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Grisly videos on lost SD card reveal brutal murder of naked woman in Marriott hotel · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Today on Crime Stories We had to Anchorage, Alaska, a
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Speaker 1: discovery of a woman's body on the sign of the
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Speaker 1: road now being tied to as small as D card
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Speaker 1: found twenty miles away in Anchorage on a street corner
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Speaker 1: with the label homicide at Midtown Marriott, joining Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: Kendra Closter, the executive director Native People's Action nonprofit. Darryl Cohen,
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Speaker 1: former assistant DA Fulton County, Georgia, now famed defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: James shell Nutt twenty seven years Atlanta Metro major case
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Speaker 1: detective and SWAT officer, Retired doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Erie County, New York. Doctor Carlo Manley, clinical
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Speaker 1: psychologist and author of Aging Joyfully and Joy From Fear,
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Speaker 1: and reporting for heavy dot Com. Jennifer is Zikowski Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace on a remote stretch of Alaska Highway.
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Speaker 1: The discovery of a woman's body on the side of
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Speaker 1: the road now being tied to as small as D
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Speaker 1: card found twenty miles away in Anchorage on a street
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Speaker 1: corner with a label homicide at Midtown Marriott. Police say
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Speaker 1: the card was found by a woman who opened the
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Speaker 1: files recognized the carpet from a nearby Marriott and sold
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Speaker 1: thirty nine images and twelve videos showing a horrifying beating
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Speaker 1: and strangulation of a woman by a man with a
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Speaker 1: foreign accent. That's pretty graphic. But what we do believe
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Speaker 1: is that the suspect recorded himself the events that took
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Speaker 1: place in the hotel room. Can you imagine finding this
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Speaker 1: like a SIM card and you look at it and
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Speaker 1: find images of someone being murdered? I may see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. You were just hearing our friend
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Speaker 1: at NBC. That was Scottie Schwartz talking a woman's body
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Speaker 1: depicted on something like a simcard. Jodey May Kendra Cluster,
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Speaker 1: executive director of Native People's Action nonprofit who works on
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Speaker 1: the issue of missing and murdered women. Daryl Cohen, renown
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Speaker 1: defense attorney out of Atlanta. James Shelnutt twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Metro major case swat officer now lawyer. Doctor Katherine
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Speaker 1: Maloney Nickel, City Forensic's Deputy Chief medical Examiner in Buffalo
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Speaker 1: and reporter with Heavy dot Com. Jennifer Zagowski, What in
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Speaker 1: the hey happened? Jennifer? Okay, So, this woman a concerned
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Speaker 1: citizen for thirtieth. According to a news release, just after
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Speaker 1: four pm, I'm September thirtieth and police responded to Lake
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Speaker 1: Otis Parkway in the Fairview neighborhood of Anchorage in reference
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Speaker 1: to quote suspicious circumstances. This woman called officials to report
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Speaker 1: finding a horrifying FD cart in the street near near
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Speaker 1: a grocery store. Imagine just shopping along and you're at
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Speaker 1: the grocery store and you see this card, this SD card,
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Speaker 1: leaning on the street. Some people might just walk by
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Speaker 1: and ignore it. She didn't. She picked it up. Hold
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Speaker 1: on just a moment. Jennifer Zakowski explain what is an
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Speaker 1: SD card? So, an FD card is what you can
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Speaker 1: in what can be in your phone. Um, that's typically
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Speaker 1: how they are used. And SD card is it saves
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Speaker 1: everything from from photos and videos and then you can
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Speaker 1: plug that FD card into a regular computer in order
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Speaker 1: to see the context of it. Wow. So this woman
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Speaker 1: minding her own business, Jennifer Sagowski with heavy dot com spots.
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Speaker 1: So what many people call a simed card an SD card?
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Speaker 1: Where was she shopping? And I don't know that I
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Speaker 1: would think to go plug the card in and look
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Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, and that's what's so crazy about this,
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Speaker 1: And the only reason I believe that that she did
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Speaker 1: is because of the absolutely chilling words that this SD
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Speaker 1: card contained. Inscribed right on the SD card were the
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Speaker 1: words homicide at MIDTOWNE Myriad inscribed on it. Okay, well, whoa,
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Speaker 1: whoa wait right there right there? Yeah, to Daryl Cohen,
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Speaker 1: I would totally totally look at that. If it said
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Speaker 1: homicide on it, then all of a sudden by curiosity
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Speaker 1: is piqued. I've got to know what's in there before
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Speaker 1: that it's just an SD card. But Marriott's not getting
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Speaker 1: the type of publicity and their new bond boy wants
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Speaker 1: them to do. This is crazy. How did you even
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Speaker 1: notice an SD card on the ground? Why would you bother?
