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Should Testament Really Remix Souls of Black? · Classic Metal Show

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SPEAKER_00: Howdy everybody, this is Big Dad Rich, the fan about laws, Texas Hippie Coalition.
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SPEAKER_00: You're watching CMS TV.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, that was The Great Ozzy Osbourne with The Ultimate Sin.
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SPEAKER_02: Before that, we had Havoc in there, brand new stuff called The Ultimate Weapon.
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SPEAKER_02: Metallica, now that we're dead, which I guess was just there to piss off the chat room.
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SPEAKER_02: And Harlot with The Pentinent.
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SPEAKER_02: Brand new stuff from them as well.
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SPEAKER_02: Want to thank Jim Florentine once again for stopping by, spending a lot of time with us.
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SPEAKER_02: He was on like an hour and a half.
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SPEAKER_02: Coming straight out of two sets at a comedy show.
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SPEAKER_02: That's pretty good.
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SPEAKER_02: I can't complain about that guy.
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SPEAKER_00: Not at all, man.
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SPEAKER_00: It was a lot of fun.
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Jim's great.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a lot of fun.
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SPEAKER_02: Although I'm taking a beating in the chat room for 15 different reasons with Jim.
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SPEAKER_02: He was boring.
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SPEAKER_02: He wasn't as funny as he is on it.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, no shit.
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SPEAKER_02: He wasn't here doing comedy.
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SPEAKER_00: He just got finished with two back-to-back sets.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's kind of worn out a little bit, I think, doing two shows in one night.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's an hour and a half.
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SPEAKER_00: I just think that's – I didn't expect him to stay that long.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't either.
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SPEAKER_00: Which was really cool of him.
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SPEAKER_00: We could have probably kept going, to be honest with you.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, we could have.
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SPEAKER_02: I was waiting for him to send me a text saying, all right, bro, wrap it up.
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SPEAKER_00: Wrap it up, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But I got shit for that.
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SPEAKER_02: I got shit for – God forbid I said he was my friend because we are friends.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, like, legitimately.
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SPEAKER_00: He said it, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I mean, look, I get nothing out of clout.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, clout means shit to me.
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SPEAKER_02: It really doesn't mean anything to me.
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SPEAKER_02: But, you know, he's somebody that.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know how it happened after the way we beat the shit out of that metal show
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SPEAKER_02: for 10 solid years.
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SPEAKER_02: But, you know, Jim's a fan.
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SPEAKER_02: He's a fan of what we do.
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SPEAKER_02: And he listens to the CMS.
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SPEAKER_02: And he and I text back and forth pretty much all week, you know, constantly.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll send him something or he'll send me something or whatever, you know, just funny shit.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, if you had said, like, say,
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SPEAKER_00: my buddy Jim Florentine,
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SPEAKER_00: you think it might,
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SPEAKER_00: maybe it's just the actual noun itself,
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SPEAKER_00: saying my friend, my friend, that it reminds people just of that he drunk.
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SPEAKER_02: There's that.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe you can switch it up.
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SPEAKER_00: There's that.
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SPEAKER_02: Look, I don't do it often.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, Neely's much more into that than me.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, Neely will definitely say that.
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SPEAKER_02: And they give me shit all the time because I just talk about,
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SPEAKER_02: well, I talked to, and I don't even call him a friend.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll be like, well, I talked to so-and-so.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, the fact is I did.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, what do you want me to say?
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SPEAKER_02: I heard so-and-so from Anthrax say this or that.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, what am I supposed to do?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well,
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SPEAKER_00: then does it make Eddie Trunk say,
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SPEAKER_00: my friend, my friend, I guess, that bad then, you know?
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SPEAKER_02: Well...
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe not sure doing a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: You realize like, oh, well, you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe I get where Eddie's coming from.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes and no.
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SPEAKER_02: Because Ed seems to do it for every single person he talks to.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's true.
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SPEAKER_00: I agree.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, literally every story he tells is, yeah, I was just talking to my friend.
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SPEAKER_02: And it would be somebody that you just know is not his friend.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like, you know, stop it already.
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SPEAKER_02: You're not friends with the entire world.
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SPEAKER_02: And again, I don't really care.
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SPEAKER_02: Like Jim was saying, and I do agree with it.
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SPEAKER_02: I've said it numerous times on here, so it's not like I'm ass-kissing or anything of the sort.
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SPEAKER_02: But I have said all along, I enjoy Eddie's interviews.
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SPEAKER_00: I do.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, man.
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SPEAKER_02: I like when he goes crazy on stupid shit that me and Neely can just fucking roast.
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SPEAKER_02: But...
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SPEAKER_02: I, you know, I enjoy his interviews.
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SPEAKER_02: I've learned from watching or listening to him.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, dude, I always said, I always said, you guys are the two best.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm not just saying this, you know, I mean, now they're going to probably go off on me.
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SPEAKER_00: And now it's your fault.
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SPEAKER_00: See, look at his ass kisser.
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SPEAKER_00: He's the next one.
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SPEAKER_00: No, but in reality,
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SPEAKER_00: because,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: even when we did,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, we were doing Aftershocks, we used to talk about it all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, you know, he's fucking annoying.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I said,
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SPEAKER_00: I always said, like,
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SPEAKER_00: the one thing about any truck I can't stand is,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, that show he had, he's just, he's just not a good personality.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00: At all.
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SPEAKER_00: He's not a guy that his show is horrendous on Sirius.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I remember I was like, I can't.
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SPEAKER_00: And that actually soured me on him because I used to like him.
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SPEAKER_00: And then when I heard that,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_00: he just bitches about,
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SPEAKER_00: complains about shit all the time, about having a cold and shit.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like, all right, man, enough.
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SPEAKER_00: But I always said, you guys are the two best interviewers.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, hands down.
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SPEAKER_00: And exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: I used to,
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SPEAKER_00: before I was aware of you and your interviews,
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SPEAKER_00: And he was, yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: absolutely the guy who was like,
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SPEAKER_00: I would kind of,
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SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say emulate or copy, but I would take notes on when he'd do interviews.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just saw like an old thing he did, you know, when he was doing the VH1 classic ones.
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SPEAKER_00: He did it with this,
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SPEAKER_00: I read this book, this guy, Derek Shulman, I think I told you, you know, he was a...
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SPEAKER_00: Now, prog rock band,
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SPEAKER_00: Gentle Giant,
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SPEAKER_00: which is an awful band,
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SPEAKER_00: but he was like the guy who discovered Pantera, Bon Jovi, Slipknot.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, all these bands.
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SPEAKER_00: Basically, what do you call it?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, in that book, Derek Shulman's book, what the hell was it?
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SPEAKER_00: I just brain farted right now, dude.
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SPEAKER_00: I forgot what I was going to
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SPEAKER_02: talk about.
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SPEAKER_02: About the interviewing skills.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's it.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: He interviewed Derek Shulman.
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SPEAKER_00: Duh.
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SPEAKER_00: There we go.
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SPEAKER_00: On an old VH1 Classic show thing.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was – I mean – A phenomenal interview, man, Eddie did with him.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I was just like, dude,
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SPEAKER_00: I could never,
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SPEAKER_00: even if I tried my hardest to be something like that,
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SPEAKER_00: it's just, again, some guys just have it naturally.
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SPEAKER_00: I think you're one of the dudes that just naturally can do it, too.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00: And like I said, I think you have a better personality to me than Eddie Trunk.
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SPEAKER_00: I think Eddie Trunk's,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: personality on air just isn't that great,
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SPEAKER_00: but he's a great interviewer, bottom line, man.
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SPEAKER_00: He is.
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SPEAKER_02: And I take nothing away from that from Ed.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I'll tell you a very real story from very recently.
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SPEAKER_02: As you're aware, I was gifted, and this was a total gift, getting that Phil Collin interview.
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SPEAKER_02: Because Phil Collin is way up there.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, on the interviewing line, that's way up there.
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SPEAKER_02: That's in the same range as like a Metallica or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, it really is.
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SPEAKER_02: It is not the kind of interview that just randomly hits podcasts.
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: And I just happened to know the right publicist at the right time for the right.
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SPEAKER_02: Like there was a lot of things that had to line up and just did.
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SPEAKER_02: It wasn't like I'm on the interview trail of Def Leppard.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not in that.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't get those emails.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't get the, you know, it just happened to be.
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SPEAKER_02: But you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: The first thing I did was,
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SPEAKER_02: is I went to Trunk's podcast and I listened to his interview with Rick Allen.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I wanted to make sure that I didn't ask Phil
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SPEAKER_01: the same shit that was being asked.
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SPEAKER_02: And I've told you this before,
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SPEAKER_02: and for whatever it's worth, the only thing I work at on this, I don't work at this.
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SPEAKER_02: The only thing I truly try to get better every time is my interviews.
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SPEAKER_02: I really, really care about that.
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SPEAKER_02: And I want to be the best.
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SPEAKER_02: I love, I love, love, love.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, you want to know what makes me tick?
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SPEAKER_02: I love when people say I'm in the same grouping as Eddie Trunk or Howard Stern
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SPEAKER_02: or blah, blah, blah.
