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PHENOMENON: Why do Grown Women Pose as Teens, Attend High School? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease, a Texas mom thirty three
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  Speaker 1: years old.
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  Speaker 2: Nabbed pretending to be her thirteen year old daughter at
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  Speaker 2: middle school. Hold on, I'm just trying to imagine me
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  Speaker 2: dressing up like my teen daughter and passing myself off
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  Speaker 2: as a student at high school. Who does that? There's
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  Speaker 2: gotten to be a very deep seated reason which I
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  Speaker 2: don't quite understand yet. But guess what, this Texas mom
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  Speaker 2: Casey Garcia, She's not the only one. There's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of grown women pretending their teens and even tweens and
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  Speaker 2: actually going to school to high school, pretending to be
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  Speaker 2: a student for long periods of time and getting away
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 3: What do they get.
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  Speaker 2: A crush on a little twelve year old boy? Do
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  Speaker 2: they try out for cheerleading?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out what the attraction is.
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  Speaker 2: Is it like grown women that start affairs, well a
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  Speaker 2: statutory rape, to start sex relationships with boys? You know,
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  Speaker 2: you always hear about the teachers and the school psychologists
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  Speaker 2: and then this and then that in full on sex
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  Speaker 2: relationships with boys in school. Is it somehow related to
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, I'm just a trial lawyer. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a shrink.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave that to doctor Delatory. But I know this.
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  Speaker 2: This Texas mother pretends to be her teen girl at school,
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  Speaker 2: at middle school. And there's a whole slew of other
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  Speaker 2: mothers across the country that have done and.
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  Speaker 3: Are doing the same thing. That's freaky.
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  Speaker 2: Number one and number two, the last thing I want
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  Speaker 2: are my children fraternizing with a grown woman pretending she's eleven.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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  Speaker 2: and series XM one eleven. Let's start with miss Garcia.
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 5: Thirty year old Casey Garcia stands four feet eleven inches
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  Speaker 5: tall and one hundred and five pounds. She records herself
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  Speaker 5: as she changes her appearance to try and look like
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  Speaker 5: her thirteen year old daughter. She tans her skin, darkens
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  Speaker 5: her hair, puts on a yellow Marvel hoodie and glasses,
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  Speaker 5: then uses her daughter's school id and attempts to get
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  Speaker 5: into Anne M. Garcia Enrique's middle school.
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  Speaker 3: And she gets in, just like all these other mothers.
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  Speaker 3: She gets in now happily for me. She actually recorded
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  Speaker 3: her getting ready.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever had well, if you've got a teen girl,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times. If there's gonna be a dancer party,
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  Speaker 2: they all get together and get ready together.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a little get ready party.
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  Speaker 2: And I've looked in on my daughter's little parties and
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  Speaker 2: they're like combing their hair and they're getting ready, and
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  Speaker 2: they're all recording themselves. Why does the grown woman do this?
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  Speaker 2: I don't get it. But again, they certainly didn't teach
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  Speaker 2: me this in law school. But I want you to
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  Speaker 2: hear some of what this woman actually recorded and posted.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go with cuta Jackie.
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  Speaker 6: Can you see me wearing it?
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  Speaker 3: She's saying, you see what I'm wearing.
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  Speaker 2: I've got these weird shoes on. So she's putting on
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  Speaker 2: teenager style shoes, getting in character.
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  Speaker 3: Let's listen. So I look like.
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  Speaker 7: No, cool awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Cool awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I'm losing my mind, but she's actually
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  Speaker 2: talking like a teen Hey. First of you, Darryl Cole
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  Speaker 2: with me an all star panel, but a long time
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  Speaker 2: felony prosecutor out of inter City, Atlanta. Darryl Cohen, former
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  Speaker 2: state's attorney in Florida, now a defense attorney, and you
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  Speaker 2: can find him at Darryl B.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin on Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: Darryl, did you ever and all the years you prosecuted.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think back on all of my cases.
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  Speaker 2: I had plenty of statutory rape cases. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I ever had an adult female pretending to be a
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  Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen year old girl and actually going to
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  Speaker 2: high school.
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  Speaker 6: No, Nancy, no way, but I probably would have fallen
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  Speaker 6: over laughing, because unless she has a sidecard and great makeup,
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  Speaker 6: how does she do it? And how do the people
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  Speaker 6: around her not recognize the fact that she's not eleven, twelve, thirteen,
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  Speaker 6: but she's at least twenty five or thirty. I mean, really, well.
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  Speaker 2: What about the children, the other students. I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: woman is only for eleven, she's one hundred and five pounds.
