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Modern Basketball Player Development · A Quick Timeout

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SPEAKER_00: This is a quick timeout podcast for basketball coaches.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Coach Tony Miller,
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and today excited to have on associate head coach for the
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Coastal Carolina,
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SPEAKER_00: Shanticleers,
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SPEAKER_00: Coach Ryan Lightfoot.
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SPEAKER_00: Coach, thanks for coming on the show.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach, thanks for having me, man.
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SPEAKER_01: Appreciate you allowing me the space to get on.
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SPEAKER_00: Excited for this.
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SPEAKER_00: Coach and I were talking about some connections we have beforehand,
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but I've actually known Coach from afar or observed him from
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afar for a while here
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SPEAKER_00: and has been at the D1 level for a time now.
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SPEAKER_00: He's also been at NAIA, been a head coach at the NAIA level.
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He is currently the defensive coordinator,
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helped with the defensive side of things and also
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SPEAKER_00: has done a great job with player development.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're going to talk about both of those today.
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SPEAKER_00: To start out with,
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SPEAKER_00: Coach,
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can you explain how things work and the philosophy of player
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development there for
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SPEAKER_00: you all at Coastal Carolina?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're really big on player development.
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SPEAKER_01: I think there's a lot of reasons you can do that and dive into why player
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SPEAKER_01: development is really important.
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But most important for us is we think it's a way to really
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invest in our guys.
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We have a mission statement that we have here at Coastal
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Carolina,
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and that's to have –
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Real impact,
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lifelong relationships while building faith in each individual.
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And when you think about those three things,
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we think about a real impact.
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SPEAKER_01: That's time spent with the guys.
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SPEAKER_01: And the best way to do that is to get on the floor,
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SPEAKER_01: help them get better,
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SPEAKER_01: impact their game whatever way they can.
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SPEAKER_01: That's something that resonates with them.
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SPEAKER_01: And then you look at the lifelong relationships.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a way of bonding.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a way of spending time.
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SPEAKER_01: Again,
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SPEAKER_01: guys aren't great about talking about their feelings,
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SPEAKER_01: but you get them in the gym and all of a sudden they start to open up.
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And that's something that we feel like is a great part of our
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program to carry out
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SPEAKER_01: our mission statement.
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SPEAKER_01: And we don't hide behind it.
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SPEAKER_01: We run a faith based program,
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SPEAKER_01: even though we're at a state school,
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SPEAKER_01: it's something that we care a lot about.
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And they knew that when they hired us and we carry that out
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with our players.
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SPEAKER_01: So they're going to get a faith experience.
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SPEAKER_01: But faith also encompasses a side of confidence.
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And so when you think about confidence and what that looks like
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to have faith in
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SPEAKER_01: your game,
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SPEAKER_01: you can't see it.
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SPEAKER_01: You can't touch it.
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SPEAKER_01: But you know that it's there.
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And that's the same way that we try to treat our players when
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we talk about developing them.
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SPEAKER_01: hey,
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SPEAKER_01: you may not be there yet,
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but we're going to get you there and give you the confidence to
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perform at the
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SPEAKER_01: highest level.
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So player development is just a small section of our overall
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mission statement of
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SPEAKER_01: what we're trying to carry out in our program.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about the basketball side in just a moment,
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SPEAKER_00: but that faith aspect,
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SPEAKER_00: how do you practically go about doing that?
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SPEAKER_01: We pray before every meal.
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SPEAKER_01: We pray before every practice.
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SPEAKER_01: We try to really impact these guys' heart more than anything else.
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SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of times you can get caught up on winning and losing games,
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SPEAKER_01: and yes,
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SPEAKER_01: that's important.
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SPEAKER_01: That goes on our record.
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SPEAKER_01: We can get fired for losing games.
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SPEAKER_01: We get that.
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SPEAKER_01: But the ultimate impact for us is truly trying to impact their heart.
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We believe if they can feel something different that another
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coach can do.
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I was reading something the other day and it said the moment
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players stop showing
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SPEAKER_01: up at our doorstep,
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SPEAKER_01: is a day that we're just another basketball coach.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's just the truth.
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SPEAKER_01: Like we don't wanna be just another basketball coach.