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SPEAKER_02: Of course.
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SPEAKER_02: Pick the guys that are the big ones.
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SPEAKER_02: And I love even more when they take the famous people and tell me I'm way better
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SPEAKER_02: than them, like Jamie Jostin or Dean Del Rey or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: I love heroes.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, come on.
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SPEAKER_00: Those guys are terrible anyway.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, they're terrible, but they get fucking
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SPEAKER_00: ten times the views.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, we know.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, Joster, for one, is because he's a musician.
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SPEAKER_00: He knows right, but he's the headbangers bowl he did.
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SPEAKER_00: And Dean Del Rey, he was just a drug dealer to all these rock stars for years.
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SPEAKER_01: So he's got the connections.
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SPEAKER_01: He's got the connections.
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SPEAKER_01: I get that.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think you can compare in terms of like,
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SPEAKER_00: like we always talk about,
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SPEAKER_00: we're so into the old school journalistic, you know, stances and stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's what you bring, that you don't find...
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SPEAKER_00: Pretty much anywhere with any of these guys, like I said, other than Eddie.
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SPEAKER_00: Everyone else is just a name because of who they know or they're being a musician
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SPEAKER_00: or just so forth.
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SPEAKER_00: They didn't work through the old school way that you did
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SPEAKER_00: where you just grinded your way up to getting Phil Collin.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, that wasn't done because you...
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SPEAKER_00: You just had some sort of friends or you knew someone.
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SPEAKER_00: No, you do that through pure hard work.
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SPEAKER_00: You said doing all these shitty interviews with these shitty bands to build up
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SPEAKER_00: the connections with the publicists.
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SPEAKER_00: And obviously,
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SPEAKER_00: they wouldn't be giving you those interviews if they knew the quality
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SPEAKER_00: of how you do them and conduct them isn't top-notch.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, the one that's coming out this week is Grandmaster Flash,
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SPEAKER_02: which is obviously not this music or whatever.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a really legitimate guy, like on a different level of legitimacy.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is the guy that invented a billion dollar industry.
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10:31
SPEAKER_01: He invented it.
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SPEAKER_01: He invented rap.
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SPEAKER_02: He invented
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SPEAKER_00: that shit.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, he did.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was absolutely, man.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what it started becoming, you know, getting on the radio and took off.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, everyone has their own opinions on who invented it,
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SPEAKER_00: but that was the first band that actually made it commercial.
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SPEAKER_02: It was him and the Sugar Hill Gang.
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SPEAKER_00: Those were the two.
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SPEAKER_02: And then obviously Run DMC comes right after that and LL right after that.
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SPEAKER_02: And not that we're going to get into a whole rap discussion.
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SPEAKER_02: We're not.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying for me to get
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SPEAKER_02: that opportunity to talk to that guy,
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SPEAKER_02: and the publicist, our mutual friend, Jamie, was the one that set that up.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, Jamie Roberts.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And, you know,
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SPEAKER_02: she told me, she said, you're the only one in my medal list that I'll let do this.
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SPEAKER_02: And I was like, that's fucking great.
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SPEAKER_02: And I made sure I was super prepared for that one.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I really, really prepped.
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SPEAKER_02: It's one of the few I ever wrote questions for because I did not want
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SPEAKER_00: to do- Does she still come into the interview rooms?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I just was wondering.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: She was the one who hooked me up.
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SPEAKER_00: Remember that one I did with the Muslim girls from Indonesia?
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SPEAKER_00: That's still getting hundreds of views every week because of just
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SPEAKER_00: a very unique thing and whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, she gets really interesting clients.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she does.
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SPEAKER_02: I know.
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SPEAKER_02: She's working right now, that Man on a Mission band again.
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SPEAKER_02: She's still working that band.
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SPEAKER_02: We have a new record.
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SPEAKER_02: And I got a feeling I'll probably be doing that one because.
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SPEAKER_00: But that's what you got to Grandmaster Flash.
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SPEAKER_00: She's doing Man on a Mission.
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SPEAKER_02: And she gets those kind of clients.
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SPEAKER_02: And sometimes you got to do the ones that are.
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SPEAKER_02: And admittedly,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: to be fair to her on that or to those bands or whatever,
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SPEAKER_02: just because I'm not necessarily into it.
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SPEAKER_02: And this has always been my mantra.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't have to be into it to do a good interview.
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SPEAKER_02: I just have to.
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SPEAKER_02: Be prepared.
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SPEAKER_02: Prepared, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I've always said this.
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SPEAKER_02: I've been like,
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SPEAKER_02: the classic metal show is where you hear what the fuck I want to say,
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SPEAKER_02: whatever the fuck that is.
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SPEAKER_02: But the interview is for the artist.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course.
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SPEAKER_02: And whether I like them or I hate them isn't the point.
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SPEAKER_02: They're here to sell their wares.
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SPEAKER_02: So I make sure that they do.
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SPEAKER_02: You'll never hear me do an interview where I start off by saying,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: I really think you fucking blow, but let's talk about your shit album anyway.
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SPEAKER_02: You'll never get that from me.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll always make them shine as high as they want to take it.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, again, that's the old school journalism way, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's how it is.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like you don't have to love it.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the problem.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't want to get into a whole discussion on the journalism,
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SPEAKER_00: but we've talked about that so long.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's become the point where now everything is just,
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SPEAKER_00: instead of promoting things that maybe other people are into or might be into
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SPEAKER_00: that you might not be into, it's all about, no, what I like and that's it.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's not journalism.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not media, real media, old school media.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's something,
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SPEAKER_00: like I said,
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SPEAKER_02: that- That's also why we're not getting any new bands because nobody will talk
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SPEAKER_02: to them.
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SPEAKER_00: Bingo.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: No one cares exactly to do it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, let's talk about old bands here for a minute.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's talk some music.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's talk.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm going to start with Testament.
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SPEAKER_02: This is one I'm super excited about.
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SPEAKER_02: And the topic of this is something I'm never excited about.
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SPEAKER_02: So take that for whatever it is.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm curious what you think of this.
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SPEAKER_02: The habit right now with all of these bands,
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SPEAKER_02: whether their records need them or not, is to remix their old record.
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SPEAKER_02: They remix it, they throw a bonus track on it, they resell it again to the hardcore.
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SPEAKER_02: So that's what they do.
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SPEAKER_02: And 99.999% of the time, I couldn't give a single fuck.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't...
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SPEAKER_02: The few that have stuck out in my head have always stuck out for bad reasons, not good.
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SPEAKER_02: Like the Megadeth remasters.
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SPEAKER_02: Remember when Megadeth did it and they fucked up the bass and it's all real loud?
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SPEAKER_00: Which one did they do it on again?
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SPEAKER_00: Was it Euthanasia?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, it does.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, ones that did not need mixing.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, they just did, especially euthanasia.
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SPEAKER_02: You know,
15:10
SPEAKER_02: when you're doing Train to Consequences
15:11
SPEAKER_02: and you're hearing Ellefson like 10 times louder, it used to be.
15:15
SPEAKER_02: It's like, dude.
15:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, who needs that?
15:19
SPEAKER_00: Ease up.
15:19
SPEAKER_02: I know.
15:20
SPEAKER_02: Ease up.
15:20
SPEAKER_02: I like the original.
15:22
SPEAKER_02: It did not need a remaster.
15:25
SPEAKER_02: The only two records I could think of in my lifetime that I love,
15:29
SPEAKER_02: love, love that needed a remaster and justice for all.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: Which they did not do.
15:36
SPEAKER_02: They did not do their job.
15:39
SPEAKER_02: And this one,
15:41
SPEAKER_02: arguably with a remaster, will become my favorite Testament album of all time again.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: That is Testament Souls of Black.
15:51
SPEAKER_02: I loved this record when it came out.
15:54
SPEAKER_02: When it came out, I absolutely played that motherfucker to death.
15:58
SPEAKER_02: You know that song, Falling Fast?
15:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm falling fast!
16:00
SPEAKER_01: Love that.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: But now they're going to remix it.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: And of course,
16:09
SPEAKER_02: as the internet does,
16:10
SPEAKER_02: everybody's whining about, oh, you can't fucking fuck
16:13
SPEAKER_01: with the original.
16:17
SPEAKER_02: The original sounded like it was recorded in someone's garage.
16:22
SPEAKER_02: And the truth is it might have been.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: It might have been.
16:27
SPEAKER_00: It's possible.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: It does not sound good at all.
16:33
SPEAKER_02: And now they're going to remix it.
16:36
SPEAKER_02: If they do it right, this could be really, really good.
16:41
SPEAKER_02: This could be as good as getting it again.
16:43
SPEAKER_02: So I'm curious where you stand with this.
16:46
SPEAKER_02: For me, it's a no-brainer.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Please do it.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: Please do it, but do it right.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: Don't just hire Mayor Applebaum, and I'm not saying Mayor's bad.
16:56
SPEAKER_02: He's very good.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: But don't just hire somebody that does this shit to throw some gloss on it.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: Make it count.
17:06
SPEAKER_02: Like, The only other one I could think of that I've really heard
17:09
SPEAKER_02: that I really think is really substantially better is Pantera's Reinventing
17:16
SPEAKER_02: the Steel, the remix that they did with Terry Date.
17:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I didn't know they did a remix.
17:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, on the...
17:26
SPEAKER_02: 25th anniversary, whatever anniversary they just had.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they need to really do one for that.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's just my opinion.
17:32
SPEAKER_02: I thought it was a little muddy.
17:33
SPEAKER_02: If you listen to the new one, you get a lot more times dynamics.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:38
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you really do get a different,
17:41
SPEAKER_02: not different guitar sound,
17:43
SPEAKER_02: but a different sounding tone because it's not as mucky in the mix.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: I can see that.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: And this one, this Souls of Black, I mean, it just wasn't good when it came out.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Let me see.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: No, look, I'm, yeah, go ahead.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: Are you going to play it?
18:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to look for it.
18:01
SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no,
18:03
SPEAKER_00: I was going to say,
18:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm a huge fan of when they do this with,
18:07
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say every single album, but most albums.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: Like the one they did was that I loved, and I'm so glad they did it.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they did for Beneath the Remains, Sepultura.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: Like I'm saying,
18:18
SPEAKER_00: those records,
18:18
SPEAKER_00: because look,
18:20
SPEAKER_00: back in the 80s especially,
18:22
SPEAKER_00: Remember,
18:25
SPEAKER_00: there's a producer,
18:26
SPEAKER_00: like I was telling you, that I'm trying to work him into being a part of my film.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: And he's a very well-known producer who produced a ton of huge names in metal.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: And the thing about it, and this guy, I think, He thinks he's not special at all.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: He's very self-deprecating and boggles my mind.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: He's very humble, which is great.
18:47
SPEAKER_00: He's a great dude.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: But he's just like, I'm not really that important.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: The guy's playing the music.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: But back then, there wasn't engineers that knew how to get that sound on tape.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: You know, it was new.
18:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this was raw stuff.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, to get the sound of those guitars and the double bass,
19:04
SPEAKER_00: all those,
19:05
SPEAKER_00: you know,
19:05
SPEAKER_00: just metal in general,
19:07
SPEAKER_00: to get that on tape,
19:08
SPEAKER_00: it wasn't like you're recording,
19:10
SPEAKER_00: you know,
19:10
SPEAKER_00: regular rock with acoustic guitar where, you know, it's clean and it's easy to get.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: So, of course, they didn't have the technology back then to make these things sound great.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: But I see those bands like Testament around that era, you know, like 86 to 88, you know, 89.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean,
19:27
SPEAKER_00: they were working on shoestring budgets,
19:29
SPEAKER_00: a lot of these bands, you know, with these labels.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: And the other thing, too,
19:32
SPEAKER_02: in that era with those bands,
19:35
SPEAKER_02: the Bay Area bands, they were all somehow trying to sound garage-y, too.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: That was another key thing for them.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: Totally.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: As much as Metallica was the one that catapulted, they all wanted to sound like Exodus.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: They all wanted to sound like Exodus.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: That just...
19:56
SPEAKER_02: Garage, beat you to death metal sound.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: And they all did.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you think about it.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Well, they didn't want to polish it.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: No.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: They don't want it all polished, right?
20:06
SPEAKER_00: Because you had all the Mutt Lang stuff.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, you had the Def Leppard, ACDC.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: Right?
20:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, trust me, that stuff, without that, I don't know.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I got into metal so early in my life, probably, you know, Because of that production.
20:18
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: But you're right.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: That was more commercialized.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: The thrash bands, right?
20:22
SPEAKER_00: They were trying to get away from anything tied to mainstream, anything.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: And so you said, you're right.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: They wanted it to be a little more garagey and raw.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: But of course, I used to sit there.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: There's so many albums.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: I would sit there and go, God, can you imagine if this was remixed and remastered?
20:38
SPEAKER_00: And just if you polish it up just a little bit, how amazing it could sound.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: And here's the thing.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: If people don't like it, You don't got to listen to it.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, go ahead.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: You're exactly right.
20:51
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, you can name all those early albums from the early 80s or the early thrash scene.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: Ultraviolence by Death Angel.
21:00
SPEAKER_02: Haunting the Chapel by Slayer.
21:02
SPEAKER_02: Kill Them All by Metallica.
21:04
SPEAKER_02: The original Kill Them All.
21:06
SPEAKER_02: All of the first four or five Overkill records.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: You know, Metal Thrash and Mad.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: You know, Anthrax.
21:14
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't care what band you pick.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: If you pick whatever they did from 1981 to about 1987, they all sound like that.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: And then all of a sudden, you know, it started sounding cleaner.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: You know, these bands got budget and the labels got their claws into these guys.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: And we're like, we're not going to put out an album that sounds like ass anymore.
21:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, I remember the stark, stark, we're going to play The Testament here in a minute.
21:44
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember how jarring the change was from Souls of Black to Electric Crown?
21:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: It was like two different bands.
21:56
SPEAKER_02: Huge, huge.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: It was so different then.
22:01
SPEAKER_02: You know, when those two records came back to back.
22:05
SPEAKER_02: Think about even...
22:07
SPEAKER_02: Among the Living to, what was after Among the Living?
22:10
SPEAKER_02: State of Euphoria?
22:13
SPEAKER_02: I think, maybe.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Persistence of Time?
22:15
SPEAKER_02: No, that's later.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: That's later, yeah.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: So it must be State of Euphoria.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: I think it's State of Euphoria.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think you're right.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: So think about that change.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: Think about that from Among the Living,
22:25
SPEAKER_02: which is a great album,
22:27
SPEAKER_02: but again, sounds very trashy, to
22:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, to State of Euphoria.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: State of Euphoria.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: Fucking great.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: Well, you said the production was just so, I mean.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: And like you said, the big thing was these bands now were getting signed to bigger labels.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: And even the independents by then, too,
22:46
SPEAKER_00: they made enough off these bands coming up where now they were able to get the sound
22:51
SPEAKER_00: of their newer bands with their albums, you know, ensuing albums.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: Sounding better, like the Metal Blade records and so forth.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, I mean, it just was a new.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but boom.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: When you listen to like Metal Massacre 1, all those bands sound like ass.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh, totally.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: Every one of them.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: They all sound terrible.
23:11
SPEAKER_02: But then when you listen to,
23:13
SPEAKER_02: and I know this is jumping several years,
23:17
SPEAKER_02: but you listen to the heaviest album I think they ever put out,
23:19
SPEAKER_02: which was Butchered at Birth, Cannibal Corpse.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
23:23
SPEAKER_02: The production was fucking phenomenal.
23:26
SPEAKER_02: For that kind of music, for that kind of music at that time.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: For that kind of music at that time, yeah.
23:31
SPEAKER_02: It was such a jump, you know.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: It was a huge jump.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean, dude, look at it.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: Oh, just go back to all those,
23:37
SPEAKER_00: like I said, the Sepultura's, all the old Roadrunner Road Racer records.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the whole Monty Connor and Scott Burns.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, those things sounded like, bleh.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like you said, their early obituary records.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: Like Schizophrenia and stuff like that, yeah.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, trust me,
23:56
SPEAKER_00: it's kind of funny because you had a band like Power Trip, right,
23:58
SPEAKER_00: who some years ago here,
24:00
SPEAKER_00: 10, 15 years ago, they actually started putting out their records.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: That sounded like that sound.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: Just to get the nostalgic sound.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
24:07
SPEAKER_00: That's what it was for.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: And of course, it was a little more done up and polished.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, listen,
24:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm all for...
24:15
SPEAKER_00: Look, I would always... All those old albums, I would love to hear how they sound.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: But you're right, though, in certain ways, too.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: It's got to be done...
24:25
SPEAKER_00: You can't just go in there and gloss it up totally.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: You have to focus on what to gloss up.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: Because like you said,
24:30
SPEAKER_00: it could sound like garbage or it could completely ruin what you know of it
24:36
SPEAKER_00: and what you've listened to for all these years if there's,
24:38
SPEAKER_00: like you said, certain vocals that are now more out front.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
24:44
SPEAKER_00: it's just basically I think it's good to raise the things that were just so buried
24:48
SPEAKER_00: in the sound.
24:49
SPEAKER_00: Just raise them a little bit.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: Or clean up things that just sounded bad.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
24:55
SPEAKER_02: Because, again, the Megadeth thing especially is just like, stop it.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: That just didn't sound good.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: That sounds silly.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: And let's remember this, too.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: Remember, these guys, when they recorded these records, they had like four or five days.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: Like, you got to get them done by that time.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: So they were doing them fast.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't time to fuck around with the sound and the mix and everything.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, man.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Testament wasn't going to a million-dollar studio for six months.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely not.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: It's not even close.
25:23
SPEAKER_02: Atlantic was probably saying, you guys got five days.
