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The Father's Temple · Urantia Radio

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  My interview with Joseph Morgan is pretty spectacular.
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  I think you're going to really enjoy it.
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  Welcome to another edition of the Rancho Radio podcast.
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  We're going to cover a lot of different subject matter about
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  the revelation. Of course, we'll also get to
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  know Joseph Morgan and some of his interesting contributions
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  and stories of his life in in the particularly New Orleans and
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  other projects that he's gone on to explore that are just
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  fascinating. So we learn about also the UFO
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  connection to the Urantia book, and perhaps even for the first
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  time, we'll delve into some deep metaphysical concepts that
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  Joseph shares with us in this wonderful interview.
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  So I look forward to you listening.
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  And we also want to remind you that though we never asked for
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  financial support, we always ask that you share the podcast or an
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  episode with those who you believe are fellow seekers of
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  truth. It's the sole reason that we do
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  these podcasts. And in the coming weeks we have
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  some exciting guest planned, including the creators of
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  Urantia Pedia and the author of a great new book that I highly
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  recommend called The Case for the Urantia Book.
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  And I hope to have Ryan McGuire on real soon as we continue with
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  the Urantia Radio Podcast. You will have a fascinating
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  life, there's no question. And one of the things I want to
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  talk to you about is this Father's temple that you
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  created, that you designed and built.
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  We'll get into the history of that.
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  So it's good to have you on the Rancho Radio podcast.
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  And I want to also talk to you about thought adjusters because
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  we spent a little time before the the interview.
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  So how are you? And I don't even know where to
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  begin. Let's begin with your journey
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  with the Urantia book. How did you become a Urantia
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  book reader? How did you discover the book?
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  After the Superdome project, I was, I was believing the tension
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  of, of raising, you know, that kind of money and building that
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  kind of one-of-a-kind building on earth.
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  And I was, I was always at the podium.
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  I was in front of the state seal and on TVA lot.
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  And no matter where I went in New Orleans, I couldn't go
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  anywhere unless, you know, I have a huge crowd of people
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  around me and all of them with their palms up because we had a
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  couple of we had a couple of billion dollars in our checking
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  account and everybody wanted it. And so I, I decided to relieve
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  the tension by canoeing great white water rivers in the
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  country. And one of them was the Buffalo
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  River here in Arkansas, which had just been made and was the
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  3rd nation's first national river.
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  The whole river is a National Park.
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  And it's, it's got some of the best white water, you know,
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  canoeing, rafting and kayaking in the country.
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  And at certain times it's class 5.
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  That's what I was looking for. I was doing that and I was at, I
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  was at the airport one day and on my way to Oregon to a canoe,
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  the Rogue River, tough river out in Oregon.
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  And I've. Been on it, yeah.
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  You've been on the road with the giant Bluffs and all that, A.
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  Good friend of mine also took me fishing one time on that river.
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  It's outside of Grants Pass and kind of wiggles its way up near
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  Crater Lake. Kind of.
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  Yeah. It's very interesting.
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  Beautiful place, too. Very beautiful.
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  It is. And anyway, so the, the the guy
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  that was was talking to me was a descendant of PGT Beauregard,
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  who was our neighbor. That was the next plantation
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  down. And as you know, PGT Beauregard,
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  he was a general in the Confederate Army and and one of
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  his descendants said to me, what are you doing going out West?
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  You know, you, you really, you know, need to do this in the
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  South. And I said, well, there's no
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  fast rivers down here. He said, oh, yeah, there is.
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  There's one called the Buffalo River and it's a long drive and
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  no airplanes in there. You just have to do it.
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  Dirt roads and And so I did and found it at flood stage and did
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  it about 6 times in one day from Boxley to Ponca to famous places
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  on the river and they just literally fell in love with the
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  place. And.
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  And I was sitting at a place called Lost Valley, and the
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  father of the Buffalo River, Doctor Neil Compton, was sitting
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  next to me. And we were talking about the
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  the difficulties it is that way you encounter when you're doing
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  such a huge project like he was doing.
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  And then I had just done. And I don't know, we got into
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  kind of a cosmic conversation about how there was some inner
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  spirit directing us and all that.
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  And then we talked about universal law, and he talked
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  about universal law. And I said, well, what who could
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  know about universal law? And he said, well, there's a guy
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  up this Creek. He has a book that talks about
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  universal law. And I said, we have to beat
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  other planets to know anything like that.
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  And he said, well, there's a book.
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  This course is on all that. And so he sent me up this up
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  this Creek to go see this guy. And as I approached him, as I
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  approached the house, there was a bridge, a walking bridge from
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  one side of the Creek to the other.
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  He came across. And he was holding this big
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  book. And without even introducing
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  myself, he said, I've been waiting for you.
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  And I said, well, why? He says, I've known you were
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  coming because I'm going to give you this book.
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  And after you read it, thousands upon thousands of people will be
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  transformed. And and I said do tell.
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  And so he gave me the book. And so, you know, for the next,
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  I guess, 90 days or so, I read it and that, and that's how I
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  got it in an unusual set of circumstances And, and being APR
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  guy and a, you know, publicist and all that public relations, I
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  just wondered why in the world had nobody propagated this
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  message? It was obviously a divine
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  message. And so on to Chicago.
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  I went to 533 diverse a Parkway and I walked in, I said, where's
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  the PR department? And they said we don't have 1.
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  And I said, well, what's going on?
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  It's the greatest message that's ever been put on this planet.
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  It's the 5th epochal revelation in the same, you know, vein of
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  Jesus and Melchizedek and Adam and Eve and others.
