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7 Pillars to Cat Longevity with Dr. Zoolittle · Back In The Closet - Two Crazy Cat Ladies

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  OK, so now let's get to the podcast.
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  With wine. Always with wine.
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  I'm Jay. I'm Adrian.
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  And together we are. There's two crazy cat ladies.
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  I'm going to cut you. I think I just peed.
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  Buckle up. We're.
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  Back in the. Closet.
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  Welcome everyone, there's. Tonya.
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  Another episode of the Pack in the Closet with the 2 Crazy cat
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  ladies. We are very excited as many of
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  you guys know how excited we've been for this specific podcast
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  because it is with the none other than Pennywood, otherwise
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  known as Doctor Zulittle, who is a longevity zoologist, right?
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  So the first time we met Penny, we were in Kansas City at Doctor
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  Ruth, Doctor Ruth Roberts event and.
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  We. We just, we were sitting down.
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  It was like the first night we were there.
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  Penny came up and sat down beside me and she sat in in or
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  between us or something. She started talking when we were
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  like, who are you? What do you?
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  She said. I'm a I'm a longevity zoologist
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  and I was like, you've got my attentions all night long.
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  Yeah, all night long. Let's toss it to you for an
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  introduction for these fabulous folks that has taken the trek
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  over to Zoom with us to share just a little bit about your
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  background and why this is such a passion project for you.
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  All the good stuff. All the all the good stuff.
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  All the good stuff. You've got 9 hours then.
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  OK, let's go. And I want to hear about how
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  raccoon styled your hair as well, so.
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  We will get to that. Thank you guys.
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  Thank you for your patience. Thanks to everyone.
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  Who's turned up? I'm so honoured to chat with you
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  tonight about cats. It's my favorite thing.
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  So a little tiny bit about me. You don't want to hear a lot
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  about me. That's the boring stuff.
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  You want the stuff about people with four legs.
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  But I started out at 5:00. I started at 5:00 to become a
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  zoologist because I went to the zoo and for the first time in my
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  life, which obviously was not very long at that stage, I saw a
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  human go in with a wild animal in the enclosure.
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  And it blew my mind because I'd always been told with my love
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  affair of animals, right? I've always been told you can't
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  play with wild animals. They're going to run away from
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  you. You can't stay with it.
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  Then they're that doesn't happen.
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  Humans, wild animals, not a thing.
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  And I was like, but wait, look, this zookeeper likes the sea
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  light. That's this sea lion.
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  She brought in a bucket. She's got white Wellington
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  boots. She's feeding the sea lion and
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  chatting and talking the sea lion's there and he's loving on
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  her and he's like, this is the best thing ever.
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  And I'll do a handstand for you because we're friends.
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  And I was like, that's what I'm going to do.
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  I am going to make friends with animals and, and, and just make
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  everybody happy. So that's where it started.
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  It never deviated. I then was, you know, frustrated
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  that I had to wait until I was 18 before I could go to
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  university. I went to go to university then
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  when I was 5, so I could crack on with zoology, but they made
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  me wait, which is annoying. But anyway, we got there and I,
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  I started out in my career in this space called cognitive
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  ethology. Cognitive ethology is a
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  specialist area. So zoology is literally the
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  study of animals that can do 1000 different things, right?
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  And I wanted to do animal welfare, understand who they
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  really are on the inside here and here.
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  But how do we do that when we can't speak, right?
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  So we've got to use another toolkit in order to bridge that
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  gap. So cognitive ethology and
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  behavioral neuroscience was my solution to how do we bridge
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  this gap? How do we unlock what's going on
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  on the inside? And, and really then be able to
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  come in as the human with thumbs and a bigger brain and a bank
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  account to solve their problems, right?
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  And to facilitate welfare to bring it from, you know, life's
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  OK or life's actually not OK, right?
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  Depending on how bad the situation to something that is,
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  you know, phenomenal. So that's what I was doing in
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  the zoo environment. Loving that working as a
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  consultant work. I've been a keeper and I've done
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  all my hard work out in the field as a volunteer and
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  sleeping on the ground in the rain, getting eaten by blanks
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  and all the stuff that you do when you're a student volunteer.
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  All right. And and it was working towards
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  this thing of I just I'm going to unlock I'm going to unlock
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  their secrets. I'm going to help them
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  understand, help them the people understand what is we do to make
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  animals feel incredible. And I started working alongside
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  the zoo new vets. Now, I had not been a veterinary
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  professional person. I knew I wasn't going to do
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  that, right? Wasn't.
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  But I didn't really know how they worked.
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  I just knew it wasn't for me, just knew it wasn't for me.
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  And so when I went into the zoo vet world, which is a very, very
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  niche space, like it's very, very hard to do that.
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  I was expecting a lot, let's just put it that way.
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  I was expecting a lot. And what I saw broke my heart
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  because I suddenly realized what was going on on the other side
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  of the welfare coin, right? We think about animal welfare.
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  It's a it's a whole thing, right?
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  It's the mind. You're experienced life, how you
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  feel like life is going. What are you getting to do?
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  The emotional and experiential side.
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  And there's also then the physical side, like what's
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  happening in my body? Can I still use my body?
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  Have I got pain? Am I sick?
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  Am I going to die? Am I living long?
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  What like what's going on in the body?
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  So, and I'd always just gone, oh, the vets can look after
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  that. That's fine.
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  I'll stick over here with my cognitive ethology and mental
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  health and do all that. Right.
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  And then they were using horse medicine, dog medicine and cat
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  medicine on the zoo animals. And I knew instantly as a
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  zoologist who looks through animals with a different lens,
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  that's not right. Species appropriate.
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  That's the thing. Species specific, that's a thing
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  your Physiology, my Physiology, how you metabolize something,
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  what you do what's poisonous for you, what's poisonous for me.
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  These are all very very different things.
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  I was like, why are they why are you doing that?
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  And what happens when you get something that's not really dog
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  like and not really cat like and not really horse like?
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  What, who, what, what medicine do you give them?
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  And I was just flabbergasted. And then I kept talking and I
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  kept like, but it but, but I had so many questions of why they
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  weren't doing what I considered to be proper welfare.
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  And then the third part of that equation was I started asking a
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  lot of questions. What disease is this?
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  What are they presenting with? Why they, why are they back nine
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  times? So I've seen this Flamingo like
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  6 times coming into clinic. Why?
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  Why aren't you just making him better?
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  Why are you just fixing him? Oh, well, we don't have
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  solutions. We can't, we can't cure
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  anything. We don't know what we're doing
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  about that. So we just keep managing his
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  symptoms. I was just like, well, hey, I'm
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  not a Flamingo expert, but I'm pretty sure in the wild they
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  don't do that. And it was when someone came
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  along and said a cat thing to me that I got real mad.
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  They were like, oh, it's normal. It's normal for cats to get
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  chronic kidney disease. And I nearly punched someone on
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  the nose because I said no, it's not.
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  Because out in the wild, not one single one of my cats, doesn't
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  matter if they're a leopard, a cheetah, a lion, a Puma, an
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  ocelot and sand cat, doesn't matter who they are, they're not
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  dying of chronic kidney disease. So how do you come and tell me
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  that it's normal? It's not normal.
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  You've accepted it and that's a different thing.
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  I reject that and we're going to go fix it.
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  And so that set me off. I was like, dude, I want to
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  block my calendar, put the big line through that.
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  I'm going to take 4 weeks. I'm gonna figure this out.
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  I'm gonna take 4 weeks off. I'm gonna figure out this whole
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  thing. Well, hilariously, that four
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  weeks turned into four years as I went down the rabbit hole
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  deeper and deeper and deeper, went past Alison the White
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  Rabbit all the way to the Red Queen and went beyond and
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  figured out that functional medicine was this thing that
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  worked and regenerative medicine had had better answers, Better
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  science, better treatment, better compassion, better
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  efficacy, less side effects, the whole thing.
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  I was like, that's what I've been looking for.
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  I didn't care what I was going to find.
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  I just wanted the truth so that I could go back to that sea line
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  and that everybody else who I've met along the way and say, do
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  you know what I can help? I actually can help.
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  Not give you a drug and make you just go, oh, it still hurts,
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  actually help. And then with fixed welfare, now
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  I've got them this side of the coin with the cognitive
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  ethology, and now I've got this side with the functional
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  medicine. So long story I took ages to
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  tell you. I'm sorry, but that's where we
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  are. That.
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  I love that story. So now.
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  You guys understand why we're so excited to bring this beautiful
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  woman to you guys, right? I mean, it's your brain.
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  Your brain works on this level of just finding solutions and
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  you have the brain cells to do it.
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  I mean. Yeah, even at 1:00 in the
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  morning. Right.
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  Can you imagine trying to form sentences?
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  No, no. But it's fascinating and like
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  how your journey kind of went, you know, and really just
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  accepting that, you know, kind of realizing if something
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  doesn't exist, then you've got to be the one to create it.
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  You've got to be the one to kind of connect the dots.
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  So what brought you into the longevity?
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  Yeah. And how would like a?
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  Great question. So back in undergrad, we will
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  when doing animal welfare studies, right?
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  There are different ways to measure and you can get very
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  technical and dry about some of this.
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  That was a bit boring, so let's not do that.
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  But effectively, you can measure the quantity and the quality,
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  right? Fairly straightforward quantity.
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  How good is today? How good are you right now?
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  How good is your lifestyle in general?
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  What can you look forward to qualitatively that makes it feel
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  great? And how long do you get?
