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Women, Power & The Shift No One Wants to Admit | Two Personal · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: If you are claiming to worship Jesus, I need you,
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  Speaker 1: guys to unite. Just because you're a feminist and you
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  Speaker 1: think that you should have the right to vote does
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  Speaker 1: not mean that you hate men.
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  Speaker 2: Do what you need to do, bitch.
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  Speaker 1: I could not be more opposite of that, obviously, anyone
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  Speaker 1: who's ever followed me, if you don't have to look
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  Speaker 1: very far to see that that has not been my
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  Speaker 1: life path. There is no denying that there is an
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  Speaker 1: attack on women's rights right now. Men are inherently better
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  Speaker 1: and deserve more than women do. I want to be
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  Speaker 1: a wife. I don't aspire to be a wife, but
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  Speaker 1: I would be a wife. Hey guys, it's Joy Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Too Personal. Thanks so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: We had a great week. I hope you had an
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  Speaker 1: amazing Easter weekend. We've got an exciting show coming up
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  Speaker 1: for you today. Later on in the week we will
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  Speaker 1: tell to less Alfred of this. She's so lucky podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: I've been wanting to talk to Leus forever, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: really excited to get to catch up with her. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to another Too Personal this week, as we
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  Speaker 1: always do.
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to one of your questions, which is a
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  Speaker 1: very interesting one.
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  Speaker 2: For this week.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to get started today talking about something that
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  Speaker 1: if you follow me on social, you know I talk
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  Speaker 1: a lot about these two particular topics and we've touched
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  Speaker 1: on this actually in the past on the podcast, but
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  Speaker 1: it's just the overall attack on feminism and to really
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  Speaker 1: hone in on a story this week that was in
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  Speaker 1: the New York Times, it's a conversation that some of
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  Speaker 1: the current politicians have sort of tossed some support out
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  Speaker 1: there for but obviously not gone full steam ahead after
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  Speaker 1: and that is women's vale voting. The Save Act is
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  Speaker 1: something that is a very controversial situation going on in
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  Speaker 1: politics right now because a lot of married women would
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  Speaker 1: be directly affected by the Save Act and would essentially
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  Speaker 1: be ineligible to vote. And it's a story in the
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  Speaker 1: New York Times this week regarding trad wife influencers who
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  Speaker 1: are advocating for household voting or head of household suffrage.
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  Speaker 1: So the core argument is that a family should function
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  Speaker 1: as a single unit with one collective political voice, of course,
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  Speaker 1: typically exercised by the husband. It obviously has been gaining
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  Speaker 1: some traction over the past couple of years. It's a
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  Speaker 1: small subsect of people, but as all these things do,
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  Speaker 1: they start small and grow into big movements. It's the
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  Speaker 1: biblical patriarchy arguments, based obviously on the religion interpretations of
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  Speaker 1: headship a godly household, the husband is the spiritual and
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  Speaker 1: legal head. Therefore the wife should defer the judgment in
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  Speaker 1: the votevoting booth to ensure that.
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  Speaker 2: The family remains unified.
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  Speaker 1: Now, of course, the main critique of this is what
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  Speaker 1: the fuck do women who aren't married do? And it
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  Speaker 1: is a criticism of feminism because it promotes the family
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  Speaker 1: unit over what is considered radical individualism. Now, listen, I
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  Speaker 1: know there are plenty of people, mostly the majority, who
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  Speaker 1: do not agree that the household should have one vote.
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  Speaker 1: But I am finding this constant drum beat of tradwife
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  Speaker 1: propaganda and this output of topics surrounding women. Going back
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  Speaker 1: in the kitchen and women having too many rights and
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  Speaker 1: women having too much to say, and women having independence
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  Speaker 1: has led to the deterioration of the family units and
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  Speaker 1: the you know, birth rates dropping, which we talked about
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  Speaker 1: last week, And it's always about how women having more
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  Speaker 1: autonomy has deteriorated the family, and not any conversation about
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  Speaker 1: the responsibility that men have in this situation, with the
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  Speaker 1: birth rate dropping, with politics getting to the space that
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  Speaker 1: they are, with the family unit not being as important,
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  Speaker 1: it's all on women and chadwifes to me, and the
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  Speaker 1: push of it and the movement of it has been
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  Speaker 1: a slow trickle of propaganda over the past couple of
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  Speaker 1: years which I have watched.