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Speaker 1: And once you did, then your curiosity is got to
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Speaker 1: be satisfied. Got to be so Jennifer Zikowski when she
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Speaker 1: takes the same card to the police or when they
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Speaker 1: come get it, what do they find on it? They
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Speaker 1: found after inspecting it the SD card, they discovered thirty
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Speaker 1: nine photographs and twelve videos showing the gruesome murder of
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Speaker 1: a young joining me is Kindra Closter, executive director, Native
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Speaker 1: People's Action nonprofit focusing on missing and murdered Indigenous women
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Speaker 1: and girls. Kendra, thank you so much for being with us. Why, Kendra,
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Speaker 1: would someone photograph or video themselves in the act of
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Speaker 1: a brutal murder? Well, that's that's definitely a hard question answer.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why someone would want to do that
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Speaker 1: or even target our women. But you know, some of
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Speaker 1: the things that we need to think about here is
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Speaker 1: how do people really view our indigenous cultures and when
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Speaker 1: we're looking back from the Tamine, colonialism started and they
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Speaker 1: invaded and came in and took over Indigenous people in
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Speaker 1: our land. They what they did is they looked at
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Speaker 1: everything is being extracted our land, our water, and that
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Speaker 1: included our bodies. And we need to be doing more
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Speaker 1: to be protecting our Indigenous women. Joining me now is
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Speaker 1: Carla Manley, clinical psychologist, author of Joy from Fear. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at doctor Carla Manley dot com. I
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Speaker 1: don't understand, doctor Manley, why someone would film themselves committing
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Speaker 1: a brutal murder. It's interesting that in some cases you
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Speaker 1: find that the perpetrator would prefer to be known on
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Speaker 1: a level of infamy rather than going to his death
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Speaker 1: or incarceration. Being completely unknown, and that sort of psychopathology,
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Speaker 1: the intense self absorption and desire for some sort of
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Speaker 1: same is what drives someone like that. Wow, I didn't
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Speaker 1: think about it that way. Interesting though, he did not
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Speaker 1: send the some card into the newspaper or the TV channels.
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Speaker 1: It was found, Jennifer Tzikowski. How was it found? Well,
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Speaker 1: it was found by the concern citizen, the woman who
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Speaker 1: apparently was at the Girl True store, and authorities aren't sure.
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Speaker 1: It isn't known if the st card was purposely left
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Speaker 1: on the street. Did he want to gain notoriety through
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Speaker 1: this or did he just drop it by mistake? With
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Speaker 1: it containing those words homicide at Midtown Marriot kind of
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Speaker 1: makes me think of the ladder that maybe it was
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Speaker 1: intentionally put there. Maybe he did, you know, have this
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Speaker 1: this dream of it being discovered, and perhaps he didn't
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Speaker 1: think he'd be hot so quickly. Well, Jennifer Sakowski, was
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Speaker 1: it found on the street? Is that what you're saying?
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Speaker 1: Just the sim card? Right? Absolutely? Yes, that is correct. Okay.
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Speaker 1: James shell Nutt, I want to match a major case now, lawyer.
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Speaker 1: That sounds more to me like it dropped out by accident,
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Speaker 1: because if he wanted it to be found. I think
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Speaker 1: you would have sent it to police if he wanted
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Speaker 1: the infamy. Yeah, no, I agree one hundred percent. I
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Speaker 1: don't quite buy that he intentionally placed it there. There
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Speaker 1: are a lot of other places where he could get
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Speaker 1: a lot more at tension, certainly sending it to police.
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Speaker 1: He could send it to media outlets. In law enforcement,
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Speaker 1: that card being found is what you refer to as
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Speaker 1: catching of breaking a case. And I will tell you
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Speaker 1: that when I look at this case, this is not
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Speaker 1: the normal homicide. This is one of those that raises
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Speaker 1: the hair on the back of your neck as a detective,
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Speaker 1: because you think this is not what a person does
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Speaker 1: who is only committed to homicide one time. This is
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Speaker 1: what a person does who is cataloging a homicide. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you don't go from zero to one twenty mph overnight.