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  Speaker 2: She wears a hoodie and glasses and make I mean
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  Speaker 2: you hear her talking about I'm putting on weird shoes
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  Speaker 2: because she's wearing shoes that a tween would wear. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to hear cut See listen. This is more
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  Speaker 2: of her recording herself.
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  Speaker 7: Hello, fining yourself.
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  Speaker 2: She's actually speaking to the school principle. Can I hear
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  Speaker 2: that one again?
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  Speaker 3: Jackie?
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  Speaker 7: Please, Hello fining yourself?
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  Speaker 2: Can you hear her making her voice higher with me.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory, renowned psychologist and mediator specializing in forensic psychology.
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  Speaker 2: You can find him at doctor John Delatory also at
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  Speaker 2: resolution fcs dot com Doctor Delatory. I've never seen anything
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  Speaker 2: like it.
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen the criminally insane. I've seen people pretending to
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  Speaker 2: be criminally insane. I've seen defendants who have actually pulled
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  Speaker 2: their own eyeballs out because they are insane and they
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  Speaker 2: think the.
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  Speaker 3: Eye is bad.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen defendants rub their own feces all over the walls. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I've seen it all. I haven't seen this a grown
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  Speaker 2: woman who seems perfectly normal, functioning, acting.
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  Speaker 3: Like a regular mom. I've never seen one completely transform
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  Speaker 3: so she can go to high school.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's be clear about something. This is clearly attention
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  Speaker 4: seeking behavior. I think this is a product of perhaps
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  Speaker 4: some social media aspect that she wants for her life.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, could you a a slow down, Darryl and I
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  Speaker 2: are just lawyers.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so I got so far. All I got was
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  Speaker 3: attention seeking activity. Okay, what did you say after that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, attention seeking behavior, and I think this is a
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  Speaker 4: product of her wanting to have a social media presence.
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  Speaker 4: She's getting a thrill. If we go back to the
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  Speaker 4: clip between her and the principal, not only is her
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  Speaker 4: voice higher, but it also sounds like she's enjoying whatever
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  Speaker 4: it is that she's doing. She enjoys putting on this hoodie,
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  Speaker 4: she enjoys putting on these shoes. She is enjoying what
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  Speaker 4: she is doing, and the deception that she is playing
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  Speaker 4: on all of these people that are around her, not
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  Speaker 4: just the students, but the teacher's especially.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm smiling and you can't see me, doctor Delatory,
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  Speaker 2: because Jackie's just sent me another picture of this woman.
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  Speaker 2: Hey did you send this really quickly? To Darryl co
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  Speaker 2: and to everybody on the panel. You were saying, like,
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  Speaker 2: why doesn't anybody know she's a grown woman. Well, if
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  Speaker 2: you look at the picture, she's got her hair pulled back,
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  Speaker 2: she's wearing big glasses, she's wearing a face mask, like
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  Speaker 2: a COVID face mask over her nose and mouth. So
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  Speaker 2: she's doing she's using every trick in the book to
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  Speaker 2: disguise her identity. Now, attention seeking behavior, you can say
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  Speaker 2: that again, a product of wanting social media presence and
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  Speaker 2: hate jack I know I've asked for it.
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  Speaker 3: Twice. But can I hear cut Sea again.
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  Speaker 2: Because I like the it's almost like a fierce beauler,
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  Speaker 2: like checking the principal thing. She's going, uh oh, why
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  Speaker 2: is the grown woman afraid to meet the principal? Here
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  Speaker 2: she's pretending to be afraid of the principal.
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  Speaker 7: Listen, Hello, finding yourself.
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  Speaker 2: And listen, She's pretending she's afraid of the school principal.
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  Speaker 2: She's raising her voice several octaves. Now listen to her
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  Speaker 2: fake fear and cut d.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to get so caught.
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  Speaker 5: I'm actually really scared.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Kaitlin Becker is joining me. I've been saving you.
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  Speaker 2: Kaitlin Becker, Senior Investigator, reporter, Dailymail dot Com.
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  Speaker 3: Caitlin, I mean she's getting into the mindset. She's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm so afraid the principal was gonna catch.
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  Speaker 2: Me and do what you're a thirty three year old
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  Speaker 2: woman puts you in time out, puts you into tention,
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  Speaker 2: make you have lunch duty.
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  Speaker 3: But who is this woman.
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  Speaker 8: You know on Nanty. She is a mom in Texas.