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SPEAKER_01: We wanna do something far greater and that's impact their lives.
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And so truly understanding what that means and how that lives
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out in a practical aspect.
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When they come in here to watch film,
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we don't just talk about X's and O's.
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SPEAKER_01: We say, hey man, how you doing?
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SPEAKER_01: How's your mom doing?
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SPEAKER_01: How's family been?
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SPEAKER_01: Is your brother coming to town?
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SPEAKER_01: What are you going to do on break?
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SPEAKER_01: We really try to engage them with just seems like normal conversation,
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SPEAKER_01: not a bait and switch,
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SPEAKER_01: not,
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SPEAKER_01: hey,
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SPEAKER_01: come watch film.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about life.
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SPEAKER_01: But they truly expect us to talk about those things.
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SPEAKER_01: So they truly care about what's going on.
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SPEAKER_01: We have a group of guys that go to church every Sunday.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll just send a text out.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, it's optional.
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SPEAKER_01: You're more than welcome to come.
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SPEAKER_01: We have seven, eight guys that come pretty much every Sunday.
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SPEAKER_01: They'll go.
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I don't know if they come for the free meal afterwards or if
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they come for the
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SPEAKER_01: experience there,
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SPEAKER_01: but either way,
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SPEAKER_01: they're getting fed.
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SPEAKER_00: That's great.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: So for those who haven't seen you all play,
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SPEAKER_00: can you talk about your offensive and defensive systems?
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SPEAKER_00: And then we'll relate that back to the player development portion.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we believe that every team should have a strategic bet.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you think about who we are and what we're all about,
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the team identity and the strategic bet that we have is we're
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built on culture and
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SPEAKER_01: we're built on defense.
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SPEAKER_01: And so when you see us play within the first five minutes,
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SPEAKER_01: you should see a team that that competes like we're going to be extremely
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SPEAKER_01: competitive.
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We're going to be relentless with our effort and we're going to
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have the power of the unit.
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SPEAKER_01: Those three things are going to show in everything that we do.
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A team that competes,
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a team that does it relentlessly,
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not just when they feel good.
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to do it through all the adversity,
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SPEAKER_01: the ups and downs when they're getting calls,
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SPEAKER_01: when they're not getting calls and they're going to do it together.
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And so when you start seeing those things form,
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like that's a strategic bet.
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So when one guy hits the floor,
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you'll see our whole team sprint over and help them up.
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SPEAKER_01: When you come to a practice, we don't cuss in practice.
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SPEAKER_01: Our shirt tails are tucked in.
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SPEAKER_01: We touch every line.
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SPEAKER_01: We sprint everywhere we go.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you're going to see those things that are a little bit more unique,
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SPEAKER_01: but it's a part of our culture.
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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our AD here has younger kids and like we want to create a space
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where he can feel
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SPEAKER_01: comfortable walking into our gym,
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SPEAKER_01: knowing that his kids are just going to watch a wholesome practice.
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SPEAKER_01: He's going to watch guys work extremely hard, play together and compete.
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for one another,
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not just a position of saying,
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I'm going to get this thing done by myself.
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And so when you see those things,
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obviously that's not philosophically,
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but that's who we are.
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SPEAKER_01: You're going to see those things in what we do.
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SPEAKER_01: Defensively, we talked about the three Cs.
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We're going to be connected,
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we're going to be committed,
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and we're going to be consistent.
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SPEAKER_01: Those three things you should see no matter what.
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SPEAKER_01: Connected should be –
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SPEAKER_01: The guys are going to know the game plan.
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to know the scheme.
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to know the positioning.
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to know the right phrases to say in order to get connected.
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SPEAKER_01: It's going to happen through great communication.
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to be committed.
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They understand what our game plan is and what we're trying to
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give up and what
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SPEAKER_01: we're trying to take away.
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SPEAKER_01: And our guys are going to buy into that.
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SPEAKER_01: And then consistent.
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We're going to do the exact same thing over and over and over
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again and just get
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SPEAKER_01: really good at doing the basics well.
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SPEAKER_01: And so offensively, how we play, we give our guys a lot of freedom.
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SPEAKER_01: We let them play in space.
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We really want to try to create angles and opportunities for
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players to make plays.