25:27
SPEAKER_02: Rehearse till you're ready and then tell us and we'll book the five days.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: They did it at this place in Oakland, a sound studio, man.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: And I've been there.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: I've jammed in there.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: It's in a shithole.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: Now it's actually got nicer, but a total shithole area in Oakland.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: Total shithole.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: And there's a great ton of records that were recorded in there.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, a ton, even like in Vogue, like pop shit.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
25:49
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, it's a ton of records.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: I got them all on the walls and stuff.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: It's a cool place.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: But, yeah,
25:54
SPEAKER_00: but that's, again,
25:55
SPEAKER_00: it's just kind of like the Sound City studios in L.A. with,
25:58
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:59
SPEAKER_00: that's where, you know, eventually a grow bought that out, you know, the studio out.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: And I've just been, you know, going back to the 60s and 70s with bands that recorded there.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: But they were, back then, those studios were really shitholes, you know.
26:10
SPEAKER_00: Like anyone could just go in there and rent them for freaking, you know, 10 bucks an hour.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I'm glad I did this, man.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm really happy.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: Well, this is the old version because I want people to hear the old version just
26:25
SPEAKER_02: so they can hear why I think this could be really good with the right coat
26:32
SPEAKER_02: of paint put on it.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: But again, it has to be right.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: If all they're going to do is EQ it and...
26:39
SPEAKER_01: Brick the sound, then don't fucking touch it.
26:42
SPEAKER_02: Because even though it is kind of low in the mix,
26:45
SPEAKER_02: like the whole mix was kind of low, I don't want it to be, you know, I hate that.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: I hate the modern production.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: It is terrible.
26:55
SPEAKER_01: All right, let's check it out.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: This is a little bit of Testament.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: Here
26:58
SPEAKER_01: we go.
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We'll see that the world will live.
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Political lives are destroyed.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: What do they have, Chuck Billy in a gym?
28:21
SPEAKER_01: I know.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's the kind of stuff I want to see cleaned up is the,
28:29
SPEAKER_02: there's like so much reverb or something on that guy who's so powerful.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: Why is there so much reverb here?
28:37
SPEAKER_02: You know,
28:38
SPEAKER_02: and they're just,
28:39
SPEAKER_02: and the guitars all sound like it's just,
28:43
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's an effect or if it's a lack of effect.
28:47
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure which it is.
28:49
SPEAKER_02: I would say a lock.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: It's just, it's almost too raw.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: Sounds like what you would do when you're practicing in your house.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: It's a demo.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: It sounds like a demo.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: Right.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's a thing.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:04
SPEAKER_02: So, but the,
29:05
SPEAKER_02: now let's,
29:06
SPEAKER_02: I'll devil's advocate this,
29:07
SPEAKER_02: even though I don't believe this at all, but just to kind of talk about it.
29:12
SPEAKER_02: The argument against this is why would you mess with something that's That's great.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: And I do agree.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: Song-wise, it's great.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: And you do run the risk of tainting it because,
29:28
SPEAKER_02: let's be honest, they're not going to put out both versions.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: So if they don't, they're going to do this remix.
29:37
SPEAKER_02: They're going to pull this remix or they're going to pull this version of it off
29:41
SPEAKER_02: of all the streaming.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: They're going to not sell it anymore on Amazon or whatever.
29:46
SPEAKER_02: So you better have it.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: Because whatever this remix turns out to be is going to be the official release.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure that they're,
29:57
SPEAKER_00: you know, I mean,
30:00
SPEAKER_00: listen, those guys have been together, right, almost the same lineup forever.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they just changed drummers, it seems like.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: Just drummers, yeah.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: Yo metalheads, you ready to let the beast out of its cage?
30:11
SPEAKER_01: This ain't just an album, this is Iron Maiden's The Number of the Beast.
30:15
SPEAKER_01: The riffs hit harder, the bass thunders deeper, Dickinson's voice rips your soul in half.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Run to the Hills, Hallowed Be Thy Name, the title track that made Eddie immortal.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: Every track sounds like it's straight from the devil's own amp.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: Crank it to 11 and feel the power that defined heavy metal.
30:33
SPEAKER_01: Don't walk.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: Run to the link at the bottom of the screen and grab this beast right now before it sells out.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm sure it's something that they're all going to have to agree on.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: And I think they'll make, I trust their decision making.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, they're one of those bands, it's such a high quality band.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they're the type that's going to mess with their history just to make
30:56
SPEAKER_00: a few extra bucks.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: I think they still do pretty well, all of them.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: I think it's going to... Because like you said, just listen to that.
31:07
SPEAKER_00: There's so much cleaning up to do.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: And just how amazing it'll sound.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I do like the rawness, though.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: And that is the thing, too.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: It gives it its character, but at the same time...
31:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: Maybe they feel like they got nothing to lose at this point in their career.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
31:24
SPEAKER_00: Maybe it creates one of those things,
31:25
SPEAKER_00: too, where then it's like a collector's item for people who have the old ones.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of different, I guess, reasons to go into why they will agree to do it or not.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm hopeful that what they'll do is they'll do it like Pantera did with Reinventing the Steel.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: Because on that remaster or remix or whatever you want to call it,
31:45
SPEAKER_02: the anniversary edition, it still has the original version.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: So you get the original and then you get the 2020 remaster or whatever.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: And then like some live footage or something at the end.
31:59
SPEAKER_02: But that's good.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: That's good.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: But, you know, again, that's Pantera.
32:07
SPEAKER_02: That's a big, big selling band.
32:10
SPEAKER_02: Testament is not a big, big selling band.
32:13
SPEAKER_02: Is somebody going to be willing to spend...
32:17
SPEAKER_02: That much to put out a double LP on vinyl.
32:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a good point.
32:25
SPEAKER_02: A double CD these days is unheard of.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: But I also think, think about it.
32:31
SPEAKER_00: I think most fans now of bands, they'd rather have that than have a new album by a band.
32:37
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah,
32:40
SPEAKER_00: so I think it's more like, well,
32:42
SPEAKER_00: instead of us,
32:43
SPEAKER_00: you know, I mean,
32:43
SPEAKER_00: and so are the labels because everyone knows the songs and loves them already.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: So I think it's a lower risk financially for labels to do it.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: I do.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: I think the label would do that instead of funding a new record.
33:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm trying to think which one would cost more.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: But in the end, again, like you said, everything's nostalgic.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: People want to have it.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, even if it's just to have for their collection, they want it.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: So I think they would.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: I think it's absolutely,
33:17
SPEAKER_00: I think I said,
33:18
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a much better verse financially for labels to do so and for bands.
33:21
SPEAKER_00: So I think it's a win-win for everybody.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: I really do.
33:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, I know that one is one I'm actually, I don't buy much music anymore.
33:28
SPEAKER_02: I just don't.
33:29
SPEAKER_02: Because I really don't have a physical player to play it on.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't have a record player.
33:33
SPEAKER_02: I don't have a CD player.
33:34
SPEAKER_02: So I really don't have any real reason to buy music anymore.
33:38
SPEAKER_02: But I can tell you I will buy that one.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: I will buy it probably on vinyl.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: And I'll put it on my wall.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: And I might pull it off if I ever get a player.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you won't get a player.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: You hate vinyl.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: So I don't see that happening.
33:53
SPEAKER_02: I really don't.
33:54
SPEAKER_02: Look, I have box sets literally right here that are unopened.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: Unopened.
34:00
SPEAKER_02: Here's the Halloween's box set.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: Halloween's box set.
34:05
SPEAKER_02: I love Halloween.
34:07
SPEAKER_02: And it has like five albums or something.
34:11
SPEAKER_00: If you've got a good system, man, there's nothing better that sounds like it.
34:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: You hear these things.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: You hear stuff on vinyl that you can't hear on digital.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: You just can't.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: That's why I love it.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: You can deal with the little cracks,
34:26
SPEAKER_00: but you don't even care because you grew up with it anyway, at least in my opinion.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: I love vinyl.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm a total vinyl whore.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: The problem I have with vinyl is twofold.
34:37
SPEAKER_02: Number one, I wouldn't just have to buy a record player.
34:43
SPEAKER_02: I don't have any of that
34:44
SPEAKER_01: shit anymore.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: I don't have a preamp.
34:45
SPEAKER_02: I don't have speakers.
34:46
SPEAKER_02: I don't have any of that shit.
34:48
SPEAKER_02: And God knows you defeat the purpose if you buy the one that has a USB
34:52
SPEAKER_02: and you plug it into your fucking computer.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: What's the point?
34:57
SPEAKER_00: Dude, I have what I have.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: And this, I want to get, because, dude, it's interesting.
35:00
SPEAKER_00: Like, I go to these, you know, vinyl record stores now.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: That's the thing that's really, and now it's easy to get.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: It used to be so hard to get these old school systems.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: Now I'm, like, going to some, and I got a whole bunch of that shit now.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: And I'm, like, I got to find records.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: It sounds good.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying it sounds amazing.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: But it's good enough.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: It does the job for now until I can definitely improve it and definitely get something better.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: But if you just got that,
35:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you,
35:40
SPEAKER_00: it's already better to me than when I put on the streaming or whatever
35:45
SPEAKER_00: on my speakers.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: It's still already better.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: So it's not what you think.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: You don't need the big, huge speakers and the preamp and all that stuff.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: You don't necessarily need that to have a good quality sound come out of it.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I do.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: I have a bunch of vinyl.
