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36- St. Patrick’s Day Debates: Global Traditions & Leprechauns vs. Fairies · Arguing Ever After

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Hello and welcome to Arguing Ever After.
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I am Luke and this is my redheaded Irish bride, Amber.
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We could use some topics. Yep, always.
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Always. We do still have like 100 but.
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We do, but you know, I'd, I'd like to know what you're
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fighting about in your own house.
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Oh yes please. That would be really fun to,
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wouldn't it be, to have us fight about it because I promise we
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can and I'm going to get rid of this pen.
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I I have a thing with Clicky. Pens give her anything that.
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Clicks people. I apologize if you heard my 2
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second. It's just the end of the world,
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the clicking. Yeah, it's not fair to others.
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Now, I will give a little disclaimer.
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At the beginning of this episode, we needed to take our
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furry canine family members into the recording area.
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So if you hear any growling or snapping or see one of them buzz
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across the screen, hopefully that doesn't happen because that
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would be painful for both of us. That's that's what's going on in
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the background. If you don't hear it, great.
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Yeah, yeah. Hopefully they'll just chill out
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while we record. But.
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I doubt it. They're very used to having
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whatever space they want to play and and whatever sounds they
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want to do with that. So OK, it would.
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Be kind of fun though with the gremlin Y sounds of the puppy.
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Yeah, she makes some wild noises.
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Yeah, she's pretty aggressive too.
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Like she'll be biting him and barking at him.
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Like how dare you? I don't know, it's interesting.
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But they love each other. So the dog update is they're
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doing well. Yes, they are.
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And they're loving each other and they love the play time,
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which, you know, that's why we got a second one was for our
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first one to have a good friend. Yep.
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And that has happened. Yes, it has.
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OK, we are on our 36th episode. Nice.
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Yeah, Yeah, that's a good number.
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I like 36. It's halfway to 72.
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Sure, sure. 36 months in a year. What I mean?
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36 months. In three years.
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Sorry, my brain said. What 36 months A.
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Mouth three years, my mouth, I just I disclaimed my mouth 30.
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Six months in a. Year my brain said other words
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yeah than my mouth. They disagreed.
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Well, and I thought you were meaning weeks, and I was.
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Going to say no, that's 52. It is 52.
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Yeah, I meant 36 weeks in three years.
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OK. 70. Two months?
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Oh, you didn't is your you meant 36 months.
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To traditional car loan 72 months.
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Half traditional. Now, yeah. 72 months.
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That's the norm now and the normal payment is.
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I don't even want to talk about it, it's way too high.
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It's disgusting, it's disgusting.
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I don't want to think about it, but that's the way it goes.
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Things cost more as you go, you know?
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It doesn't cost more. What?
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Our podcast? Hey.
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For the listeners. It's free for you.
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It is free for you and it's pretty close to free for us.
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That's right. What we've been trying to and
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hopefully so. Far.
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Mission accomplished. Yeah, hopefully continue down
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that. That's right.
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But you know where else it's free?
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Where's it free? It's free in Spain.
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Aw, we picked up a new country, people.
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We did, and I would have never, never have guessed that we would
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have picked up Spain so soon. We're expanding into the EU.
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We got UK. Yeah, we got Germany.
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We got well, Russia's not new. I get Germany though.
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We actually. Did we get a Ukraine?
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Yes, we did. Yes, we did.
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Did we get like a like a Denmark?
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No, I don't think so. No, no.
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But we did get the we did get Ukraine.
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Holland. Did we get Holland?
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No, AKA the Netherlands. No, no.
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OK, Australia is not part of the EU either.
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So they still have time. They have time.
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They have time to. We're expanding though.
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Yeah, I'm willing and. Maybe Spain can bring its
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neighbors. I think they would.
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Well, I think they will. That's good.
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Go knock on some doors, Spain. Tell them.
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Say hey, Portugal, we almost speak the same language.
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Let's get this going. I think our most recent country
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did let their their original. No, not quite that.
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I think let one of their country brethren know, right could be
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They probably heard your wonderful hello and said I want
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to hear it with a Spanish. Not that don't mix the two up
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because it's so different. I got to hear it.
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Here we go. Are you ready?
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It's very different than when I said the last one.
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Hola. Oh, OK, can you now say it the
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other way too? Hola.
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OK. Did you hear the difference
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there? Very different one.
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More time. Let's hear now.
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Now let's mix it up for them. The Chile version.
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The Chilean version. OK, here we go.
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Yes, Hola. OK, and now the Spanish version.
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Hola. OK, there you go.
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Very different. Yes, yes.
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Oh, you're all well versed. Yes, you take yourself a little
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trip. Right, right.
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Say it the right way. You've got one word and at two
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countries that you're ready to go unless you're.
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I'm ready to go to either one myself.
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I yeah, I haven't been to either.
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I think I'd pick Spain though. Yeah.
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Older. I'm into the old stuff.
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I mean, I bet it's also just as old.
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Well, no, given that the Spanish are the ones that came over to
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the New world in Spain is like, OK, well my point is that I'm
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wrong. My point is that the world all
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was created at one time. Oh, I see.
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Yeah, I feel like. Is that how it works?
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Just as old and I feel like the dirt in Chile and the dirt in
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Spain. So would you say that the
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English speaking people in America are the same as I don't
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know the English? No, because this.
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Is different. There, there's a difference.
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You were talking about places, not people.
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Let's get the difference going. OK, a place is somewhere you can
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go to. Yeah.
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Person is somebody you. Thank.
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You. You can't.
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I mean, I guess you I. Feel like our listeners are
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super excited that they're learning all these new.
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Things they're learning so much. Today, so much is happening.