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  I said, you know, needs to be out there.
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  And they said, oh, no, the mandate said we should do it
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  mouth to mouth. I said, well, OK.
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  And that's so that's, that's what they told me.
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  And because I didn't listen and I went on by trying to publicize
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  the book, which was, you know, the difficult, very difficult.
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  But finally I found an audience in 1997 at the 50th anniversary
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  of Roswell. I found a receptive audience
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  there. And well, everybody there had,
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  you know, trinkets and trash, little spaceships and all that.
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  And we had a book that was translated in five or six other
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  languages. And we had a dancing group and
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  they sang Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft and we had
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  flutes. And April was April hell.
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  And my daughter was dressed in a black suit with the three
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  concentric circles. So it was an extraordinary
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  thing. And, and course the world media
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  was there and they didn't have anything to write about.
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  And so they all came to our booth.
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  And so I just continued to do interviews and and film things.
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  And there was a little man standing there and with his
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  obviously his son, he looked a lot like him.
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  And his name, his name was Lieutenant Colonel Corso.
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  And he waited patiently after I did all the interviews.
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  And then he he came up to me and he said what you say is
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  absolutely true. And I said, well, how would you
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  know? He said, well, when we shot down
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  the ships at Roswell, I said, oh, you shot him down.
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  And I said, yeah, we shot him down.
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  It was the most secure place on earth.
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  This is the only place where they had nuclear bombers.
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  And so nothing was getting in there and then.
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  And so we shot them down and, and when they crash, we
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  extracted the technology. We had a German team that came
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  in on Operation Paper Clip and it had been a crash in the Black
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  Forest in Germany and they had extracted the technology out of
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  the crash in Germany in 1933. Von Ron was there.
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  I've seen pictures of him in the, you know, where the ship is
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  in the woods, and he's standing there smoking his pipe.
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  And so after the war, they brought in all these German
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  scientists into America. And Lieutenant Colonel Corso
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  knew it. And so he gathered them up that
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  they had already had experience of pulling technology off of a
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  off of a alien ship. And so we brought them in into
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  Roswell and they worked on all that technology extraction and,
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  you know, little things like binary information and retrieval
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  system, you know, that is computers and, and, and many
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  other things that that they extracted.
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  And he told me that they would literally just put them on
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  defense contractors desk in the middle of the night to just put
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  them there. Fiber optics, night vision, all
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  that stuff came right out of the those crashes at Roswell.
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  And so I said, well, so you So you're telling me that the
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  inhabitants of those crafts confirm what this book says?
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  And he said, yeah, they did. They do.
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  And so he was dying, and he felt like he could finally talk.
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  And so. He was literally dying like he
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  was sick. Yes, he was, he was, yeah, he
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  was sick. Well, he's old, very old, you
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  know, and, and he was, you know, on his way out, his son was with
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  him kind of holding him up. And.
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  And so, yeah, he's been on TV and everything with all this.
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  And so anyway, I didn't need, I didn't need him to confirm,
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  confirm this. But I do have a question.
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  And this would have been around, what, 47?
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  I mean, when he went through that, isn't that the period?
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  He. So the book was already, I think
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  the plates were struck in 42 or something like that.
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  I'm talking about the Donnelly R&R Donnelly plates of the
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  Urantia book. The text had been completed in
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  35. So was this this
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  extraterrestrial communicating with the Earthlings that had
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  shot them down and said? That's what he said.
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  That's what he said. And he was there and he was one
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  of the highest, had one of the highest intelligence ratings,
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  you know, in the government, higher than the president
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  Majestic, I think they call it. And, and yeah, he was, he was a
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  bona fide, he was a real deal. And, and, and I just said, well,
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  you know, I don't really need you to tell me.
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  I already know it because the divine spirit that lives within
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  me already told me that. But I'm glad to confirm it with
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  you. And, and so, but you know, we
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  had, we did a lot of interviews and got it all over the world.
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  I remember they took a picture of us and, and, and sent it
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  immediately to the New York Times.
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  And we had never seen anything like that that wasn't invented
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  yet. They were the first and, and all
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  of a sudden our picture was in the New York Times, you know,
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  instantly. And I thought that was, I
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  thought journalism is changing fast.
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  And so anyway, it was a terrific experience.
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  And we got the message out and it sold a lot of books.
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  And we at first got a letter from the foundation complaining
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  about it and all that. And then we got another letter
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  saying, oh, thank you. You know, our sales have gone.
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  You know, we've sold more books than ever.
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  And I said, well, publicity doesn't hurt.
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  And then when we were there, NBC was there and I think they own
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  the Sci-fi Channel, and they were doing a documentary on
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  alien gods, you know, groups that that talked about aliens,
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  divine, you know, divine talked about creatures that were from
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  divine sources and different groups.
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  And they gave us 13 minutes to explain.
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  I always dreamt of being able to explain the ascension plan, you
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  know, to a national audience. And sure enough, the Sci-fi
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  Channel broadcast it, and we got that 13 minutes on there.
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  And of course, right after I said in my spiel about eternal
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  life and planetary successions, the they brought out a Jewish, a
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  Jewish guy, a rabbi, A rabbi, A rabbi, Yeah.
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  And he said, oh, it's too easy. It's too easy.
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  Just have faith. Oh, no, that's all you've got to
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  have sacrifice, you know, blah, blah.
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  But anyway, we got it out there and it was it was, you know,
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  really a great account you. Don't happen to have a copy of
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  of that by any chance that you could send my way, do you?
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  You know, I it was done on one of these.
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  What do they call those things? That they were the big box type?