35:59
SPEAKER_02: I literally have a bunch of vinyl now because,
36:02
SPEAKER_02: you know,
36:02
SPEAKER_02: publicists and whatnot thank me,
36:05
SPEAKER_02: quote unquote, thank me for doing them favors with their bands.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: Again, this is one of the nice perks is I do favors for this band or that band
36:14
SPEAKER_02: or this publicist or that publicist and they send me,
36:17
SPEAKER_02: you know, they get X number of promotionals of these things.
36:22
SPEAKER_02: And I get them.
36:23
SPEAKER_02: So I have like the Creed reissue of whatever the one is with arms wide open.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: I thought I was a Creed fan, but that's still a well-known band.
36:33
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
36:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:34
SPEAKER_02: I've got the Soulfly box set right over there.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: Unopened.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: Damn, dude.
36:38
SPEAKER_02: I've got the Dokken box set right over there.
36:40
SPEAKER_02: Unopened.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: Well, here's the thing.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: If you're not going to listen to stuff, you should definitely sell this stuff.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Sell it.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Because right now, dude, I mean,
36:48
SPEAKER_00: I've got – it's funny you say that because years ago,
36:51
SPEAKER_00: I did like some street team thing when I was living in L.A., right?
36:54
SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of funny.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: It started when I was living in San Diego, and me and this girl did it together.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: And it was like a contest like,
37:03
SPEAKER_00: all right, whoever – whatever city gets the biggest – it was for rap.
37:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he just sent me – it was like that guy Bubba Sparks, right?
37:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I remember Bob Sparks.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: Remember Bob Sparks?
37:12
SPEAKER_00: He's actually pretty good, you know, for rap stuff.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: He's like a Southern guy.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: Because it was a little bit more musical.
37:16
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't just like beats and stuff.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: He was like Everlast
37:20
SPEAKER_02: or one of those guys.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was exactly.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: It was similar to that, exactly.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: And I remember they were like, whatever city gets the most...
37:27
SPEAKER_00: You know,
37:27
SPEAKER_00: increase of spins on the radio or a request or whatever,
37:31
SPEAKER_00: you know, basically wins something.
37:33
SPEAKER_00: Now, me and this girl, San Diego used to have this thing called the street scene.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's there anymore.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: But it was cool.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: They shut down the whole downtown,
37:40
SPEAKER_00: and they'd have all these different stages, and they'd play all this live music.
37:43
SPEAKER_00: And so we went there together one time.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: We met up with her and stuff, and we didn't do nothing.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: We barely gave away anything.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: And we were both kind of like, I guess this thing is whatever.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: For some reason, San Diego was number one.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: We didn't do shit for it.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: So this guy thought we did all this shit.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: He was like, oh, man.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: So I was moving to LA right after that.
38:02
SPEAKER_00: And I actually want to move in like a mile from the guy's house just randomly.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: And so he was like trying to make me like his guy.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: He thought I did all this shit.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: I didn't do anything for these things.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: So he started giving me free tickets.
38:15
SPEAKER_00: He gave me so what he wanted.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: He gave me was he gave me all of these.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: It was Tupac.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: It was like called Better Days.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't listen to that stuff.
38:24
SPEAKER_00: But he gave me like 10 vinyl, like double vinyl records.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: And he was like,
38:27
SPEAKER_00: you know,
38:28
SPEAKER_00: you just go to whatever and give these out to DJs so that they spit them in.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: I was a rock and metal guy.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: I don't fucking know DJs and shit.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: But what I did was I kept these things.
38:38
SPEAKER_00: All these years, 25 years later, I kept these things.
38:42
SPEAKER_00: I was like, you know what?
38:43
SPEAKER_00: I guarantee you these things are going to be worth something.
38:45
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: Now those things are basically over $100 each.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: You know, I got eight of them.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: So I got almost a thousand bucks right there just, you know, with those things.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: You can sell those things brand new in the wrapper if you don't want to.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: Definitely sell it then if you're not going to use it.
39:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I probably will.
39:03
SPEAKER_02: I have so much stuff here that people have given me over the years.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: Dude, this is no lie, and this is really horrible.
39:11
SPEAKER_02: I shouldn't even admit this because I'm sure I'll get a publicist call over it.
39:15
SPEAKER_02: I was sent this book.
39:17
SPEAKER_02: It's a Rush book.
39:19
SPEAKER_02: It's like Rush at 50 or something.
39:23
SPEAKER_02: It is still unopened in my living room.
39:27
SPEAKER_02: And when I say unopened, I mean it's still in the shipping packaging.
39:32
SPEAKER_02: Not like I didn't open the book.
39:35
SPEAKER_02: It's in the box.
39:37
SPEAKER_02: It's in the box that they mailed it to me with just because I know I'm not going to read it.
39:41
SPEAKER_02: And the interview guy flaked like I was going to interview him.
39:47
SPEAKER_02: And then he didn't like he canceled like three days later and then he forgot to reschedule.
39:53
SPEAKER_02: And so did I.
39:53
SPEAKER_02: And it just fell off the radar.
39:55
SPEAKER_02: But it's still in there.
39:57
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I'm not a Rush fan, so I'm not going to open that.
40:00
SPEAKER_02: But I have all kinds of shit like that, man.
40:03
SPEAKER_02: I got books.
40:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm looking right over there.
40:04
SPEAKER_02: I got a Black Sabbath book over there, and I've got another Rush book over there.
40:10
SPEAKER_02: Jeez, man.
40:12
SPEAKER_02: I have the great Bob Nowbandian stuff sitting right here.
40:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm constantly with stuff, dude.
40:20
SPEAKER_02: There's constant.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: Here's Inside Metal.
40:23
SPEAKER_02: Oops.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: Nice, yeah.
40:25
SPEAKER_02: There's the Inside Metal that I appeared on, which I'm most, most, most thankful for.
40:31
SPEAKER_02: I've got the Hillbilly Hot Rods, in case anybody's wondering where they were.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: I don't even know, it's just junk.
40:41
SPEAKER_02: But over there,
40:42
SPEAKER_02: we interviewed that Knuckle Bones,
40:45
SPEAKER_02: the guy that owns Knuckle Bones, and he sent me one.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: He sent me the Pantera Skull.
40:51
SPEAKER_00: I think I remember you told me that.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: You did some years ago, right?
40:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hold on.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: I'll grab it.
40:55
SPEAKER_00: It's right here.
40:55
SPEAKER_00: I'm coming right back.
40:57
I'm
41:00
not going
41:07
SPEAKER_02: for my fan.
41:11
SPEAKER_02: All right.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right here.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: Look at that.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
41:17
SPEAKER_02: And everybody's still in the box.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: Dude, and these things are collector's item stuff.
41:21
SPEAKER_00: This isn't just like a vinyl record.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean, these are like... Dude, this thing here sells
41:26
SPEAKER_02: for like 200 bucks.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying, man.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: All right, looking good.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: All right, now we're back.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: What the hell?
41:33
SPEAKER_02: I have no idea what happened there.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, one of the guys said, blame it on the knuckle bones guy.
41:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's his fault.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: All right, let's talk about one or two more things and get out of here.
41:45
SPEAKER_02: All right,
41:46
SPEAKER_00: sounds good.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: All right, one of the stories that really...
41:50
SPEAKER_02: That bugged me this week was,
41:53
SPEAKER_02: and it's one that shouldn't bug me at all because it's kind of a band that I,
41:57
SPEAKER_02: I like this band, but I don't like them anymore.
42:01
SPEAKER_02: I guess it's the best way to put it.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: Stone Temple Pilots.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: You got Eric Kretz out there and he's talking about how AI is going to ruin rock songwriting.
42:18
Mm-hmm.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: And We all know,
42:22
SPEAKER_02: let's not be dumb here,
42:24
SPEAKER_02: we all absolutely know that these guys are, you know, that they're
42:34
SPEAKER_02: using it.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying they're using it fully,
42:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying that they're writing all their material with it or anything like
42:41
SPEAKER_02: that.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: But I am going to say they are very clearly using it for ideas.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: They're using Suno for song structures just to kind of get some ideas and some vibes
42:54
SPEAKER_02: or whatever, because it's easier.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's easier for them to use it.
43:01
SPEAKER_02: That being said, this guy needs to shut the fuck up.
43:07
SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to tell you why.
43:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
43:09
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
43:10
SPEAKER_02: Why the hell is the guy from Stone Temple Pilots,
43:14
SPEAKER_02: a band that lost their core songwriting guy,
43:19
SPEAKER_02: why is he the one that's bitching about this?
43:22
SPEAKER_02: If anything,
43:23
SPEAKER_02: by his own admission of using something else to write their songs,
43:28
SPEAKER_02: he literally should just quit the business.
43:31
SPEAKER_02: Because Scott Weiland was the lyrical guy for that band.
43:38
SPEAKER_02: So having this new guy that sounds like him, but clearly doesn't write with him.
43:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, how many people bought Perdito or whatever that record was called?
43:48
SPEAKER_00: Did you even know that existed?
43:49
SPEAKER_00: No, of course not.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
43:53
SPEAKER_02: Why is this guy talking about this shit?
43:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean...
