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Bob Nightengale's Hot Stove update + Braves active offseason + Stomping on some big pitcher trade rumors · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: We've got Bob Nightingale from USA today and one of
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Speaker 1: our insiders here on FT joining us. Bob, good to
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Speaker 1: see you, and let's start at the top here. We
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Speaker 1: have two fresh signings, as you just pointed out, and
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Speaker 1: we showed the tweet, both for the same amount of
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Speaker 1: money at the same exact time. What do you think
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Speaker 1: of Luke Weaver to the Mets and Brad Keller to
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Speaker 1: the Phillies for two years and twenty two million dollars?
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Speaker 2: It was interesting the Yankees never made an offer on Weaver.
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Speaker 3: It's almost like, you know when Starnburner instead, I'm want
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Speaker 3: to keep this payroll around three hundred run or keep
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Speaker 3: to the word.
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Speaker 2: So maybe they're saving that money for Bellinger or somebody else.
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Speaker 3: Uh So, I was fascinated at the end of make
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Speaker 3: an offer, so I know that was I agree with
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Speaker 3: you guys, that was a great deal for a Weaver.
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Speaker 3: Keller has made himself a lot of money compared to
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Speaker 3: where he was. And you know, we talk about everybody
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Speaker 3: making eleven million. Member Kelly Jensen did that a few
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Speaker 3: days ago. Then everybody kind of followed him. Okay, if
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Speaker 3: Jans makes eleven, we'll make eleven. You know, we saw
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Speaker 3: that last week, of course at the winter meetings with
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Speaker 3: Alonzo and Schwarber, whether you know both basically making the
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Speaker 3: same amount of money.
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Speaker 4: Is the Luke Weaver not getting an offer from the
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Speaker 4: Yankees more news than what it is than you know,
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Speaker 4: not just the payroll, the need to get the payroll
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Speaker 4: under a certain spot, or is it the Yankees saw
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Speaker 4: maybe a little bit of a regression or something that
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Speaker 4: they were like, I don't know if this holds up
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Speaker 4: because they still need bullpen help.
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Speaker 3: They do, and obviously they didn't him bearing to anybody.
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Speaker 3: They know themer than the Mets. They get the medicals.
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Speaker 2: They saw you got.
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Speaker 3: Hurt last year, so we'll see. I mean, he had
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Speaker 3: an unbelievable bounce back. You know, I thought a few
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Speaker 3: years ago he was almost on the point of retiring,
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Speaker 3: just where his career was going. So he's really remained himself.
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Speaker 3: So you know, they might have been told too, he's
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Speaker 3: going to take ten eleven million dollars multi years, where
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Speaker 3: the Yankees say, you know what, we're not going to
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Speaker 3: bother make an offer, so they must have an idea
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Speaker 3: of what was going to take.
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Speaker 5: I want to talk one more thing about New York here.
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Speaker 5: You know, the Mets are starting to make these moves
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Speaker 5: after the whole big trading, Nemo getting Alonso didn't come back,
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Speaker 5: Edwin Diaz didn't come back. What's next for the Mets
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Speaker 5: and the Yankees as well? I mean they're both part
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Speaker 5: of this. I mean both you know, Devin Williams played
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Speaker 5: for the Yankees and Weaver played for the Yankees as well.
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Speaker 6: So do you see.
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Speaker 5: Anything happening before you know, the holiday comes here with
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Speaker 5: both these New York teams?
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Speaker 6: Anything anymore or anything less? What do you think?
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Speaker 3: Well, less have got to get a big time starter somewhere,
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Speaker 3: you know, whether it's a uh, you know, uh your frame,
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Speaker 3: Red Beldez or Michael King or you know the Japanese Star.
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Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta get somebody to turn that thing around.
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Speaker 3: So they're reshaping that thing in Stern's image, and uh
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Speaker 3: what Sterns wants. And I think, you know, kudos to
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Speaker 3: Stearns were not caring about the the pr backlash. I
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Speaker 3: think he wanted to make this with this team his
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Speaker 3: style and kind of told Steve co Okay, you got Sodo,
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Speaker 3: let me do the rest here. I still find that
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Speaker 3: whole trade fascinating that Nimmo was willing to waive his
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Speaker 3: no trade clause after spending his whole time there building
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Speaker 3: a house in Port Saint Luci. So I still think
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Speaker 3: and you still hear rumblings of what's actually going on
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Speaker 3: in the clubhouse dynamics.
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Speaker 7: Let's talk about Tatsuomi.
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Speaker 4: Is the market for him going to just explode in
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Speaker 4: the sense that everybody's final offers are going to come
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Speaker 4: in because of that deadline that he has. That couldn't
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Speaker 4: that happen for other free agents if they had their
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Speaker 4: own deadline, which might actually work in Tatsuyama's favor for
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Speaker 4: the bigger markets here.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think with that Dylan cease for what he got,
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Speaker 3: I don't think enemy expected him to get two or ten,
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Speaker 3: but took off the year he came off as like
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Speaker 3: his name being going top that. So I'm sure you
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Speaker 3: know both Emaya and Framer bell da as I said, hey,
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Speaker 3: I want something close to it, if not tomp it.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think of beldesmy saying, you know what,
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Speaker 3: let me wait for my to sign.
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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna piggyback off him.
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Speaker 3: So I think they're kind of looking at each other
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Speaker 3: that they believe that they should be in the same ballpark,
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Speaker 3: and nobody really wants to jump.
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Speaker 5: First, let's talk about you know, you're wearing a purple
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Speaker 5: shirt right now, Arizona Diamondbacks.
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Speaker 6: I think there's a reasoning for that. No, I'm just kidding.
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Speaker 5: But ultimately, ultimately Alex Bregman, he's been on a lot
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Speaker 5: of talks, you know, a couple of teams here and
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Speaker 5: there are the Arizona Diamondbacks to play here or are
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Speaker 5: we just hearing this.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, you're talking to Dinmack officials and no
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Speaker 3: words kicking the tires. I think it's the thing where
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Speaker 3: if they do consel Marte, that's about a hard million
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Speaker 3: bucks come off the books. Uh, you know, Bregman won't
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Speaker 3: be that much more in that, and then you can
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Speaker 3: bring him in.
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Speaker 2: They need a big clubhouse influence in there.
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Speaker 3: They got you know, some great eight star players Corbyn Carroll,
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Speaker 3: but a young guy not really ready to assume that
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Speaker 3: veteran leadership, and I think Bregnant would fill that role.
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Speaker 3: Bregnant Spence as winners in Scottsdell working out. I think
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Speaker 3: he's got a second home here, that sort of thing.
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Speaker 3: So uh yeah, no, one thought that a year ago
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Speaker 3: to get Clebyn Burns, and they did and this would
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Speaker 3: be another surprise. They're kind of, you know, seeing whether
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Speaker 3: that pregnant market really opens up.
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Speaker 2: But right now it's kind of the same teams as
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Speaker 2: a year ago.
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Speaker 3: You know, Boston, Detroit, Cubs would degree, but I'm not
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Speaker 3: sure the Cubs you know, have as much interest as
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Speaker 3: they did a year ago because Matt Shaw had a
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Speaker 3: pretty solid rookie year.
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Speaker 4: Are the kicking the tires so that what you said,
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Speaker 4: like the market kind of kicks up. Like if you
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Speaker 4: never if other teams don't ever make offers or really
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Speaker 4: push for a player, the player is never going to
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Speaker 4: make that much money. So is this just an easy
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Speaker 4: is this just an easy story when you go and
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Speaker 4: call kind of getting into like what you do when
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Speaker 4: you talk to club officials, it's like, what's the hurt?
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Speaker 4: What's the hurt of the Diamondbacks saying yeah, you know what,
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Speaker 4: we'll see if he's willing to take another one year deal.
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Speaker 4: We'll see if he's willing to take you know, less years.
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Speaker 4: But it's not really something that's out there.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it's like a Pittsburgh case
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Speaker 3: where Pittsburgh couldn't wait till tell everybody in the world
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Speaker 3: they wanted to college college Warbor, just give me leaking
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Speaker 3: out the numbers. I don't I don't think exact case.
