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Derrick Warfel: Competing Worldviews! UFOs And GOD · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to Worldview Matters. Discussing controversial issues. Discerning current events. Defending biblical Christianity. No topic. Off limits. And now, here's your host, David Fiorazzo.
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  Hey, friends, thank you so much for tuning in. A very important topic we're going to be discussing today on the show. We didn't see this. A lot of us didn't see this coming, but we need to address UFOs and God. And I've got an award-winning filmmaker and author who has done movies on this. He's researched this, and he's got a brand-new book coming out that you can preorder. Let's get it up right now.
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  dot com UFOs and God book dot com. It'll be on all the outlets, but you can preorder. I'm looking forward to this conversation with Derek Warfel, author and filmmaker coming to us from Florida. Good to see you, brother. Thanks for your time today. Thanks for having me today.
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  All right, so you've done a lot of work in Hollywood and the film industry, and yet 40 years, I think you said, and now you see the necessity of putting out a book on this kind of topic. So would you please share a little bit of your background in the moviemaking, documentaries, with our audience, Derek? Sure, yeah. I went to Princeton University undergraduate. Felt that, you know, obviously –
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  The Lord Jesus was an important part of my life, and I worked with Campus Crusade for eight years. Part of that time, I went to Dallas Seminary because I felt that I needed to know more of the Bible if I was going to get involved in communicating biblical truth. And I noticed your thing is…
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  about worldview. My thesis at Dallas was on worldview and how media flex that. So I really think that's important. Then got out and went to, I fairly wanted to work in film. So I got to University of Southern California, the film school there and graduated with MFA and promptly became unemployed because there's a hundred people looking for every one job in Hollywood. But I kind of, you
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  Did some day gigs, real estate, sub-teaching, continued to write. And when I realized that writers don't always have the power, I got into producing and produced eight feature films, a lot of shorts, rewrites, all kinds of stuff. And this last one was something that I just felt as I...
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  kind of having more time and not working quite as much full-time, I began to see a lot of things on Ancient Aliens, on History Channel, and Stephen Greer on all the documentaries online. And I just was surprised because it's so wrong. What can I say? I mean, I think these people are sincere people, but they don't realize what they're doing. And the same thing with Steven Spielberg's Disclosure Day. I mean, this is...
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  This is very dangerous material. Why is that? Well, how can I say it? Are the messages subtle in the new movie? Well, yes, they are, but you have to realize what is ultimately behind this. It's not simply as Ephesians 6.12 says,
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  world forces of darkness, and spiritual forces of wickedness in every places. This is the entire fallen angelic realm. These are very intelligent, very powerful beings. When God created angels before he created us,
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  He created them to do all his work. He created them very powerful, very intelligent. One third of them decided to rebel against God and have been in war with him ever since. And they are not stupid. They're very smart. They try every tactic. If you don't believe me, just look at how many times you've fallen into temptation. You say, I'll never do that again.
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  And then you do it again because they're very smart about how they trick you. And they've been tricking us ever since the Garden of Eden. You know, look at look at how Satan tricks evil, but you can look at all the
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  how can I say, all the civilizations, ancient Near Eastern gods, ancient Egyptian gods, the Greek and Roman gods, which were nothing like the myths that came down to us, but were probably angelic beings who deceive people, the Arabic djinn, ghosts, poltergeists, all the paranormal realm
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  I believe is related together. It's all part of a strategy to turn people away from God. We don't struggle against flesh and blood. We struggle against very intelligent beings that seek to deceive us. And this thing with, the only thing that's different about this is there's flying saucers that we can track. You know, this is just, I mean, remember I said, they're very intelligent beings. If we can create spacecraft, so can they. If we can create robots,
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  It just serves their purpose in a modern scientific age to use kind of modern scientific things. They use the type of technology that people are used to. In the late 1800s, it was blimps. In World War II, it was orbs of light floating around.
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  fighter jets called orbs. What are they called? Foo Fighters. You know, now it's, you know, spaceships. They're very smart in tempting us and deceiving us. And so...
