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Ep. 10 | North American Dog Man | Sasquatch & Sourdough Podcast · Sasquatch & Sourdough

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Statsquatch and Sourdough, the podcast where we embark on a journey into the depths of the unknown, weaving together threads of ancient scripture, tales of high strangeness, and the joys of nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're a seeker of truth, a lover of the great outdoors, or simply hungry for a good story, Statsquatch and Sourdough invites you to join us on a journey of discovery, wonder, and deliciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: So grab your backpack, sharpen your senses, and prepare to explore the sacred mysteries of our highly strange world like never before.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, welcome back to Stasquatch and Sourdough.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: I am your host, Christina, and this is my beautiful best friend, Crystal.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Hi! And you are you.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's the beginning of fall ish in Maryland.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Maryland has some really interesting weather, and there's actually like a chart circulating that you can look up.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like what season?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen that?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the 12 seasons of Maryland chart.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: So according to that, we're like in fake fall.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: So we're in fake fall in Maryland.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it feels like the leaves are changing, it feels like it should be 70 degrees permanently, but it's not.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't stay that way, it fluctuates.
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  SPEAKER_01: We still have our humidity.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we still have the humidity.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like every other day.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: Today it's humid.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today it's good, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It goes back and forth.
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't make for thumb hiking.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the pumpkins are out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yay, so I got some fantasy pumpkins from a little market down the street.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I started buying mums.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I bought a mum too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're really pretty.
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  SPEAKER_01: I always forget that you can plant them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I've planted them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they come back, sometimes they don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they come back.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just completely random.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, there was something else that we planted.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, holy basil's like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like if you plant it in the ground, sometimes it'll come back and you can do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's really weird.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I have two in like pots.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like moms.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they look pretty in the fall.
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  SPEAKER_01: I also, when I bought my fantasy pumpkin, it reminded me that I forgot, totally forgot to plant pumpkins in June.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think you're supposed to in June.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we do this thing where we put pumpkins in our yard for how long this week.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then they run.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the seeds go into the ground and the pumpkin fertilizes it, and then we just get like pumpkin.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we have pumpkin.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't really plant it, but we know what's gonna happen.
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  SPEAKER_02: So then we just look out for like the pumpkin vines every year.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're like, we're gonna get a pumpkin.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: We had that happen one year, and it I think it was it had to have been like a squirrel or a bird, and it happened in our wall.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh like we have a really pretty stone wall in our front, like the front of our house, and it was just like this magical pumpkin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, so yeah, so plant your pumpkins and have to remind everybody of myself in June.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like a whole process.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's fun because then you have a pumpkin batch.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really cool to have your own pumpkin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, spooky movies.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, spooky music movie season.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I have so many.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a weird question for you as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is your spooky movie?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's the beginning of the season for you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where did you go to right now?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh boy.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's so many I can pick from.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I can tell you what we've actually done this year, and I guess it changes year by year.
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  SPEAKER_02: But this year, um, I watched Monster Squad with all of my children.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's a movie from the 80s that I'm very fond of.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a cute movie.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's it actually hasn't aged very well.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of like 1980s humor that just would not fly these days.
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  SPEAKER_02: You could not make that movie today.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the best.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's so much stuff in it that's not PC.
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  SPEAKER_02: And considered, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just considered bad these days.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought you I thought you meant with like technology that the kids would be like, what's that fun?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, no, the humor is very crude and choice language that is not used anymore these days.
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  SPEAKER_02: I won't go any further into that.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's funny.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um, anyway, it's a really great movie, and I love the mummy scene in particular.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the little boy, I don't know if I knew anyone's seen it, but I'll tell you.
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  SPEAKER_02: The little boy comes to his dad and he's like, Dad, there's a monster in my closet.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the dad's like, Okay, come on.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he goes in the boy's room and he like opens up the door and he's looking at the little boy and he's like, Ooh, scary monsters, go away, scary monsters.
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  SPEAKER_02: But he doesn't see that behind him in the closet, there actually is a mummy in the closet.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the dad doesn't look, and it's like, you know, it's a funny moment.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he like slams the door without looking, and he's like, I'm going back to bed.
