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MNF Recap, Reaction to Trades, Battle for the NFC 7 Seed & Week 9 Rookie Draft · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 1: Everybody welcome to move the sticks DJ and Bucky together today.
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Speaker 1: Rhett is Bucky's having some issues with the power at
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Speaker 1: his house, So no rhet today, which is a good
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Speaker 1: thing because he smoked us in the rookie draft this
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Speaker 1: last week.
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Speaker 2: Oh he did. Oh that's not good. Yeah, at least
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Speaker 2: we don't have to hear him glow, so that's okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that ended up being a blessing. Hopefully
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Speaker 1: everything's okay at the house and we'll get to the
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a rookie draft again. He's given his
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Speaker 1: board to our producer Drew, so we're gonna still have
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Speaker 1: our rookie draft for this next week. We'll give him
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Speaker 1: his flowers, but we don't need to spend too much
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Speaker 1: time on that. In just a little bit, as we
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Speaker 1: get things started. Right now, Buck, it's time for the
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Speaker 1: Monday Night recap and a game that was I would say,
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Speaker 1: you know, pretty ugly at least from the Raiders side
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Speaker 1: of things. But let's start positively. Let's start with the
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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions, coming off a tough loss against the Ravens.
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Speaker 1: They bounce back in a big way twenty six to fourteen.
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Speaker 1: As the final it looked like they kind of righted
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Speaker 1: the ship in Detroit.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the absolutely rights of the ship. Played well on
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Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. Really impressed with what they
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Speaker 3: were able to do offensively. Jamier Gibb stepped up replacing
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Speaker 3: David Montgomery. He's beginning to kind of come into his
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Speaker 3: own as one of those feature playmakers on offense.
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Speaker 2: And then Jerry Golf and I'm on Saint Brown.
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Speaker 3: We're beginning to see that connection with Jameson Williams and
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Speaker 3: Sam Laporter. Offensively, Man, they have everything that you could
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Speaker 3: wish for as an offensive coordinated, big, physical offensive line,
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Speaker 3: and whenever this game got tight, they were able to
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Speaker 3: take it over.
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Speaker 2: The one thing to me that.
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Speaker 3: Stands out about the lines is their resilience, their toughness,
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Speaker 3: their grittiness, man, that comes through in everything that they do.
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Speaker 3: This is a really, really good team, a well constructed team.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know they're physical. I mean you could see
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Speaker 1: some of the replays of just the push that their
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Speaker 1: offensive line was getting. It was pretty ridiculous. They were
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Speaker 1: just kind of mauling people at the point of attack
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Speaker 1: with their offensive line and then on the defensive front.
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Speaker 1: Now they've got they've got an underrated player there when
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Speaker 1: you go and watch the tape and going through it
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Speaker 1: this morning, Alien McNeil had a couple of sacks in
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Speaker 1: this game. But he is excellent with his hands. He's quick.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's coming out of n C State, I
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Speaker 1: believe I remember correctly, it was kind of more of
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Speaker 1: a pocket push. Yeah, but now buck he's getting he's
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Speaker 1: getting on some of those edges inside and uh, he's
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Speaker 1: you know, he's winning in one on one pass rush
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Speaker 1: and he's doing it with outstanding hands, which tells me
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Speaker 1: a couple of things. Number One, he's skilled. Number two,
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Speaker 1: he's well coached. They're a nice job of continuing to
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Speaker 1: develop him.
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Speaker 3: Even further on Elee McNeil, he played in my rival
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Speaker 3: high school. He played at Sandison High School. How about
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Speaker 3: I want you to imagine that big guy playing left
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Speaker 3: field on the baseball team, because that's what he did.
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Speaker 2: He played the outfield.
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Speaker 3: And so when you talk about his athleticism in his
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Speaker 3: hand usage and all that is notticica wincidence. This is
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Speaker 3: a talented player and Aiden Hudgson, Alien McNeil all their guys.
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Speaker 3: The one thing that is coming to nominated with their guys.
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Speaker 3: They have really gone all in on high motor guys.
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Speaker 3: They played hard, their physical, they run to the ball,
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Speaker 3: and Glynn has done a really good job of really
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Speaker 3: taking this defense and changing it.
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Speaker 2: They went from a.
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Speaker 3: Team that was all manned a man a year ago,
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Speaker 3: high pressure to then backing off and playing zone. Well
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Speaker 3: against the Raiders, he reintroduced some of that blitzed some
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Speaker 3: of that aggressiveness they came after.
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Speaker 2: They really knocked the Raiders around.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, on a side note, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you saw Dave Dorn with his comments about Steve Smith,
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Speaker 1: our buddy Steve Smith. When Steve just it was a
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Speaker 1: throwaway line. I thought it was pretty harmless when he
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Speaker 1: said NC State was a basketball school. That was not
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Speaker 1: well received. So I'm curious as somebody who went to Carolina,
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Speaker 1: who I'm sure your entire life have heard that Carolina
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Speaker 1: is a basketball school. As a football player at a
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Speaker 1: quote unquote basketball school, did that bother you guys at all?
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Speaker 3: I mean, it can't bother you if you go to
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Speaker 3: North Carolina and the basketball team is putting up banners.
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Speaker 2: But it is one of those things that is annoying.