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  my thing is to warn people because I just see, you know, it's like when every cult that came along, the church was just unprepared. It kind of hit you on the side. And the same thing exists in terms of, I give an example in the book, like when Lyle and Darwin were basically making a case that, you know, God did not create the world, but in fact, it came about by evolution. And
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  At the time that came out, I've got to believe that most of the Christians didn't even pay attention to it at all in the mid-1800s. But today, you cannot go to a university that does not have evolution as its foundation. And I mean, right now, people just kind of dismiss this UFO thing because, oh, it's just stupid. You know, we've been joking about it for years. But you know what? It's gaining traction. That's what scares me. It's gaining traction. Yeah.
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  And people need to understand, like the film, Steven Spielberg's Disclosure Day, basically whitewashes the whole problem. And you need to be aware because it says, oh, these beings are helpful. We need to listen to them. They can help us. And the bottom line is I give, we give in the film and in the book, countless examples of people's lives have been destroyed by these beings.
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  The church needs to be aware because this, I believe, maybe it hasn't hit the tipping point yet or critical mass, but I believe it is coming, that this is a major thing that's going to take over.
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  Well, there's a reason I wanted to have you on, and that is because there's more press on this, more awareness, more talk about UFOs. And for Christians, we need to know how to respond to this and have that biblical worldview, not be shaken in our faith.
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  Because God's not surprised by any of this. But Derek, I want to go back to something you said about how Hollywood shapes our views. You said entertainment doesn't just reflect what culture believes. It shapes it. And Ancient Aliens is a show that's been running for 20 plus seasons. And you say tens of millions of people have watched it. And...
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  So people have these assumptions going ahead to this movie by Spielberg or hearing what our government is saying about UFOs. So share your concerns about that, please. Well, I think the thing that's interesting to me is that at some level, Ancient Aliens is saying the same thing I'm saying. It says that all this paranormal and supernatural world is connected. Yeah.
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  Ghosts, poltergeists, Edgar Cayce, you know, basically Greek and Roman gods, all of it's somehow connected that there's something else that they've been saying that these beings have been visiting Earth for thousands of years.
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  And at the head of their show, they say, we are not alone. In fact, primary message in Spielberg's film, we are not alone. We've never been alone. And I agree with that. The problem is they're not who you think they are. They're deceivers. I mean, there's a quote by a French writer called Baudelaire that says, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled
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  was convincing the world he didn't exist. Because if you're not aware of who your enemy is, you know, Sun Tzu says in the art of war, you're gonna be defeated every time. So in fact, the whole occult world, the word occult means hidden things.
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  hidden. And Jesus says this himself, you know, men did not come to the light lest their deeds be revealed. And in the same way, these fallen angels don't come to the light. They kind of poke in and then they poke out. And they sow doubt in your mind. And the thing that's scary to me is there's a
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  former ER doctor called Stephen Greer, who has a number of documentaries online on Netflix and Amazon. And he says that we cannot wait for the government to open up the doors to speak to these beings. We have to reach out to them ourselves. And he says, I have come up with a technology where you can personally, individually reach out these aliens yourself. And you know what that technology is?
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  Transcendental Meditation. Oh my goodness. And those of us who study TM know that it's basically an offshoot of Hinduism. Yeah. They will tell you in TM that it's a technology. It's not. It basically, when you go for initiation, you have to bring an offering. They don't tell you it's an offering like an apple or something. Then you have to listen to chant certain words of
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  Adoration towards an ascended master. And at the end of the initiation ceremony, they give you a mantra. Of course, you've heard a mantra, something you're supposed to repeat. Most of the times, this mantra is the name of an ascended Hindu god in Sanskrit. You know, so, I mean, that doesn't sound like technology to me. No, you don't know. And you see these documentaries with Stephen Greer where they're sitting on the hilltops
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  And they're in the TM pose. And they're basically mentally reaching out to these beings. And you see these little orbs of light, you know, perhaps in the Elizabethan England, they would have called them fairies, floating around people. And they're.