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  SPEAKER_02: So then he goes back to bed, and the little boy like puts his hands over his eyes, and the mommy like slowly walks across the room and like goes out the window, and you can see like the little trail of bandages like behind him out the window.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it sounds horrifying, but it's like it's funny, yeah.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's like their cute little small yeah, it's called nighttime again.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I go, I'm kind of like it's it's all like sort of like cyclical, I guess, with me with the seasons.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like I watch the same stuff at the same time, like every year.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: So like right now, I'm kind of like, I mean, I'll watch the burbs whenever.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: I usually watch that in the summer.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for some reason, it's weird.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: I watch it in the summer, and then I'm like, okay, it's been a month.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: I should probably like Rob's always like we watch this like this month.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, but it's the burbs, it's my comfort movie.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the best movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, poor tumbling.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I totally get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, there's so many.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like now I'm just playing it in my head.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the dog.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what's really funny to me is I'll tell people, oh, have you ever seen the burbs?
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  SPEAKER_02: Nobody has any idea what I'm talking about.
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  SPEAKER_02: Talking about, and then I told you, and you were like, Yeah, that's like the best movie ever.
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  SPEAKER_02: Watch it every week.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's why we were best friends.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we're best friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: So different yet, so like, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think the one this is what kind of got me thinking about this question, is like the one that I I feel like I'm it's always about like the woods for me, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like when I spend more time in the woods, I'm like, oh yeah, what's like I want a woodsy movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dude, The Watcher in the Woods.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's really good.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just love that movie.
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  SPEAKER_02: There is an interesting fact about that one, is um Disney has cut ties with that movie.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why it's not on Disney Plus.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not on Disney Plus.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I consider it like too scary and too like I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like the whole alien thing and everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dude, Disney's got some nerve.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like they totally cut ties with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you afraid that like they've discovered your total secret?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, give me a break.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've assumed some conspiracy theory.
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  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's so many conspiracy theories with Disney and the weirdness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you think?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's why you have to watch it on YouTube.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: I love Reddie Davis.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do with all?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: Karen.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Karen.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Karen.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: Karen.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I so the funny thing about that movie is I remember watching it way back um in like the I don't know, 80s, 90s.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it the first time I saw it was at my cousin.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: I had a very rich cousin, and she had Disney, like the Disney Channel.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: Disney Plus.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Disney Channel, and you paid extra for that with your cable.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that was like, you were rich and fancy.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: You were fancy.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: You were not middle class fancy.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: You were like straight up rich.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she actually lived in Lump Savorum Park, so they were like totally rich.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I remember like we were at a some function, and they they must have just put on the Disney channel and then it was on.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like mesmerized by the I was like, what is going on here?
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: There's like a weird, there's mirrors, and the girls blindfolded in like white giraffe.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's just such a cool it's very atmospheric.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's so atmospheric.
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  SPEAKER_01: And like Benny Davis and Penny L A T.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: But so the funny thing is, I I forgot about it.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then I like remembered it and I was like, oh great, it's so beautiful.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like googling it, like describing the whole thing.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: And thank God more if I'd say this for Reddit, because it was just like Yeah.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, that's Watcher in the Woods.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Highly recommend.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great one.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta find it on YouTube.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: So cancel Disney Plus and then go.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, I know it's spooky season.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we actually, so last week we talked about Goat Man.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that was a fun episode, and that actually kind of like I was surprised at the reactions from that.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um so it was kind of cool because we naturally led into like the next episode, which is John Man.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many different stories about like um phantoms and dogs and like in the in like the shadowy graveyard.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what do they call them?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like the grimms.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: The grimms, yeah.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in the cemeteries, and um that's a whole other like side trail too, because that is and like it's it's almost like it's not a like death eater, but it's like a fear eater.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's supposed to either be some of them protect and some of them just are there to scare you so they can like feed off of it.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, did you wanna um get into the duo?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I found this really cool information when I was looking up Dogman, and I discovered that the name the Duo comes from Pennsylvania Dutch.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: So where we live in Maryland, we're very close to um Lancaster and Pennsylvania Dutch communities.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so a lot of the Dogman sightings that are seen here in Maryland are usually connected to sightings in Pennsylvania.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's probably like the same creature that people are seeing because we're very close.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: And there are a lot of Pennsylvania Dutch um actually that live here in Maryland, like up towards the northern part of our state, like where the line is.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, according to legend, the duo is um a vicious creature dating back to the early settlement of the Middle Cown Valley.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: The origin of the Duello is thought to have come from Pennsylvania Dutch.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Stories circulated of a wolf-like creature similar to the duo known as the Hexenwolf.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, Hexenwolf.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that name.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the Hexen Wolf is um German folklore, and that was here before the um duo was introduced.