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The best advantage that we believe we can get in an offensive
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situation is getting
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SPEAKER_01: a defensive rebound.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we can play fast and play free in transition.
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SPEAKER_01: The best way to do that is to get great stops.
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SPEAKER_01: So a lot of people say, I want to play for an offensive minded coach.
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SPEAKER_01: And trust me, like I didn't want to play defense when I played.
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SPEAKER_01: I sure as heck, they said those who don't do teach.
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SPEAKER_01: And so that's why I'm teaching defense,
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because the best way to score on offense is to get out and
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transition off the
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SPEAKER_01: defensive stop.
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SPEAKER_01: And so for us, we're really committed to that.
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SPEAKER_01: Our guys preach that.
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So we really want to try to turn defensive stops into offensive
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opportunities for us.
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SPEAKER_00: All right,
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SPEAKER_00: so when you have those as the targets,
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how do you balance the development of the individual player
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skills with the
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SPEAKER_00: development of the team as a cohesive unit?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a great question, Tony.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that for us, and I think it happens in twofold.
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One is everybody says they want players that can dribble,
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pass,
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and shoot.
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You hear that all the time,
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but it's also educating them to know when to do each one.
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It's not just,
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hey,
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we got to have guys that can dribble,
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pass and shoot.
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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you don't want a guy passing when we should be shooting and
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dribbling when he
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SPEAKER_01: should be passing.
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SPEAKER_01: All those things go hand in hand.
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SPEAKER_01: So for us to understand,
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SPEAKER_01: like we want to develop those skills,
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SPEAKER_01: especially in the offseason,
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SPEAKER_01: like our spring workouts and our summer workouts,
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SPEAKER_01: a lot are based upon how do we get you better as a player?
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we'll say it all the time like everybody's got a slogan my
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favorite is papa john's
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like better ingredients better pizza for us that's the truth
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like the better we can
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make each individual player the better we're going to be as a
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team and so we really
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want to try to focus in on what can we do in the five weeks in
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the in the spring
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and then the eight weeks in the summer helping our guys develop
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their games all
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SPEAKER_01: with none saying this is about making the team better not just you better
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it's about making the team better so we really try to focus on
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those phases of
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player development to get our guys in the right mind space to
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say yes i'm working
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on my game but i'm also working on my game in order to help our
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team win we believe
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that there's this this fine line between having a mission and
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having an agenda when
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we get players especially with the transfer portal right now we
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believe everybody
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SPEAKER_01: comes here with an agenda
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SPEAKER_01: I want to play more.
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SPEAKER_01: I want to get more money.
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SPEAKER_01: I want to get more opportunity.
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SPEAKER_01: I want to get more shots, whatever that may be.
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SPEAKER_01: That's an agenda.
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SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
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But our calling as coaches is to try to get those guys on the
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same mission.
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SPEAKER_01: Our mission and agenda,
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SPEAKER_01: although very similar,
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SPEAKER_01: look very different in the mindset of what a player is.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So with the current state of basketball,
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SPEAKER_00: the way that it is,
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SPEAKER_00: how do you go about building for the short term while also hopefully,
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SPEAKER_00: but maybe not as frequently building?
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SPEAKER_00: having the long term?
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SPEAKER_00: Because those kids,
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SPEAKER_00: the reality is,
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SPEAKER_00: especially at a school like yours,
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you guys do a great job of developing those guys and you're
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preparing them to go to
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SPEAKER_00: P4 the next year.
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SPEAKER_00: So how do you balance the two of those things?
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SPEAKER_01: The long term investment may be the new short term.
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SPEAKER_01: So you look at saying, hey, we're going to have a long term investment.
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SPEAKER_01: The long term investment may be nine months.
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SPEAKER_01: maybe 10 months.
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SPEAKER_01: That may be the long term.
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SPEAKER_01: Anything you get over that is a bonus.
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We got a player,
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Rasheed Jones,
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on our team right now that we've coached for three years.
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SPEAKER_01: That's wild.
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SPEAKER_01: That doesn't happen very often anymore.
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Have an opportunity to coach him another year,
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which has been awesome for us.
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SPEAKER_01: We feel like
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hey,
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we've exceeded our time with him that maybe we aren't
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necessarily always going to get.