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  I'm thinking to myself, they're calling demons to themselves. That is just insane. I mean, it's like, you have to understand, basically, to a large extent, there has to be an open door for these fallen angels, these demonic type beings to enter into our lives. You have to, like, for instance, if you
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  get a Toro card reading, if you practice TM, if you do certain higher levels of yoga,
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  if you basically take drugs, you're opening yourself up to these beings to come in and control you. I mean, even in the, remember the film Beetlejuice? Yes. He says, say my name three times. Yeah. Why would he say that? Because you're inviting them in. I can help you if you say my name, you know? Yeah. And so the concept is,
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  is that if you take drugs, if you get drunk, if you basically lower your defenses, you're opening yourself up to – I hate to use the word demonic because these are much higher than what we think of as demonic beings. I think – we think of demons as a fat little guy in a skin-tight red suit with horns and a pitchfork.
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  These beings are very intelligent. They will pretend, you know, they'll put out a straw man so you basically, oh, I don't believe in that, you know. But – and we think that the demons are always like the demons that Jesus confronted who, you know, had people –
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  beings within them, brithing, spitting up pea soup, whatever, you know, they're much more intelligent. They say, like, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, world forces of darkness, spiritual forces of wickedness in heavenly places. One of those in the Bible is referred to as the Prince of Persia. So these are powerful beings. Often there's higher levels, there's lower levels. But
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  But, you know, if we can create spacecraft, oh, my gosh, they can do stuff far better than us. And you look at these flying saucers, they will travel, we've estimated, between 40,000 and 500,000 miles an hour and then just disappear.
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  Okay, we can't do that. That's like the lowest level is like Mach 50. Our fastest fighter jets are Mach 3 or Mach 5. I mean, they are much better than us. They can create robots. If we can create robots that are almost lifelike, they can create much even better robots. And so some of these beings that we encounter may not even be the spiritual beings.
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  Paul and Angel themselves, it could be robotic beings that are, you know, they're in another place controlling them. For example, when we send a spaceship to Mars, we can't live on Mars, but we have machines that can and we can control them from here.
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  Well, it seems that to a certain extent, they don't have absolute access to our three-dimensional space, at least the fallen angels don't. And so they might be sending some of these gray aliens, maybe in fact, very robotic beings. I mean, we can create robots ourselves that are almost lifelike. Now imagine if we had technology a thousand years advanced from where we are today, we could do some amazing things.
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  This is fascinating, Derek. I want to ask you a follow-up question because I understand that this is all possible, and the Bible speaks to the different dimensions, the different spirits, different levels. And I think a lot of people are wondering if we're seeing these things, or if there are spacecraft or, like you say, robots, where do they create these things? Do they have a home base? Is this just another dimension, and they're getting into ours?
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  Yeah, I'm jumping ahead here. I'll talk about that and I'm going to backtrack. But first of all, yeah, I believe they're extra dimensional beings.
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  They're not intergalactic beings. I'll come back to that. Why? Because the world right now, the narrative is they're coming from a foreign galaxy, a foreign planet. I don't believe that. And I believe that we can prove that, that they're interdimensional beings. In fact, one of the people who study the subject to the greatest degree is a guy called Jacques Vallée. And he spoke, I believe, before the UN. He says they're interdimensional beings. They're trying to...
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  build a narrative that they're intergalactic beings, but they're not. That's what they're trying to prove because that's more palatable to us than interdimensional. Because as soon as you talk about interdimensional, you talk about heaven. You talk about other beings. You talk about supernatural beings. And in a scientific world where it's just not cool to admit that evolution doesn't work,
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  and that there's interdimensional beings and that there's a God that created everything. The idea of intergalactic beings is bar more acceptable to the science community. But so where was I going with this? Oh, the idea that basically they are interdimensional. Let me give you an example. The Bible doesn't use the word interdimensional, but take the most common example of this. The shepherds on the hills at night saw...