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  Yeah, the film. Well, yeah, it was.
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  What do they call them? Not DVD's. 8mm no.
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  You know, it's yeah, the kind, you know, the first ones we had
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  when you stuck them in the machine.
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  Yeah, I guess it'd be. Free the little box.
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  Yeah, that's right, VHS. VHS.
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  Yeah, I got it on VHS, but I've never, I've never moved it to CD
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  Well. I am Avhs player so but we could
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  talk about. That oh, you do.
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  Yeah, I do. OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got
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  it. Janet just happened to come in
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  and she never turns the television on and she turned it
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  on and there was April, you know, doing the intro to the
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  whole thing. And so.
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  Yeah. And, and I was sponsored by, you
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  know, all the big car companies, Mercedes-Benz and everything.
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  Anyway, they did that one and it was very controversial.
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  And then the next one was who killed Kennedy?
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  And then that was it. sci-fi never did documentaries ever
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  again, I guess, you know, the pressure was too great.
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  Yeah. And, And so they it was gone.
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  But anyway, it it that was another feature of our Roswell
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  visit, although it took five years for it to actually be
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  broadcast. I've been trying to make the
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  connection to the ufologist and I've had great conversations
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  with the people, Joel Garvin being one of them.
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  He also, he did a PowerPoint and went to a Ufology convention and
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  he is a technician by trade and I think he's an electrical
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  engineer or something. But anyway, very smart man, not
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  easily fooled. And he went to a, a ufology
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  convention and did a PowerPoint on the Urantia book.
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  And he said that he, he was met favorably.
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  And, and I've used this, this podcast on a number of
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  occasions, you know, to explain to people that this so-called
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  extraterrestrial intelligence is, is not extraterrestrial in
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  the physical sense, but is, is probably guided by the spiritual
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  or the seraphic elements of the universe.
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  And I, I don't, I don't think that's not true based on what I
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  read, But I still don't know what the connection is between
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  like the Grays, you know, and all the various.
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  I, I think Joel, maybe some somebody else said that, that
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  maybe these are robots that. They're sending yes, I, I, I, I
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  absolutely agree with that, that they are the robots and which
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  which astounding is that the bosses that order these robots
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  around look like they're about 8 to 10 foot tall and they are,
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  you know, they look like a giant praying mantis actually.
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  And so yeah, those are the bosses.
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  And I got that from interview. I did an interview I saw with a
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  professor who claimed to be abducted, I think she was from
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  Berkeley. And they gave her all kind of
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  lie detector tests and she passed them all.
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  And she said when they put her on the table, we'll do a few
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  medical experiments, The little graves, we're doing everything.
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  But when she looked back, she saw these praying mantises
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  creatures giving the orders. And so, and then we've seen them
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  here. We have these huge caverns here
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  in, in Arkansas. Mystic Caverns is the name of
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  the place that they seem to always be going to and leaving
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  from. And they have giant rooms that
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  are just, you know, buried inside a mountain that no one's
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  probably ever been to. And that's where they, you know,
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  the eyewitnesses. I'm not one of them, but I've
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  talked to people who've seen them and I said, well, man, why
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  didn't you report that? You know, these are hillbillies
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  and they just kind of said, well, you know, they're not
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  hurting us. They're not going to report
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  them. They're not bothering us.
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  You. Know we've seen enough sci-fi
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  films to know what happens I mean army shows up and they
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  bring their bazookas and you know it is it kind of reminds me
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  of child childhood end which is AI think it might be Ray
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  Bradbury could be somebody else but it's a story about how these
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  saviors come and they they basically save humanity but we
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  don't see them they won't disclose what they look like and
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  I don't want to give away but let's just say that the when
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  they finally do reveal themselves everyone realizes
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  it's a good thing they didn't do it previous because everybody
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  would have been afraid of them because of the way they.
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  Look, scared to death. Yeah, I have a very close friend
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  who is your anti book believer who's been, you know, I'd say
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  maybe 20 feet from them. He's about to do a stop sign and
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  in that area I'm talking about and, and all of a sudden 1, he
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  saw the shadow on the stop sign, which makes you have to be
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  pretty tall. And then you saw them and he
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  never could find anything on them, but found these guys who
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  were squirrel hunting in Georgia and where it went into this
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  clearing and then saw one and they ran, ran away.
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  And then the next thing I saw was this is on The History
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  Channel, this woman being interviewed about them and, and
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  they were talking about them. And then just recently, someone
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  sent me a you know what remote viewers are?
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  Oh sure, this is something the CIA was investigating back in
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  the 60s. Remote viewing.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, they wired, they would wire these, they would
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  wire these people who could do that together and they would be
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  able to find out what was going on.
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  It's sort of like a midway or thing, you know, because it's
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  always good when you're in intelligence to not be seen.
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  And and so anyway that that's, and I don't know if you've ever
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  read it, but the book by Jim Marrs, who was a real
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  journalist, he wrote, he wrote KFK and the one they did the
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  movie on, and then he wrote Alien Agenda and a lot of that
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  is in there. And so it's very interesting.
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  And then, but the reason I mentioned remote viewers is
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  someone sent me a thing on these remote viewers who were not told
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  anything about the Urantia book. They just they were told that
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  this thing message was coming in in Chicago and early 1900s and
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  you know, they gave them the location and all that.
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  And I didn't know they could go back in time.
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  But according to this thing, they remote viewers can go back
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  in time. And what they said was
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  absolutely astounding because they said they could see the
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  praying mantis type creatures that were around the where the
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  book was actually created, you know, where Sadler was Sadler
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  and Christy. And so, you know, I've never
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  seen them, but you know, I've seen enough to believe that they
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  exist. And that's what they look like.