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  Speaker 2: We had a conversation about this on the podcast a.
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  Speaker 1: While ago about the idea of being a traditional woman
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  Speaker 1: and that flying in the face of feminism and just
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  Speaker 1: the constant back and forth about.
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  Speaker 2: What women's roles are.
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  Speaker 1: And I told a story and I'll tell it again
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  Speaker 1: if you hadn't listened to it. But I have a
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  Speaker 1: deep admiration for women who have a specific goal in
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  Speaker 1: their life and they achie. For example, to me, one
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  Speaker 1: of the most successful people that I know personally is
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  Speaker 1: my older sister She got married very young to the
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  Speaker 1: first man that she ever dated.
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  Speaker 2: She had her first kiss on the altar.
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  Speaker 1: They have been together for I don't want to short them,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say thirty six years.
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  Speaker 2: I think somewhere around there. Over thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: They have five children together, two grandchildren. All of their
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  Speaker 1: children have graduated college.
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  Speaker 2: They've done it like.
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  Speaker 1: She was a wife, a mother, and she raised her
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  Speaker 1: children and has had a wildly successful life based on
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  Speaker 1: the goals that she had for herself.
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  Speaker 2: And I deeply admire that.
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  Speaker 1: And it took great dedication and great sacrifice, and of
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  Speaker 1: course a little luck along the way health and other things.
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  Speaker 1: But they are an incredible example of family and an
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  Speaker 1: incredible success story, and I think the world of it.
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  Speaker 1: And I love that she was able to choose that
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  Speaker 1: life and able to execute it simultaneously.
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  Speaker 2: I could not be more opposite of that.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, anyone who's ever followed me, if you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to look very far to see that that has not
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  Speaker 1: been my life path.
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  Speaker 2: But my sister is proud of me. She supports me.
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  Speaker 1: She is a good, actual, good Christian woman, which we'll
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  Speaker 1: get to in a second. And she she lives her
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  Speaker 1: life that way and use me as a success in
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  Speaker 1: that I did what I wanted to do. And the
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  Speaker 1: entire idea of feminism and the entire idea that the
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  Speaker 1: trad wife is the better option or the real option
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  Speaker 1: for women is incredibly frustrating to me. And the word
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  Speaker 1: feminism is constantly co opted and morphed into this anti men,
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  Speaker 1: men hating movement, and it's like, just because you're a
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  Speaker 1: feminist and you think that you should have the right
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  Speaker 1: to vote, does not mean that you hate men.
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  Speaker 2: The two are not simultaneous.
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  Speaker 1: You can exist as a person as a woman and
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  Speaker 1: live your life and want rights for yourself without hating men.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an attack on men. It's not an attack
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  Speaker 1: on the family. Everyone doesn't want the same thing. And
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to men, they're afforded that right, they're
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  Speaker 1: afforded that freedom, and it is not a default that
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  Speaker 1: they're somehow disregarding their life's purpose if they don't become
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  Speaker 1: a husband, if they don't become a father. Now maybe
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  Speaker 1: their family or their mother might be disappointed because they
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  Speaker 1: don't have grandkids, but there are no way view the
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  Speaker 1: same way, and they're certainly not held to a standard
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  Speaker 1: of deteriorating society for not wanting it. And so this
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  Speaker 1: tradwife thing is just exhausting because every time you're critical
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  Speaker 1: of this type of extremism where you wouldn't have a
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  Speaker 1: right as a citizen to vote because you are a
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  Speaker 1: household vote. While I understand is extremism, these are the
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  Speaker 1: seeds that build towards the bigger movements. There is no
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  Speaker 1: denying it. There is an attack on women's rights right now.