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So, so, so much. And that's what we're here for.
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We're here to teach what we know.
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And I, I think they've learned that there's 36 months in a year
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and the very differing answers of how to say hello in different
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Spanish speaking. That's right, I could do it more
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times if we get some more Spanish speaking countries.
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I I want to hear it. Yeah.
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And we'll. We need to get there, though.
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We got to we'll. Track them all.
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If and, then we can do. We can do multi presentations,
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we can stack them up. Yeah.
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Well, and I would be, I would be ready for that.
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You know, I'm kind of seeing in here, I thought for sure we
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would have had our neighbors to the South.
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Don't have Mexico yet? No, we don't.
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And we know people in Mexico. So I think that maybe a link
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will be sent specifically. Yeah, we should probably send
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out some stuff. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean we we have some friends who are spend a good portion.
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And you know what? They'd probably like to hear our
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voices. I know they would.
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I know, let's give them, let's give them a little.
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Yeah, give them a call. Give them a call and then they
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can share it with their friends down there.
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Yes, you know, 'cause there's a lot of.
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We have more than one friend. We do.
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I'd say we have at least three. Yeah.
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And which is a lot. That's a lot.
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You know what? That's a lot.
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That's more than some people, and I'm OK with that, I think.
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Oh, So what I did want to talk about, though, is what we
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haven't gotten yet. Because whenever we do that, we
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get some right. And today, very importantly,
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we're in March and in, in my, in our household, we celebrate the
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holidays, not all of the holidays, but a lot of holidays.
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And one of the holidays that we celebrate in March every year is
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Saint Patrick's Day. And given that, I was really
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hoping that I had forgotten that someone from Ireland had
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listened and it hasn't happened yet.
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So I'm putting it out. I'm putting it out there because
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I think we. Also have a friendish that goes
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there often. I know.
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Who's from there? Who's from Ireland?
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That's right, yeah. I think she needs to bring it
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with on her next trip. So I think that that that's a
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doable thing. But, but that's one of the
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things we're doing right now is we're, we're getting ready for
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Saint Patrick's Day, which is kind of big in, in Saint Paul,
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but also kind of big everywhere. I was listening today to a
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couple of podcasts, as I do, you know, and it was maybe in
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preparation for this, but also I like to learn so that I can
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teach others. Oh good, I love the educator in
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you. I.
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I do. Such a big part of me and but
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anyhow, so I was learning that not only, you know, do we
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celebrate it here in the US and they celebrate it in Ireland,
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but it's celebrated all over the world.
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Yeah, I bet it is. And that parades all over the
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world. Do you want to know where?
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I think it might be celebrated pretty strongly.
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Where? Argentina.
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Really. Why?
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I'm making that up, but let me tell you why.
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Remember when we said we would teach you things?
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Also, we will lie to you. It might not be the truth.
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In honor of Saint Patrick's Day, we will have some blarney here
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on our show. Good old Blarney Stone.
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Yes, yes, OK. How?
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Come, we don't have a Blarney Stone.
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We did. What happened to it?
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I don't know, but we definitely had a Blarney stone.
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I'm upset. Maybe we left it at our last
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house. No way, that's super bad.
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There's no way. We definitely had a blarney
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stone. Well, we ought to get another
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one because I don't know where it is anyway.
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So Argentina either has or had a large Irish community that
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intermingled with the locals. Not surprised there are.
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And yeah, that's why a lot of people in Argentina have red
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hair or red beards. I didn't know that either of
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those things. Now you know both, at least to
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see I taught you a couple things.
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You did. You did, but there are more
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people of Irish descent outside of Ireland than there are inside
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of Ireland. Cause the Irish are strong.
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Well, because of the, you know, having to leave with potato.
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I thought you were going to say having so many children.
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No, but there's, you know, it's, it's, it's a little island,
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right? That's true.
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So many people, and lots of people left their homeland and
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went about and out into the. World.
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Well, OK, gosh, I mean, I think that was, see, I didn't do that
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research as far as the year when it all started, but I want to
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say if I remember the movie Far and Away with Nicole Kidman and
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Tom Cruise. Which is most of our facts are
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based on movie history, which is almost like facts.
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I feel like that was sometime in the late 1800s, mid 1800s.
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I would say early to mid. Yeah, OK, in far and Away, but
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people were coming over like the 18 teens to 18.
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Sure. 50s and. Even earlier, though.
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Well, yes you did. And if I remember another movie.
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There we go. What?
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And what's another one? Another movie, kind of
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controversial, but it was Gone with the Wind and.
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Oh, I thought you're going to say Gangs of New York?
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I was like, what's controversial?
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Nothing. Nothing.
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There's probably controversy in that too, but.
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Scarlett O'hara's family, OK, you know her.
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Her pappy was from Ireland. Scarlett O'Hara is.
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That's a very Irish setup. There it is.
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It is, yeah. Yes, I don't remember his name
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but anyhow. Also so that would be pre civil
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war. That rhymes with your great
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grandparents last name. Well, yes, yes, there's a lot of
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OS. O Mara.
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Yeah, and there's actually a whole bunch of history there
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that I don't have too much on about the clans and all of that.
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But you know, like a lot of them are kind of interrelated.
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I don't know, don't ask. Me.
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Well, you did say it was a small island, so.
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Well, that kind of makes sense. It would.
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Stand to reason that they were interrelated.
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I guess size is relative, but you want to know what else?
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Another movie fact. That.
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Has to do with Ireland. OK is this movie comes up every
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once in a while in our podcast. OK, that the Cliffs of Insanity
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from The Princess Bride are actually cliffs in Ireland.