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SPEAKER_01: And so if you think about developing a player,
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you still got to have those phases in mind because we believe
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if a player feels
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SPEAKER_01: like he's getting better in your system,
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SPEAKER_01: it's going to be hard for them to leave.
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SPEAKER_01: And the reality is,
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SPEAKER_01: Tony,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be honest,
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SPEAKER_01: if that guy can leave and go to a power five,
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SPEAKER_01: it means he probably had a pretty good year for you.
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SPEAKER_01: And so if we can help them have a good year for themselves,
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SPEAKER_01: have a good year for us,
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SPEAKER_01: and they can succeed from that,
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SPEAKER_01: great.
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SPEAKER_01: We feel like everybody wins.
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But we truly want to make sure that the heartbeat of who we are
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as a program
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SPEAKER_01: doesn't get lost in translation.
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Like if you're still going to have a real impact and you're
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going to have a
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SPEAKER_01: lifelong relationship and you're going to instill faith in those,
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SPEAKER_01: you still got to have a long-term vision in mind,
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even though it may be a 10-month relationship that you have
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with them in the
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SPEAKER_01: immediate.
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SPEAKER_00: So with the style of offense that you all run,
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SPEAKER_00: a lot of it,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming you describe it as being kind of read based,
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SPEAKER_00: a lot of decision making.
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How do you teach the individual skills while also developing
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the decision making
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SPEAKER_00: skills that are needed to execute all of that?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, great question.
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I think one of the things we really try to do is incorporate a
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lot of film.
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SPEAKER_01: We think film is something that's been lost quite a bit.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of people are going out there,
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SPEAKER_01: working on their game,
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SPEAKER_01: playing against the cone,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe playing some one-on-one for fun,
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SPEAKER_01: but truly understanding the game at an elite level has been lost.
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And so when they're watching practices or they're watching film
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with a coach or
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SPEAKER_01: they're watching a game,
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SPEAKER_01: are they watching the reads that are out there more than just saying,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm watching for entertainment-based?
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SPEAKER_01: We don't want them to watch for entertainment.
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We want to watch for true knowledge in order to apply to their
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games that's out there.
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SPEAKER_01: So we really try to like sit down and invest with them and show them,
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SPEAKER_01: hey,
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SPEAKER_01: this is the right read in the right situation.
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SPEAKER_01: And do you know why?
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if they can understand the why behind why they're doing the
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drills that they're
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doing and understanding the things that we're putting through
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on the court,
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like that translation is just so much easier for them to put on
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the court.
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SPEAKER_01: Cause everybody's got great drills, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Like everybody can say, man, you could come work on our players tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_01: And they'd be like, man, this is great.
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SPEAKER_01: We can do the same thing with a local high school coach or whoever.
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Basketball coaches are great basketball coaches and they're all
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across the country
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SPEAKER_01: and they're all different levels.
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The reality is like,
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can they apply what we're trying to teach them into the things
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that we do?
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And we believe the best way to do that is to sit there and
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teach them how to do
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SPEAKER_01: those things through film,
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SPEAKER_01: through practice,
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SPEAKER_01: through breakdowns,
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SPEAKER_01: but more importantly,
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trying to teach them how to make the right reads in the right
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situations when
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SPEAKER_01: they're watching film on their own.
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How have you found the film sessions to be best utilized in
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regards to length,
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SPEAKER_00: how you set them up,
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SPEAKER_00: how many people you have in them,
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SPEAKER_00: anything like that tip-wise that you would give to coaches?
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SPEAKER_01: I think defensively and offensively are a little bit different.
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So defensively,
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like we love watching film corporately because it's all
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connected,
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right?
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SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of different reads that happen in what we do,
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SPEAKER_01: when to rotate,
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SPEAKER_01: when not to rotate,
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SPEAKER_01: what our calls are,
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SPEAKER_01: what our positioning is.
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SPEAKER_01: And so you can learn from everybody.
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So a lot of times when we do film sessions on the defensive
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side of the floor,
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SPEAKER_01: we're watching in groups of two or three,
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SPEAKER_01: and they can kind of teach each other.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's a guard and a big in the same room.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's all the bigs together.
