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Mamdani Marks Oct. 7, Then Demonizes Israel · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch. Grab a stool next
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  Speaker 1: to Greg Karambas of Radio America and Jim Garrity of
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  Speaker 1: National Review. Three Martini's coming up.
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  Speaker 2: So glad you're with us for the Wednesday edition of
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  Speaker 2: the Three Martini Lunch. A whole lot to get to today.
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  Speaker 2: And Jim, as many of our listeners know, it was
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  Speaker 2: three years ago today that we all woke up to
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  Speaker 2: the news of the horrific Hamas terrorist attacks, uh, a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of them flooding into Israel, slaughtering people in every
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  Speaker 2: way imaginable, people at a music festival, people in their homes,
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  Speaker 2: horrific on every scale, taking hundreds of people hostage, doing
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  Speaker 2: things to them that I can't even imagine. And thankfully
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  Speaker 2: now we all have either the bodies or the living
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  Speaker 2: prisoners back. But, you know, on a day like this,
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  Speaker 2: it's a time for reflection and resolve and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: But of course, there are politicians who who simply can't
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  Speaker 2: help themselves. And not surprisingly, one of them is the
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  Speaker 2: mayor of New York City, Zohran Mamdani, who tweets today,
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  Speaker 2: This day is profoundly painful for so many New Yorkers.
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  Speaker 2: It marks three years since the horrific war crimes of
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  Speaker 2: October 7th. On that day, Hamas killed more than 1,100
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  Speaker 2: Israelis and abducted 251 others. We grieve alongside our many
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  Speaker 2: friends and neighbors who still carry that unthinkable loss. That's
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  Speaker 2: where it should have stopped. But he didn't stop there.
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  Speaker 2: He says the suffering did not begin nor end that day.
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  Speaker 2: It instead continued through the Israeli government's devastating, ongoing genocide
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  Speaker 2: in Gaza, in which it has killed more than 74,000 Palestinians,
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  Speaker 2: including more than 21,000 children. Even since the so-called ceasefire,
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  Speaker 2: more than 1,400 Palestinians have been killed. That suffering has intensified,
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  Speaker 2: with every Israeli bomb dropped on ambulances waiting outside hospitals,
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  Speaker 2: every drone strike targeting a residential building or journalist, and
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  Speaker 2: every shipment of food turned away at a border crossing.
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  Speaker 2: Many New Yorkers are reckoning with this unbearable grief and
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  Speaker 2: we mourn alongside them, all while knowing that our tax
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  Speaker 2: dollars fund these war crimes. Three years later, we must
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  Speaker 2: refuse to accept a world in which occupation and apartheid continue,
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  Speaker 2: where war crimes are met with impunity and our federal
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  Speaker 2: government continues its complicity with every arms shipment. To honor
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  Speaker 2: the dead, we must fight for a world in which
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  Speaker 2: every person can live with freedom, safety, And dignity. I
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  Speaker 2: can already hear the steam coming out of Jim Garrity's ears. So, Jim,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, one paragraph would have done just pretty darn
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  Speaker 2: well there. But no, he just had to go out
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  Speaker 2: there and spew all sorts of ugly propaganda.
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  Speaker 1: So, Greg, we have this. This was posted by the
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  Speaker 1: mayor at about 840 Eastern Time this morning. We were
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  Speaker 1: taping this right before 11 o'clock. And in that time,
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  Speaker 1: it's got nearly 2 million views on X. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: would note where you said where it stopped and it
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  Speaker 1: would have been a perfectly appropriate statement. On X, that's
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  Speaker 1: where the cutoff is of whatever, I guess, 150 characters
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, 200 characters, whatever it is now. And the
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  Speaker 1: rest of that is below the fold, so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how many people are only seeing that first
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  Speaker 1: sentence or that first, you know, paragraph of appropriate remarks.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how many people are missing where it immediately
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  Speaker 1: pivots to blaming the Israeli government and where it goes
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  Speaker 1: on and really spends most of its time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: talking about the terrible things allegedly done by the Israeli government.