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  a host of angels all of a sudden appear, sing, and then disappear. Interesting. Yes. Where did they go? Did they go up to Mars or Jupiter or Venus or another galaxy? No, they went to another dimension. And like, for instance, if there's dimension right alongside the dimension we are,
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  As Hugh Ross said, they could be, I don't know if I can get this on the screen here, they could be that close to us, and we can't see them because they're in another dimension. And there's countless examples of this in the Bible. The angels that visited Lot
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  Where did they come from? Where did they go to? The angel that picked up Philip from the desert when he was sharing and taking him back to where he was, where did he come from? Where did he go to? I mean, they can transition between three dimensions and a higher dimension, possibly even immediately. It's a little hard to conceive this.
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  But there's some examples. Yes. I mean, it makes sense. Go ahead. Let me give an example. Like, if you've seen the film The Last Action Hero,
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  Okay. You have Arnold Schwarzenegger is on movie two dimensional movie screen, taking out the bad guys. There's a little boy in the theater watching this in three dimensional space. At a certain point in the story, Schwarzenegger comes out of the two dimensional movie screen, talks to the boy and the boy and Arnold go back into a two dimensional movie screen, you know, and, and basically he,
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  What we have is angels, maybe six-dimensional angels, that are coming into three-dimensional space and going back. We can't do that. We are limited. And the people who study these spacecraft say that they do not follow our laws of physics. They can, like I said, go faster than we can go. They can then just disappear. They do not have a sonic boom when they enter our atmosphere.
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  We can't do that. They don't have a jet propulsion flame at the back. We can't do that. They're using other physics that we don't have. And so basically, I believe that they are interdimensional beings. And when you're talking about interdimensional beings, you're talking about God. You're talking about heaven. You're talking about angels.
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  And these are fallen angels. And I spent a whole chapter in the book talking about holy angels, falling angels. The Bible talks a lot more about holy angels, but you can assume that fallen angels would have most of the same abilities. Perhaps not all, because they're fallen. Maybe they've lost some of those abilities, but they are very deceptive. Okay, let me backtrack one. Just give me this a second. How do you know they're not fallen?
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  coming from a foreign galaxy. Because the things that they lie to you, they tell you, oh, we're from the moon. We're from Venus. We're from Mars. We're from Jupiter. We're from the Zeta Reticula galaxy or star system. And basically, how do you know that's not possible? Well, Hugh Ross at Reasons to Believe completely destroys these. He's an astrophysicist. And this whole organization does three things. I wish I could go in more detail on the book. First of all, there's no other planet like Earth. Yeah.
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  For many years, people thought there's got to be billions of planets just like Earth, you know, a certain distance from the star that they circle. Well, he brings up there's 14 highly tuned constants that are off just a little bit
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  life, advanced life is not, for instance, the tilt of the earth, for example, the moon system that we have, the certain distance, certain circulation, the asteroid belt, the fact that there's, what is 90, 80% nitrogen, 20% oxygen. If a lot of these ratios were just off by a little bit,
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  It wouldn't be able to support life. That really, Earth is very unique. It's possible there's billions of planets out there, and there's no one like Earth. And even if there was, it might be on the other side of a 100 billion light year galaxy that we'd never connect with them. That's the second reason. They can't travel.
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  The fastest we could travel is the speed of light, and we can't even travel the speed of light. We don't have the energy to do that. Even if we could travel one-tenth the speed of light, the space dust would tear whatever ship we build to pieces. It wouldn't get there. The other thing is just to get to the – what is it –
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  Andromeda Alpha Centauri, which is the closest star to us. 4.3 light years. A light year is the distance light travels in a year, which is about 6 trillion miles. Okay. Okay.
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  That's a lot. And I calculated that the Voyager 1 spacecraft, Voyager 2, travel about 38,000 miles an hour when they're in space and there's no friction. Traveling at 38,000 miles an hour, do you know how long it would take to get to the Alpha Centauri? No. No.
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  75,000 years. Oh, my goodness. And even if you go 10 times that fast, it would be 7.5 thousand years. Now you say, well, Star Trek says you can go 10 times the speed of light. Well, that's fiction. I mean, you know, as a writer, I come up with all kinds of ideas just to see what would happen if you did this. And so, yeah, so, I mean, basically, but there's no way we can do that. The last thing is evolution. At Reasons to Believe, they also said evolution,
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  Mathematicians have been tapping evolutionary biologists on the shoulder for like decades and saying, guys, this evolution by chance and time just doesn't work. It doesn't work. And they did a calculation at Reasons to Believe that just to get one simple bacterium, not even advanced life, simple bacterium. Yeah.