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  So when when you are a zoologist, there's a lot of
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  animals at play, right? That we tend to categorize a lot
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  in science. So we have domestic animals, we
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  have wild animals, we have feral animals, we have zoo animals.
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  We have the ones in captivity that ones are free, ones that
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  are in soft captivity, ones are in hard captivity, ones are
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  doing it right. So we do with, there's lots of
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  animals to choose from in this equation.
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  And a lot of them, nobody cares about how long they live for,
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  right? If you're a farm animal, nobody
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  cares how long you can possibly live for because they're going
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  to kill you by the time about one anyway, right?
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  That's just the nature of a farm animal, right?
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  Sucks. What if you're a caged animal
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  getting makeup when sprayed stuff put on you because you're
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  a tester? Like horrendous stuff, right?
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  Nobody cares how long you live, they just want to see if the
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  experiment works. Horrible.
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  Hated it. Knew I wasn't going to go there
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  just the same as I knew I wasn't going to go be a vet, right?
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  So there are places where people who are braver than me can go
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  and and be in that world and I'd probably end up in jail.
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  So that was why I was like, no, we we're not going to do that.
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  I'm going to work with the ones where people actually care about
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  them and love them too. So that narrowed it field right
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  down for me to conservation, to zoos and to pets.
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  And those are the places where we do care about the other half
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  of welfare, not just how we're doing today.
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  How good is it? Can we make it better?
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  But also how long are you going to have?
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  Now, most people shy away from that question because from a
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  scientific point of view, that's an expensive experiment to do
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  because you've got to run experiment for what?
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  We don't even know how long, hey, you're going to apply for
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  your funding. So they usually do these kinds
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  of experiments on animals that don't live for very long, on
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  cockroaches and flies and other things.
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  And I'm like, why don't we care about cockroaches and flies?
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  Because I can't make a relationship with them.
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  I can't improve their life. I can't unlock their brain.
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  So let me work with the ones that are in my heart and in my
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  whose head I can kind of unlock a little bit.
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  So they're going to live longer. Nobody wants to do that
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  research. Nobody wants to do because
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  there's no funding in it, right? So it takes someone who's
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  willing to be a little bit quirky and go, do you know what?
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  I'll do it. And so that's and also because I
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  don't like focusing on bad news, right?
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  Diseases are bad news, right? You can look at any glass,
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  right? Is it half full or is it half
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  empty? Right?
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  We all know that classic thing. But the more you look at the
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  empty, the more you look at the bad.
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  The more you look at something that isn't lovely, the more you
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  go towards it because it's exactly the same.
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  If you focus on the good things, the more you focus on good
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  things, the more you go towards that.
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  Ever tried riding a bicycle, right.
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  And then someone says, don't go over there, don't look at that,
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  but you do. And then you had your handlebars
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  just come with you. And if you, you let, right,
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  that's what it's like. So like, I don't want to focus
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  on disease and suffering and pain and negativity and nasty
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  things. And also I'm not qualified to be
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  talking about diseases and drugs and stuff.
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  I don't want to be a bit, I'm not a bit.
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  So let's do the fun thing instead and focus on how to make
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  them happy, right? So how to make them have longer
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  time. Because I tell you what, there's
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  not one single animal I've ever had in my life where I thought,
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  you know, I don't mind if you Nick off like I'm OK if you go,
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  I'm like, no, we're going to sign a pact in blood.
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  Like I'm going to take your claw and you're going to cut me.
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  And then we're going to sign our names on this whole thing.
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  And it says we will go and die on the same day.
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  Because you're not going without me and I'm not going without
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  you, right? And if you're a pet parent like
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  that, then you do care about longevity, right?
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  You might not be as crazy as me and do a blood pact with your
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  cat, but like you will, you will.
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  You will do what it takes to ensure that they go for as long
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  as possible, yes. Wow, that is so beautiful.
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  It's so true. Though that it does take an
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  investment, it takes, it takes a big investment to be able to
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  unlock all this information. So let's talk about you.
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  You've worked with a lot of different animals.
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  I know that just just our time in Kansas City and our time with
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  you in Spain, it's just mind blowing and we've been waiting
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  for this conversation for a long time.
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  So share with us like how do you, how do you, how do you
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  define longevity science? Like how do you, where do you
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  start? I mean so.
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  The, the key point I think is here.
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  So you can be a biohacker, right?
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  Biohackers in the human space, they're all about trying to hit
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  an age mark. I'm going to lift 120, I'm going
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  to lift 145. I'm going to lift whatever,
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  right? And it's this kind of, you know,
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  let's measure how big we are and how great we are and do this
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  competition. That's not what I care about,
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  right? As an animal welfare zoologist,
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  it's both sides, quality and quantity.
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  So I'm not trying to help get a magic mark into the universe and
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  put it on that birthday, right? But what we can do is improve
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  health span the typical trajectory of any body, right?
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  Any, any animal, any one of us is, we're born and we're
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  typically healthy and we have optimum like vitality and things
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  peaks around about 30. And then we start on a decline
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  with various different things. And that can go faster or slower
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  depending on the lifestyle choices that you make.
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  But invariably now modern humanity has a curve where there
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  is a decline very slowly, very long, and you lose
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  functionality, you lose freedoms, you lose joy and end
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  up taking drugs, having to have therapy, having a restricted
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  life, and then eventually dying of a disease, right.
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  And because we invite animals into our world, they end up in
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  the same environment that we do, the same lifestyle that we do.
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  And so we inadvertently give them that same tragic
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  trajectory. But if you look at an animal in
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  the wild, that's not how they live.
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  They live hard and, and, and sometimes die young, but they
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  don't die of diseases. So they get born and they have
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  their pig and they do all their things and they stay strong
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  because they have to. Because the wild's not a place
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  for softies, right? It's, it's, you know, and there
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  isn't time to get fat, right? Because you're too busy
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  surviving today. There isn't.
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  You don't got to develop arthritis because you're never
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  having junk food. There's a whole host of diseases
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  that just don't exist very often, I can't say never, but
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  very often in the population it's very much an exception to
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  the rule. So what can we do about that?
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  We know then it's not them, it's us.
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  What can we do to change? Their biology is still good,
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  right? If you're a wild animal or if
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  you're a domestic animal, you've still got the same essential
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  biology. Things are going to work the
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  same way. So what is it the difference?
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  Well, you've got a human looking after you.
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  That can, that can be a great thing, right?
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  But it's the human not having the decision making
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  sophistication of the knowledge that an animal has, because
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  those wild animals are making decisions based on who they are,
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  what their ecosystem can provide, and how to survive.
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  So they might have an accident, they might break their tooth,
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  they might get caught in a snare, they might get eaten by a
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  crocodile, right? But it's usually pretty quick or
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  any of those things. And the ones who don't do that
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  are living longer and stronger. So let's bring health span onto
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  the table as the main measure, rather than longevity per SE, a
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  magical number. And so that way we have the same
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  kind of trajectory as the wild animal, but with the best of
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  both worlds, because we're going to protect them from that
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  accident, injury, infectious disease, stuff that medicine can
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  do really well, right? And then they're going to hold
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  that high level of health and welfare all the way through and
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  then have time to look at the end and then go to heaven,
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  right? So that's a better story.
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  I. Agree.
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  I agree. So for cats specifically, what
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  are these 7 pillars? Yeah, 'cause.
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  You make it sound like it's actually a lot easier, which is
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  what we all want, right? As cat parents, we want to be
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  able to actually do the. Things help our cats.
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  Live the longest, happiest life possible.
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  And we also don't want to like break the bank.
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  We want to, you know, we want to be able to do something that
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  can, we can actually do on a regular basis like things, you
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  know, like we have lots of tips that we give people all the
• 18:59
  time. But but you have it beautifully
• 19:02
  laid out into a, a, a, a course actually where you where you
• 19:08
  explain it and it's and it's not a difficult thing.
• 19:14
  Right, great question. Here's the thing though.
• 19:18
  Those four weeks that suddenly turned into four years and, and
• 19:21
  like studying medicine, right? That's a lot of information.
• 19:25
  And I started to see a lot of patterns in that.
• 19:27
  It's like this disease would crop up, but then this thing
• 19:29
  would. And I could, it took a long time
• 19:31
  to kind of unravel it all, but I was like, do you know what?
• 19:34
  There's a very clear pattern here that I'm seeing when we
• 19:37
  understand that the health destiny, meaning the health and
• 19:42
  vitality, but then also the duration of their life because
• 19:45
  the two things just go together. They just do.
• 19:48
  When you address 1, you get the other as a bonus, right?
• 19:50
  So when when you look at what controls that destiny, is it
• 19:56
  genetics or is it lifestyle? It's mostly lifestyle.
• 20:02
  And we know that because we can do the comparison to the wild
• 20:04
  animals. But studies have also backed up
• 20:06
  that same thing, looking at it from a different point of view.
• 20:09
  So you have this 90 approximately percent control
• 20:15
  over where you take your pets. You are the one in power when
• 20:21
  you can make the right choices. So I was like, OK, this is
• 20:23
  amazingly good news, right? This is not OK.
• 20:26
  Well, it's just luck of the dice roll and the genetics and
• 20:28
  whatever else. Tiny bit, but not a lot.
• 20:32
  How can I, how can I make four years of medical science
• 20:36
  accessible in half an hour kind of thing.
• 20:39
  You know what's, how can I bring it down?
• 20:41
  So this is the concept called irreducible complexity, right?
• 20:45
  So if you are looking at a mousetrap, for example, right,
• 20:49
  it's got 7 parts to it or five parts to it or whatever it is.
