's a consequences to
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: women's actions is inconceivable to him that if you want
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: feminism to consent to persist into the next generation, you
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: actually have to have that generation. By definition, What if
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: there's no generation for feminism to persist into. Then feminism
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: does not persist, and just seeking after your own benefits
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: in the short term does not result in that next
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: generation being born for feminism to persist into. I think
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: this is what Jake is getting at, but I could
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: be wrong.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: No, that's good point. I don't know if that's what
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: he's getting at, but that is a good a good
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: thing to say. I would have said that if I could. Okay,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: Albatross gave us five dollars and said, it's like the
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: Titanic song near far wherever you are, Pokemon will go on, Oh, yes,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: that's exactly the lyrics, if I remember correctly. Zarax gives
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: us five dollars and says it wouldn't be enough even
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: with access to a multiverse of infinite earths. All right,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: let us continue, well.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: Because okay, but here's what happens, right, here's how the
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: ratchet works. All right, you guys, you're all like, okay,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: the liberal women are like, no, we need two point
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: two to three times more earths, right, and then men
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: make it so they get the infinity zones or something
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: they gain of magic.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: They they created a a collider around the sun.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: And sphere they do it starts trek all the time.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: Suddenly, men construct three more earths to satisfy the material
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: greed of women on the left and the ratchet because
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: it's going to eventually be the conservative women too, right,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: the material greed of leftist women. Okay. And then the
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: leftist women look at these two to three more earths, okay,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: and what do they say, Because we are dependent on
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: your ability to produce more earths, you're pressing us, which
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: means that you need to provide nine more earths. And
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: so men create like a triple quasillion atom smashers around
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: the sun, around the entire fucking galaxy, and produce nine
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: more earths. And then the liberal women are like, but
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: you have oppressed us by producing the nine earths, so
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: you must produce eighty one earths. And then you basically
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: harness the entire output of a galaxy, and you introduce
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: eighty one earths, all right, And the feminists say, but
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: by doing so, by serving our needs, you have made
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: us dependent upon you, which is a patriarchy, which is
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: perpetuating patriarchy. Therefore, you must provide us eighty one times
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: eighty one more earths and so it goes, and now
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: we understand where black holes come from.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Anthony Durrell gives us five dollars Australian
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: and says, hack guy looks like every crap British comedia
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: in the last twenty years, Like do you know the
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: guy from was it the Drew Carrey Show? He had
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: like a neighbor blonde guy classes he looks like that guy?
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: Anyway, they want every one in the future to have
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 5: bank accounts, which I'm not necessarily sure is even true.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: I don't even really think that they think that far ahead.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 5: But like, just because they want that doesn't mean that
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: that's actually going to happen. They put they have to
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 5: put the measures in place for it to happen over
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 5: the long term.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: But it has happened over a long term. Women can
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: now have bank.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: Because men like you got a little sliver of something
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: which is now no longer an offer.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: A little cookie, a little bit of the cookie, get
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: a little cookie, and you're like, I'll give you whatever
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: you want if I can have some cookie.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, you ad bands of women's rights. Women do have
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: bank accounts and mortgages and a lot of debt.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: They do right now.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so hasn't it become a long term thing? Grant
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: your premise that the feminist wanted it for them at
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: the time. Hasn't it now then become a long term
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: thing because any woman can go and get a credit card,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: a bank acount, and mortgage do what they want.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's long term. I think it's
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: been over the culse of like one hundred years, and
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 5: that's definitely not long term. Like when you're thinking about
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: long term, this is ridiculous.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, there hasn't been credit cards for like seventy years, right,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: There hasn't been bank accounts, Like what do people think, like, oh,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: we had bank accounts and you know put his you know,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: put all of his stones into bonds, Like what the fuck? No,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: there hasn't been bank accounts that have been widely used
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: for like maybe one hundred and fifty one hundred and
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: fifty years ago. It would just be rich people that
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: would have bank accounts or bold jewelers. Like this is ridiculous.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: Look up your his banking history and stop being absurd. Okay,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know who I'm yelling at, but okay, this
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: is a ridiculous this is a ridiculous actually wanted to
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: promligate their ideology, then they would need to go about
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: it in a different way.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: And I know it just comes back to this all
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 5: the time. It's like they're just not reproducing and they're
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 5: going to get replaced, and the ideology is not going
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 5: to be sticking around forever, at least not in a
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: prominent way. So all of these ideas, if you want