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  And so anyway, they're friendly. They're not.
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  They're not mean. They're not giant grasshoppers
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  ready to snap our heads off, are they?
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  No, no, nothing like that. Nothing like that.
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  Do you think? Do you think the material sons
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  and daughters, the Adam and Eve's, do they look humanoid?
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  Do you think they must? Right.
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  I mean it. When Adam and Eve came here, our
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  material son and daughter, they obviously reconstructed bodies.
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  But did they look like they did back home?
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  Mean when they got here, Yeah, in other.
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  Words. How are we talking?
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  About the Kalagastra 100, they didn't even have no.
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  Not them, but no, this. I'm talking about Adam and Eve.
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  The question is how do you think that the material sons and
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  daughters will appear to us when we go to Jerusalem?
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  Will they look human like? Us, they'll appear.
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  They'll, they will appear to us like humanoids, I think, you
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  know, whatever, whatever the, whatever the, the, the creatures
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  that live on Jerusalem look like, that's what they'll look
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  like. That's what I think.
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  I wonder if the phrase in his image pertain pertains to a
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  certain model, if you will, of of of ascended beings.
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  You know, I'm just curious about that.
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  Just something to think about. Uh huh.
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  Never contemplated it, but. Yeah.
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  I mean, will we, will we be shocked?
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  We'll be pleased or will it take quite of an adjustment?
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  Well, you know, well, let's let's look at it.
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  They're not going to be, you know, blood and guts people like
• 24:33
  we are. You know, they're not going to
• 24:35
  be that way. We light creatures, illuminated
• 24:39
  light creatures. And and so that's what I think
• 24:43
  they're going to be like on the 1st mansion world.
• 24:45
  They'll be they'll be light creatures.
• 24:47
  They won't have, you know, they'll be like Jesus was when
• 24:51
  he came back and, and, and saw Mary, although they didn't
• 24:55
  manipulate him to make him look human.
• 24:58
  He, he was, he did go to the mansion world, mention world #1
• 25:03
  where there's a monument and then you turn here.
• 25:07
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so.
• 25:10
  So let's go back to the PR. You said you went to the
• 25:14
  Foundation on Diversity and you said where's the PR department?
• 25:17
  And they said we don't have one. Do you think that was a bad
• 25:20
  move, A good move? The mandate?
• 25:22
  Do you believe the mandate said mouth to mouth in the beginning?
• 25:26
  Are are we, should we be proudly proclaiming the Urantia book
• 25:29
  now? Oh.
• 25:31
  I think it's, it's, it's time to do it.
• 25:33
  It's already happening, isn't it?
• 25:35
  All over the world. Oh, yeah.
• 25:37
  And because of because of what's online and everything, you know,
• 25:40
  people can have access to it and.
• 25:42
  I I do want to, I will tell you that I'm impressed by the
• 25:47
  writing, the secondary works that have come out in the last
• 25:50
  20 years. During the 80s, I didn't see
• 25:53
  that much. I'm not sure why.
• 25:56
  The writing, since you mentioned the writing, the the writing in
• 26:01
  the Urantia book is the finest word structure performance in
• 26:07
  the history of this world. There's nothing even close to
• 26:12
  the way the midwayers and others and you know, the midwares,
• 26:17
  they're not really extraterrestrials.
• 26:19
  They're just invisible eternal creatures that are living here
• 26:26
  and we're eyewitnesses to Jesus appearances.
• 26:31
  And just when you read the word structure and the mechanics of
• 26:38
  writing, it's no human could do it.
• 26:41
  I think I remember Doctor Sadler telling me that, I mean, telling
• 26:47
  his son Sadler Junior, he told me the story that he went to
• 26:50
  Oklahoma City and he, it was the first study group, you know,
• 26:53
  outside of Chicago. And he went there with a big
• 26:57
  crowd. And then one of the people there
• 27:00
  claimed that he wrote it Sadler. And Sadler said, hey, that's the
• 27:06
  greatest compliment anyone ever paid me.
• 27:08
  You know, I know I did not write it, but, you know, you know that
• 27:12
  they had, they had Houdini come in.
• 27:17
  He was living in Chicago when it came in.
• 27:20
  Sadler, you know, he was the biggest skeptic of anybody.
• 27:23
  And he brought Houdini in to watch the pencil writing on the
• 27:28
  yellow eagle pad and with no one holding the pencil.
• 27:34
  And, you know, that's what happened.
• 27:37
  And, and he came in and tried to bust it and said, I can't, it's
• 27:43
  got to be real. And so that that was, that was a
• 27:47
  pretty interesting thing. And then, of course, when I was
• 27:50
  going to Chicago, the big thing then was to should we, should we
• 27:55
  translate it or not? You know, and I happen to be
• 28:00
  there at Lake Forest, IL when that decision was made.
• 28:05
  I think I even, I mean, another guy cast the deciding votes to
• 28:09
  go ahead and translate it into Spanish.
• 28:14
  And then because we help finance it too.
• 28:16
  And that was very expensive. And so you have to get people
• 28:20
  who know both languages and also are very spiritual.
• 28:23
  So it can be. And then, you know, now it's,
• 28:28
  it's the hottest place in the world is South America and
• 28:33
  Central. America.
• 28:35
  When they translated it, one of the I can't remember his name, I
• 28:39
  have it here, but he he was the most famous writer in all of
• 28:46
  South America. He sold.