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  Speaker 1: It's like we're getting the Hamas attacks out of the way,
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  Speaker 1: pro forma, check the box, so that Zoran Mamdami could
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  Speaker 1: talk about what he really wants to talk about, Israel
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  Speaker 1: and how terrible it is. On the one hand, we
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  Speaker 1: kind of knew he was going to do something like this.
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  Speaker 1: We knew this was, you know, he had run on
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  Speaker 1: pledging he was going to get Bibi Netanyahu arrested if
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  Speaker 1: he ever came to New York City. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we know exactly where Zoran Mamdami stands on this. I
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  Speaker 1: also think, you know, we're now looking back at this
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  Speaker 1: for three years. There were protests in support of the
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  Speaker 1: Palestinians and against Israel on October 8th, 2023. So all
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  Speaker 1: these people like, ah, you know, Israel wasted the world's sympathy.
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  Speaker 1: There were people who were preemptively angry about any response
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  Speaker 1: that Israel was going to make. There are a whole
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people in this world who are very comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with Jews as victims. That's why they don't mind going
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  Speaker 1: to Holocaust Remembrance Day. They don't mind talking about how
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  Speaker 1: terrible anti-Semitism is. They're very comfortable being sad for Jews.
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  Speaker 1: But they get very, very upset whenever the Jews start
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  Speaker 1: standing up and defending themselves. Wait a second. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 1: That's breaking the deal. And whatever response Jews make in
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  Speaker 1: response to Amos, well, that's too much. That's going too far.
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  Speaker 1: That's too extreme. Look, I have a very hard time
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  Speaker 1: begrudging people when they've been attacked the way the Israelis
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  Speaker 1: were in October. Concert goers, right? We saw the footage
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  Speaker 1: of young women being abducted on motorcycles. We saw the
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  Speaker 1: abuse of the bodies in the streets by crowds. It's
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  Speaker 1: very hard to believe that it's one or two bad
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  Speaker 1: apples in Palestinian society. One of the problems here is
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  Speaker 1: that Hamas was completely integrated with Palestinian society. Are there
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  Speaker 1: Palestinians who are opposed to Hamas? Yeah, but they're not
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  Speaker 1: very loud. And if they are loud, they're not loud
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  Speaker 1: for very long, right? So it's one of those things
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  Speaker 1: where When you put your bases underneath hospitals, it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty clear you're going to end up with some hospitals
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  Speaker 1: being hit. And we've seen the evidence of bases and
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  Speaker 1: ammunition depots and all these things stored under civilian facilities
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  Speaker 1: and hospitals and stuff like that. Zohar Mamdami is not
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  Speaker 1: interested in that because that complicates this very simple story
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  Speaker 1: he wants to tell of Palestinian victimhood.
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  Speaker 2: So it's pretty much the standard position inside the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 2: Not all Democrats, certainly some Jewish Democrats don't use this language.
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  Speaker 2: But we just talked about Troy Jackson last week using
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  Speaker 2: the word genocide and then awkwardly trying to backtrack. And
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  Speaker 2: other Democrats are too. And so, you know, the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to do, we'll see in November, they're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to do relatively well in this midterm election. And so
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  Speaker 2: if they succeed with that rhetoric, what comes after that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we just saw the Green Party of the United
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  Speaker 1: Kingdom say that they do not recognize Israel's right to exist.
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  Speaker 1: They believe in a one state solution. That one state
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  Speaker 1: should be the Palestinian state. There should not be an Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Jewish members of the Green Party were understandably deeply upset
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  Speaker 1: by this and are leaving the party. But I also
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  Speaker 1: kind of feel like the handwriting was on the wall
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  Speaker 1: for some, never mind the Green Party, the Labour Party
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  Speaker 1: over in the UK for a long time. This is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're not there yet in this country. We're
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  Speaker 1: not that far from it. We can see it there.
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  Speaker 1: There really is, you know, little or no pro-Israel voice,
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  Speaker 1: loud pro-Israel voice in the Democratic Party these days. Almost everybody,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Josh Shapiro, Rahm Emanuel, whatever support of Israel
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  Speaker 1: they express, they then have to say, And I am
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  Speaker 1: very upset with Bibi Netanyahu for this, that, and the
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  Speaker 1: other thing. And it's very clear that Israel has become
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  Speaker 1: a partisan issue. This is really bad news for supporters
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  Speaker 1: of Israel. This is really bad news for the Israelis.