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You mean? OK, wait, do you mean that's
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where they were filmed was in Ireland, yes.
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Or do you mean in Ireland? There is a place that is called
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the Cliffs of Insanity. No, they call it something
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different. And I did actually hear about
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that today and I heard the term and I was like, I've definitely
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heard of those cliffs, but they're better known as the
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Cliffs of Insanity, which take a giant to to ascend or a masked
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man in black. Only two ways you get up those
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cliffs of insanity, so. The Dread Pirate.
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I mean, yes, that's the only two way.
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But anyhow, my sister and her family had gone to Ireland and
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saw that. I think we talked about seeing
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it. So it's one of those things that
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I would have, I would have done as well if I was there.
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I'd say, Oh my gosh. Got to see it.
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Got to see it. Got to see it if I'm there.
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I mean, if I were to be near, well, I don't know of other
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spots in that movie, but you know, I if I was near the fire
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swamp, I'd have to go and. Go into the fire swamp.
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Yeah, have to see about ROUSS and one day I think do.
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You know how many people don't know what you're talking about,
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right? Now I'm so sad for all of.
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You I know they're missing out. If you haven't seen The Princess
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Bride. There's probably a lot of people
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can remember it was really a a bomb.
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No, I mean no. It really was.
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It got its fame after it came out on VHS and developed its
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cult following, and it still has that and there are millions of
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fans across the globe. I mean.
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But it wasn't like a big deal when it came.
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It is now a big deal. It sure is.
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And one day this is not that day.
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So I don't want to go too far down this road, But one day we
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will have a podcast somehow revolving around The Princess
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Bride episode. Not podcast.
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OK. I was going to say, that's a lot
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of a commitment to. But maybe if we did, Kerry would
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like. Do you wanna talk about an Irish
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movie for a second? I do.
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That I really wanna see. So I don't know anything about.
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I think it won an. Award more fact.
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It's called the Banshees of Inner Sharon.
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I've heard of this movie, but I don't.
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Think it won like a best something actor but I don't
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know. It has the I can't remember his
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name now. It did that thing to Irish guy
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that's in all the Irish movies and he was in the game.
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Nope, that one too though and the the guy with the red beard
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and he fights everyone and he saw he was in he was well.
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A red fighting guy? Are you thinking of that mascot?
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I don't think he's actually in a no.
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I think he just represents whatever sports team he
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represents. The Fighting Irish there.
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Wow. Of Notre Dame.
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Well, anyways, I really want to see the movie because it was
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supposed to have been really good.
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Is it about banshees or is it like they're?
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I haven't seen the movie. I wish I could tell you more.
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Maybe we could watch it together.
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Maybe you'll stay awake. I always find that disappointing
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when movies will have a title and it won't be what's in the
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title. I really do.
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Because it could be there could there could be banshees.
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Do you know what a banshee is a type of?
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I do, I do do. You a fairy?
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Oh, I guess I, I mean, OK, OK, I'll trust you because I feel
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like you might have done a little bit of research.
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On it, just a little. Bit Tang a wee bit.
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Just a Oh boy. Yeah, yeah.
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You're welcome, audience. You're welcome.
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I hope we get as much of this out of your system as we can.
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I cannot. I cannot.
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I just, I I love a good pun, and I know that there's at least one
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other person who appreciates them.
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I appreciate them almost every time.
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And I am certain they're related to me.
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That's also true. Yeah, yeah.
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Now, people that are related to you in Irish traditions, can we
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just talk about a couple of things?
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Sure, in the family. More than happy.
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To OK, why don't you just just open up like a book, Tell, tell
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the people, oh, gosh, we could start.
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Can we start with what I'm excited about this weekend
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coming up? The green meal.
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Yeah. Which is a tradition that I had
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no idea was a thing. It might not be a thing in
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anyone's family except your family.
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It is a thing in my family. And I was introduced to this
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when we started dating a long, long while ago.
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Yeah. And you were having whatever
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this was the green meal. And I was invited over.
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And I thought, well, it's food, so I'm gonna go.
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Yeah. And I went.
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Did I warn you at all? Not enough.
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OK. Not enough, you said.
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You know, it's like, it's like a regular dinner, but you know,
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the some of the food's green. Well.
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And so then I went and all the food was green.
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All of the food is green. And the milk was green.
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Yep, the milk. That was a bit terrifying.
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And the other drink is green, like fruit punch or something.
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Probably something like that sometimes.
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And there's like, everything is green.
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The, the bread. The bread's green.
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Yeah, the potatoes are green. Yes.
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The chicken is green. Yes.
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There's green stuff naturally. I feel like there's either peas
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or beans or something that are already green.
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Yep, Yep, Yep. There's not a thing that isn't
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green. The butter.
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The butter isn't green, but when you put the butter into green
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bread, it just turns into the green bread.
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It just makes it look shiny. And I was so taken aback by the
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level of green attitude in your family's Irish tradition that I
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was both terrified and enthralled at the same time.
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So here's the thing about Saint Patrick's Day.
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Everybody's Irish on Saint Patrick's Day if they want to
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be. And this tradition was not
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started by an Irish person, started by my mother, who is not
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Irish at all, but she did start dying food green.
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And I don't know the entire reason for it.
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My guess is it was just something fun, but we don't eat
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the traditional. Soda bread.
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I mean, we've had soda bread, but we don't eat the
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traditional. Soda bread.
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We don't eat the traditional like.
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Thanks, Aunt Jeanine. Corned beef meal It's it's and
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as a kid I was very grateful for that because I would have been
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disgusting to me as a kid and kind of still to me today.