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Speaker 3: You always want to be viewed in the same life,
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Speaker 3: so I understand doing, but doing is always kind of
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Speaker 3: edged when it comes to those things. Steve Smith kind
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Speaker 3: of gave him something that he was looking for. He
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Speaker 3: gave him a little bit of more material to take
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Speaker 3: to his team and kind of energized them as they
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Speaker 3: were getting ready for Clempson last weekend.
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Speaker 1: That was pretty entertaining. All right, we've done the positives here.
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Speaker 1: The Lions again, the rookie Sam Laporta, Jamiir Gibbs doing
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Speaker 1: great on offense, the offensive line dominated, the defensive front
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Speaker 1: took over the game. So lots of good from the
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Speaker 1: Lion side of things. The Raiders not so much. And
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Speaker 1: I want to start right here. Let's go. I believe
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Speaker 1: we have some sound from after the game from Davante Adams.
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Speaker 1: Let's hear that and we'll react to it.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't know what to say at this moment,
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Speaker 4: I truly don't. I wish I had the words, you know,
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Speaker 4: to say something that's not going to get blown up
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Speaker 4: in the media and taking out of context.
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna just.
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Speaker 1: What are you feeling right now? Can you elaborate on anything.
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Speaker 4: Going through your mind.
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Speaker 2: Frustration.
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Speaker 1: But that's that kind of go over with us, and
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Speaker 1: I thought it was actually a very mature and tame
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Speaker 1: response to our bridget content's questions there, Bucket. To me,
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Speaker 1: he showed restraint because anybody has a right to be frustrated.
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Speaker 1: It's this guy, especially coming off that game. He could
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Speaker 1: add like a two hundred yard receiving day just on
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Speaker 1: the two balls that were grossly missed on home run balls,
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Speaker 1: I mean huge, huge plays, and it's just it's not close.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the two deep shots where he is
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Speaker 1: free and in the clear and that ball is nowhere
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Speaker 1: to be found.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, if you're Devanta Adams, this is not what you
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Speaker 3: signed up for when you made the trade request to
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Speaker 3: come to the Raiders. You thought you would be a
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Speaker 3: featured player and some of that they would be able
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Speaker 3: to build game plans around. And for whatever reason, Josh
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Speaker 3: mcdames has not been able to get Davante Adams unlocked.
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Speaker 3: And to me, when you look at their team, it
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Speaker 3: has to be DeVante Adams and Josh Jacobs as the
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Speaker 3: focal points and I don't care whatever order, if he's
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Speaker 3: number one or Josh Jakos number one. Those guys have
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Speaker 3: to touch the ball, and for whatever reason, they're not
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Speaker 3: getting it done. Some of that maybe use the era
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Speaker 3: in terms of Jimmy Garoppolo able to push it outside.
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Speaker 3: But if I'm a guy who has been an All
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Speaker 3: Pro player, a guy who is really viewed as wide
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Speaker 3: receiver won in the National Football League, to go in
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Speaker 3: an entire half without getting the ball in those things,
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Speaker 3: the frustration says in and to continue to lose games
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Speaker 3: when you haven't been a big part of the offensive puzzle. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: the frustration I'm sure is kind of boiling over, and
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Speaker 3: at some point Josh McDaniels has to make a change.
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Speaker 3: They had a team meeting last week. I don't know
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Speaker 3: what's after the team meeting, because once you have the
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Speaker 3: team meeting and you air it out, there's nothing else
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Speaker 3: that can be done. This is situation critical in Las Vegas.
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Speaker 3: This is a team that is trending in the wrong direction.
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Speaker 1: One of the double moves will stutter go. That's a
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Speaker 1: sixty yard touchdown. Buck, He's ten yards in the clear.
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Speaker 1: They targeted him seven times and they tried to get him.
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Speaker 1: The football quarterback can't get it there So at what
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Speaker 1: point time do we just say this is this is
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Speaker 1: not it's not gonna work. You know, we were excited
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Speaker 1: about Jimmy Grofthlo reuniting with Josh McDaniels. He's not good
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Speaker 1: enough when the sacks taken in the completion numbers are indistinguishable. Buck,
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Speaker 1: that's a problem when you've got ten completions and you're
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Speaker 1: taking ten and six sacks and you're missing lay up
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Speaker 1: home run balls and you're throwing interceptions, turn the ball over, Like,
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Speaker 1: what are we doing. Let's let's get a chance, Let's
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Speaker 1: look at a and O'Connell, see what he can do,
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Speaker 1: and let's go forward with a young guy at least
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Speaker 1: have some hope for the future. It's it's been, uh,
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Speaker 1: it's been underneath the surface for DeVante Adams. I know
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Speaker 1: he slammed the helmet, but I thought he was reserved
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Speaker 1: in his comments after the game. I can't imagine he's
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Speaker 1: gonna stay reserved. This is a guy who signed up
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Speaker 1: to go play with his best friend, his college buddy,
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Speaker 1: Derek Carr, and had visions of you know, catching a
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Speaker 1: zillion balls and putting up big numbers and winning games
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Speaker 1: and why they're three and five, and they've been you know,
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Speaker 1: somewhat competitive, quarterback plays terrible. So I mean, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: To me, it feels like you've got to you've got
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Speaker 1: to go in another direction. I know you gave Jimmy
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Speaker 1: a little money, I know you committed to him, but
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Speaker 1: this is just he's not good enough. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how else to say it.