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Speaker 1: Now tell me why you think this may not be
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Speaker 1: his first victim. Well, you know, if you take a
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Speaker 1: look at this as compared to the run of the
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Speaker 1: meal homicide, and granted they are all different, but usually
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Speaker 1: when a person commits a homicide and are not someone
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Speaker 1: who enjoys doing it, not someone who's doing it for
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Speaker 1: the purpose of being a serial killer. These people want
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Speaker 1: their crimes hidden. They go to extent to hide bodies,
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Speaker 1: to hide evidence. The last thing they want is to
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Speaker 1: have this this crime document on video or photographic evidence.
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Speaker 1: In this case, this guy actually recorded it, recorded on video,
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Speaker 1: took pictures of it, put it on SD card, and
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Speaker 1: how about then he labels it. Why would you need
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Speaker 1: to label the SD card as the Marryott homicide? Has
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Speaker 1: there been a homicide somewhere else? Why does this card
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Speaker 1: need to be labeled. I would submit to you that
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Speaker 1: it's very likely because he's placing it in a collection
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Speaker 1: of other SD cards of other homicides that he may
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Speaker 1: have committed. Okay, you just you just verbalized what's been
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Speaker 1: on my mind. I mean, typically you don't take photos
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Speaker 1: and videos of your crime, right, but then to have
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Speaker 1: to say it's the Marryott homicide not the other one,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, you you were jumping in. Go ahead, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I am wondering if there's not an underground website where
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Speaker 1: these are sold, where people pay extreme amounts of money
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Speaker 1: to be able to watch these types of homicides, there's
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Speaker 1: something here that tells me, I agree that this is
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Speaker 1: not number one. We don't know if it's number fifty
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Speaker 1: or number two, But it seems to me that there's
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Speaker 1: a reason why it's labeled, and there's a reason why
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Speaker 1: he wants to do it because I think it's being sold.
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Speaker 1: I think people are actually viewing this sort of thing
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Speaker 1: and paying and paying well crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: The story is just one example of why it is
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Speaker 1: so important to know who your kids are talking to. Online.
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Speaker 1: Authorities say thirty two year old and Tommy Lee Jenkins
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Speaker 1: walked for five days thinking he was going to have
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Speaker 1: sex with a young girl and Nino, Wisconsin. Now investigators
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Speaker 1: say Jenkins recently moved to Whitestown, Indiana, that's just outside Indianapolis.
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Speaker 1: He met a deputy posing as a fourteen year old
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Speaker 1: girl named Kylie from Wisconsin on a social media platform
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Speaker 1: on October first, and began demanding sexually charged pictures from her.
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Speaker 1: But when Kylie refused to come to Indiana multiple times,
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Speaker 1: Jenkins allegedly started walking three hundred and fifty one miles
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Speaker 1: to Nina. There's an epidemic of child exploitation in our country.
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Speaker 1: The use of the Internet and social media allows for
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Speaker 1: communications to happen between adults and miners across state lines.
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Speaker 1: Even authorities in Winnebago County say Jenkins used to live
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Speaker 1: in Oshkosh and has a history of issues involving child abuse.
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Speaker 1: Jenkins now faces federal charges, and deputies again are urging
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Speaker 1: parents to know who their kids are talking to online.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back on Metzy Gracius's crime Stories. That was wtm
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Speaker 1: J Malwaukee reporter Mary Joe Olah with me Sheriff John
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Speaker 1: Motts from Winnebago County Captain David Mack, Internet Crimes against
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Speaker 1: Children Task Force Alicia because Kevich Abductions survivor doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: and Levi Page. Captain Dave Mack. When I hear this,
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Speaker 1: it gets me so distraught. A few days ago, my
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Speaker 1: son was crestfallen. He goes mom. They closed down a
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Speaker 1: Fortnight because he and his little friends don't worry. I'm
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Speaker 1: hanging over his shoulder the whole time. I know exactly
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Speaker 1: who he's playing with. They love to play. I let
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Speaker 1: him have thirty minutes in the evenings. They play fortnight,
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Speaker 1: and they all taught. I don't know how they do it.
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Speaker 1: You can hear each other's voices, you can kind of
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Speaker 1: see each other and they play this game. Fortnight closed down.
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Speaker 1: In my heart, I was rejoicing, but I had to
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Speaker 1: ask Sad about Fortnite being gone. Then sadly I found
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Speaker 1: out it was a stunt. It's back, Captain Dave Mack.