• 28:47
  Many. Books and then he ran he ran
• 28:50
  into the rancher book and starting writing novels about
• 28:55
  Jesus children and all I mean Jesus brothers and sisters and
• 29:01
  all these unknown things about about Jesus and and other
• 29:07
  things. And he became, you know, he used
• 29:09
  to become a best seller down there.
• 29:11
  And then he would do interviews and they would ask him where he
• 29:14
  get it from. And then he would say the what
• 29:17
  was it? Laurentia du Libra, you know,
• 29:20
  your inch book. And and so anyway, that's that's
• 29:28
  why it got so popular, because an already popular person
• 29:33
  started writing about it, writing novels about it.
• 29:36
  And it was so very interesting. You know what he wrote.
• 29:39
  And you know, I understand that even the Pope who just died
• 29:46
  actually inquired about it. And because his main priests
• 29:52
  were having a conference every week about it.
• 29:55
  So he felt like he ought to know.
• 29:56
  And so he went to it and, and, and listened to it.
• 30:00
  And of course much of it is about was about, you know, world
• 30:04
  government. And, you know, that's what in
• 30:06
  his papacy, he he continued to, he continued to repeat the the
• 30:15
  goal of world government. And of course, you know, not the
• 30:18
  kind of government that the World Economic Forum would
• 30:22
  produce, but, you know, a superior one.
• 30:25
  You mean the one where we where we own nothing and are happy
• 30:28
  that that that vision? That vision, right?
• 30:33
  That vision. But we're all eating locusts.
• 30:36
  Yeah, Yeah, exactly, exactly right.
• 30:39
  Yeah, that that kind of vision. And they just put the head of
• 30:41
  Black Rock in charge of that, too.
• 30:43
  Great. Guy named Fink.
• 30:45
  Guy named. Larry, Larry Fink.
• 30:47
  Yeah, from Oracle. Oracle.
• 30:49
  Do you think there's a benevolent force working against
• 30:52
  the Urantia book right now? Not benevolent.
• 30:55
  I'm I'm. Convinced.
• 30:58
  I'm I'm convinced of it. Because it should be out there
• 31:01
  by now. I, I'm surprised.
• 31:02
  I mean, if Scientology has had this long of a run, you know,
• 31:06
  and I'm. Not well, you know, the
• 31:08
  Christian population or, or very fundamentalist and, and they all
• 31:13
  believe in the atonement doctrine.
• 31:15
  You know, Paul's version of reality and and since the
• 31:21
  eventual book is very plain that, you know, Jesus didn't die
• 31:24
  for anyone's sins, but you can't do that.
• 31:27
  No one can die for someone else's sins.
• 31:30
  You have to do it yourself and and so.
• 31:36
  Why is that so important to the? What is it?
• 31:39
  Is it about this need to be? I have a theory.
• 31:43
  I'll run it by you. You tell me what you think, but
• 31:46
  that I had a problem with. I actually during the process of
• 31:49
  the Urantia book and whether to accept its authenticity and its
• 31:55
  credibility because I had been raised a Christian and it was
• 31:58
  part of the the culture to accept that Jesus laid his life
• 32:02
  down for your sins and for you to be forgiven.
• 32:07
  And I accepted that without question.
• 32:10
  And so that created a bit of consternation for me because I
• 32:15
  had to make a choice. If I believe this book was
• 32:18
  authentic and credible, and it was telling me something that
• 32:21
  was contrary to a concept that I had accepted long ago, it was
• 32:27
  very hard to reconcile it. And I think the Urantia book
• 32:30
  does reconcile it. I can't remember the paper.
• 32:34
  Well, I can tell you how it reconciles it.
• 32:37
  You know, we we're so ethnocentric, we think it's all
• 32:40
  about Earth and Jesus has 3.8 million inhabited worlds who are
• 32:45
  all tuned in to his life here. And so basically what he was
• 32:50
  doing, of course he was laying, laying down his life was trusted
• 32:54
  friends, the greatest thing you can do.
• 32:56
  And but in addition to that, he was, he was behaving with an
• 33:01
  audience of trillions of ascenders.
• 33:05
  And his goal was to live a perfect life under just
• 33:12
  incredible, an incredible resistance.
• 33:18
  And, and it was for it was for those trillions of people who
• 33:24
  were looking on because whoever was on the margin of giving up
• 33:28
  the fight of faith, they could never say, oh, the creator
• 33:32
  doesn't know what we're going through because look what he
• 33:36
  went through. You know what I'm saying?
• 33:39
  I sure do. Yeah.
• 33:42
  And so it was, it was to help all those people who were ready
• 33:46
  to give up the the fight for faith and with the, with the
• 33:51
  opinion that, you know, the, the creator doesn't know the Creator
• 33:55
  Son doesn't know what we're going through.
• 33:56
  Well, no one's going through what he did.
• 33:59
  So that throws a whole, you know, obstacle in front of
• 34:05
  anybody trying to justify their lack of faith for that.
• 34:10
  And that, that was really it. And of course, he, he left the
• 34:16
  spirit of truth and idealistic beauty.
• 34:19
  People forget about that, that he left that.
• 34:22
  And then he left 12 legions of angels who who all have
• 34:29
  different functions. And then of course the 12th
• 34:32
  group is what they call the Angels of the Angels.
• 34:37
  And they are in communication with the midwares and the
• 34:45
  midwares are in communication with the Reserve Corps of
• 34:49
  Destiny. And they are the guarantors of
• 34:55
  guarantees against surprise and the disaster.
• 34:59
  And so that's the three steps that it takes to to get things
• 35:07
  done here with the 1111 invisible creatures called the
• 35:14
  mid wares. And, and they're in position to
• 35:17
  stop any of this and anything that's going on.