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  SPEAKER_02: So people were used to hearing about the Hexan wolf because of all the German immigrants that live here.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, I guess the two creatures kind of the legends kind of morphed together and formed like what we know in modern day as Dogman.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: As dogman.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's a bunch of sightings um that come from this area, and one of the sightings was back in 1944 in West Middletown.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: So um it was it was said that the earliest reports of the Guayo come from the settlement of the Middletown Valley, um, which is in Frederick County, Maryland.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um witnesses are heard, have heard it making frightful screams and alleged footprints were left behind.
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  SPEAKER_02: In 1965, a man under the alias of John Becker described his encounter with the Duelo to look at the papers.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I did read this.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is really interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: He gave a just detailed description of the creature.
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  SPEAKER_02: He went on to allege that the creature came towards him and stood on its hind legs and attacked him.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: He didn't fault the creature off until it ran into the woods.
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  SPEAKER_02: Becker described it as big as a bear, had long black hair, a bushy tail, and growled like a wolf or a dog.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: And then after that encounter, more serious stories followed in newspapers.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the summer of 66, the way it was sighted by a man, and they first referred to as Jim A on the outskirts of Ambrell State Park.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: He encountered it while hunting for a campsite, and he approached it and made a horrible spring that backed away from him.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: He described it as a dark brown, shaggy, two-legged animal about the size of a beer.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: It had an odd walk with its legs stuck out on the side of its body, making its movements appear more spider-like.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: So then it just goes on and on of all these like different encounters that happen um, you know, in that area.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: And all of this can be found when you search like the legend of the duo.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's called Legends of America, is the website that I got this from.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: And there's like a really cool like little picture, little sketch of what it's supposed to look like.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: I know I couldn't find like the original left.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot going on in that valley.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: There is.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: There is.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's where the Snellygaster.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and that was the other thing in their mortal enemies.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the Duo is reported to be the mortal enemy of the Snelly Gaster.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: What's going on?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: We did a fun little episode on the Snelly Gaster a while back.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we did an episode on the Snelly Gaster.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: So that it is it is the same area, Frederick.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Blue Ridge Mountain, the Maryland Blue Ridge Mountains.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on in that valley, man?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, frightful screams, footprints.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's in Frederick.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that Garble State Park is also in Frederick.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's all in the general same area.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: John Becker.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: So that's not that was see, I that's what I picked up.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was interesting.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not even it's not like an alien, it's not a real name.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean alien John Becker.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I um so when we get back to like the the Pennsylvania sort of tie-in.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: I actually uh really high highly recommend this book called Beyond the Seventh Gate.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's written by Timothy Renner.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: He actually heads up the um Strange Familiars podcast, so shout out to them.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they did great research, great work.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: I actually messaged him on Instagram and asked him if he had like that there was a I could see the tie-in because this this book is about um Toad Rogue, Seven Gates of Hell, and other stranges in New York, Lancaster, and Adams County.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: So he kind of sticks up to that like part of Pennsylvania.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I really would like to get him on the show because he's got yeah, we did sort of an episode about Hex Hollow, but we kind of bored ourselves, so we never actually like published it.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: So he wrote like a whole this whole book about it.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um but so anyway, he directed me to the duo.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we're definitely like on the right track.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: But he does have um, it's interesting because he then in his writing in chapter 15, he says, um, when the Germans immigrated to Pennsylvania, it seems they brought with them the werewolves of European legends.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: So there's kind of this like European werewolf tie-in, too.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's really kind of fascinating.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so he says, There are in fact so many werewolf tales in Pennsylvania, but we have a term for the ghost of a werewolf, the spook wolf.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, so we're gonna have to do a werewolf tie-in because this is just like so many dogs.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Spook wolf.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Spook wolf.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: I love the descriptions of what these people are seeing.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a tall creature standing on its hind leg, and it's hairy, but it looks like a cross between either a wolf or a dog.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I guess the man part comes from that, it stands on its back leg.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's also variations of like which way the legs are facing, which is really creepy.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: The last guy said it looked spider-like because the legs were on the sides of its body instead of situated like forwards, like a normal dog.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, I know.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: So this, yeah, what is this?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: This one says this is um in the fall of 1976, another sighting of a duo occurred in Frederick County near Thermont, uh, where two men were driving off of Route 77 onto a private road.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: They saw a large creature run across the road in front of their car.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: They described it as follows at least six feet tall, but inclined forward since it was moving quickly.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Its head was fairly large and similar to the profile of a wolf.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard that before too.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: The body was covered in brown or brindle-colored fur, but the lower half had a striped pattern of noticeable darker and lighter bandage.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: The forelegs were slimmer and held out in the front as it moved.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: The back legs were very muscular muscled and thick, similar to perhaps a kangaroo.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: This was not a humanoid type creature.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: It did not have the characteristics of an ape.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was much more similar to a wolf or ferocious dog.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: However, it was definitely moving upright and appeared to be adapted for that uh type of mobility.