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Speaker 2: No, he hasn't been good. He hasn't been what everyone thought.
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Speaker 3: We thought he would jump in, pick up the system
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Speaker 3: and go and even though it's been a while since
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Speaker 3: he's played for Josh McDaniels in this system, we thought
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Speaker 3: that it would be a smoother transition, and it hasn't worked.
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Speaker 3: And this team, I don't want to say, I mean
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Speaker 3: they are wasting games because this team is good enough
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Speaker 3: to play much better. Their record could be and should
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Speaker 3: be flipped. They should be a five and three team,
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Speaker 3: maybe even a six and two team, but they have
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Speaker 3: not taken advantage of the opportunities that are there. And
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Speaker 3: at some point we can talk about the quarterback, but
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Speaker 3: the guys are gonna look at the head coach and
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Speaker 3: they're looking at him to solve the problems.
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Speaker 2: And if he doesn't have any answers.
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Speaker 3: Man, Mark Davis is gonna have to make a really
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Speaker 3: difficult decision whether to keep Josh McDaniels and continue to
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Speaker 3: go down this road or to maybe go somewhere else.
8:42
Speaker 3: But I don't know the head Gruden now they had
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Speaker 3: Josh mc daniels. I don't know what this looks like,
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Speaker 3: but it doesn't look like it needs to look for
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Speaker 3: the Raiders to be a playoff contender year after year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously was kind of an ugly end there goes
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Speaker 1: without saying to the end of the Gruden era, but
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Speaker 1: that was a team that was a playoff team. Was
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Speaker 1: kind of true ending in the right direction. They were offense,
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Speaker 1: you know, an offense that was fun to watch and
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Speaker 1: kind of you could envision this working for you know,
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Speaker 1: going in the future for a period of time. And
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Speaker 1: now it's like, man, this is hard to get first
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Speaker 1: downs right now for this team when you have an
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Speaker 1: offensive head coach. That's not a good look. It is
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Speaker 1: kind of what I'm getting at there, all right. For
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9:47
Speaker 1: And today we're going to use a little bit of
9:48
Speaker 1: a trade deadline theme here. Buck. We've got a couple
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Speaker 1: of trades as we're recording this that have already taken place,
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Speaker 1: and let's get to those. Let's start first of all,
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Speaker 1: Leonard Williams that came down yesterday. He has traded from
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Speaker 1: the Giants. He goes to the Seattle Seahawks. Just your
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Speaker 1: thoughts on the move for both teams and what that
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Speaker 1: means for their defense.
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Speaker 2: Well, one Pete.
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Speaker 3: Carroll looking back at his time at USC and taking
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Speaker 3: the USC legend and Leonard Williams, even though he didn't
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Speaker 3: necessarily coach him, he understands who he is and what
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Speaker 3: he was about and what he means to the university.
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Speaker 3: And so he takes a player who has had a
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Speaker 3: level of success in the National Football League, but he
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Speaker 3: needs a fresh start.
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Speaker 2: You put him in this defense.
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Speaker 3: A guy who can play inside and give you sack production,
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Speaker 3: high effort guy. He just kind of needs to be
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Speaker 3: put in the right situation where he can get home
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Speaker 3: and makes him disrupt the plays when now he's going
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Speaker 3: to have that, and so I like that. I like
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Speaker 3: what the Seattle se have done the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: You talk about him bringing over Frank Clark, what they're
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Speaker 3: trying to do to kind of revamp this defensive front.
10:47
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll wants to get back to playing the way
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Speaker 3: they played during the Legion of Booms Heyday. And the
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Speaker 3: only way you can do that you got to have
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Speaker 3: lots of bodies upfront, lots of bodies that can take
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Speaker 3: over the game much like they did in the early
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Speaker 3: twenty tens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, passing League, I think a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: You look at a defensive lineman transaction, you see the
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Speaker 1: compensation there with a two and a five. That's not cheap.
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Speaker 1: And Leonard Williams, to me though, it's what he's going
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Speaker 1: to be able to do to get you to those
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Speaker 1: pass rush downs. It's being stout at the point of attack.
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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll has always valued that. He's always understood, you know,
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Speaker 1: having some bigs upfront to be able to stop the
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Speaker 1: run and then be able to cut your edge loose
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Speaker 1: against the pass and play kind of that fearless role
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Speaker 1: off the ball style. So I think he fits stylistically.
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Speaker 1: This is a defensive front that lost another trojan in
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Speaker 1: Chennanuoso to injury, So you replace the trojan with the
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Speaker 1: trojan obviously different positions, but you just add him to
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Speaker 1: that defensive front. Frank Clark comes in there as well.
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Speaker 1: It also signals to me that this is a Seahawks
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Speaker 1: team that sees this division buck is one that everybody
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Speaker 1: assumed that forty nine ers would run away with. They
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Speaker 1: see this division as winnable and their positioned perfectly right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they are positioned perfectly, and this is a team
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Speaker 3: that has a lot of confidence and Pete Carroll kind
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Speaker 3: of understands what it is when it comes to this
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Speaker 3: rivalry that.
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Speaker 2: They have with the forty nine ers.