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  Speaker 8: Her daughter Julie was thirteen years old, and that is
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  Speaker 8: who she was pretending to be, specifically her own daughter,
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  Speaker 8: not just any old student, and she wanted to see
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  Speaker 8: if she could get through this entire school day without
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  Speaker 8: being caught. And like you said, she kind of used
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  Speaker 8: every trick in the book, wearing her daughter's clothing, kind
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  Speaker 8: of mimicking her voice and trying to get through the
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  Speaker 8: school day. But she did eat lunch in the cafeteria
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  Speaker 8: without her mask on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Caitlin, I see her recording herself eating what appears
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  Speaker 2: to be a chicken finger.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, why this woman and so many.
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  Speaker 2: Other women across the country are dressed sing up and
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  Speaker 2: pretending to be students as early as Twain, such as
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  Speaker 2: eleven and twelve. She doesn't just dress up as a Twain,
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  Speaker 2: she actually fakes documents.
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  Speaker 3: Take a listen.
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  Speaker 5: Casey Garcia, disguised as her own thirteen year old daughter,
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  Speaker 5: nervously tells the camera she's sure to get busted. Before
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  Speaker 5: she gets inside the school. Disguised as her daughter, she
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  Speaker 5: signs into the school using her daughter's name and school
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  Speaker 5: ID number. Nothing happens, so she keeps moving forward. During
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  Speaker 5: one of her classes, a teacher calls her by her
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  Speaker 5: daughter's name. Julie Garcia makes it all the way through
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  Speaker 5: the morning classes and goes to lunch where she takes
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  Speaker 5: more photos.
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  Speaker 3: She's not the only one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if this name rings a bell to you,
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  Speaker 2: but Marta Alvarado does the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Take a listen our ten.
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  Speaker 5: Forty six year old Marta Eliza Serrano Alvarado enrolls her
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  Speaker 5: seventeen year old daughter in Hanville High School, about thirty
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  Speaker 5: miles outside of New Orleans. She shows all the appropriate
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  Speaker 5: paperwork and seventeen year old Martha Jasinia Gutierrez Serrano is
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  Speaker 5: off to class. But when officials from the Saint Charles
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  Speaker 5: Parish Public Schools District receives a tip that a female
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  Speaker 5: student who claims to be seventeen is actually an adult
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  Speaker 5: in her mid twenties, they launch an internal investigation and
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  Speaker 5: notify the Sheriff's office that they suspect missus Gutierra Serrano
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  Speaker 5: is lying about her age. Search warrants are issued and
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  Speaker 5: detectives find it fake passport at birth certificates belonging to
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  Speaker 5: the younger woman. Marta elizeze Serrano Alvarado is forty six,
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  Speaker 5: but her seventeen year old daughter is actually twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Back to you, Daryl Cohen, the falsification, for instance, driver's licenses,
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  Speaker 2: birth certificates.
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  Speaker 3: That's a crime.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, we're talking forgery, and we're talking stupidity. All the
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  Speaker 6: ease are part of this. It's absolutely a crime. But still, Nancy,
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  Speaker 6: I've looked at those picks and she does not look
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  Speaker 6: in my view as if she was thirteen or fourteen
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  Speaker 6: or twelve. She looks like an adult.
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  Speaker 3: Did I ask you that? No?
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  Speaker 6: You did.
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  Speaker 2: No, I did not ask you that. I'm not asking
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  Speaker 2: did she do a good job? I'm asking why did
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  Speaker 2: grown women across our country pretend to be teens and
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  Speaker 2: go so far as to fake documents, dress up and
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of get ups, and go to school, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: for extended periods of times weeks, months, pretending to be
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  Speaker 2: a child. Okay, let me give you another example. Riley Madison.
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  Speaker 3: Take a listen.
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  Speaker 5: Riley Madison told administrators at Cairo Durham High School that
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  Speaker 5: she was a fifteen year old homeless girl and that
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  Speaker 5: she didn't have documentation they might need homeless children in
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  Speaker 5: you cannot be denied education. The school is required to
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  Speaker 5: immediately enroll Riley Madison in classes. When she enrolled, Riley
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  Speaker 5: Madison intends school the next day, the investigation determines Riley
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  Speaker 5: Madison is actually Michael Ann Goodrich, at thirty two year
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  Speaker 5: old with a high school diploma. Goodrich is arrested in
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  Speaker 5: charge with offering a false instrument, for filing, falsifying business records,
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  Speaker 5: and criminal trespassing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I've got to get to the why, and I
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  Speaker 2: think you'll agree with me, Daryl Cohen, that motive is
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  Speaker 2: not an element of any crime.
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  Speaker 3: The state never has to prove motive.