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: women to have bank accounts two hundred years from now,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 5: you have to make sure that you still have the
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 5: ability to be able to manipulate you still have problem.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: Is that Jake is constraining this. He's constraining it just
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: to feminists, and it's not constrained just to feminists. The
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: feminist ratchet works on both feminist, liberal and conservative women.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: They're all going the same direction because of this feminist ratchet.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: So there isn't a group of women that won't end
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: up because they believe in the feminist ratchet sterilizing themselves essentially. Right,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: So we're just going to grind down the amount of
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: women that actually get married further and further and further.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: I think the other mistake he's making is that he
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: thinks that it's only feminists who reproduce that will pass
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: feminism on to their children. But feminism, it doesn't reproduce
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: that way. It reproduces through education, through media, through political action,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: through activism. So you're gonna have to like undo all
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: of that because like they don't like it. They don't
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: have to have kids to make more feminists. They can
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: just they can just radicalize students. They can just radicalize
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: people in the you know, with their entertainment whatever, and
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: that is a lot more effective and you can get
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: more people with it. So again, I'm I know that
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: he doesn't think like I know that he probably knows that.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: But that's that's an obstacle, is what I'm saying. That's
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: gonna be a major obstacle. You'd have to basically, like
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: you know, go through with a crucible, with a with
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: a yeah, like with a crucible through all of the
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: institutions to root it all out. And that's just not
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. It's not like none of this woke shit's
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: going away. Like from any sort of down you know,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: passing of a law or piece of legislation or putting
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: somebody else in power, they just go into hiding and
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: they re emerge later. And this is a very old,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: old old idea and it's not going away. We'll always
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: have to live with it, I think. But anyway, go.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 5: Ahead, No, I'm good, Let's keep going, all right, And
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 5: if men actually flip the ship, then they say, actually,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 5: you know what, this isn't working for us, Like our
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 5: rivals are getting much stronger and our society is decaying.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 5: We need to sort of rein it in and rein
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 5: in suffrage in these things. Then over the long term,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 5: that actually won't happen. So you might get bank accounts now,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 5: and it might happen for a little while longer, but
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 5: unless you actually have a plan to promably get the
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 5: ideas of feminism, then over the long term it's just
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: it's going to wither away and.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: Die wellde for bank account spifically do you have to
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: do think about feminism? Can you just not make sure
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: that everyone can have a bank? Aren't you making the assumption.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: That, all right, what is this winding? Okay, feminism will
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: destroy the society that infests because it will sterilize the
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: women the end.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all that's really all you have to say. Yeah,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, he'll they'll argue, well, then what about the
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: kind of feminism that doesn't do that. That's when you
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: get into like the fart that you're sword fighting.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: Well, the kind of feminism that doesn't tell women that
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: being in a relationship with a man is the side
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: of their oppression. I hate to tell you, but that's
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: not feminism. Like I have looked through the foundational text,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: that's what it is.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: If you don't believe that heterosexuality is the site of
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: female oppression, that a man protecting and providing for a
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: woman is is actually him oppressing her, then you actually
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: do not agree with the foundational premise of feminism. Well,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: that's the premise. The foundational motive of feminism is feeling
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: resentment and then trying to locate a premise that justifies
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: the resentment. So if you don't agree that women's emotions
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: are evidence, okay, are evidence sufficient to convict men as
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: a group and society. If you don't believe that, you're like, oh,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: I know, I think I I think we should, uh,
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: we should have more evidence than just women's feelings about things, right,
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: then you are not a feminist. Okay, you may think like, uh,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: some weird thing like you may have bought into the
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: sales pitch of feminism. But you're not a feminist. Okay,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: you just bought into the sales pitch, and the sales
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: pitch is sort of like the lip of the slippery slope. Oh,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: we just believe in equality. But the meat hook in
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: that statement is, of course equality is always something that
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: men have and women don't. And because women feel like
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: that's the case, you can't argue with it without being
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: a misogynist. So they get you with the oh, we
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: just want an equality, but actually they the underlying hidden
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: reality of that is their version of equality is proprietary
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: and then you have to sign a non disclosure agreement
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if anybody's going to get that.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: So why don't we finish this off?
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it and allow women to have bank
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: accounts anymore. Yeah, do you want to think that's the case,
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 3: that that's that men will be like, Nope, that's it.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: No women, you know, not a bankoun anymore. Do you
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 3: think that's going to happen?