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So while I know this might sound thoroughly horrifying for folks,
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yes, this is a thing we do in my family every year for Saint
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Patrick's Day. Not always on Saint Patrick's
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Day, because we have to do it on the.
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It's not a national holiday yet. Well, it's not a holiday where
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you get time off. I think it is a national
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holiday. It's just not a.
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Government recognized like. Time off holiday, but that's I
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don't know. Yeah, I don't know if it ever
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will be, but. It could be.
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It could be anything's possible. People do like it and and I know
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there are people most, this will be the first year in a decade
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where I will be working it and not going to the parade.
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Do you feel bad? A little, you know, I didn't at
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first, 'cause the reason I wasn't going to go to the parade
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was because, like, well, you'd had surgery and y'all who aren't
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in Minnesota March. In Minnesota, it's cold. 90% of
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the time it's cold. We're legitimately supposed to
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get a foot of snow. Yeah, two days before Saint
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Patrick's Day. Yeah, so it's cold and then it's
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a parade, right? What do you do at a parade?
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You sit on the curb of the streets.
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Yeah, so. People bring blankets and.
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Cold and windy, those are two things.
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Almost always. There's been a couple where it
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wasn't that cold if you sat in the sun.
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But anyhow, so I was, I was feeling fine about it.
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And then people, we have this work meeting and there were
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people like, oh man, on Saint Patrick's Day I'm like, why did
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I not take Saint Patrick's Day off this year?
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Cause 'cause the part of me that, you know, kind of doesn't
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necessarily think about it in February or January is not the
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same part of me on March 17th. That person is a person who's
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like, yeah. Are you saying we need to put in
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a time off request? I can't.
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It doesn't matter. Too late, ship sailed.
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Yeah, it for me, it really truly has, but like that's it's one of
23:02
those things I I enjoy wearing. I mean, I can wear I have to
23:06
wear green. There's not a choice in wearing
23:08
green the. Wear another green.
23:09
Patrick's Day as a kid growing up, you were asking about
23:13
traditions. We could not leave the house
23:17
without wearing something that had green on it.
23:20
That's right. And sometimes it would be some
23:23
lame button that my dad had because he'd be like, I don't
23:27
have green, you have to wear green.
23:29
Like, here's 800 different green things I have.
23:32
And of course, who wants to wear their dad's clothes?
23:34
I certainly didn't. And so I'd have like a button
23:38
and it would be really something kind of cringy to wear as like a
23:41
kid. Like kiss me.
23:42
I'm Irish and I don't want anyone to kiss me.
23:44
I, you know, but also if you don't, anybody apparently can
23:50
just pinch you for no reason. And I don't want to consent to
23:53
being pinched if I'm not wearing green.
23:55
I'd rather get kissed probably than pinched.
23:58
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, luckily.
24:00
Not on the mouth though. No one, no one took me up on
24:03
that button when I was in school.
24:05
So I, I, I'm OK with that, but I don't know, I might have, you
24:11
know, being honest to my, my sainted father.
24:14
I'm sure there's been some sort of a miracle that's happened
24:18
that can be not attributed to his death.
24:20
But I'm sure since he has passed, I have to say this now,
24:25
and I'm sure he's listening. I probably put that button in my
24:31
backpack now. I probably.
24:34
Didn't keep it on. So out of the guilt, the good
24:38
guilt that a lot of us suffer, I cannot go a Saint Patrick's Day
24:42
without wearing green. Even if no one sees me, I must
24:45
wear green. I also wear green every Saint
24:47
Patrick's Day. Really important.
24:49
It's important all over the world people wear green.
24:51
There's a song about it. Well, and that was part of it.
24:55
When people expanded out into the world because they had to
24:58
leave Ireland, they wore the green because it reminded them
25:01
of their homeland, kept, you know, some of that sentiment
25:05
together and also help them identify themselves to each
25:07
other, you know, which is interesting.
25:11
The interesting part of it is we associate green with Saint
25:16
Patrick's Day here in many places.
25:21
But that is not the traditional color for Saint Patrick, OK?
25:28
His color that had been originally associated with him,
25:31
OK, was blue. Yeah, Yeah.
25:35
I'm taken aback. I was too, but the green is
25:39
because it's so lush in Ireland and you know all of those
25:42
things. It's to represent that.
25:44
So I learned a few things today about the Saint Patrick.
25:49
Are you interested in learning anything about I am?
25:51
Saint Patrick there's I bet there's a whole debate as to
25:54
whether or not he should be a St.
25:56
No, I don't think that's debated.
25:57
No, that's not how Saints work. No.
26:02
Well, I don't know. However, I'm sure you know not
26:09
Irish. Right, he was Roman.
26:14
He was kidnapped and brought to Ireland.
26:17
By the Romans. No, by pirates, pirates, Irish
26:21
pirates, according to the folklore I heard and learned
26:26
today. And he was a slave in Ireland.
26:29
So he did his time in Ireland as a slave and then at some point
26:32
he escaped. But he had had a dream that he
26:36
had to go back to Ireland and save all of those lawless
26:39
people, right? Which you can kind of
26:40
understand, like if you were a someone slave, you know, you
26:45
might think that they're lawless or need some changing, you know,
26:48
or the people who were you were around in the area.
26:50
So that was what he did. He came back to Ireland to save
26:54
them and spread the word of Christianity and he would take
26:58
the Shamrock and explain the Shamrock and.
27:03
And that's how he. Supposedly this is not
27:06
necessarily true, but the. Rock was a sham.
27:10
Yes, yes. But you know, I mean this, this
27:13
is contested, but is that where the?
27:15
Blarney Stone comes from that was solid.
27:22
Oh, there. We go, but he never.