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Because it's what everyone wants to talk about now.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean, pretty much, right?
44:04
SPEAKER_00: It's just everybody wants to bitch about AI now, that it's worrying everything.
44:10
SPEAKER_00: And look, I mean, again,
44:12
SPEAKER_00: it's one of those things,
44:12
SPEAKER_00: like you said, whether, I mean, if they put a new album out, no one cares.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: So even if it's worrying, okay, is it?
44:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know what you're getting at.
44:21
SPEAKER_00: And I agree.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: It's just like, look, I'm just sick of everyone just bitching and bitching about AI.
44:26
SPEAKER_00: Look, it's like anything, right?
44:28
SPEAKER_00: We're all like...
44:30
SPEAKER_00: Do I think it's great for songwriting?
44:32
SPEAKER_00: No.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we did that thing a few years ago when we did an episode of Aftershocks.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: You did it right on the show.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: We've created a song on Suno, I think it was, within like 15 seconds.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: And it came out, it shot out two songs that were like, whoa, it's pretty decent quality, right?
44:49
SPEAKER_00: And it's scary.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: But again...
44:54
SPEAKER_00: Listen, I'm hoping what this does,
44:57
SPEAKER_00: and I know it's a bitch to do this stuff,
45:00
SPEAKER_00: the analog and the tapes and everything, but that sounds nothing like the digital.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: So now you can record digitally.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: It sounds like everything else.
45:11
SPEAKER_00: And AI can put out a song and you'll have no idea.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:15
SPEAKER_00: So, yes, I mean, again, I'm just tired of hearing the bitching about AI.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: And you're right.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, part of me is like, no,
45:23
SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's like,
45:23
SPEAKER_00: it's not that big a deal, you know, in terms of people complaining about it.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: I understand these old heads,
45:28
SPEAKER_00: you know, they're just, like you said, I think you sent me something about it.
45:32
SPEAKER_00: Do you think he's just doing this to kind of, We'll see you next time.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: And people could, I think, tell the difference between a, I hope they can.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess it's too early to tell.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: But between a great song and one that's just an average one on AI,
46:06
SPEAKER_00: I still don't think it's going to replace great songwriting.
46:09
SPEAKER_00: See, I think it might.
46:10
SPEAKER_02: I think it honestly might.
46:11
SPEAKER_02: You think so, huh?
46:12
SPEAKER_02: I do.
46:12
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it can.
46:13
SPEAKER_02: You know,
46:14
SPEAKER_02: I forget who I was talking to,
46:15
SPEAKER_02: but I was talking to somebody and we got into a deep discussion about AI music.
46:21
SPEAKER_02: It was a band guy.
46:22
SPEAKER_02: And somebody might have listened to it if you did tell me who it was.
46:26
SPEAKER_02: But we got talking to it and they made a great point to me.
46:30
SPEAKER_02: And it's a point that I had not thought of.
46:33
SPEAKER_02: The big bitch about AI music right now is that it's too perfect.
46:38
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
46:39
SPEAKER_02: It's just, it's too clean.
46:40
SPEAKER_02: It's too perfect.
46:41
SPEAKER_02: Everything sounds like a Mutt Lang production.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: How long is it going to be before they start learning how to do the imperfections?
46:53
SPEAKER_02: And then we get into another,
46:56
SPEAKER_02: then you're really talking about how is it going to be,
46:59
SPEAKER_02: how are you going to, what gives music its life right now is the imperfections.
47:07
SPEAKER_02: But we're already at the point where we're cleaning that out in the studio
47:13
SPEAKER_00: as much as we can.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: It's been like that for years.
47:17
SPEAKER_02: But what does that tell you?
47:18
SPEAKER_02: Because nobody's buying any music.
47:20
SPEAKER_02: It's going to go the other way.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
47:23
SPEAKER_00: I think it's going to be beneficial in the long run because people,
47:29
SPEAKER_00: when they can't tell the difference, right?
47:31
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
47:32
SPEAKER_00: But again,
47:32
SPEAKER_00: that's why I was talking about going back to recording in a different way,
47:36
SPEAKER_00: doing it the old school way.
47:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know it's longer, it's arduous, no one wants to cut tape up anymore.
47:42
SPEAKER_00: But again,
47:43
SPEAKER_00: there was a band a handful of years ago,
47:45
SPEAKER_00: they were called the Greybathers, I remember.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: They were just a stoner rock band.
47:48
SPEAKER_00: It was a band I interviewed and stuff.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: And they put out a really, really awesome record.
47:53
SPEAKER_00: They have like an old school kind of Zeppelin sound.
47:56
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
47:57
SPEAKER_00: And they did it.
47:58
SPEAKER_00: They went down.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: They're from Philadelphia.
48:00
SPEAKER_00: They went down to Nashville.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: They did the whole process.
48:03
SPEAKER_00: And the guy said, he's like, I don't think I'll ever do that again because it's just so hard.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: It's just a lot of time consuming.
48:09
SPEAKER_00: But that's what I think it needs to go back to.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: It can't be this easy one, two, three way of making music.
48:17
SPEAKER_00: I want to hear stuff like that again.
48:18
SPEAKER_00: Like you said, nothing is floating my boat with this digital shit.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: It's still because it's
48:25
SPEAKER_02: brand new, though.
48:26
SPEAKER_02: I mean, realistically, I know it's been around, what, three or four years at this point?
48:31
SPEAKER_02: That is baby band at this point.
48:34
SPEAKER_02: Think about, I mean, what makes a good song?
48:38
SPEAKER_02: Generally, it's about some sort of a human experience.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: It's about my girlfriend dumped me,
48:44
SPEAKER_02: my dog died, you know, the world sucks, politics sucks, whatever it is.
48:50
SPEAKER_02: It's real emotion getting put into the song, which generally makes a good song.
48:58
SPEAKER_02: Well, I am telling you for a fact.
49:00
SPEAKER_02: I don't know about the music part of it yet, but there's a program out there.
49:04
SPEAKER_02: Sue knows the one everybody knows, but there's a free one if anybody wants to use it.
49:08
SPEAKER_02: It's called Treblo.
49:09
SPEAKER_02: T-R-E-B-L-O.
49:10
SPEAKER_02: That's what I did the opening to the show tonight with, Treblo.
49:13
SPEAKER_02: And I literally...
49:15
SPEAKER_02: Now, I didn't dig into it too much.
49:17
SPEAKER_02: I literally told it, I want something that sounds like classic 80s metal.
49:25
SPEAKER_02: And here's the story.
49:26
SPEAKER_02: And the story I told it was that we're going to do a silly show tonight.
49:33
SPEAKER_02: Neely's out chasing Dokken at a Dokken show.
49:36
SPEAKER_02: So he's not here, but Chris is going to do like a drinking show.
49:41
SPEAKER_02: And Jim Florentine's going to come on and Monty Colvin's going to come on.
49:45
SPEAKER_02: That's kind of what I told it.
49:46
SPEAKER_02: And I told it your name and whatever.
49:47
SPEAKER_02: I told it just a couple of points.
49:49
SPEAKER_02: I did not spend more than a minute on it.
49:52
SPEAKER_02: And I shit out the song and it was pretty darn decent.
49:55
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't awful.
49:57
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
49:59
SPEAKER_01: Yo, metalheads, you ready to get your brains blown off?
50:03
SPEAKER_01: Blizzard of Oz is now on vinyl, baby.
50:06
SPEAKER_01: Randy Rhoades ripping faces off with those insane solos.
50:10
SPEAKER_01: Crazy Train blasting through your speakers like a freight train from hell.
50:15
SPEAKER_01: This ain't some lame stream.
50:17
SPEAKER_01: This is the real deal on wax.
50:19
SPEAKER_01: Loud as hell and twice as evil.
50:22
SPEAKER_01: Links at the bottom of the screen.
50:24
SPEAKER_01: Buy the Blizzard of Oz vinyl and let it take you on a trip.
50:31
SPEAKER_02: What would happen if I took that song?
50:35
SPEAKER_02: And I really, let's say I put five hours into it, just five hours.
50:40
SPEAKER_02: And I really refined it.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: And I listened to it and I said, you know what?
50:44
SPEAKER_02: This isn't quite telling the story I want to tell.
50:47
SPEAKER_02: What I really want to tell is that Neely's at a concert in Toledo, Ohio tonight.
50:55
SPEAKER_02: And we're not going to do a drinking show.
50:57
SPEAKER_02: We're going to do a talking all about music show or something like,
51:01
SPEAKER_02: you know, I could, if I took a few hours, And really messed with it.
51:08
SPEAKER_02: I could make a really good song out of it.
51:11
SPEAKER_02: I could.
51:12
SPEAKER_02: And then once I have the lyrical part together,
51:16
SPEAKER_02: then I could go right back in and say, you know what?
51:19
SPEAKER_02: This needs more of a hook.
51:20
SPEAKER_02: Or it needs more of a guitar solo.
51:22
SPEAKER_02: Or it needs a different tone.
51:25
SPEAKER_02: It needs to be down tuned to D instead of C sharp.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: Just work it a lot.
51:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:31
SPEAKER_02: But in the time...
