Latest / The Week in Bible Prophecy / Prophetic Cultural Changes | Mike Spaulding
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- 0:01Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy a Prophecy Watchers Podcast.
- 0:08Speaker 2: Welcome to the program today, Martundas here in studio, but
- 0:11Speaker 2: a have through Skype doctor Mike Spaulding all the way
- 0:15Speaker 2: from Ohio.
- 0:16Speaker 3: Tell me where you're at.
- 0:18Speaker 1: Hi, Mondo. Thank you so much for the opportunity to
- 0:20Speaker 1: be here with you on this podcast, Prophecy Watchers. So
- 0:25Speaker 1: I am in Ohio, Lima, Ohio to be specific, West
- 0:28Speaker 1: central Ohio, centrally located between Detroit, Columbus, Cincinnati, and Indianapolis.
- 0:35Speaker 1: So we're out in the boondocks as they call it
- 0:38Speaker 1: out in the country, very rural here. Lima is only
- 0:41Speaker 1: maybe thirty five thousand folks, so compared to Oklahoma City
- 0:45Speaker 1: and some other places, we're just tiny.
- 0:47Speaker 3: But yeah, well very good.
- 0:48Speaker 2: Well, you know, for those are our audience that might
- 0:50Speaker 2: not know about you, kind of give us a little
- 0:52Speaker 2: little bio of yourself.
- 0:53Speaker 1: A pastor church here in Lima, Cavary Chapel of Lima.
- 0:58Speaker 1: I know there are cavalry chapels out there Oklahoma fact
- 1:01Speaker 1: all over the place these days. But very blessed to
- 1:05Speaker 1: be pastoring over twenty seven years now in this location.
- 1:11Speaker 1: I married married to my wonderful wife Kathy. Over forty
- 1:15Speaker 1: one years, we've got four grown daughters, seven grandchildren, and
- 1:19Speaker 1: two great grandchildren. Now and as you already know, I
- 1:25Speaker 1: spend a lot of time writing, a lot of time teaching,
- 1:28Speaker 1: speaking of conferences, writing, and my most recent book you have.
- 1:34Speaker 1: In fact, I sent a copy of that to you
- 1:37Speaker 1: and you were kind enough to read it. So that's
- 1:40Speaker 1: a little bit about me and what's going on here,
- 1:42Speaker 1: you know.
- 1:43Speaker 2: And one of the things that people ask me all
- 1:46Speaker 2: the time is what can I do to recommend a
- 1:51Speaker 2: Revelation commentary? And then lo and behold, just a few
- 1:54Speaker 2: weeks ago, I get your book on my desk, which
- 1:57Speaker 2: was awesome, so kind of for the audience. I mean,
- 1:59Speaker 2: I know, well, people really want to know. I want
- 2:02Speaker 2: a commentary on the book Revelation, and so talk about
- 2:05Speaker 2: this new book that you got.
- 2:06Speaker 1: Yeah, so thank you for mentioning that. Mondo the commentary
- 2:11Speaker 1: on Revelation. Three years in the process of writing that out.
- 2:16Speaker 1: And what I'll let folks know right now is I
- 2:20Speaker 1: write this out to coincide with teaching. So I talked
- 2:25Speaker 1: through the Book of Revelation recently just completed. It took
- 2:30Speaker 1: three years to teach through it. So I'm writing as
- 2:33Speaker 1: I'm teaching. A lot of research went into that over
- 2:38Speaker 1: it's about six hundred and fifty pages, eight and a
- 2:42Speaker 1: half by eleven, by the way, Mondo, not the six
- 2:45Speaker 1: by nine short little book, big book, the big and
- 2:49Speaker 1: I find I like that format because it gives plenty
- 2:53Speaker 1: of margin space. People like to read underline, highlight, take notes,
- 2:58Speaker 1: and do all of that stuff. And from what I've seen,
- 3:01Speaker 1: people are gravitating towards that. So a lot extensive research
- 3:06Speaker 1: mentioned a lot of folks that your audience is familiar
- 3:10Speaker 1: with as references and the works that they do. And
- 3:14Speaker 1: it's a deep dive onto six over six hundred pages.
- 3:18Speaker 1: Again is a deep dive of twenty two chapters. You
- 3:21Speaker 1: can do the math that comes out to quite a
- 3:24Speaker 1: number of pages per chapter. But I find that people
- 3:27Speaker 1: want to know that today we need to get passed
- 3:31Speaker 1: the cursory view and study and the high points and
- 3:35Speaker 1: get let's dig in to what it actually says. So
- 3:39Speaker 1: I think people will be blessed if they'll take the
- 3:42Speaker 1: time to acquire this commentary and spend some time studying
- 3:46Speaker 1: with it. I think they're going to learn a lot.
- 3:48Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean there is an increase, which I appreciate.
- 3:53Speaker 2: I know you do too, of interest that as the
- 3:57Speaker 2: word is getting out there, and as you mentioned, and
- 4:00Speaker 2: we see this, there's a lot of there's a lot
- 4:02Speaker 2: of interest in podcasters.
- 4:03Speaker 3: Now you have so much you.
- 4:06Speaker 2: Know, everybody becomes becoming a podcaster, which is great in
- 4:09Speaker 2: some ways, But do you have God is raising up
- 4:13Speaker 2: people just people who are not necessarily full time pastors
- 4:16Speaker 2: or whatever, and they're just looking at their learning, they're growing,
- 4:20Speaker 2: they have channels, they're comparing with what we're seeing outside
- 4:23Speaker 2: in the world with solid scripture, and so the word
- 4:27Speaker 2: is getting out there, and so I think it's great
- 4:29Speaker 2: when not a lot of them write books, and so
- 4:32Speaker 2: when you have an opportunity for someone like yourself to
- 4:35Speaker 2: write a book or a commentary in this case on
- 4:37Speaker 2: the Book Revelation, that is very people are eagerly looking
- 4:40Speaker 2: for that, and so I think it's awesome.