• 20:53
  I'm not a mousetrap designer, obviously.
• 20:55
  But you, you need like a base plate, you need to have a little
• 20:59
  spring. You need to have like and it's,
• 21:00
  and you can make it fancy beyond it doing its actual thing,
• 21:04
  right? But it needs those minimum
• 21:06
  number of constituent parts to actually operate. 6 parts out of
• 21:10
  seven ain't going to do it. You aren't going to catch 6
• 21:12
  times, you know, 610 sevens as many mice.
• 21:15
  You catch no mice, right? So irreducible complexity is the
• 21:19
  smallest number of pieces to actually get a powerful effect.
• 21:23
  And that's what these 7 pillars are.
• 21:25
  It's dividing up the lifestyle choices that you're making on
• 21:29
  behalf of your animal, right into doable, clear, logical
• 21:36
  aspects, aspects that come naturally anyway.
• 21:38
  Like hands up, who's not feeding their cat, right?
• 21:42
  No one, right? So we're already doing pillar
• 21:45
  #1, which is species appropriate nutrition, right?
• 21:49
  So I teach people how to do species appropriate nutrition at
• 21:54
  the 10 out of 10 rewilded version, right?
• 21:57
  So we're bringing the wild, we're bringing nature back into
• 22:00
  how do we feed our cats instead of just going, well, this is how
• 22:03
  we do it because we're human and that's how we do it.
• 22:05
  No, no, no, let's stop and pause and go, well, what are they
• 22:09
  doing? OK, let's take the principles of
• 22:12
  that and then turn that into a very simple solution of what to
• 22:17
  do at home. So that's what I do.
• 22:19
  So we have 7 areas of lifestyle. You're already doing them,
• 22:23
  right? We're just gonna dial up your
• 22:26
  choice from a sort of status quo.
• 22:28
  Everybody does it. This is the human perspective
• 22:30
  version of it to this rewilded version, right?
• 22:35
  To bring in nature's intelligence, nature's
• 22:38
  protection, the wild animal strategies, to the love and care
• 22:42
  and devotion that you have. And now we've got the best of
• 22:45
  both worlds. Wow, I freaking love this.
• 22:51
  Can you give us a teaser of what the seven pillars are?
• 22:53
  Yeah, of course. Because you need to know them,
• 22:55
  right? This is not a secret I want
• 22:57
  everyone to know. So species appropriate
• 22:59
  nutrition. By the way, these are in no
• 23:01
  particular order. This is just the order that I
• 23:03
  tend to do them in. There's no hierarchy.
• 23:06
  They're all important. Like I said, if you take one
• 23:08
  piece away, it doesn't work, right?
• 23:09
  It will still work, but you're not going to get the full
• 23:11
  effect, right? And let's also start by saying
• 23:14
  that you can start any time. You don't have to start on day
• 23:17
  one. You don't have to start when 19.
• 23:19
  You can start at any point and you will get benefit.
• 23:22
  Okay, just so people, because a lot of people ask me, is it too
• 23:24
  late? Have I, have I missed the boat?
• 23:26
  Have I made too many mistakes? And the answer is always no.
• 23:30
  Because biology is so flexible and adaptable, because it has to
• 23:33
  be. Because out there in the wild
• 23:36
  it's always changing. Climate is changing, geology is
• 23:39
  changing, someone else is moving into your territory and you've
• 23:42
  got Nick off somewhere else. The tree fell over in storm last
• 23:44
  night. Like it's always changing.
• 23:46
  So they're very adaptable and flexible and the biology is as
• 23:49
  well. So that means at any stage you
• 23:52
  can start to introduce a better version and get a better result.
• 23:57
  So 7 pillars, species appropriate nutrition, number
• 24:01
  one, right. And there's a three, I'll get to
• 24:03
  that in a minute. That's number two.
• 24:07
  Is detoxification. OK?
• 24:10
  This is really important and I seldom find pet parents who are
• 24:14
  taking detoxification where it needs to be.
• 24:18
  We can't sometimes get freaked out and think, oh, I have to
• 24:20
  give my cat green smoothies and and purge.
• 24:23
  No, we're not talking about that with species appropriate natural
• 24:27
  version. OK.
• 24:28
  But detox, they have to get the trash out as much as we need to
• 24:34
  put the good stuff in. OK #3 the microbiomes.
• 24:39
  Now there are plenty of those across the body and science is
• 24:41
  always finding more. They discovered that there's a
• 24:43
  hole in individual microbiomes in your spine of all places.
• 24:47
  Like, I mean, who knew? But in here we focus on three,
• 24:51
  the skin, the gut and the oral dental for cats.
• 24:54
  Major issue. We can save that, we can protect
• 24:58
  that. Nobody needs to lose their teeth
• 25:00
  ever if we do the wild strategies, right?
• 25:02
  So we do microbiomes #4 is a mixture of movement, exercise
• 25:10
  and alignment. So this is the physical frame of
• 25:14
  the body, if you like, right? So movement is what can you do
• 25:18
  with your body? Like how high can you jump?
• 25:20
  Can you do? So it's this kind of thing,
• 25:22
  right? It's the freedom that you have
• 25:23
  inside your skin. Exercise is obviously then
• 25:26
  putting that under some level of pressure, some stress, right?
• 25:30
  So you have to go harder, go faster, get a sweat.
• 25:33
  It's a little hard, right? Exercise alignment is how does
• 25:36
  your frame hang? Like are you in balance?
• 25:39
  Have you got the blockages of flow coming through from your
• 25:44
  electrical circuit, from your fascia, from your circulatory
• 25:48
  system, from your lymphatics? Like are you flowing because
• 25:52
  your alignment is good? Or are you pinching somehow
• 25:55
  because your alignment is off? And there's so many injuries
• 25:57
  that our animals get that we don't see, and they end up being
• 26:00
  somehow trapped in their own body a little bit.
• 26:03
  So those 3 all go together, although there's three kind of
• 26:06
  components to it, right #5 almost always completely
• 26:12
  neglected. I haven't heard anyone else
• 26:16
  teaching about this, right? So this, I think, is a
• 26:19
  zoological lens that comes into it.
• 26:22
  But it's the natural environments.
• 26:24
  OK, so let me explain that for a second.
• 26:29
  Nature looks after animals. Nature also looks after plants,
• 26:34
  plants look after animals, animals look after nature.
• 26:37
  It's all interconnected, right? The sun has healing properties,
• 26:41
  the ground has healing properties, the air has healing
• 26:44
  property, right? So I divide nature, the natural
• 26:47
  environment, into 5 spheres, the way you would learn it in
• 26:50
  undergrad science, right? So the biosphere, hydrosphere,
• 26:55
  heliosphere, atmosphere and geosphere, right?
• 26:59
  And each one of these components of nature contributes health
• 27:03
  benefits and protective benefit and healing benefits.
• 27:07
  So it's both sides to our animals.
• 27:10
  When we separate them from nature and put them in an
• 27:13
  artificial house, they're separated from all that bonus
• 27:17
  free healing and protection that they would get in the wild.
• 27:20
  So we look at strategies of how can we connect them back to a
• 27:26
  life that is more connected into the wild doesn't.
• 27:30
  Even if a cat has to be an indoor cat, there are ways we
• 27:33
  can do that. Although it's still not my
• 27:35
  favorite, I understand that it's sometimes restricted and there
• 27:38
  are ways to overcome that. So natural environments, big
• 27:41
  deal. 5-6 Hormone Health. 1 is a.
• 27:47
  Big one, right? Yes, especially when it comes to
• 27:51
  cats. I would love to hear.
• 27:54
  Yes. So hormone hormones, we tend to
• 27:58
  automatically think of sex hormones, repro spay and neuter
• 28:02
  and that's a huge part of the equation.
• 28:04
  But let's also not forget we have ghrelin and leptin, which
• 28:08
  are our appetite hormones. We've got insulin that's
• 28:13
  exciting. We have serotonin we so there's
• 28:18
  a whole lot more of the hormone situation than than just
• 28:22
  reproduction. So The thing is, if you, these
• 28:25
  work in Symphony, they work like it literally like a Symphony
• 28:29
  Orchestra. So you've got all the
• 28:30
  instruments playing there, but you need a conductor to make it
• 28:34
  harmonize. And if you suddenly take the
• 28:36
  string instruments off the stage and say, I'll tell you what,
• 28:38
  woodwind, brass and percussion, you just carry on.
• 28:41
  But I'll tell you what, some of you are going to have to like
• 28:43
  compensate a little bit because we don't have the strings there
• 28:44
  anymore. And so someone's playing louder
• 28:46
  here. And, and now what we've got is a
• 28:48
  cacophony kind of imbalance because the major, the strings
• 28:53
  have disappeared. That's what happens when we stay
• 28:56
  in Utah. All the other hormones start
• 28:58
  jumping up and down and going, no, me, me, I need to fill the
• 29:00
  gap. I need to like overcome the fact
• 29:03
  that these ones are missing. And we get extremes of spiking
• 29:08
  and all kinds of things. So hormone harmony is pillar
• 29:10
  number six. And then #7 is mental health and
• 29:14
  happiness. So this is where back to my
• 29:17
  roots, right with with the anthrazoology, the human animal
• 29:21
  relationship thing. Trust building, improving
• 29:25
  experience, life training, enrichment, what else?
• 29:30
  Desensitization, socialization, play, all the good stuff, right?
• 29:35
  So that all comes under that pillar.