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Speaker 1: How depurvs Predators get to our children well, the not
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Speaker 1: unlike if they're speaking with our children and physically a
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Speaker 1: face to face. Predators will groom our children over the
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Speaker 1: over the internet the same way they do when they
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Speaker 1: have access to them in the public. They'll talk with them,
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Speaker 1: tell them things that they want to hear, and start
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Speaker 1: establishing that relationship. So it's very important for us as
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Speaker 1: parents to know what they're doing and can create and
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Speaker 1: maintain open lines of communication with our kids and prepare
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Speaker 1: our kids for the online world. Let them know that
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Speaker 1: what the dangers are out there and talk to them
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Speaker 1: both stuff keeping, maintain that positive relationship with your children. Apparently,
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Speaker 1: according to statistics, Indiana has doubled the rate of child
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Speaker 1: abuse than the national average. According to a federal agency,
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Speaker 1: why is that a man who recently moved to Wystown,
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Speaker 1: Indiana facing federal criminal charges after he walks literally hundreds
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Speaker 1: of miles to Wisconsin to have sex relations with a
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Speaker 1: little fourteen year old girl he believed named Kylie. And
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Speaker 1: right now, to Alicia Kazakevich abductions survivor, Alicia explained, are
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Speaker 1: our listeners what happened to you as a little girl? Well,
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Speaker 1: when I was thirteen years old, I was groomed and
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Speaker 1: large from my home by an internet predator who kidnapped
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Speaker 1: me and held me captive in his basement dungeon, where
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Speaker 1: I was raped and beaten and tortured, but thankfully was
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Speaker 1: miraculously rescued by law enforcement. And I am so lucky
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Speaker 1: to be here, and I'm so glad that this fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl was actually law enforcement because it could
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Speaker 1: have so easily have been a real life child. And
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Speaker 1: the thing is that there is a real life child
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Speaker 1: right now who is being groomed. And this case is
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Speaker 1: just it's so disturbing in that it's really important to
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Speaker 1: know that predators take risks. Predators take their time grooming,
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Speaker 1: and they also take risks. And their goal was to
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Speaker 1: get the intended victim to also take risks. And in
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Speaker 1: this case, he was so excited that he walked three
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Speaker 1: fifty one miles and he was so excited and quite
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Speaker 1: possibly having something close to a manic episode. It almost
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Speaker 1: seems to go that far with it, and the fact
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Speaker 1: that he had been arrested before for a crime against children.
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Speaker 1: We need to start taking these cases seriously, really seriously.
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Speaker 1: When there's an old saying, when someone says or when
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Speaker 1: someone shows you who they are, believe them. And we
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Speaker 1: really need to start doing that. This person showed himself
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Speaker 1: as a predator, and he is still a predator, and
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Speaker 1: he would continue to offend. Thankfully, law enforcement caught him.
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Speaker 1: And that's why it is so important to fund law
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Speaker 1: enforcement to make sure that they have the funding and
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Speaker 1: the resources. In Wisconsin exactly and Wisconsin, Alicia's Law has
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Speaker 1: passed and they've done amazing work with it. And what
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Speaker 1: Alicia's Law, my Namesake does is it funds but law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: It's funds the eye tacks so that they can do
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Speaker 1: this investigative work and so that they can save children.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about how children are snared online
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Speaker 1: on the internet, just like in Alicia's case, the child
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Speaker 1: thinks they're speaking to another child and actuality they're speaking
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Speaker 1: to an adult. How does it work to captain Dave's
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Speaker 1: Matt Well, you brought up Fortnite. There's other other applications
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Speaker 1: that people will pulls as alternate identities on and they
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Speaker 1: have access to your children. Then musically is one of them.
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Speaker 1: There's other applications where our kids are out there, they're
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Speaker 1: sharing videos of themselves, or they're chatting with people, and
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Speaker 1: they really don't know who they're talking to. Again, that's
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Speaker 1: why it's so important as parents that we know about
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Speaker 1: the applications that be familiar with the applications your kids
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Speaker 1: have on their phones, their iPhones, because let's face it,
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Speaker 1: iPhones are just small computers. So when you an iPhone,
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Speaker 1: they have access to everybody in the world, literally everybody
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Speaker 1: in the world. And that's why I think we see
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Speaker 1: an uptick in in this type of a crime because
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Speaker 1: we've created the accessibility to so many different areas with
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Speaker 1: so many different people. This is one isolated instance. Listen
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Speaker 1: to this lawrence reveal the level of abuse a Charlatan
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Speaker 1: endured while being held captive in Georgia for more than
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Speaker 1: a year. The documents day that Michael Weislovsky can find
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Speaker 1: Haley Burns in an upstairs bedroom of his Duluth home,
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Speaker 1: telling her that she would be arrested if she left
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Speaker 1: Weiselovsky reportedly controlled every aspect of his seventeen rold captive's life,
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Speaker 1: keeping a food journal detailing how many calories she'd eaten
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Speaker 1: each day, and withholding food from Haley if he thought
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Speaker 1: she'd eaten too many calories the day before. Doctors at
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Hospital who examined Haley after she was rescued,
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Speaker 1: determined she was suffering from malnutrition. According to Lawrence, Her
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Speaker 1: parents told Channel nine she lost fifteen to twenty pounds.