• 35:20
  And, you know, their, their goal is not to promote the
• 35:24
  nationalism of some country or some political viewpoint.
• 35:28
  Their, their, their job is to make, make keep the planet
• 35:33
  inhabitable. And you don't want to have any
• 35:36
  nuclear bombs going off because, you know, that's, that makes it
• 35:42
  uninhabitable. And that's not what they want.
• 35:44
  And then, and I'm sure that the celestial beings that oversee
• 35:50
  this world don't want to go to Jesus and say, Hey, hey,
• 35:54
  Michael, you know, we blew it. Your planets blown up.
• 35:59
  So they're going to do anything and everything to not have to do
• 36:03
  that. Galantia and Galvania, 2 of the
• 36:07
  very highest creatures in the universe, who, when Jesus is
• 36:14
  busy and can't be somewhere, he sends Gabriel.
• 36:18
  Well, if there's another event going on simultaneously, you
• 36:21
  know, Jesus has a lot of power, but he doesn't have the power to
• 36:24
  be in two places at one time. So whenever there's a major
• 36:28
  thing going on, he'll send Gabriel.
• 36:30
  But then if there's another one that erupts the brilliant
• 36:33
  evening stars, they're the ones who attended and they represent
• 36:38
  Jesus and, and, and normally they never, ever go out into
• 36:43
  these far reaches of the Super universes.
• 36:46
  They, they, they stick to the higher levels, but they're
• 36:50
  stationed on Jerusalem, Galvania and Galantia.
• 36:54
  And, and I believe in that they're there in order to give a
• 36:59
  Direct Line of communication to the planetary Prince who's
• 37:02
  Jesus, who's involved in many other things, But you know,
• 37:06
  that's his, this was his home at one time.
• 37:09
  And and so full faith that they, they will not fail because their
• 37:16
  motto is what the United Midwayers of Urantia say they
• 37:23
  do, they do. They've never failed.
• 37:27
  And and so that alone should give you faith, but that that
• 37:32
  sequence goes from the Super angels that Jesus trained and
• 37:36
  left here, then to the midwayers and then to the reserve corps
• 37:40
  destiny. And that's how this whole place
• 37:44
  is kept afloat, you know, without being destroyed by these
• 37:47
  maniacs. Remember I was telling you about
• 37:50
  the, the, the Berkeley professor who was abducted and well, I
• 37:58
  think after a medical thing, they, they brought her into this
• 38:02
  room with a table, 2 chairs. And one of the chairs was
• 38:06
  occupied by humanoid alien. And he said to her, he and she
• 38:11
  passed all the lie detector tests on this.
• 38:13
  So I think it's probably the truth.
• 38:16
  And he said to her, you know, I monitor 1000 worlds and this is
• 38:21
  the only world inhabited worlds that the only world that does
• 38:27
  two things, very dangerous things.
• 38:30
  You put the energy of the world in the hands of private
• 38:35
  industry. That's the first one.
• 38:37
  And the second one is you give Earth destroying, potentially
• 38:41
  Earth destroying weapons into the hands of radical religious
• 38:45
  groups. And he wanted to know from her,
• 38:47
  why in the hell would they do that?
• 38:50
  Because no, all other 999 he supervises, they don't do that.
• 38:56
  That's too crazy. And so she couldn't answer him.
• 38:58
  You know, she just couldn't answer him.
• 39:00
  And and that's what he wanted to know.
• 39:02
  And it's very interesting part. And then of course, these are
• 39:08
  the guys that rate the planets. And and of course, you're aware
• 39:12
  that one of the main barometers of that rating system is
• 39:17
  monogamy. You know, and I think, you know,
• 39:22
  probably that they the way they think they would think.
• 39:26
  Well, if you can't, you know, be be loyal to something you can
• 39:31
  see, how in the world can you be loyal to something you can't see
• 39:35
  like God? And so monogamy is a big, big,
• 39:39
  big, big feature in in the ratings of the progress of the
• 39:45
  other inhabited worlds. That's fascinating.
• 39:49
  I never thought of it that way, but I think you're right.
• 39:51
  I, I, I'm fixated on this essay that someone wrote recently and
• 39:56
  it was published in the Fellowship Journal and it's
• 39:58
  entitled Why Us? In fact, that's the previous
• 40:02
  podcast. If you haven't listened to it,
• 40:03
  it's 5 minutes. I took some creative with it,
• 40:06
  but it's so beautifully written and it poses the question, why
• 40:10
  did why did our world receive so much truth not only in in the
• 40:16
  bestowal sun, but also in the Arantia book?
• 40:19
  And we're being exposed to a level of knowledge that is
• 40:26
  unprecedented. Most worlds might get a little
• 40:30
  bit of what they say. They'll learn a little bit about
• 40:32
  the local universe, maybe even as as high as Edensia, but we've
• 40:37
  been given the whole 9 yards and the author says.
• 40:42
  Jesus is the What does he say? Go ahead.
• 40:44
  Yeah, he just made the claim Jesus was here, He's evaluated
• 40:48
  us, and he thinks that we're ready for it, or he thinks that
• 40:51
  we're capable and I'm just. It's such a wonderful.
• 40:55
  Perspective. That's a good perspective.
• 40:58
  However, I think because he is our planetary Prince, he's our
• 41:04
  planetary Prince. He's creative of the universe
• 41:07
  and planetary Prince of this world.