- 4:43Speaker 1: You're right, Mando. I agree. This is a good time
- 4:48Speaker 1: in especially American history, what's going on right now in
- 4:51Speaker 1: this nation for us to be doing a study through
- 4:54Speaker 1: the Book of Revelation, because it's so pertinent to where
- 4:57Speaker 1: we're at today. And again, I don't write to sell books.
- 5:01Speaker 1: That isn't the purpose. The purpose is to build up
- 5:04Speaker 1: the Body of Christ, to equip them to understand what
- 5:07Speaker 1: the scripture says. They know where we're at on God's
- 5:10Speaker 1: timeline because we're headed in a direction. It's very clear
- 5:13Speaker 1: to me the direction that we're headed and the events
- 5:17Speaker 1: that we see transpiring today and especially in the last
- 5:19Speaker 1: couple of years, are right out of the Book of Revelation,
- 5:23Speaker 1: right off of those pages. We can say this right here,
- 5:28Speaker 1: is that what the scripture talks about. So this would
- 5:31Speaker 1: be a good time to do a deep dive study
- 5:34Speaker 1: in the Book of Revelation.
- 5:36Speaker 3: You know that. I'm glad you brought that up.
- 5:37Speaker 2: It's a good segue into talking about the upcoming conference.
- 5:42Speaker 2: So I'm going to be joining you at the end
- 5:43Speaker 2: of this month. Can I share with our audience who's
- 5:46Speaker 2: going to be there, where's it at, how they get
- 5:48Speaker 2: more information?
- 5:49Speaker 1: Yeah, So thank you Mando for mentioning that conference Saturday,
- 5:53Speaker 1: September the twenty eighth, that's at the end of just
- 5:55Speaker 1: a couple of weeks away. Now, one day conference from
- 5:58Speaker 1: nine to five. We're going to welcome Patrick Wood, yourself,
- 6:04Speaker 1: John Haller, Pastor Barry Stagner many are familiar with with
- 6:09Speaker 1: Pastor Barry does a lot of work with a mere
- 6:12Speaker 1: pastor Jim Schweigert and myself. This is being hosted by
- 6:16Speaker 1: Harvest Revival Center in Brookville, Ohio. They have partnered with
- 6:21Speaker 1: us for our flagship conference go there for every July,
- 6:26Speaker 1: so are very grateful for them. If people want to register,
- 6:29Speaker 1: they can do that at the conference website. Go Therefore
- 6:33Speaker 1: conference dot com. Go Therefore conference dot com. More information
- 6:40Speaker 1: you can you can email us through the contact form,
- 6:42Speaker 1: happy to answer any questions. But again, live stream is available,
- 6:47Speaker 1: by the way. I know it's difficult for some people
- 6:49Speaker 1: to travel these days, but live stream is available as
- 6:52Speaker 1: well as in person registration, so you can do that
- 6:55Speaker 1: at the conference website.
- 6:57Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.
- 6:58Speaker 2: I want to bite everybody to join us there. It's
- 6:59Speaker 2: going to be a good time. And as you mentioned, it's.
- 7:03Speaker 3: You made a comment which I'd love to follow up on.
- 7:06Speaker 3: Is well.
- 7:08Speaker 2: I want to get into some other details too, but
- 7:10Speaker 2: just in general, you made a comment that what is
- 7:14Speaker 2: coming over the next few years, and you know, in general,
- 7:19Speaker 2: what is that? I mean, let's talk about that for
- 7:21Speaker 2: a minute. What is coming over the next few years?
- 7:23Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's really something that we need to be
- 7:27Speaker 1: paying attention to. Mondo and ten fifteen years ago, it
- 7:32Speaker 1: was for some of us, those of us who had
- 7:34Speaker 1: eyes to see, ears to hear, we saw it on
- 7:37Speaker 1: the horizon and we thought, Wow, this looks like a
- 7:42Speaker 1: very formidable issue that we're going to have to address
- 7:46Speaker 1: as Christians, certainly as pastors and teachers and ministry leaders.
- 7:50Speaker 1: But what we saw coming then is here now, and
- 7:54Speaker 1: we see that all over the place. Censorship is off
- 7:58Speaker 1: the rails. Technocracy, as I mentioned earlier, technocracy, we see
- 8:05Speaker 1: it coming into focus now. Technocracy, by the way, for viewers,
- 8:09Speaker 1: is a belief that a nation or a government should
- 8:14Speaker 1: be composed or comprised of experts, and those experts should
- 8:19Speaker 1: not only set policy, but they should enforce policy. Now,
- 8:24Speaker 1: what's absent from that is liberty and freedom to elect
- 8:29Speaker 1: officials and to say no to things that we don't want.
- 8:33Speaker 1: That's not the plan for technocrats. They're going to force
- 8:37Speaker 1: us into their mold. Now that leads to all kinds
- 8:39Speaker 1: of things. Twenty twenty was a perfect example. The government
- 8:44Speaker 1: tried a strong arm with the aid of social media platforms,
- 8:50Speaker 1: tried to strong arm everybody into get in the so
- 8:54Speaker 1: called vaccine, so called that's just an example. Globalism is
- 9:03Speaker 1: on the rise, the one world government system is on
- 9:08Speaker 1: the rise, a new one world economic engine is on
- 9:15Speaker 1: the right. All of these things right now we're dealing
- 9:18Speaker 1: with this conference. I know these speakers are going to
- 9:21Speaker 1: touch on all of those things, but those are some
- 9:24Speaker 1: of the challenges that we see today. And listen. In
- 9:28Speaker 1: my view, Mondo, the issue is not that the government
- 9:36Speaker 1: is trying to The issue is they want to shut
- 9:40Speaker 1: down the gospel. That's that's the bottom line. They want
- 9:43Speaker 1: to they want to silence those of us who are
- 9:46Speaker 1: preaching the gospel because we understand that the the only
- 9:49Speaker 1: solution and the only answer to what's happening in our
- 9:53Speaker 1: world is Jesus Christ. It's it's not fighting. Yes, we
- 9:57Speaker 1: can stand and oppose it and do what we can
- 10:00Speaker 1: to avoid it or circumvent it. But at the end
- 10:02Speaker 1: of the day, we know what the scripture says, We've
- 10:05Speaker 1: read the Book of Revelation, we know what's coming. So
- 10:08Speaker 1: we need to prepare people in their eternal state. That's
- 10:12Speaker 1: the most important thing.
