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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, March 24 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky
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  Speaker 1: Brooks and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome in to the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: March twenty four. I'm JP Shandrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osier
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  Speaker 1: coming up as well a review of the newest additions
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  Speaker 1: to the Jaguars and free agency, and they're running it
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  Speaker 1: back with a couple of familiar names as well, Urban
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  Speaker 1: Meyer getting a taste of NFL business for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: We'll hear from the Jags head coach. And after all
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  Speaker 1: that you can adjust your mocks accordingly. Bucky Brooks has
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  Speaker 1: done just that. His latest is out Tuesday on NFL
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  Speaker 1: dot com and we'll get some social media questions as well.
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  Speaker 1: As we always do. Remember to subscribe to the Official
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  Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Give us five stars and all
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  Speaker 1: the comments we can handle. John Osier with us as
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  Speaker 1: always from his home studio. Buckey Brooks is via telephone
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  Speaker 1: this week and it's it's it's an interesting we're making
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  Speaker 1: that happen here on the Huddle Up Podcast. Bucky Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily idea of what that's what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna take it back to the glory days of
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  Speaker 1: the mid nineties of the Jaguar. So might's will do
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  Speaker 1: it be a phone? Is this a paper prodigy? JP?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's what he's using Prodigy. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: mean he watched my ole A O L address and
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  Speaker 1: everything else, Like what is that aim instant messenger? Might
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  Speaker 1: will do all of that, just take it all the
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  Speaker 1: way back, doll up and all the wizing and worrying
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  Speaker 1: and build pine union popping signing off. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: love its fantastic. I love it. Well, we're making it
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  Speaker 1: happen today here on the Huddle Up Podcast. It is
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  Speaker 1: a pro Day season, it's free agencies underway and there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot going on. But Bucky would have been your
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  Speaker 1: assignments this week Pro Day wise before we get to
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  Speaker 1: Jaguar stuff. Well, we have to be really excited to
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  Speaker 1: be had opportunity on Tuesday to look at Mac Jones
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  Speaker 1: and the crew from the Crimson's Dies. So that's been
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  Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun and those guys, I
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  Speaker 1: think what would even more impressive beyond the Mac Jones
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  Speaker 1: workout was naj Hairs Drather nine hours because his flight
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  Speaker 1: was canceled just to be in the building to the
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  Speaker 1: board his teammates. I think it says a lot about
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  Speaker 1: him and his football character that he really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be a part of it that he got in the
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  Speaker 1: car and drive for nine hours. I can't say that
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  Speaker 1: I would drive nine hours. That I pass off to
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  Speaker 1: him for driving nine hours for a pro day that
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  Speaker 1: he didn't participate him from Dallas to Tuscaloosa, John is
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  Speaker 1: not really the most you know, scenic of routes. It's
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  Speaker 1: uh a little boring. John Well, I've been to enough
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  Speaker 1: Pro day that I don't know if I drive nine
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  Speaker 1: minutes to one if I didn't have to. But it
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  Speaker 1: certainly speaks to get what that program means, uh to
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  Speaker 1: each other, and speaks you know, to him, because that's
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  Speaker 1: definitely not one. Nobody was going to count against him
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  Speaker 1: for not doing that, obviously. And I know, Bucky you
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  Speaker 1: you would have missed out. I know you missed out
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  Speaker 1: on like lunch at City Cafe in Northport because you
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  Speaker 1: probably would have been there and and in person and
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  Speaker 1: all that. But everything is a lot of its virtual
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  Speaker 1: this year so you're missing out on some of the
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  Speaker 1: best things Tuscaloosa has to offer. Let's get to the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: Zoe here on the Huddle Up podcast, and we heard
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  Speaker 1: from Urban Meyer last week. Is reaction to the early
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  Speaker 1: part of free agency, and the Jaguars head coach, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is used to getting most every recruit that they went
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  Speaker 1: after in college, especially at the big time schools at
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  Speaker 1: Florida and Ohio State. But here in the NFL, especially
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  Speaker 1: the first wave of free agency, it's all about the dollars. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember it is I see that. I said, go
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  Speaker 1: get him. I want that guy, you know, go get him.
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  Speaker 1: In recruiting, we would have a recruiting meeting and identify
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  Speaker 1: the best players, say go get him. Then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, I start finding out this guy cost twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight million dollars. This guy cost and it was a
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  Speaker 1: really I knew it. To say I didn't know it,
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  Speaker 1: of course I knew it. But just the way you
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  Speaker 1: put that polls together about here's your here's your cap space,
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  Speaker 1: here's your choices. Can we take him? But we get
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  Speaker 1: three of these guys to help, And so I imagine
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  Speaker 1: once you build your roster exactly the way you want it.