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  Speaker 2: Although sometimes juris want to know why did this happen
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  Speaker 2: or they can't make sense of a crime unless they
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  Speaker 2: know the motive.
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  Speaker 3: The state doesn't have to prove motive ever.
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  Speaker 6: Ever, you're absolutely one thousand percent correct. The fact that
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  Speaker 6: a person commits the crime is all that's necessary. Committing
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  Speaker 6: the necessary elements of breaking the law or laws. That's it,
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  Speaker 6: one and done.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I want to circle now to Elisa Mula, AMD physical
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  Speaker 2: security strategist. She is a child school safety and security
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  Speaker 2: expert and advocate. Alisa, thank you so much for being
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  Speaker 2: with us. This could actually pose serious safety problems. It's
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  Speaker 2: not just some soccer mob deciding she wants to relive
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  Speaker 2: high school. What if a relationship a sex relationship is
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  Speaker 2: started with a teen girl or a teen boy by.
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  Speaker 9: This mob, It absolutely does pose a huge problem. You know,
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  Speaker 9: the schools often rely on the technology and they're used
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  Speaker 9: to their everyday interactions with the students, but this really
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  Speaker 9: demonstrates the lack of training in policy and procedure and
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  Speaker 9: protocol for training for students, faculty staff. How is it
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  Speaker 9: that this woman made it through lunch without anyone recognizing
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  Speaker 9: or alerting authorities that this is not one who they
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  Speaker 9: see on a regular basis. So it's great that they
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  Speaker 9: caught her at some point, but if it were to
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  Speaker 9: go any longer, You're absolutely right, there could have been
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  Speaker 9: some sort of interaction or assault in a bathroom. We
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  Speaker 9: see this on a regular basis. This actually just happened
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  Speaker 9: in California, where a man encountered two eight year old
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  Speaker 9: girls in a bathroom at an elementary school. This happens
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  Speaker 9: all across the country on a daily basis, maybe not daily,
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  Speaker 9: but on a regular basis, and this is a perfect
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  Speaker 9: example of that too.
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  Speaker 2: Mary Golden, a former Senior inspector US Marshall Service owner
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  Speaker 2: Golden Consulting and Investigations. Mary, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, my mind leaps to the next step. In
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  Speaker 2: the world where I live, people often have nefarious motives.
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  Speaker 2: Why would an adult pretend to be a little girl
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  Speaker 2: or a boy and in fuel trade a middle school
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  Speaker 2: or a high school?
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  Speaker 3: No good reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I heard doctor Delatore say, it's extreme attention seeking
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  Speaker 2: behavior and the product of any one case anyway wanting
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  Speaker 2: a social media presence. But of course my mind leaps
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  Speaker 2: to the criminal motivation. Do they want to stalk other children?
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  Speaker 2: Do they want a sex relationship? Why are they there?
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  Speaker 2: And not only that, it brings to mind other security breaches,
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  Speaker 2: and I think immediately about the park Land shooting massacre,
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  Speaker 2: where Nicholas Cruz had been a student at the school.
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  Speaker 2: They knew not to let him in, all the security guards,
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  Speaker 2: all the security posts, the teachers, the administrators, they knew
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  Speaker 2: he could not come back ever, specifically with a backpack.
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  Speaker 3: And of course what happens.
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  Speaker 2: He comes back with a backpack, and he shoots at
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  Speaker 2: the school and takes multiple children down, murdering them.
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  Speaker 3: How did he get in? How did that happen? And
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  Speaker 3: how are these moms?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they may be in it for some weird
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  Speaker 2: sex gratification or attention seeking ploy but.
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  Speaker 3: How are they getting in.
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  Speaker 10: Well, she obviously got in with the normal flow of students.
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  Speaker 10: I mean she was charged with criminal trespass because it's
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  Speaker 10: not the fact that she just walked on the property
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  Speaker 10: and said, look, I'd beat your security when all the
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  Speaker 10: gates were closed, doors were locked. You know, criminal trespass
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  Speaker 10: in Texas goes far beyond that is when you violate
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  Speaker 10: the boundaries that you're there for a period of time,
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  Speaker 10: and she was there for hours and hours, So I mean,
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  Speaker 10: she wasn't worried about school security, or she would have
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  Speaker 10: walked in beat you know, she defeated security, and then
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  Speaker 10: she could would have went to the officer said look
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  Speaker 10: I just walked into your school, you know, unattested. Nobody
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  Speaker 10: stopped me, this, that and the other. And she claims
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  Speaker 10: it's for school safety. There's too many shootings. Look, there
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  Speaker 10: hasn't been a shooting in El Paso since twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 10: That was the Walmart shooting where twenty people were killed.