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SPEAKER_01: In the summer,
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SPEAKER_01: one of the things that I do personally,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't clip up individual clips in the summer versus the season.
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SPEAKER_01: Every once in a while,
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SPEAKER_01: hey,
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these are clips for these two guys or these five guys that
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really need to watch
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SPEAKER_01: these areas.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of times, hey, here's our 34 clips from practice.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's go ahead and walk through them.
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And you talk me through what you see and what we could have
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done better or what we
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SPEAKER_01: do really well.
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SPEAKER_01: And so just trying to get them to think the game at a higher level.
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SPEAKER_01: So defensively, we do that all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: It's something that if we can,
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SPEAKER_01: Like, and someone hits me and said, hey, can we watch film tomorrow?
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SPEAKER_01: I'll say, bring a friend.
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SPEAKER_01: One,
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SPEAKER_01: it creates leadership with them,
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but also it's just easier to watch and have them kind of bounce
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ideas off each
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SPEAKER_01: other.
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SPEAKER_01: And now when they're in the huddles in a game,
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they're starting to correct each other because we can't call 60
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timeouts in a game.
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SPEAKER_01: We can't have all the huddles we have in a practice or a meeting space.
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Like they've got to figure it out in real time and make sure
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they're saying the right things.
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SPEAKER_01: Offensively,
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SPEAKER_01: as you're watching,
14:04
SPEAKER_01: a lot of times what we're saying is,
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SPEAKER_01: hey,
14:06
SPEAKER_01: is this the right read?
14:07
SPEAKER_01: Is this the right space?
14:08
SPEAKER_01: Is this what you see?
14:09
SPEAKER_01: You can do that in the midst of a defensive meeting,
14:13
SPEAKER_01: but a lot of things that we're trying to get our guys to understand,
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SPEAKER_01: especially right now,
14:17
is the pace that we want to play at and the reads that happen
14:20
within that.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of times people want to play at their own pace.
14:23
We've got to get them executing at our pace and doing that to
14:26
our standards.
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SPEAKER_00: Could you walk me through an individual or small group player workout,
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SPEAKER_00: how long it is,
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maybe even some go-tos as far as drills or games that you guys
14:41
play that are unique
14:42
SPEAKER_00: to what,
14:43
SPEAKER_00: again,
14:43
SPEAKER_00: what you're doing bigger picture-wise?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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I can talk you through a little bit more of what our spring
14:48
workouts look like,
14:49
because I think our spring workouts are a little bit more based
14:51
upon true,
14:52
SPEAKER_01: true player development.
14:54
And it's just trying to make our guys understand dribble,
14:57
pass,
14:57
and shoot,
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those three things.
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SPEAKER_01: We love to keep workouts anywhere between 45 minutes to 50 minutes.
15:03
SPEAKER_01: We don't like going above 50.
15:05
One is because you are in rule constrictions in the NCAA that
15:09
you can't go above
15:09
SPEAKER_01: your four hours.
15:10
SPEAKER_01: So you still want to leave some time to watch film.
15:13
That gives you four workouts a week with 10 minutes of film
15:17
each day that you can
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SPEAKER_01: kind of slide in there to stay within your required time.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: But we want them super competitive.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: So we always start off with a type of ball handling drill,
15:26
SPEAKER_01: a passing drill to get our guys moving.
15:28
A lot of times,
15:29
you know,
15:29
they stretch,
15:30
they do their little quick warmup.
15:32
and then we try to get them moving we have some drills we call
15:35
nike passing where
15:36
they're just kind of doing quick touch part partner passing
15:39
they're talking they're
15:40
being vocal everything's timed everything's for a number it's
15:44
30 seconds 40 passes
15:46
it's 30 seconds 45 passes they've got to get in with their
15:49
partner so a lot of
15:50
those things are competitive we want to give a guy a target and
15:53
a standard to hit
15:54
in everything we do so they're not only competing with a
15:57
teammate they're also
15:58
SPEAKER_01: competing with themselves
16:00
SPEAKER_01: And then we did a lot of shooting drills that are,
16:02
SPEAKER_01: again,
16:03
SPEAKER_01: are all timed,
16:04
SPEAKER_01: that are all numbered,
16:06
SPEAKER_01: whether that's two in a row from five spots,
16:09
SPEAKER_01: you got two minutes to do it.