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Speaker 3: We talked about the arms race that is in the NFC,
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Speaker 3: and the arms race that we've talked about is the
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Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles looking out west and seeing what the Niners
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Speaker 3: are doing in them competing back and forth, well the
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Speaker 3: Pacific Northwest. The Seattle Seahawks are looking down at the
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Speaker 3: nine and saying, hey, don't sleep on us. We're gonna
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Speaker 3: add some some weapons to the arsenal that will give
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Speaker 3: us an opportunity to maybe quietly steal the division and
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Speaker 3: put us in a situation where we can go toe
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Speaker 3: to toe with the Philadelphia Eagles. I like the moves,
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Speaker 3: I like the aggress on us DJ. We've talked about it.
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Speaker 3: I think there should be more trades in the National
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Speaker 3: Football League. I love the John Snyder and company. Those
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Speaker 3: guys are willing to kind of think outside the box
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Speaker 3: and add pieces to the team building puzzle that gives
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Speaker 3: them a chance to really compete at the highest level.
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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna put you on the spot, no warning,
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Speaker 1: and I know you love it when I do this.
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Speaker 1: If you have got to win a game tomorrow, and
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Speaker 1: you've got your choice of Geno Smith or brock Purty,
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Speaker 1: who you taking tomorrow games tomorrow?
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Speaker 3: Look, I'm still going lean towards brock Pretty because of
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Speaker 3: the supporting cast and those things. I like Gino and
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Speaker 3: those things. I'm still in that all the way off
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Speaker 3: the brock Pretty bus. But it is getting close. He's
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Speaker 3: getting tight. He's coming back to me. So I'm Brock
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Speaker 3: pretty in the nine ers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would too. I would stick with Brock Purty.
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Speaker 1: I know this is that like Recncy bias. You could say,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it looked great lately. I would still
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Speaker 1: you know, I would still lean in that direction. I
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Speaker 1: think the forty nine ers still end up winning this division.
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Speaker 1: But man, the Seahawks are. They're right there at the top,
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Speaker 1: and they seize this opportunity to try and add to
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Speaker 1: their ball club and see if that can push them
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Speaker 1: all the way over the top. All right, another move
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Speaker 1: that just went down. Montes Sweat and talks a lot
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Speaker 1: about him being on the trade block, and he's been traded.
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Speaker 1: He's gone. He goes to Chicago Bears, a team that
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Speaker 1: I just saw Buck. I just talked about this yesterday
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Speaker 1: about how talent challenged, let's use that phrase. This Bears
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Speaker 1: team is, especially on the defensive line, they just not
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Speaker 1: There's nobody you worry about there. So the cost, though,
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Speaker 1: is what I want to get to. It is a
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Speaker 1: second round pick. Montes Sweats never had double digit sacks.
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Speaker 1: Came into the league in twenty nineteen. You know, you
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Speaker 1: look at the sack total numbers and I know there's
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Speaker 1: more to it than just sacks. But seven nine, five, eight,
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Speaker 1: six and a half eighty liked the trade for the
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Speaker 1: for the Bears and b was it too much that
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Speaker 1: they gave up?
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Speaker 2: No, it's not too much.
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Speaker 3: Because we talked about a team that doesn't have any talent.
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Speaker 3: You said, they saw it on Sunday night. They don't
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Speaker 3: have enough upfront to do what Matt Eberflusch wants to do,
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Speaker 3: and so to get a player. It was a first
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Speaker 3: round pick, a high motor player, a guy who by
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Speaker 3: all accounts has been really, really good in the locker room.
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Speaker 3: I slid teammate, Yeah, they need to do that. You
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Speaker 3: want to see the production. And I will say this
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Speaker 3: because we say it. With wide receivers and other things,
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Speaker 3: it's hard to project a number two to be at
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Speaker 3: number one at any position. So I would not expect
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Speaker 3: montes Witt to be the point on the sword when
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Speaker 3: it comes to their pass rush. But he gives them
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Speaker 3: someone who can get to the quarterback where the opportunity
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Speaker 3: presents itself. Maybe he will be unleashed and maybe he'll
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Speaker 3: play in a better role. This is when Matt eberflows
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Speaker 3: needed somebody. But they're gonna need some other people along
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Speaker 3: that defensive front to eventually play the.
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Speaker 2: Style that they want to play under him.
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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna do a little exercise with you here,
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Speaker 1: because if it ended today, the season end of today,
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Speaker 1: that pick would be the thirty fifth pick. So I
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Speaker 1: pulled up the edge rushers that were drafted over the
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Speaker 1: last few years. So I'm gonna give you guys that
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Speaker 1: were picked in that neighborhood. Okay, just to give you
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Speaker 1: a sense of who you know, maybe the opportunity you
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Speaker 1: gave up here, Here's who the guys are. Thirty first
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Speaker 1: pick this year was felix en A dk Uzama with
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. You go to. The fortieth pick was Isaiah
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Speaker 1: Foski at a Notre Dame. He goes to the Saints,
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Speaker 1: you go back the year before that. The thirtieth pick
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Speaker 1: was Carl Loftis, The forty sixth pick was Josh Pascal.