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  Speaker 1: Everything that all of our leaders are talking about is
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  Speaker 1: about rolling back the progress.
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  Speaker 2: That we've made.
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  Speaker 1: And when it comes to voting, which is a whole
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  Speaker 1: larger conversation, I find it incredibly frustrating that women have
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  Speaker 1: only had the.
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  Speaker 2: Right to vote since nineteen sixty five.
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  Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, before you fact checkers start running
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  Speaker 1: off to Google, I'm aware that the nineteenth Amendment happens
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty.
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  Speaker 2: That is women's right to vote.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't consider anything a right until everyone could vote,
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  Speaker 1: and black women couldn't vote until nineteen sixty five, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm unconcerned about that change. It happened in nineteen sixty five.
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  Speaker 1: That was sixty one years ago. Okay, that was not
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  Speaker 1: that long ago, and we are already having people who
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  Speaker 1: are putting together movements and are advocating for women not
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  Speaker 1: being able to vote. So when people accuse me of
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  Speaker 1: being radical or people are exhausted about feminists talking about
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  Speaker 1: oppression and suffrage and rights and saying that women are
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  Speaker 1: not equal and that women haven't gained complete autonomy, it's
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  Speaker 1: because we're still having conversations about this. Even though it
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  Speaker 1: is a constitutional right for women to vote, there are
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  Speaker 1: permeating ideas from the church, from certain political organizations, from
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  Speaker 1: aspiring politicians, from pundits, that women should not have a
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  Speaker 1: right that they've only had for sixty one years. And
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  Speaker 1: it is so frustrating to me. And I know, like
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  Speaker 1: people always joke about, oh, I should have been I
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  Speaker 1: should have been born in this era. Nope, I was
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  Speaker 1: born the exact year to date that I was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be born in. If I wasn't any other time,
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  Speaker 1: they'd have been sending me back. Okay, I'd been in
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  Speaker 1: a facility or burned at the stake. I was born
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  Speaker 1: at the exact time I was supposed to be born
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  Speaker 1: at because I was born in the only time in
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  Speaker 1: history in this country where women have any level of
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  Speaker 1: autonomy over their body, over their ability to start a business,
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  Speaker 1: over their ability to leave unhealthy relationships, for their ability
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  Speaker 1: to speak on their own, to aspire to corporate positions
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  Speaker 1: or positions of power. All of those things have existed
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  Speaker 1: only in my lifetime. My mother wasn't afforded those things.
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  Speaker 1: My grandmother wasn't afforded those things, my great grandmother, my aunties.
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  Speaker 1: I am living not even the wildest dreams of women
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  Speaker 1: that came before me, because they couldn't even imagine that
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  Speaker 1: this was possible. And I'm only thirty nine years old,
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  Speaker 1: and they're already trippin'. And again, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: make too big of a deal about some pilgrims in
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  Speaker 1: some bonnets, about how they're okay with their husbands being
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  Speaker 1: the ones to vote for them. Do what you need
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  Speaker 1: to do, bitch. Okay, if you want your husband to
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  Speaker 1: run your vote up for you, you do that. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: that's voter fraud. So just don't vote and your husband's
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  Speaker 1: vote will count. But the idea that this is the
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  Speaker 1: traditional way of doing things, that this is how society functions,
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  Speaker 1: as if men aren't still in control and making the
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  Speaker 1: decisions that are deteriorating society is crazy to me. I
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  Speaker 1: I'm just tired of it. And again, there's no new feminism.
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  Speaker 1: There is no modern feminism where men are the enemy.
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  Speaker 1: If we're still having conversations about women having autonomy over
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  Speaker 1: their bodies, women having to get on zoom calls while
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  Speaker 1: they're in labor about whether or not they have a
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  Speaker 1: right to a see section or natural birth, when we
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  Speaker 1: have people advocated for household votes, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hear about how the feminist movement has changed. It's still
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  Speaker 1: still just fighting for the core principal values of equality
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  Speaker 1: of political, social economic rights that are barely existing now,
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  Speaker 1: have barely existed at all, and are already they're already.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to roll back.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't care if you want to be a
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  Speaker 1: traditional woman.