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  Speaker 1: Then you can take one guy and go get that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the million dollar athlete. Uh, we weren't. Were
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  Speaker 1: not in position to do that right now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're just not. So it was a learning experience. I
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  Speaker 1: feel great about it, all right, guys. It's a welcome
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's a welcome to the NFL moment for
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  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer. He knew it. He knew it's a business
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  Speaker 1: and it's money, and that it's the first taste of
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  Speaker 1: really seeing a check and that you have to write
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  Speaker 1: for five million dollars. Business decisions, though, are both ways.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you could obviously the player wants that what's
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  Speaker 1: best for them the most money, but the organizations can
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  Speaker 1: also take a pass. And it feels like John, that's
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  Speaker 1: what the Jaguars have done on some of these guys.
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  Speaker 1: They maybe had a number I can't I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to break the bank early in free a agency. They
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  Speaker 1: had so many other things John to really handle here.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've talked about in this show and many others,
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  Speaker 1: the perception of Urban Myra before you got here hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been the way it's played out at all in terms
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  Speaker 1: of his willingness to be candid with the media as
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  Speaker 1: transparent as possible. I thought last week when he was
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  Speaker 1: talking about free agency, he was incredibly candidate. Look, I
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  Speaker 1: learned a lot about this process. There were some things
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  Speaker 1: he didn't like about the process, and I saw some
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  Speaker 1: national people sort of criticizing for some of the things
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  Speaker 1: he said along the lines of, Hey, this isn't a
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  Speaker 1: great system when you can't meet these guys before you
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  Speaker 1: actually get him in the building. I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: there is a solution to what Urbans talking about, but
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  Speaker 1: I certainly don't think he's wrong to think that that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a jacked up system when you are investing
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  Speaker 1: this kind of equity in these guys and you can't
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  Speaker 1: even shake their hands. Beyond that, though, to the point
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  Speaker 1: of your question, JP, I thought it was very fascinating
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  Speaker 1: when Urban basically said, hey, we had certain budgets on guys,
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  Speaker 1: we weren't going to go past it. That was a
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  Speaker 1: learning process and it spoke to what they did in
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  Speaker 1: free agency, which is what we talked about last week.
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  Speaker 1: They saw this roster needed to improve in certain areas.
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  Speaker 1: There were areas where they went after quote unquote frontline guys,
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  Speaker 1: but they looked at and said we need to spend
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  Speaker 1: our money wisely and get the talent base of this up.
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  Speaker 1: It's not time to go after big time free agent
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  Speaker 1: money yet. By yeah. No. I think it's really interesting
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  Speaker 1: to see how Urban attacked this because it is one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that you wanted. How would he kind
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  Speaker 1: of become familiar with the free agency process. I think
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  Speaker 1: I think he does bring up a good point. It
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  Speaker 1: is really hard to invest big time money with someone
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  Speaker 1: that you don't know. But I think he let us, uh,
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  Speaker 1: he kind of let us know how they were going
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  Speaker 1: to deal with that process when he talked about he
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  Speaker 1: wanted the position coaches to have god that they wanted
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  Speaker 1: in the room. And I think we saw a lot
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  Speaker 1: of familiarity and some way, shape or form. We see
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  Speaker 1: Joe Collen bring over to how Ward someone that he
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  Speaker 1: had in his room. We saw others. We saw Malcolm
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  Speaker 1: Brown come over via trade because Charlie Shrunk certainly had
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  Speaker 1: a relationship with him prior. And they're a handful of
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  Speaker 1: other guys there, Belbo Know and Marvin Jones, And so
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  Speaker 1: when you think about that and you think about free agency,
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  Speaker 1: the one thing that's always kind of what makes you
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  Speaker 1: fearful of free agency is bringing someone over that you
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  Speaker 1: don't really know, and then when you pay them big books,
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  Speaker 1: you get me be like, yeah, he's not really a
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  Speaker 1: great fit for what we do, not only schematically, but
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  Speaker 1: how he is in the locker room. There's some validity
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  Speaker 1: to Urban's point, but I think you also tried to
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  Speaker 1: work around it by having guys come over that someone
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  Speaker 1: on the staff previously knew or worked with. Don't you think, Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: that that maybe matters even more right now when they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to get it established than maybe it will in
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  Speaker 1: two or three years when they'll have a culture established
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  Speaker 1: and the culture can change a guy once that's the case.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, they want guys that they know will grasp
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing. It seems like that's more important maybe
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  Speaker 1: now than it will be in two or three years. Slightly. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: I think that it's something that is a huge deal,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's something for the culture that he
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  Speaker 1: wants to make sure that he gets right. And as
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  Speaker 1: long as they continue to kind of kick the tires
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  Speaker 1: and make sure that they're bringing in the right fits
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  Speaker 1: from the character standpoint and a playing standpoint. In terms
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  Speaker 1: of the schematics, I think it gives them a chance.