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Speaker 3: I think it's that they don't know for sure what
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Speaker 3: happens to Marte. If they move Marte, dinner's a spot
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Speaker 3: for him. If they don't move, tell Marte, then there's
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Speaker 3: really no room. So I think that's why they're letting uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, Scott Bors and them know that, Hey, we're
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Speaker 3: involved here, but we gotta we gotta do some things
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Speaker 3: before we go full force into the pregnant sweepstakes.
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Speaker 6: Let me let me ask you this.
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Speaker 5: So it seems like as these trades and free agencies
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Speaker 5: are picking.
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Speaker 6: Up, it just seems like it's the same old teams.
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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, Blue Jays are finding ways, the Phillies,
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Speaker 5: the Braves, the Yankees, the Mets. Do you see any
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Speaker 5: other like teams Dodgers coming along here that are just
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Speaker 5: gonna find a way to get a free agent, Like
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Speaker 5: if they want somebody, they got to go out and
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Speaker 5: get them and spend Do you see that happening here
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Speaker 5: or is it just gonna be the big teams taking
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Speaker 5: over again.
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Speaker 2: I saw need some big teams, Like you know, Kansas
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Speaker 2: City has been very aggressive.
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Speaker 3: They're you know, small market. Uh, Atlanta's kind of a
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Speaker 3: dark horse. They've been making moves here. They still got
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Speaker 3: money to spend, so I think they you know, I
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Speaker 3: think it were kind of embarrassed and didn't make the
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Speaker 3: playoffs last year, and so they're full throttle love the
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Speaker 3: movies they made so far.
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Speaker 2: And but you're right, it remains of a year ago.
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Speaker 3: Even with guys like a you know, Nolan Arnatto out there,
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Speaker 3: you know what what happens to him, He's get in
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Speaker 3: the same boat as a year ago, waiting for the
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Speaker 3: bringing the market.
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Speaker 2: He was hoping breugnant when not stay with Boston, he
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Speaker 2: would have been in Boston.
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Speaker 3: If the Diamondbacks don't get Brugman, I think you would
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Speaker 3: love to go to Arizona.
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Speaker 4: Speaking of Boston, are they doing enough when they watched
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Speaker 4: the when they watch the Blue Jays all these signings,
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Speaker 4: they still haven't signed a big league player yet. They're
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Speaker 4: the only team in one of three teams to not
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Speaker 4: sign anybody to a big league contract. Now, I get
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Speaker 4: they made trades, but are they too much quote in
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Speaker 4: on people and not actually going after them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're sitting to mark at their price.
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Speaker 3: And then Dodgers did that obviously with Diaz, and then
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Speaker 3: Dodgers have done that, you know before, they did that
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Speaker 3: with Soto. I'm sure they'll do the same thing with Tucker,
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Speaker 3: saying take he or leave it, that type of thing.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, they're just being very methodical about it and say,
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Speaker 3: you know what, we'll wait for someone to panic here
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Speaker 3: and take what we offer.
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Speaker 2: So and obviously they got plenty of money.
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Speaker 3: They still got that money they ever, you know that
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Speaker 3: you saved on Rafael Devers trade. So I still think
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Speaker 3: they got some tricks at their sleeve. And but you know,
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Speaker 3: it wouldn't be surprised at all to see those moves
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Speaker 3: come late January early forevery how.
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Speaker 4: About the Phillies. Are the Phillies done? They got a
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Speaker 4: Dolis Garcia. I obviously think, you know, if they were
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Speaker 4: able to move bom out of the position, out of
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Speaker 4: third base because it's his last year, it will be
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Speaker 4: a free agent after the season, and something with costianis
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Speaker 4: obviously they filled the Costiano's part. Is there a chance
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Speaker 4: that they move to moving Bomb or the Phillies done and.
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Speaker 7: They like where their lineup is currently.
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Speaker 2: I think the Boom thing would be the X factor.
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Speaker 3: I could see them moving Boom and then, you know,
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Speaker 3: if they want, they could jump in on Bregman sort
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Speaker 3: of thing, because right now they're going to run the
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Speaker 3: same thing back except for Johnson Crawford. He'll be the
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Speaker 3: starting center fielder. They're excited about Garcia. They think he'll
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Speaker 3: bounce back, and hey, what hitter doesn't want to hit?
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Speaker 3: And U says, it's big part of park in Philadelphia,
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Speaker 3: so I would think you'll have a much better year there.
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Speaker 3: So they're mixing up. They about Andrew Paynton rotation. So
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Speaker 3: they made a enough fload of moves. But I think
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Speaker 3: Boom's the only guy who could possibly move and then
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Speaker 3: shake things up even more. But right now, you know,
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Speaker 3: Dave Dombrowski said, we're set, We're not getting more outkillers,
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Speaker 3: and uh, you know, don't really ask them about Boom,
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Speaker 3: but that's certainly a possibility. Uh if they do move Boom,
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Speaker 3: then what what do they do afterwards?
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Speaker 6: Uh? Talking about third basement?
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Speaker 5: Uh, e Hen Suarez hasn't been much talk about him lately,
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Speaker 5: kind of under the radar. A very good third basement
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Speaker 5: a really good hit or two. In my opinion, How
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Speaker 5: do you see him shaping up here eventually with the
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Speaker 5: team and the third base market in general, how do
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Speaker 5: you see it shaking up as we move forward.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what hurts him is that the Diamondbacks,
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Speaker 3: you know, trading him and then I'm pretty much trading
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Speaker 3: for nothing. They they didn't get a whole bunch back
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Speaker 3: in return. I think they was done how little they
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Speaker 3: got back, and then they trade them and then Seattle
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Speaker 3: pretty much says, hey, we're not bringing them back no interest.
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Speaker 3: Granted he didn't have a great finish for them, but
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Speaker 3: still as in big games and played during the past.
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Speaker 3: So I think those two things hurt his value. I
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Speaker 3: think he kind of sits out there, uh, waiting to
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Speaker 3: see what happens with Murakami.
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Speaker 2: So when Maerkami signs and his deadline.
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Speaker 3: Is Monday, then he can kind of realize, okay, what
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Speaker 3: spots are open. And then when you know wherever he goes,
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Speaker 3: then I think Ernando waits for him and says, okay,
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Speaker 3: I'll you know, hopefully I'll get trade to uh where
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Speaker 3: he is, and I did.
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Speaker 2: I did. The Cardinals will eat a lot of money just.
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Speaker 3: I did a lot of money sending Gray I think
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Speaker 3: a lot of money to in Ernando's contract just to
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Speaker 3: get back to those prospects.
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Speaker 4: So is the is the market held up by Marikami?
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Speaker 4: Is the market held up by the fact that you
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Speaker 4: can get whatever you'll get Aeronauto for essentially nothing? Or
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Speaker 4: who who would you say is holding the market up
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Speaker 4: right now?
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Speaker 7: Of those three?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, those three has got to be Marikami. I mean
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Speaker 3: he's the Uh, he's this stuff everybody wants. One's quite
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Speaker 3: sure what you get. I mean you get, you know,
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Speaker 3: do you get forty home runs and two innerd shrakouts?
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Speaker 3: A lot of teams will take that, but he just
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Speaker 3: don't know.
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Speaker 8: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Suarez is very streaky er you know, pretty much finish
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Speaker 3: the second half on the injur list, So you're not
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Speaker 3: quite sure what you get from him either health wise.
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Speaker 3: So of the three, I would think that or not
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Speaker 3: will be the last one, you know, to get traded.
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Speaker 3: It wouldn't shock me to see him in the spring
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Speaker 3: training just for teams to see what he can do
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Speaker 3: or at least, you know, work out for teams to
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Speaker 3: say what he has left. So he's got two years
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Speaker 3: on his contract. Uh, you know his squarez was unbelievable
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Speaker 3: for the Diamondbacks, but he just wasn't that same guy
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Speaker 3: with him errors.
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Speaker 1: Wan a double down on Murkami. I don't feel like
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Speaker 1: I've gotten the info that I wanted leading up to
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Speaker 1: this signing. I look up suddenly, I'm like, WHOA, he's
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Speaker 1: going to sign in the next several days, right, I
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Speaker 1: mean the deadline is on Monday, so you presume we're
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Speaker 1: doing this show right now on even know what day is? Day? Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: wednesdaydays Wednesday, right, So Bob, we're running out of time here.