- 10:15Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question. You know what is
- 10:18Speaker 2: I think about this often that you talked about you
- 10:21Speaker 2: know George orwell and you know, you know this information
- 10:25Speaker 2: has been around a long time, right, I mean, he
- 10:28Speaker 2: wrote that book a long time ago. And why do
- 10:31Speaker 2: you think it is that even though it was written
- 10:34Speaker 2: for everybody to see and to know, and here we
- 10:37Speaker 2: are watching almost it's like a playbook coming into putting
- 10:42Speaker 2: it being put into place. What do you think is
- 10:45Speaker 2: the difference between let's say, our modern culture, American culture
- 10:51Speaker 2: and seventeen seventy six, you know, give me liberty or
- 10:55Speaker 2: give me death. I mean, that's a that's an amazing
- 10:57Speaker 2: culture of the revolution that happened.
- 11:00Speaker 3: Do we have that same culture even as Americans have?
- 11:03Speaker 3: We lost it?
- 11:03Speaker 2: I mean, is do you have people going around to
- 11:05Speaker 2: today saying give me liberty or give me death? I mean,
- 11:09Speaker 2: not that you can't find anybody, but does that categorize
- 11:12Speaker 2: our culture in general?
- 11:14Speaker 1: Yes, I think there's a big difference in the culture
- 11:17Speaker 1: the founding of our nation. Our forefathers they the famous
- 11:26Speaker 1: Boston tea Party that was all about taxes and they
- 11:32Speaker 1: just weren't going to stand for it, and they made
- 11:35Speaker 1: that well known to the British that they weren't going
- 11:40Speaker 1: to do that. Today, the culture is you have an
- 11:46Speaker 1: over well. I don't hesitate to calling an overwhelming majority,
- 11:50Speaker 1: but I think it's a majority of people that actually
- 11:54Speaker 1: trust the government, even after all their shenanigans in the
- 11:58Speaker 1: last few years. Trust the governor, believe everything that comes
- 12:01Speaker 1: out of their mouth. They look at government as the savior.
- 12:05Speaker 1: The government has the solution and answers everything we know.
- 12:09Speaker 1: That's not true. In fact, the opposite is true. I
- 12:12Speaker 1: think what's happened through the rise and use of technology Mondo,
- 12:18Speaker 1: is that people have just fallen into this self induced
- 12:25Speaker 1: slumber or coma. Through technology. They get everything they need
- 12:31Speaker 1: off of this thing right here. Their whole life revolves
- 12:34Speaker 1: around that thing, by the way, and it's really it's
- 12:38Speaker 1: a fulfilled prophecy. I remember reading years, probably thirty years
- 12:42Speaker 1: ago now, a book by the late Neil Postman that
- 12:45Speaker 1: was called Amusing Ourselves to Death, where he wouldn't call
- 12:50Speaker 1: it prophe saying I don't believe he was a believer,
- 12:53Speaker 1: but he said the day is coming when technology is
- 12:56Speaker 1: going to surround us and envelop us and place us
- 13:00Speaker 1: into a position or a frame of mind where everything
- 13:04Speaker 1: that we need to make us happy is going to
- 13:07Speaker 1: be available, and we won't concern ourselves about what's happening
- 13:11Speaker 1: in our world or this tightening of this dragnet over
- 13:17Speaker 1: a free society. I think we're there right now, and
- 13:21Speaker 1: that's why it's so important for pastors and ministry leaders
- 13:26Speaker 1: to stand up and speak about these things, teach people
- 13:30Speaker 1: about these things, what's happening and the dangers that Americans
- 13:35Speaker 1: are facing right now. Too few are doing that, but
- 13:38Speaker 1: thankfully there are ministries such as propsy Watchers, SkyWatch, others
- 13:44Speaker 1: I could name that are doing exactly that. And I'm
- 13:48Speaker 1: so thankful for friends that are in our circle that
- 13:53Speaker 1: we can collaborate with and work with to make sure
- 13:57Speaker 1: that the Body of Christ is equip for what we're
- 14:01Speaker 1: facing today.
- 14:02Speaker 3: You know, it's amazing when you think about just the language.
- 14:05Speaker 2: You know Paul in second tiventy three, you know, perilous
- 14:09Speaker 2: times will come, and one of the one of the
- 14:12Speaker 2: phrases he uses is you know they'll be lovers of pleasure.
- 14:16Speaker 2: And you know it's not only you know, in the
- 14:19Speaker 2: sense of maybe physical pleasure or you know, immorality in
- 14:22Speaker 2: that sense physical immorality, but it's simply lovers of pleasure,
- 14:25Speaker 2: which is entertainment.
- 14:26Speaker 3: I mean, it's every I mean it's as you know,
- 14:29Speaker 3: you go on a bus and it's right.
- 14:31Speaker 2: There, everybody's just like this, and then they're constantly being
- 14:34Speaker 2: indoctrinated or entertained.
- 14:36Speaker 3: We don't have the ability.
- 14:38Speaker 2: Relationships are difficult now with with young people because of
- 14:41Speaker 2: social media. You think, yeah, but they're more connected than ever,
- 14:44Speaker 2: but there really aren't. They're not connected in a real way,
- 14:48Speaker 2: and so you have this epidemic of of being a
- 14:51Speaker 2: lover of pleasure, and that's exactly is blinding them. I
- 14:54Speaker 2: think about it as well. I mean, you know, this
- 14:56Speaker 2: is a pastor the competition that we have when I
- 15:00Speaker 2: was pastoring as well, where you know, I always pushed
- 15:04Speaker 2: it to twelve thirty, you know, twelve fifteen.