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  Speaker 1: I just you know, there's so much uncertainty and you're
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  Speaker 1: up against We still don't know if there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a normal off season. You have to try and figure
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  Speaker 1: out a way to kind of get this thing going
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  Speaker 1: and turn it around without being able to do the
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  Speaker 1: thing that we're normal, normal things that we would do.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess a pre pandemic off season j P.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't imagine. I guess they really haven't
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  Speaker 1: said for sure what the off season program. They have not. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard it, Bucky, Well, No, we have heard,
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  Speaker 1: Like they haven't said anything. The other thing we said
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  Speaker 1: is about the draft, but we haven't said anything about
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  Speaker 1: what the off season will look like. I'm sure it
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  Speaker 1: would probably be a mixt of what look like last
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  Speaker 1: year and maybe maybe a few more in person things.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, offseason workouts are supposed to start April five
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  Speaker 1: with the new coaching staff, so the weight room and
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  Speaker 1: all that's supposed to start then. But that I do
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  Speaker 1: not want to be around Urban if they tell him
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  Speaker 1: you can't be around players come April five. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying that, as I've heard him say a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times I heard him say when it was just
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  Speaker 1: me and Davey Kanda talking to him, and it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one thing that for him. He is such
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  Speaker 1: a get to know the player, established trust that's so
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  Speaker 1: important to him. He's already antsy about not being able
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  Speaker 1: to get with the quarterback in January, February and March.
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  Speaker 1: If you tell, you know, put it this way, you say,
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  Speaker 1: don't shoot the messenger. He might shoot the messenger on this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be the one town that's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be made it crazy. I'm joking, but that's obviously
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  Speaker 1: for him. You know, he considers that so important. It
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  Speaker 1: speaks to what he believes is as is important, as
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  Speaker 1: much as it is sort of amusing to think abou
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  Speaker 1: him getting angry about it. This is the Huddle Up Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, John Osan senior writer Jaguars dot Com,
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, NFL media analyst. Let's touch on a few editions.
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  Speaker 1: You know, last week on this podcast, we went through
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  Speaker 1: pretty much all the names that were reported at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Because when this aired, it wasn't official yet. It aired
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday morning, it wasn't official until four o'clock in the
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  Speaker 1: afternoon last Wednesday. So we'll touch on a few of
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  Speaker 1: the names and touch on the guys who are really
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  Speaker 1: in the building this week because an earlier podcast we've
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  Speaker 1: really gone in depth on some of these other guys
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  Speaker 1: and Bucky. You know, we're talking about character off the
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  Speaker 1: field and performance on combined. Here. Marvin Jones really impressed
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  Speaker 1: a lot of us around the building yesterday, the wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver from the Detroit Lions, eighteen touchdowns the last two years,
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  Speaker 1: and from the little time we had with him yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like off the field and and in that
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  Speaker 1: meeting room and just in life in general, this is
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  Speaker 1: a guy you want around your organization. Yeah, very mature
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  Speaker 1: uh player. Obviously he's in his thirties, so he's been
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  Speaker 1: around the league for a while, but even before that,
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  Speaker 1: people would tell he's the consummate pro. He can go
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  Speaker 1: about his business and a very professional manner. He's going
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  Speaker 1: to prepare and he's going to be great for the
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  Speaker 1: young guys in the room because he's going to show
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  Speaker 1: them how to get ready. And so with the Viscustion
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  Speaker 1: know and some of the other young guys that will
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  Speaker 1: eventually be in their room, you need to have someone
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  Speaker 1: that can be that that leader. Now that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: that he will take the leadership duties away from DJ Chart,
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  Speaker 1: but it's differently. You've been in there, you've been in
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  Speaker 1: the league for a long time. And also when you're
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  Speaker 1: learning a new offense on the dayre Bebble you on
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  Speaker 1: someone who can accelerate the process. He'll be able to
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  Speaker 1: do that. And not only mentioned the work that he'll
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  Speaker 1: do with Trevor Lawrence. I think this is a really
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  Speaker 1: really smart pickup by the jackboard. It's funny, JH. The
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  Speaker 1: more are you're around the league, the more you realize
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  Speaker 1: guys who do it for ten years or more. That
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  Speaker 1: so written, that's not about talent to me as much
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  Speaker 1: as it's about figuring out what it takes to play
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  Speaker 1: in this league and to continue to be productive. I'll
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  Speaker 1: guarantee you drafts. Yeah, since Marvin Jones has been in
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  Speaker 1: the league, there have probably been a hundred receivers drafted
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  Speaker 1: who have more quote talent than this guy. Whatever talent means.