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  Speaker 10: There hasn't been you know, that's the old There hasn't
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  Speaker 10: been a school shooting in the past fifteen years at
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  Speaker 10: an elementary, middle school, or high school in El Paso.
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  Speaker 10: So how is that her hear reasoning for doing it.
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  Speaker 10: That was just an excuse she made up because it's
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  Speaker 10: something that she had to make up because that's the
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  Speaker 10: big buzz of the day school security school shootings. She
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  Speaker 10: had to use that hoping that they would buy into it.
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  Speaker 10: And guess what they did.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to figure something out, not in
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  Speaker 2: deleatory and hey, Alisa, mula with me. EMD Physical Security
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  Speaker 2: Strategy is specializing in child and school safety and security. Alisa,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna circle right back to you. But tider Delatory again,
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  Speaker 2: I need a shrink, doctor Delatory.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have any children?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, then you've lived through high school with them. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just guessing you. Have they gotten to that age yet?
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  Speaker 4: Living through currently?
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  Speaker 3: Okay with you? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Have you gone to any school activities like games or
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  Speaker 2: pep rallies or events? Okay, let's just talk about a
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  Speaker 2: football game. Have you seen those moms that are a
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  Speaker 2: little too into it?
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  Speaker 10: Of course?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Look I'm into it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm into it because my twins are there somewhere wandering around.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you Lord for life three sixty.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm into it because they're into it, and it's
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  Speaker 2: not just the game it's just not the technique. It's
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: not just who wins. It's because their friends are there
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and they're having hot dogs and they're walking around. You know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: they're having a good time, and I want to be
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: near them, But they're as moms. There's just a little
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: two into it. What is that, doctor dellatory. It's like
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: they are in high school themselves.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: I think that's part of it. I think that there
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: is a desire, particularly when you're experiencing a tremendous amount
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: of stress for whatever reason, financial stress, relationship stress. There's
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: a wanting to return to a time when things were
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: a lot easier, You were a lot happier. Things seem
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: to make more sense in a way right that you
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: feel you felt more love right, and that could easily right,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: as you've been describing, that can easily be perverted into
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: wildly inappropriate behaviors, criminal behaviors. It can be corrupted that way.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: But I think you have to initially convince yourself that
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: the life that you're currently living isn't as good as
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: you once had had it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Oh Reliving the Glory three Days.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: To you, Caitlin Becker, Senior investigative reporter with dailymail dot Com. We're,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: of course, I've got a slew of other cases, Kaitlyn,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go through. But Caitlin, the glory days.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: You know, have you ever met those people that are
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: still talking about when they scored the touchdown, or they
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: were a cheerleader, or they were played whatever, they're still
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: talking about it. I mean, when my husband brings up
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: that he plays football, Caitlin, are.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: You married yet?
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: I am?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I hope your husband doesn't try to relive his glory
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: days from high school.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: He does not say goodness.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Well, you know so.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I never the whole time I dated David, I never
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: heard him do that. Now that he has the children,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: he sometimetimes wanders off into reliving his high school I'm like.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Stop right there, these are your glory days right here.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: This is it. This is your glory. Me and the
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: twins get used to it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: Nancy, you couldn't pay me to go back to high school.
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: You could not pay me to go back to high school.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: And I liked exactly, I mean I was.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I liked high school too. I was fine.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: But what is it with these grown I mean, I
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: usually hear men do it talk about, Oh, I dated
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: this one in high school. I played football in high school,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: like whatever in high school and they're reminiscing.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: But I don't hear women do it that much.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So what can you tell me about Casey Garcia? Why
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: would she want to relive her high school You know.
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: I don't feel like Casey Garcia was trying to relive
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: her school experience, and this was middle school, another place
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: you couldn't pay me to go. It almost seems like
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: she was trying to get attention as an adult now
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: versus trying to relive what she did there. And in
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: subsequent videos that she posted on social media and on YouTube,
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: she would talk about how now her integrity is being
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: called into question, which of course, and that she wasn't
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: trying to ruffle feathers, which is so antithetical to what
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: she originally said. Her purpose was was to expose black
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: school security. So either you're trying to expose something or
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: not ruffle feathers. So she didn't really seem to know
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: or be able to articulate why she really did this.