- 15:07Speaker 3: But hey, manto, the football game.
- 15:09Speaker 2: I mean I pastored actually near Chicago, and like the
- 15:12Speaker 2: Bears are playing today, you're gonna keep it short, I go,
- 15:14Speaker 2: you know what, I just I'm mad in five minutes
- 15:16Speaker 2: now to test your.
- 15:17Speaker 3: Loyalty to the gospel.
- 15:19Speaker 2: So I mean it's coming into the church where whether
- 15:23Speaker 2: it's entertainment through sports or movies or whatever. I mean,
- 15:27Speaker 2: Satan has done a great job of every season of
- 15:30Speaker 2: the year, there's a if you are a sports person.
- 15:34Speaker 2: I have family relatives that I asked them to go
- 15:37Speaker 2: to church and they're like, yeah, but it's this, it's
- 15:39Speaker 2: it's it's it's college football, it's it's a it's March madness,
- 15:44Speaker 2: and then it becomes the NBA playoffs, and then it's
- 15:46Speaker 2: Major League and and whatever it is, and it's this, this,
- 15:50Speaker 2: this all her Satan has done a great job, it is.
- 15:52Speaker 1: That's a great point, Mondo. In fact, this past Lord's
- 15:56Speaker 1: Day a few days ago, I brought that up to
- 16:00Speaker 1: my own congregation. We were reading in Psalm ninety five.
- 16:06Speaker 1: Let me just let me just read that for you,
- 16:10Speaker 1: Psalm ninety five, and I think it was I think
- 16:13Speaker 1: it was verse three at that I pointed out to folks,
- 16:18Speaker 1: and it reads this, for the Lord is a great
- 16:20Speaker 1: God and a great king above all little g gods.
- 16:24Speaker 1: And of course you know, heads are shaken. Yeah, that's right,
- 16:27Speaker 1: that's right. And I thought, move, but you know, there
- 16:29Speaker 1: are little g gods all over the place. We've got
- 16:32Speaker 1: we've got a shrine a temple in Columbus just an
- 16:35Speaker 1: hour and a half from here. Uh and and seven
- 16:39Speaker 1: satur days this fall, there's going to be over one
- 16:42Speaker 1: hundred and two thousand people worshiping in that shrine in Columbus,
- 16:46Speaker 1: and of course you know there were there was some
- 16:48Speaker 1: smirks and a few giggles and things like that because
- 16:51Speaker 1: they knew I was talking about the Ohio State Buckeyes.
- 16:55Speaker 1: And it is, well, it's probably the same thing there
- 16:59Speaker 1: Monto Glamas City. I mean, people gather for the Sooners,
- 17:03Speaker 1: sell their games out all the time, people wear their
- 17:07Speaker 1: affiliation hat shirts, you know, the whole the whole thing.
- 17:11Speaker 1: And really and not for everybody. I'm not I'm not
- 17:15Speaker 1: categorizing everybody here, but there are a lot of people
- 17:19Speaker 1: that place their sports teams or whatever hobby they have,
- 17:23Speaker 1: they place that over actually the Lord Jesus Christ. They
- 17:28Speaker 1: certainly place it over fellowshipping with other believers because they'll
- 17:33Speaker 1: miss church in a heartbeat, the Assembly. They'll miss that
- 17:36Speaker 1: to go and participate in that. So it's troubling to me.
- 17:42Speaker 1: But I think the answer is this, give your brothers
- 17:49Speaker 1: and your sisters and the Lord good solid spiritual food.
- 17:55Speaker 1: So I may be talking to some pastors right now,
- 17:58Speaker 1: I don't know. Stop giving them candy cotton sermonettes, Stop
- 18:04Speaker 1: giving them three brief points that they're you know, almost
- 18:08Speaker 1: falling asleep. Listening to the Word of God is very
- 18:13Speaker 1: exciting and it's very powerful. And if we'll just give
- 18:17Speaker 1: them the scriptures and teach it with the boldness of
- 18:21Speaker 1: Jesus and the Apostles, I think that'll take care of
- 18:24Speaker 1: some of these problems in the fall, especially when football
- 18:29Speaker 1: seasons starts with wayward brothers and sisters. But yeah, it's
- 18:34Speaker 1: it's definitely a problem all over America. Distractions everywhere, Mando.
- 18:41Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you know, I also ask another question here
- 18:45Speaker 2: because I love I love skeptics.
- 18:47Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't raised a Christian.
- 18:49Speaker 2: So I was raised, you know, as as a as
- 18:53Speaker 2: a nominal Catholic. Okay, So I didn't understand the Gospel.
- 18:56Speaker 2: I went to I went to grade school, parochial school
- 18:59Speaker 2: up to eighth grade, and I learned a lot about
- 19:01Speaker 2: religion and learn a lot of formal prayers, but honestly,
- 19:05Speaker 2: I never heard the Gospel tell I was eighteen. But nevertheless,
- 19:10Speaker 2: the So I appreciate those that are skeptical because I
- 19:13Speaker 2: was one of those ones, and I'm glad I wasn't
- 19:16Speaker 2: turned away and people gave me answers when I asked.
- 19:19Speaker 2: But you know what do we say about those that
- 19:23Speaker 2: are you know, like, hey, you know, you guys, come on,
- 19:27Speaker 2: you guys have been talking about the return of Jesus
- 19:30Speaker 2: the end times for a long time, and in fact,
- 19:33Speaker 2: you know, and I've heard this from people who are
- 19:37Speaker 2: you see this a lot in maybe the Covenant theology
- 19:39Speaker 2: of the Reform camp or maybe the all millennial camp
- 19:41Speaker 2: or that they will say, well, you know, don't you
- 19:44Speaker 2: know that when Jesus left it was the last days?