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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one, Rousseau was the thirtieth pick. Twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: you tiar, gross Matos was the thirty eighth pick. So
15:57
Speaker 1: you see what I'm getting. You're not seeing anybody on
15:59
Speaker 1: that list that you're like, WHOA like that man? We
16:01
Speaker 1: missed out on one here, some solid players in there,
16:04
Speaker 1: But I think that when you look at what's going
16:06
Speaker 1: to be available with that pick, I think Montes Sweater
16:09
Speaker 1: is an established player, even though you got a PAM
16:12
Speaker 1: going into the future here, probably tagg him if you
16:13
Speaker 1: don't get him done, but then get a long term
16:15
Speaker 1: deal done. I understand it. I would say I don't
16:18
Speaker 1: love it, Buck, but I understand it. I don't think
16:20
Speaker 1: it was a bad move.
16:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand it.
16:23
Speaker 3: And also like we haven't necessarily looked all the way
16:25
Speaker 3: ahead to the next used draft class to kind of
16:27
Speaker 3: be able to assess what MONTESWD looks like against some
16:30
Speaker 3: of the top second round prospects that could be available.
16:34
Speaker 2: But this makes a lot of sense.
16:36
Speaker 3: When you talked about those names, DJ, all those names
16:38
Speaker 3: that you read off, there was no one that kind
16:40
Speaker 3: of got me going, got me excited, like, yeah, let's
16:42
Speaker 3: go see this guy rush the password.
16:44
Speaker 2: So if the Bears took that approach.
16:46
Speaker 3: Where they kind of weighed what normally goes in the
16:48
Speaker 3: second round versus what they could have in Mantes Wet,
16:51
Speaker 3: it's very a sensible deal on their end, and a
16:55
Speaker 3: second round pick is nice and you want that got
16:57
Speaker 3: to be a start of a snow guarantees on the
17:00
Speaker 3: swap Dad to get a guy who's going to be
17:02
Speaker 3: a starter for them, and hopefully a good starter for them,
17:04
Speaker 3: given the conversation they gave up for.
17:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Pols taking his swings did not work out
17:09
Speaker 1: well last year when he made the trade for Chase Claypool.
17:12
Speaker 1: That experiment has already come to an en in Pittsburgh
17:14
Speaker 1: ends up getting a high second round pick. Worked out
17:15
Speaker 1: great for the Steelers. Hopefully this one works out a
17:18
Speaker 1: little bit better. I think Montes swept much more proven
17:20
Speaker 1: than Chase Claypool was at that time. All Right, one
17:23
Speaker 1: more move here we'll get to, and that is Chase Young.
17:26
Speaker 1: He gets traded from the Washington Commanders to the San
17:31
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine Ers, which shouldn't be a surprise if
17:34
Speaker 1: you've been listening to us. We've been talking about the
17:36
Speaker 1: forty nine ers making a move. They had cap space,
17:39
Speaker 1: You had the history of what they've done at the deadline,
17:42
Speaker 1: including last year with a big move for Christian McCaffrey,
17:45
Speaker 1: how that paid off. You have the arms race that
17:48
Speaker 1: we've discussed with them in the Philadelphia Eagles, and you're
17:51
Speaker 1: coming off some losses It was kind of a perfect storm.
17:54
Speaker 1: And on top of that, you've got extra draft picks,
17:57
Speaker 1: including some an extra third round pick because you have
18:01
Speaker 1: Ran Carthon who gets hired as the general manager of
18:04
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, so they're going to get a comp
18:06
Speaker 1: pick for that one. And Demiko Ryans got hired as well,
18:10
Speaker 1: so they have extra picks. It was a third round
18:13
Speaker 1: pick for Chase Young, which for somebody who's having his
18:16
Speaker 1: best year of his career. He's been injured a bunch
18:19
Speaker 1: and he's been a little bit underwhelming, but he's healthy
18:22
Speaker 1: this year, he's in a contract year, he's highly motivated,
18:24
Speaker 1: and now he is reunited with his college teammate, the
18:28
Speaker 1: Ohio State Buckeyes with Bosa so Nick Bosa, Chase Young, Armstead, Hardgrave.
18:35
Speaker 1: That is you know, that's quite the defensive front that
18:38
Speaker 1: they have there with John Lynch pulling the trigger on
18:41
Speaker 1: this move to bring in Chase Young. So I like
18:43
Speaker 1: that one. A big one in Washington is sellers, the
18:46
Speaker 1: big sellers. They sell off both edge rushers Montes Wet
18:50
Speaker 1: and Chase Young, and it looks like they are looking
18:53
Speaker 1: towards the future. They've already paid both defensive tackles, So
18:55
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to play some young end. It's gonna
18:58
Speaker 1: have to draft some young ends next year. But interesting,
19:01
Speaker 1: interesting move. All right, we're gonna take a little break
19:03
Speaker 1: when we come back. We're gonna look at the NFC
19:06
Speaker 1: and the teams that are vying for that final seed,
19:09
Speaker 1: that seventh seed, and see if we can't find a
19:12
Speaker 1: winner in that bunch. We'll do that right after this.
19:19
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a look at the playoff field
19:21
Speaker 1: here in the NFC and looking at the teams competing
19:25
Speaker 1: for that seventh spot. Look, eight games, that's a good
19:28
Speaker 1: chunk that we can look at here. If the season
19:30
Speaker 1: end of today, it would be the Minnesota Vikings obviously
19:33
Speaker 1: just lost Kirk Cousins there. Buck. But then this next
19:35
Speaker 1: group of teams, you've got the Saints, the Bucks, the Rams,
19:38
Speaker 1: the Commanders, and the Packers, and the Packers generously making
19:42
Speaker 1: this board as a two to five team. So when
19:46
Speaker 1: you look at these teams, the Commanders, as we've discussed,
19:49
Speaker 1: they've already they've already sold, the Giants have sold Leonard Williams.