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: It was particularly impressed by the size and oh, I was particularly impressed by the size and strength of the back legs, the stripes on the lower half of the body, and the canine wolf-like head.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: So that, I mean, I don't know, that's that's definitely more werewolf almost.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's definitely a werewolf.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's a that's I mean, I get the picture in my head of like classic werewolf, like wearing jeans and ripped shirts.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: And a muscle bar.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because it was a 70s.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: 70s again.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is a 70s again.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: What are you guys doing?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the next photo 1978 before an agers born Cunningham Falls.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's pretty when they impart when they encounter the large hairy creature running on people.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then here's another like oh yeah, that's this is gets back into the hexan wolf.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's definitely, I mean, you can't you really don't get far into looking into the duo without running right into like werewolf lore.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: It yeah, it does.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: It comes from, I think that hexenwolf is the German version of a werewolf.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Of a werewolf.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what they brought here.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: So when they see whatever creature it is that inhabits this area, I mean I guess they automatically assume that's the hexen wolf.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows what it is?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Could be the same in both areas of the world.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, so this thing is seen everywhere.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever heard of The Beast of Bray Road?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's another one.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's the same, it's described the same way.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's a very, very interesting encounter.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, definitely, guys out there, check that out because yeah.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um There's a really great movie on Amazon.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's just been a breed love.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: I really enjoy his movies.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: That upset Breed.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's a really, really well researched, you know, thought out.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Great interviews.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: He has great interviews with all the people that live around him.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um because that was something if I now I can't remember that might be misremembering, but it was kind of tied to the family, wasn't it?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember that much.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't remember.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: I just remember that the beast itself is very similar to what we're talking about.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: The dog and the stuff.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the description.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of that.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um okay, so now I again I tried to get on our little Facebook, a little Facebook group in our neighborhood, and nobody was biting with the uh nobody was biting with the dog man stories, so I didn't get any like actual like local.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Don't we have local lore about a beef?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: Or like an animal or something in the cemetery?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, are you talking I'm sorry, you're talking about Saberwolf.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: Saberwolf.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you guys don't know about Saberwolf, uh, when we went to high school, people would always talk about that.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually where we go and hike.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because we hike in a place it's all connected.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's like all connected.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, that was definitely I grew we grew up with those stories of like Saber Wolf.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: But however, I think it was just kids being of course, yeah.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Kids.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: But it was fun.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was really fun.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I had yeah, I had like some, you know, one guy I know said that he was like chased through the entire and this this is a very rocky park.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of like imbricated rock uh going up and down the stream, and then there's like two, there's like a low trail and a high trail.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you can definitely get lost if you get in like within the woods, if you get off the trail.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: So before I knew it very well, I thought I knew it well.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I went back there with my kids and I got turned around.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't really know where I was.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: But now I've been back there so many times.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like I know it like the back of my hand now.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because we're used to it, yeah.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: When I was a little girl, my brother and I, we because we wanted to like jump on the rocks, and you know, that's just part of like childhood fun.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: But we like my mamma, poor mamma, uh, we scared the crap out of her.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like we just we went Down into the like, you know, the river and started hopping the rocks, and we were gone.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: You just kept going for like hours.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like she almost called the police.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then in our mind, we're just like, having the best day ever.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Best poor memory.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then we find her again and she's like slipping out.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that part, that park is fun because it's um it's right smack in the middle of Baltimore County where there shouldn't be that big of a swap.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: So there shouldn't be a park there.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: But it's protected and it's been there forever.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's a lot of like history and lore that go with that part.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that, yeah, this kid swore that he liked that and I don't know where it can.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, if we do a search, saber wolf.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny because I did do some, I did put something out on Parkfilm.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody said saber wolf.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, and it's somebody we know.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I was just like, oh.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if that's just our general made up.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think somebody made it up.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's you know what?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: It feels like that's one of those classic, like a senior telling the new group of kids like don't go to the woods, saber wolf, get you.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Although there's definitely like I could see that tie-in of it's next to a cemetery.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: The grim.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: The grim.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, hmm.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really know the grim.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: I only know the grim mostly because of very popular.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: But when I started doing a lot of research into dog man, um, the grim came up a couple of times.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: And that's more of an English uh bulk.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: At least from what I like looked at.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I know it from like obviously the Hound of the Basketball.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: And they they protect, they protect the cemeteries, correct?