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: And I think the fact that she's four foot eleven
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: helped her case.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you believe this is more about an adult stunt.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely getting attention.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: As Della Torri earlier said, attention saking as an adult
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: than reliving or recapturing her youth. O hey, listen to
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: a similar scenario with a woman named Charity Johnson.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: Charity Johnson enrolls in the tenth grade at a New
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Life Christian school in Longview, Texas. Her story is sad
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: but familiar in this part of Texas. She was abandoned
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: as a baby. She didn't have any school records because
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: she's homeschooled while she was in foster care. The tiny
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: private Christian school has run out of a church and
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: they took her in. She's a good student, five feet tall.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: She dresses young for her age with Hello Kitty and
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Mini mouse stuff. She is well liked. Though then one
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: day she has arrested for giving false information to a
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: police officer, and her mugshot brings about the truth of
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: the con Johnson is actually thirty four years old. Osa
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Marie Obiseki exposed her after her arrest, but said Johnson
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: is not a con artist for money, She's a con
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: artist for love.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm trying to just take that all in.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So everything about her as a child currently is a lie.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: She gives that lie to.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: A tiny Christian school and they buy into it, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: they let her in, including her falling for her skim
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: including dressing in Hello Kitty and Minnie Mouse. So to
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Caitlin Becker, joining US Senior vest edit Reporter, Daily mail
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: dot com, how did Casey Garcia dress in order to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: pull off her stunt?
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: She quite literally wore her daughter Julie's clothes. She actually
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: wore a dirty kind of stained hoodie that had marble
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: characters on it that belonged to her daughter. She completely
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: mimicked her entire personality. I think you could hear she
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: sort of changed her voice. She wore these glasses, She
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: kept her hood up a lot and kind of looked
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: a little sort of disheveled the way of the thirteen
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: year old might look when they brushed off to school.
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: And she pulled it off really well.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I want to circle back to Michaelan Goodrich in our
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: cut eleven, because this woman really plotted. Even becoming familiar
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: with the homeless student statutes listen.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Riley Madison told administrators at Cairo Durham High School that
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: she was a fifteen year old homeless girl, and that
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: she didn't have documentation they might need. Homeless children in
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: youth cannot be denied education. The school is required to
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: immediately enroll Riley Madison in classes. When she enrolled, Riley
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Madison intends school the next day. The investigation determines Riley
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Madison is actually Michael Ann Goodrich, a thirty two year
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: old with a high school diploma. Goodrich is arrested in
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: charged with offering a false instrument, for filing, falsifying business records,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: and criminal trespassing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: So in the Riley Madison teen girl aka Michael Ann Goodrich,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: thirty two year old woman Darryl Cohen, she familiarized herself
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: with the homeless statutes that state if a child is
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: homeless and presents to a school, they have to take
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the child in with no documentation, background, know anything.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Rather than to potentially denying a.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Child in education, this woman went so far as to
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: research all of.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: That to get into school.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: It is beyond belief, Nancy, this is completely different. She
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: has obviously she has mental problems, but that's not the point.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: The point is that she researched it, she knew what
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: she was doing. She is a danger to the kids.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Around her, and as such, she needs to be stopped,
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: and anyone else like this needs to be stopped. There's
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: no excuse for this. And frankly, when I was in
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: high school, I couldn't wait to get out. That's me right.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I thought you were a star athlete and you know
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: your nickname, your Monica cool Breeze. I thought that originated
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: in the ninth grade.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: No, no, not quite.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, we're telling you about a very odd phenomenon.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And the more we investigated, the more we found out
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: about it, and the more we found out that it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: fairly prevalent. This is not one obscure example. Take listen
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: our cut.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Fourteen and meete thirty two year old Shelby HEWITTT.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Shelby Hewitt is a thirty two year old social worker
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: who has an active counselor's license until twenty twenty five.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: But she's also Daniella, a high school student at the
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Jeremiah E. Burke High School and at the same time
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: high school student attending Brighton High School. But she asks
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: students at English High School to call her Elie Alessandra Blake.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Administrators at the English High School in Boston spot several
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: inaccuracies in her paperwork and begin to investigate. According to
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: court documents, she uses forged documents to enroll in the district,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: including fake Department of Children and Families documents. Shelby Hewitt
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: has been charged with identity fraud and forgery. She also
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: is charged with two counts of uttering false or forged records,
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: deeds or other writings, meaning she used forged documents to
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: enroll in the district. She faces up to ten years
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: in prison if convicted.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Back to doctor Della Torrey, have you noticed these women
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: make up fake names like Danielle Law or Riley.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: They're picking names.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I guess they think names that are compatible with being