- 19:48Speaker 2: We know it's the last day started when Jesus left,
- 19:50Speaker 2: and so it's been the last Days for two thousand
- 19:52Speaker 2: years Hebrews Chapter one, and so other skeptics pick up
- 19:55Speaker 2: on that, you know, and they'll say, hey, I thought
- 20:00Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be soon. So how
- 20:02Speaker 2: do you answer or how do you respond to that?
- 20:04Speaker 2: Where you know, maybe the early believers thought Jesus was
- 20:08Speaker 2: going to come back in their day, and yet here
- 20:11Speaker 2: we are two thousand years still waiting. What's the difference
- 20:15Speaker 2: between that day back then and today.
- 20:17Speaker 1: Well, the difference between then and now, Mondo is we
- 20:22Speaker 1: are seeing the signs that were prophesied and predicted. We're
- 20:27Speaker 1: seeing things happening now that Jesus himself said, listen, when
- 20:32Speaker 1: you see these things happening, know that My return is
- 20:38Speaker 1: near now. The Church has always held to the doctrine
- 20:42Speaker 1: of imminency soon return of Christ. What seems like a
- 20:47Speaker 1: very long time to us is not a very long
- 20:50Speaker 1: time to the Father. We always talk about one day
- 20:56Speaker 1: being as a thousand years, and there's a lot of
- 20:59Speaker 1: dialogue out there about, well, we're approaching the end of
- 21:03Speaker 1: the sixth day and if you keep track of time,
- 21:07Speaker 1: as the Jewish people still do, and I think there's
- 21:11Speaker 1: some some validity to that. But speaking about the signs,
- 21:18Speaker 1: some of the things that we mentioned before, globalization, the
- 21:22Speaker 1: rise of a one world humanity is just has this bent.
- 21:26Speaker 1: It seems that they they I call it a return
- 21:31Speaker 1: to Babbel. They want to return to having a one
- 21:36Speaker 1: world government, a one world economic system. They they and
- 21:41Speaker 1: they think they're safety in that. That's that's part of
- 21:44Speaker 1: the problem. And doesn't the scripture talk about that mando
- 21:47Speaker 1: When they cry out pecep safety, safety, then sudden destruction
- 21:51Speaker 1: will come upon them. So the world is clamoring for
- 21:55Speaker 1: that today. That's another sign that we're getting close to
- 21:58Speaker 1: the return of Christ. As a clamor for safety and peace,
- 22:01Speaker 1: and they're willing to give up freedom and individual liberties
- 22:04Speaker 1: to acquire that. That's another sign that the return of
- 22:08Speaker 1: Christ is drawing near. So we could talk about that
- 22:12Speaker 1: in a lot of different details, but I think it's
- 22:15Speaker 1: clear to us who pay attention to these things that
- 22:18Speaker 1: the return of Christ is very near. Now. I have
- 22:22Speaker 1: used before. I don't always recommend it, but I have
- 22:24Speaker 1: used before where Peter said, listen, scoffers, they're with us always,
- 22:31Speaker 1: but they're actually a fulfillment of prophecy when scoffers, especially
- 22:35Speaker 1: believers who who say, wow, come on, what you're actually
- 22:40Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy in that there would be skeptics right before
- 22:46Speaker 1: the return of Christ. And we're seeing that more widespread
- 22:50Speaker 1: today than I've ever seen at Mondo.
- 22:52Speaker 2: You know, it's so perfectly said, because you know, my
- 22:55Speaker 2: desire is always to you know, I'm not I iven
- 23:00Speaker 2: say I can debate, but that's as I've gotten older,
- 23:05Speaker 2: I realized that some of the futility of debating for
- 23:08Speaker 2: debating sake. But my desire, especially pastoring, was just to
- 23:11Speaker 2: come alongside and meet people where they're at, and and
- 23:14Speaker 2: also to speak the truth or even to find that
- 23:18Speaker 2: common ground to say, look.
- 23:20Speaker 3: I understand. I agree that.
- 23:23Speaker 2: You know, early on in the first century, you know,
- 23:26Speaker 2: the book Revelation is written says Jesus is coming soon.
- 23:29Speaker 2: Let's find out what that word really means. Let's find
- 23:32Speaker 2: out what it's referring to. Does the mean soon like
- 23:35Speaker 2: I'm coming next week? Because if that's the case, he
- 23:37Speaker 2: was a false prophet, and we know that's not the case.
- 23:39Speaker 2: I think as well, and I want to segue into
- 23:41Speaker 2: this is that for me as I think about my
- 23:44Speaker 2: own journey and coming to understand prophecy and again not
- 23:48Speaker 2: being raised a Christian, but understanding the importance of the
- 23:53Speaker 2: difference between what we see, let's say in one hundred
- 23:56Speaker 2: a d as as the Church is being persecuted by Rome,
- 24:00Speaker 2: rowing and understanding they are in the last days. I
- 24:02Speaker 2: agree wholeheartedly again the First Peter Hebrews one, I'll talk
- 24:07Speaker 2: about the last days being this the last two thousand
- 24:11Speaker 2: years in comparison to all of the history, the biblical
- 24:14Speaker 2: history going.
- 24:15Speaker 3: Back to creation. So yes, it is the last days.
- 24:18Speaker 2: But we also know in the all of that discourse
- 24:20Speaker 2: that Jesus spoke of the end of the age, and
- 24:24Speaker 2: so he brought he brings up a different phrase which
- 24:26Speaker 2: I prefer because he's talking about the age again with
- 24:30Speaker 2: the great commission in Matthew twenty eight, I'll be with
- 24:33Speaker 2: you till the end of the age, and so he
- 24:35Speaker 2: didn't say, you know, even though He's gonna be with
- 24:37Speaker 2: us throughout the last days, it's true, but he was
- 24:39Speaker 2: also going to be with us at the end of
- 24:41Speaker 2: the age. So as we come now, one of the
- 24:43Speaker 2: biggest markers, which makes it different than one hundred a
- 24:47Speaker 2: D or five hundred eight or one thousand a D,
- 24:50Speaker 2: is that Israel became a nation in nineteen forty eight,
- 24:53Speaker 2: and that as a marker is like, hello, everybody, because
- 24:57Speaker 2: God has a future and I want to talk about
- 24:59Speaker 2: Israe for a moment. God has a future for Israel,
- 25:03Speaker 2: for national Israel. It's part of his end of the
- 25:06Speaker 2: Age plan, and he brings them back into a nation
- 25:10Speaker 2: in one day in nineteen forty eight May fourteenth, which
- 25:13Speaker 2: kind of sets Hey, everybody, pay attention.