51:35
SPEAKER_02: I truly believe even with this shit at the infantile level that it is right now,
51:40
SPEAKER_02: I could produce something quality in five to ten hours.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay, but here's the thing.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: You're talking about like an intro song to something.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: I think we're... Yeah,
51:53
SPEAKER_02: go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
51:54
SPEAKER_00: No, I was going to say, well, I'm going to go back to Eric Criss.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: I think he's talking about like,
51:58
SPEAKER_00: you know, again, you're going to have to eventually play this stuff live.
52:02
SPEAKER_00: So, for instance,
52:03
SPEAKER_00: you can create,
52:05
SPEAKER_00: you know,
52:06
SPEAKER_00: sooner or whatever it is,
52:07
SPEAKER_00: you know,
52:07
SPEAKER_00: all right,
52:07
SPEAKER_00: give me some leads that sound like,
52:10
SPEAKER_00: you know, some virtuoso type of Eddie Van Halen type of things, right?
52:13
SPEAKER_00: All right.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: And a band can do that.
52:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:16
SPEAKER_00: But they're not going to be able to replicate that live.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: They're not going to be able to prove that they can do stuff.
52:21
SPEAKER_02: I think live music is on its way out.
52:24
SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to tell you why I think it's on its way.
52:26
SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: Well, there's reasons.
52:28
SPEAKER_00: I can see what you're saying.
52:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, the venues are closing left and right.
52:30
SPEAKER_00: Well, the venues are closing left and right.
52:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:33
SPEAKER_02: We literally have a term for it now because nobody's going, Blue Dot Fever.
52:38
SPEAKER_02: Nobody's willing to go.
52:39
SPEAKER_02: They're charging too much for it.
52:42
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
52:42
SPEAKER_02: And the big one that no one is talking about,
52:46
SPEAKER_02: you know who the number one investor is in all of these fucking...
52:52
SPEAKER_02: What do you want to call them?
52:53
SPEAKER_02: Avatar type things, the Kiss thing and the ABBA and all that.
52:57
SPEAKER_02: You know who's the number one company pumping money into that?
53:01
SPEAKER_02: Live Nation.
53:05
SPEAKER_02: Why are they pumping money into it?
53:07
SPEAKER_00: Well, we know.
53:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
53:09
SPEAKER_02: Because they're looking at the future.
53:12
SPEAKER_02: They're looking at their survival.
53:14
SPEAKER_02: They're looking at,
53:16
SPEAKER_02: and say what you will about it,
53:18
SPEAKER_02: that ABBA show, if you're into ABBA, that looks fucking good.
53:22
SPEAKER_02: That looks really good.
53:25
SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure the Kiss thing is going to be really good after they spent two years working on it.
53:31
SPEAKER_02: I think it's going to be good.
53:33
SPEAKER_00: I think for us, we're too old to give a fuck about this shit.
53:39
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's it.
53:40
SPEAKER_00: True.
53:41
SPEAKER_00: My thing is, again,
53:45
SPEAKER_00: that's why the whole vinyl industry is blowing up now and everyone wants old records
53:49
SPEAKER_00: because they know they're real.
53:51
SPEAKER_00: And there's a real emotion.
53:52
SPEAKER_00: There's real everything in them.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: And that's why people are still seeing,
53:55
SPEAKER_00: as we talked about earlier in the show,
53:56
SPEAKER_00: still seeing these guys that are playing deep purple at 80 years old.
54:00
SPEAKER_00: Because, yeah, you can't trust it.
54:01
SPEAKER_00: And here's the thing.
54:02
SPEAKER_00: With music, I mean, in terms of lyrics and in terms of what hasn't been done yet anyway.
54:07
SPEAKER_00: Everything's been done.
54:08
SPEAKER_02: Everything's been done.
54:09
SPEAKER_02: Think about this, though.
54:10
SPEAKER_02: Think about this, though.
54:13
SPEAKER_02: So let's say, forget us, because we're all going to drop dead before this matters.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:18
SPEAKER_02: But let's take a 20-year-old something-something,
54:21
SPEAKER_02: 25-year-old kid that listened to their dad's record collection growing up,
54:25
SPEAKER_02: and they're a big Pink Floyd fan.
54:29
SPEAKER_02: Didn't Pink Floyd sell their catalog?
54:32
SPEAKER_00: I believe they did.
54:33
SPEAKER_02: So Pink Floyd sold their catalog.
54:36
SPEAKER_02: Now you can take that catalog,
54:38
SPEAKER_02: you can voice print everything,
54:40
SPEAKER_02: you can sound print everything,
54:42
SPEAKER_02: the drums, the keys, the bass, the You know, the guitar.
54:45
SPEAKER_02: You can have a David Gilmore sound.
54:47
SPEAKER_02: You can have all that shit.
54:49
SPEAKER_02: They own the likeness to it.
54:50
SPEAKER_02: Do you really think that they did that so that they can get a song or two into
54:53
SPEAKER_02: a movie or a commercial?
54:54
SPEAKER_00: Oh, of course not.
54:55
SPEAKER_02: They're on board with Ticketmaster or Live Nation.
55:01
SPEAKER_02: They're on board with putting out new music that the 20-year-old
55:08
SPEAKER_02: that doesn't know shit about going to shows or limited about going to shows...
55:14
SPEAKER_02: Would much rather,
55:15
SPEAKER_02: I know Oculus kind of played itself out because it was big and stupid,
55:19
SPEAKER_02: but they're going to find a way like with the meta glasses or whatever to put
55:23
SPEAKER_02: that shit in your eyes.
55:26
SPEAKER_02: And hold on, before you say that's crazy.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure, sure.
55:30
SPEAKER_02: Almost every kid from 15 to 25 would much rather play their fucking computers
55:37
SPEAKER_02: and talk to their friends on the internet than in person.
55:42
SPEAKER_02: Almost all of them.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: Well, here's my thing.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to disagree because,
55:48
SPEAKER_00: listen, that whole Oculus type of thing, no one uses that shit anymore.
55:52
SPEAKER_00: Now, remember, I have one of those.
55:54
SPEAKER_00: It played itself out because it was.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: It bombed.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: It was fast.
55:57
SPEAKER_02: It was too big, though.
55:58
SPEAKER_02: It's because it was too big and it looks stupid.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: I really, I don't know, man.
56:03
SPEAKER_00: I think it's, I don't, it did look stupid.
56:06
SPEAKER_00: It was ridiculous.
56:07
SPEAKER_00: But I just think people, even these youngsters, I think are rejecting that.
56:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
56:13
SPEAKER_00: you have a lot of youngsters that are rejecting AI that don't even really know
56:17
SPEAKER_00: that much about it, but they kind of, I mean, I'm just going to use some people.
56:20
SPEAKER_00: My daughter's always talking about anti-AI stuff,
56:23
SPEAKER_00: even though she probably doesn't really grasp what it is about.
56:26
SPEAKER_00: So I don't think so.
56:28
SPEAKER_00: I think, I have, let's just put it this way, I have hope.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: Because I think there was at one point things were looking like it was going to be like that.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: Everyone was going to be fucking walking around in a mask and looking through,
56:39
SPEAKER_00: like you said, in the eyes, the whole Oculus thing.
56:42
SPEAKER_00: That thing got shut down pretty fast, man.
56:44
SPEAKER_00: That didn't even last a few years.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: That thing was done in months.
56:47
SPEAKER_00: How about though,
56:48
SPEAKER_02: do you think,
56:50
SPEAKER_02: and again, I'm reaching on this a little bit, but I just am thinking of the ideas.
56:55
SPEAKER_02: Let's take a band like Kiss.
56:57
SPEAKER_02: Because we know Kiss is investing in the Avatar world.
57:01
SPEAKER_02: Maybe instead of it being an Oculus,
57:04
SPEAKER_02: maybe it's a 3D light show,
57:06
SPEAKER_02: like a 3D projector type of a thing that's not on a wall anymore,
57:12
SPEAKER_02: that you put in the middle of your room and it puts up a stage
57:15
SPEAKER_02: and they're dancing around your stage.
57:17
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, man.
57:19
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
57:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
57:22
SPEAKER_02: And I could just be crazy,
57:24
SPEAKER_02: but I just think that And again,
57:28
SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at it from the dollars and cents, not as fans.
57:31
SPEAKER_02: No, sure.
57:32
SPEAKER_02: But think about Kiss.
57:36
SPEAKER_02: If you could buy the Dynasty tour,
57:39
SPEAKER_02: the Rock and Roll Over tour,
57:41
SPEAKER_02: the Hot in the Shade tour,
57:44
SPEAKER_02: you could buy all these different tours that have different lineups and stuff,
57:48
SPEAKER_02: and instead of selling quote-unquote new,
57:51
SPEAKER_02: you can sell They're looking for a way to replace CD sales or album sales.
57:59
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
58:11
SPEAKER_02: And they're going to find a way somewhere with this.
58:14
SPEAKER_02: They are not spending this much money on these fucking sounds.
58:19
SPEAKER_00: Well, they're doing it because I think things are getting bad.
58:22
SPEAKER_00: I really do, man.
58:24
SPEAKER_00: Here's the thing.
