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God Will Provide: Abraham, Isaac & the Knife (Genesis 22) | Beers With Jesus · Todd's World

• Yo, it's Carrie: I just feel like this is next level unrelatable faith, next level unrelatable, unimaginable obedience. mean this is just on a level that I'm gonna s I'm speaking for myself. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: I can't imagine being in Abraham's shoes and having having that kind of level of faith nor obedience. Todd: Welcome everyone to Beers with Jesus, Todd's World. Carrie's with me. I'm Todd. We do this every week. We go we do Beers with Jesus where we just walk through the stories of the Bible and we have an amazing time doing it. How you doing, Carrie? Yo, it's Carrie: I'm doing well. How about you? It's Todd: Good. Yo, it's Carrie: a wild Halloween weekend. Todd: Yeah, we're recording on Halloween weekend. So you guys will get this Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: I I guess it drops Wednesday, so probably drop right after election day. Election's gonna be Yo, it's Carrie: Wednesday. Todd: what the third and then this will drop or whatever. So Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: yeah. And we also do Wildly Opinionated News Hour. So we have two shows. we do Wildly Opinionated News Hour every other week. So we didn't this is not our week for Wildly Opinionated News Hour. We did our our our election kind of forecast last show before the election. Check that out. you'll know what happened, you'll see how close we were at this point. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: But it's still worth listening to. Still bo it carry's always wildly entertaining. So just ask Yo, it's Carrie: I don't know. Todd: just ask the commenters on TikTok. Yo, it's Carrie: Wildly inflammatory these days apparently. I don't know what I said, got everybody in a tizzy. Todd: You hoped America would vote against socialism and they were not happy with that on TikTok. Yo, it's Carrie: I know, how dare I? How dare I speak against socialism? I I will not apologize. Todd: So yeah, we had Halloween weekend. Did you do anything fun for Halloween weekend? You had your party a week or ago, didn't ya? Your costume party or whatever? Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, I went to a party. Yeah. This this week this weekend there was a a really cool breast cancer walk yesterday morning. Todd: okay. Yo, it's Carrie: And I thought it was just like I thought it was a small thing. No, it's like Todd: But it's huge. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah, it's like American Cancer Society level. It was thousands of people and I was like, so not prepared. It was awesome. And that was really fun. And then yeah, took my grandson out trick or treating for the first time. He's two, so I thought he'd do like a little block like down and back. That kid ran on foot, kept his costume on for over an hour. Over an hour. We Todd: He was rolling. Wow. That's impressive. Yo, it's Carrie: it was we had a total blast. It was so fun. Yeah. How about you? Yeah. Todd: That's fun. I just found out this week that my oldest daughter is expecting. So I am gonna be a grandfather for essentially the first time, basically. Yo, it's Carrie: Whoa. Todd: And so I'm not I don't know. I mean I'm excited, of course I'm excited, but I'm also like I don't know, I don't really feel old enough for this, you know? Yo, it's Carrie: You're yeah, you do not feel n what when did you find out? Just yesterday? Todd: what day was it? Day before yesterday. Friday night. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: Yeah, it's because she just called people in FaceTime to sit like eleven at night. Which is that's Yo, it's Carrie: Probably still probably still digesting too, right? Todd: just my daughter. That's all she does thing. You just never know. Yo, it's Carrie: That's amazing though. I'm so excited for you all. Todd: It is exciting, so we'll see how that goes. I just always think Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, congrats to them. Todd: I thought I'd be farther along by now. I always think that Yo, it's Carrie: I thought my kids would be over forty before. Todd: I'd be ready for this. I don't know. But it is exciting. Yo, it's Carrie: That's exciting. Such exciting news. Yeah, I love that. Todd: So no, it's been a good weekend. We didn't do we don't we didn't do much for Halloween. We don't we don't where we live no, we we wouldn't get any. There we're just we're kind of off yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Do you have trick or treaters where you live? No. We we don't here. Todd: And and so we went and hung out for a little while with my sister and brother in law and their friends, and they were getting Yo, it's Carrie: Fun. Todd: trick-or-treaters, a little bonfire. Nothing big, just Smoke a cigar, hang out. Then our buddy Yo, it's Carrie: Nice. Cool. Todd: will came over later and then we had fun. We just it was a Michigan Halloween. Yo, it's Carrie: Good time. Yeah. No, that's nice. And what I was gonna say, is it like nice weather? Is it freezing? 'Cause Okay. Todd: It's actually beautiful. There's a lot of times we've had snowstorms on Halloween, but right Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: now it's been it be it was beautiful last night. Yesterday was in the probably Yo, it's Carrie: Cool. Todd: low sixties. Today I think we might hit seventy. So we've we yeah. I'm sure the bad weather's coming, but it hasn't come yet. So Yo, it's Carrie: Fantastic. You're having a nice fall. Perfect. Todd: I'll wait. It's it's you can wait. It's fine with me. We can it can come Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. I'm glad you're having Todd: like right before Thanksgiving or right before Christmas. Even you know what? Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Exactly. Todd: I don't even need it on Thanksgiving. Yo, it's Carrie: No. No one needs snow on Thanksgiving. Nobody. Yeah. Good for you. Yes. Todd: No. So so this week we're we we've been in Genesis, guys. We just walked through the stories of the Bible. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And and the whole point is that we don't really preach it. It's not that kind of a thing. we just kind of go we're we went through Mark and went through the stories of Jesus. We went through Acts and went through the stories of the of the early church and the disciples, and now we came all the way back to Genesis to get a feel for the beginning of of God's larger story that he's telling. And we go through the message. we read the message because the message is the best. And if you don't have a message, you should buy one. I mean what listen. What read whatever you want. Whatever whatever translation you want to read is probably the best, right? As long as you actually read it. Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Todd: But I happen to like the message. Fact my buddy Will and I were sitting down this morning or last night and I was asking him a question about something. And of course he doesn't trust the message. So I we had to go to the ESV and it was virtually the same. It was like I mean, it was the same basic idea. Yo, it's Carrie: okay, wait, you went to ESP 'cause I thought he was like hardcore King James. That's what I thought Will was. Okay. Okay. Okay. Todd: no, he's gotten off that somewhat. He's not as crazy as as we grew up. We grew up at with a level of crazy that what it was yes. No, he's not like that at all. He's not King James only or anything like that. So Yo, it's Carrie: He's expanding his yeah. Gotcha. Todd: he's moved on. He's grown. He's come to know the Lord. Yo, it's Carrie: You could say that 'cause he's probably not not listening. Yeah. Todd: No. So this week we've been going through Genesis. We're in the story of Abraham. And we are in Genesis twenty two, which I think is the I would almost say this is kind of the pinnacle, this is the climax, maybe, of the story of Abraham is a good way to think about it. So Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, sure. Todd: I'm reading this week, and I'm just gonna read through chapter 22 and then we're gonna talk about it. See what we Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: can see what's going on. So Genesis twenty two in the message Yo, it's Carrie: All right. Todd: After all this God tested Abraham. God said Abraham Yes, answered Abraham, I'm listening. He said Take your dear son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I'll point out to you. Abraham got up early in the morning and saddled his donkey. He took two of his young servants and his son Isaac. He had split wood for the burnt offering. He set out for the place God had directed him. On the third day he looked up and saw the place in the distance. Abraham told his two young servants, Stay here with the donkey. The boy and I are going over there to worship. Then we'll come back to you. Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and gave it to Isaac his son to carry. He carried the flint and the knife. The two of them went off together. Isaac said to Abraham his father, Father, yes, my son, we have flint and wood, but where's the sheep for the burnt offering? Abraham said, Son, God will see to it that there's a sheep for the burnt offering. And they kept walking together. They arrived at the place to which God had directed him. Abraham built an altar, he laid out the wood, then he tied up Isaac, and laid him on the wood. Abraham reached out and took the knife to kill his son. Just then an angel of God called to him out of heaven. Abraham came. Abraham Yes, I'm listening. Don't lay a hand on that boy. Don't touch him. Now I know how fearlessly you fear God. You didn't hesitate to place your son, your dear son on the altar for me. Abraham looked up. He saw a ram caught by its horns in the thicket. Abraham took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. Abraham named that place God Yrah. other versions, maybe the classic, would say Jehovah Jirah, if that Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: if you recogni recognize that. God sees to it. The Lord will provide is another way of saying it. That's where Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: we get the saying on the mountain of God, he sees to it. The angel of God spoke from heaven a second time to Abraham. I swear. God's sure word because you have gone through with this and have not refused to give me your son, your dear dear son, I'll bless you. how I'll bless you, and I'll make sure that your children flourish like stars in the sky, like sand on the beaches, and your descendants will defeat their enemies. All nations on earth will find themselves blessed through your descendants because you obeyed me. Then Abraham went back to his young servants, they got things together and returned to Beersheba. Abraham settled down in Beersheba. After all this Abraham got the news. Your brother Nahor is a father. Milka has given him children. Uz his firstborn, his brother Buzz. Kemel, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: he was the father of Aram, Kesid, Hazo, Pildash, Jidla Jidlef. And Bethel. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Bethel was the father of Rebekah. Rebecca's gonna come into the story next chapter. Yo, it's Carrie: right. Todd: Isaac's wife is Rebecca. Melka gave these eight sons to Nahor, Abraham's brother. His concubine, Ruma, Rema, whatever, gave him four more children, Tiba, Gahem, Tehash, and Mecca. Mecca, whatever. Anyway, we don't care much about that last paragraph. But I felt like we should read it. Yo, it's Carrie: Good job. It's right, right. We don't yeah, we don't skip Todd: Ha ha ha. Yo, it's Carrie: anything. We don't we don't edit this. We do. You did great You did great, I know. Todd: We deal with the names as they come. Buzz, Oz Haha. Yo, it's Carrie: At least they weren't twins. That would just be that would just Todd: Ha ha. Yo, it's Carrie: be weird. Wow. Thank thank you. Todd: What do you think, Carrie? Yo, it's Carrie: Good job. Oof. Todd: It's all on you from here out, I read, so Carrie's prepared. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Well here we go. I am just always like I I've actually had yeah, I've had pre recent conversation about about this this chapter. I just feel like this is next level unrelatable faith, next level unrelatable, unimaginable obedience. mean this is just on a level that I'm gonna s I'm speaking for myself. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: I can't imagine being in Abraham's shoes and having having that kind of level of faith nor obedience. Todd: I'm going to read one more thing. I'm going read Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: just to give us a a another lens to view this through. Hebrews 11, the Hall of Faith. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Mm-hmm. Todd: Where we tend to go through when we're because it gives us a little bit of a New Testament perspective on these on Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: these Old Testament saints. So Hebrews 11, 17 through 19. By faith, Abraham, at the time of testing, offered Isaac back to God. Acting in faith he was as ready to return the promised son, his only son, as he had been to receive him. And this after he had already been told your descendants shall come from Isaac. Abraham figured that if God wanted to, he could raise the dead. In a sense, that's what happened when he received Isaac back alive from off the altar. So that's gonna that just gives us this. So Abraham believed God so much he believed that you know what? Not the first of all it didn't make sense. Nothing about what God was calling Abraham to write this and it just didn't make any sense. Like what? Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Hundred percent. I wouldn't even trust it. I wouldn't even trust it. It it because it makes no sense. Obviously, Abra in this context, obviously Abraham believes he he perceives God in such a sure certain way that he doesn't doubt it, but that's just hard to imagine. Todd: Yeah. Well, it's also hard to imagine 'cause we have the concept of basically the entire story of Christianity, the entire the entire story of the Messiah and of Jesus Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: is he came to conquer death. He came to rise from the dead so that we through him can conquer Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: death and enter into life and rise from the dead ourselves. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: Right? And but but see we that's all that's all built in to our that's laid into to how we think about things. That wasn't true of Abraham. That I know of nobody had been Yo, it's Carrie: Right. No. Todd: nobody had risen from the dead yet in Genesis. Yo, it's Carrie: No, he doesn't even have the benefit of looking at his own scenario in that moment and saying, this is like this is an obvious parallel of the sacrifice Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: that God himself did with his own son. It's like, no, like that hadn't ha doesn't Todd: No, he doesn't have any of that. Yo, it's Carrie: have any of it. So it's just unfathomable to me. I mean Todd: But the fact that he he believed God so much and we have to Abraham's I I think you could say that the entire story of Abraham is one of God's choosing him, and then God I think we talked about this in an episode or two ago, and then God Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: progressively stripping people and things away from Abraham. Yo, it's Carrie: true. I remember us talking about that when Lot like you know, wasn't Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: supposed to come with him and then he did but then he moved away. is that what you're talking about? Todd: So that so that yeah, so that's what so you get it starts with he leave your home. The Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: the leave leave the only place you've ever known for 75 Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: years. And go to a to a a city I'm gonna show you, a place you don't even know where it is. I can't tell you exactly, Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: I'm not gonna give you the coordinates, but if you if you trust me, I'll take you there. So Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: so there's already no there's no map. There's no this is just there's Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: a God. And if there's a God And God cares enough to talk to you and to choose you and to work in your life so directly, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: then then Abraham has chosen to follow him. But it starts off with leaving your home. Now that's a big one. Yo, it's Carrie: It is big. I I don't think I don't think in the moment I fully appreciated it because it's not it's not Abraham's child. Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: But in this context it's like, you're right, this is this is the climax, this is the biggest ask, but the first one was really huge. Todd: Well, Abraham he leaves his home, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and then they settle in for a bit with his father, then his father dies. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And then he leaves there, and he brings Lot with him. And Lot Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: is his nephew. Lot's probably like a son to Abraham at that point. And then and then they run into conflict and and things get to the Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: point where where he has to separate from Lot too. And Lot goes one way and Abraham goes the other. And Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: so so there's loss in that. And then There's there's Abraham, he goes to to Egypt and and and then Sarah's his wife, and then there's this and that and and and so that Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that's a that's a struggle and a test. Then Ishmael, then they they try the Hagar and the Ishmael thing. And then Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: God finally shows up and God's like and then Sodom and Gomorrah. And and lots and and he's praying for these cities on the plains, if only ten people, ten righteous people, and instead God saves Lot, but saves Lot to what? You don't get the sense that there's there's not much of Lot's story left to tell after he's in the caves committing incest with his daughters. You know what I mean? that that seems Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: to be, you know, not the best end. There's Yo, it's Carrie: No. Todd: some grief in that too for Abraham. I mean, if he if he knows about it at some point, maybe he does. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: The the my my point is there's a lot of loss and a lot of grief throughout Abraham's life. Then Isaac's born. Finally, this promise he's been waiting on. And he's been waiting for 25 years. And he's already Sarah's womb's dead. It says Abraham's seed's dead at that point. So already God's kind of risen them from the dead in a sense to have Isaac. And then the second that he has Isaac last week, we realize he's gotta let out he's gotta send Ishmael and Hagarov. He's gotta let Ishmael go. His son Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: of fourteen years that he thought was the promise. And so there's that separation and that grief. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And y and yet he does it and he follows God. Okay. And now he's got Isaac, the apple of his eye. Now, at this point in the story, it's questionable how old Isaac is. I Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: I can tell you the Jewish tradition is that he was thirty-three years old, which works out really nice if you're a Christian and you're looking for that. This is the absolute parallel with Jesus. But Yo, it's Carrie: Wait, what? I've always thought he was young, adolescent. Really? This is so interesting. Todd: No, I don't think he was young. he was probably in he was probably pushing thirty anyway. What what you Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Everyone listening, thank you for being here. But this is why it's so cool to listen to Beers with Jesus because anyone who's heard this story, I'm s I'm sure. unless I just never learned. Okay. Okay. Todd: Well, the next the very next chapter, Sarah's gonna die. Sarah's gonna be a hundred and twenty-seven when she dies. I think she was was it eighty seven? I anyway, she's she's Isaac's probably mid to late forties Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. She was eighty five or something. Todd: when when Sarah dies. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: So some sometime in here was this. Jewish tradition is that he was in his early thirties. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: Which which would parallel Jesus exactly. Which the entire story parallels Jesus nearly perfectly. So maybe that wouldn't be a surprise. Yo, it's Carrie: It does, but I never thought about the age. The age, not lining up. Just thought of father, son, sacrifice, raised from the dead, which I wanna get back to that. Go ahead. Mm-hmm. Todd: Well what what's it What's interesting about it is that he I mean he's hiking, he's carrying the wood, and he's looking at his dad saying, We're kind of missing the most important part of this. Like But imagine being Abraham, imagine getting Yo, it's Carrie: Yes, dad Todd: that that call from God. Yeah, you would think this can't be God. Right? I must be crazy. I must have entered Lindsay Clancy territory. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Right. Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: Exactly. No, I I mean seriously. Todd: Like this is crazy, God. You y y we waited twenty five years. Everything you've said for twenty five years has revolved around this kid. He's gonna be my line and now Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: you're telling me to sacrifice him? Now you're telling you know? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: But that I guess that's encouraging that he believed God could even raise him from the dead, if that's what God's got to do. And think of all the things Abraham's seen as he's stepped out in faith and trusted God. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: And he thinks, well, nothing is beyond God. This is what he's getting to know. And so this is kind of that ultimate pinnacle where God's given him what he promised him. And now God's saying to him, I want you to give that back to me. Yeah, even if you if we can get away for a second from the human sacrifice portion, which I think is really it's it's a difficult thing for us to to process, do you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Okay. Todd: and if we can if we can just step and say just just he's asking Abraham to sacrifice what's most dear to him. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: To give it back to God. That's what that's what Hebrews said. Hebrews said that that he was as he was as ready to give the promised child back as he was to receive them. And that to me is is is Abraham holding these blessings, these people, these loved ones that God has given him with open hands, knowing they were never his to begin with. But you're right. Yo, it's Carrie: Right, don't you feel like that's next level? Todd: Well yeah, I think it is next level. Although it's probably it's what we're called to, I think. Yo, it's Carrie: We are called to it, but I feel like that I feel like Abraham is demonstrating perfection in his faith and in his obedience. And I just I don't I don't feel like that's something that feels attainable. Todd: Well, to some extent God gives us the Yo, it's Carrie: Like to some extent. Todd: grace to handle what he's called us to. I Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: i in other words, he gives us the grace today to handle what he's putting us through today. How many Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: people there's been a lot of people, and you know, I can if people are stacking up like loss and things like that, I've got a decent hand that I can go up against people with. I've had a fair amount of loss in my life. But there's Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Todd: still people that I'll run into their stories And it's unimaginable to me that they're dealing with that. You know what I mean? I think Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Okay, sure. Todd: when we look at other people and what God's calling them to deal with, a lot of times it is unimaginable to us because we haven't been given the grace to deal with that. But on the flip side, sometimes when we're going through things, Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: when you're just coming off cancer and you're losing your husband and you're going through all these things, people look at you and they th and they feel the same way. Even though in the moment that's not how we feel. We're just getting Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: through day by day on the grace that God gives us for that day. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And we don't Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: have any in those times, we don't have any bandwidth to really think about it. We're not reflecting on things at that time. We're just surviving, right? Yo, it's Carrie: Yes, yes. Todd: And and and it Yo, it's Carrie: Hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying, but also there's an additional layer of I'm gonna say free will here. you know, cancer and being Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: unexpectedly widowed, like those I I didn't have like an option. They were they happened. I I mean, like if God had come to me and said Todd: Well right. It is a little different like that. Yo, it's Carrie: Yes, if God had come to me and said, Hey, I'm gonna hand you this challenge and I'm gonna walk you through it, I would just be like, man, like let no. Can we Todd: No. Yo, it's Carrie: what's behind door number two? I mean, seriously. And I this is that's what I'm just saying. This this feels like this feels like faith and obedience perfected, like what Abraham is demonstrating for us in within Abraham's. Yeah. Todd: I think that's why I'm calling it the pinnacle. I'm saying that you if you look at Abraham's life and and journey to this point, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: I think I do think this is the pinnacle. I think this is peak Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: not peak peak obedience, maybe, peak faith. This is and and we don't have to be fair, we don't have any other Yo, it's Carrie: Right. They're really close in this one. Todd: stor we don't have any other stories like this in the Bible except the main story, which is what God did with his own son. We don't Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: have anything else He he chose one man to make this almost perfect analogy in like a in like this is this is a type and a symbol of what I'm gonna do. And and because what it requires Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: what it requires is it requires us giving up the most important parts of ourself. That's what it that's what God that's what it required of God. Christ had to empty himself to become one Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: of us. And he took he he he He consented to death, even death on the cross. And and so God did what he God ends up doing exactly what he now in the moment God provides a way. God makes a way for Abraham. Right? And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. Todd: in the end he doesn't have to I gotta believe more there was more conversation with Isaac than than what we're what we're given here. I just think I mean I think Isaac was in I think Yo, it's Carrie: Ya right. I know. Can you can you imagine that conversation? Todd: I think when it talks about Abraham binding, that's why I want to give people an understanding here that Abram's like he's a hundred and ten, hundred and fifteen, Isaac's Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: thirty three and and Abraham's binding and putting him on the altar. This is this was this was there there was a there was obedience on Isaac's part too is my point. Yo, it's Carrie: Got it. Okay. Yes, I hear what you're saying. Todd: You understand what I'm saying? Isaac was in on this, and whatever whatever Abraham communicated, we see some of it here that God will provide, but I gotta believe there was more there. And Abraham said, Listen, this is what I've been called to, and I don't know, I don't understand any of it. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: But I can only tell you that I haven't understood most of it, most of the way. But I Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: find that if I step out and if I believe and if I obey, that God provides. Jehovah Jirah, God provides every time. So I don't know how he's gonna do it, son. But I'm telling you this is the way. And if you get Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: up on that altar, God will provide. I I may plunge the knife, I may not, you may get back. I don't know what's gonna happen. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: But but but that's where I think you see this this this passing on of this faith between a father and a son. Had to it just it had to happen, I feel like. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. You know what I mean? Yes. where did you get I I you said something about Abraham believing that God could r could raise Isaac from the dead. Where did that come from? I'm I missed the eleven. That was the eleven. So Robin again. Okay, thank you. Mm-hmm. Todd: Hebrews eleven, that was the other thing I read. So I'll read it again. Hebrews eleven, seventeen through nineteen. By faith Abraham, at the time of testing, offered Isaac back to God. Acting in faith, he was as ready to return the promised son, his only son, as he had been to receive him. In this after he had already been told, your descendants will come from Isaac. Abraham figured that if God wanted to, he could raise the debt. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: In a sense, that's what happened when he received Isaac back alive from off the altar. And so to me, that's the whole central part of this story is Abraham realized the same thing that we all have to realize. The same this is what salvation is. Salvation Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: is realizing that if God wants to, he can raise the dead. Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Todd: And and that he did raise the dead with his son and were among the dead that can be raised through that. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Yes. Okay. So do you do you think that I mean, again, we we carefully, we carefully speculate what God's plan may have been when we explore these stories. But Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: do you think that God was laying the groundwork for Abraham's generations of descendants? So that when Jesus came and this happened. They they were all certainly familiar with this story. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: And so when Jesus came and said, This is what I'm eventually at right at the end said, This is what I'm gonna Todd: They should have seen it. Yo, it's Carrie: do, right, they would have recognized they would have recognized the father, the son, the sacrifice, and the Todd: Well and some of them did. Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: and he said I was gonna he was gonna rise. So do you think that that's it, I think. Okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Todd: The faithful remnant d remnant did, I think. Yeah. I think that the the the disciples, the church that that came from him, they they believed it. And and it was in Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: in and not any different than Abraham when it says in in Romans that Abraham believed God and it was counted to Abraham as righteousness. In Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: the same way we believe God and it's counted Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: as righteousness. Now the other thing that Jewish church well, this is in the same area we don't know for sure. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: But but it seems to be implied in the story that this is is either within sight of or on the same mountain where Jesus was eventually killed. I mean the parallels are just so direct. If you think about if you think about Yeah, and if Yo, it's Carrie: Really? Wait, the geography of this is relevant? Todd: you think about Abraham, yeah, I I have not myself been to Israel. But people talk about when they go to Israel, they have where this they believe this happened with Isaac and Abraham, and you can look and you have a direct sight line. To Galgotha where Christ was sacrificed on the cross. And there's a belief that Yo, it's Carrie: Got it. That's amazing. Todd: traditional that I don't know, this wouldn't be Jewish, obviously. There's a belief that Abraham had a vision during this story. And part Yo, it's Carrie: okay. Todd: of that vision was he saw he saw the Messiah. He saw Christ dying in his place. And I I don't know. We don't know exactly what happened. But Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: There's some scriptures that hint at that a little bit. Yo, it's Carrie: Interesting. Okay. Todd: And that that Abraham saw far off what Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: was w what God was gonna do, that God gave him and maybe because of his special obedience. But but there's so many parallels. He gives Isaac the wood Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: to carry. Christ carries his cross. Yo, it's Carrie: wow, that's great. I mean, you know, from a from a parallel kind of a literary standpoint. This is horrible, but you know what I mean. Todd: You know what I mean? He's on his he binds him and and and Isaac allows himself to be sacrificed, just like Jesus says, Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: Not my will, your will be done. Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: And that it's at the last second when he's getting ready to plunge the knife that God doesn't have the heart. Maybe God could have raised I obviously God could have raised him from there's many things God could have done, but that wasn't Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: the point. The point was the story. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And the point was, you were willing to do this. I'm Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: not only willing to do this, I'm going to do this. And Abraham gets a glimpse, perhaps, Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: two, four thousand years in the future, whatever it was, of what God is gonna do. And the sacrifice that God is prepared to make for the whole world. You know? Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Mm-hmm. Todd: God's not calling us to do something. Jesus isn't calling us to do something that he doesn't do. That's why what w what are we called to? We're called to pick up our cross and follow him. God, we're we're called to empty ourselves, but that's the same thing that God's done. He he he he doesn't call us to anything he hasn't done for us. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: What do you think, Carrie? Yo, it's Carrie: So I was gonna ask you a question about this. Okay, when when when you use that term pick up our cross and follow him today, what Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: does what does that mean in in like a modern sense? Is it to carry the burdens of your life? Is it to like what what Todd: I think it's to die to self. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Okay. Todd: I think I think we are it we we offer ourself raised up on on our own crosses of sorts. We experience death through him, Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Mm-hmm. Todd: but we die to ourselves. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: And we die to that's why if you think about the Lord's Prayer and how it begins, it says, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Your kingdom come, your will be done. There's this idea that at the very front end when you're approaching God every day, let's say Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: You you say at the front end of the day, at the beginning of the day, you're saying, you know what? This is I'm giving you my kingdom, and I'm giving my will, and I'm subjugating it to yours, and I'm saying, your will be done, your kingdom Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: come. Which is the exact same thing that Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane. He Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: said, Not my will, but your will be done. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: He was doing he was praying exactly as he told us to pray. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: At the moment of his greatest. Testing and in trial and suffering. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: Race sweat and drops of blood. And I think the same thing of Abraham. This is this is Abraham's this is his toughest trial, his toughest test. He obeys anyway. It can't have Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: been easy. We can't look at it and think, well, this was Abraham just must have been set up for it. Like it, like imagine, Yo, it's Carrie: It's incredible. Todd: imagine, yeah, you said it's it's it's unbelievable because it is unbelievable. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: There's a part of the there's a part of the gospel story that's a little unbelievable. It's unbelievable that God would become one of us and and then sacrifice himself for us. Like it's just unbelievable. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. We Right We take the story for granted because we've been raised with it and we've known it. Like you said, Abraham doesn't have that have the benefit of that. Todd: No. Yo, it's Carrie: so today in the Catholic Church, and I don't know if this is anywhere else you can tell me if you know, it's called well probably not. It's called All Saints Day. So I guess that wouldn't be in it's today. The Todd: That's today, right? Yeah. I don't know if the Orthodox do it or not, but yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure Lutherans do. I bet the Lutherans Todd: It might. Yo, it's Carrie: do. Anyway, All Saints Day, it's the day after All Hallows Eve, which is Halloween. Todd: Right. Halloween, right. Yo, it's Carrie: but today at church, Father Matt said something that now is just connected s in a really cool way to what you're describing. And he said that one of the things that makes the Saints different. Is that they have an eternal perspective, like a big picture perspective of their lives. That our lives Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: are a pilgrimage of sorts, that we belong to heaven, but we're here right now, and our lives are our respective pilgrimages toward returning to heaven. And Todd: Is he saying they had that perspective while they were here? Okay. Yo, it's Carrie: Yes, that they had that perspective, that they have a bigger picture perspective. And so for example, if something they were facing a challenge in a moment or having a a bad a bad day or a bad period, a bad season in life, an illness, or whatever the the case is, some of them experienced some really unimaginable horrors. Todd: Horrific things, yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: But that they it was it was small to them because they were able to separate that eternal view. they could see the goal. And it makes me think of what you're describing here with Abraham because Abraham is like he seems to have a really clear discernment between God's well, between God's will and his own, between Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: earthly connections and heavenly, you know, goals, godly Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: expectations. So and when you said when you said he was if he perhaps saw Jesus in the distance, for example, if he saw that, I thought, man, that's like having an etern a view of eternity. Because Jesus Todd: It is. Yo, it's Carrie: because Jesus is is our our gateway to eternity. Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: So now if he didn't see I think that's A neat concept. I don't know where that came from. You said someone wrote that. If he didn't, if he didn't Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: actually see it, but just the fact that even looking down at his son and being willing to sacrifice him the way God was asking him to, to realize that to be putting God's will ahead of his own, to me is also viewing like having an eternal perspective rather than one that's in the moment. Todd: No, I think you're right. Actually, if you go Yo, it's Carrie: So it's just an interesting Todd: to the next paragraph above where I read in in Hebrews about Abraham in thirteen Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. yeah. Todd: or eleven thirteen Hebrews eleven thirteen, each one of these people of faith died not yet having in hand what was promised, but still believing. How Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: did they do it? They saw it way off in the distance, waved their greeting, and accepted the fact that they were transients in this world. That's what you're talking, it's exactly what you're describing. Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Yeah. It's exactly it. That's so interesting. Todd: People who live this way make it plain that they are looking for their true home. If they were homesick Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: for the old country, they could have gone back anytime they wanted. Again, that's Abraham. He could have he nothing was holding them to Canaan except God. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: But they were after a far better country than that heaven country. You can see why God is so proud of them and has a city waiting for them. Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: Yeah, I I just love that. I think that I think it's exactly what you said. It's a it's an eternal perspective. It's Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: like when the rich young ruler came to Jesus and and he said, what what do I gotta do to to to go to he it wasn't to go to heaven, it was to enter the kingdom or something, whatever it was. And and to be saved was the idea. And Jesus said, you know, follow the commandments, you the commandments, and he said, I've done all that my whole life. I've done all I've followed all the commandments, and Jesus said, Well, one thing you lack, go and sell everything you have, give it to the poor, then all Your riches will be in heaven. It all you'll have all heavenly currency. And he Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: went away sad because he had he was more concerned about keeping his currency here, his earthly currency. And Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: Jesus is saying that's of no use at all. In fact, Jesus it'd be hard to imagine who talked about money less than Jesus. He just it wasn't. He seemed to have very little interest in our worldly types of of things. But Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, he d that's true. That's true. Todd: But I think that's true. I think Yo, it's Carrie: I was looking Todd: that that the saints you're talking about, what made them different is that they were able to get they were able to get a a longer perspective. They were able to say, God put us here to minister. And you know what? He put us here to minister and to and and the other thing it says in Hebrews just a little later on is Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: it says there were those who under torture refused to give in and go free, preferring something better, resurrection. Others braved abuse and whips and yes chains and dungeons. We have stories of those who were stoned, sawn in two, murdered in cold blood, stories of vagrants wandering the earth in animal skins, homeless, friendless, powerless. The world didn't deserve them, making their way as best they could on the cruel edges of the world. Like that's what that's in Hebrews, yeah, that's towards the end of Yo, it's Carrie: Is that in is that in Hebrews? Wow. Todd: Hebrews eleven. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay, towards the end of the hall of faith. Wow. Todd: Yeah, so the saints have always been that. It's always not been a a glorious thing per se, you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: yeah, no, it's it's rough. So the other thing he said was he talked about C.S. Lewis and he said something about being homesick, like you just said about heaven being home. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: He said something about feeling homesick for for a place we've never known. And Todd: Yes, I know what he's talking about. Yo, it's Carrie: and I just found this. And I don't know if this is exactly exactly it, but it comes from yeah, it comes from mere Christianity. Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: You quote this all you quote this stuff all the time. But C Todd: We'll see if I know this one. Yo, it's Carrie: S Lewis and what is it what was this what is this casual like friend's name? Jack? Jack. Was that what his his friends called him? Yeah. Todd: Jack Well that's what his friends called him, yeah. They called him Jack. It was Clive Staples Lewis and they called him Jack, yeah. His family and friends called Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: him Jack. Yo, it's Carrie: He said, if I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world. Todd: Yep. So good. Yo, it's Carrie: Which is really Yeah, it's so good. So Todd: And I think that's true. I think that's it that's a that's another retelling of the exact thing that we just read in Hebrews. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: it's exactly what we see in Genesis twenty-two, which is Abraham has taken, and I think it is the pinnacle, but I think you know, it's all the it's all the steps of faith along the way that Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: prepared Abraham for the biggest step of faith. He's been growing The whole time. He he spent 25 Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: years waiting and did most of his growing through that. Now he's been he's been growing as Isaac's been growing and and he's growing Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: in his faith and he's growing in his obedience. And he's gotten to the point where God can ask anything of him, and he just does it. He just says, Okay. And he doesn't ask himself, Well, this doesn't make any sense. Well, I don't understand this. How could this possibly be? You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Hey, I wonder I wonder why he doesn't question it, or at least it's not written here that he doesn't question it. Todd: It isn't written here. Why? Yo, it's Carrie: Because he question remember he questions the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. So, you Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: know, in that whole like back and forth conversation, well what if you find this many people? What if you find this many Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: people? I wonder why i there I mean, could there not have been more conversation and why isn't it here? Yeah, like Todd: Could he have not fought back a little? That's what I know what you mean. Yo, it's Carrie: right? Like Todd: I don't Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: know. And the I d I really don't know. I don't know if he did or if he didn't. It doesn't sound like he did. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: I think he I think well when God speaks Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: how often does God speak really? I mean in this kind of way where you're like he's it's you know even in Abraham it it would it would be decades between when God would show up sometimes five ten years. So Yo, it's Carrie: True. Todd: he showed he's shown up and I mean you're right that Abraham's kind of gone at it with God. Like would you really do this? So so that it's not that Abraham is afraid to confront God, I don't think. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: So it must be that in Abraham he sensed something in God that this wasn't this wasn't one that was up for debate. there's times Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: we live at the pleasure of the king. And and unfortunately, I think we often like to think that we should have everything explained to us. We should like I need to know more about this before I'm gonna obey. Yo, it's Carrie: I'd like Right? I would yes, I would like that. Do you have any kids like that? Growing growing up? yeah. I was like that. Todd: Yeah, yeah. Well I've always been like that. And then God's like, No, it's not it's just because I've said it. It's just because Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: it it pleases the king or it doesn't please the king. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: We have a hard time thinking that way. I have a hard time thinking that way. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, absolutely. Todd: But I think that's I mean, we have a Lord for that reason. When I when you begin Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: every day with You not my will but your b will be done. Let your kingdom come, let your will be done. You know, keep me forgiven and forgiving, kinda close to the cross. Because I think that's the only way you can do that. But Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: we we give that up. And I think it has to be given up every day. Every morning. It it Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: it C.S. Lewis has a line about that, how it how it crawls all it seems to grow all over us like a fresh shell every night. And we have to kind of break it off again. Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Does he say that? I believe that because Christad, I'll tell you I'll Todd: our self will Yo, it's Carrie: tell you, I feel like sometimes I'm sometimes I pray fervently, but in this moment, you know, listening to you describe that approach to a day, I think, wow, how often am I just saying those words, you know? Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: So it's a again, it's an it's another Todd: Well it's seeds, right? Yo, it's Carrie: level. Yes, of course, but it's another level. The the the commitment to the meaning of those words. as opposed to just Yeah, yeah, I'll I'll do your will. And then it's like, no. Yeah. Mm. Mm-hmm. Todd: Yeah. And we don't get it. We maybe still don't. I've been thinking about that, It's obviously you you you hit these kind of milestones in life and one of is Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: your kid having a kid. That's a big deal, right? And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: which of course I'm mildly excited for but for for myself in me, it produces Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: just a lot of different things. And part of it is thinking about my parents. My parents have been gone for a long time. And I Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: think it's just different, you know. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: My kids never really got to know my parents. They weren't didn't get really get to be grandparents. You know the crazy thing is Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that I was my mom was fifty two. Reese Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: was she was fifty one when Reese was born. She was diagnosed with cancer at fifty two, and that was the only Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: grandkid she ever got to know when everything went downhill. And Reese's having a grand and I'm fifty one and definitely have cancer, although it's not like as bad as my mom's. But it's Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: still like just a weird like parallel in you just think it's interesting Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: how things work and how they how they go and how they don't go and and why. I don't know why. Why why did why did my parents not get the privilege of getting to know my kids? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: But I don't think and I don't think questions like that have any answers. You know? At least yeah, not here. I Yo, it's Carrie: No, not here. Mm-hmm. Todd: think the answer is we we live and move at the pleasure of the king. I really do. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And then we can say, I don't know, I trust that he does know. And I g that that has to be where Abraham came to with this. Right? I say came to it. Yo, it's Carrie: Right, it must have been. Todd: It sounds like it was like right away. But but still the idea that Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. I'm sure it was still difficult. Todd: I mean he spent three days getting there and yeah, this is not like Yo, it's Carrie: it must have it it must have been the worst. Todd: The conversation with Isaac, but the but but it's in these these things where where maybe Abraham's admitting I don't have the answer for this But I believe him anyway. Maybe for Isaac to see that in his dad, like maybe that's where that faith really kinda takes root, you know, where that where you're really passing Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: it on is in in times of trest of testing and times of trial and times where God's like, This is the path you're gonna walk and you're like Man, this is not the path I wanted to walk. You know? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: So Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Interesting. So wait, it was a three day trip? Todd: Yeah, doesn't it say something about on the third day? So they take off, they've got some servants with them. And then on the third day he looked up and saw the place in the distance. So somehow somehow Abraham saw where God wanted him to do it. And then he left the servants behind at that point. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: it sounds like from there on him and Isaac walked. My guess is Abraham wasn't in a hurry to get there. I just saying Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: I you know, like probably Yo, it's Carrie: I agree. Todd: wasn't racing there. And yet he got up Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, exactly. Todd: early and yet he obeyed and yet he did it, and and he trusted Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: God anyway, and and and out of that we get the the this amazing picture of everything God's doing, which is raising us from the dead. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: That's the whole point. Raising the world from the dead. Fur I I read this week in First John and I and I think this is great. I I'm gonna tell you that I don't entirely know exactly what it means. I've been kind of running it over a little bit, but Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: the where is it here? In First John was it two? Maybe it Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: was two. Let me find it. And he said it talk it's talking about Jesus solving the sin problem of the world. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: And how can I not find it? It's right here. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: sorry guys. I must have been looking at this in a different Bible. I have different message Bibles and they lay out a little different. And like I I thought, I know right where this is. And I didn't know right. Here it is. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. yeah, you're kind of looking where this is and you think it was a in a different spot? Okay. Todd: It's at the very beginning of 1 John 2. I write this, dear children, to guide you out of sin. But if anyone does sin, we have a priest friend in the presence of the Father, Jesus Christ, righteous Jesus. When he served as a sacrifice for our sins, he solved the sin problem for good, not only ours, but the whole world's. I think that's really good. I don't know exactly Yo, it's Carrie: that is good. Todd: what that means, even. I've been kind of struggling with that this week. I've been studying it out thinking, what exactly does that? It seems to to to make a distinction between Believers, Christians, and what God then does with the whole world. You know what I mean? there's there's a wider salvation. That that that it seems like those believers as as a as a nation of priests and kings maybe we're part of. I don't know. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Maybe it's symbolic. I I don't really know, but but but that's exactly what we're reading about is Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Jesus pictured in Isaac solved the sin problems of the entire world. And Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: Pretty amazing stuff, really. Yo, it's Carrie: It is. Well, I like Yeah, I'm sorry, I had a thought while you were saying, I didn't want to interrupt, but but solving no, Todd: Always interrupt. Yo, it's Carrie: no. But solving the sin problem well, I mean solving the sin problem it's like it's like solving death. That's the thought I had. Was that Todd: Yeah. It is. Yo, it's Carrie: that sin equals death and Jesus dying for our sin. Conquers death. So that's what I I that's for Todd: Mm-hmm. Not just for us, but for the whole world somehow. Yo, it's Carrie: the whole world. So yeah, so I l I like that. Right. I'm sure it well, Todd: That's interesting. I don't know what that means. I d I don't exactly know. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah, I think it depends who it depends who you talk to. It's just the ongoing conversation in my house about that, but mm-hmm. Todd: Yeah. Well I think it's the kingdom and I think that it's through the kingdom the kingdom comes and through the kingdom the whole world is is redeemed. What does Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: that mean the whole world is redeemed? I I don't exactly know. I don't exactly know. Yo, it's Carrie: Well I thought I think it means that it's available to everyone. That's what I think. Mm hmm. And I think he Todd: Yeah, i that's something. Part of it. Yo, it's Carrie: wants everyone. He Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: wants everyone to have it. I don't know. Todd: Yeah, I don't know. But anyway, Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: I thought it was pretty good. What do you think? Yo, it's Carrie: It was good. It was Todd: So Yo, it's Carrie: really good. Todd: listen guys, we don't tie little bows on things at the end. You get what you get throughout and that's it. You're not paying anything. Yo, it's Carrie: My li my little bow my little my little bow on Genesis twenty two is that our discussion on it was ex wildly more optimistic than I would have expected. Todd: Good, I'm glad. I like being optimistic. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: I feel like the the whole story's pretty optimistic. There's some tough parts and you enter through suffering, but Yo, it's Carrie: Well but yes, it's very tough. And I don't think that's why I I don't think people entering this story would expect that exactly. Todd: But that's not the end. That's a the suffering is the is the is what we pass through. It's the refiner's fire. Jesus Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: is the end, I think. Life in Jesus in eternity. So all right. Well listen, guys, thank you for joining us. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Thank you so much. Todd: Thank you, Carrie. Great. I I I thought this was a a great passage. Like I said, we're gonna phase Yo, it's Carrie: Thank you. Todd: out of Abraham pretty quick now. So we've we've we've and Yo, it's Carrie: All right. Todd: I love Abraham. I loved this story. And I love Isaac. I love Jacob coming up. There's so many. I I really Yo, it's Carrie: my gosh. Todd: there's so many great stories coming. 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