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Speaker 1: Haley Burns disappeared from her Valentine home in May twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 1: This past weekend, the FBI responded to a tip and
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Speaker 1: tracked her to a home in Georgia. Michael Wizulovski is
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Speaker 1: in jail under no bond on a number of state charges. Now,
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Speaker 1: believe it or not, this little girl met the predator
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Speaker 1: that kidnapped her, raped her, abused, or held her captive
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Speaker 1: in a Facebook chat room about eating disorders. She didn't
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Speaker 1: want to eat, she had issues with food. She was
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Speaker 1: in a chat room and meets this guy posing as
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Speaker 1: another person with an eating disorder as a young girl.
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Speaker 1: And to top it all off, they were talking on
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Speaker 1: her school chrome book on her school computer listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Koski will serve ten years on probation, and also gave
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Speaker 1: him credit eight months for time served in confinement while
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Speaker 1: he was in jail. Accord her testimony from Hailey Burns
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Speaker 1: and her parents, a second, I left my home, my
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Speaker 1: life as the North Carolina teen says she met him
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Speaker 1: online and disappeared from her parents home in Charlotte in
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. She told the court she was held captive
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Speaker 1: in his Duluth home for an entire year. He lowered
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Speaker 1: myself esteemed greatly and led me to believe I would
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Speaker 1: never be loved or have a proper life if I
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Speaker 1: gained any fate. Burne says Bokowsky tortured her and made
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Speaker 1: her do sexual things for food. I severely mutilated myself
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Speaker 1: home and I would become unlovable so no one would
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Speaker 1: hurt me again. As why Silowski did I am permanently disfiguring.
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Speaker 1: Her father, Tony Burns, told the judge every time he
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Speaker 1: would hear of a dead body, he feared it was hisay, Haley,
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Speaker 1: you are the boogeyman that a parents teach their kids
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Speaker 1: to be scared of. Haley's mom added that Bokowski doesn't
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Speaker 1: seem sorry for his actions. You are not a monster
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Speaker 1: because she were a pitiful man who remember and that
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Speaker 1: actions have consequences. Now, after the hearing, I spoke with
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor. He told me Haley's family they're satisfied with
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Speaker 1: the outcome today in court, but they really really would
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Speaker 1: have preferred to see the defendant behind bars. You were
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Speaker 1: hearing from Lauren posn at Action to News Atlanta and
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Speaker 1: al SLATOSSOCTV. You know, these offenders get a slap on
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Speaker 1: the wrist and then get right back out Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Another amazing fact to me to doctor
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Speaker 1: Carla Manley, clinical psychologist at doctor Carla Manley dot com,
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Speaker 1: is that this guy, Brian Stephen Smith's wife says quote
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Speaker 1: he was a good husband and defends him from being
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Speaker 1: a murderer. Her name, Stephanie Bissland, was visiting family was
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Speaker 1: she was approached by two police detectives. She says she's
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Speaker 1: shocked that her husband is charged in the murder of
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Speaker 1: a thirty year old woman in a midtown hotel. She
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Speaker 1: says she couldn't believe what they were saying because he
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Speaker 1: was a quote good husband, that there was never a
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Speaker 1: hint of the violent man described by police. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of that? What I make of it is
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Speaker 1: that when you have a person who has in this
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Speaker 1: case what you would think would be in a social
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Speaker 1: personality disorder, which definitely would have strong narcissistic tendencies, that
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Speaker 1: kind of person can have two personalities, three personalities, one
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Speaker 1: at home, one out in the world. Often you'll find
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Speaker 1: it reversed, somebody being very kind into the outside world
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Speaker 1: and very demonic at home. In this case, you have
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Speaker 1: a man who is able to put on a beautifully
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Speaker 1: mimicked portrayal the normal person in the home world. Then
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Speaker 1: he turns to this other side of his personality, and
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Speaker 1: that's where the psychopathic parts of his personality are come
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Speaker 1: to fruition. Daryl Cohen reminds me so much of Dennis
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Speaker 1: Writer BTK bind torture kill, who had a wife, children,
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Speaker 1: was a dog catcher, and he was actually a prolific
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Speaker 1: serial killer who had to come. I think he was
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Speaker 1: even a deacons some Baptist church. It is Nancy, you
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Speaker 1: and I both know, all of us know that there
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Speaker 1: are people that lead dual and triple lives. You have
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Speaker 1: one life that you show to the world you have
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Speaker 1: another life for yourself, and this guy obviously had another
22:39
Speaker 1: life and he was doing it, I guess because he
22:43
Speaker 1: wanted to be the star of his own show, and
22:46
Speaker 1: he wanted to make sure that he was the star.