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  Speaker 1: I think really bad news for the American Jewish community,
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  Speaker 1: because you could be the most anti-Bibi Netanyahu Jew in
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  Speaker 1: the country. You could be the most anti, you'd be
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  Speaker 1: vehemently opposed to the policies of the Israeli government. Anti-Semitic yahoos,
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  Speaker 1: whether they're of the white nationalist right-wing variety or the Arab, Muslim, Palestinian,
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  Speaker 1: left-wing variety, they don't really care, right? When we saw
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  Speaker 1: the college students tearing down menorahs on college campuses, that's
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  Speaker 1: not the Israeli consulate. That's not the Israeli embassy. Those
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  Speaker 1: are symbols of Jews, right? A whole bunch of people
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  Speaker 1: who say, oh, I'm anti-Zionist, wink, wink, are actually just
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  Speaker 1: flat-out anti-Semitic. And we've had three years of this evidence
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  Speaker 1: piling up higher and higher. So, look, I would love
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  Speaker 1: to see the Democratic Party come to its senses. I'd
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  Speaker 1: love to see them recognize... you know, that no society
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  Speaker 1: that engages in anti-Semitism, generally it's a sign of mental illness.
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  Speaker 1: Generally it's a sign you believe in vast conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 1: and things like that. It's a sign of deepening, worsening
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  Speaker 1: irrationality in how you see the world. History has got
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  Speaker 1: way too many vivid demonstrations of this. But we'll see
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  Speaker 1: what happens. The only thing we can do is stand
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  Speaker 1: up for what we believe in and hope that eventually
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  Speaker 1: enough people agree with us and start to see the
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  Speaker 1: world the.
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a twist in the relationship, it seems,
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  Speaker 2: if CNN's reporting is accurate, between Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic
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  Speaker 2: nominee for U.S. Senate in Michigan, and that streamer from California,
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  Speaker 2: Hassan Piker, who was more than welcome on the El-Sayed
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  Speaker 2: campaign trail during the primary. And all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: El-Sayed can't remember his name. And gosh, why do people
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  Speaker 2: keep asking questions about that? Well, A couple of different
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  Speaker 2: updates here. First of all, let's go to Fox News,
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  Speaker 2: where El-Sayed sat down with Martha McCallum yesterday. And of course,
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  Speaker 2: Piker came up and listened to his explanation of Piker's
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  Speaker 2: involvement in the campaign.
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  Speaker 3: Look, this campaign was never about a streamer in California.
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  Speaker 3: This campaign was always about the price of gas and groceries,
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  Speaker 3: whether or not you could see a doctor when you
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  Speaker 3: get sick in the United States. I know every time
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  Speaker 3: I have a conversation here that he's going to come up.
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  Speaker 3: And the question is not about a relationship I got
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  Speaker 3: with a streamer in California. It's not a relationship. The
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  Speaker 3: reason I have a conversation with him is the same
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  Speaker 3: reason I have a conversation with you. Because I want
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  Speaker 3: I want to have a conversation with. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: Jim, going on a podcast is a lot different than
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  Speaker 2: inviting that podcaster to stump for you during your primary season.
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  Speaker 2: But CNN now saying that at least privately, Abdul El-Sayed
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  Speaker 2: has called Hassan Piker and warned him that his rhetoric
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  Speaker 2: was costing him votes. And so basically pipe down here
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  Speaker 2: over the last four weeks. But man, there's an avalanche
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  Speaker 2: of videos out there of both of them and together
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  Speaker 2: and on and on it goes. But he was kind
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  Speaker 2: of caught between a rock and a hard place here.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty hard to immediately denounce the guy that you
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  Speaker 2: brought onto the campaign trail. But the longer you don't,
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  Speaker 2: that looks pretty bad, too. So hopefully this costs El
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  Speaker 2: Slavitt big time.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, let's begin with the fact that I've seen more
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  Speaker 1: people named Voldemort than Hasan Piker. Did he get his
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  Speaker 1: name legally changed to a Twitch streamer in California? It's
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  Speaker 1: like Abdul-Assad's afraid if he says it three times, he's
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  Speaker 1: going to appear like Beetlejuice or something like that. It
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  Speaker 1: does not. Like, you know what you do if you
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  Speaker 1: don't want people talking about your relationship with Assan Piker?