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so actually, you know what?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Belief Hole, they did a really good covering of the Grim.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: They've done, like, I think a deep dive.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: But if I remember correctly, it's it is kind of um it's yeah, it's actually kind of that because I listened to their dogman episode and it's kind of sad because it's like almost like this spirit is protecting the grow like protecting the graveyard, like so that it it's it's like there's reverence and you know, people aren't like screwing around and you know, defiling it or whatever.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like a good spirit.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: But then they go into like the history of how, like, I don't know, there were some kind of like dogs, like they kind of like bury the dog a lot.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was like one of those things to like create the grip.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they they would purposely bury a dog on the property that would become the cemetery's grid.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: So that to me, I don't know.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes that it's so funny because you get into these really neat, like parallel kind of gray areas of like superstition, like actual, real, you know, yeah, we should have something.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure something is spiritually protecting the graveyard, but then it's like superstition and like sort of weirdness that like makes it oh, people just take it upon themselves to create this spirit, which is a little, I don't know, that's not very long.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's horrible.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, guys, come on, whatever, probably 12th century.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, but yeah, they did a really good story on that.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: But so yeah, I could see that like there's always that image of like dogs and like hellhounds, not so much hellhounds, but like haunted, haunted dog apparitions projecting and then disappearing.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: There are a lot of good stories from truckers too that see black dog apparitions on long drives.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's um kind of prevalent in the trucker community where um they will they'll see these, you know, they'll see these phantom dogs, and then they'll like C V radio one of their buddies down the road and be like, be on the lookout, phantom dog, and it's like a running joke, yeah.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, because they realize that it is supernatural to some extent.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: It could also just be a dog.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: So like you know, they're not I mean and they can't like just stop every time they see something freaky on the side of the road.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, they're grabbing a big rig.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: They have a schedule, they have a time restrict.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you know, who knows with our whole like little legend of the ghost dog.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: We're kind of making up the ghost dog of Saberwolf, but you found an actual like recorded story.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I want to hear this encounter.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this I am entitling The Dog Man in Essex.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: So this comes from uh Cryptids Canada podcast, episode 197.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: Dogman jumped over my car.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: From April 19th, 2021.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so witnesses were traveling in Baltimore, Maryland, suburb of Essex at night when a very large cryptid canine suddenly exited the woods and easily leaped over the hood of their moving vehicle.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: In 1981.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: The witness anonymous, then 24, was living in Baltimore, Maryland, in the community known as Northeastern Suburb, suburban community of Essex.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: Essex?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was between 1 and 2 a.m.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: and they were driving their Dodge Charger on a ramp leaving 702.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: This is Route 702, which then took them west onto Eastern Avenue, where there was a small section of woods on the right side of the ramp.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: On the back side of those woods, there was and still is a shopping center.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: I was about 30 yards down the ramp when this creature burst out of the tree line on my right.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: The witness recalled, thinking it was a dog and fearing they would run it over.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: The witness slammed on their brakes.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: As it was skidding, the creature was in a dead run forward, jumped and went over the hood and cleared it by at least a foot.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: It landed on the shoulder on their left and disappeared into the tall grass.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: As it was sailing over my hood, I was looking at the whole left side of it, and I thought it was coming through the windshield.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: This thing was huge.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: It looked as long as my car was wide.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: It was a real dark black.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: The witness noticed puffs of hair sticking up from the tops of each of its ears, and it was smiling.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: It says I saw a whole lot of teeth and a really long fang.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't notice if it had hands or falls, but its back was, but I could see what its back legs were like were like, and I couldn't take my eyes off of its face and that smile.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: It was haunting.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: It smiled at him.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: He said he felt like he was looking at pure evil.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: And the witness noted that it wasn't a regular dog.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: In the years following the sighting, he had seen pictures of the dog man cryptid, and it matches exactly what he saw.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: With the very muscular hind legs bent, like in the way a dog's legs bent if you were to stand it up.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, guys, there are werewolves and ethics.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: Werewolves in ethics.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny because I know this area so well.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like you take 702.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: I know exactly where that is.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Towards Eastern Avenue.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're gonna go to Pizza Don's or the Frickstore.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, wait, hold on.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: We need to go back in time because we've got this is like we've got classic werewolf dodge charger.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Dodge charger.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: So this incident happened in 1981, but nobody recorded it until like 2021.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's nowhere to record stuff.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: Where was that recorded?