22:50
Speaker 1: And I think he probably left this SD card intentionally,
22:54
Speaker 1: and I think we'll find that there's more. I really
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Speaker 1: do I add something regarding the jump in. Okay, So
23:03
Speaker 1: going back to Mine Hunter, the series on Netflix, that's
23:08
Speaker 1: absolutely addicting. I love that show. That's exactly what also
23:12
Speaker 1: came to my mind that the BTK killer, he seemed
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Speaker 1: so normal. He was portrayed as you know, this church
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Speaker 1: going guy. You look at Facebook photos from Stephanie Disland's
23:25
Speaker 1: the wife of the suspect. Do you look at her
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Speaker 1: Facebook and she really appears to the beat. They appear
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Speaker 1: to be a very in love, happy putball. You know.
23:37
Speaker 1: She called him a quote good husband and said she
23:41
Speaker 1: had never seen any signs of violent behavior in the past.
23:47
Speaker 1: They were married for five years, which is long enough.
23:50
Speaker 1: You would think that if there were any violent tendencies
23:54
Speaker 1: you would see them. He was obviously masking them. Take
23:57
Speaker 1: listen to our friends. A sure time ago we told
24:01
Speaker 1: you that police have named thirty year old Kathleen Jay
24:04
Speaker 1: Henry As the woman found dad along the Seward Highway.
24:08
Speaker 1: Now Police confirmed to us a short time ago she
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Speaker 1: is Alaska Native, and one local group is trying to
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Speaker 1: bring more attention to murdered and missing Alaska Native women.
24:17
Speaker 1: Kendra Closter as the executive director of Native People's Action.
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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to this? I mean, here we go again,
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Speaker 1: another murdered Alaska Native woman. It's really tough. This is
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Speaker 1: We're just really tired of hearing all of the violence
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Speaker 1: that's going on against Indigenous women. It's heartbreaking, it's traumatic
24:38
Speaker 1: for our communities, and this is why this is one
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Speaker 1: of the top issues for us. Or we can highlight
24:46
Speaker 1: the topic and start talking about it and figuring out
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Speaker 1: what we can do to increase public safety all across Alaska.
24:53
Speaker 1: We don't have solid numbers on missing a murdered Indigenous women.
24:57
Speaker 1: That was the voice of Kindra class Stories, active director
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Speaker 1: Native People's Action nonprofit. Who is with us now? Kindra Closter?
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Speaker 1: Why are there not statistics on missing and murdered Indigenous women.
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Speaker 1: There's a number of different reasons that have been going
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Speaker 1: into this and trying to find out why we don't
25:18
Speaker 1: have that data, and that's a number of different reasons
25:23
Speaker 1: of misclassification of data. Law enforcement has data that is missing.
25:32
Speaker 1: There's been a report that was put out by the
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Speaker 1: Urban Indian Health Institute that was released just in early
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Speaker 1: this year where the National Crime Information Center reports in
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen there was five thousand and seven hundred and
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Speaker 1: twelve reports of missing American, Indian and a Native Alaska
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Speaker 1: Native women and girls. However, the Department of Justice only
25:56
Speaker 1: logged one hundred and sixteen of those cases. No one
26:01
Speaker 1: is there failing this gap. Why do you believe that
26:05
Speaker 1: is so that the DOJ has different statistics than what
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Speaker 1: you believe are true. Why there's not a coordination of data.
26:13
Speaker 1: There is not a coordination between federal, state, tribal entities.
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Speaker 1: There really needs to be efforts put into this where
26:22
Speaker 1: we can start coordinating the data so we can really
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Speaker 1: understand how big this issue is. Just this one report
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Speaker 1: has put Alaska in the top number of cases for
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Speaker 1: missing and murdered Indigenous women. And this was just a
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Speaker 1: report by a nonprofit. We don't know the extent of
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Speaker 1: the problem, but we know it's work. I have no
26:42
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. Kinder Closter that this guy, Brian
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Speaker 1: Stephen Smith for many reasons. I do not believe this
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Speaker 1: is his first murder. And you say there are multiple
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Speaker 1: murderers of Indigenous women, and I assume you're referring to
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Speaker 1: Alaskan women. I wonder if he can be connected to them.