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 5: I mean I think that if consumer yet gets to
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 5: a certain level and they're looking at sociable trends, and
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 5: they're looking at and they're looking at it and they're saying, well,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 5: you know, women, when they have no they won't tend
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 5: to be extremely irresponsible. And actually, all of these financial
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 5: disputes they're breaking up families. And if we want to
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 5: really prioritize the family, we've got to actually centralize this,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 5: and we've got to give the husband the autonomy over
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 5: the families and finances. So if when you're looking at
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 5: it like that, I think that there's every chance that
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 5: over the long term that women's rights to voting, bank accounts,
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 5: all these sorts of things away. Again, like, just because
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 5: we're currently living in this secular society, I don't think
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 5: that that's necessarily the way that it has to go
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 5: for all of eternity. I mean, I think I would
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 5: like that, but I don't think that they're putting in
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 5: in place that means to do it.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: So almost done here, let me just I got a
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: couple more super child. I got a super chow from
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: official verse trad for five. He says, women said hello
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: and engage in political lesbianism and accidentally cause their own
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: female loneliness epidemic. Don't know why, but MiG Tow's X
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: went up. You win and then Anthony.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: What like might be like stock stock price?
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe MiG tows X and it's all caps, so e X.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe Anthony Durrell gives us full five dollars Australian and says,
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: but what about the communism that loves private property and freedom? Yeah? Right,
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: and the market? Yeah? What about that?
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 7: What about that?
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: Com Have you tried the communists? That's the opposite of
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: communism in every way?
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like have you tried the Marxism
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: that actually appreciates the capitalist increasing the goods and services
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: available to the economy. Have you tried that form of Marxism?
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think this is basically over, But I'll just play.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: Let's say men decide to take away women bank account.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: How do you think that would work?
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 5: No, it's best times it work lost on. It would
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 5: just mean that women were more incentivizing.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: There was no last time. There wasn't a freaking last time, right,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: It's okay. Bank accounts haven't really been a thing for
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: more than one hundred and fifty years, right, And even
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: when they first started, it was mostly just rich people.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: People didn't have bank accounts. It took time for the
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: whole concept to evolve all right. I won't get into that,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: but you know it sort of started a little with
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: the templars and monastic hm wealth in anyway, but this
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: is not sensible, Like this is just watching two people
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: argue over something they read on a cereal box. Okay, Like,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: can can we get back into the realm of historical
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: facts please? All right? How much more is there.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: Here that this is basically the end? I mean I
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: just play the rest of.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 5: It and have a husband who they could appeal to physically.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: How are we going to be like, no, you can't
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 3: have banknots anymore.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 5: It's digital just boom take away like done.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: You women are in charge a lot now.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but like, but that's that's the idea. Though, Is
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 5: that like patriarchal structures like they're trying to work is
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 5: the way it usually works.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: Okay? What will happen is the entire system will collapse
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: and for a while we're probably going to be working
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: off of local economies that don't deal with like this
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: kind of widespread bank and we have to go back
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: to people bartering, people developing local currencies based on products
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: and services the need to exchange them, and in more
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: local areas and women won't be having bank accounts because
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: basically no one will be. And then maybe when we're
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: able to do that again, people will be like, perhaps
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: perhaps we should reconsider the idea of women having these
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: kinds of powers. I don't know. I think that that's
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: much more likely. The way that it's going to go
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: is that it's going to be repealed from everyone, and
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: then maybe people will make some take some lessons from
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: what happened, and if they're depending on what lessons that
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: we take, which is sort of where I'm coming in,
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to figure out what's the lesson here,
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: then the society that's built off of those lessons may
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: or may not give women bank accounts, or may or
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: may not teach women the kind of bullshit that led
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: this whole system imploding in the first place, which I
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: think is really the issue. It's not the bank accounts,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: it is the ratchet. Yeah, because again, if women have
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: bank accounts, and this does to say exactly what he's saying, right, Okay,
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: if women have bank accounts, they have consumer credit, they
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: have jobs, they have are able to have businesses, they
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: have education, and they still have two to three children
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: each that's a society that's going to perpetuate all of that. Right,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: it's just it's over. It's it right that you're done.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: It's good. That is a successful society. Okay, but that's
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: not what's happening. What's happening is feminism gets in the
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: brain and then women want men who earn much more
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: than they possibly can, and it's a constantly moving target
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: which destroys the birthrate because it destroys the process of
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: forming relationships. That's what's actually happening.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: The all of this other stuff is irrelevant, but unfortunately
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: it seems to be contributing. Like it should be irrelevant,
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: but it does seem to contribute. That makes sense, right,
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: mm hmm. But if women had all of those things
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: and still we're getting in relationships with men and having
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: two to three children, Yeah, nothing's wrong like this. It
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: becomes a non issue. Like think about that, and I
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: don't think men would be complaining, right, Like, yeah, would
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: men be complaining in that society? You're all married, you
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: all have two to three children, you got other things
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: to do, then complain? Would men have a problem with that? Right?