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Speaker 1: And usually with a player of this ILK who is
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Speaker 1: a big deal out in Japan with big power, I
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Speaker 1: get it, swing and misconcerns cool, get in line. There
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Speaker 1: are many on that list in terms of free agency
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Speaker 1: and players in general. These days, no whining and dining
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Speaker 1: and visiting teams. We usually find out a little bit
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Speaker 1: of that when someone's being courted. Do you find it
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Speaker 1: odd that we haven't heard about it? Maybe either it's
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Speaker 1: been kept really quiet, or he's not doing the tour
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Speaker 1: in the song and dance and he's just figuring out
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Speaker 1: where's the best fit and the best money and signing there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just more on behalf of what
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Speaker 3: he wants and he wants to be quiet. You know,
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Speaker 3: rookie Sosaki is pretty quiet too. I mean, everybody kind
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Speaker 3: of assume was given the Dodgers. Then you heard the
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Speaker 3: pod rice, but you know, it wasn't like he was
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Speaker 3: out there announcing. It was just when he got spotted.
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Speaker 3: So for Murakami not to be doing tours and not
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Speaker 3: being spoted on social media, I think he helps him.
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Speaker 3: But I bet it's you know, I bet he what
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Speaker 3: he wants. I'm sure he told his agency let's keep
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Speaker 3: this quiet. You know, for all we know, the Tigers
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Speaker 3: are all lying on him. Tigers would like to have
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Speaker 3: a third baseman. It would seem like they would get
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Speaker 3: one of these guys.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 3: So you know, maybe it's Mara comedy. They spend that
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Speaker 3: kind of money. So you know, because him for keeping
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Speaker 3: it quiet. Uh, it may just be out of the
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Speaker 3: blue on Monday, like okay here it is boom, almost
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Speaker 3: like what Atlanta does with all their trades and transactions.
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Speaker 3: It's like you're not sure what's coming until they just
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Speaker 3: you know, announce it right there on social media.
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Speaker 4: Does that make it more likely that it is a
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Speaker 4: team like the Tigers or like the Reds, or when
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Speaker 4: when you don't hear much, are there certain teams that
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Speaker 4: that's their mo o, that hey, we're not going to
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Speaker 4: really publicize this, and if the player doesn't publicize it,
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Speaker 4: then nobody really finds out about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, you know.
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Speaker 3: I think Baltimore kept that so quiet there, you know,
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Speaker 3: with a schwarb or keeping that as quiet as fond
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Speaker 3: well knowing if they don't want that. Philly's a top
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Speaker 3: it where you'll piss bring me into public. Cincinnati was
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Speaker 3: semi private, but they win and done him in August
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Speaker 3: when Adam brought the first bitch and with his father
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Speaker 3: and coach, and they would have kept going up too.
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Speaker 2: Just that. I think Schwarber said, I want to go
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Speaker 2: back to Philadelphia. Don't waste your time.
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Speaker 3: But I think if you're really serious about a guy,
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Speaker 3: you do keep it as quiet as possible.
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Speaker 2: Because you don't want anybody to want to know how
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Speaker 2: interesting you are.
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Speaker 1: Bob, I'll finished with this. It was where we started
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Speaker 1: with the reliever signings, and we keep learning more about
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Speaker 1: the Edwin Diaz exit from the Mets. What did you
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Speaker 1: think of his recent comments regarding the conversations they had
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Speaker 1: about the money and the Mets had flexibility. It sounds
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Speaker 1: like he basically brought the number he felt like the
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Speaker 1: market was at to the Mets they said no, but
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Speaker 1: maybe later, and he brought it to the Dodgers and
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Speaker 1: they said yes, but now, and he signed.
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Speaker 3: I think he got totally insense when he found out
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Speaker 3: that Devin Williams, you know, got signed through social media.
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Speaker 3: That he wasn't given a warning like, hey, if you
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Speaker 3: don't take this, we're gonna sign Devin Williams.
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Speaker 2: Once they signed Devin Williams, I know the.
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Speaker 3: Met said, oh, we want We're so interested in I Dias,
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Speaker 3: but not really, You're not gonna spend one hundred fifty
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Speaker 3: million dollars on two back end relievers. And I think
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Speaker 3: then when they started, you know, Nicol and Dimond him
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Speaker 3: saying well, it's a three year deal.
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Speaker 2: We'll raise it a little bit. Then he was just
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Speaker 2: sped up and say, you know what.
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Speaker 3: Let me go to the Dodgers, let me save fifty
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Speaker 3: sixty games a year, let me go in the Hall
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Speaker 3: of Fame this way. So I think the whole Williams
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Speaker 3: thing and the way they handle it just had him,
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Speaker 3: you know, off the deep end, like, wait him now,
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Speaker 3: after everything I've given you guys, but took you down
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Speaker 3: the stretch when he was pitching two winnings at time.
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Speaker 3: I remember that last game in Miami. I think you
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Speaker 3: pitched in the fourth inning, two winnings. So he sccrificed
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Speaker 3: a lot for those guys, and I think he said,
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Speaker 3: you know what, I'm out of here.
16:59
Speaker 2: You could have on somewhere else. He said, let me
17:01
Speaker 2: let me join the Dodgers.
17:03
Speaker 3: They're gonna trade me right and let me save sixty
17:06
Speaker 3: seventy games.
17:07
Speaker 2: Maybe fifty is too low.
17:10
Speaker 1: Last one here? Which side are you on with that game?
17:13
Speaker 1: If the Mets really did still want to court him,
17:16
Speaker 1: do you think that they mishandled this? You definitely have
17:19
Speaker 1: a crowd that will say, why does he need a
17:21
Speaker 1: phone call? If the Mets are offering him big money,
17:25
Speaker 1: he's likely going to still be their closer. They're getting
17:30
Speaker 1: themselves not only a backup plan, but somebody that helps
17:33
Speaker 1: make his job presumably easier. He doesn't have to always
17:36
Speaker 1: pop into the eighth inning and they're fighting for their
17:39
Speaker 1: playoff lives. I mean, if you're Edwin Diaz, you would
17:41
Speaker 1: love to have three four closers around you. So if
17:45
Speaker 1: it literally comes down to the phone call, then okay,
17:48
Speaker 1: it's nice to know. I actually take the other side here, Bob,
17:52
Speaker 1: which maybe you're taking. If I'm the Mets and I
17:54
Speaker 1: feel like that's what he needs and I'm really recruiting him.
17:57
Speaker 1: A phone call costs me nothing, so I'll just make
17:59
Speaker 1: the call and be like, hey, just so you know,
18:00
Speaker 1: we still love you, we're going after you. We're just
18:02
Speaker 1: getting Devin Williams to pop into the eighth inning if
18:05
Speaker 1: need be, so hope, that's cool. We don't want to
18:07
Speaker 1: overwork you over the next three four years, and will
18:10
Speaker 1: you sign here. But clearly he was offended by the
18:12
Speaker 1: actual process that went down. From a communications standpoint.
18:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think I think it Defendantom. I think
18:20
Speaker 2: he did deserve that phone call. Everything he's done for the.
18:23
Speaker 3: Mets, being with him for seven years, and just like
18:26
Speaker 3: you said, Skott, just explain it to him, Hey, we're
18:28
Speaker 3: not having signing him to replace you, but just to
18:30
Speaker 3: help you out. But just for him to know that,
18:33
Speaker 3: you know, hey, we saw that a few years ago
18:35
Speaker 3: in Atlanta with Freddy Freeman when they traded for a
18:38
Speaker 3: Grit you know, for Olsen met Olsen, and he had
18:41
Speaker 3: no idea. He was kind of blindsided by that. It's like, WHOA,
18:44
Speaker 3: I guess I'm out of here, and I think maybe
18:46
Speaker 3: the same thing here with Diaz, like I'm out of
18:49
Speaker 3: here too. I'm not coming back for the same amount
18:52
Speaker 3: of years as you give in Devon Williams, I deserve
18:54
Speaker 3: at least a four or five year deal. So I think,
18:56
Speaker 3: you know, not apples and apples, but I think a
18:59
Speaker 3: little bit hurt feelings that you know can't at least
19:02
Speaker 3: give me a phone call to let me know what's
19:04
Speaker 3: happening here.