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  Speaker 1: So for guys who are able to say in the
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  Speaker 1: league name with Tyson out all you know, no matter
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  Speaker 1: where you're drafted, matter how much talent you have if
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  Speaker 1: you're in the league ten years or more. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you do that without being an unbelievable professional. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important you got that on both sides
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  Speaker 1: of the ball at all positions right now or they're
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  Speaker 1: getting closer to it. But you're in the point where
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of positions. You've got veteran guys who
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  Speaker 1: can be leaders in that room. And uh, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: as big on that as some people are that you
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  Speaker 1: have to have that, but you need the right guy
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  Speaker 1: leading each spot because it's an eighth year guys me,
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  Speaker 1: he's the right guy. It feels like they're getting close
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  Speaker 1: to having the right guy at a lot of these spots.
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  Speaker 1: Let's touch on another area that obviously is of importance
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  Speaker 1: to most head coach is certainly head coach Urban Meyer,
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  Speaker 1: and that's Rudy Ford, the safety by trade, but special teams.
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  Speaker 1: Ace comes from the Eagles. He only played in eight
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  Speaker 1: games last year, Bucky, but I think he had eleven
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  Speaker 1: total special teams tackles last year in that time frame,
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  Speaker 1: which is a top six or so in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: The guy can really get down the field and you
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  Speaker 1: need a handful of course, special teams guys, and it
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  Speaker 1: feels like Rudy Ford could step into that role. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think he absolutely can step in today. Well, you
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  Speaker 1: talked about the production in a small sample side. It
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  Speaker 1: just shows how active he is in the kicking game.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things that Urban takes pride in,
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  Speaker 1: and he's always taking pride in, going back to its
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  Speaker 1: commute day, has been having a dominant especially teams unit.
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  Speaker 1: And so you don't sound a guy like that, Jeff, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna be a backup player. Maybe you can help us.
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  Speaker 1: It's about trying to build an elite special teams unit
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  Speaker 1: because we see it most infrol games that ecide about
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  Speaker 1: one score eight points of fewer. And so if you
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  Speaker 1: can find a way to kill the skills in your
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  Speaker 1: favor by having an elite kicking game, I think it
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  Speaker 1: certainly helps you go from a bad team to maybe
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  Speaker 1: a team that is very competitive in year one. Every
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  Speaker 1: coach alive JP says special teams is a third of
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  Speaker 1: the game. Every coach that not every coach or organization
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  Speaker 1: puts equity behind it. They clearly did during free agency forward.
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  Speaker 1: These are guys. Agne is at a four core guy,
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  Speaker 1: but he's a returner Ford being a four core guy.
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  Speaker 1: They're taking it seriously with this and it matters to
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  Speaker 1: him and there's no reason it should the way they
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  Speaker 1: approached it. This allows them to put their money where
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  Speaker 1: their mouth is. In terms of special teams, again, they
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  Speaker 1: clearly looked at all ears the roster and said, we've
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  Speaker 1: got to raise we have to raise the level by
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  Speaker 1: what's that phrase, The tide lifts all ships? Whatever that
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  Speaker 1: is tis all ships? Yeah, whatever that rising tide thing
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  Speaker 1: is that applies. So I've got more As this podcast
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  Speaker 1: goes on, I will offer more analogies that I really
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  Speaker 1: don't understand as ways to define things, right. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: One final touch on here, guys is Tyson Allo Allo.
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  Speaker 1: He hasn't visited here yet, but I think he knows
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  Speaker 1: where the weight room is. Buck. He's been around here
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. And you know this is one
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  Speaker 1: where going back to that defensive line set up, you
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  Speaker 1: know they needed some beef there. That was that was
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  Speaker 1: priority number two behind quarterback for urban Meyer in the
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  Speaker 1: off season. So they did that with a few names.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about him last week where robertson Harris Malcolm Brown,
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  Speaker 1: the trade in from the Saints but bringing Tyson in.
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  Speaker 1: The guy has missed four games in his entire career,
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  Speaker 1: and a couple of those were just by coaches decision.
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  Speaker 1: Here in Jacksonville, he wasn't injured then, so in reality,
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  Speaker 1: he's probably missed two games because of injury. He's reliable,
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  Speaker 1: he's sharp, he's as good as you want off the
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  Speaker 1: field as well, and having him back around here is
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  Speaker 1: going to be great for this team. Bucky, Yeah, absolutely
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  Speaker 1: would be great. This is guy that up in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 1: He was a key contributor, former first round pick for
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguar. He understands that, he understands organization and the land.