• 29:37
  Now you can do that in a bazillion different ways and in
• 29:40
  fact, in each one of these 7 facets, if you like, it's
• 29:43
  hundreds of different things that you could do and choose
• 29:46
  from to tweak up, to dial up, to improve that welfare and to
• 29:50
  rewild the body again so that it stays stronger and healthier
• 29:53
  like a wild animal. You get to choose.
• 29:57
  That's the beauty of this, because the foundation science
• 30:00
  is all you need to have a, to have to, to rest it all on if
• 30:04
  you like. That's your grounding.
• 30:06
  And then you just decide based on where you are in the world,
• 30:09
  how old you are, how old your pets are, how much money you've
• 30:11
  got, what's accessible to you, what kind of lifestyle you have,
• 30:14
  all the other variables of life. And there's always going to be
• 30:18
  plenty of things for you to choose from that fit you rather
• 30:22
  than it being a prescription of you must, you shouldn't, you
• 30:25
  never can't, you know, that kind of thing.
• 30:27
  So it's a model that allows for 100% flexibility, but in a very
• 30:33
  systematic way. 7 areas of your life.
• 30:36
  And if you just dial up the something in each one of those
• 30:39
  areas, you're already going to see massive results.
• 30:41
  Wow. You are so good at explaining
• 30:45
  things. You are so good with your words.
• 30:49
  Thank you. I have like a ton of follow up
• 30:52
  and your analogies and. Yeah, yeah, I know so many
• 30:55
  people were jumping on while you were going over the seven
• 30:57
  pillars. So we'll go back at the AT
• 30:59
  towards the end. We'll we'll we'll have you just
• 31:01
  kind of like quickly, you know, recap what this course is, but
• 31:06
  Adrian has a whole lot of questions for you.
• 31:08
  Well. Yeah, I mean.
• 31:10
  So first of all, I think one of the, I don't know which ones,
• 31:14
  first of all, OK, the natural, the natural, bringing the
• 31:18
  natural world back in. That is what I love that you
• 31:23
  said that because I think that is one of the things that we
• 31:26
  have indoor cats. We have indoor cats because we
• 31:28
  live in Las Vegas. We've got Hawks in our yard,
• 31:31
  coyotes everywhere, cars, all of that.
• 31:34
  And you know, when we lived in Tennessee, we did let our cats
• 31:37
  go in and out. We also lost a cat that way.
• 31:40
  So it's kind of like everyone's staying inside.
• 31:43
  So we built a catio. So right.
• 31:44
  But a catio is something. Right, like that's one of those
• 31:47
  things where does your budget, does your lifestyle allow for?
• 31:50
  Does your HOA allow for it? You know, can you give a can you
• 31:53
  give a hint on something that for someone who is really they
• 31:56
  live in an apartment in New York and.
• 31:59
  They've. Got a cat?
• 32:00
  What's 1 little thing that could help?
• 32:04
  I mean, you talked about the five different spheres.
• 32:09
  I, I didn't even know there were that many.
• 32:11
  So I have questions about that, but the what's 1 little tweak
• 32:15
  that someone could make in that kind of very enclosed situation
• 32:18
  that could help bring that the the natural healing benefits, as
• 32:22
  you said of the wild back into their home open the.
• 32:26
  Window, yeah. That's a good one.
• 32:29
  Wow. Open the window.
• 32:31
  Two things are going to happen when you do that, depending on
• 32:33
  which window on the House it is, right?
• 32:35
  But you're going to release the glass from the from the aperture
• 32:39
  if you like. Which means that actual sunlight
• 32:42
  can come in, the cat can lie in that little sun pool there and
• 32:46
  receive the healing benefits of the sun.
• 32:48
  Second thing that's gonna happen is that air is gonna come in.
• 32:51
  And air carries all kinds of information that we are
• 32:54
  oblivious to because our noses are fairly subpar when it comes
• 32:58
  to detecting pheromones, pollen, chemical messaging, all kinds of
• 33:03
  stuff. There's so much information on
• 33:05
  the air in the wind, if you like, that our animals are able
• 33:09
  to detect, tells them who's in the neighborhood, who's on heat,
• 33:13
  what season it is, what time of day it is, what the trees are
• 33:16
  doing. There's just, there's tons of
• 33:18
  information. And so when we have everything
• 33:20
  all shut down and all closed off, that's like being told to,
• 33:24
  you know, cover your eyes and close your ears.
• 33:26
  Like for us, you know, sensorily we, we get deprived of that and
• 33:29
  we're like, but but what's going on?
• 33:31
  I like, I tell me like I I don't know.
• 33:33
  And so they live in this place of I don't know what's going on.
• 33:36
  And when we live perpetua in a place of I don't know what's
• 33:39
  going on, it affects our confidence, which then effects
• 33:44
  our behaviour, which then effects our security and our
• 33:48
  relationship and it spirals down.
• 33:50
  So the more information, meaningful information that we
• 33:53
  can allow our cats to access, the more they stay in that
• 33:57
  present and and consciously computing kind of place because
• 34:02
  there's information that's coming in, There's no
• 34:04
  information input. They're centrally deprived,
• 34:08
  which means ultimately they're mentally deprived, which then
• 34:11
  has an effect on relationship, quality of life and all the
• 34:13
  other things. So even in a time space like an
• 34:16
  apartment, that's one example, right?
• 34:19
  But there are things that you can do to mimic the quality of
• 34:22
  air that you might get out of the seaside or the OR on top of
• 34:26
  a mountain that you might not get in Manhattan, right?
• 34:29
  So an air purifier that is also going to ionize the air
• 34:33
  molecules and turn them into negative ions instead of
• 34:37
  positive, that's going to have hugely healing benefits in the
• 34:41
  animal system, right? Our #1 intake into the body is
• 34:46
  air. Now we're, we're looking for the
• 34:48
  oxygen, but we're taking in air and then we're detoxing out the
• 34:54
  carbon dioxide. So if that air has a positive
• 34:58
  charge on it, the way that cities have, because conditioned
• 35:02
  air and polluted air gains that positive charge, right?
• 35:06
  It's actually draining on the body.
• 35:08
  It adds to a toxic burden. This is why doctors of old used
• 35:12
  to say to people who lived in London when it was all smoky and
• 35:15
  nasty, gosh, you're going to go down to Brighton and sit on the
• 35:18
  seaside and breathe the sea air, right?
• 35:20
  Because they didn't know the signs of it, but they knew the
• 35:22
  effect of it. Air can be made really healthy
• 35:25
  with an ionizer that you can put in your apartment.
• 35:29
  So you've just changed the quality of the air.
• 35:30
  So you can do that. You can fill the bathtub, right,
• 35:34
  with, you know, a little bit like this of salty water and
• 35:38
  allow like a miniature seaside effect and take your cats into
• 35:41
  the salty water, which is then they put their little paws in
• 35:44
  that and they play around and you're there to help them make
• 35:46
  it fun, right? They can chase some things and
• 35:48
  whatever else. Now they're in a little seaside,
• 35:50
  so they're detoxing, right? The saltiness pulls out toxins
• 35:55
  from their paw pads, which is one of the best places to get a
• 35:57
  detox going, right. So they're detoxing.
• 36:01
  They're also resetting their mineral balance because you've
• 36:03
  got sea salt. Please don't use table salt.
• 36:05
  You're using sea salt, right? Or what we could do.
• 36:07
  We can get a great big sheet off the bed.
• 36:09
  Put lay that out on the ground in the in the living room
• 36:12
  somewhere nice and big, this big old white sheet down on the
• 36:15
  table. Now what we're going to get is
• 36:17
  12 different herbs. We're going to get some
• 36:19
  rosebuds, we're going to get some lavender.
• 36:20
  We're going to get some thyme, some some Marigold, some
• 36:24
  calendula. We're going to get catnip,
• 36:26
  whatever, right? Doesn't matter the and, and
• 36:28
  you're going to make little piles of this.
• 36:30
  Some of it can be fresh, some of it can be dried.
• 36:32
  Just again, doesn't matter. We're now going to let the cat
• 36:34
  come out and play in the herb garden, play in the Rose garden,
• 36:38
  nibble, lick, chew, lie on, scatter around and pounce on it.
• 36:42
  It doesn't matter. They're having fun and you've
• 36:44
  got it all in a sheet to just tip out the window.
• 36:46
  You know when you're done with it, right?
• 36:49
  So you can do so many things, have we?
• 36:51
  Have we discussed that before the herb gardens or herb gardens
• 36:55
  herbs? Herbs with an H please.
• 36:58
  No, we've not. That's so funny.
• 37:00
  We just in July, we launched herb gardens for the herb
• 37:05
  gardens for cats. Oh, that's.
• 37:06
  Perfect and. And and the herbalist that makes
• 37:10
  it is here. Oh, there you go.
• 37:12
  Well, you. Pay me 20 bucks later on for
• 37:14
  doing that. No, I've got exact same.
• 37:16
  Thing we say the exact same thing.
• 37:18
  Just lay out a a sheet, a blanket, a rug, whatever and put
• 37:21
  the let them self select because self so in Oh my God.
• 37:27
  So I asked for one thing, and you've got.
• 37:28
  So like, I didn't even know about the ionization of the air
• 37:32
  molecules. I didn't either.
• 37:34
  We obviously. Need to get a new air purifier
• 37:36
  air filter or something. Yes, I.
• 37:39
  Think that'd be good also for us with our breath work?
• 37:43
  Right. And we should just.
• 37:44
  Have that next to us when we're doing our our sessions.
• 37:48
  Nice, yeah. I mean, it's super healthy for
• 37:50
  everyone in the house, not just the pets, right?