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  Speaker 1: One is like, don't get to know him in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. But let's assume it's too late. You've already
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  Speaker 1: done that. Don't invite him to campaign with you at
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  Speaker 1: multiple stops on college campuses as you're running for Senate.
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  Speaker 1: When you do that. You're effectively, you know, you are
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  Speaker 1: putting in a situation where you can no longer do
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  Speaker 1: the play. Oh, I barely know the guy. Oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: You know, just not plausible. Now, you and I have
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  Speaker 1: had a few candidates, very few candidates appear on this.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Tafoya is running in Minnesota. If you and I
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  Speaker 1: kept running around saying the moon is made of green
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  Speaker 1: cheese or something, that's kind of silly. Let's say you
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  Speaker 1: and I regularly said offensive things. The media up in
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota would have a fair question of, Hey, Jim Garrity
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  Speaker 1: and Greg Karambas are saying these offensive– they're saying crazy
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  Speaker 1: things like the Jets could win. And at some point,
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  Speaker 1: how do you feel about their statements? And Michelle Tafoya
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  Speaker 1: would be in a situation where she'd have to say,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe I did the show
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  Speaker 1: with those guys. They're both nuts. What's wrong with them?
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  Speaker 1: She could do that. She could say, oh, they're terrific
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  Speaker 1: and I too believe the moon is made of green
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  Speaker 1: cheese or whatever. But the thing is, is that, like,
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  Speaker 1: this is fairly normal, right? This is fairly standard. Candidates
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  Speaker 1: get asked about other members of their party. They get
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  Speaker 1: asked about donors. They get asked about, you know, Mitt Romney,
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  Speaker 1: did you give that guy a bad haircut in school
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  Speaker 1: or whatever? Like, they get asked about all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 1: So the idea that Abdul Al-Sayed is having some sort
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  Speaker 1: of unfair pressure to get asked about the outrageous things
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  Speaker 1: that Hasan Piker is... And remember, it's not just like... oh,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: I think we should really raise taxes. It's America deserve 9-11, right?
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  Speaker 1: America is a bigger terrorist force than Al-Qaeda, right? He
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  Speaker 1: does not believe that Hamas is better, morally superior to Israel, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: these are really extreme things. So, and the other kind
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  Speaker 1: of flip side of this, it's not exactly a subtle
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  Speaker 1: theory in my assessment of Hamas. Boy, there's a Freudian slip.
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  Speaker 1: An assessment of Hasan Piker for quite some time. I
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  Speaker 1: think he's dumb. Like, really not the sharpest knife in
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  Speaker 1: the drawer. Because let's say you're a Sunpiker and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden your desire to be a big deal
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  Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party has succeeded beyond your wildest dreams.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just the three profiles in the New York
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  Speaker 1: Times in a six-year span. It's not just the glowing
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  Speaker 1: profile in the Rolling Stone. You are now a really
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  Speaker 1: big deal. And one of the reasons you're a really
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  Speaker 1: big deal is that your mouth keeps getting you in
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  Speaker 1: trouble and you start saying these kinds of outrageous things
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  Speaker 1: and guys like Abdul Al-Sayed get asked about you a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Abdul Al-Sayed really shouldn't have to make that phone call. Abdullah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll say, like, you should have enough wherewithal to recognize, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm becoming a liability for anybody who ever appeared on
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  Speaker 1: my show, right? I have a responsibility to not say
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  Speaker 1: the first thing that pops into my mind, particularly when
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  Speaker 1: I'm praising terrorist groups, particularly when I'm arguing that America
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  Speaker 1: is a terrible place, particularly when I'm arguing that the
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  Speaker 1: terrorists are the morally superior. Like, this is not brain surgery.