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: This is from Cryptids Canada Podcast.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's the source material.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: Cryptids Canada.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: It was very hard to find this.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: This is like way, way hidden.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, look, guys.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: We're here.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're here for you.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to go to Canada.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to talk to Canada.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I thought it was funny.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can come right here.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: We will hear your stories.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because so when you said Crypto Canada, I was like, and then Essex.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, are she talking about like Essex?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's just somebody from Essex.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is amazing.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like I had to read it to make sure.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because I was like, why is this coming from Canada?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: And it even says the episode 197.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: So that's something you've been looking for.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, well maybe I'll link that in the show.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's really funny?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: My friend Marianne from um from church.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was telling her, she wanted she asked for like the link to the show.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like telling her about some of the like episodes.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember which one we were talking about.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: But she's like, I wonder if there's like anything weird.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: She was in Dundalk.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: She's not far from Essex.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're connected.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, Is there anything in Duncal?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I don't know, you live there.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Let me know.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: So Essex is uh it's a cool community, it's on the water, and there are a lot of forested areas like leading to the beaches and stuff all around there.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a really interesting area.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's always a rainbow message.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe a werewolf.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, good.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: I have a lot of that.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: That surprised me.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Me too.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Good research.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: I had to really, really find that one.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, okay, and then you had another one, right?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have another one.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: This one is, I think, more terrifying.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: So this story comes from Harford County, Maryland.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: And this was submitted to the Reddit page, uh, R slash dogman.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: The author is A.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: Kimbo Ruff.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Spelled exactly the way I said it.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: It was posted two years ago.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: Now I don't love Reddit.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, yeah, you know, it's not one of my favorites, but when you a lot of times when you search things, the search engine uh engine automatically pulls up stories from you.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes you find some really good one.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: Because I like this one.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this man says on October 18th, uh 2021, it was midday, and he took his seven and two and a half-year-old sons to a state park that was only about a mile and a half away from the town.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: This park is Rock State Park, and it's also considered the hidden valley area within Rock State Park.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the park is small.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: He says six people would be a crowd.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a pretty small little area that he hiked through.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's about a half-mile trail that goes, um, follows a creek and ends at a beachhead that's about 20 feet long.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, him and his sons are very familiar with this park.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said, it's only a mile and a half from his home.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: So they go there often and they hike.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: The kids are comfortable, they were messing around, throwing racks in the water.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he bent down to puff his pant leg and he heard a blood-curdling scream coming from his oldest son, his seven-year-old.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: So he looks up at him, and his son is screaming, falling backwards, kicking his legs, and he's just staring across the street the creek.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: So the father looks across the creek, and what he sees perched on a large flat rock is an animal that he could not understand.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: It says, he says, there it was no more than 20 to 25 feet away, and its dimensions seem so large it looked as if it could leap the creek in one stride.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: A barrel chest with clear-defined pectoral muscles, shoulders, and biceps, no different than a man, just a lot larger.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: Bulging eyes and a stubby snout like a hyena.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: It looked as if it was in like a sprinter's starting position, not an animal on all fours.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: Its thighs and hind end were noticeably large.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: The mass of this animal was unnatural.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: The ears face forward with hair tufts on the side and top of its head, just like the other toy.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: The face was looking as if it was on high alert.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: And he compares it to like the way your dog looks at you when you have a toy and you're getting ready to throw it, and he's like, Where are you gonna throw the toy?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: Where are you gonna throw the toy?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: So this um creature is looking between him and his son in that like high alert manner in a starting running position.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like he's getting ready to pounce on one or the other.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm getting chilled.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: I know, right?