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  The odds are 10 to the 556 power to one. That's 10 followed by 556 zeros to one. Okay. By comparison, to win the California state lottery, you just need 10 to the ninth power to one. What a bargain. You know, I mean, it's like literally, so simply because of,
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  the distance to travel, there's no planet like Earth, and evolution by chance just couldn't, and even if it did happen, maybe it happens on the other edge of the universe, which is 100 billion light years wide, you know, so I think you're not going to have these beings popping back and forth. And frankly, even your UFO people today are saying, you know, I think that maybe you're
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  It's interdimensional beings. And maybe they're not traveling to Earth. Maybe they've been here all along.
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  And so, you know, there's this thing. And if they've been here all along, well, we, you know, as Christians, we believe that Satan was here in the Garden of Eden, you know, and there's obviously when Daniel was fighting, it was talking to a holy angel. They were talking about fighting unholy angels here on earth. So, you know, and now obviously I'm giving a very brief overview of this.
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  In the book, I go into more detail if you're one of the detailed people. So I give a lot of footnotes, a lot of examples, a lot of quotes from the Bible. And so basically, but let me just give one more thing. So some people say, well, okay, maybe God created interdimensional beings, and maybe that's what they are. They're not evil beings. They're not evil angels. Well, the Bible gives us tests.
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  The Apostle John says, test the spirit because not every spirit is of God. Okay? And there's two tests. One is the doctrinal test. The Apostle John says, those who do not say Jesus came in the flesh are not of God. The Apostle Paul says, if even an angel teaches a different gospel than the one we taught you, let him be accursed. That's the doctrinal test. And these beings do not pass that test. They deny that there's a personal God.
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  I mean, people who've telepathically talked, communicate with them, they deny since it's a God force, you can't sin against a force. Therefore, there's no sin. Therefore, there's no judgment day. Therefore, there's no need for a savior, Jesus Christ. And Jesus is just an ascended guru with a lot of good ideas. And the way to improve in life is reincarnation.
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  I mean, it's almost straight out of the New Age handbook is what they're teaching. The second test is Jesus. And you all know this. It says the fruits test. A bad tree cannot produce good fruit. And these beings produce bad fruits. Yeah.
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  We give example after example of lives that have been destroyed by connecting with these beings or even simply stopping and watching UFOs. I mean, they destroy people's lives. We interviewed a guy. He lost his...
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  Bought his family, he lost his job, he lost his finances. And, you know, basically he realized this was terrible. And other beings, there's countless examples of people who said they've been taken up in these spaceships, whether it's just mentally or whether it actually happens.
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  The point is they are probed, they are experimented on. Women and men have their genitals fooled with. I mean, there's stories about this. Wow. You know, so literally you can't, and even people who've just...
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  had a, you know, what they call close encounters, the first kind. They've seen something with 500 feet. They stopped. They looked at an UFF. Not everybody, but a lot of them. There's a study online that was done by the U.S. government. You know, headaches, fever, nosebleed, heart palpitations, burned skin, nightmares, brain problems, paralysis, perceived time loss, temporary blindness. I mean, I can go on for another 15 things. So these are not friendly beings.
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  Their fruits are bad fruits. Their doctrine's bad doctrines. And the thing that's so scary about the Steven Spielberg film is that they whitewash the whole thing. They say that— We need to wrap it up, and I would love to have you back on. The book is out in August. People can preorder it now at UFOsandgodbook.com.
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  and his website, Derek's website is winterstarproductions.com. Derek, if we could get you back in August before the book comes out. This just went by way too fast, but it's so important for the body of Christ. We weren't ready for this conversation, but we need to know how to respond. God bless you. Thanks so much for your research and for your time today. Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. God bless you, friends. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.