27:24
Given any credit? It.
27:27
Wasn't that good, but Shamrock Blarney Stone.
27:30
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty good, Pretty
27:32
good. It's not even that loose of an
27:34
association. OK, so but what he did was he
27:38
used, according to legend, he used the Shamrock to explain the
27:44
Holy Trinity and that's why that's a sign of wait.
27:48
Trinity. Why is 3 that's?
27:49
Why is the 4 leaf Clover lucky then?
27:52
You know, I did not go down the road of why is A4 leaf Clover
27:55
extra lucky to a Shamrock. I don't know where that comes
27:59
in, however Interesting. I've certainly looked for four
28:03
leaf clovers and found them. Yeah, they're not that common.
28:07
They're not that common, but they can be found.
28:09
They can, sure. They can be found easily So.
28:13
So anyhow, that's Saint Patrick. And now the celebrating and the
28:20
continued celebration was obviously very religious.
28:26
And on Saint Patrick's Day, it would be like the middle of
28:30
Lent. And so how people celebrated it,
28:36
it was like that's the one day that you can, you don't have the
28:39
Lenten restrictions and you do whatever you want and then go
28:43
and go to church, do all of that.
28:44
So it was a very religious holiday here.
28:49
Just in Ireland they got a break from Lent.
28:51
Well, if you were celebrating Catholic, you got a break from
28:56
Lent if you were celebrating Saint Patrick's Day.
29:00
But it was definitely honored in Ireland.
29:03
Many but, but you could not drink.
29:08
No drinking. No, you could not drink.
29:11
That's changed a little bit. In 1970. 70.
29:16
Huh. That is when they legalized the
29:18
ability to drink in Saint on Saint Patrick's Day in Ireland,
29:23
1970. Yeah.
29:25
That's not that long. Ago.
29:26
No, it isn't. It isn't.
29:27
Well, it's kind of the big difference between how we
29:30
celebrate here in Minnesota versus how it has been
29:35
traditionally celebrated in in Ireland.
29:40
So religious versus party time, I don't know.
29:46
Yeah, 22 very different ways, but.
29:49
Well, there's, it's both. I mean, you know, like if you
29:51
look at our celebration here in Saint Paul, it's not just about
29:57
drinking. I mean, certainly all the bars
29:59
have, you know, green beer and come the Irish with us for a day
30:02
and all that stuff. But there's the traditional
30:05
Irish dancers and folklore and folk art that's available.
30:10
There's all kinds of history stuff about Saint Paul and the
30:14
Irish. There's the parade with all the
30:16
clans. There's a bunch of stuff.
30:19
Right. Well, and that's like in
30:20
Ireland, the what they are now embracing is the art and
30:23
culture. And it was in around 1970 that
30:28
they opened it up. And then in like the early
30:31
2000s, they started to really work on the attraction of where
30:38
you bring people in. What is that travel?
30:41
Oh, tourist. Yeah, yeah, tourism OK around
30:45
Saint Patrick's Day and now they're very much into
30:47
highlighting the great things about Irish culture that get
30:51
kind of lost in some of the debauchery that happened some
30:55
places. Yeah, here.
30:58
So they. Debauch, don't they?
30:59
They do debauch. And I mean, I, I personally
31:04
struggle like with the concept of all of the stereotyping that
31:07
happens around Saint Patrick's Day and.
31:12
As a redhead. As a redhead who celebrates
31:15
Saint Patrick's Day, yes, yes, I'm.
31:17
I'm not out there drinking and just getting drunk and wearing
31:21
the green. I'm like.
31:23
I mean, let's be real, the Irish as a people have had it real
31:28
hard. Yeah.
31:31
Sure. It's I think it's fair to have a
31:34
day where you would think about that real, very real struggle
31:37
and not want to get, you know, carried away into the sort of
31:41
the, the silliness of the revelry.
31:44
Well, and around the world where to celebrate it is definitely
31:48
seen more like this is a celebration and something
31:52
springtime. Interestingly enough, but I
31:56
learned, I learned a lot. I learned that, you know, like I
31:59
said, there are parades all over the world.
32:00
I didn't realize that there was a parade in Tokyo, but there's a
32:03
parade in Tokyo, which just kind of.
32:05
Respect. I mean this shows you or shows
32:09
me. Thank you, Tokyo for whenever
32:10
you listen to this episode. Yeah, yeah.
32:13
Respect. But I mean, it just shows me how
32:15
like really narrow lens I view things with, right?
32:22
Like, well, if clearly it happens in the US, but why
32:24
wouldn't it happen in Argentina like you said, or Australia,
32:30
which it definitely does? Or Tokyo?
32:33
Why do I think it's just us, Ireland and maybe a few other
32:36
places but not that big We. Do have a strong Irish presence
32:40
here. We do.
32:41
We do have a strong Irish presence, so, but we're
32:44
certainly not the only ones. So yeah, I, it was kind of fun
32:47
going down that road and learning a little bit more about
32:52
the history of Saint Patrick's Day.
32:53
I obviously knew. And if you don't know, know
32:56
there were no snakes in Ireland. But it's fun to pretend that you
33:02
know that Patrick got old. Saint Patrick drove him out of
33:06
Ireland because he can't find any today, right?
33:08
So job well. Done well, you did a great job.
33:10
Job well done, yeah. It's also the connection with
33:13
the whole. Yeah, yeah.
33:16
But. You know what he didn't do?
33:17
What didn't he do? He didn't drive the Irish out of
33:20
Ireland. No, because that whole thing
33:22
about him driving the, I don't know, pagans or whatever they
33:27
call them, I don't know what the right terminology is.
33:30
It didn't work. No, no.