19:53
Speaker 1: They've had quarterback health issues. So if we're saying the
19:57
Speaker 1: Commanders and the Giants maybe not trending in the right
19:59
Speaker 1: directtion to chase this down. I guess of the teams
20:02
Speaker 1: if we were to say Vikings, the Kirk Cousins list
20:05
Speaker 1: of Vikings, the Saints, the Bucks, the Rams, those to
20:08
Speaker 1: me feel like the teams in the mix. Is there
20:11
Speaker 1: one that you prefer and you feel confident about.
20:15
Speaker 2: I would go with the Saints in this scenario.
20:18
Speaker 3: And what you're looking for is a combination that a
20:20
Speaker 3: couple of things we always talk about DJ You're looking
20:23
Speaker 3: for a quarterback and you're looking for a defense that
20:25
Speaker 3: can rush the pass, and so the Saints would give
20:27
Speaker 3: me the best combination of both.
20:29
Speaker 2: Derek Carr is.
20:30
Speaker 3: A mid to mid high level quarterback. I would say,
20:36
Speaker 3: like a friend's top ten quarterback. I think that you
20:38
Speaker 3: can win with him. Offensively, Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara
20:41
Speaker 3: and those guys, I think you must have enough points
20:43
Speaker 3: to be competitive in most games. But defensively, that's where
20:47
Speaker 3: they really can make their Hey, you think about Cam
20:50
Speaker 3: Jordan Honey Badger to Mario Davis, Marshawn Lattimore. They have
20:54
Speaker 3: four veteran players that are blue chip players that can
20:56
Speaker 3: make it happen. So in this race, when you talk
20:59
Speaker 3: about those teams racing for the seventh seed, the Saints
21:03
Speaker 3: to me are better positioned than any of those because
21:05
Speaker 3: they have veteran defense that knows how to make plays
21:08
Speaker 3: when plays are needed, and then they.
21:10
Speaker 2: Have a quarterback. They should be able to get this
21:12
Speaker 2: offense over the line.
21:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually think it comes down to the Saints
21:17
Speaker 1: and the Bucks. So you hit on the Saints, all
21:20
Speaker 1: hit on the Bucks. Like the Bucks are in a
21:21
Speaker 1: little bit of a skid right now, but as you
21:23
Speaker 1: kind of look at the schedule and how it unfolds,
21:25
Speaker 1: I think they've got a chance to kind of get
21:26
Speaker 1: back on track here. And well, I don't necessarily love
21:29
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation there, It's okay, it's you know, there's
21:32
Speaker 1: a lot worse out there in the league right now,
21:34
Speaker 1: and they do have some veterans on the defensive side
21:36
Speaker 1: of the ball. We'll see what happens. As we're recording
21:39
Speaker 1: this at the trade deadline, they haven't sold off any
21:41
Speaker 1: of their pieces, so hopefully that doesn't screwed me over
21:44
Speaker 1: and end up selling. But at this point in time,
21:47
Speaker 1: I think they have enough offensive firepower they're going to
21:49
Speaker 1: stay in this thing. I like the Rams in terms
21:53
Speaker 1: of you know, some of the way they've played, the
21:55
Speaker 1: way they're coached. But Stafford's health worries me going off
21:59
Speaker 1: into the future here, and I just don't know if
22:01
Speaker 1: they have enough pieces on the defensive side of the ball.
22:04
Speaker 1: They're fun to watch on offense, I just don't know
22:06
Speaker 1: if they're good enough there. And you add into that
22:08
Speaker 1: buck the division that they're in, you know, a tough
22:12
Speaker 1: one there. So to me, those feel like the two
22:14
Speaker 1: And let's wait and see what the Vikings look like
22:16
Speaker 1: with a new quarterback. Obviously, don't want to rule them out.
22:18
Speaker 1: I thought with Kirk Cousins, they're clearly the class of
22:21
Speaker 1: this group of teams.
22:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're clearly the class man, and I won't discount
22:25
Speaker 3: or dismiss their chances.
22:26
Speaker 2: Of being able to do it.
22:27
Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in Brian Floores and what he's
22:29
Speaker 3: able to do with this defense. This defense man, they
22:31
Speaker 3: wear you out. They cover zero pressure scheme that he's
22:34
Speaker 3: been utilizing. They they've given good teams problems and so
22:38
Speaker 3: more pressure on them to probably generate more turnovers keep
22:41
Speaker 3: the score down as they're trying to figure out what
22:44
Speaker 3: to do offensively. I wouldn't dismiss the chances, but it'd
22:46
Speaker 3: be interesting to see what did they do at quarterback.
22:48
Speaker 3: Can they price somebody, anybody away from a team that
22:52
Speaker 3: is willing to give up a quarterback. I don't know,
22:55
Speaker 3: But if they have a quarterback, just a decent quarterback,
22:57
Speaker 3: I think you can lock.
22:58
Speaker 2: This team in as a seven seed in the NFC.