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: a teen girl again or even a twain.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because you can't use you can't use your name,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: but you can't use your name because you need to
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: protect your own sort of self ego. Right, So you
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: know you're doing something wrong, but if you use someone
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: else's name, there's a barrier, Right, there's a gap in
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: between the guilt and shame that you would expect to
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: be feeling because you know that you're lying by using
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: someone else's name. It's no longer you, it's this character
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: that's persona, this mask that you get to wear and
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: to live out whatever these attention seeking behaviors you want
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: to live out are.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: We have presented fairly mild, more innocuous examples of adults
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: pretending to be teens in twins to get access actually
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: attending high school and middle school as a child. However,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: there are many, many other cases that have a more
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: nefarious bent.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Take a list at our Cup thirteen.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: James Wilson is a seventeen year old boy who meets
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: a fifteen year old West Virginia girl online. They have
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: a real connection. They meet in person twice, once at
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: a Pennsylvania hotel with her mother and two other friends.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: They meet a second time at the girl's home. James
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: gives his girlfriend's cell phones and pays the bills. The
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: girl uses the phones to take nude photos and send
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: to James. Police get involved when a friend of the
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: fifteen year old confronts James, telling him she doesn't believe
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: he is what he pretends to be, and James threatens
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: to kill her. She contacts the National Center for Missing
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: and Exploited Children and an investigation begins. Turns out James Wilson,
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: seventeen year old boy is really twenty four year old female,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Carissa hads Has is arrested and charged with traveling across
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: state lines for the purpose of coerce or enticing a minor.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Now this is an adult female pretending to be a
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: teen boy.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: It takes a horrible and criminal turn.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: So that is where my mind goes when I find
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: out that a thirty three year old woman is going
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to high school pretending to be a child. Now here's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a more Let me just say innocent example if.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: There is such a thing. Take a listen. Now we're
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: cut nine.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Twenty eight year old Audrey Franciscini dresses up like a
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: high school student, carries a skateboard and a painting to
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: blend in with students at American Senior High School in
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Miami Dade County, Florida. Once on campus, Franciscini records herself
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: handing out flyers promoting her Instagram page. A student said
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Franciscini was recording weird stuff and said she had a
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: devil's mask. She uses the Devil's mask on her social media.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Franciscini manages to escape school security, but that night, detectives
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: tracker at her North Miami Beach home. She posts a
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: video to her Instagram talking about the police outside her
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: home to arrest her. Francescini is facing a felony charge
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: of burglary of an occupied dwelling and two misdemeanor charges
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: of interference with an educational institution and resisting an officer
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: without violence.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, as well as they can end that one ended well,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: but take a listen hour cut Bank.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: DeAndre Banks is a twenty five year old man, but
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: on Facebook, he pretends to be a teen girl. Posing
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: as the girl, Banks is able to get attention from
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: a seventeen year old boy. As the teen girl, Banks
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: lures the boy to a house in Saint Petersburg, Florida.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: When the boy shows up, Banks threatens him with a weapon,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: then assaults the teen a fifteen year old boys Bank's
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: next victim. This time, he lures the victim to a
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: vacant house, but the boy is too strong and fast
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: and he escapes unharmed and goes to police. DeAndrea Banks
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: faces two counts of kidnapping one count of sexual battery
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: with a deadly weapon.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, that type of behavior came
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: to the front during the Delphi double murder case. Where
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: teens Abbey and Liberty Libby were lured off of a
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: trustle bridge and murdered, according to police, by a local
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: pharmacy tech. But during that investigation, a suspect appeared, Keegan Clyde,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: who had been impersonating a teen He had been impersonating
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: actually stealing photos from a police slash model officer Vincent Kolkowski.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Now what kik and Klin was doing was using offscer
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Kowalski's image that Kowalski had put out there where he
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: looks like a really tough teen boy, kind of a
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Justin Bieber lookalike, trying to lure young girls. So online
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: he looked like a teen and he was getting the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: teen girls, not necessarily Abby and Libby to send nude photos,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: to send topless photos. So that was his nefarious motive,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and he ended up being implicated suspected in a double murder. So,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: doctor Delatri, it seems that men have much more nefarious
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: motivations for pretending to be a team.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: It could certainly come across that way. I don't know
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: that there's a real distinction between why men do this
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: kind of behavior and why women don't do this kind
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: of behavior.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: Because I do think.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Women do do this kind of thing, and they do
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: trick young boys and young girls into community these kinds
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: of acts. I think we see this more often in
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: men because we expect to see it more often than men.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: We expect to see them doing things inappropriately and trying