• 41:09
  And, and he knows we've struck out a few times, you know, I
• 41:13
  mean, there are no other worlds that had a default of the, of
• 41:19
  the, of the, like the Kalagastry group, the 1st, the first
• 41:24
  extraterrestrials that landed and then a failure of the Adam
• 41:28
  and Eve attempt to fix it and then the crucifixion of the
• 41:34
  creator. So he wanted, he was probably
• 41:37
  tired, even said all this stuff about from Galantia and
• 41:41
  Galvania, the brilliant Evening Stars.
• 41:44
  He had been fed all of this information by them.
• 41:46
  And he just probably said, OK, let's just do it.
• 41:50
  We'll put my seal on it and I'll send it down there.
• 41:54
  And I want to that's a great inner, inner way of getting into
• 41:58
  this book that I have in my hand called The Interview with Jesus
• 42:02
  Christ. And I've only, I got to be
• 42:03
  honest with you, I just got it yesterday, so I haven't had a
• 42:05
  chance to read all of it. But it looks like what you did
• 42:09
  was you took all of the information in the Urantia book,
• 42:14
  and it's an interview. Someone's interviewing Jesus,
• 42:17
  and you take what's also, and it's all based on what is
• 42:20
  actually in the Urantia book. Is that pretty fair assessment?
• 42:24
  Yeah. That's a very good assessment.
• 42:27
  And it's kind of, if you had to, if you had to put a modern title
• 42:32
  on it, you'd say it was, it was a Cliff notes of the Urantia
• 42:36
  book because it, it, it gives a history of the world and, and
• 42:41
  his life and clears up a lot of things that, that people are
• 42:44
  confused about. And, and so that's, that's what
• 42:48
  the interview is all about. And, and, you know, we did it
• 42:52
  because we published it, because it was a lot easier than reading
• 42:57
  2000 pages. And, and so that's, that's what
• 43:03
  the interview is all about. Now I'm, I'm, I'm here in my
• 43:07
  home and I'm looking out and I can see the circles.
• 43:10
  And are you aware of the substance that is used?
• 43:17
  You know, all of this is about getting the ticket to eternal
• 43:19
  life, right? OK.
• 43:21
  It's all about the ticket to eternal life.
• 43:24
  All this stuff that we think is important.
• 43:27
  That's what's really important. And how do you get it through
• 43:30
  your motivations, not your accomplishments or your resume.
• 43:34
  You get it through your motivations.
• 43:38
  And if you get the ticket to eternal life and then go through
• 43:43
  what they call detention worlds and my vernacular, that's like
• 43:47
  jails to them. The mansion worlds, you go
• 43:51
  through the seven mansion worlds and then you, you become
• 43:57
  immortalized with the very divine spirit that dwells within
• 44:02
  you now. And right now that divine spirit
• 44:04
  is just riding around with us trying to talk to us and we're
• 44:08
  usually not listening. I can't hear it.
• 44:11
  But after that moment, that's, that's like the most significant
• 44:15
  moment in our career of 570 interplanetary reincarnations.
• 44:22
  That's the moment, the very moment when we become immortal.
• 44:29
  You don't forget that. And, and so that happens on a
• 44:35
  what they call the sea of glass. And what that is, is it's
• 44:40
  constructed of the, the superior energy reflectivity substance in
• 44:47
  all of this universe. And that's quartz crystal.
• 44:51
  And so it's on this giant quartz crystal and a beam comes out of
• 44:58
  out of paradise and immortalizes you.
• 45:03
  You become at one with God literally, and you can't die.
• 45:07
  And so that's and that's all done on this quartz crystal
• 45:12
  field. That's why I have on these
• 45:14
  circles I have placed pretty enormous quartz crystals and
• 45:21
  small ones as well all around it and it because, well, hey,
• 45:28
  that's where they do eternal, you know, they do that on that
• 45:30
  substance. They do eternal life on that
• 45:33
  substance. So it's really nice to have it
• 45:36
  here and we happen to, you know, be a natural place for courts
• 45:40
  and you know, Arkansas is loaded with courts.
• 45:43
  We have courts minds here. That's where I got most of the
• 45:48
  courts from the courts minds. And, and so I've laid these
• 45:55
  quartz crystals out in the circles and I've placed
• 46:00
  spotlights to beam through the courts, which you know, actually
• 46:06
  makes the courts even exponentially stronger.
• 46:10
  And, and then I probably have 200 or so on the railings and,
• 46:15
  and that and, and, and so when you get in the epicenter of the,
• 46:21
  of the circles, your voice is elevated a measured 10 decibels
• 46:29
  with no wires, no amplifiers, nothing, just standing there in
• 46:35
  the dead center of it. And and you know, it's got to
• 46:39
  be, you know, I've always thought, and even when we built
• 46:44
  it, you know, I thought, OK, if Gabriel was holding a flag with
• 46:50
  that, with those circles on it when he Dukes it out with
• 46:54
  Lucifer and they and it is the symbol of the Trinity for the
• 47:01
  for this universe. I knowing Jesus like I do, he
• 47:06
  wouldn't do something that just had form and not function.
• 47:13
  And so that's one of the reasons we built this, this edifice out
• 47:18
  there, the circles, Father's temple.
• 47:21
  Is. To yeah, is to gain access to
• 47:27
  that, to that vibration. And, and, and we have, and
• 47:32
  everyone who goes out there, you know, agrees.
• 47:35
  It's just extraordinary to even musicians, you know, I've had
• 47:39
  some people out there and all, and they, they're just, they're
• 47:42
  just fascinated by it. And so, but when we were
• 47:45
  building it and it was, we were building just the forms.