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a really scary story.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um so the father, of course, takes his kids and he starts running down the trail as fast as he can to get away from this thing.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: And he actually tells his seven-year-old at one point, like, you may have to take your brother and just go.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Because he's considering fighting this thing to save his kids.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's like how dire the situation is.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so they start running, and the seven-year-old is completely in a dais.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: He's running, but he's also crying, and he he stops every once in a while and turns around in like a dazed, confused manner, and the dad keeps yelling at him to run, run, run, stop, stopping, keep running, stop running.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: And um that happened like three times.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: And he said the shock and the fear that a seven-year-old was feeling just made him so confused that it it like it.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, it affected him to this day.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: So, um, but back to the story, the animal did not follow them down the trail, obviously, because he was alive to tell the story.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but he said the thoughts going through his head at the time were he's like he says, it was the only time in my life where I knew I could not protect my children.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: My goodness.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: The buck knife on my hip was no better than a pillow.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: And even though there was no mistaking what I witnessed, trying to explain this to anyone is pointless.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: He goes on to say, I cannot understand why my mind is forcing itself to debunk what I saw.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: This man is obviously freaked out by what he saw.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: And is like reaching out to a community to try to like give him some kind of closure.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, this is from 2020.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: This is 21.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Can you?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if we can quite find him.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: So he goes on to say, um, it's a small part.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um wait a minute, he says, My oldest, the son that was freaking out when he was running, he says, My oldest is afraid to go out in our yard in the dark.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and the little one, the youngest one, was only two or two and a half.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: He has no clue.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: He thought the whole thing was fun.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: He was laughing, he thought they were like chasing his brother.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: But um, his oldest doesn't even like turning towards the right out of their driveway in the direction of the park because he knows that where that's where it lives.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: And um, apart from all of that, the fleeting fear, uh he says, apart from all of that, it's just fleeting fear and temporary junk scares for him.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: So he's like dealing with it.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a lot of people that like actually reply to this man's story.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like a pretty good community on Reddit, actually.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: And they all reply to him, and there's like a certain um woman that reaches out and says, like, please make sure you have your child like psychologically evaluated to make sure that you doesn't have a PCSP.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: And right.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a big, big thing.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: I and so I guess we have to kind of like put that in sort of the same category of like, I mean, like if you were chased by a bear, or you know, if you had one of those sort of like really wild outdoor encounters that you yeah, you could easily become just like freaked out and traumatized, yeah, especially a small child.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's freaking.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: It was terrifying.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Poor dad.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that was such a terrifying story when I can you imagine that.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, also I like good job for being a strong man that's gonna turn around and be like, go take your brother run.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was getting ready to fight things.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna fight this werewolf.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he was this is what it's come down to.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: Scooped up his little son and ran.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: But if it came down to it, he would have sacrificed himself to save a baby.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's all good.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna shake his hand.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: So he can be found.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: His name, I said it in the beginning, it was Akimbo Rock.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: Akim I A K I M B O Rock.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, good for you, sir.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: On Reddit.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: On Reddit.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Reddit did something good.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's just so terrifying.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: So when I read this story, one of the replies was telling him to go to the North American Dogman Project to report his encounter.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that's a national database where people can import report their um encounters with Dogman.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, it's funny because um I reached out to um, so there's a really cool guy on Instagram, so Drewski, who does the Cryptid Warfare podcast.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I reached out to him when we were gonna do like setting out to do this and asked him if he um if he just knew any like kind of like Maryland dogman stories.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he pointed me to North American Dogman Project too.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: So um again, we we can't stress this enough, you know, and I'm gonna link this too, um, because it's so important, I think, to just kind of we have all these big databases that like pull you know people can like pull from.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's just so important to just put things on record because somebody else might have that experience.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, just kind of like to tie it back.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's like a really lame, but like Sabre Wolf.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if anybody else had that experience that that guy had or heard about it, but if I can Google it and it can pull up, you know, yeah, all that metadata and all that sort of, you know, all of those uh algorithms out there really help because then people can kind of put another puzzle piece to their story.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but if what if this guy couldn't, you know, what if that wasn't there?