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Speaker 1: What do you think? This is a nationwide problem? And
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Speaker 1: this is not just an Alaska issue, although we are one,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately making in the top ten of where missing murder
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Speaker 1: Indigenous women are happening here in Alaska. Where are the others?
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Speaker 1: When you say it's a national problem, where else other
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Speaker 1: than Alaska? Do you see this as a problem, the
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Speaker 1: murder of Indigenous women. It's a nationwide problem. It's happening
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Speaker 1: all It's happening all over. This report looked at seventy
27:32
Speaker 1: one different cities because a large population of our Indigenous
27:37
Speaker 1: people are in the urban centers. However that has not
27:39
Speaker 1: even been looked at. And the data collected Seattle was
27:44
Speaker 1: very high as well. This report that came out, which
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Speaker 1: I highly suggest people look at, it's just scratching the surface.
27:50
Speaker 1: I would like to look at it. What is the
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Speaker 1: name of the report? The Urban Indian Health Institute out
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Speaker 1: of Seattle had put it out and they have put
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Speaker 1: out a couple of different reports and they're working on
28:00
Speaker 1: an Alaska specific one as well, where they identified five
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Speaker 1: hundred and six unique cases of missing a murdered American
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Speaker 1: Indian Alaska Native women across seventy one different cities. And
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Speaker 1: in there they talked about the data that really is
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Speaker 1: just missing and that has they even found cases where
28:21
Speaker 1: there was found nowhere in law enforcement data. You know,
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Speaker 1: I just I feel sick to my stomach. Kendra Kendra
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Speaker 1: Closter with me, executive director Native People's Action nonprofit. Please
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Speaker 1: go to crime online dot com where we give you
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Speaker 1: the link to look up and read for yourself what
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Speaker 1: Kendra Closter is telling us about the way that the
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Speaker 1: murderers and the disappearances of Indigenous women in our country,
28:48
Speaker 1: how they are being treated are not treated. Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. I want to circle back to Sheriff
29:10
Speaker 1: John Motts, Winnebago County Sheriff who conducted a sting operation
29:15
Speaker 1: and managed to rope in Tommy Lee Jenkins, who had
29:20
Speaker 1: walked three hundred and fifty one miles walked in order
29:23
Speaker 1: to have sex relations with what he thought was a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl, Sheriff Motts, how do you train
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Speaker 1: your men and women who performed these stings to go
29:36
Speaker 1: in and act like a prayers. We are extremely fortunate
29:40
Speaker 1: to have the individuals we do working in our task force.
29:44
Speaker 1: They are extremely dedicated. They will get up at two
29:46
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, set an alarm, get up at
29:48
Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning to exchange information with predators
29:52
Speaker 1: because predators think, you know, the detectives not working at
29:56
Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning, and we are now at
29:59
Speaker 1: their beckoning call, so to speak, and all of their
30:03
Speaker 1: desires and we want to make sure that the investigation
30:07
Speaker 1: is absolutely complete. So it is nothing but dedication and
30:11
Speaker 1: the certifications that they have gone through. They're all highly
30:16
Speaker 1: trained in that area, you know. Sheriff John Mots with
30:18
Speaker 1: me these year if in Winnebago County. I'm railing about
30:21
Speaker 1: the fact that this guy wasn't already in jail on
30:23
Speaker 1: the two previous incidents, but thank God in Heaven you
30:27
Speaker 1: guys managed to do this sting and get him behind
30:30
Speaker 1: bars this time. There are so many cases to report on.
30:34
Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting down again. Take a listen to
30:36
Speaker 1: ABC four News reporter and Emerson. An eleven year old
30:39
Speaker 1: driver holds over randomly into a restaurant parking lot early
30:43
Speaker 1: Monday morning. A police cruiser is there. Within a minute,
30:46
Speaker 1: the officer gets out to investigate. The boy shakes hands
30:49
Speaker 1: with the officer. The boy told police he was from Simpsonville.