16:10
SPEAKER_01: And if you don't do it,
16:11
SPEAKER_01: you're doing pushups like three in a row from seven spots,
16:14
SPEAKER_01: 100-point shooting,
16:16
SPEAKER_01: 37-point shooting.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: We got drills on drills on drills.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: And anybody who wants these drills, feel free to reach out.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: My email, we can get it at the end.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: Coach,
16:24
SPEAKER_01: if you don't mind sending it out,
16:26
SPEAKER_01: my email,
16:26
SPEAKER_01: cell phone,
16:27
SPEAKER_01: anybody can get in contact with me.
16:29
at any time that they want to get those or if they're in town
16:31
to come watch a
16:32
practice they can but we really want our guys to encompass the
16:36
idea of competition
16:38
and standards and so whatever that standard is and a lot of
16:41
times we move the goal
16:42
post on these guys they may come in and work week one and you
16:45
got to get it in two
16:46
minutes and now you got to get it a minute 45 and next week you
16:48
got to get it a
16:49
SPEAKER_01: minute 30.
16:50
like we continue to move the goal posts on them so they can
16:53
feel like man i got to
16:54
SPEAKER_01: keep getting better in order to do that what we saw was
16:57
SPEAKER_01: If I was trying to get 120 points,
17:00
you were on the other side of it trying to get 124 because you
17:04
wanted bragging
17:04
SPEAKER_01: rights.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: And then we do those things where sometimes there's individual pushups,
17:08
SPEAKER_01: sometimes they're trying to get numbers as a team,
17:11
but really trying to make them competitive and really trying to
17:14
create standards
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SPEAKER_00: All right, I'm going to change gears here just in the last few minutes.
18:09
I want to talk about the defensive side of things and your
18:12
responsibility on the web page.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: It's listed associate head coach and then defensive coordinator.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: It was funny, whatever it was, a year ago or two years ago.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember.
18:23
One of the major news sources posted something about Matt
18:26
Painter doing offensive
18:27
SPEAKER_00: coordinator,
18:28
SPEAKER_00: defensive coordinator.
18:29
I thought,
18:29
well,
18:30
that's not super revolutionary,
18:31
but it was revolutionary to people.
18:33
SPEAKER_00: Apparently, they had never heard of such a thing.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: I think it's been around longer than people think that it has,
18:38
but it means different things to different programs and
18:41
different coaches.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: How have you guys gone about this?
18:43
splitting those responsibilities what does that look like and
18:47
what has been the
18:48
advantage for the program by having those responsibilities
18:52
split yeah great
18:54
question and i think what's unique is like there's so many
18:57
different ways to win a
18:58
game right what you guys do at bob jones and what we do at
19:02
coastal carolina and
19:03
what they do at duke like it could be totally different things
19:05
but it's what you
19:06
SPEAKER_01: believe in that what really matters and so
19:09
for us you know one of the things that it really allows a coach
19:12
to truly focus in
19:13
on an area in order to impact winning whatever that looks like
19:17
and i think coach
19:17
gray has done a great job of trying to create roles for each
19:20
individual coach that
19:21
we have on staff and allow those things to just be tunnel
19:24
vision for them to
19:26
SPEAKER_01: continue to focus in on their strengths and so
19:28
a lot of things that we do because of that because you have an
19:31
offensive and
19:31
defensive guy we don't have just your scout and my scout a lot
19:36
of times it's like
19:36
okay i got my scout and you just focus in on those maybe 12
19:39
games that you're doing
19:40
as an assistant coach like you're involved in every single
19:43
scout so if you watch a
19:44
game on us you should see right our core values show up in in
19:49
our players but you
19:50
SPEAKER_01: should see a lot of collaboration on the bench
19:53
SPEAKER_01: Because when we huddle up as a staff and there's a timeout,
19:56
we all have something to say because we've all been involved on
19:59
the front end.
20:00
If you're doing offense and I'm doing defense and someone else
20:03
is doing personnel,
20:04
like we all have a way of saying we've touched this team and
20:10
have a way to truly
20:11
SPEAKER_01: provide input in order for us to make adjustments.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: And so we really try to collaborate in that way.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: Walk in with no ego.