• 47:49
  And when I, when we finished the last form, this is where the
• 47:53
  rocks and the concrete and all that we're going to go.
• 47:57
  We had not even done that yet. We were just finishing the forms
• 48:01
  and we were staking them in, driving them in with stakes and
• 48:06
  making the circles so we could fill them.
• 48:09
  And on the last, me and a guy who you know, another your
• 48:13
  answer book believer and happened to be Mr. Arkansas at
• 48:17
  the time, very strong. That's why I had him out there.
• 48:20
  And as we finish taking out the form for the inner circle, we
• 48:26
  had our hands on it because we were driving with one hand.
• 48:30
  And both of us, as soon as we connected the circular pattern,
• 48:36
  we felt it and we both looked at each other and went, Oh my God.
• 48:41
  And the forms, the wood that can was going to contain the circles
• 48:48
  became hot to the touch. And then at that moment, at that
• 48:54
  moment we heard sounds that were unmistakably Hawks.
• 48:59
  And we looked up the Hawks had picked up the thermal energy
• 49:06
  from the circles and we're riding those heat currents in
• 49:11
  circles above the circles. And we were, we were just
• 49:15
  absolutely fascinated by that. And I thought, well, OK, there
• 49:20
  it is. It's proof that these circles,
• 49:24
  which represent the Trinity government of all things, they
• 49:27
  not only have form, but they have function and, and that, and
• 49:33
  that function is to transmit energy.
• 49:36
  And so, and then of course, then we built them and then put the
• 49:40
  crystals on them. And it's, it's just been one
• 49:44
  wonderful thing after another. I, I obviously want to see it.
• 49:47
  I'm going to respect your wishes to keep it not public because we
• 49:52
  don't want no. Maybe later people coming.
• 49:57
  Well, now you're did you get the pictures?
• 50:01
  I did. I saw them.
• 50:02
  I I don't get the appreciation for how large this structure
• 50:06
  that you've created the Father's temple.
• 50:08
  I love the. The well, yeah, I I figured that
• 50:10
  because it's out in the woods, it's it's 30 feet in diameter.
• 50:14
  And you have presentations that go on there.
• 50:18
  Do you? Do you do?
• 50:19
  Yeah, we, we've had, we've, yeah, we surely do.
• 50:22
  We, we, we have, we've had study groups out there and we normally
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  have them in gas or unless the weather is perfect, then we'll
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  come out here. But you know, and so it's a
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  great place to do it. And, you know, and I pray there,
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  you know, you get in the center of those circles and you pray
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  and that go, that is elevated right up into the heavens
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  because you're talking about the symbol of the Trinity government
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  of all things. That's big time.
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  And so, and that's Melchizedek's symbol.
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  He wore it. He wore it on his breastplate.
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  And those circles stand for Infinity, eternity and
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  universality of the paradise Trinity, meaning that they're
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  everywhere. You know, they're not only an
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  infinite and eternal, they're also in the universes.
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  And that, that's the third person of the Trinity.
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  That's the infinite Mother Spirit.
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  They don't call her that. Yeah, they don't call her that
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  on on planets beyond where they don't have mothers, but anywhere
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  where there's mothers, the infinite mother spirit is
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  active. This is her deal.
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  This is it. This is what she makes.
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  And so, you know, the Father, he's the center of all things.
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  And then the eternal Son creates the creator sons and then bang,
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  you know, she takes all of that. And you know, let's face it, God
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  likes to play ball. I haven't had anybody like with
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  me on that. I just look up in the sky.
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  It's all balls. And and then when you look at a
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  microscope at our smallest cells, cell structures, it's all
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  balls. So God's a ball player and, and
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  and this is one of his balls and this is one of his favorite sons
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  balls. And and so it's all about it's
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  all about that. And it's kind of an unusual
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  version of reality, but it's true.
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  Can't deny it. I just want to extend an
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  appreciation for you bringing all this.
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  Sometimes you don't want to overdo it, you know, You get
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  overwhelmed. I feel a little overwhelmed
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  right now, you know? Oh, I I can.
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  I can understand. I can understand.
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  But it's good. It's a good overwhelming.
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  It's like, wow, it's like Christmas and you have so many
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  presents under the tree, you don't know which one to open
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  first. So thank you for that.
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  Well, thank you for the compliments.
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  And you know, it's not about me. It's about the Heavenly Father
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  and and the wonders of the Heavenly Father.
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  And it's all about all about him.
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  You know, whenever anybody told Jesus, Jesus gave us the
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  pattern. And when anyone complimented
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  Jesus about anything, his first response was, it's the heavenly
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  Father. It's my father and yours.
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  And so he took no credit. And only, the only father in
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  heaven really gets all the credit.
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  And you know, when you get to paradise, you know, April is
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  always good. April, hell is always good to
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  say. Ask people you know what
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  happened to paradise worship. Worship is the play of paradise.
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  You've got interview with Jesus Christ.
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  We can get it on what, Amazon? No, I don't sell it on Amazon.
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  You'll have to write me PO Box 416.
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  PO Box 416, Jasper, Arkansas. I'll give you the zip, which is
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  what they're looking for anyway, 726-417-2641 and that's Jasper,
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  Arkansas. Joseph Morgan used to sell them.
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  Now if someone requests one, I just send it to him.
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  I send it to him complimentary. I don't need the money.
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  I just need the message to be spread all over the world.
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  And once again, a real thank you to Joseph Morgan, who joins me
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  on this edition of the Urancho Radio Podcast.
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  You got a comment or question? Feel free to e-mail us
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  uranchobookradio@gmail.com. Until next time, thank you for
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  stopping by.