23:01
Speaker 1: When I get back to the Bucks here real quick,
23:03
Speaker 1: here's their group of games they've got coming up. They
23:06
Speaker 1: are at Houston, that's a winnable game. Tennessee at home,
23:10
Speaker 1: winnable game, now you look at it. At the Niners,
23:12
Speaker 1: that's a rough one. But then back after that at
23:15
Speaker 1: the Colts, Carolina, Atlanta, Green Bay. I mean, there's a
23:19
Speaker 1: lot of winnables on here. For Tampa. They've got to
23:21
Speaker 1: get right here. This next month, November is big for them.
23:24
Speaker 1: They've got to get back on track having lost three
23:26
Speaker 1: games in a row, a couple of them very close
23:28
Speaker 1: to Atlanta and Buffalo. But I like the Bucks to
23:31
Speaker 1: stay in this thing. I think it's going to come
23:32
Speaker 1: down to those two teams. I think it's the Saints
23:34
Speaker 1: and the Bucks in that fight for that seventh seed.
23:37
Speaker 1: So we'll see how it all shakes out. We'll keep
23:39
Speaker 1: an eye on this as we go through the rest
23:41
Speaker 1: of the year. All right, let's get to the rookies.
23:43
Speaker 1: Can we do the rookies? Don't I don't want to
23:45
Speaker 1: spend too much time talking about last week. It was
23:47
Speaker 1: not great for the both of us. Gibbs three points
23:50
Speaker 1: for Rhett, Addison, three points for HTT, Laporta three points
23:53
Speaker 1: for Rhett. He crushed us. He got the top guy
23:57
Speaker 1: at every single position. Buck, you end up getting two
24:00
Speaker 1: points with Bijon and JSN. I got a big fat one.
24:05
Speaker 1: Dalton Kin kid got me one point as the second
24:07
Speaker 1: performing tight end. If you look at where we are
24:10
Speaker 1: for the season, worst hide Buck thirty three apiece and
24:12
Speaker 1: Rhett has closed the gap. He's at twenty nine. So
24:16
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's bringing down our neck. But we've got it.
24:19
Speaker 1: We've got to bounce back this week. I like our chances.
24:21
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna, first of all, before I start
24:24
Speaker 1: us off with the first pick of those rookies. The
24:26
Speaker 1: performances you saw from Rhtt, those three pointers, any of
24:29
Speaker 1: them stand out to you.
24:30
Speaker 3: The Detroit Lions rookies being able to do it. You know,
24:33
Speaker 3: we talked about the rookies and the rookie impacs was.
24:37
Speaker 3: We always talk about that on the podcast. These guys
24:39
Speaker 3: have been phenomenal Samuel samuela Porter and Jamie Gibbs being
24:43
Speaker 3: able to make contributions right away. This Lions team has
24:46
Speaker 3: done a really good job the last two years putting
24:48
Speaker 3: back to back rookie classes that have been able to
24:50
Speaker 3: make contributions right away. But these two guys offensively, I
24:55
Speaker 3: don't know if anybody thought that they would come like this.
24:57
Speaker 3: People thought Jamiy Gis would make an impact with sam
25:00
Speaker 3: Laport have been able to make plays stretch the defense
25:03
Speaker 3: as a vertical stretch play maker down the middle of
25:05
Speaker 3: the field. He is being better than advertised. Man, this
25:09
Speaker 3: Lions team is kind of creeping into title contention status
25:13
Speaker 3: because of their young players playing really really well from
25:15
Speaker 3: day one.
25:16
Speaker 1: And Jamier Gibbs, going back through some of my notes
25:18
Speaker 1: on him, Gosh, he ran four three six coming out.
25:21
Speaker 1: I had fashion in the backfield in the slot, jet
25:24
Speaker 1: sweeps burst, He's a slasher. I'm not really in move
25:28
Speaker 1: the pile runner. He's got natural hands, excellent the screen game,
25:31
Speaker 1: big time FBI so Football Intelligence and pass Pro and
25:35
Speaker 1: it was kind of going back through and looking at
25:38
Speaker 1: him and who he reminded me of coming out, and
25:40
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of kind of that little
25:42
Speaker 1: bit of Jamal Charles vibe to him, even a little
25:45
Speaker 1: bit of Chris Johnson, like just when he gets out
25:47
Speaker 1: in the open field. He's got a different gear now,
25:49
Speaker 1: not quite the home run speed that Chris Johnson had,
25:53
Speaker 1: but he can go big time, big time dude. All right,
25:56
Speaker 1: I've got the first pick today, buck, this is rebound week.
25:58
Speaker 1: I've got to get back, got to get right. And
26:01
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the buys here and I'm seeing what
26:03
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs having a bye. I'm gonna go Bijon with
26:07
Speaker 1: the first pick. I'm gonna see if I can get
26:10
Speaker 1: get a point here. Three uh three for first place,
26:12
Speaker 1: right one for second. So I'm gonna go be Jeon
26:14
Speaker 1: Robinson with the first pick. You're up next.
26:17
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's tough, like the bid week's factory in
26:19
Speaker 3: And I'm just sitting here thinking.
26:21
Speaker 2: Like what who can I lean on? Who can I
26:23
Speaker 2: depend on? My guy? My guys are done. Let me
26:27
Speaker 2: see d because I don't have a right in front
26:29
Speaker 2: of me.
26:29
Speaker 3: Let's see if I can take Seattle up this week,
26:32
Speaker 3: Can I take Zach Charboney? Can I try to seattle
26:35
Speaker 3: some points for me? Yeah, so let's go with Zach
26:37
Speaker 3: Sharon running back up choice for the week. Yeah, I'm
26:40
Speaker 3: going to Zach Scharbony.