20:20
SPEAKER_01: We had some staff come in now.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: That's great.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: We're really excited about them.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: And so the best thing about them,
20:26
SPEAKER_01: and talk about player transition,
20:28
SPEAKER_01: there's also coaching transition that happens too.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: And so for us,
20:31
SPEAKER_01: finding the right guys that don't have an ego,
20:34
SPEAKER_01: that don't have an agenda,
20:35
SPEAKER_01: they just want to come in here and serve,
20:37
truly are involved in every scout and that's something that we
20:39
feel like we value
20:41
overall because there's never a game where you're just kind of
20:44
kicking back sitting
20:45
back and relaxing thinking about man we played thursday we got
20:49
another game on
20:49
saturday i hope my scout on saturday is ready to go like no
20:52
we're in the trenches
20:53
SPEAKER_01: right now on thursday
20:55
I had the opportunity a couple of years ago to step in and be a
20:59
head coach for a
21:00
SPEAKER_00: while while our coach was on absence.
21:02
And I went back to being an assistant and I felt like my
21:05
ability to be an assistant
21:07
SPEAKER_00: went up multiple notches.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: You've had the opportunity to be a head coach.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Some assistants, they just haven't had that opportunity.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: But if you could help them out by accelerating maybe that,
21:18
SPEAKER_00: even though they don't have the chance yet,
21:20
what has being a head coach allowed you to do as an assistant
21:25
coach that beforehand
21:27
you just didn't know or because you didn't know you hadn't
21:30
experienced that?
21:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, I got to take it all the way back.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: That's a great question,
21:35
but I think it's going to be a longer answer than just giving a
21:38
few nuggets of
21:38
SPEAKER_01: information.
21:39
Like I've been blessed with the opportunity to work for and
21:42
with some great coaches.
21:44
And so you think about even growing up around the Bethel system
21:47
and being around my
21:48
SPEAKER_01: dad and having,
21:48
SPEAKER_01: you know,
21:49
I didn't even realize how many championship things just rubbed
21:53
off in the way of
21:54
SPEAKER_01: just being around it.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: Like,
21:55
SPEAKER_01: being around winning,
21:57
SPEAKER_01: experiencing what winning locker rooms look like,
21:59
SPEAKER_01: understand what dealing with conflict look like.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: Those things were exposed to me at a young age.
22:03
And I really didn't even understand the fact that's like,
22:06
oh,
22:06
these things are going on.
22:07
Like I got a chance to see what a coach did when he came home
22:11
and he's watching
22:11
film and he's talking to players and he's having parents and
22:15
people over to his
22:15
SPEAKER_01: house and cooking meals.
22:17
SPEAKER_01: Like that was just a part of my life growing up.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: So a lot of those things were modeled to me
22:22
that I felt like I took for granted until you're in that space
22:26
as a head coach or
22:27
SPEAKER_01: even as an assistant that you say,
22:28
SPEAKER_01: oh,
22:28
SPEAKER_01: that's a head coach duty.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: That's what the head coach does.
22:31
No,
22:32
it's your job as a coach to serve whatever the program holds as
22:37
a standard.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: And so those things were modeled to me.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: I had another chance to work for Coach Drew out at Grand Canyon.
22:43
He did an unbelievable job of being in that CEO role that
22:46
you're talking about.
22:47
He had a way of doing things and was truly convicted in those
22:52
and had great people
22:53
around him and how he hired and the type of people he
22:56
surrounded himself with.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: Those things matter.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: And then getting a chance to join here with Coach Gray,
23:00
SPEAKER_01: who was a newer head coach,
23:03
SPEAKER_01: who wasn't in coaching long,
23:05
but was a great player and has great qualities in terms of
23:08
winning represented
23:10
SPEAKER_01: around his background from Oak Hill.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: to West Charlotte,
23:13
SPEAKER_01: to Wake Forest,
23:14
SPEAKER_01: to Western Carolina,
23:15
SPEAKER_01: and now to here,
23:17
SPEAKER_01: like those things,
23:17
those qualities have just continued to follow him where he's
23:20
been as well.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: So I believe throughout that entire process,
23:25
SPEAKER_01: whether you're an assistant coach or a head coach,
23:27
SPEAKER_01: you're still looking at opportunities to say,
23:28
SPEAKER_01: how can I impact a program?