33:33
They're still there, celebrating their ancient cultures.
33:36
There are people there still celebrating their ancient.
33:38
That's right. That's right.
33:40
Certainly, I think you kind of have that everywhere you.
33:42
Having their ancient languages. I mean, there's still people
33:45
there speaking Gaelic. Yeah, which is older than, you
33:49
know, Latin. Well, maybe not older than
33:51
Latin, I don't know that for sure, but it's older than when
33:55
Latin was brought to Ireland. We watched a really interesting
33:59
show that was set and it was a true show set in Ireland and I'm
34:04
not going to remember the name of it, but it was during.
34:06
Bodkin. Wait, is that what it's really
34:10
called or is that the funny that's not funny show with the
34:14
guy? Oh, maybe that was a different.
34:16
I don't know. What were you going to say?
34:17
I'm. Talking about the 1:00 during
34:19
the IRA. Oh, that was really good it.
34:21
Was really good. Really good series on Netflix.
34:25
Man, that was good. I think in honor.
34:28
Of I wanna say speak no evil, but that's not right.
34:30
No, but it is something like. Don't speak.
34:33
Maybe. Don't say a word.
34:35
Don't something like that. Good luck.
34:37
With the yeah. Good luck, just Google and I
34:41
don't say the. Word.
34:42
Just search. Use the word.
34:44
Search I know I I encourage anyone to find a good show, but
34:49
that one was good and had a lot of historical references that I.
34:54
That was dark, man, and it was real, and it was.
34:59
Yeah, well, I mean it shows like.
35:01
People made me made me have a lot of feels about my Irish
35:03
heritage. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but here's
35:07
the thing people don't like. Well, there wasn't a mess
35:13
immigration at that period. But you know, people leave hard
35:17
and live hard lives. Both those things happen.
35:19
You know, it is not always and we see it all over the world.
35:23
There's always places that struggle.
35:25
And I think sometimes we might internalize it more either while
35:28
it is the time or for a culture that we have more affinity to.
35:33
Right? Like for me, it's more real,
35:36
right? Like the like all of that
35:39
happening, the IRA is more real to me.
35:43
Sure than a conflict that would have happened in a country where
35:46
you didn't have lineage. Right, right, right.
35:49
Well, and my Irish father obviously also, I remember him
35:52
talking about it when I was a kid.
35:54
So like it just as as current events, right, You know, whereas
36:00
maybe we, I don't, I don't know. It's it makes sense though.
36:04
I think people always, maybe they don't.
36:07
I think I always have something in me genetically, blood or
36:13
whatever, that makes me want to see and seek out home.
36:18
It's the red hair. It might be, but it's not just
36:21
there. I mean, I have other lineage and
36:22
I've been to like Germany and I and I've been, you know, I've
36:25
seen that it was great. I enjoyed it.
36:28
I haven't been to the any of the places.
36:30
Well, you know, I don't know. Maybe we maybe we can go there.
36:34
I know we've been talking about it for a while, but.
36:37
Maybe, if we'll, maybe, maybe we will go to Ireland and we'll
36:40
find a portal to another dimension.
36:43
So someone who is a follower of ours, I know, yeah, we got
36:49
followers. Yeah, tell me.
36:51
On the Tiki T.O.K OK is from Scotland and he said if we ever
36:55
go there, and I know it's not Ireland but it's nearby and I
36:58
feel like. I've got I've got a strong
37:00
showing of Scotland in my MyHeritage so.
37:03
Yeah, yeah, he said if we go, he's got like purple hair in a
37:06
whole like deal in Scotland. I don't know like the.
37:09
Purple haired Scott. I it's something like that.
37:11
Sounds cool. Anyhow, he said he would show us
37:14
around, you know so. Is he Glaswegian?
37:17
I don't know. OK, I'm sorry.
37:21
I hope he doesn't actually listen.
37:22
He's just. Is he a Highlander?
37:25
Oh gosh, can we OK now? Is he done, Dorian?
37:28
Because I cannot any of. Your answer, Good, we're getting
37:31
back into it. Any of your.
37:33
Answer If you were to find a portal in Ireland to another
37:37
dimension in Ireland, You know what, Amber?
37:39
Let me ask you a question. Oh, OK.
37:44
In this corner we have lucky Luke.
37:49
Yes, we're unlucky. You're gonna do it with the
37:55
statistics and the. Cuz, well, he's got the ties
37:59
still. I just need a little love from
38:02
the people out there. You gotta work on the people
38:05
loop. That's the problem.
38:07
That's the problem. HI, Hope is not a strategy.
38:11
Hope is a terrible strategy I've heard.
38:13
This. Before you know what also is not
38:15
a strategy. OK, 0 research.
38:18
OK. So also just trying to get
38:22
votes, those are three strategies I think that we've
38:24
learned don't work. OK, great.
38:26
So 8 ties. 8 ties. 11 wins for you?
38:31
Yeah, and 15 losses. Just 4 away from squaring it up.
38:37
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a hill to climb, but why?
38:40
You gotta say it like that. I I just do.
38:44
And in this corner, claiming to weigh in at 135 lbs of Irish
38:49
pride, we have the fiery haired Amber who is smoking me for the
38:56
record. So here's the question, darling.
38:59
Yes. If you were to choose which
39:04
being of myth to be. Which being of myth?
39:08
From Ireland would it be the fairy or Gentry as their liked
39:16
to be called or? They.
39:20
Keep going, keep going. Or a leprechaun.
39:24
Which would I like to be? Yes, and I have to want to be 1.
39:29
You got to pick one. Got to pick one.
