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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-13-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Have a Tuesday, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to be with you, as is always the case.
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  Speaker 2: Gordy Chiesa is going to swing by today. Jeff Schwartz
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  Speaker 2: toward the end of the show. It's sandwiched in between
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  Speaker 2: Jerem Jordan. We do a little red and blue talking
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  Speaker 2: about BYU-Utah matchup coming down the pipe, but Notre Dame
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  Speaker 2: first this weekend for the Cougars. That is the game day.
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  Speaker 2: Crew will be coming. It's going to be the biggest
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  Speaker 2: show on Saturday. I think there's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: lot of discussion around both programs, whether or not a
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  Speaker 2: win or a loss disqualifies you from anything in particular.
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame can survive probably two losses. BYU can probably
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  Speaker 2: survive this loss, but then that takes away your wiggle
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  Speaker 2: room in the Big 12 Conference.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see how it all plays out. Love to hear
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  Speaker 2: from you on the show. So if you want to
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  Speaker 2: throw a text or a tweet at RealOCSports... 877-353-0700 if
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  Speaker 2: you want to text us. I was kind of perusing
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  Speaker 2: and figuring out what we really want to dive into today.
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  Speaker 2: Something that struck me was even though this Utah football
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  Speaker 2: team is 5-0, and I know I drive some of this,
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  Speaker 2: conversationally at least, because I'm always looking for the bugaboos.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always picking the knits. I'm always trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out how this team can improve. What's your favorite thing?
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  Speaker 2: What's your least favorite thing? What's the good and the
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  Speaker 2: bad of this roster? We still have a couple of
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  Speaker 2: weeks before we really, really, really know what they're capable of.
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  Speaker 2: And even if you can beat Houston, you got another
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  Speaker 2: tough test coming up.
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  Speaker 1: With BYU.
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  Speaker 2: And even if you can beat Houston and BYU, you
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  Speaker 2: got to make sure that you don't fall asleep for
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  Speaker 2: the Arizona game. And even if you get past all
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  Speaker 2: of those, you have to stay diligent and make sure
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  Speaker 2: that West Virginia doesn't sneak up on you and Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: somewhere in there. There's just a lot of things that
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  Speaker 2: you got to figure out as a football team. It's
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  Speaker 2: why the routine, the consistency, the discipline, uh, the sameness
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  Speaker 2: gets to be so important for some of these football programs. And, and,
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  Speaker 2: Utah football has somehow, through these first five games, leaned
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  Speaker 2: more into that than into the changes that happened in
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  Speaker 2: the offseason. And that's something that I've said many times,
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  Speaker 2: Morgan Scali and his crew should be proud of. But
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  Speaker 2: as we're doing this, as we're doing this, like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's find, let's strive for perfection thing. I noticed a
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  Speaker 2: couple narratives there. in the social media world. I noticed
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  Speaker 2: a couple narratives around the Utah football team. And one
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  Speaker 2: of those that fascinates me is our desire for way
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  Speaker 2: Sean Parker, who has been an absolute stud for the
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  Speaker 2: team this year, our desire for way Sean Parker to
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  Speaker 2: be given more responsibility, our desire for way Sean Parker
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  Speaker 2: and a desire for an explanation as to why way
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  Speaker 2: Sean Parker got 18 touches in that last game instead
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  Speaker 2: of 20 or 25.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought that we explained this.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe some of the conversations that I noticed on the
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  Speaker 2: internet don't listen to the show. And that's, I guess, possible.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought every human being on the planet listened
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  Speaker 2: to this show. I thought that was sort of a
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  Speaker 2: mandatory thing for all of you out there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's surprising to hear, OC.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it is a possibility that there are
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  Speaker 2: people who don't listen to the Sean O'Connell show from
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  Speaker 2: 11 to 2 Mountain Time.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought that they were, like, asleep listening. In,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Dubai or something.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not, I thought if they're not
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  Speaker 2: listening to a live, they're at least podcasting it later
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  Speaker 2: in Dubai or Australia. But I guess not.
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  Speaker 3: I guess not.