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  Speaker 1: You're trying to make sure you have enough veteran that
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  Speaker 1: can show the young guys the way. We believe that
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be a very young team and
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: they're trying to rebuild the teams. You're gonna have a
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: bunch of first, second, or third you guys. You need
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: veterans in each position room that can set the tone
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: and waived the standards performance. And so hopefully Tyson can
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: come back to action. He can do that, and hopely
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: they still can add another player or two with elite
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: talent that can kind of change the way that that
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: D line about their business. Look, there's being an iron man,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: which Tyson is, and there's playing through things where he
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be playing. He had micro facture surgery. I think
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: after his second year, I forget which year it was.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: He has played through stuff. I've been told by different
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: coaches here that there's no way he should have been
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: playing through. This guy is tough. He shows up every week.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: He can still play at a high level as well.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: But as much as Urban talked last week about Joe
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Colin banging the table for Ward, I'll guarantee you Colon
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: bang the table follow all of and I went to
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Urban and if availability was a topic, I guarantee you
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Colon went to Urban and said, look, if this guy
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: can be available, he's going to be available. Don't worry
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: about it with him. He's as impressive row as I've
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: ever been around. So I would sign him if I
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: even thought I was going to get four games from
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: him a year, just to have him around younger players.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I think he's that much of an influence. And now
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: he's back back intil again, where he probably should have
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: could have stayed throughout his entire career. But he's back
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and that will be a great addition to this Jaguars
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• 19:04
  Speaker 1: let's get to Jaguars needs now. Free agency is underway.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: First wave is done. We'll see if there are other
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: additions down the line. But with all these additions, you've
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: got to adjust your mock drafts accordingly. And Bucky, you've
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: done just that. Yours hit on Tuesday two point oh
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: first round mock draft. What do you have for the Jaguars. Well,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: obviously we can go to Traivor Lawrence at number one
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: because he's the face of the franchise. He's exactly what
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: we want at the position. Leadership ability, big time arm talent, athleticism.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: He appeared to be in the lockstep with what Urban
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: wats in terms of at that position. So he's a
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: no brainer at number one. I think the interesting thing
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: is getting down to twenty five. What direction will the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Jaguars go. We talked about the needing to upgrade the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: defensive line. They need a dominant and where need elite
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: defensive linement. I don't know if there's one that's sitting
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: there twenty five, and so that's make sure we go
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to the back end and find someone in the middle
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: of the field that can make plays. And so for me,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm believing that Chrevn Warrey from TCU as a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: guy that is certainly of interest. When you go back
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and study how Joe Cullen the defense of the Ravens play,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: how Ohio State played under Urban, which will split safety defense,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: your strong tape and your free safe. Do you need
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: to be able to cover the man demand you need
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to be able to beef factory just to run they
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: be able to me and make plays. He is the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: best playmaker at the position and safety and with the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: skill set. When you talked about have an opportunity to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: have an all star at the position, if he's the five,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's a no brainer. Okay, Bucky, we all
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: know that in your next mock draft you'll pick somebody
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: else because that's what all the smith drafters do. So
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: who will you pick for them? And you're like, I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: guess what I'm getting at is there's two or three
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: directions they could go here. I agree with you that
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: this kid makes a lot of sense. You see bar More,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: what other logical spots would there be a because you'll
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: change the next one. I mean maybe, I don't know.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I have to think about it, like I've wrestled so
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: hard with it all over the weekend that maybe I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: can come up with another thing. A lot of it
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: depends on what they feel like internally about Cam Robinson
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: an offensive tackle, because this is your year where you
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: may have six seven guys that carry first round grades
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to that position. It wouldn't be a bad idea if
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you're sitting in twenty five to take a good offensive tackle.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: If you pick me sitting there in that range, you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: could potentially be talking about Jamy Mayfield from Michigan. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: think uh coach I would say Death School of North Um.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: You may feel they could be sitting there. You have
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the potential of uh Keevin Jenkins from Oklahoma State also
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: being available. And the surprise name they could be a
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: first rounder would be Liam I can birg from mother name.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: If you beat up that offset the line and make
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: sure that the quarterback is protected, you can never go wrong.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And so I viewed the game as a game of chess.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: And then I'm rum and chests protect the king and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: said Trevor Lawrence is going to be the king. Make
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: sure you protect him and you can protect him to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the big offensive loan. One thing that Jaguars did not
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: get done in at least the early wave of free
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: agency is a pass catching tight end down the field.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Is that a possibility or is that even too early
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: at is that something they could wait a little bit
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: second round draft? I think for like tight in you
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: definitely can find a tight end in the second round.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Patree from Penn State is in the conversation Hunter along
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: from Boston College and both in the conversation. Both of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: those guys would be nights fit big after the past, catch,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the big hands, sturdy in the ring in I think
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: both of those guys could be in play if you
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: go a little later. You didn't talk about Trey McKee,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: who is from Georgia, super athletic. If you want one