30:53
Speaker 1: He said he took his brother's car and drove two
30:55
Speaker 1: hundred miles to meet a man from Snapchat. He said
30:58
Speaker 1: he was going to live with him. And literally getting
31:01
Speaker 1: chills up and down my arms, Captain Dave McK internet
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Speaker 1: crimes against children's task worse. This little boy, an eleven
31:08
Speaker 1: year old child, My children, my twins are eleven years old,
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Speaker 1: meets a guy on Snapchat and is groomed and coast
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Speaker 1: to take the family car, get into the car in
31:20
Speaker 1: the night and drive overnight, hundreds of miles, an eleven
31:24
Speaker 1: year old child driving and by the grace of God, yeah,
31:28
Speaker 1: I said it. This had to be divine intervention. The
31:32
Speaker 1: likelihood that in the middle of the night, in the dark,
31:34
Speaker 1: this little boy driving all night, eleven years old, pulled
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Speaker 1: into a restaurant where a cruiser happened to be sitting there,
31:43
Speaker 1: and he happens to see the boy a strike up
31:46
Speaker 1: a conversation. He met a grown man on snap Chat,
31:50
Speaker 1: Captain David Mack and was going to quote live with
31:55
Speaker 1: him Snapchat. Yes, unfortunately, are killing are using these times
32:00
Speaker 1: of applications, in these types of websites to meet people
32:03
Speaker 1: that they don't know who they are. Or you know
32:05
Speaker 1: what really touched a nerve with me listening to one
32:07
Speaker 1: of your other guests when we talked to both the
32:09
Speaker 1: grooming procedures. Oftentimes, like in Tommy Lee Jenkins case, these
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Speaker 1: children are seeking certain things, whether it's a parental figure
32:17
Speaker 1: or as in the other case, somebody that's having issues
32:20
Speaker 1: with an eating disorder. They play off of those weaknesses
32:24
Speaker 1: and they use that to groom them and get them
32:26
Speaker 1: to meet them at different places. And you know, I
32:27
Speaker 1: keep thinking about Alicia. Alicia is with me right now,
32:30
Speaker 1: and I'm going to talk about you because you don't
32:32
Speaker 1: take enough credit. Alicia Kozakevitch with me, kidnap assault survivor.
32:37
Speaker 1: You can find at Alicia kozac dot com. I've heard
32:39
Speaker 1: her entire story and what she went through as a
32:44
Speaker 1: little girl. It's daunting and if you could see her,
32:49
Speaker 1: she's stunning, articulate, educated, she's quote turned her life around.
32:55
Speaker 1: But for every Alicia Kozakevitch, there are hundreds of other
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Speaker 1: children right now. I've got so many kidnapped children, missing children,
33:04
Speaker 1: abused children. I don't have enough hours to help find
33:09
Speaker 1: them all. Alicia was so abused, sex assaulted, beaten, was
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Speaker 1: forced to wear a shot collar chained to the floor
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Speaker 1: that this guy that took her sent out a video
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Speaker 1: of her crying and it was so bad he sent
33:28
Speaker 1: it to another child porn pornst and that guy, as
33:33
Speaker 1: evil as he is, called police. That's how Alicia was found.
33:39
Speaker 1: And that day her perpetrator said, you know what, I've
33:43
Speaker 1: talked to you so much, I've actually started to like you.
33:46
Speaker 1: I'm going to take you for a drive tonight. She
33:48
Speaker 1: as a child, knew she was going to die that night,
33:51
Speaker 1: and she heard lawman, lawmen and women breaking in the door.
33:57
Speaker 1: She hid. She thought she was about to die. That
34:00
Speaker 1: is what she lived through. That is what this child
34:03
Speaker 1: lived through. Now a survivor leave page. What is happening
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Speaker 1: with Tommy Lee Jenkins. This is his third go around
34:11
Speaker 1: trying to lure children that we know of. Please tell
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Speaker 1: me he is in jail right now. You are correct,
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Speaker 1: he is in jail, Nancy, and he is charged with
34:20
Speaker 1: using a computer to attempt to persuade and deuce or
34:24
Speaker 1: entice a minor to engage in unlawful sexual activity, and
34:28
Speaker 1: that comes with a mandatory minimum of ten years in
34:31
Speaker 1: prison and the potential for a life sentence. I'm happy
34:34
Speaker 1: about that, and I applaud you of John Motts and
34:37
Speaker 1: his people, Captain Dave Mack fighting the good fight. But
34:40
Speaker 1: I've got to leave on this note. For everyone that
34:43
Speaker 1: we catch, there's a thousand getting away with it right now.
34:48
Speaker 1: They could be your neighbor. They could be the college professor,
34:50
Speaker 1: your pastor your Sunday school teacher. I don't know, but
34:54
Speaker 1: they are out there and they are coming for our children.
34:57
Speaker 1: But guess what a lot Dettle loaded. Nancy Gray's crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,