- 25:16Speaker 3: What I'm doing now? The end of the age has arrived.
- 25:19Speaker 2: I mean, would you agree in and not on the
- 25:21Speaker 2: putnel on the spot, but in a sense that the
- 25:23Speaker 2: end of the age began when Israel became a nation
- 25:25Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight.
- 25:26Speaker 1: Yes, Israel is to the chagrin of many, Israel is
- 25:32Speaker 1: still the apple of God's eyes. Israel is still the
- 25:36Speaker 1: central focus both of both Testaments, Old and New. Now,
- 25:41Speaker 1: I know that really really aggravates some of our brethren,
- 25:45Speaker 1: because they have arrived at a place and I might say,
- 25:48Speaker 1: in an erroneous place, believing that God is done with Israel,
- 25:53Speaker 1: that he has rejected Israel, and that is simply not true.
- 25:58Speaker 1: The regathering of his people. Well, we can see that
- 26:01Speaker 1: as a lynch pin that moves us forward in the
- 26:09Speaker 1: prophetic world or in eschatology, to the return of Christ.
- 26:15Speaker 1: The Old Testament speaks in numerous places about a national
- 26:20Speaker 1: as well as spiritual, a national, physical, spiritual restoration of
- 26:27Speaker 1: the Jewish people. And on a timeline of events, we
- 26:31Speaker 1: know when that happens, that happens at the end of
- 26:33Speaker 1: the tribulation period, when Christ comes back, before the inauguration
- 26:39Speaker 1: of the millennial reign of Jesus. And Paul says it
- 26:43Speaker 1: this way in Romans eleven twenty six. He says, all
- 26:47Speaker 1: Israel will be saved. Well, what he meant by that
- 26:50Speaker 1: was all Israel will be saved that survive the tribulation.
- 26:56Speaker 1: That look upon Messiah and receiving him. That's Zachariah. Well,
- 27:01Speaker 1: receive him as a mother mourns for a son, there
- 27:05Speaker 1: will see him whom they have pierced. That's the national
- 27:09Speaker 1: salvation of Israel. And that's prior to entering into the
- 27:13Speaker 1: millennial Ring. Covenant theology and some other doctrinal beliefs try
- 27:20Speaker 1: to refute that, and they simply can't because what they
- 27:24Speaker 1: teach and believe is not based on the scriptures. Now
- 27:26Speaker 1: I've read their arguments. I'm not saying this brashly, but
- 27:32Speaker 1: I'm saying that their arguments don't hold any weight when
- 27:36Speaker 1: we look at the scriptures. Israel is still has a future.
- 27:42Speaker 1: God's going to show us that, and I think he's
- 27:44Speaker 1: showing us that already right now in these days that
- 27:48Speaker 1: we're living in now, watching what's going on in the
- 27:51Speaker 1: Middle East and all of these nations rising up, this
- 27:54Speaker 1: sure looks a lot like Ezekiel thirty seven eight nine.
- 27:58Speaker 2: To me, no, absolutely, I think that's the That's one
- 28:04Speaker 2: of the biggest keys. And you see a misunderstanding of
- 28:07Speaker 2: what the Bible does say. And and like you mentioned earlier,
- 28:11Speaker 2: I think doctor Fruckttermaum's book Israelogy.
- 28:13Speaker 3: The missing link in systematic theology.
- 28:15Speaker 2: Is every seminary student in the country needs should be
- 28:19Speaker 2: required to read that book or be familiar with it,
- 28:22Speaker 2: because it again the Bible's five six about Israel, and
- 28:24Speaker 2: yet you don't. It's the most misunderstood. So I find
- 28:29Speaker 2: that absolutely amazing. Uh, you know, before we go here,
- 28:32Speaker 2: I want to I want to segue as well to
- 28:35Speaker 2: thinking about what has been happening in our culture.
- 28:39Speaker 3: Uh.
- 28:40Speaker 2: Today we talk about, uh, you know, being woke. I
- 28:44Speaker 2: saw a I saw a It was a video. Again
- 28:49Speaker 2: in this day, you got to know whether your videos
- 28:52Speaker 2: are true or not. But nevertheless, it was a video
- 28:54Speaker 2: of the democratic presidential Democratic candidate talking about that you
- 29:01Speaker 2: can't be woke enough. The goal is to be woke, woke,
- 29:04Speaker 2: woke and anyways, So, whether it's being woke or critical
- 29:08Speaker 2: race theory or social gospel, how has that infiltrated into
- 29:14Speaker 2: not just culture we expect that, but into the church,
- 29:17Speaker 2: the very church itself.
- 29:19Speaker 3: And shouldn't the church no better?
- 29:21Speaker 1: Yeah? The doctrine's tenants, the faith, the belief system of
- 29:27Speaker 1: wokeism I call it, has become very, very toxic to
- 29:35Speaker 1: Christianity as it was meant to be. Folks that think
- 29:40Speaker 1: that being woke is hand in glove with Christianity have
- 29:47Speaker 1: been deceived. They've simply been deceived. We know what the
- 29:50Speaker 1: origins of so called wokeism are. The origins go all
- 29:56Speaker 1: the way back to the Frankfurt School, gram Ski and
- 30:05Speaker 1: the London School of Economics. We can follow this back
- 30:09Speaker 1: all the way the socialism, Marxism, communism. It is anathetical
- 30:15Speaker 1: to Christianity. And my research, Mondo I have discovered that
- 30:23Speaker 1: wokeism and its roots actually go all the way back
- 30:27Speaker 1: to gnosticism because there's a sense in woke theology, and
- 30:33Speaker 1: they do have a theology that there is an alienation
- 30:39Speaker 1: that needs to be overcome, and that alienation dictates to
- 30:44Speaker 1: those that are woke that the prevailing or current or
- 30:49Speaker 1: present power structures need to be destroyed. They need to
- 30:52Speaker 1: be pulled down and rebuilt. That's why we see all
- 30:57Speaker 1: of the riots, that burnings, the destruction that that Antifa
- 31:03Speaker 1: and and organizations like that Black Lives Matter. That's why
- 31:07Speaker 1: we see them advocating for those things because they want
- 31:11Speaker 1: to destroy so that they can rebuild in their own image,
- 31:16Speaker 1: and then they will make a connection. It's all about alienation.