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: to subvert the law. Well, I mean, we don't tend
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: to focus on that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think my expectations of men behaving badly
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: affects other women I've never met and they're pretending to
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: be teens.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: That's the one time I've disagreed with you.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think our expectations have anything to do with
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: other people's criminal acts. Maybe we find out about it
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: more when it's men. But here's another woman that does
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: In our cut.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Fifteen, Hijuang Shin is sixteen years old. She enrolls at
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: New Brunswick High School and seems to be really excited
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: about the high school experience. A student at the school
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: says Sen asks some girls to hang out at Commercial
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Avenue with her, but they never show. Shin starts acting
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: weird with the girls, and one of the girls says,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: it's scary. It only takes a week before everyone starts
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: to find out this sen is not a sixteen year
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: old high school student. She's a twenty nine year old
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: divorced college graduate who's been sued by her landlord for
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: twenty thousand dollars in unpaid rent. Lawyers for Haijang Shin
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: say she's longed for the sense of safety she felled
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: as a teenager at the Massachusetts boarding school. The deception
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: leads to a grandeury indictment and third degree of fences
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: for false documents and hindering her own prosecution.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Doctor tell a Tory, that's exactly what you said, that
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: some adults yearn for that feeling of safety they had
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: in middle school.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is probably because they're not getting the needs
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: that they have currently in their current lives. They're not
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: being satisfied. They're not being satisfied because maybe they're not
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: able to communicate what their needs are. Maybe they don't
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: actually know what their needs are. They're trying to they're
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: trying to supplement what's going on in their lives and
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: it's failing, and so then they were turned back to
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: a time that they're nostalgic for. Right, they're nostalgic for
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: those feelings when things seem to be easier, rather than
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: dealing with the stuff that they need to deal with
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: now because it's too hard. And so living a life
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: like that, where you can get easy attention, you get
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: easy love, right, because that's what children do. They give
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: love easily, and they want attention easily, and so the
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: person finds ways of tricking other people into giving that freedom.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen, I don't really care what their needs are.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: There is something inherently wrong with trying to turn the
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: clock of time backwards and pretending you're eleven, twelve or
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: thirteen and actually pulling it off and attending school. There's
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: just something very wrong with that. I mean, there's the
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: obvious falsification of records, but I don't want youth eleven twelve, thirteen,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: fourteen children fraternizing with a grown person male or female,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: pretending to be a tween.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: Oh. Absolutely, Nancy, that is about as wrong as it
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: can be. Because you don't know what the ramifications are.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: We can extrapolate it, and they're not good. Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, as you spin it out, it just gets
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: worse and worse.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Daryl. Of course, we're speaking from a point of view
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: where all we know about our felonies. When we get
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: these situations, it's already gone too far. Somebody has been molested,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: they've been raped, kidnapped, as in the other examples we gave,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: and Alisa Mula joining us EMD physical security strategist. Another
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: thing that worries to me about this last case where
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: the woman was actually a twenty nine year old divorce
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: college grad.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Who wants to have hangouts with the other teen girls.
• 38:34
  Speaker 10: Ill.
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean again, it's a great demonstration of just
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: a total disrespect for law and order and general breakdown
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: of morality, quite frankly, or disconnection with reality. And you
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: gave a lot of great examples, Nancy, of some seemingly innocent,
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: unauthorized activity all the way up to the Parkland shooting,
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: which was disastrous, And I watched that site. There's nothing worse,
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: in my opinion than the park One example. So you
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  Speaker 9: can see there are many steps along the way from
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  Speaker 9: something that seems seemingly innocent is something that turns tragic.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, when you're saying, Alisimila that it's morally wrong, I
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  Speaker 2: am not the church lady. I don't try to police
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  Speaker 2: other people's morality.
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  Speaker 3: But when it comes to a crime.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on it like a cheap suit and an adult
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  Speaker 2: pretending or impersonating a child at school asking for after
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  Speaker 2: school hangouts to exchange pictures online. In my world, that's
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  Speaker 2: about to go bad. Berry Golden, very bad, ye.
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  Speaker 10: Bephe. In the case of Casey Garcia, I mean, she's
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  Speaker 10: thirty two years old and she's trying to infiltrate a
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  Speaker 10: middle school, saying hey, look how young. I look. What's
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  Speaker 10: she going to do when a season or fifties she
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  Speaker 10: can try to infiltrate a high school? I mean you,
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  Speaker 10: and she's lucky she got off with just probation.
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  Speaker 2: Now, according to Herbary Golden, her whole effort was to
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  Speaker 2: test school security.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: The judge fell for that, and she did get probation,
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  Speaker 2: community service, and a fine. The judge also ordered her
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  Speaker 2: to undergo a mental health evaluation and better Truer words
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  Speaker 2: were never spoken. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,