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: of those Johnny Smith types that can run the scene
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and do those things, yeah, so you can find that's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: how in. But I do believe they need to invest
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: in the tight end fairly early if you want one
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: of those difference makers as opposed to a guy that
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: might just be a little limited in some other areas.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But my understanding is in your mock and not forgive me,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I've not gone past the top ten in your mom um.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: You have Pitts going to thirteen. I did in the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: scenario because remember now, I'm a purist when it comes
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to my draft. There john no trade, no funny like.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Whatever the picks are, those are the picks. But when
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: you think, yeah, there's been a lot of conversations about
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: cow pits, maybe he's the second best player in the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: draft and those things. But when you go back and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: look at tight end taking the top ten, it hasn't
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: been very time t J. Hockenson from Detroit was taken
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: at eight. He's been okay, but he hasn't been an
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: all star. Eric eve Ryan going all the way back,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: was drafting in the top ten. I had some very
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: dominant and dynamic players. I would say his career has
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: just been okay. And so as much as I love
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: up Kyle Pitt as the player the top trit in,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: let's see George Kittle. Fifth round pick. Travis Kelsey I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: also think was the fifth round pick. So it doesn't
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: necessarily translate that if you take a tight and high
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you want to be an impact player. He had great
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: value as a first rounder. I just don't know if
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I would pull the trader on him in the first
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: round early. But Bucky, I mean, look at the tape
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: on this guy. I mean this, this guy's tape is
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: not those guys tape, at least in my opinion. I mean,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: what he did, especially this past season at Florida when
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: he was healthy, you don't really see that. That doesn't
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: show up anywhere. That's that's very rare to find. Especially
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: wait till he puts out about fifteen or twenty more
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: pounds too. Yeah, look, he's a fantastic playmaker. He did
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: jumbo wide receiver out there in a tight end. Boy,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: he ran four or fourth six and all that in workouts.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: But we've seen those guys come from lesser rings. JP,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you don't necessarily need to get him in the top ten.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: He's a fantastic player. But remember this draft is deep
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: in pass catchers and all those other things, and some
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: coaches can't create guys BECAU don't know how they use
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: them if he's there, because I'm thinking that the places
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: where everyone actually put them in Philadelphia at six, Uh,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: do they stay with Jalen Hurst and say to the quarterback?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Is not there where? Else where else in the top ten?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Are we talking about outside of Philadelphia where he could
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: be a good to do the Dallas Cowboys for the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: trigger at ten on A on A, I mean, just
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: go all the offense and say we're gonna be team
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: forty Burger if we can put forty on everybody outside
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: of that, the forty forty Niners at twelve, maybe to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: put him alongside George Kittle. And so it's not only
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: his appreciation for his talents, but where do we slot him? Innute,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I say no way, the Jags trade up if it's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: top six or seven. But if he slides the twelve,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: would they not have a chance to trade him to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: get him at that point? I mean, I mean, are
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: we deeming him the missing piece on offense? I mean,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: if we're deeming him the missing piece of offense, yes
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: we need to grossively go up and get him. But
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like the play callers that we have there,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: like I take play calls employer, but the quarterback coach
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: bland shot and how many then yea double? They've never
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: been one that have really utilized the featured the tied end.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe they maybe they have a little section in the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: playbook that is just for the stressure side end that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: they've never had in their careers. But I don't know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like I would like to find someone that
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: can control it over the middle of the field, But
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: is that an essential piece to the way that they
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: want to play? Only coach mind those hadn't well we've
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: mentioned that on this podcast. By the way, I would
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: be pro team forty Burger on offense. I want to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: score forty a game. So whatever that happens, how don't
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: we have to do that? Put this roster together, draft
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: free agent trade fort Burgers, Team forty Burger, Team forty Burger.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: That's the juine. You're gonna light it up, defense, through
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it out the window. Let's get all the offensive weapons
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to make this like a magname. Maybe we can kick
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: on that kicks with all the special teamers that we're getting.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Just up. Yeah, I know, we just resigned the punter,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: but you know what, get him out of here too.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna put risk going four on fourth down
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: every time. I mean, I noticed may may pay. We
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: can do I mean, got down there. We can go
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: with the old Steve Spurrier approach and just funning gunning,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you know, just swing it all over the lot and
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: you know up team forty Burger. That's uh huddle Up
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: podcast approach. We're moving along on the Huddle Up Podcast.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: You're on the Official Jaguars podcast network, and we usually
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: wrap up with social media questions. We put the bat
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: signal out on Tuesday, and here's what we've come up
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: with today. This is from at Sick with It. Urban
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: said he wants an elite D line. There is no
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: one elade on this line as of today. Clowney is
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: an elite athlete and is elite and stopping the run.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Can he be a player that the Jags target? H yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Oh I'll pass on that coffee. I'll let John have you.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: No like for me. I think he's a great the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: best that never was. Like, he's a tremendous athlete. He
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: looks support. I mean, he is all of that. He
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't give you shack production, he doesn't give you consistent availability.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I think he's his name value carried more than his game. Yeah,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I U yeah, I couldn't read more with that. He