- 31:21Speaker 1: And i'm our Our friend Carl Tikrib talks about this
- 31:24Speaker 1: as well in his book Game of Gods. He goes
- 31:29Speaker 1: into great detail about this, this drive toward oneness because
- 31:34Speaker 1: at the at the base of it, that's really what
- 31:36Speaker 1: it's all about. It's it's a return to babble, it's
- 31:40Speaker 1: a it's a dry for oneness. It's it's about overcoming
- 31:44Speaker 1: our alienation. And we've seen whole denominations that have become
- 31:51Speaker 1: captured by wokeism, destroyed in fact. And there's great debate
- 31:58Speaker 1: out there right now in Christian circles about the validity
- 32:04Speaker 1: of this, and in my view, we shouldn't be debating
- 32:07Speaker 1: this at all. That is anathetical to Christianity. Is it
- 32:12Speaker 1: is actually of the spirit of Antichrist, and I think
- 32:17Speaker 1: we should reject it wholesale.
- 32:20Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing too when you look at some of
- 32:23Speaker 2: these more leftist or progressive policies it's based on well,
- 32:31Speaker 2: it could be two things. I guess at least one
- 32:33Speaker 2: is either they're ignorant of history, they're ignorant of how
- 32:36Speaker 2: they've been attempted to be implemented and the failure, or
- 32:41Speaker 2: it's just based on even if they know the history.
- 32:44Speaker 2: It's based on arrogance that they think they could do
- 32:46Speaker 2: it better and they'll make them work.
- 32:47Speaker 3: I find it interesting.
- 32:48Speaker 2: I grew up in Oregon, actually south of Portland, and
- 32:52Speaker 2: you probably saw this that just yesterday, the last couple
- 32:55Speaker 2: of days, Orgon has reintroduced or recriminalized as heroin and
- 33:02Speaker 2: UH fetanol, which is surprising, but they a few years
- 33:06Speaker 2: ago they decriminalized everything, and now they recriminalized it because
- 33:11Speaker 2: they realized, well that.
- 33:12Speaker 3: Really didn't work.
- 33:13Speaker 2: So after just four short years, uh, these policies are
- 33:17Speaker 2: having the fruit of what they they the labor, you know,
- 33:21Speaker 2: I guess they're they're producing their their right fruit. And
- 33:24Speaker 2: you're like, well, we could have told you that wasn't
- 33:27Speaker 2: a good idea four years ago.
- 33:29Speaker 1: Yeah, we see the fruits of all of these things
- 33:32Speaker 1: that we're talking about. Mondo and well certainly other places.
- 33:37Speaker 1: Canada has become You have friends in Canada. I do too,
- 33:42Speaker 1: and and they tell us what's really going on, because
- 33:46Speaker 1: the stuff that we get in our news media is
- 33:48Speaker 1: you know, about half of reality. Canada is is a
- 33:54Speaker 1: horrible place right now for Christians who who have a
- 33:57Speaker 1: conscience and they're speaking it because you can and will
- 34:01Speaker 1: be arrested. What's going on in the UK, the government
- 34:06Speaker 1: that refuses to protect its own citizens and they're allowing
- 34:11Speaker 1: rampaging mobs of people to to harm citizens, stab them.
- 34:18Speaker 1: It's it's it defies logic in my view that we
- 34:24Speaker 1: have arrived at a place where a nation, the United Kingdom,
- 34:29Speaker 1: has to talk about implementing stricter knife laws. I mean,
- 34:35Speaker 1: it's it's just ridiculous the things that are going on.
- 34:39Speaker 1: Scandinavia has has already been overrun and overtaken that I've
- 34:44Speaker 1: I've I've read recently of some pushback, but certainly not
- 34:49Speaker 1: enough pushback. So this this drive toward globalism and and
- 34:57Speaker 1: it's it has to manifest his team, Granny. It has
- 35:00Speaker 1: no other way. Globalism has to use power and iron
- 35:06Speaker 1: fists to rule over the population. That's why we see
- 35:11Speaker 1: right here in America, this administ current administration is putting
- 35:15Speaker 1: senior citizens in jail for merely standing in front of
- 35:20Speaker 1: an abortion mill and praying. They're not engaging anybody, they're
- 35:24Speaker 1: not speaking to any of the women that are going
- 35:29Speaker 1: in to murder their babies. They're just standing there praying,
- 35:33Speaker 1: and they're being arrested. And the Biden Harris administration is
- 35:36Speaker 1: locking them up. So we can't just point at other
- 35:40Speaker 1: countries and say, well, this is what's going on there.
- 35:43Speaker 1: It's happening right here. We could talk about censorship, about
- 35:48Speaker 1: how Christians have had their platforms completely shut down and removed.
- 35:55Speaker 1: We better wake up soon and inform and teach the
- 36:02Speaker 1: Body of Christ what's really happening so that we can
- 36:06Speaker 1: stand opposed to this. Otherwise we're going to get steam
- 36:08Speaker 1: rolled here.
- 36:09Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, absolutely, and uh you know, I imagine always
- 36:15Speaker 2: that the Lord has somebody watching or stumbling upon the program.