19:06
Speaker 5: I think I think you're one hundred percent right, and
19:08
Speaker 5: I'm gonna leave you with this because it wouldn't be me.
19:10
Speaker 6: I'm from Jersey. I'd like to put you on the
19:12
Speaker 6: spot here a little bit like what I was doing.
19:14
Speaker 6: I talked to you.
19:15
Speaker 5: Give me, give me something right now that you think,
19:18
Speaker 5: you know out of the ordinary, or you think might happen.
19:21
Speaker 5: You know, before the New year, what trade or what
19:24
Speaker 5: kind of free agent. There's something outlandish that you think
19:27
Speaker 5: might happen, might not happen, but something in your mind
19:29
Speaker 5: where it's like this seems like a logical place for
19:32
Speaker 5: this person to go.
19:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I still think, you know, the pottery
19:37
Speaker 2: is up to something with a j. Preller. I would
19:39
Speaker 2: not be shocked to see.
19:41
Speaker 3: You know, Miller on the move again and uh, you know,
19:44
Speaker 3: maybe pavetted with him. So I think they're gonna do
19:48
Speaker 3: be the biggest A prize. And I still think the
19:51
Speaker 3: mess up some stuff up their sleeve. You know, they've
19:53
Speaker 3: already stolen a couple of guys from the Yankees. Why
19:56
Speaker 3: not go one more in grab a at Bellinger. I
19:59
Speaker 3: think they want to whoa and I think that'd be
20:03
Speaker 3: a perfect fit. I don't think they're big on Tucker,
20:05
Speaker 3: but I think Bellinger fits in perfectly as far as
20:08
Speaker 3: you know, playing great defense in the outfield and first base,
20:12
Speaker 3: which believe I think. And I think Tucker ends up
20:14
Speaker 3: in Toronto. I don't see a big fit with him
20:17
Speaker 3: anywhere else.
20:21
Speaker 1: Todd Father, I heard of Rick Flair woo from you.
20:27
Speaker 6: More is better. I always say, let's go whoo.
20:30
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's a good way to finish it, Bob.
20:32
Speaker 1: Great to chat, and we'll look forward to more reports
20:34
Speaker 1: and updates from you on socials and in USA today
20:37
Speaker 1: this week. I think it'll be continue. I think it'll
20:40
Speaker 1: continue to be active. Thanks vib good talking to.
20:42
Speaker 6: You all right.
20:43
Speaker 2: I've always guys, take care the.
20:45
Speaker 1: Top Braves podcast for the Atlanta fans out there, it's
20:50
Speaker 1: called Hammer Territory. It's part of the FT Network. It
20:53
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20:56
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21:00
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21:02
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21:05
Speaker 1: it instantly. On the deals, the trades, whatever alex Anthopolis
21:09
Speaker 1: is doing. Since we all find out together via press release,
21:11
Speaker 1: that's how it works with the Braves, Scott. So let's
21:15
Speaker 1: start here. Are Braves fans happy right now with the
21:19
Speaker 1: off season so far for Atlanta? Given that they usually
21:23
Speaker 1: like to do things early, there might not be much
21:26
Speaker 1: left for them to do the rest of the way.
21:30
Speaker 8: That's a great question, and I would say if you
21:32
Speaker 8: pulled one hundred Braves fans outside of Truesst Park, the
21:35
Speaker 8: answer for the most part would be yes. Now, there's
21:38
Speaker 8: probably fans who have expectations of every big free agent
21:41
Speaker 8: on the market coming to Atlanta, and I don't know
21:43
Speaker 8: how realistic that would be. But if you look at
21:46
Speaker 8: what the Braves have added on the whole, I really
21:48
Speaker 8: like the depth and quantity of editions that they've added
21:51
Speaker 8: so far. And maybe they have one or two more
21:53
Speaker 8: big moves in them.
21:58
Speaker 7: In what area.
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Speaker 4: What's the one or two big moves that because to me,
22:04
Speaker 4: the Kim signing when I saw yesterday, we talked about it.
22:09
Speaker 4: It was about solidifying something that they haven't been able
22:11
Speaker 4: to solidify since they've been to the World Series, and
22:13
Speaker 4: that's the defensive shortstop position. The big move comes in
22:18
Speaker 4: a trade because they're getting up close to that soft
22:22
Speaker 4: salary cap, or the big move comes in dumping some
22:26
Speaker 4: type of salary to then bring in a free agent.
22:30
Speaker 8: So for my money, the big thing that this front
22:33
Speaker 8: office needs to still do is add a starting pitcher
22:36
Speaker 8: to supplement Chris s Ale, Spencer Schwallenbach and Spencer Strider.
22:41
Speaker 8: And it's interesting that other than Dylan C's, the top
22:44
Speaker 8: of the starting pitching market hasn't really moved.
22:47
Speaker 7: A ton yet.
22:48
Speaker 8: I know Merril Kelly signed, I know Sunny Gray was traded,
22:52
Speaker 8: but the kind of the big four of Valdez, Suarez,
22:57
Speaker 8: King and Gallon are still out there and depending on
22:59
Speaker 8: how much twenty the Braves have to spend, and if
23:01
Speaker 8: they're willing to give up a late first round draft
23:04
Speaker 8: pick to sign one of those four, I could see
23:06
Speaker 8: one of them being a worthwhile addition to this team
23:09
Speaker 8: to really pour some fuel on this fire to try
23:11
Speaker 8: to get them back to the top of the NL East.
23:14
Speaker 8: This is a franchise since winning the World Series in
23:16
Speaker 8: twenty twenty one, that has won two playoff games, which
23:21
Speaker 8: is kind of hard to fathom. I think this roster
23:24
Speaker 8: is in pretty good shape now, but clearly adding a
23:26
Speaker 8: starting pitcher, maybe a little bit more to the bullpen
23:29
Speaker 8: would be really a big step in the right direction
23:31
Speaker 8: to getting this team as good as it can possibly
23:33
Speaker 8: be for spring training.
23:36
Speaker 5: Well, let me go along those lines with who they have,
23:39
Speaker 5: the acquisitions and the pickups. Are they back to being
23:43
Speaker 5: legit contenders in the East?
23:46
Speaker 8: I think so. And the reason I've liked to the
23:49
Speaker 8: moves of the offseason so far is it is really
23:52
Speaker 8: raising the floor of this roster because at the end
23:56
Speaker 8: of last year, as disappointing of a season as it was,
23:59
Speaker 8: the Braves just did not have enough depth and versatility
24:03
Speaker 8: on the roster to navigate one hundred and sixty two games,
24:06
Speaker 8: and of course they got crushed by injuries, but they
24:08
Speaker 8: also underperformed significantly. So I think assuming the Braves do
24:13
Speaker 8: add a starting pitcher, I think you can say that
24:16
Speaker 8: this roster is just as good as Phillies or New York.
24:19
Speaker 8: But at the end of the day, they one have
24:21
Speaker 8: to hope that the injuries balance out a little bit
24:24
Speaker 8: in their favor and they don't have their entire starting
24:26
Speaker 8: rotation on the sixty day IL as it was at
24:29
Speaker 8: one point last year, and also hope for healthier seasons.
24:33
Speaker 8: Get Akunya for one hundred and sixty two. Austin Riley
24:36
Speaker 8: has missed significant time the last two years with serious injuries.
24:40
Speaker 8: Ozzie Alby's has been banged up, Michael Harris has missed time.
24:44
Speaker 8: You have to hope that this team not only performs
24:46
Speaker 8: to the level that we've seen in the past, but
24:48
Speaker 8: also just doesn't get half the team on the injured list,
24:50
Speaker 8: because that's been the case the better part of the
24:52
Speaker 8: last two seasons.