26:41
Speaker 1: See you can go and for planning for planning purposes. Uh,
26:45
Speaker 1: we're gonna let Drew is gonna get in my ear
26:47
Speaker 1: and tell me who rhtt has on his board. But
26:48
Speaker 1: just see you nobook the buys. This week, we've got Denver, Detroit,
26:52
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Jacksonville, as you know with Jacksonville, so you've
26:56
Speaker 1: got sharbon Ay and Drew's got in my ear and
26:59
Speaker 1: said he's gonna go CJ. Stroud for Rep. So he's
27:04
Speaker 1: gonna take the first quarterback off the board and then
27:06
Speaker 1: he's got another one here. When are we going Jordan Addison?
27:09
Speaker 1: Oh so so we're back to quarterback doing quarterbacks this week.
27:12
Speaker 1: We're back to quarterback. We're back to quarterbacks and then
27:15
Speaker 1: pass catchers. So we're combining the wide receivers and the
27:18
Speaker 1: tight ends. So hey, well dude, you've got options here,
27:22
Speaker 1: You've got you've got a lot of places you can go.
27:24
Speaker 1: You're up next buck, Yeah.
27:26
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm up next level so he took C. J. Strowder.
27:28
Speaker 2: Who else he does a snake draft? Who's the other guy?
27:30
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison? Yeah, Jordan Addison the white out?
27:33
Speaker 2: Oh wow, c Jordan Adison.
27:36
Speaker 3: Okay, So now the guy and me, after seeing Will
27:39
Speaker 3: Levis throw four touchdowns, would be like, let's go Will.
27:42
Speaker 3: I feel like the football guys won't reward me though,
27:44
Speaker 3: based on some of my pre draft commentary. However, I'm
27:47
Speaker 3: kind of shake and I'm gonna say, Will Levis, let's go.
27:50
Speaker 3: Let's see Will Levis can go and give you some
27:52
Speaker 3: points this week for the Tennessee Titans.
27:54
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I like it. I'm gonna double check
27:57
Speaker 1: and see who who my guy is playing here this
28:00
Speaker 1: next one. I got a lot of love from Panthers fans,
28:03
Speaker 1: by the way, is picking them to win last week.
28:05
Speaker 1: There was not a lot of people on that Panthers bandwagon.
28:08
Speaker 1: I believe buck they got their first one. I'm gonna
28:11
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take I've got no choice really taking Bryce,
28:14
Speaker 1: taking Bryce Young with my next pick. They are playing
28:18
Speaker 1: against the Colts there at home, So I've got Bryce
28:21
Speaker 1: Young with that pick. Now I need a pass catcher,
28:23
Speaker 1: and I mean, why why go away from Pooka. When
28:27
Speaker 1: Pooka has been this good to me, I'm gonna stick
28:29
Speaker 1: with Pooka. Nakua that leaves you Buck, you are.
28:34
Speaker 2: That that leaves me?
28:35
Speaker 3: Well, I really don't have a choice because like the
28:37
Speaker 3: way that I'm going, I can't take two Seahawks, I
28:39
Speaker 3: don't want to take Jess and I feel like I've
28:40
Speaker 3: rolled a dice in one last week. Let's go with
28:43
Speaker 3: Zave Flowers to see if za Flowers can do something
28:45
Speaker 3: this week.
28:46
Speaker 1: Okay, I like it, and then gosh, hold on, I
28:51
Speaker 1: think I'm hearing in my ear that I've got an
28:54
Speaker 1: interesting pick from rhet here. He's got the running back
28:57
Speaker 1: that he still needs. He is going to go with
29:00
Speaker 1: Imari de Mercado from the Cardinals, who has one hundred
29:03
Speaker 1: and ninety five rushing yards this year. He's got a touchdown,
29:07
Speaker 1: So I believe that's the first time, right, first first
29:10
Speaker 1: edition for him. Yeah, on the on the draft, so
29:13
Speaker 1: de Marcatto, welcome. Rett's not here and he's swinging for
29:16
Speaker 1: the fences. I don't know. Drew might have gone rogue
29:18
Speaker 1: on that one. I don't know if Drew are you?
29:20
Speaker 1: Are you ken?
29:22
Speaker 3: We'll see, well, we'll see. Well, we'll see if Rhett
29:26
Speaker 3: had any influence on it. We take some live Hey man,
29:28
Speaker 3: you sure you want the Cardinals right bit?
29:30
Speaker 2: You know?
29:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went for it. Of course, Drew has said
29:35
Speaker 1: that on the list that RHTT sent in with his stack,
29:37
Speaker 1: with his order of players to draft, that he had
29:39
Speaker 1: a couple of guys around buys. So Rett not doing
29:41
Speaker 1: his homework. It's too bad. It's too bad, Buck. He
29:46
Speaker 1: might have lost an opportunity for some points there. All right,
29:49
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's going to do it for the rookie
29:51
Speaker 1: draft again. We'll tabulate these next week and we'll update
29:54
Speaker 1: the standings and see if Ritt can completely close the
29:56
Speaker 1: gap here. He's within striking distance for sure. All right,
29:59
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today. Fun one did
30:02
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30:04
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