- 36:20Speaker 2: You know, what do you share with them? Maybe they
- 36:23Speaker 2: don't know anything at all, share with the audience, you know,
- 36:28Speaker 2: the gospel. I mean, what does it take to get
- 36:30Speaker 2: right with God?
- 36:31Speaker 1: Well, that's a that's a great question and timely, very timely,
- 36:34Speaker 1: and we should all be about this. This is our commission,
- 36:40Speaker 1: all of us, if we're believers in the Lord Jesus Christ,
- 36:44Speaker 1: our commission is to share the gospel. One of the
- 36:46Speaker 1: things that I've done to make it very easy for
- 36:49Speaker 1: folks that call Calvary Lyma home is I've put on
- 36:53Speaker 1: the back and I'm just going to show you. I
- 36:54Speaker 1: put on the back of our card that people pass
- 36:58Speaker 1: this out all the time. Hey, Church Service ten thirty,
- 37:02Speaker 1: would love to have you come with us, and I
- 37:04Speaker 1: put right on the back of the card. Do you
- 37:08Speaker 1: know God? If not, here's how and just walk them
- 37:12Speaker 1: through it. You don't, I would. I would encourage you
- 37:15Speaker 1: to memorize it. It's not that hard to memorize. But
- 37:19Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is God loves you. That's
- 37:22Speaker 1: John three sixteen, right. He loves the creation. That's why
- 37:25Speaker 1: he sent his son to die in our place. That
- 37:30Speaker 1: was the whole point of the cross. But there's a problem.
- 37:35Speaker 1: That's Romans three twenty three. The problem is that we're sinners,
- 37:39Speaker 1: so there has to be some type of reconciliation, some
- 37:44Speaker 1: type of judgment of that sin. Again, that's what the
- 37:48Speaker 1: Cross was. Romans twenty three says that the result of
- 37:52Speaker 1: our sin is death. Now here's the good news. You
- 37:56Speaker 1: don't have to die for yourself because Christ is all
- 37:59Speaker 1: ready He died for you. The wages of sin is death.
- 38:03Speaker 1: But the free gift of God is eternal life in
- 38:07Speaker 1: Christ Jesus. How do you do that well by placing
- 38:12Speaker 1: your faith, your trust in the Lord Jesus. It is
- 38:16Speaker 1: by faith alone. This is why we say this Mondo.
- 38:20Speaker 1: Salvation is by faith alone, in Christ alone, by the
- 38:23Speaker 1: grace of God alone. It's not church membership, it's not baptism,
- 38:27Speaker 1: it's not giving money to charity, it's not your good works.
- 38:31Speaker 1: It's faith alone. Recognize who you are before a holy
- 38:35Speaker 1: God and receive him by faith. Now, if you'll do that,
- 38:42Speaker 1: then the Bible tells us that you are a child
- 38:46Speaker 1: of God. You're a son or daughter by faith, and
- 38:49Speaker 1: there are all kinds of things that flow from that.
- 38:54Speaker 1: We become adopted as sons or daughters, we become joint
- 38:58Speaker 1: heirs with Jesus. We receive, according to Ephesians chapter one,
- 39:04Speaker 1: all the spiritual gifts in heaven. It's an amazing thing.
- 39:09Speaker 1: And so the gospel is very very simple. There's been
- 39:12Speaker 1: a divine heavenly transaction. What was due to you was
- 39:19Speaker 1: placed on Jesus, and Jesus took that upon himself. Willingly
- 39:24Speaker 1: guide that death so that you might live. Trust in
- 39:26Speaker 1: the name of the Lord Jesus today and you will
- 39:29Speaker 1: be saved. It's very simple. Manda.
- 39:32Speaker 2: Yes, the invitation is there, and if you're listening or watching, pray.
- 39:36Speaker 3: That exactly what you do. That's why we're here.
- 39:38Speaker 2: Is to bring the Gospel and the good news, because
- 39:41Speaker 2: we know that good news is best appreciated when we
- 39:43Speaker 2: understand the bad news that they're all sinners are not
- 39:46Speaker 2: going to make it. And that's what I felt, is
- 39:48Speaker 2: like I realized I was confronted with the truth of
- 39:51Speaker 2: my own destination, which was all the way to hell
- 39:54Speaker 2: and there's no doubt. And I was I was like,
- 39:56Speaker 2: what And then I heard the Gospel, the good News.
- 39:59Speaker 2: I was like, I can be read. Thank you from that.
- 40:00Speaker 3: Oh man, what a day of freedom I experience. It
- 40:02Speaker 3: was awesome. And well, one last.
- 40:04Speaker 2: Time here, you know, share it with everybody about our
- 40:08Speaker 2: conference coming up at the at the end of September
- 40:10Speaker 2: and how they can get more information on that.
- 40:12Speaker 1: Yes, well, thank you so again. That is September the
- 40:15Speaker 1: twenty eighth. That's a Saturday, September the twenty eighth. We'll
- 40:18Speaker 1: go from nine to five. Patrick Wood, yourself, John Haller,
- 40:23Speaker 1: Barry Stagner, Jim Swager, and myself will be teaching that day,
- 40:27Speaker 1: presenting topics that will equip and encourage the Body of Christ.
- 40:32Speaker 1: You can register at go Therefore conference dot com. Go
- 40:37Speaker 1: Therefore Conference dot Com and live stream is available if
- 40:44Speaker 1: you can't make it in person. Live stream is available.
- 40:47Speaker 3: Amen.
- 40:48Speaker 2: Appreciate it, sir, having you on today and everybody watching.
- 40:52Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll see you in Ohio. Otherwise we will.
- 40:55Speaker 2: Catch you next time, and make sure to subscribe to
- 40:57Speaker 2: our channel, the Weekend Bible Prophecy dot com, and you
- 41:00Speaker 2: can continue to get updates on what's happened in the
- 41:02Speaker 2: world because we know it's coming and the Lord is
- 41:04Speaker 2: returning soon. He's going to make everything right and we're
- 41:06Speaker 2: excited about that. So catch you guys next time.