24:55
Speaker 4: Two questions I have for it kind of interlock. How
24:59
Speaker 4: will Walt Weiss his promotion to be the manager because
25:03
Speaker 4: he was on the he's been on the bench, he's
25:05
Speaker 4: been around this team, they know him. How will this
25:09
Speaker 4: affect this position player group because this position player group
25:14
Speaker 4: you said, ah, they don't have that depth. Yes, there's injuries,
25:18
Speaker 4: but this team's built similarly to the Dodgers in the
25:22
Speaker 4: sense of position players. They want to play every day.
25:25
Speaker 4: All these guys want to play every day. And nobody's
25:27
Speaker 4: looking to say, oh, okay, yeah, we'll let acoon you
25:30
Speaker 4: take DHS. You know, because you're still have Sean Murphy,
25:34
Speaker 4: you still have Drake Baldwin. Uh, okay, you know, we'll
25:37
Speaker 4: let profar you know what. They're putting some pieces around him.
25:41
Speaker 4: But essentially, how's Walt Weiss going to put his fingerprint
25:44
Speaker 4: on this to mitigate injury? Nobody can eliminate injury, but
25:49
Speaker 4: mitigate it because all these guys want to play one
25:51
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty two.
25:53
Speaker 8: It will be fascinating to see. And that's something that
25:56
Speaker 8: Walt has talked about a few times now since getting
25:58
Speaker 8: the job. I think get the winter meetings, he said that, hey,
26:01
Speaker 8: we want our players to be out there every day,
26:03
Speaker 8: but there's going to come a point in time where
26:05
Speaker 8: we need to get someone off their feet for just
26:07
Speaker 8: one night or utilize the DH and in recent years. One,
26:11
Speaker 8: I don't know if the Braves necessarily had the bench
26:14
Speaker 8: to accommodate multiple days off for these players. And two,
26:18
Speaker 8: now that Marcelo Zuna has left, the organization probably won't
26:23
Speaker 8: be back. Ozuna was dhing virtually every single day of
26:26
Speaker 8: the season. Now they have an open DH spot, and
26:29
Speaker 8: I think Walt Weiss will use that to his advantage.
26:32
Speaker 8: He can rotate Acuna there, he can rotate Profar there,
26:35
Speaker 8: he can rotate mike Yastremsky one of their offseason editions there.
26:39
Speaker 8: And even if Austin Riley likes to go out through
26:41
Speaker 8: every single day, maybe they give Riley an afternoon off
26:44
Speaker 8: and keep them in the DH spot just to keep
26:46
Speaker 8: everybody fresh. I imagine that Weiss will be a little
26:49
Speaker 8: more open to rotating his players in and out of
26:52
Speaker 8: the lineup than Brian Sticker was the last handful of years.
26:57
Speaker 7: How's Mikey Strempsey going to be used? How is this?
27:00
Speaker 4: Because this is a signing of an older player who
27:04
Speaker 4: has shown when he gets consistent at bats, he's more productive.
27:08
Speaker 4: I feel like you don't sign it feels like the
27:11
Speaker 4: position in the fit doesn't match the contract. I feel
27:16
Speaker 4: like the contract matches the player that he is, but
27:18
Speaker 4: the fit on the team. How is this how is
27:21
Speaker 4: this contract going to be? You know, how is it
27:24
Speaker 4: going to parallel to his playing time?
27:27
Speaker 8: So it's funny you say that last night or two
27:30
Speaker 8: nights ago. Rather when Alex and Thopplss met with the
27:33
Speaker 8: media to talk about the Hussan Kim signing, somebody asked
27:36
Speaker 8: about Mike Yustremsky and that role, and in thoughtless pretty
27:39
Speaker 8: much came out and said that the idea is for
27:42
Speaker 8: against right handed pitching, for Yastremsky to play left field
27:46
Speaker 8: most days and have Jerks and Profar become the DH.
27:50
Speaker 8: I think Stromsky is probably a better glove at this
27:52
Speaker 8: point in his career compared to Profar, So you have
27:55
Speaker 8: Ustremsky and left field Profar at DH against lefties where
28:00
Speaker 8: Streemsky maybe wasn't quite as good the last couple of years.
28:03
Speaker 8: That's where I think the lineup change maybe will come
28:05
Speaker 8: into play a bit more. And Thoppelss suggested they would
28:08
Speaker 8: then have Profar play left field and then have one
28:11
Speaker 8: of a handful of guys DH. It could be Sean
28:13
Speaker 8: Murphy once he recovers from hip surgery. It could be
28:16
Speaker 8: Eli White, who's a speedy outfielder who can run into
28:19
Speaker 8: a home run ball. You could even have Mauricio Dubon,
28:22
Speaker 8: or if you want to play Dubon at second base
28:24
Speaker 8: and have Ozzie Alby's DH night or Hasan Kim DH
28:27
Speaker 8: for a night. I really think we're going to see
28:29
Speaker 8: a shift as evidence of both what we Weiss has
28:32
Speaker 8: said and what the Braves have done with their actions
28:34
Speaker 8: this offseason, that we are going to see more of
28:36
Speaker 8: a versatile lineup construction night in a night out, and
28:40
Speaker 8: hopefully that kind of gets the Braves away from these
28:43
Speaker 8: offensive woes they've had the past couple of years.
28:47
Speaker 5: Martin Maldonado is now a special assistant. Can you talk
28:50
Speaker 5: a little bit about what his role is going to
28:53
Speaker 5: be with the Braves moving forward? You know, really good
28:57
Speaker 5: baseball player back in the day, played again him a
29:00
Speaker 5: little bit to talk a little bit about, you know,
29:02
Speaker 5: what his job title is. You know there's been a
29:04
Speaker 5: lot of special assistance for teams, but do you see
29:06
Speaker 5: an expanded role or anything else.
29:09
Speaker 8: I thought it was a fascinating addition, and I think
29:12
Speaker 8: that was announced earlier today, So we'll see the next
29:15
Speaker 8: time Alexanthopolos meets with media and gets to talk about it.
29:18
Speaker 7: A little bit.
29:19
Speaker 8: But I mean, Maldonado has a wealth of baseball knowledge.
29:23
Speaker 8: I mean, there may not be five more guys in
29:24
Speaker 8: the game who have been through more than Maldonado. Of course,
29:27
Speaker 8: very smart behind the plate as a catcher, So I
29:30
Speaker 8: really like the addition. I love the idea of Drake Baldwin,
29:33
Speaker 8: as good as he was as the rookie of the
29:35
Speaker 8: Year this past season, getting to sit with Maldonado and
29:38
Speaker 8: learn from him, as well as Sean Murphy, who's a
29:41
Speaker 8: really when healthy. Murphy has been a really capable catcher
29:45
Speaker 8: and it's fantastic defensively. And we'll see what other areas
29:48
Speaker 8: Maldonado is going to extend himself to. But a worthwhile addition,
29:52
Speaker 8: I believe that Maldonado has talked publicly about wanting to
29:55
Speaker 8: get into either a front office role or a coaching
29:58
Speaker 8: or even manager role one day, and this felt like
30:00
Speaker 8: a natural progression for him, all right.
30:03
Speaker 4: At a re signing Ryce el Iglesias and then signing
30:08
Speaker 4: Robert Suarez to the bullpen Suarez, have the brains mentioned
30:11
Speaker 4: anything about Suarez being more more of the pitcher. They
30:15
Speaker 4: want him to be as an eighth inning guy like
30:18
Speaker 4: he was when the Padres had Hater and he had
30:22
Speaker 4: you know, he had that season in twenty I want
30:25
Speaker 4: to say twenty two, but I'm not one hundred percent
30:27
Speaker 4: sure which year that was. Do they see that or
30:29
Speaker 4: is it more of Ryce Eels here for a year,
30:32
Speaker 4: then Robert Suarez can move into the closer role. And
30:37
Speaker 4: along with that, is there a chance with the injuries
30:40
Speaker 4: from last year that Ronaldo Lopez is seen as maybe
30:44
Speaker 4: a seventh inning guy or is that just they're going
30:46
Speaker 4: to keep him starting pitching, ramp up and see where
30:50
Speaker 4: it goes from there.