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  Speaker 2: I encourage it.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, if that is the life that you want
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  Speaker 1: to live, you have the choice to live that You're
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  Speaker 1: welcome on behalf of the giants whose shoulders we stand on,
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  Speaker 1: who fought for you to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: And if you want to leave that man after he
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  Speaker 1: has abused you, guess what you have a right to
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  Speaker 1: do because of those women, Leave and take your children
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  Speaker 1: and go to a safe space. You have every right
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  Speaker 1: to be a traditional woman and give up every part
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  Speaker 1: of your existence if that's what you want to do.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, you don't have to do that.
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  Speaker 1: You can be a traditional woman and still have your autonomy.
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  Speaker 1: You can still be a wife and mother and still
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  Speaker 1: have your autonomy. And everyone else has the right to
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  Speaker 1: make their choices too. And voting is something that we
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  Speaker 1: will talk about a lot this year. It's something I'm very,
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  Speaker 1: very passionate about.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing will put me in a bad mood more than
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  Speaker 1: having a conversation with somebody who doesn't vote. And when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to women, these women suffered, They were abused,
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  Speaker 1: they were jailed, they were tortured here here in this country,
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  Speaker 1: fighting for the right for women to be considered citizens
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  Speaker 1: in the United States of America. And it only happened
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty five. It is twenty twenty six. Get
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  Speaker 1: a fucking grip when we talk about, Oh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: your ancestors fought for this, Doug.
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  Speaker 2: It was like your aunt, it was. It was not
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  Speaker 2: It was not fucking five hundred years ago that this happened.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago. My mother was born before
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  Speaker 2: this happened.
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  Speaker 1: And she's she's kicking it all right, We're going to
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  Speaker 1: Dublin for first a Patrick's Day, and shit, get a grip.
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  Speaker 1: They put tubes down women's throats in prison, force feeding
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  Speaker 1: when they were when they were protesting, so that you
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  Speaker 1: could get you could walk your ass into a voting
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  Speaker 1: booth and say what you want for your future and
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  Speaker 1: for your children's future, and for your parents' life, like
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  Speaker 1: all of the rights that you vote for, for the
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  Speaker 1: fucking infrastructure and whatever it is that's on the ballot.
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  Speaker 2: They did that for you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear no shit about a family vote.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really tired of it. I'm tired of women holding
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  Speaker 1: up the patriarchy with their bony backs. Let it go, sis,
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  Speaker 1: mind your fucking business. If you want to do do that,
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  Speaker 1: do that. There is no holiness, There is no glory
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  Speaker 1: in oppressing other people. People fought and died for these rights.
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  Speaker 1: They were abused and jailed and beaten and ridiculed and
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  Speaker 1: thrown out into the street and excommunicated by their families.
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  Speaker 1: Do what you want to do. But to sit there
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  Speaker 1: and talk about these type of movements as if there're
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  Speaker 1: anything other than a religious psychosis, which is the principle
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  Speaker 1: of what our country is built on, separation of church
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  Speaker 1: and state. It's not a moral thing you're fighting for.
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  Speaker 1: It's a religious idea that men are inherently better and
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  Speaker 1: deserve more than women. And I am exhausted with having
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  Speaker 1: to constantly talk about this because I do sound obnoxious,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't care. I do not care. We are
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  Speaker 1: the first generation of women who can exist without legally
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  Speaker 1: needing men to survive. It's been like three years and
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  Speaker 1: you bitches are already trying to run it back. And
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  Speaker 1: I speak to the women particularly because in order for
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  Speaker 1: oppression to exist, you have to have some cooperation from
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  Speaker 1: the oppressed, and these women position themselves as if they're
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  Speaker 1: doing some great sort of duty, and the reality is you're.