• 37:52
  So it's a win for everyone. I thought I, I think it was
• 37:56
  Tanya that asked and you know, when you talked about
• 37:58
  detoxification, I think that we're kind of in that boat too
• 38:02
  of like, Oh well, Jack's up there in a scratcher.
• 38:05
  If there's, if it's noisy, we're in that kind of like, you know,
• 38:09
  if they get a vaccine, you know, if they get, if they have
• 38:13
  anesthesia or if they need some kind of prescription, then we
• 38:17
  want to help detoxify. And it's kind of a more of a
• 38:20
  situational thing, no? But, but I mean, truth is like
• 38:24
  talk, like we can't avoid, no matter how many chemicals we
• 38:27
  take out of our house, no matter what we do, the, the, our, our
• 38:32
  earth is toxic, right? Our air is toxic.
• 38:34
  Like there's, there's so much talk.
• 38:36
  Talk a little bit more about the, the detox and how like, how
• 38:40
  often do you recommend that that people would, you know, detox
• 38:45
  their cats if you would? Right.
• 38:47
  The answer to that is daily. If you're going to feed them
• 38:49
  daily, detox them daily. Like that's, that's the, that's
• 38:52
  the, the, the way forward right now.
• 38:55
  Let's remember, detox doesn't have to be complicated and it's,
• 38:59
  it doesn't have to be saved up for an event.
• 39:02
  It is lifestyle. They are doing a detoxification
• 39:06
  every time they take a breath. We just talked about that
• 39:08
  because they don't detoxing is getting out of the body things
• 39:11
  that are poisonous for the body. Carbon dioxide is poisonous for
• 39:15
  the body. So out it goes.
• 39:18
  They're doing it all the time, right?
• 39:20
  They don't sweat an awful lot, just their nose pads and paws
• 39:23
  can do that, right? But they are still going to
• 39:26
  eliminate toxins through their pores, which is why I say a salt
• 39:30
  bath can be amazing for for helping with that.
• 39:33
  So naturally a body has 6 detox pathways because toxins come in
• 39:39
  different shapes and sizes and they get in in different ways
• 39:41
  and they need to come out in different ways.
• 39:44
  So you are not going to sweat, poop, for example.
• 39:49
  Thank the Lord for that, right? So right, that's going to come
• 39:53
  out one way. But other toxins are going to
• 39:56
  come out through your skin. You're not going to suddenly
• 39:59
  like have all of your breathing gases come out of your tear
• 40:02
  ducts, right? So there are, there are 60,
• 40:06
  there are 60 tox pathways and the body is doing that anyway.
• 40:10
  But here's the thing, like you said.
• 40:12
  It's way more toxic now than it used to be.
• 40:15
  Used to be that those pathways would do all the heavy lifting
• 40:19
  by themselves because it wasn't that much poison to get rid of.
• 40:23
  Different story now. So when they're young, they're
• 40:25
  usually doing it pretty well and they're getting rid of it.
• 40:27
  And it's an arms race, right? The longer you live, the more
• 40:30
  the toxins are building out. The younger you are, the more
• 40:33
  you can overcome that. And so you sit up here in this
• 40:36
  place of health, sooner or later there comes a point now where
• 40:41
  this one takes over. And what happens then is you
• 40:45
  start to get symptoms appearing. But if you were able to do this
• 40:51
  and push that one back down again, symptoms go away, right?
• 40:54
  That's called health, the restoration of health called
• 40:58
  healing, right? We're not allowed to use these
• 41:00
  words. But this is what's happening in
• 41:01
  the body at a biological level, right?
• 41:03
  It wasn't a magical drug. It's a, you know, it's the body
• 41:06
  fixing itself. Because at the end of the day,
• 41:09
  that is the only thing that's going to do that.
• 41:13
  No drug, no doctor, no longevity scientist, no supplement, no
• 41:17
  wonder food, no prescription, no formula is going to do the
• 41:23
  healing process. Their immune system is going to
• 41:29
  do that. Their immune system sometimes
• 41:32
  requires some raw materials. If they've had access to the raw
• 41:36
  materials, their immune system works.
• 41:39
  If they don't have access to those raw materials, the immune
• 41:42
  system's going to keep trying and do the best it can, but it's
• 41:44
  not going to be optimized and at some point it's not going to be
• 41:48
  able to deliver health because the other stuff's going to build
• 41:52
  up. So we want to be doing things
• 41:53
  that support their immune system.
• 41:58
  Wow. I want this course just for the
• 42:01
  six I know, mainly because I'm grateful we don't sweat poop.
• 42:07
  Right, you had to hear first. Really great way to explain
• 42:12
  that. OK, so one more.
• 42:15
  I don't even know where we're running on time because we're
• 42:16
  not on stream air, but it's after 2:00 AM for you now.
• 42:20
  But that's fun. You know, you were talking one
• 42:23
  of the pillars is hormone health.
• 42:25
  And I love the analogy that you used of it being a Symphony.
• 42:28
  And then when we spay, neuter, we take the strings away and we,
• 42:32
  you know, all the other players are then trying to kind of fill
• 42:36
  those gaps with our cats, especially in the US, you know,
• 42:40
  there's, it is a very controversial thing, not spay or
• 42:44
  neuter. What do you consider in in
• 42:47
  situations like this where we do have feral colonies, community
• 42:50
  cats, lots and lots of litters that were unexpected
• 42:54
  pregnancies? Yeah, the majority.
• 42:57
  Of our community are they're just such beautiful people and
• 43:00
  they, they, they rescue cats right like you.
• 43:04
  Know they're. They're working in they're like
• 43:06
  usually they have their own cats in their house and then they're
• 43:09
  also feeding, you know, a colony over here or, you know, trying
• 43:13
  to do TNR to get, you know, the to, to cut down on the on the
• 43:19
  population communities. And there's really just, you
• 43:25
  know, there's there's no like option available to not spay or
• 43:31
  neuter unless you happen to, you know, find a kitten on the side
• 43:34
  of the road that, you know, left his mom or something, right?
• 43:39
  So we could go ahead. But I was just.
• 43:42
  Going to say it with with the amount of knowledge that you
• 43:46
  have about how that Symphony works together, what's some
• 43:49
  insight you can share for those of us that have already spayed
• 43:53
  and neutered or what would you consider to be best practices
• 43:56
  just Percy aside, so the first. Thing is to acknowledge, as you
• 44:00
  said, you know, and not have an elephant in the room, right, but
• 44:04
  acknowledge that there's a really strong welfare argument
• 44:07
  to make on both sides of the coin here, right?
• 44:10
  We want to have a cat in safe homes where they're not on the
• 44:13
  street, they're not in shelters, they're not at risk of losing
• 44:15
  their life. Or this is critically important
• 44:17
  at the same time at the individual level, because that's
• 44:21
  more population level. At the individual level, what's
• 44:24
  best for this one or that one or whatever one.
• 44:27
  And, and, and when we have a conflict, we need to start
• 44:31
  getting clever, right? Because we can have win, win,
• 44:34
  right? So I'm not about throwing the
• 44:35
  baby out with the bathwater or making enemies on the other
• 44:38
  side. I don't believe in other side,
• 44:40
  right? That's rubbish.
• 44:41
  We're all in it together. We love our cats.
• 44:42
  So what we want to do is find something that solves both
• 44:46
  problems or find a way to to get creative with this.
• 44:53
  So biology from a biology perspective, right?
• 44:58
  First of all, no cats out in the wild are getting hysterectomies
• 45:02
  and losing their boy bits. Like it just doesn't happen,
• 45:04
  right? So it's not a natural thing to
• 45:08
  come and do this again. I'm going to have my zoologist
• 45:10
  lens on this, right? However, we do have instances of
• 45:15
  sterility in animals where they just don't have babies because
• 45:19
  there's something that's not working, right?
• 45:20
  OK, so, and we know in humans, right, we would never take a
• 45:25
  child of seven, let's say, or whatever, and say, let's do a
• 45:28
  hysterectomy on her because, you know, we don't want her to have
• 45:32
  like we, it's unthinkable. Like it's just unthinkable,
• 45:35
  right? But that's what we're doing.
• 45:37
  So we are taking a very, very young animal before they've gone
• 45:43
  through puberty and learned what it's like to be in that body and
• 45:48
  how to cope with those things and allow those hormones to
• 45:50
  operate in a way that is teaching the brain, teaching the
• 45:54
  body, helping it grow, setting it up for life.
• 45:56
  All those things. We take that away and don't let
• 45:58
  them even have a fighting chance.
• 45:59
  So there's no wonder that a whole lot of things start to
• 46:02
  break. So from a biological point of
• 46:05
  view, this is a stupid idea, right?
• 46:08
  From a population point of view, it's only because we are stupid
• 46:13
  and don't necessarily have full ethical responsibility in the
• 46:17
  way that we look after domestic animals that we have this
• 46:21
  problem. The 1st place, not the cats
• 46:22
  problem. They're not going around having
• 46:23
  a problem, they're living life, right?
• 46:25
  But we have, we've allowed something to grow out of, so
• 46:28
  we've got responsibility to fix it.
• 46:30
  So here's the nice news, right, is that we can do something
• 46:34
  called an organ sparing spay or an organ sparing neutering,
• 46:40
  right? And we're just going to cut some
• 46:42
  tubes. I'm going to simplify this as if
• 46:44
  I was a surgeon, right? But we are going to do a
• 46:46
  vasectomy or we're going to cut the fallopian tube.
• 46:49
  So now there's nothing that's missing from the animal's body.
• 46:54
  We haven't removed any healthy tissue.