30:52
Speaker 8: So I'm really curious to see how Walt Weiss is
30:54
Speaker 8: going to utilize Iglesias and Suarez, because presumably you could
30:59
Speaker 8: use either one and either the eighth or ninth innings,
31:02
Speaker 8: or if you're playing and you've got three really good
31:04
Speaker 8: ritis coming up in the seventh inning, I would imagine
31:07
Speaker 8: the Braves would utilize Suarez to then pitch the seventh
31:10
Speaker 8: inning and then you figure out the eighth and the ninth.
31:13
Speaker 8: That was a fascinating signing for me, I thought once
31:15
Speaker 8: they added Iglesias, even though when Thoplus had said the
31:18
Speaker 8: bullpen was a priority for them this offseason. I figured
31:22
Speaker 8: they would add a couple of veterans, but I really
31:24
Speaker 8: did not see the Braves going out and getting maybe
31:26
Speaker 8: two of the top five closers on the market. And
31:29
Speaker 8: not only that, but there was also a report the
31:32
Speaker 8: Braves had a five year deal out to Edwin Diaz
31:35
Speaker 8: before he ultimately signed with the Dodgers. So clearly the
31:39
Speaker 8: bullpen has been an area of focus. And that's a
31:42
Speaker 8: great question about Ronaldo Lopez. He of course was so
31:46
Speaker 8: effective in the bullpen a couple of years ago, comes
31:49
Speaker 8: to the Braves in twenty twenty four, was spectacular in
31:52
Speaker 8: the rotation. I personally when they added him, I was like, ah,
31:56
Speaker 8: maybe they'll try him in the spring and see if
31:58
Speaker 8: he can start. But he was terrific to Era and
32:01
Speaker 8: then last season, unfortunately, Lopez only made one start, hurt
32:05
Speaker 8: his shoulder and missed the remainder of the year. So
32:09
Speaker 8: it's fascinating to see what the Braves are ultimately going
32:12
Speaker 8: to do with Lopez. They could shift him into a
32:15
Speaker 8: bullpen roll, and then you think about having Suarez, Iglesias
32:19
Speaker 8: and Lopez as you're seven eight nine with Dylan Lee,
32:22
Speaker 8: who's a really good lefty mixed in there as well.
32:25
Speaker 8: That could be one of the best bullpens in the game.
32:27
Speaker 8: I think ultimately Lopez's future might be dictated by whether
32:32
Speaker 8: or not the Braves go out and add a starting
32:34
Speaker 8: pitcher in the next couple of weeks.
32:37
Speaker 1: Two things come to mind here. First off, was there
32:40
Speaker 1: any more to the story about why he ended up
32:44
Speaker 1: going to LA and not taking a five year offer.
32:47
Speaker 1: I'm assuming the five year offer was larger than the
32:50
Speaker 1: ALA offer. If it's five years, sixty five or whatever,
32:53
Speaker 1: I get it. But why would I mean, sure, he
32:56
Speaker 1: probably just wanted to go to LA or originally was
32:58
Speaker 1: entertaining the Mets. Did we get any more information about
33:01
Speaker 1: what happened there? He's been pretty vocal, as you've seen
33:03
Speaker 1: since he left the Mess to go to the Dodgers.
33:06
Speaker 1: But I don't know if anyone asked him that one yet.
33:09
Speaker 8: I don't know if Diaz has directly addressed it. It
33:11
Speaker 8: was an ESPN report who had the Braves had a
33:15
Speaker 8: five year offer out to DZ. I would assume the
33:17
Speaker 8: AAV was probably not the twenty three million dollars that
33:20
Speaker 8: he got from LA. And you know, if you look
33:22
Speaker 8: at Diz in his age. Maybe he was looking for
33:25
Speaker 8: somewhat of a shorter deal so then he can hit
33:27
Speaker 8: the market one more time for a bigger contract. But
33:30
Speaker 8: that was an eye raiser for sure. I know we
33:33
Speaker 8: talked about it on Hammer Territory on our Brave show.
33:35
Speaker 8: It was like, wow, they apparently it was just one report,
33:38
Speaker 8: but apparently we're very serious about adding Diaz. And that
33:41
Speaker 8: was after they had signed Iglesias and before they signed Suarez.
33:45
Speaker 8: So it feels like they went for DZ and then
33:47
Speaker 8: kind of struck out and then went for maybe the
33:49
Speaker 8: next best thing on the market and added Robert Suarez,
33:52
Speaker 8: who certainly has a long list on his baseball card
33:55
Speaker 8: as well.
33:56
Speaker 1: And then you know what came to mind, Scott. I
33:59
Speaker 1: listened to the show as frequently as possible. I remember
34:03
Speaker 1: the beginning of this season in twenty twenty five, this
34:06
Speaker 1: past year, and the conversations about the bullpen usage in
34:10
Speaker 1: the first week. And sure you can slice and dice
34:14
Speaker 1: and be critical of Brian Snicker, but the AMMO that
34:18
Speaker 1: he had at times was not the best. Who was it?
34:23
Speaker 1: Gosh with the difficult name to pronounce on the front end,
34:27
Speaker 1: The first name you'll know who I'm talking about. There
34:31
Speaker 1: was a lot of debate about how to use him,
34:32
Speaker 1: and I'm just like.
34:33
Speaker 8: An yelle, yeah, on yell. Delos Santos was out there.
34:36
Speaker 8: They had Rafael Montero, they picked up, they had I
34:40
Speaker 8: mean Scott to give you an idea of where this
34:42
Speaker 8: bullpen was, and no disrespect because this guy's had a
34:44
Speaker 8: hell of a career, but Hector Naris threw a one
34:47
Speaker 8: run ballgame on opening Day, on the seventh inning, and
34:51
Speaker 8: it went very poorly. I think you saw five batters,
34:53
Speaker 8: the Padres scored three runs, and he was out of
34:55
Speaker 8: the game. So that was kind of the state of
34:58
Speaker 8: this bullpen. It was just not good enough. And I
35:00
Speaker 8: mean early on in the season, especially Atlanta could just
35:04
Speaker 8: not win a close game.
35:06
Speaker 1: This is a big difference from our conversation right now. Sure,
35:10
Speaker 1: injuries can happen and things can change for guys, but damn,
35:13
Speaker 1: what you just described sounds a lot better than not
35:16
Speaker 1: mid season the first week of the season for Atlanta.
35:19
Speaker 1: I think that part's important, since the first week was
35:24
Speaker 1: kind of the end of the season. I don't want
35:26
Speaker 1: to go that harsh, but man, they dug up a hole.
35:29
Speaker 1: They never truly climbed out of it. They had their
35:31
Speaker 1: moments in the second half, but anyway, good stuff. That's
35:34
Speaker 1: why you got to listen to the show. They're dialed,
35:36
Speaker 1: so Scott good catching up man. Appreciate it.
35:39
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks, guys, really enjoyed the show, and happy holidays
35:42
Speaker 8: to you all.
35:42
Speaker 1: In your families. Hey, we didn't get to this yet,
35:50
Speaker 1: but I want to. I know you love that the
35:51
Speaker 1: little PB and Jay homemade from Todd Father. But let's
35:54
Speaker 1: start with our boy, Tyler Glass. Now we talked to
35:58
Speaker 1: pretty frequently on the show, popped up in some trade rumors.
36:01
Speaker 1: Tyler is a very straight shooter, as you can tell
36:03
Speaker 1: on interviews. I mean, he tells it like it is.
36:06
Speaker 1: That's why he's beloved. Sounds like he had a conversation
36:09
Speaker 1: with the Dodgers and had the result that he was
36:11
Speaker 1: looking for.
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Speaker 9: Seeing some rumors are I would get traded for him,
36:14
Speaker 9: So it's like, I don't know what to believe. I've
36:16
Speaker 9: talked to Andrew in my front office and they're like, no,
36:17
Speaker 9: you're not You're not going anywhere. So they told me
36:20
Speaker 9: I'm not going to get traded, and I trust them.
36:22
Speaker 9: So that's obviously a nice feeling. I think to anytime
36:24
Speaker 9: I do get like overwhelmed or stress at baseball, I
36:26
Speaker 9: think sometimes it's nice to just be able to like
36:28
Speaker 9: zoom out and be like, dude, what are you freaking
36:30
Speaker 9: out about? Like you're literally living your dream playing in
36:32
Speaker 9: Dodger stadiums.