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  Speaker 2: Suffering as well.
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  Speaker 1: You're just not suffering as much as everyone else that
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  Speaker 1: you're forcing into your lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: There is no scientific basis for this.
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  Speaker 1: There is no base of reality where women are less
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  Speaker 1: than men, incapable of making better decisions than men, more
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  Speaker 1: emotional than men. So let's just get a fucking grip.
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  Speaker 1: Can we have five more men's with our rights before
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  Speaker 1: we start talking about family votes? Speaking of, let's get
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  Speaker 1: into the head of the regime, Donald Trump. So for
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  Speaker 1: those who practice, it was Easter this weekend and he
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  Speaker 1: decided to drop just just a colossal as well. It's
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  Speaker 1: not sweet. What is that bullshit? He runs Truth Social,
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  Speaker 1: Truth Social, What a name.
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  Speaker 2: You want to know? I nobody can figure shit out.
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  Speaker 1: Because a platform where Donald Trump tweets from the from
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  Speaker 1: his fucking golden.
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  Speaker 2: Toilet is called truth Social.
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday will be power plant Day and Bridge Day all
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  Speaker 1: wrapped up in one. In Iran. There will be nothing
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  Speaker 1: like it. Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards, or
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  Speaker 1: you'll be living in hell. Just watch Praise be to Allah,
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  Speaker 1: President Donald J.
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  Speaker 2: Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Now, in any other timeline, the President of the United
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  Speaker 1: States tweeting bray visa Allah would set off a national emergency.
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  Speaker 2: But because we're so used to this.
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  Speaker 1: Person being completely unhinged at all times of the day,
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  Speaker 1: including Easter Sunday, this did nothing but make some rumbles
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  Speaker 1: on social media. Nobody's in the streets, nobody's upset in
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  Speaker 1: a way that is that they're activating, of course, or
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  Speaker 1: people who are upset.
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  Speaker 2: I'm upset, but nobody's doing anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: And this has just been an interesting week for me personally,
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  Speaker 1: reflecting on one of the bigger conflicts that I have
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  Speaker 1: been experiencing over the past couple of years. And you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: shows called too personal, so we like to get into it,
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  Speaker 1: and I am.
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  Speaker 2: I am absolutely having a.
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  Speaker 1: I guess what what some people call a crisis of faith,
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  Speaker 1: I'm having more of an epiphany. I've talked about it
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  Speaker 1: many times publicly, but I was born and raised in
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  Speaker 1: a Baptist church, and I spent sixteen years going to
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  Speaker 1: church anywhere from three to seven days a week. I've
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  Speaker 1: read the Bible cover to cover many times. I've traveled
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  Speaker 1: and gone to churches. I've been a part of youth
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  Speaker 1: groups and youth camps and youth outreach and children's hospitals
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  Speaker 1: and old people's homes and ministering at juvenile detention centers
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  Speaker 1: and the whole gamut and everything it has to do
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  Speaker 1: with church, vacation, Bible school, all of the things.
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  Speaker 2: I've done it, I've lived it, I've done it, and.
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  Speaker 1: I feel very strongly about church people. I feel very
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  Speaker 1: strongly about these institutions, and I feel very strongly about
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  Speaker 1: the brands of Christianity, particularly Protestant, because obviously they don't
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  Speaker 1: consider Catholics to be Christians anymore, which is crazy enough
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  Speaker 1: in itself.
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  Speaker 2: But I mentioned that.
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  Speaker 1: Trump's sweet and his total just I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: how to what's the word I want to use for it.
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  Speaker 1: His entire brands, I guess, let's say. And the idea
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  Speaker 1: that Christians all white Christians, black Christians, good Christians, bad Christians,
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  Speaker 1: I hate, gay Christians, liberal Christians. The whole set in
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  Speaker 1: the entire brand is so utterly confusing to me, as
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  Speaker 1: somebody who understands it inside and out has heard every
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  Speaker 1: every single version of the Old Testament of the New
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  Speaker 1: Testament of this is wrong and that is wrong, and
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  Speaker 1: this is You're going to hell for this, and you're
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  Speaker 1: going to hell for that, or God loves everyone, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, do ONTs others?