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: is a name, and it's exactly the opposite of what
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: they've done in free agency so far, which is pay
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: for big name. They clearly have preferred going for guys
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that they think have great value. I just don't think
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Clowney right now would be a value acquisition and free agency.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: He strikes you as far more the guy that if
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you think you need maybe one more guy over the top,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and he's there in September and you're a team that
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: thinks they're going to be in a super maybe, But
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that really hasn't worked with the teams that is acquired him.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I mean that really hasn't been how it's worked for him.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Last couple of years, so I don't see it. All
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: three of us combined had as many sacks as Clowney
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: last year. Yeah. Yeah. And also, Man, I don't know
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: when we talk about it, like Ian talking about the culture,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I think he liked it. I don't know if you
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: loved it. He didn't play the game like he loved it,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a frustrating thing if you're coaching
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: him more supporting game because number one overall pick, number
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: one overall recruiting high school, like even number one at
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. And I don't know if
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: he's ever played today because our next question today from
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: at evan Off Joel, what are your thoughts on Rondale
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Moore and where do you see his value? Of course,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: he has to produe wide receiver. He measured in on
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Tuesday and produced pro Day at five ft seven even
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: eighty pounds, but his vertical was forty two and a
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: half inches and unofficial four point to nine forty. It's
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a pro day forty time though, Bucky, what do you
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: think of Rundale more shipped and explosive? The four two
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: times speaks for a seven, even if it's not official.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: They put him in the low four three range, so
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: he certainly can fly when you listen to him. Uh.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: In interviews he talks about being a crafty off running.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: He has all that because you take passed that up.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The problem is he's five seven five seven. It's hard
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to find why receiving the past and then each have
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: a march. She had all these bodies coming at you,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and you're trying to find the five seven guys like
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: guess that's difficult. But there's a place for him. I mean,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I would expect he goes off the board day two.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a dad boy. Uh, you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know where who he removes from
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the line up because you have a slide daddy guy
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: touched the rock that didn't take the way k from
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the discussion of JP five seven is short. I'm not there.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I'm with Bucky there. I'm sure that there are some
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: teams I don't want to say off the board, but
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some teams where there's a GM
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: saying I just can't DRAFTIFI seven receiver, and he may
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: defy that because that sometimes happens. But I'm with Bucky.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I would have a tough time in in round one
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: what I thought of as a premium guy. Boy, that's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: a big risk. H all right, thanks for the question there.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Let's get our last question today at Danton Thomas are
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a regular here on this segment. Are there any other
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: players you see the Jaguars pursuing in that second wave
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: of free agency? If so, what positions would be picked up? Think?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I mean we talked about it. The bag of quarterback
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: position is one that I have to be discussed. That
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: we have to get a veteran backup. I know, miss Humania.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I get you still flickering the famous still
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: on a little bit, but I want a veteran quarterback
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: that up tell large become the best that he could,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: very very quickly, so that they can find a vetteran
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: quarterback this out there. Maybe with the first letter A
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and Alex last Damous Smith. I mean, maybe that's the movie,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you know. I just think you have to have someone
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that can show Trevor Lawrence how to play the game,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: who also understand the culture so to me and makes sense.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: That will be the guy that I'll look for the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: second way. Yeah, I think they should sign Alan Smith.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: He would fit Bucky's criteria. And I agree. I'm a
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: proponent as well of the veteran backup plan. It's not
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that I'm not a proponent of Minshew, but I think
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: in this situation, what Bucky's talking about makes sense. It's
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: so hard to predict second way free agency because by definition,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it's more of a fill out some gaps. Anybody brought
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: in now is probably not going to be the Hey,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: we envisioned a specific frontline role for this guy. You
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: wonder if you know zach Ertz still sitting out there.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Anything that goes on with tight end is automatically gonna
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: peak people's interests. Although it feels to me like they
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: have decided to go the route of developed the tight end,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I think they sort of buy into what Bucky's talking about.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with tight end that it is
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: hard to find in the first round. It's high risk
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: in the first round, and most of these great players,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I think Kelsey was the third rounder. But it's the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Bucky's point, the elite guys, the great guys. The last
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: elite first round tight end, I think it was Gonzalez. Yeah,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: maybe missing a couple, but to your point, it's that
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: rare Gonzalez came out in the nineties. It's not a
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: guaranteed if you take him in the first round it
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: works out position, So I would certainly wait on that
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: spot as well. But interesting, what would you consider Jeremy
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Shocky that Oh yeah, Jeremy Shocky. I mean he came out,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: he had deduction. You've gotta lived up to the hype.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I mean what you're yeah, I mean we're still talking
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a couple of decades here. Yeah, I mean, I'm Ron
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  Speaker 1: was the second rounder. So it's it. It's hard to
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  Speaker 1: find it to me, and Bucky and I have talked
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  Speaker 1: about this some like last year, but I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: the draft. To me, it's it's the trickiest spot. As
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  Speaker 1: much as Jaguars fans have killed this team over the
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  Speaker 1: years for not having a guy there, it's an unbelievably
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  Speaker 1: tricky spot because the first rounders don't always work out.