39:32
Yeah, well, so here's the thing. Every Saint Patrick's Day for
39:41
many years, we've set these little leprechaun traps.
39:46
Yep, never caught a leprechaun. Never caught one.
39:51
And every time I'm like, that's cool, I don't want to catch.
39:54
A leprechaun. I'll just take the.
39:58
For the best. Yeah, yeah.
40:00
So. I guess I'd have to go with
40:04
what, what are the good attributes and all of that.
40:07
Like, I have to think about the lifestyle, OK?
40:10
Lifestyle matters, as we've learned in our Cats versus Eagle
40:14
Eagles episode. Call back.
40:16
Wow. OK, lifestyle matters to me.
40:20
OK, what am I doing as this creature?
40:23
What? What am I?
40:24
How do I live? How do I feel as this creature?
40:28
And how am I seen by others, you know?
40:32
Am I respected? Am I having a good time?
40:38
Am I living kind of a ornery life with tedious work?
40:44
Leprechauns. I'll make my own argument.
40:47
I'm I'm saying leprechauns are like shoemakers to the fairies.
40:55
And now I don't want to look down on anyone's job.
40:58
And shoes are super, super important, but I don't think I'd
41:04
like doing that. I don't think I would want to be
41:09
the person who's working for the fairies while they're having
41:12
just their good old fairy life, doing all the heck they want to
41:16
do, celebrating, flying around, flitting all of that and just
41:20
being like this fun character instead of a leprechaun that
41:24
everybody wants to catch. I don't want people trying to
41:26
catch me and take my gold and make me give them wishes.
41:29
I don't want any of that. I want the freedom of being a
41:32
fairy. The I want the being able to,
41:39
you know, have the magic that I have and enjoy the life I have
41:42
and have humans just kind of, you know, was that really there?
41:45
Did that really happen? Questioning all of that.
41:48
I want to be the mystery, right. And fun.
41:53
That is a mythical creature through a portal wall, which I
42:00
can choose to cross or not. I like that idea, you know, And
42:05
I feel like they're living a good life.
42:07
Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't really
42:10
have any reason why I would not pick a fairy.
42:13
They live like forever. They're, you know, I mean, from
42:18
everything I've seen with fairies, you know, they're not
42:20
getting all that old. You know, you don't, you don't
42:22
have like those fairies who are like, oh, man, my knee hurts.
42:26
You know, I'm not seeing that. So I feel like they must be
42:29
pretty healthy. And, and you don't hear about
42:33
people who have problems with fairies, right?
42:35
You're not like, oh, there's, there's this big old fairy war,
42:38
all these fairies. Everybody's hating on fairies.
42:41
People like fairies. They love fairies all over the
42:46
world and in many kinds, all kinds.
42:48
I love fairies, whether that be little ones or big ones.
42:54
I love fairies. So I would choose to be a fairy.
43:00
That's my argument. All righty then.
43:03
Well, having done some research, which it seems maybe like you
43:08
didn't have a chance to do. I did a whole bunch on Ireland.
43:13
That's good. The good news too is we have a
43:16
lot of information about Ireland anyway.
43:20
Well, so the some of the stuff he said is attributed to the Fay
43:24
of Ireland, some isn't. I just there have to be of only
43:29
I, I'll. Just leave it at that.
43:30
You took it, took some creative liberties.
43:32
I did. I did think, I did say it from
43:35
Irish lore. I think I said that.
43:37
Well, I don't know. They don't.
43:38
They don't have wings and fluid about.
43:40
They're not bugs. You know what?
43:42
Yeah. Have you?
43:43
Seen and they are known to be, they're known to be a little
43:46
tricky because they glamour humans when they feel the desire
43:51
to do so. Sure.
43:53
Anyway, my choice on purpose would be to be of the
43:58
leprechauns, and there's a bunch of reasons for that all.
44:03
Right, let's hear it. They're known to be jovial.
44:07
They like to joke and laugh and play and have fun.
44:10
They like messing with humans. They are known to be Cobblers.
44:15
Sometimes, not all the times. They have two jobs.
44:19
Well, OK, but see the, the claiming the research that I, I
44:23
mean, we both have the Internet. So anyway, and I could even go
44:29
with that because I find there to be value in good, honest
44:35
work. And I mean that.
44:37
No, I really, really do. And I think that making shoes is
44:42
not a dishonorable or distasteful profession.
44:45
Yes, you did. You.
44:47
Said you would rather have some little leprechaun make your
44:50
shoes. I said I would prefer.
44:51
Get out of here. Mm hmm.
44:54
You just want to be some posh like, yeah, little up in your
44:57
Crystal Palace. Yeah, being mean to the little
45:00
cute leprechauns with their red beards and their, their their
45:04
their green clothes. And anyways, so another thing,
45:08
another thing is the leprechauns, they, they got the
45:13
money they do, they're, they're known to be the hoarders of
45:18
gold. And, and that's why the whole
45:23
pot of gold at the end of the rainbow thing, 'cause they got a
45:26
reputation, they like to stack up their chips.
45:29
So I mean, I'm thinking if I'm a little magic creature fella and
45:35
I got AI got a little job I can do when I feel like making some
45:38
shoes, especially if I get to make shoes for beautiful people.
45:42
I mean, that's not terrible at all.
45:44
And I get to joke around with my friends and have fun and play
45:47
tricks and pranks on on humans and other people that are my
45:50
friends and I'm rich. OK, this does not sound bad to
45:55
me. And when it comes to like pop
45:58
culture, leprechauns are all over pop culture still respected
46:03
to this day. People try to catch them in
46:05
their little traps and put out their little coins and
46:07
chocolates. You don't see people putting out
46:09
little shrines to fairies out there.