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  Speaker 1: This is not really complicated. By the way, I would
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  Speaker 1: love to have been a fly on the wall. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they don't say I'd love to be a fly on
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  Speaker 1: the wall for that conversation between Abdul-Sayed and Hasan Piker.
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  Speaker 1: But as Norm MacDonald said, you wouldn't understand anything because
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  Speaker 1: you're a fly and you don't speak English. You'd be
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  Speaker 1: worried about spiders. But to have heard that conversation, you
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  Speaker 1: figure Abdul-Sayed is saying some version of like, dude, what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing? Every week I'm reading about some new
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  Speaker 1: crazy thing that you've said. You're making me look bad.
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  Speaker 1: I need you to go into the witness protection program
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  Speaker 1: between now and election day. Stop saying this stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: I'd really love to know what Hassan Piker's reaction to that.
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  Speaker 1: There's a part of me wants to say, oh, Hassan Piker,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to let him censor you? You're going to
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  Speaker 1: let him push you around, tell you what you can
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  Speaker 1: and can't say? Only because I, you know, like, but really, like,
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  Speaker 1: saying is enough of a concern to call him up
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  Speaker 1: this kind of stuff?
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  Speaker 2: Well, something must be happening somewhere in the internals for
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, Hasan Piker must think that El
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the party that he thinks needs to
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  Speaker 1: That's right. We need to do some Cultural Revolution Mao stuff,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm cleaning up his language there. Yes, no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: Well, in a moment, we'll head to Maine and take
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  Speaker 2: All right, as we promised, heading to Maine. Last night,
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  Speaker 2: Senate debate between Senator Susan Collins and the Democratic nominee,
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  Speaker 2: Troy Jackson, chosen by several hundred Democratic delegates after Graham
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Plattner dropped out. We've chronicled some of Troy Jackson's odd
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  Speaker 2: segments of his biography, including how the family tree doesn't
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: fork all that much.
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  Speaker 1: Very close family. Unnervingly close family.
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  Speaker 2: Close family. Talked about his genocide comments last week and
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  Speaker 2: his not-so-fondness of private property a couple of weeks back.
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  Speaker 2: But last night, a lot of things going on. He
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  Speaker 2: was hitting Collins over the tariffs, and she's talking about
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  Speaker 2: how she was able to fend off some of the tariffs.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good thing for me and But then
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  Speaker 2: it came question time. And of course, question time and
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  Speaker 2: debates is generally I'm going to use up all the
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  Speaker 2: time with my question and leave you about 10 seconds,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: if that, to to respond to it. But here is
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  Speaker 2: Susan Collins question to Troy Jackson, who has been in
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  Speaker 2: the Maine legislature for a very long time and is
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  Speaker 2: president of the the Maine Senate, the state Senate.
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  Speaker 4: Troy, you've served in Augusta for more than 20 years now.
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  Speaker 4: you ran for governor this year, you said that one
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  Speaker 4: of the main reasons you were running is even though
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  Speaker 4: you were Senate president, it was frustrating to try to
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  Speaker 4: get bills passed. You said that Governor Mills vetoed 40
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  Speaker 4: of your bills and and that Governor LePage vetoed 60
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: of them. But your trouble in getting bills passed goes
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: far beyond that. In your more than 20 years in
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  Speaker 4: the legislature, more than one-third of your bills were unanimously
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  Speaker 4: rejected in committee. You couldn't even find one Democrat on
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  Speaker 4: the committee to support a third If you can't find
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  Speaker 4: one person in your own party to vote for your
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  Speaker 4: bills when you were the Senate president in Maine, how
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  Speaker 4: do you think you're going to get things done in
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: a closely divided Senate as the most junior senator?