• 46:56
  Why would we remove healthy tissue?
• 46:57
  That's not health. That's not smart.
• 47:00
  Like, we remove unhealthy tissue if it's necrotic, right?
• 47:03
  To save an animal's life. But we don't remember removing
• 47:06
  healthy. Oh, you know what?
• 47:07
  I got rid of my arm today. Why?
• 47:09
  I was in the way. I was trying to sleep on my
• 47:10
  side, and it was in the way. The spare arm thing, you know?
• 47:13
  Well, so I got rid of it. Nobody's gonna do that.
• 47:15
  It's good healthy tissue, right? It's gonna function.
• 47:17
  It's it's there for a purpose. Why would I cut it off?
• 47:21
  Right? So I'm gonna keep my arms.
• 47:25
  These are analogies, right? But so let's keep the healthy
• 47:29
  tissue in the body doing its job, what it's supposed to do
• 47:33
  for a whole host of different reasons, aside from the fact
• 47:36
  that it will help with the pregnancy, right?
• 47:37
  Let's just stop the pregnancy bit.
• 47:40
  Well, there's an A to B, so let's cut the passage by and
• 47:44
  well, that's the end of babies then.
• 47:45
  So that's as simple as it needs to be.
• 47:48
  And then you've got a much less invasive procedure, you got
• 47:51
  lower recovery time, you got less time anaesthesia from the
• 47:55
  risks of all that happening. What you can do is allow the cat
• 47:59
  to go through in in go through adolescence so that they can
• 48:04
  have that hormonal expression for their growth, for
• 48:07
  understanding the world, for getting their cognitive
• 48:09
  faculties and things. And then when they reach about
• 48:13
  one year of age, which is when I say they've reached 4 tier
• 48:17
  maturity. So there's sexual maturity,
• 48:19
  there's physical maturity, the body is fully grown,
• 48:22
  intellectual maturity and cognitive maturity, right?
• 48:25
  And so when they've reached that mark, which is about at the 12
• 48:27
  month mark for a cat, it varies a little bit with dogs according
• 48:31
  to breed size because they can be a bit slower then we can have
• 48:36
  say they are now in a healthy position to be a functioning
• 48:39
  proper adult cat, right? And now we can do that little
• 48:43
  cut not going to have babies. So there's a small window of
• 48:46
  time between about the five month mark mark and the 12 month
• 48:50
  mark. So about seven months where the
• 48:52
  pet parent needs to be responsible in the management
• 48:54
  and the behaviour and the access that that cat has so that we
• 48:57
  don't have the unwanted pregnancies.
• 48:59
  And that way we can get the best of both worlds.
• 49:02
  We can have the no excess unwanted babies pregnancy
• 49:06
  shelter situation, right? But we haven't compromised our
• 49:10
  baby over here and suddenly taken 10 years off their lives
• 49:12
  life by doing something horrific to them when they're a baby.
• 49:16
  Wow. I'm excited for.
• 49:18
  I've never heard that analogy. Yeah.
• 49:20
  And being in Spain and listening to Doctor Peter Tobias talk
• 49:22
  about the stuff, it's just and it's just kind of mind blowing
• 49:29
  and it's exciting to think. I know that he's doing a lot of
• 49:31
  work. And the dog.
• 49:32
  As well as you. Are trying to get that the
• 49:37
  status of care to kind of change to be a whole different protocol
• 49:41
  for and just. And just to follow up on that
• 49:44
  briefly, I can't go into a lot of detail now, but where, where
• 49:47
  we've already made that decision or where was made for us in a
• 49:50
  shelter when we've adopted, all of my babies have been rescued.
• 49:52
  So they've already come pre done.
• 49:54
  You know, I didn't have a say in that.
• 49:57
  So we are familiar with HRT right here, 1 replacement
• 50:00
  therapy, but there's hot, right? And I like this because it's
• 50:03
  hormone optimization therapy, right?
• 50:06
  So we can use hot with our animals.
• 50:08
  It's a very, very young science, but this can help fill some of
• 50:12
  the gaps for the ones that have already had a procedure and have
• 50:16
  lost that tissue. Because let's remember that
• 50:19
  those those organs are actually also glands, right?
• 50:23
  So a gland is tissue that is going to secrete out hormones
• 50:28
  and pheromones and things, right?
• 50:29
  So it's secreting. My heart doesn't secrete.
• 50:32
  My heart is an organ, right? It's not a gland as well, but
• 50:35
  ovaries are a gland and a hormone and an organ together,
• 50:39
  right? So when that's when that tissue
• 50:43
  is gone, those signals are gone, which is why I say that Symphony
• 50:45
  Orchestra starts going out of kilter a little bit.
• 50:49
  So we use heart to help fill the gaps of what's missing.
• 50:54
  And they're in this amazing new science being done mostly with
• 50:57
  peptides that is really pushing the the progress forward on how
• 51:03
  we can soften the blow of what might have happened on the
• 51:07
  biological side for their their span unit procedures.
• 51:11
  Wow. That's so exciting.
• 51:14
  OK. I know that we're on Zoom and I
• 51:15
  know that we're out of time and the the link for you.
• 51:20
  Oh no, I. Just texted it to myself so I
• 51:22
  could put it in the that's. What I was doing?
• 51:24
  OK. So this whole course, tell us a
• 51:29
  little bit more about the course.
• 51:30
  Like, how long is it? Yeah.
• 51:32
  And what? All what all do you get with it?
• 51:34
  Like when you when you sign up for the course, what, what can
• 51:37
  you expect? OK, so the course is is animal
• 51:40
  anti aging. So this is this is the the sum
• 51:43
  total of all those years of my studies bringing it down into
• 51:47
  some really like here's the theory and here's what you can
• 51:50
  do. So it's 8 weeks, we take one
• 51:53
  pillar each week running all the way through and, and week #8 is
• 51:58
  your free topic. So as we go, people are going to
• 52:00
  have questions. This stuff's going to become
• 52:02
  interesting. We're going to take a little
• 52:03
  vote and we'll, I'll do a special personalized lecture on
• 52:06
  the last one for our celebration right in week 8.
• 52:09
  But we're going to take one pillar at a time and go in deep
• 52:12
  and give you those foundation points to what's the, what's
• 52:16
  the, the, the first principles? What's the foundation of this?
• 52:19
  Why is species inappropriate nutrition, for example, so
• 52:22
  important? Because if you don't understand
• 52:24
  why, then you're probably not going to do the thing because it
• 52:26
  won't make sense and you'll feel like you can cut a corner.
• 52:29
  OK. And that's fine if that's what
• 52:31
  you choose to do. But if you're going for the best
• 52:34
  of the best and you want to know how this gives you the ability
• 52:37
  to do that and take it in any direction that suits you.
• 52:41
  So 8 weeks where we're meeting for we're meeting live on Zoom.
• 52:46
  I'm teaching this live. This isn't pre recorded thing
• 52:48
  where you sit at home and take some notes and kind of fall
• 52:50
  asleep halfway through. We're going to chat, right?
• 52:53
  And we're going to do Q&A's after every session so that you
• 52:56
  can, you know, get everything unravelled for you and, and make
• 52:59
  it clear and all the rest of it. There's action stuff in there.
• 53:02
  OK, I said before, oh, I'm not going to talk about that now
• 53:04
  because, but let me briefly mention it.
• 53:07
  So for each pillar, we have an in and out and an optimize.
• 53:11
  So there are things that we're going to bring into the body or
• 53:13
  into our life, right? That's we're going to tweak
• 53:15
  things and and improve them with them some in.
• 53:18
  So we're going to pick an in and we're going to do an in and
• 53:20
  we're going to practically do an in so that you can do an in and
• 53:22
  start to make this real. Because it's one thing to learn
• 53:25
  it, it's another thing to actually give it, right.
• 53:27
  Then we're going to look at out what do we need to purge from
• 53:30
  the body or cut out of the like, not cut out, but like cut out of
• 53:33
  our lifestyle. What do we need to remove from
• 53:35
  our environment? So I'm going to get rid of
• 53:37
  something. Yeah.
• 53:38
  And then we're going to optimize.
• 53:39
  What can we tweak and dial up the needle?
• 53:41
  So what can we do that is going above and beyond the basics
• 53:45
  because I know you don't just want basics, you want the best
• 53:47
  of the best. So I'm going to optimize as
• 53:49
  well. So there's a practical component
• 53:51
  to this, but it's very bite size and achievable.
• 53:53
  And here's the thing, you can come back to this course and do
• 53:56
  it over again if you want to, because you've got lifetime
• 53:58
  access to it. And as I make the course better
• 54:00
  and better over time, you'll get the upgrades for free, right?
• 54:03
  And so now you're getting more and more information because
• 54:05
  each time I teach it, it's going to have different nuances and
• 54:07
  feels to it. And for your next pet, you're
• 54:09
  going to go, well, that's not so appropriate for what I used to
• 54:12
  do, so I'm going to do this other thing instead, or I'm
• 54:14
  going to do both or whatever. So you still get to always be
• 54:18
  the master of your destiny in the what are we doing?
• 54:22
  But you've got, I love the power and the you're empowered, I
• 54:26
  guess, because you understand the foundation.
• 54:28
  And when you understand the foundation, you can take it in
• 54:30
  any direction, tailor it to you and then look at that.
• 54:34
  So we, we can look at how much. Let me first say that another
• 54:41
  way. They're in each one of the
• 54:42
  pillars. There's probably, I could easily
• 54:44
  write a list of 100 things, right?
• 54:45
  You don't need 700 things in your life.