46:12
What? Well, not wait.
46:14
Whoa. Not on Saint Patrick's Day, OK?
46:17
Just the rest of the year, just. With not a lot of people and
46:24
they're cute. You said they were green.
46:27
They aren't always. I said they wear green clothes
46:29
sometimes. Sometimes it's red.
46:30
That's true. Those are good colors of.
46:34
Course. Mm Hmm.
46:36
Of course. And and there's been at least 4
46:40
movies about a leprechaun. Yes, yes.
46:44
Callback to. Old callbacks, yes.
46:46
Yeah. There's probably a lot more
46:47
movies. About that like a leprechaun in
46:49
space or something. Yes, I believe so.
46:53
Classic Saint Patrick's Day Halloween horror vibes are
46:58
coming. So, you know, I think that the
47:01
leprechauns are cool. And then the the last little bit
47:04
of lore about a leprechaun is that if you catch 1, they are to
47:09
grant you 3 wishes, which must mean they have some pretty
47:12
supreme magical abilities. And while that might not be fun,
47:18
I will say as a trickster magic creature it might be fun.
47:23
Like maybe somebody wouldn't ask the question quite right and you
47:26
could twist that up on them and just have a little fun with the
47:29
people that caught you. The I'm assuming mostly humans
47:32
are trying to do this so. Monkey paw.
47:34
It's not real wishes. It's not real wishes, it's a
47:36
trap wish. Yeah, or the original Genie.
47:40
Gin, Gin, gin. Yeah.
47:42
Are they the original though? Is the mythology older than is
47:47
the Emerald Isle? Are the gin No Genie Gin is not
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the same as a leprechaun. These are two different.
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Things that so I'm just saying the mythology of.
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I don't know. Leprechaun.
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Came first. Faye versus gin?
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I don't know. I bet they're similarly old.
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All human culture seems to have blossomed at a similar time.
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We have. Weirdly enough.
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Yes. And we will talk about wishes at
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a later date, will we? I think so.
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That could oh what are your 3 wishes?
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Nope. That could be fun though.
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You can't stop. We're not doing it.
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You know what? That's Futurecast.
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I know it's. TuneIn I don't know when it'll
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happen episode. #412. Yes, yes, keep listening.
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I think that's all my arguments about leprechaun.
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I like the idea. They're they're fun, they're
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cute, they're magical. They grant wishes.
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Who doesn't want wishes granted? I'm just saying.
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Anyway, I'm going with Leprechaun.
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OK, I'm just going to put one teeny tiny point of.
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Order. Plus if I got to make your
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shoes. Oh, come on.
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But but really, what you're saying is you'd like to be a
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fairy because leprechauns are fairies.
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No, it's different. Aha, fairy.
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Winds. That's a silly just stop.
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It no it's. Not disqualified.
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It's not disqualified, it's up to the listener to the side.
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It's like saying what kind of bird do you want to be in saying
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that the eagle's the same as a Canary.
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Don't would stop. No, that's like, oh, OK, yeah,
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explain. I want to be a.
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Explain it to the people you're claiming to not having.
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No, no, I don't want to be a bird.
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I want to be the. Eagle The difference between a
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leprechaun and a fair. They're literally leprechauns
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are fairies. Eagles are birds.
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Yep, same point. Oh my God, in heaven.
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Yep, Cardinals are the same as albatross.
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No. No, I I guess I just, I'm not
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smart enough. No, it's the same concept.
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Are you suggesting our listeners aren't smart?
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Enough. That's our felines.
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But not all felines are cats. All leprechauns are fairies, but
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not all fairies are leprechauns. You.
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See, I feel like we didn't need to go down that little dirty Rd.
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I think we did. We did.
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Wow. So there you go.
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How do you catch it? How do they vote?
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How do they catch it? Amber on a fishing pole?
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Cuz what are we doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They they can watch us with their eyeballs on Spotify cuz
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this is also a video cast. I know.
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With their ears, they can hear us on nearly an endless array of
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streaming platforms for podcasts, including Apple and I,
50:44
Heart and, of course, Spotify and Do you want to Say More?
50:51
And Pocket Casts. And no, no, we don't need to
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see. No, no, no, no.
50:54
Yeah. And I was going to say also, you
50:56
will catch us Fridays at midnight.
50:59
Yeah. On 94.1 FM, WFNU Frogtown Radio.
51:05
And what color are frogs? Green.
51:08
Sounds like. Oh, I could have wore that green
51:10
Frogtown shirt, but I didn't. I'd have wore my Irish Saint
51:13
Paul Saints hat. There you go.
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There you go, full circle for everybody.
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Full circle, full circle. Now what you need to do is vote
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yes on the Spotify poll. Tell your friends to vote.
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Yeah. For me because I need a little
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help. I mean, yeah.
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And leprechauns are more fun. I I'm, I'm gonna.
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Leprechauns get it done. I'm gonna put it out there that
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I would really like to have some people from Ireland vote because
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I would like to know what they think.
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Yeah, you know who we're talking to?
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Yeah. I might send her a text.
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You. Should I would love.
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To know, you should send her a text.
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Given that home feeling like. There's two of them, I just
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thought of the other one that moved recently.
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OK, well sending. Two people, some text messages.
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There you go. Anyhow, so that's what we want
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you to do. Vote and then share this.
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Tell your friends. All of your friends.
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And if you're listening to this past March 17th, that's OK,
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That's OK Happy Saint Patrick's Day or the day after Saint
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Patrick's. Day.
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Happy Saint Patrick. Or the month after, that's
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right. Or the following year.
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Because you know what? This will still be relevant.
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That's what's up. Bye people.