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  Speaker 2: And the standing eight count is now in effect for
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Troy Jackson. After that one, Susan Collins, man, she looks
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: like such a nice lady. And you call her one
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of the main nice ladies. But man, he's going to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: have a mark on his forehead after that one.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, it's like listening to Katherine Hepburn play Miss Marple
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  Speaker 1: from an Agatha Christie mystery. There's simply no way you
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: could get the legislation passed because the record indicates one
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: third of the time. you didn't vote for your own idea,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you moron. You know, it's quite striking to see that. Look,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I know some of the polls have Troy Jackson ahead.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Listeners probably remember that back in 2020, Sarah Gideon led
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: every poll against Susan Collins. Susan Collins won by eight
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: or nine points. It was not that close. I don't
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: know if that's a 2020 factor. I don't know if that's,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Maine has always been a difficult place to poll. But
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I just, one of those things where based on that,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I would need Troy Jackson. I would need to see
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Troy Jackson not just ahead, but like way ahead by
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: a lot consistently. And even then, I still might believe
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that Susan Collins could pull it out. Yeah, you know,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: she's looking a little long in the tooth, but she's
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: still got that ability to stick the shiv in and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: twist it, as we saw in that clip. And again,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: also Troy Jackson, I just don't think, you know, we've
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: seen survey numbers indicating that Maine Democrats really wish he
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't the nominee. He was almost literally the emergency break
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: glass candidate they ended up with. Um, and just, you know, he's,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: as he said, Jews are hung up on the Holocaust.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: You know, he's, this is, they're not, as Trump said of, of,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you know, Mexican illegal immigrants, they're not sending their best.
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  Speaker 1: And this is not the best Maine Democrats have to offer,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: have to offer even in a year like this, that's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: probably not going to be enough to take out Susan Collins,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: but I guess we'll see in November.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so, but she better get 50% in
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: that first round. Cause I'm not sure that she's going
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: to get a lot after that. So We will keep watching.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: If the polls are, like you said, like they were
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: six years ago, she's probably in pretty good shape. But
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  Speaker 2: on to our chaser now, and this was potentially a
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: nominee for the good martini too, but... This report from
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Fox News, but it was everywhere yesterday. The date is
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: set for Fort Hood terrorist Nidal Hassan to face an
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: army firing squad. Hassan's execution is scheduled for December 3rd
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: at 1 p.m. Central Time at Fort Hood, Texas, where
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the terrorist attack occurred, according to an army execution order
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  Speaker 2: issued Tuesday. The former army major killed 13 people and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: wounded 32 others when he opened fire on unarmed soldiers
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  Speaker 2: at Fort Hood back in 2009. President Trump approved Hassan's
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: death sentence after Secretary Pete Hegseth recommended execution by firing squad.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: And many people point out it's actually 14 people killed
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: because one of the women killed was pregnant. So, Jim,
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  Speaker 2: this should be a no brainer. This is justice. This
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: is not a victory lap of some kind. You kill
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people like that. You should face the executioner.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, Greg, that my other podcast
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that I do, The Editors with National Review, we talked
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: about the Krista Pike case. We talked about the death
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: penalty case. I think it's entirely natural for some people
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to have certain mixed feelings about it. Obviously, you want
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to make sure you have the right person. You want
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to make sure the person had a fair trial, had
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: adequate representation, had every opportunity to appeal. But in this case, look,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that we have the right person. The
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: example I like to cite is that I believe about
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: 19% of self-identified death penalty opponents said they supported the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: execution of Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber. I think
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: even death penalty opponents sometimes come across a case that
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: strikes them as so heinous, and I think this is
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: adequately responsible. And I know there are some people who say, ah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you know, this guy's a jihadist. These people want to die.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: They want to die at the hands of the enemy.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: They think he'll get rewarded in the afterlife. So by
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: executing him, you're giving him what he wants. Greg, to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that I say, I'm a uniter, not a divider. And
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: if this is what he wants, well, look, everybody goes
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: home happy. Well, some of us go home happy in
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: one piece. Some don't. Yeah, absolutely.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Now, Jim, this is a long time ago, 17 years ago.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Do you remember how the Obama administration labeled this particular
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: terrorist attack at Fort Hood?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Gun violence, if I remember correctly. Workplace violence. Workplace violence.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it was violence in a workplace, but
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: that's really not, you know, there's no sense of, ah,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I'm so stressed or, yeah, someone took my stapler. No, no,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: it's not that. Not at all. Not at all. So,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Well, Looks like we're finally going to get resolution on
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: that case. And Jim, tomorrow, we'll do it all again.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Jim Garrity, National Review. I'm Greg Karumbas of Radio America.
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