36:35
Speaker 1: So Tyler Glass Now, and that was on MLB Network Radio,
36:38
Speaker 1: by the way, shout out to them for the interview.
36:40
Speaker 1: But what do we think of Glass now? Just letting
36:44
Speaker 1: everyone know I'm not being traded Todd Father. Things can happen,
36:49
Speaker 1: but I will say there are many organizations that will
36:55
Speaker 1: have a conversation like this and make sure that they
36:58
Speaker 1: create an out if there's a real conversation going on
37:03
Speaker 1: with other teams. Do you feel the same way. There's
37:06
Speaker 1: some organizations or gms that don't give a fuck, but
37:09
Speaker 1: there are many that say, hey, I'm respectful of a
37:12
Speaker 1: guy that I signed to an extension. He's very vocal
37:14
Speaker 1: in the media. If we feel like there's a little
37:17
Speaker 1: bit of smoke, we'll tell him, hey, dude, there is
37:19
Speaker 1: a chance, so you do with that what you want.
37:21
Speaker 1: I mean, he might tell everyone that, or he might
37:23
Speaker 1: not come out so strongly and say, hey, I'm not
37:25
Speaker 1: getting traded. All of this is to say, I believe
37:30
Speaker 1: Tyler getting the insight from the Dodgers that he is
37:33
Speaker 1: not on the trade block.
37:36
Speaker 5: I believe that too him and you're only My trust
37:39
Speaker 5: goes by your word. And you know, if somebody in
37:42
Speaker 5: the brass and the organization is going to tell me
37:44
Speaker 5: I'm not getting traded, I'm gonna take that and be
37:47
Speaker 5: happy with it, or said whatever that player wanted. But
37:52
Speaker 5: as a player, you have every right to ask and
37:56
Speaker 5: have a conversation with whomever you want in that organization.
37:59
Speaker 5: It's your livelihood and the business part on the other
38:02
Speaker 5: side too. You can be honest with him as of
38:04
Speaker 5: right now, you're not getting traded. But you know, you
38:07
Speaker 5: got to take the words and how they were played
38:09
Speaker 5: in context, and you got to go with your gut
38:11
Speaker 5: too as well. So to have a conversation with you know,
38:14
Speaker 5: the GM or president or whatever it is about your future,
38:18
Speaker 5: nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that, And nobody
38:20
Speaker 5: should take that as a good or bad thing. I mean,
38:23
Speaker 5: for me, it's a good thing knowing that you care
38:26
Speaker 5: and you you know, you want to know what's going on,
38:29
Speaker 5: especially a guy that's been playing for a long time.
38:31
Speaker 5: They have every single right to ask that question, and
38:33
Speaker 5: I thought it was fair.
38:36
Speaker 4: Gone of the days when I first got called up
38:39
Speaker 4: or even first drafted, and GMS would walk through or
38:42
Speaker 4: president of Baseball Operations would walk through the club ass
38:44
Speaker 4: and you go, I hope he doesn't.
38:46
Speaker 7: Talk to me. Did you see he just talked to Todd?
38:49
Speaker 7: What's happening like?
38:50
Speaker 4: Now they're more they're more accessible. Now they're willing to
38:54
Speaker 4: take a phone call. Obviously, it's a little bit different
38:57
Speaker 4: when you sign a guy to a four year, one
39:00
Speaker 4: hundred and fourteen I think million dollar, one hundred and
39:02
Speaker 4: fifteen million dollar extension. Let's put this way, the Dodgers
39:08
Speaker 4: can easily come Yeah, today, you're not getting traded. If
39:11
Speaker 4: somebody comes calling to the Dodgers and says, we would
39:15
Speaker 4: love to have Tyler Glass now for the last two
39:17
Speaker 4: years of his contract, even though he only made nineteen starts,
39:23
Speaker 4: and before that, the year before that he made twenty
39:27
Speaker 4: two starts. Year before that he made twenty one start.
39:30
Speaker 4: So if somebody comes and says, yes, we would like
39:33
Speaker 4: to trade for him, and it's the right package, I
39:36
Speaker 4: believe that Andrew Friedman or whoever he called, you know,
39:38
Speaker 4: wherever there's Gomes or Andrew Freeman, like they would call
39:42
Speaker 4: him and be like, hey, so and so came came
39:44
Speaker 4: asking about you. They have no right they have They
39:49
Speaker 4: have no reason that they can't that they would need
39:51
Speaker 4: to keep Glass now.
39:52
Speaker 7: They have an.
39:54
Speaker 4: Incredible amount of starting pitching, so if somebody comes asking
39:59
Speaker 4: for you can still be traded just because they said no,
40:02
Speaker 4: you're not being traded. That's the information they know today.
40:06
Speaker 4: Once all these free agent pitchers are gone, maybe somebody says,
40:09
Speaker 4: we'd love to have Tyler Glass now for twenty to
40:12
Speaker 4: twenty five starts, and I think the Dodgers would do
40:14
Speaker 4: something with us.
40:19
Speaker 6: I don't know.
40:20
Speaker 1: I think they want to roll with the same thing.
40:22
Speaker 1: I think Glass now is super valuable and most valuable
40:25
Speaker 1: to the Dodgers because they can handle him with enough
40:29
Speaker 1: care to make sure that he is prepared for the postseason.
40:32
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't done the year before, but they
40:35
Speaker 1: did a nice job on that this year. I mean,
40:37
Speaker 1: this is a guy who, you know, no secret, has
40:40
Speaker 1: struggled to stay on the field to give consistent innings.
40:43
Speaker 1: And you know what, Kratz, I think part of learning
40:46
Speaker 1: how to best utilize your assets is that they're not
40:49
Speaker 1: all the same. Tyler glasnow's not a two hundred inning pitcher.
40:52
Speaker 1: If you want him to be a two hundred inning pitcher,
40:54
Speaker 1: you're likely going to break the arm before you really
40:57
Speaker 1: need it.
40:58
Speaker 4: In October, if somebody comes asking for your pitcher, who
41:04
Speaker 4: is probably right now, you're number four in a playoff rotation.
41:10
Speaker 4: I'm just saying.
41:14
Speaker 1: Four pitches like a one, and you pitch him in.
41:17
Speaker 7: I'm not saying he doesn't.
41:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm telling you in the in the scope of
41:22
Speaker 4: Tyler Glass now on another team is untradable. They will
41:26
Speaker 4: not trade him because he needs to throw significant innings.
41:29
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying he's not gonna throw significant innings
41:32
Speaker 4: in the playoffs for your team. You just have to
41:35
Speaker 4: realize on the scale of value, he is number four.
41:40
Speaker 4: I think they have Blake Snell over him, obviously, Show
41:43
Speaker 4: Hayes over him, and Yamamoto, they all some of their parts.
41:48
Speaker 4: They all work together because Yamamoto can't throw. But once
41:52
Speaker 4: every six days show Hey, they're gonna they're gonna make
41:56
Speaker 4: sure he's probably on a six day rotation too, so
41:59
Speaker 4: they fit in very well together.
42:01
Speaker 7: I get that. But Tyler Glass now on.
42:05
Speaker 4: His own out in an island nobody trades him because
42:09
Speaker 4: of where he's at. If somebody comes and says, we
42:12
Speaker 4: really want what you have and are willing to meet
42:15
Speaker 4: the price prospects, you know, they don't care about cash.
42:18
Speaker 4: But I think he could be available because he is
42:21
Speaker 4: a valuable pitcher that will help a team win playoff games,
42:27
Speaker 4: because that, to me, that's where his superpower is. You
42:30
Speaker 4: bring that in in the playoffs and you're you're talking
42:32
Speaker 4: about ten punchies.
42:33
Speaker 7: In a five inning, five inning outing in the playoffs.
42:37
Speaker 1: Right, and then you have people bringing up the schoogle aspect. Oh,
42:41
Speaker 1: if they trade for him, then maybe he trade Classter
42:44
Speaker 1: or maybe Classner even goes back in a deal to Detroit.