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  Speaker 2: I've heard. I've heard it all.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard it all, the overlying, over encompassing principle and
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  Speaker 1: idea of Christianity, and the fact that our presidents and
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  Speaker 1: his ragtag crew are pushing this idea that they are
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  Speaker 1: Christians and that we are a Christian country, and that
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  Speaker 1: the principles in which they operate and the language in
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  Speaker 1: which they use, and the laws in which they're passing,
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  Speaker 1: and the activities in which they're participating in are that
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  Speaker 1: of somebody who is Christian. If I was representing that
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  Speaker 1: set would be maddened. And in the same way that
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  Speaker 1: I feel like men are not mad enough about the
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  Speaker 1: violence against women, about the attitudes towards women, about the
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  Speaker 1: push for women to have less, I feel like Christians
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  Speaker 1: aren't mad enough that this is the kind of representation
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  Speaker 1: that you guys are getting.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't separate white.
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  Speaker 1: Christians from Black Christians, from Asian Christians, from the people
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  Speaker 1: that I was just talking about with the household vote,
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  Speaker 1: all of it.
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  Speaker 2: If you are claiming to worship.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus, I need you guys to unite, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: have a forum and figure out why this is the
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  Speaker 1: permeating situation. Love, peace, kindness, generosity, forgiveness, all of those
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  Speaker 1: things that Jesus was supposed to be about. That they
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  Speaker 1: that that's what the book says Jesus was about. That's
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  Speaker 1: not being represented. And I am not saying that anything
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  Speaker 1: is everything at all. I know incredible Christian people who
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  Speaker 1: are who represent those qualities to the highest level. They're
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  Speaker 1: not judgmental, they would give everything they have to help
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  Speaker 1: another person.
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  Speaker 2: But I know so few of.
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  Speaker 1: Those people and so many more of what I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about that I'm just genuinely confused as to what is
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  Speaker 1: the brand because right now it looks like like there
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  Speaker 1: is no message whatsoever. Like I can't have a conversation
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  Speaker 1: with someone who is gonna sit there and tell me
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump rus represents Christianity. Why would I want
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of that? Like what is the
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  Speaker 1: pitch here? The whole thing is forceful? And I had
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  Speaker 1: a conversation about Jade and Ivy earlier in the week,
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  Speaker 1: who is clearly having a mental breakdown and suffering from
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  Speaker 1: religious psychosis. And everyone's mad at me because I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: this is this is ya king? Like you want to
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  Speaker 1: attach to someone who is not even saying rational things
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  Speaker 1: because he said one hateful thing that you agree with?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And again, why is the hateful thing the thing that
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  Speaker 1: you're attaching to. I know that I'm saying a lot
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  Speaker 1: and it's probably a bit all over the place because
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  Speaker 1: I'm just very passionate about it.
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  Speaker 2: But we just have Christian nationalism.
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  Speaker 1: Sprinkled over these these these little streams of things that
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  Speaker 1: pour down into these other spaces. I'm sure there's gonna
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  Speaker 1: people who are say, well, I don't agree with Christian nationalism.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not, but you do think that gay people are
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  Speaker 1: going to hell, so you're okay with that part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You do think that abortion is murder, so you do
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  Speaker 1: agree with that part of it. You do think that
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  Speaker 1: a woman's place is in the home, so you do
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  Speaker 1: agree with that part of it. You do agree with
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: purity culture, right, that, like being a virsion is something
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  Speaker 1: to aspire to, so you.
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  Speaker 2: Do agree with that part of it. So one are the.