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  Speaker 1: It's not hyperae in the first round, so you're automatically
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  Speaker 1: going late in the draft to find it. Well. That
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  Speaker 1: means you're developing. That means you're taking a guy that
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  Speaker 1: has a flaw somewhere would be a first rounder, and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: if they're elite, they never come close to free agency,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: so they hang on to these guys. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: the forty night Is are gonna let Kidtle go anytime soon.
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  Speaker 1: On next year's Top fifty free agents. Kelsey ain't gonna
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  Speaker 1: be on it. So it's just hard to find. It's
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  Speaker 1: a really hard position to find. And as much as
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you want to kill this team for not finding it,
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  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of teams that have found that
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: elite guy at tight end. It's funny, John JP, because
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you're talking about it. I'm right down the three tight
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: ends that really stand out to me. We talked about
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  Speaker 1: George Kittle, the NFL Travis Kelsey benefit, Darren Waller, I
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  Speaker 1: want to say, with the six or seven, and he
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  Speaker 1: was a former college wide receiver. And the tricky part
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  Speaker 1: of the position is the job description. The job description
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  Speaker 1: of a traditional tight end is your half offensive lineman,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: half wide receivers. Well, how many guys are walking around
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  Speaker 1: on the planet that have those capabilities where they can
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  Speaker 1: go and deal with those big old defensive ends, but
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  Speaker 1: yet they're swift enough to be a legitimate pass catcher.
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  Speaker 1: So what ends up happening is you split the job
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  Speaker 1: with amongst two different people. You have your traditional tight
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  Speaker 1: end that does all the grunt work, and then you
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: have the pass catcher. I think for the Jags is
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: who can you identify as the value price pass catcher
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  Speaker 1: that can develop and be that guy that's a difference
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  Speaker 1: maker in the passing game. And who is the tight
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  Speaker 1: end coach? Who is the guy that can develop those
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  Speaker 1: specific skills because it does take some development to get
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: those guys up and going the challenge. Alright, great conversation there,
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  Speaker 1: and thanks again for all the submissions on social media.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: On Tuesday afternoon for the Huddle Up podcast coming up
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: this week. Pro Days season continues on Guessing Bucky on
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: NFL Network. Yeah, Pro Days, Pro Days, Pro Days. We
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: have a few more Pro Days coming up. South Carolina
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: is when arriving. USC is also on the rising. Everyone
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: is excited to see and I think maybe Zach Wilson
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: maybe throwing the ball around the yard a little bit
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: so people get a chance to see the second or
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: maybe third quarterback in the draft. Ass do this thing? Well?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Urban be right there in front of them, is the question?
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  Speaker 1: All signs pointed out? Yeah, I don't. Yeah, all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of points to know. I think I think they may
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: be uh busy at work, trying to craft the offensive
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: around maybe the little quarterback from Colston Johnny, what do
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you got coming up this week? Actually later in the week,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a piece of Bucky. And I sort
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: of broke down the roster out of the last couple
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: of weeks, and then all of a sudden last Wednesday,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the entire roster changed. So I'll be doing sort of
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a truncated version of that Thursday and Friday where I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: break down the Jaguars offense and and Jaguars defense, just
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to sort of reset the roster, because last Wednesday, this
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: whole thing changed dramatically. So if you're not sure where
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: guys are playing and what's gonna happen, log on to
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com on Thursday and Friday. Yeah, and from
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the sounds of a Bucky's dial up might be fixed
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: by then, maybe he he'll be able to go on
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and read his Internet. He's on the phone. I don't know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, hopefully you do that. If not,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to snail mil You got don't have
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: to postcards and notes and all kinds of other stuff,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and may even be hand written. This is something that
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I man I haven't done to my job, so you
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: may have to go all the way day. Facts that
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: John still has a fax machine I think somewhere in
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: this office. But fuck you. Will talk to you again
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: down the line next week. You have a good look.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: You know you got to do okay, all right, Bucks
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: out of here and John, I'll see you a little
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: later today, as we always say here in the office.
• 38:06
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• 38:15
  Speaker 1: time on the Huddle Up Podcast.