42:47
Speaker 1: Here Schumacher one ninety. Why trade for Glass now? When
42:50
Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez is a free agent. Their numbers are very
42:52
Speaker 1: come pro Bowl just just like I said more and
42:58
Speaker 1: I guess they're a little bit similar on not being
43:03
Speaker 1: two hundred in guys, Rangers Farrez has had some injuries, crafts,
43:06
Speaker 1: you can speak well to him, you watch him a
43:07
Speaker 1: lot when he's pitching for Philly. But I mean some
43:13
Speaker 1: teams are gonna value Glass now higher, and some teams
43:17
Speaker 1: are gonna value Suarez higher, and they're also going to
43:19
Speaker 1: look at what the rate is. I don't know what
43:20
Speaker 1: Suarz is gonna end up getting. He's probably gonna get
43:22
Speaker 1: more than what Glass Now is oh the rest of.
43:24
Speaker 4: The way, overall the life of the contract.
43:29
Speaker 7: Yeah, but not AAV.
43:30
Speaker 4: He won't get as much as Glass now is getting.
43:33
Speaker 4: I think he's let's see twenty five twenty nine million,
43:38
Speaker 4: I think he's getting I'm not sure that math. That
43:41
Speaker 4: math doesn't math right now, but anyway, probably not AV.
43:45
Speaker 4: But why wouldn't you. It's exactly the same reason I said,
43:49
Speaker 4: Once these free agent pitchers are gone, teams are going
43:52
Speaker 4: to be like, wait a minute, I still do want
43:55
Speaker 4: to make the playoffs. And there's a very few of
43:57
Speaker 4: them that won't have made a move and that want
44:00
Speaker 4: to make the playoffs. But he has value and some
44:05
Speaker 4: teams might see that value there. I'm not saying like
44:07
Speaker 4: a team that tries to go after Ranger Suarez is
44:11
Speaker 4: going to look up and a ton of teams analytically
44:15
Speaker 4: look at don't look necessarily at what Ranger Suarez's production
44:19
Speaker 4: is and what Tyler Glassnow's production is. It's more of
44:23
Speaker 4: the stuff whoa We're enamored by the super shiny car.
44:29
Speaker 4: No matter what the actual speed of the car is,
44:32
Speaker 4: We're enamored by the super shiny car. The fact that
44:35
Speaker 4: Tyler Glass now could go out and dominate on any
44:39
Speaker 4: given night. And I think Ranger Squarz is a great
44:42
Speaker 4: option also. But once those guys are off the list,
44:45
Speaker 4: now we start thinking about, well, maybe we need we
44:47
Speaker 4: need one more guy? Like does it like do the Orioles?
44:50
Speaker 4: If the price was more palatable, would the Orioles want
44:54
Speaker 4: to trade for him? Will the Orioles want to add
44:56
Speaker 4: him to their rotation? Yes, if they think they're on
44:59
Speaker 4: the doorstep of winning playoff series and not just making
45:02
Speaker 4: playoff series, Yes, they would want to trade.
45:04
Speaker 1: For You want a shiny car, I'll give you one
45:09
Speaker 1: more for spreading rumors. John hamon tweeting about Mason Miller.
45:15
Speaker 1: Many teams, including the Mets, are inquiring on Mason Miller,
45:19
Speaker 1: one of the top few arms in MLB and the
45:22
Speaker 1: hardest thrower. The Padres will listen, but they love him
45:24
Speaker 1: as much as anyone and would need to be overwhelmed.
45:27
Speaker 1: Craft will start with you just because you were on
45:29
Speaker 1: with us yesterday and when we spoke to Ken Rosenthal
45:31
Speaker 1: about the Padres, and then Todd Father can piggyback off
45:35
Speaker 1: what you learned from Ken yesterday and combo that with
45:38
Speaker 1: John Hayman's word. I mean, it's really cute and nice
45:41
Speaker 1: to be interested in someone is their world. That creates
45:44
Speaker 1: this lane for the Padres to trade him. I mean,
45:48
Speaker 1: like any GM says, blow me away, right, if they
45:53
Speaker 1: get a better offer than what they gave away from
45:56
Speaker 1: Mason Miller last year, Plus it enables them to backfill
46:00
Speaker 1: some needs within their current ball club. Sure, but.
46:06
Speaker 10: I mean you could see it like you could see
46:08
Speaker 10: the mega package and make it hurt. The Padres did
46:11
Speaker 10: that last year, right, They gave up a prospect who
46:15
Speaker 10: could end up being the top prospect in the sport.
46:18
Speaker 10: You know within a year or so from now that
46:20
Speaker 10: the A's will get to enjoy.
46:21
Speaker 1: But I have a hard time seeing this as the
46:27
Speaker 1: move that they make. If they're going to do something,
46:30
Speaker 1: they're going to try and clear payroll. Mason Miller's not
46:33
Speaker 1: making that much money yet.
46:36
Speaker 4: And that's why, you know, unless you're saying, okay, the
46:38
Speaker 4: Mets will take on Xander Baulgart's and they throw in
46:42
Speaker 4: you know, they'll take all of Xander's contract and they
46:45
Speaker 4: throw in Mason Miller like that is like that's bizarro
46:49
Speaker 4: world to me. I just don't think. I don't see
46:52
Speaker 4: something like that. You know, we obviously know that Tatis
46:55
Speaker 4: is not available. We know that, or we think that
46:59
Speaker 4: Machado not available. So do the Mets say, Xander, you're
47:05
Speaker 4: gonna go play third base like you did when you
47:07
Speaker 4: were nineteen years old and help the Red Sox win
47:09
Speaker 4: a World Series?
47:10
Speaker 7: Or is it something that.
47:12
Speaker 4: Of course everybody wants Mason Miller. Everybody ever since he
47:15
Speaker 4: started throwing a billion miles an hour, everyone said.
47:18
Speaker 7: Ooh, you know you're really they're leaning towards Mason Miller.
47:21
Speaker 4: The Padres got him, The Padres paid a steep price
47:25
Speaker 4: for him, and they're not getting rid of him. It's
47:27
Speaker 4: why they didn't have to go and resign Robert Suarez.
47:31
Speaker 4: He's part of this still elite bullpen that they've constructed
47:36
Speaker 4: at a low price. Jeremiah Strata and Mason Miller are
47:40
Speaker 4: making nothing encloser and set up guy Dollars. Even if
47:45
Speaker 4: Major League Baseball has colluded. To me, it's Mason Miller,
47:50
Speaker 4: you know, stop just stop. Of course you're intrigued about him.
47:54
Speaker 4: He throws one hundred and four miles an hour, and
47:57
Speaker 4: there's rumors that he wants to or they could start. Yes,
48:00
Speaker 4: you want to see one hundred and four mile an
48:02
Speaker 4: hour starter, but stop. The Mets aren't getting the Mets,
48:05
Speaker 4: andres aren't getting rid of them unless you're taking on
48:08
Speaker 4: the contract that they deem the worst. And I'm saying
48:11
Speaker 4: they would deem the Xander Bogart's contract as the worst.
48:15
Speaker 7: But I still think he has value to that team.
48:17
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think a lot of people saw
48:19
Speaker 1: this coming Todd father from last year's trade deadline, that
48:24
Speaker 1: Mason Miller would be done. Maybe we were naive because
48:26
Speaker 1: it's the A's, but I don't think a lot of
48:28
Speaker 1: people saw him being traded.
48:31
Speaker 5: No, I mean, who would trade this guy. He's He's
48:33
Speaker 5: one of the best closers and relievers in baseball. It
48:35
Speaker 5: throws the hardest. Any team should be on his tail
48:39
Speaker 5: if there's an opportunity to put them on their squad.
48:42
Speaker 5: Get rid of all your prospects. And I said this
48:45
Speaker 5: about Garret Crochet. You know last year their prospects. Get
48:50
Speaker 5: rid of them for a guy like this, Yes, yes, yes,
48:53
Speaker 5: and more.
48:53
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, Leo debrees last or this past season at
49:01
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. I mean the prize. There were others too,
49:04
Speaker 1: but he was the prize package, prize part of the package.