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's having a very hard time with it.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean in the very beginning, I didn't really read everything he wrote because he goes on to say in the beginning of the story that while typing his story, he felt like it was pointless because he's tried to post this three different times, convincing himself that um, you know, this is dumb and nobody would believe it.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he just goes on, he goes um pretty much in depth, like very much in depth, um, with how much this is really affecting him.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I guess he's trying to debunk what he has seen, but it's impossible because yeah, it happens.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and that's experiential evidence.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: And his sons have like out well, his older son has you know this this fear now.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you can usually tell when people are telling stories or writing out their stories, um, if they're using a lot of like flowery, flowery like language, you know, it can if it gets like a little kind of romanticized, you can tell that they're kind of spinning a yarn.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: But this is, I mean, I got chills from that.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like my whole like mom, you know, mama bear just came.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh my gosh, then what would I?
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was then like, what would I do?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, you know.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: I would, I would, I would run like that too.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, my son would probably be like, Mom, go, I've got this.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like he would try to fight the werewolf, whatever.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if we get down to you know, all that like kind of emotionality aside, I hate to say that, but if you think about the description, I mean that goes right back to werewolf.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that the hyena like snouts.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's the first time I've heard that.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: And that it's heightened, that it was like that's a good way of thinking of it.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're you know, your dog is ready to like, you know, like a yeah, and I liked how he said it it wasn't on all fours like a normal dog stance, it was on hind legs in the moment that it, you know, that it looks like you're getting ready to sprint.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like a human is getting ready to sprint.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: Dogs don't do that.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, dogs don't do that.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I think we um that's a good one.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's gonna do it for our little covering of Dogman.
• 42:48
  unknown: Yeah.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't even get into the tie-in of Cry.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm tired of talking about like bridges in Pri Baby Bridge and all the there's so many bridge connections.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like we went through that.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Go listen to Goatman from last week because we went through that, like, I think at an audience.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: But there's still there's another tie-in.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: With the bridges, so like dogman thing and all of the bridges.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh so maybe they're seeing Goatman.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just and I think it's dog.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: And we didn't even get into the Snell, I don't know, the Snellingaster Dogman thing that's like they're fighting.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's just that's just hokey.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's just it is it's kind of like uh well not what is it?
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm thinking about like Mothra and Godzilla.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's it, Godzilla.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like my brain wasn't working.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: King Kong.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: They're all fighting, right?
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I wonder, yeah, that's like, I don't know.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: But it's funny.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: It is funny, and it's a little like Maryland lore, which is kind of fun.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: We had fun putting it in Chat GPT.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: I would like to see like a good comic book strip all about you know the Snally Gaster and the dog man fighting each other for territory and Frederick for the Middletown Valley.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: What happened there?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody shed some blood.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I swear it's gotta be something Native American.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: All this stuff just reminds me of Native Americans before.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: Snally gaster reminds me of you know the Thunderbird.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Are we all seeing the same?
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Is it all the same like old gods entities?
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's nothing new under the sun.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: So is it just like this recycled sort of spirit that they've been here forever?
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: And we're just trying to figure out forest there's old stuff in the forest.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: These are all our mountains, our apple.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Our appalachian mountains.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, yeah.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: So now I'm going to like high places, valleys, and like uh all right, next week, Gypsy Curtis.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: I went, yay! I went I went down such a uh I keep saying I keep saying bunny trail.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: And every time I say it, Rob's like it's rabbit.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's rabbit hole.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, that sounds so much better.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: I understand.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're stuck in the hole.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: The belief hole.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: The belief we like you guys.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Hi.
• 45:16
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• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: We love us thank you a lot.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you guys.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, all right, now we're we're just we're dawdling down the trail.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we're stuck again.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, so if you enjoy this content, again, I'm so excited about this whole just community.
• 45:32
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• 45:33
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• 45:38
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• 45:40
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• 45:41
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• 45:44
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• 45:46
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• 45:52
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• 45:54
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• 45:56
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• 45:56
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• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: Together we'll continue to seek the truth, to unravel the mysteries that lie just beyond our grasp.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, as you bid farewell to this episode, remember, you are not alone.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: The wilderness is alive with secrets, waiting to be discovered by those brave enough to venture forth.
• 46:32
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• 46:33
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• 46:37
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