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: I Mean, I think if I were a man, I'd
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: have a really big problem with the fact that if
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: I am a liberal, I have to earn two to
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: three times more to get married, right, And I would
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: also have a big problem with looking at the progression
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: of how this is going and how it keeps going
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: up and up and up and up, and conservatives are
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: just female liberals. Female conservatives are just female liberals from
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: twenty years ago. Like that would be like, what am
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: I buying into the earth? I'm buying into a constantly
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: devaluing of my person. You know, I'm a woman, so
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: these things come naturally to me, irritation, resentment, jealousy, etc.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: But that would really piss me off. This constant inflation
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: of expectations, this never ending, constant drumbeat of inflating expectations
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: that shows no sign of leveling off. So you know
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: that this is just marching society off a cliff. Right.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: If women continue to ratchet up their expectations, nobody's gonna
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: get married in fifty years, there will be no children.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: And then you have these guys who are like, oh, well,
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: we have men considered stepping up to women's expectations. Yes, yes,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: that's why they aren't stopping. Because up to this point,
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: men have. Women have increased their expectations and men have
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: stepped up to it, and then they've increased it more
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: and more and more men get disenfranchised, don't have any
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: chance in a relationship, and then the men who step up,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: you know, they step up, and then more and more
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: and more. Like the fact that men are stepping up
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: to women's expectations instead of saying on mass, this is insanity,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: is why it continues. Mhm, Okay, that's what I'm getting at.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: Done, all right.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, we could reinstated, and they were like, we
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 5: need to do everything we possibly can to reinstill family values.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 5: One of the first things that they would look at
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 5: would be, Okay, the husband obviously needs to have autonomy.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 5: There needs to be one vote per household, the husband
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 5: casts the vote. And also in terms of of the finances,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 5: the husband is the leader of the family, so that
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 5: these financial disputes aren't always breaking families apart.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: Like this, just one more questions.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think this is I don't think Jake has
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: the answer here, right, no, because I think he's getting
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: off into the weeds and he's he's got a concept
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: of history that I don't think is accurate. But also like,
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: if he's gonna say, well, if feminism was, you know
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: that the point is that feminism isn't reproducing. It's exactly
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I think we're done, Brian. I don't
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: see it coming out of it.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: We can wrap it up.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, what I can say is that, you know,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: you can talk about going back to patriarchy, et cetera.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that's the problem. I think the
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: problem is the ratchet m and part of that is
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: maybe not political authority, but just the simple ingratitude that's
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: being taught, like and this belief that somehow if men
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: protect and provide for women, if they become dependable, that
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: means they're oppressing women. Like, let's let's just change that
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: and see or or alternatively, when it all implodes, let's
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: just not do that again. See if things improve, right,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: and all this other stuff just seems I'm not really
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: following it completely, So it might just be a limitation
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: and what I'm understanding from what he saying, but I
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: feel like that's not really what needs to happen.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: That's fair. I just thought it was an interesting debate
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: that we could, like react to, Yeah it is, And yeah,
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm with you on it. I mean, I guess,
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: you know, if the goal is simply to try to
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: refute the prompt which was at the beginning of the debate,
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: that's one thing. But but then if that's the only
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: focus you have, then you might you may not be
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: talking about like all of the additional factors. But I
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: certainly don't think the people who were arguing against him
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: were ready for that conversation anyways.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: So no, yeah, and that's the problem. It's like we're
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: just constantly having these these debates, right, I mean, it's
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: good that the conversation is evolving, but yeah, we need
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: to be past this now. We need to start getting
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: into all right, let's how do we fix this? What
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: lesson do we take from this?
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like we're just still stalled on. Oh
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: does this exist? It sort of? Does you know? It's
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: incontrovertible at this point? All right, we're twenty two past.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go, let's wrap it up.
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