23:30
SPEAKER_01: Don't leave that just up to the head coach.
23:32
You know,
23:33
we were in a meeting the other day and I'll give you a real
23:35
life example.
23:35
We were making a tough decision as a staff in a meeting last
23:40
couple of weeks.
23:41
And I had to call Coach Gray afterwards and I sent him a voice
23:44
text and I said,
23:45
SPEAKER_01: hey man,
23:46
SPEAKER_01: I apologize because my suggestions as an assistant
23:52
leave you with a lot of the shrap metal when those decisions
23:55
are made as a head coach.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of times it's easy for assistant coaches to realize like,
24:00
SPEAKER_01: I can give a suggestion,
24:01
SPEAKER_01: I give a suggestion,
24:02
SPEAKER_01: how's that gonna impact donors?
24:04
SPEAKER_01: How's that gonna impact families?
24:06
How's that going to impact the relationship with
24:08
administration,
24:09
academics?
24:10
SPEAKER_01: Like we're not thinking all those things through.
24:12
Like a lot of times our head coach gets caught with the grenade
24:15
in their hand after
24:16
SPEAKER_01: we've cooked it and handed off.
24:18
SPEAKER_01: We've got to be cognizant of like, this is so much bigger than just
24:22
SPEAKER_01: giving my suggestion.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of dominoes that fall with that.
24:26
And we need to understand that those decisions and those that
24:29
debris that happens
24:30
SPEAKER_01: afterwards,
24:30
SPEAKER_01: a lot of times the coach gets caught catching that.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: And so being aware of that,
24:35
SPEAKER_01: apologizing for when those things happen,
24:37
SPEAKER_01: like when decisions are made or things happen,
24:39
SPEAKER_01: hey,
24:39
SPEAKER_01: coach,
24:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry this had to happen.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: I know you're going to carry the brunt of this.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: Just know I'm here for you if you need to talk about it,
24:46
because I do understand how difficult some decisions can be as
24:50
a head coach.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: but we still have to make the decision what's best for the program.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: And so we go through those all the time.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't believe if I wasn't a head coach, I'd share that same lens.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: And so what I try to do,
25:03
SPEAKER_01: especially here,
25:05
is carry yourself as a head coach now and understand that
25:08
there's so much more that
25:10
SPEAKER_01: goes into every decision that you have in your program,
25:13
SPEAKER_01: more than just whatever you think is right then and there.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my perspective completely changed.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: You're responsible for so many other things.
25:20
And I think that as assistants,
25:22
we typically think of the short term and the here and now.
25:24
And that perspective is a lot different when you're in charge
25:27
of everything.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: It's like the things we probably grew up on kids.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: Like you had those like little lens things.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: You pull the thing down and like shift the picture.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: It's all based upon the lens that we carry when we walk into experiences.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: And so like once you get that lens of a head coach,
25:42
SPEAKER_01: you don't have to be a head coach to feel that.
25:45
But you have to truly understand that they're looking at it
25:48
from a different lens.
25:49
Like they've maybe flipped a few more pages that changed their
25:52
perspective.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: You can offer your perspective,
25:55
SPEAKER_01: but you still have to try to see it from their lens as best as possible.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: All right,
25:58
I'm going to cut this now because Coach has some film session
26:01
that he needs to get
26:01
SPEAKER_00: to.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: But as soon as you mentioned, coaches can reach out to me.
26:05
That's the only thing they've been thinking about since you
26:08
mentioned that.
26:09
So can you give them your email address so that they can
26:11
connect with you on that stuff?
26:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my email is Ryan, R-Y-N-E, at coastal.edu.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: Would love to get in contact with you.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Shoot an email.
26:22
If you need to shoot a text,
26:23
I'm not as good off text message,
26:26
to be honest.
26:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm actually better with my email.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: But my cell phone number is 574-220-3707.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: Feel free to get in contact.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: Would love to stay in contact with anybody that's a listener of Coaches.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: Awesome stuff.
26:40
And all it means is I need to have you back so we can talk more
26:43
about some other things.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Coach, I appreciate you coming on the show.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: Sounds great.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: Appreciate you, coach.