• 54:48
  This is not about doing more. This is about simplifying,
• 54:52
  right? And taking it down, right, by
• 54:55
  making smarter choices that I've can show you, right?
• 55:00
  Make the difference. That's what we're doing.
• 55:06
  Oh my God. OK.
• 55:08
  What's? What's we're gonna wrap it up,
• 55:10
  but what is what is one thing that all of us can do like what
• 55:14
  is 1 habit that you wish that every cat parent already had in
• 55:18
  their pocket that you Oh my goodness, we.
• 55:21
  Were. Yeah, I'm sure you have.
• 55:24
  A million. But if there were like, if you
• 55:26
  were like, what's a favorite? 1.
• 55:27
  Of your favorite things that if you could change the world of
• 55:30
  the cat like the the cat world, then what would you instill in
• 55:36
  every cat parent or guardians? Mind.
• 55:40
  That they would change. Mm hmm.
• 55:43
  OK, I I have a personal hatred, like a vendetta against chronic
• 55:49
  kidney disease. I loathe it.
• 55:51
  It doesn't belong, right? We need to get rid of it.
• 55:54
  The best ways to do that is to prevent it.
• 55:57
  The three best ways to prevent it?
• 55:59
  Increase cats water intake. You probably know that.
• 56:02
  You probably heard that right. Makes sense increase their
• 56:06
  omega-3 significantly increasing your omega-3 will not only age
• 56:12
  you in reverse, right it'll keep everything working better and
• 56:15
  protect you right and everything that I teach almost everything I
• 56:20
  teach for the animals can be applied to ourselves, right
• 56:23
  right. Because a cell is a cell, right.
• 56:25
  A system is a system of heart is a heart right?
• 56:27
  They're going to work in the same ways chronic kidney
• 56:30
  diseases arises because the kidney has to overwork compared
• 56:34
  to the rest of the body. Why is it working harder than
• 56:36
  the rest of the body? Because you can.
• 56:38
  A cat ancestrally is a desert species.
• 56:40
  It's not a free drinker. It's designed to conserve water,
• 56:43
  which means the kidneys are already going to be working a
• 56:46
  little bit harder to work out how much water can we pull back
• 56:50
  from the urine and save to operate in the body?
• 56:53
  And then we're going to just excrete the minimum amount
• 56:56
  necessary. They're already working hard.
• 56:58
  If you're on a cable diet, you're going to make that cat
• 57:00
  dehydrated for its entire life. And that kidneys, he's going to
• 57:04
  have to work harder and harder all the time to conserve some
• 57:07
  water because chances are your cat's not going to be free
• 57:09
  drinking because you're not thinking about that and doing
• 57:10
  the hacks that I teach them how to get cats to drink more,
• 57:13
  right? And so they're going to sit
• 57:14
  there under par and that kidney's going to go, Oh my God,
• 57:17
  I'm going to work again. I didn't even get a break.
• 57:19
  It's now the 954th day in a row and I haven't had a holiday,
• 57:22
  right? And it's going to keep working.
• 57:23
  And then it's going to go, oh, you know, I give up.
• 57:28
  And then we have chronic. And so we don't want that.
• 57:30
  So let's stop that from happening.
• 57:32
  Let's add extra water to the food.
• 57:35
  That makes a big difference. The kidneys don't have to work
• 57:38
  so hard, right? Let's add Omega threes because
• 57:41
  that makes a huge difference. Huge difference.
• 57:43
  You can actually usually reduce the symptomology if it's already
• 57:47
  established by about 50%, right? You can, you can improve markets
• 57:51
  in kidney disease by, by increasing omega-3.
• 57:54
  Good omega-3 oil is not oil. You've got to choose the right
• 57:57
  one #3 collagen. Nobody knows this because it's
• 58:01
  only being done in wild animals. So the research hasn't come
• 58:03
  across into the veterinary world, right?
• 58:05
  But increasing collagen intake to around about 30% of a cat's
• 58:10
  average in standard bowl, right? So we're talking ligaments,
• 58:14
  tendons, connective tissue, fascia.
• 58:16
  We're talking about cartilage, right?
• 58:21
  That stuff that's they need to have about 30% of their bowl
• 58:25
  consistently, not just once a day or sorry, not once once a
• 58:28
  week or something like consistently 30% collagen in
• 58:31
  their goal will protect them against getting chronic kidney
• 58:35
  disease. Really, it's a.
• 58:38
  Missed thing. People don't know that this came
• 58:41
  out of this. The research in, in cheetah
• 58:44
  conservation over in Namibia, the cheetahs were being getting
• 58:48
  into trouble, right? And so there are people out
• 58:50
  there for ages at stations doing, you know, monitoring the
• 58:53
  population, the cheetahs walking around with little collars on
• 58:55
  and all the things because they're out in the wild being
• 58:57
  tracked, right? We're learning, scientists
• 58:59
  discovering stuff. These guys are fine.
• 59:01
  They're at risk of poachers and nasty think, but health wise
• 59:04
  they're, they're looking real good, right?
• 59:06
  And then something happens and they have to bring one in
• 59:08
  because it got poached and it hurt its leg or whatever.
• 59:09
  And they risk you and they bring it in.
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  Sometimes they can't release them, sometimes it's not safe to
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  release them back. So they live in this sort of
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  semi captivity place. Those cheetahs started getting
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  chronic kidney disease. The ones out there were not
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  getting it. And so the veterinary wildlife
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  researchers, they started to ask the question, well, what's the
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  difference? It's clearly something to do
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  with captivity, right? But what aspect of it?
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  They did a lot of research. They've looked at all the
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  things. They started to prerogate you to
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  acrobatics. I love it.
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  Come here. Please.
• 59:46
  Can I have a back massage? Thank you.
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  And so Doctor Adrian Tordev did phenomenal work in figuring out
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  that it was the absence of collagen in the cat's diets.
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  When they came into captivity, they started being fed the
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  standard, whatever it was at the time, zoo animal diet for
• 1:00:10
  cheetahs, right, which was collagen deficient strongly.
• 1:00:14
  So they didn't think of it was very important.
• 1:00:16
  Nobody really paid. But when you think about it,
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  right, a body. This is why teaching the in the
• 1:00:21
  in the nutrition pillar, right is A cat typically hunts
• 1:00:26
  something smaller than itself, which means it eats the whole
• 1:00:28
  body. Stop sharing with someone else.
• 1:00:30
  Unless you're a lion, different story.
• 1:00:32
  We're talking about house cats. So you eat the whole prey.
• 1:00:35
  A body is a body is a body. Whether you're a mouse, a zebra,
• 1:00:39
  me or an elephant, right, you are largely going to be
• 1:00:43
  somewhere between 35 and 50% muscle mate, 20% organ, 20%
• 1:00:48
  bone, 60 to 3030 to 60% collagen, right?
• 1:00:52
  That's just the composition. I might have got those names
• 1:00:54
  slightly wrong, but it's closer. But you know, whether you're a
• 1:00:57
  mouse or or a wildebeest, right? Whether a cat's going to eat you
• 1:01:00
  or or a hunting dog going to eat you, the body's about the same
• 1:01:03
  thing. So if we just give the cats
• 1:01:07
  muscle mate and organ mate, but no bones and collagen, well, why
• 1:01:12
  would we imagine for one second that that's appropriate
• 1:01:14
  nutrition? It's good nutrition, but it's
• 1:01:17
  not complete. But those are the four types of
• 1:01:21
  meat. Muscle meat, organ meat,
• 1:01:23
  collagen meat, bone meat, They're all meat.
• 1:01:26
  The source might difference, but it might be different.
• 1:01:29
  Sheep, lamb, pig, cow, deer, rabbit, duck, wildebeest, right?
• 1:01:35
  But that's your source. These are the types of meat, and
• 1:01:39
  the animal eats all four. The great news is these three
• 1:01:44
  cheapest chips, nobody in the human world wants those.
• 1:01:46
  So you can fill up their bowl with all the protein that they
• 1:01:48
  need, right, For $0.50, right? It's nothing, because nobody
• 1:01:52
  wants that. The muscle meat's the expensive
• 1:01:54
  bit. And cats only need about half
• 1:01:56
  their bowl to be the muscle meat.
• 1:01:59
  So when we put the collagen back into the cheetah's diet, there
• 1:02:03
  we go. There goes kidney disease.
• 1:02:04
  Bye. Fantastic.
• 1:02:06
  So put that together with what we already know about with the
• 1:02:09
  oil and the water. We can protect it.
• 1:02:12
  We can prevent it. Wow.
• 1:02:15
  OK, so this. Is a new podcast.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah. I think we need to have a whole
• 1:02:19
  other podcast just on that alone for sure.
• 1:02:24
  Important, yeah, but that's what I wish every cat parent knew.
• 1:02:29
  Like you need to go back to your question like for four hours
• 1:02:31
  ago. Like that would be what I would
• 1:02:32
  like everyone to know because that's the number one, you know,
• 1:02:35
  the the Grim Reaper with their side coming up behind every
• 1:02:38
  Kitty and was just like, let's get rid of him, right?
• 1:02:41
  Let's protect them. Let's give them their suit of
• 1:02:43
  armour. Let's build up their immune
• 1:02:44
  system and and give them that protection.
• 1:02:47
  But detox is another. I know we've touched on it a
• 1:02:50
  couple of times here, but I really, honestly, cats are like
• 1:02:52
  the Canary in the coal mine, like the proverbial, you know,
• 1:02:55
  take the Canary down, stop seeing because it died.