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  Speaker 1: Parts that separate you as a Christian. I really am
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  Speaker 1: really really struggling with it. We've got guys like Doug
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  Speaker 1: Wilson in the White House giving prayers, somebody who has
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  Speaker 1: talked about slavery, someone who's talked about women's suffrage and
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  Speaker 1: ending the Nineteenth Amendments, advocates for Christian reconstructionism.
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  Speaker 2: So that like Biblical law is.
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  Speaker 1: A part of our our governments, you're willing to sacrifice
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  Speaker 1: separation of church and state because the Department of War
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  Speaker 1: posted a he has risen me. I guess what I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to say is how far are you guys willing
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  Speaker 1: to go? And how much are you willing to sacrifice?
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  Speaker 1: Because you feel a part of something. How many rights
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  Speaker 1: are we willing to give up? And not we obviously
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  Speaker 1: because I'm not participating in this. How many rights are
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  Speaker 1: you willing to give up? How many people are you
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  Speaker 1: willing to watch be oppressed? How many times are you
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  Speaker 1: willing to see people othered or thrown in concentration camps
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  Speaker 1: or put in conversion therapy, or lose their right to vote,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: or lose their ability to have a partner that they
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  Speaker 1: choose and get medical benefits, or have a right to marriage.
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  Speaker 1: How many women have to die in parking lots of
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  Speaker 1: hospitals before we have a conversation about abortion actually being
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  Speaker 1: healthcare and not murder. Christianity is very confusing for me
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  Speaker 1: right now, and.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit painful because I really want to believe that the
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  Speaker 1: whole of these institutions and listen, that the whole of
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  Speaker 1: these institutions are good. Let me finish my thought that
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  Speaker 1: the whole of these institutions are good. And No, I
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  Speaker 1: don't pick on Islam because I was not raised in Islam.
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  Speaker 1: I don't pick on Judaism judaism Ism because I was
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  Speaker 1: not raised Jewish. Now do I think that all of
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  Speaker 1: those other massive institutions fall under the same category of
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  Speaker 1: criticism that Christianity does. Absolutely. They are used to justify violence.
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  Speaker 1: They are used to justify genocide. They are used to
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  Speaker 1: justify slavery. They are used to justify abuse of children.
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  Speaker 1: They are used to justify the abuse and the oppression
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  Speaker 1: of women. They're used to justify war and all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of atrocities. They are used to uphold the royals like
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  Speaker 1: take over entire countries, colonize whole continents.
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  Speaker 2: So, yes, at the top, there are some issues.
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  Speaker 1: But at the core of it all, is it really
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  Speaker 1: about connecting with God and having a relationship with God?
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  Speaker 1: Or is it about being a part of an institution
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  Speaker 1: that allows you the ability to judge and condemn other people.
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  Speaker 2: What is your goal?
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  Speaker 1: Is your goal to feel like you're a part of something,
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  Speaker 1: or is your goal to live a life that is.
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  Speaker 2: For others?
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  Speaker 1: They live a life that is christ like, to love
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  Speaker 1: your neighbor, to do unto others, to do unto the
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  Speaker 1: least of them. I don't really hear a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Christians quoting those these days.
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  Speaker 2: I do hear them quoting, you know.
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  Speaker 1: The verses that they used to justify uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sending women to prison for having miscarriages, or or the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the the verses about throwing your children child
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  Speaker 1: out into the street because they've come out to you
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  Speaker 1: as gay, or women, you know, not having a right
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  Speaker 1: to start a business because men are the hell the
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  Speaker 1: head of the house.
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  Speaker 2: I hear a lot of those. I don't hear a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the ones about loving everybody.
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  Speaker 1: And and giving people their free will to choose to
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  Speaker 1: come to God, and I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't hear any of that. So I'm just a
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: little confused.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe after you have the come together convention you can
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: explain it to me, because I am really struggling with it,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and this week in that sweet amongst or not to
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: what is it?
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  Speaker 2: What do we even call it? A truth y?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: What's what is it? What is the thing on there?