58:24
SPEAKER_00: Live Nation still has to make money how?
58:26
SPEAKER_00: From live music.
58:28
SPEAKER_00: What kid?
58:30
SPEAKER_00: These kids aren't going to care about.
58:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, listen, they're already liking.
58:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're not just going to only listen to stuff that we grew up with
58:36
SPEAKER_00: and our parents grew up with.
58:37
SPEAKER_02: No, they're going to listen to it.
58:38
SPEAKER_00: They're going to want their own shit.
58:40
SPEAKER_00: That's the one thing they don't have right now is they don't have their own stuff.
58:43
SPEAKER_00: Everything is nostalgic.
58:45
SPEAKER_00: These kids are growing up with old bands, but they're going to want newer stuff.
58:51
SPEAKER_00: These kids that are like 10 to 15 or whatever,
58:53
SPEAKER_00: when they're in their 20s, they're going to want their own things.
58:56
SPEAKER_00: They're going to want to watch their own bands.
59:00
SPEAKER_00: Every generation has to have that.
59:01
SPEAKER_00: Even the generation now,
59:04
SPEAKER_00: we don't like it because,
59:05
SPEAKER_00: yeah, it's gotten so about politics and everything like that.
59:08
SPEAKER_00: It's more about social stuff than it is about the music,
59:12
SPEAKER_00: but they still have their own – I wouldn't say naive,
59:16
SPEAKER_00: but sometimes I would sit there.
59:17
SPEAKER_00: I did something on my podcast.
59:20
SPEAKER_00: I did this, talked about that there's no new bands, all this stuff.
59:24
SPEAKER_00: There's so many of these younger fans that are like, what are you talking about?
59:28
SPEAKER_00: This band sold out this or like a sleep token type of band.
59:31
SPEAKER_00: See, that's what I'm worried about.
59:33
SPEAKER_00: My concern is more like the stuff like the Sphere in Vegas and like the sleep tokens
59:38
SPEAKER_00: where – You put people in masks and you don't see their faces
59:43
SPEAKER_00: and you don't even have to see them, but you think they're a real band.
59:46
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's my thing is these faceless bands.
59:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
59:50
SPEAKER_00: Because those could be completely just robots.
59:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you don't know when they're up there on stage.
59:54
SPEAKER_00: You have no idea.
59:54
SPEAKER_02: And there's, like I said, president is another one.
59:57
SPEAKER_02: Nobody knows who those guys are.
59:59
SPEAKER_00: And those guys, I mean, it was like that band.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_00: It was like they didn't even play the show.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_00: And now they're on the Aftershock Festival for the first show ever.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, what a joke.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_00: So those are the place bands I think they're test running this stuff with.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_00: I do.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_02: Could be.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_00: Just my two cents.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_00: But I think you can't replace human connection.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_00: I know they're trying so hard.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_00: To me,
1:00:23
SPEAKER_00: the Oculus thing was a huge victory in terms of a failure of it because I was like,
1:00:26
SPEAKER_00: this just can't really happen.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_00: And that got done really fast.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_00: And it's
1:00:32
SPEAKER_02: surprising that it did because they did it in the right market, which was gaming.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_02: If it was going to hit, it would have hit in the gaming market.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_00: And they did it during COVID when everyone was home.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_00: And it didn't work.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_00: Nobody
1:00:44
SPEAKER_02: wanted it.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_02: I think we are done, man.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_02: Believe it or not, we went all the way to 3 a.m. here on this coast.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_02: Oh, nice.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, it is.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_02: Midnight, your coast.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_02: We even talked about it before.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_02: We were like, eh, if we get four
1:00:56
SPEAKER_00: hours, that'll be good.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_00: No, you know us, we have phone calls for five hours.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_00: I know, it's true.
1:01:02
SPEAKER_00: Do you know?
1:01:02
SPEAKER_00: It's true.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_00: So it's easy for us.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_00: We could just keep doing this stuff forever.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, man, well, thanks for having me on, brother.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_00: This was a lot of fun.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_02: This was a lot of fun.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_00: A lot of fun, man.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's great talking to Jim and Monty.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
1:01:15
SPEAKER_00: like you said,
1:01:16
SPEAKER_00: I would,
1:01:16
SPEAKER_00: anytime Neely is out and doing docking runs,
1:01:19
SPEAKER_00: man, you know, If you need someone to shoot the shit with, I'm always here.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_02: And I love doing these.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is a rare one where I didn't get all fucked up and get all completely stupid.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_02: But, you know, I love just doing these shows where I can just talk about music.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_02: And not that I can't with Neely, but we kind of, that's just a different, it's a different show.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_02: It's a different
1:01:41
SPEAKER_00: thing you guys do.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
1:01:43
SPEAKER_00: It's a different show.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_02: But this was fun.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_02: And we talked pretty much all music all night, which that's always good.
1:01:48
SPEAKER_02: So.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, for everybody, make sure you check out Heart of the Matter, H-A-R-T-O, the matter.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: It's out there.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_02: It's .com and it's on every platform on demand.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_02: It's on all those channels, exactly.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so check it out.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_02: Make sure.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_02: Give Matt a like and a subscribe and a follow and a comment.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_02: Please, please, please.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_00: No, it's great.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_00: I've been looking at the chat board, too.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's just, you know, let's say some people had a good time.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_00: So I'm hoping I didn't bore people and I at least did,
1:02:22
SPEAKER_00: you know, did a little justice for Neely while I was gone.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_00: That's all I can do.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
1:02:26
SPEAKER_00: it was fun.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_02: And we'll definitely do it again because I'm sure Neely will be out with Dokken again.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_02: There's no shortage
1:02:33
SPEAKER_01: of those shows.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_02: You know, but he'll be back next week as far as I know.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_02: And short of me dying, I'll be back next week.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_02: So let's hope we're back next week.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_02: And again, thank you so much to Jim Florentine and to Monty Colvin for coming on tonight.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_02: And thank you guys for listening.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_02: You know, I never know how these shows are going to do.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_02: And I watched the numbers on the live stream all night.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_02: We were all through the whole night.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_02: We were in between about 120 to 150, which is just about what we normally do.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_02: So it was cool.
1:03:06
SPEAKER_02: So very good stuff.
1:03:08
SPEAKER_02: Thank you, everybody, for watching, for listening.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_02: God knows how I'm going to cut this thing up and put it together.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_00: I know.
1:03:16
SPEAKER_02: We did some odd timing things here.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_02: Timing, totally.
1:03:21
SPEAKER_02: The third segment was two hours with the box stuff and the Jim Florentine.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm not putting all of that behind the paywall.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm just not doing that.
1:03:29
SPEAKER_02: I'll figure it out.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_02: I am going to tell everybody one thing, though, that are the locals people.
1:03:35
SPEAKER_02: Just a show note.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_02: This is probably not going to be done at 1.30 in the morning or in
1:03:40
SPEAKER_02: the afternoon tomorrow because I'm going to bed.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm tired.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_02: I took a gummy beforehand, and I'm a little groggy.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you did, huh?
1:03:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I did.
1:03:50
SPEAKER_02: I wasn't kidding when I said at the beginning.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_02: I took a gummy.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to get a little bit loose because I got a little tense before the show tonight.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why, but...
1:03:58
SPEAKER_02: You know,
1:03:59
SPEAKER_02: just a lot of,
1:04:00
SPEAKER_02: you know,
1:04:01
SPEAKER_02: you get in that headspace of all, when you're doing things you don't normally do.
1:04:05
SPEAKER_02: You know,
1:04:06
SPEAKER_02: and I'm running music tonight and guests,
1:04:08
SPEAKER_02: and we don't normally do guests on the CMS anymore.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I just was like really, I needed a mellow out, so I took a mellow out.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_00: So you should be good to go.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, how long ago did you take that?
1:04:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, six hours.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_02: It's way more off at
1:04:23
SPEAKER_00: this point.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_00: I was going to say.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_00: But I'm tired.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_02: But now I'm tired, you know, because I need to go to sleep.
1:04:30
SPEAKER_02: So you might get it a little later tomorrow.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_00: I just wanted to say to check out Monty Colvin, too, the broadcast.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_02: Yes, Monty's broadcast is great.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_00: And he just dropped one that's real, a personal one.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: It's really, he got very vulnerable on it and kind of bared his soul on that one.
1:04:51
SPEAKER_00: So that's really interesting.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_00: I haven't heard that
1:04:53
SPEAKER_02: one yet.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm a little behind.
1:04:55
SPEAKER_02: And of course, Jim Florentine's podcast, he's just one of us.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_02: He just hates the world just like we do.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_02: That one is called Everybody is Awful.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_02: Check that one out.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_02: And that's that.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_02: We are going to get the fuck out of here.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to leave you guys nice and peaceful,
1:05:13
SPEAKER_02: as Neely likes to say, with, what am I leaving you with that is peaceful?
1:05:19
SPEAKER_02: Nothing.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_02: You are being left with the soothing sounds of divine heresy.
1:05:27
SPEAKER_02: This is failed creation.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_02: And until next week, everybody, peace, war, and go fuck yourself.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_02: See ya.
1:05:49
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