• 1:02:57
  We'll get the miners out, right? The cat is that in our house,
• 1:03:01
  right? They're about 110th the size of
• 1:03:03
  us, which means they're getting 10 times more concentrated than
• 1:03:07
  we are when it comes to toxins. And they are most likely going
• 1:03:10
  to be spending more time in the house than we are.
• 1:03:12
  So it's going to be even higher than that.
• 1:03:14
  So if we're not detoxifying our kiddies, it's no wonder that
• 1:03:18
  they're accumulating diseases. And it's so easy.
• 1:03:22
  It's as simple as I don't have anything with me here, so I'm
• 1:03:24
  just gonna pretend that this is the right in staff.
• 1:03:26
  It's as simple as this is their water bowl.
• 1:03:29
  This is the the product that I love.
• 1:03:32
  And you go and put some in their water bowl and then you say come
• 1:03:36
  drink this. And they go, I don't like
• 1:03:38
  drinking water because I'm a cat.
• 1:03:39
  And I say no to have another sniff because I think you will
• 1:03:41
  like this because cats can actually taste water.
• 1:03:44
  They can taste individual amino acids.
• 1:03:46
  We can't do that. They're amazing.
• 1:03:47
  Their tongues are awesome and they can taste water like a
• 1:03:51
  little wine specialist. They're like, oh, this one,
• 1:03:53
  right. So they're very selective about
• 1:03:56
  their water. I put down water with this stuff
• 1:03:58
  in it. They go, go, Oh my gosh, give me
• 1:04:00
  more. I've drunk the whole thing.
• 1:04:02
  So not only are they now getting an increase in water content,
• 1:04:05
  but they're getting all the medicinal.
• 1:04:07
  And I say that very carefully because it's a completely
• 1:04:09
  natural product, not my lip gloss.
• 1:04:12
  The the medicinal value, right, of those minerals that are going
• 1:04:16
  in their water. They want to drink mineral
• 1:04:18
  water, right? Mineral water is water that came
• 1:04:21
  out of the rocks and out of the soil and it got filtered by the
• 1:04:24
  rocks. It's all natural.
• 1:04:25
  It's structured water. It's got this complexity to it.
• 1:04:28
  It tastes delicious. Cats know that it's healthy
• 1:04:30
  because it's moving water, right?
• 1:04:32
  Stagnant water in nature is dangerous, danger water.
• 1:04:36
  That's why they don't want to drink out the bowl.
• 1:04:38
  They want to see a nice flowing stream.
• 1:04:40
  So you get in the fountains and now they're drinking, right?
• 1:04:42
  But if you add some minerals to their water, they're going to
• 1:04:46
  drink that, they're going to protect their kidneys, and at
• 1:04:48
  the same time you're giving them the daily essential nutrients
• 1:04:50
  that they need and you're detoxifying them.
• 1:04:53
  All three things in one product. Amazing.
• 1:04:57
  Wow. Oh my God, I could talk to you
• 1:05:00
  for hours. Are you going to talk to you
• 1:05:02
  needed? 9 hours.
• 1:05:04
  Oh my. God, Penny, thank you so much.
• 1:05:10
  Can't believe it's 2:30 in. The morning to you now.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah. Thank you.
• 1:05:13
  For your patience, thank you for staying up so late.
• 1:05:16
  Thank you for giving us the idea of jumping on Zoom for a podcast
• 1:05:20
  night, which we would have never thought ourselves.
• 1:05:23
  We would have just been like, do you want to try again another
• 1:05:25
  time and send out an apology to everyone so this we're can even
• 1:05:30
  find you. Where can because we're all
• 1:05:32
  obsessed now. The link is in the.
• 1:05:33
  Chat for anyone that's interested in this course and
• 1:05:35
  then you should all be interested.
• 1:05:37
  We're interested in this course so so if you want to sign up
• 1:05:40
  with us, click the link in the chat so so that you can so that
• 1:05:46
  you can check out this amazing course and learn from this
• 1:05:49
  amazing. I didn't know that everything
• 1:05:50
  was live either. I thought it was a more of a
• 1:05:52
  course thing. I didn't realize that you're
• 1:05:54
  going to actually be there coaching that it needs to be.
• 1:05:57
  It needs to be dynamic, and if we're going to implement it,
• 1:05:59
  listen, nobody when they sit at home and does a course by
• 1:06:02
  themselves implements anything. They barely finished the course.
• 1:06:05
  So if we want results, and I want results because I really,
• 1:06:08
  really want your cat to live long and healthy, so I'll be
• 1:06:12
  there live to take you there to do it.
• 1:06:13
  So if you bring your cat, you get bonus points.
• 1:06:19
  Everyone will bring their cat and.
• 1:06:22
  Then we're going to what? What?
• 1:06:23
  What social is it? So I'm on, I'm not particularly
• 1:06:27
  social, I'm very busy doing other things.
• 1:06:28
  But anyway, you'll find me at Doctor Zulu Tool on Instagram.
• 1:06:32
  OK, just at Doctor Zulu Tool, Doctor Zulu tool.co is the
• 1:06:36
  website. There are a bunch of free gifts
• 1:06:38
  on there. If people want to help
• 1:06:40
  themselves to some of the downloads and gifts then that
• 1:06:42
  you can just have a filter around in there.
• 1:06:44
  It's not very comprehensive. There's loads more things that
• 1:06:46
  ioffer. So if you would like, I can grab
• 1:06:48
  a link that might be a little bit more useful in terms of
• 1:06:51
  where people can actually engage and interact is that the URL
• 1:06:57
  won't be fun to learn, but I can.
• 1:06:58
  We can put that in the chat. Just need 2 seconds to do that.
• 1:07:01
  But where am I going here? Also the there is a little shop
• 1:07:10
  that I put together. None of these are my products.
• 1:07:12
  I don't make anything because I'm too busy learning and
• 1:07:14
  teaching. But I know that people want
• 1:07:18
  solutions, that when you go to the doctor, right, you want a
• 1:07:21
  prescription, you want to come out with something, you want to
• 1:07:23
  solve the problem. OK, so I put together a little
• 1:07:26
  storefronts, just Amazon, right? So, but things that actually
• 1:07:29
  work, things that are actually worth spending money on, things
• 1:07:32
  that cover those 7 pillars, things that build your first aid
• 1:07:35
  kit at home, things that will help detoxify the house.
• 1:07:38
  You have a nose around in there. All of that stuff's going to be
• 1:07:41
  in there. And then the other things, let
• 1:07:45
  me find where I've put that, take 2 seconds to grab that.
• 1:07:50
  Here is where you can have more information about what else I'm
• 1:07:56
  teaching, where to find me if you want to work with me, all
• 1:07:59
  the other stuff because the website doesn't cover most of
• 1:08:01
  that. Wow, another link.
• 1:08:04
  For everyone watching on Zoom, go ahead and grab the links and
• 1:08:07
  text them to yourself. And that's.
• 1:08:08
  What I just somewhere? Since doesn't keep them like
• 1:08:12
  they do on on social. Oh my God, you really are, you
• 1:08:17
  know, a powerhouse. And I feel like this is such a a
• 1:08:21
  gift to have you with us because we do all want the best.
• 1:08:25
  None of us are half assed cat parents.
• 1:08:27
  We really want to honor the beautiful little souls that we
• 1:08:33
  live with and and. We all want to prevent like
• 1:08:36
  everything that you were saying, you know, we also have a
• 1:08:39
  horrible relationship with the the stigma that every cat is
• 1:08:46
  going to end up with kidney disease.
• 1:08:48
  Right. And it's just like.
• 1:08:50
  We've been told that so many times from so many veterinarians
• 1:08:53
  and we we don't accept it. So I I love that that's your,
• 1:08:58
  like, that's your. Your big take away.
• 1:09:03
  Yeah. Because think of what if we
• 1:09:05
  just, if every cat parent knew how to do that and it's how easy
• 1:09:08
  is it? Like how easy is that?
• 1:09:11
  It's 3 liquids that you can squirt on their food or put in
• 1:09:13
  their water. Like it's, it's not expensive,
• 1:09:16
  it's not complicated. You don't need a degree for it.
• 1:09:18
  It's not hard to like. It's so simple, right?
• 1:09:22
  Yeah, love you. Thank you, thank you, thank you
• 1:09:25
  so much and thank you guys for coming over to zoom and, and
• 1:09:29
  hanging out here and to, to, to meet Doctor Zoo Little herself
• 1:09:34
  and for for being so awesome. And I'm just going.
• 1:09:37
  To say it right now, we will have you back, Yes, we'll figure
• 1:09:42
  out a different. Platform if we have we can get
• 1:09:44
  you on live with us on social media because you think we do it
• 1:09:47
  that way yes yeah, it's my. Fun.
• 1:09:51
  Yeah. Thank you so much for having me
• 1:09:52
  in the room. Thank you for inviting me
• 1:09:54
  tonight. Thank you for welcome me into
• 1:09:57
  the closet and having struggles with the cats.
• 1:10:00
  Amazing. And to everyone who's joined us,
• 1:10:02
  it's been a pleasure to meet with you all.
• 1:10:04
  And I hope we connect somewhere along the way.
• 1:10:06
  Go get your friend presents. I mean, I want.
• 1:10:08
  I want to bless you. Come and ask me questions, you
• 1:10:10
  know, because this is for you guys.
• 1:10:11
  I love you. So much.
• 1:10:13
  Thank you. Thank you so much.
• 1:10:15
  Thank you guys and you're amazing.
• 1:10:16
  Yeah, now go to. Sleep, we will see you.
• 1:10:18
  Soon, yes.