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  Speaker 1: It's a post, just a post whatever the fuck is
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: on that truth social app the truthy whatever that truthy
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  Speaker 1: is that Trump drops and then Jaden Ivan thing ivy
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  Speaker 1: thing in the Easter and the Department of Defense posting
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  Speaker 1: a he has risen.
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm fired up this week anyway. Uh
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  Speaker 1: that's my rantswer today, let me know what you think.
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  Speaker 1: And now it's time to get to Never Too Personal.
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  Speaker 1: All right, now it's time for Never Too Personal. If
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• 29:31
  Speaker 1: we post a prompt every Sunday on Too Personal Show
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  Speaker 1: on IG where you should follow us. Anyway, this question
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: is a very personal question. Do you want to be
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a wife? Well, I was a wife, and I was
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: also a fiance and obviously I've been a girlfriend, so
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I've touched all those spaces and I've also been single
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  Speaker 1: as well. Obviously I do I want to be a wife.
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  Speaker 1: I don't aspire to be a wife, but I would
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: be a wife. I think being a wife, or being married,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I should say, is an incredibly massive commitment and it
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is also a massive sacrifice, and a lot of times
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: when entering into these these situations, we only talk about
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: parts of what it means. Obviously, it's a commitment. You're
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: choosing a person to be with for the rest of
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: your life. You're choosing to partner with them. You're choosing
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to share your space with them, to share your body
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  Speaker 1: with them, to share your finances with them, your family
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  Speaker 1: with them, sometimes a child with them. But you are
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: also sacrificing things, and the sacrifice is a part of
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  Speaker 1: it that has to happen if it's going to work.
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  Speaker 1: When you're a single person, you can make choices that
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  Speaker 1: directly affect you and you don't necessarily have to consult
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  Speaker 1: anyone about them.
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  Speaker 2: When you're married, all of.
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  Speaker 1: Your choices affect another person because you have a partner.
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  Speaker 1: So you have to sacrifice a lot of autonomy. You
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  Speaker 1: have to sacrifice your ability to just move around, You
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  Speaker 1: have to sacrifice things physically sometimes, and a list of
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  Speaker 1: other things. It's a lot of compromise. It's almost a
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  Speaker 1: daily compromise, and the people change. People are one person
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  Speaker 1: when you marry them, and they can be a different
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  Speaker 1: person in two years, five years, and certainly over the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: course of a lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: People change in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't it's not something that is a goal
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  Speaker 1: of mine to be a wife. It is something I
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  Speaker 1: would do, I would get married. But if I got married,
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  Speaker 1: it's something that I would be one thousand percent sure
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  Speaker 1: that we on a shadow of it out that I
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  Speaker 1: would never get divorced. You know, obviously, the atrocity is outstanding.
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  Speaker 1: This is the person that I'm choosing forever. And I
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  Speaker 1: know that sounds very silly because, like I've already been married.
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  Speaker 1: But as we know, sometimes you don't think all of
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  Speaker 1: these things through. And it really is the biggest decision
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  Speaker 1: and the most important decision that you will ever make.
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  Speaker 1: You're picking a partner, and it is the most outrageous
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: contract that you will ever sign in your life. And
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you are signing a contract. You are agreeing to be
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a partner with another person.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, I would be a wife.
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  Speaker 1: Do I want to be a wife only to the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: person that I would agree to be a wife too,
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  Speaker 1: if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be a wife for the sake
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  Speaker 2: of being a wife.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of nuanced conversation that I don't
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  Speaker 1: think people have. I think a lot of people want
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the wedding, they don't necessarily want the marriage. And the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: wedding is one day. The marriage is a lifetime. So
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: it is this the most serious thing that you could
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  Speaker 1: ever do. And I honestly think if people who were
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: married for a long time had more real conversations about it,
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  Speaker 1: if people who had failed marriages had more real conversations
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  Speaker 1: about it, and if we supported each other in our
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: marriages more fully and honestly, I think there would be
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  Speaker 1: more success in marriages.
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  Speaker 2: So great question.
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  Speaker 1: Hope that answered it, and if you want to be
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