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  Speaker 2: In any case, it drove for me, it sparked for
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  Speaker 2: me a question about Relative to the schedule and relative
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  Speaker 2: to what you have needed way Sean Parker to do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that he's really left anything wanting. And
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  Speaker 2: by extension, I don't think that Kevin McGiven has left
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  Speaker 2: us wanting with his play calling. I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: relative to what you have needed this team to do
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  Speaker 2: really anybody, especially on the offensive side of the ball has,
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  Speaker 2: has left you needing more from them. Yes, things can
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  Speaker 2: get better. Yes, things could be cleaner. Yes, things you
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  Speaker 2: could be winning by more than 10 points or more
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  Speaker 2: than 17 points.
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  Speaker 1: They've won and they've covered in their games, right?
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  Speaker 2: And like I said yesterday, and I kept driving this
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  Speaker 2: point home, there are going to be times where it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a lot closer. There are going to
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  Speaker 2: be times where when you allow a team to get
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  Speaker 2: to within three points, then that team is going to
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  Speaker 2: score and they're going to take the lead and you're
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  Speaker 2: going to be bothered by this and that's totally fine
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  Speaker 2: right and then it's going to be about coming back
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be about roaring back and figuring out
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  Speaker 2: a way to now come from behind and to win
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  Speaker 2: that way these are all milestones that good teams have
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  Speaker 2: to figure out how do you play from behind this
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  Speaker 2: utah football team has not really had to play they
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  Speaker 2: have not had to play from behind They've not been
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  Speaker 2: down two scores in games. They've scored on every opening
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  Speaker 2: drive of their season so far. There's just a lot
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  Speaker 2: of reasons why you look at what this team has
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  Speaker 2: done and you say, okay, well, I think they're as
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  Speaker 2: good or maybe even better than we thought.
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  Speaker 3: They were going to be.
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  Speaker 2: James, I am crazy distracted right now because of this
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  Speaker 2: Botox commercial that's on in front of me. I think
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  Speaker 2: that the person on the Botox commercial is someone from Provo.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's someone we know. So you recognized someone
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  Speaker 2: on this commercial on the TV, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really weird.
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  Speaker 2: That's wild. These are one of those. So it's one
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  Speaker 2: of those Google ads commercial breaks. So like you say
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  Speaker 2: that I looked over at the TV in my room
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  Speaker 2: and it's a different ad. So I missed it. But
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  Speaker 2: you think you know this guy. That really sidetracked me.
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  Speaker 2: That was crazy. I was like, wait, what is this
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  Speaker 2: person doing on my big television here? Shout out to
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  Speaker 2: the maybe Provo resident who's getting money for doing Botox. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, this way Sean Parker conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Really got me thinking because.
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  Speaker 2: When you're, when you're looking at what Utah football has
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  Speaker 2: needed from way, Sean, he is delivered. He's 66 carries
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  Speaker 2: for 499 yards, 7.6 yards per carry, which shockingly is
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  Speaker 2: only good enough to be tied for 12th in NCAA
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  Speaker 2: football right now. I mean, you're talking about a guy
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  Speaker 2: who's going almost eight yards of carry and that's not
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  Speaker 2: even top five. There, there's some running backs doing some
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  Speaker 2: really remarkable things right now.
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  Speaker 3: Laura is still higher than him. Yards per carry.
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  Speaker 2: He had a heck of a start to the season,
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  Speaker 2: but then Utah bottled him up relatively.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so did BYU.
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  Speaker 2: Aiden Floor is 7.56 per carry, and Way Sean Parker
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  Speaker 2: is also 7.56 per carry, according to CFB stats, which
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  Speaker 2: they go to the second decimal point.
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  Speaker 1: ESPN only goes... To tenths of yards.
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: So they're 7.6 on ESPN. They're 7.6 on ESPN. ESPN
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  Speaker 2: is rounded up.
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So, Way Sean Parker has done everything you've asked of him.
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  Speaker 2: And he and Aiden Flora are not even leaders in
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  Speaker 2: the Big 12 Conference. Although, the number of carries here
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  Speaker 2: should matter significantly.
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  Speaker 1: They would be leaders.
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  Speaker 3: for anyone with over 50 carries.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You see that in other sports leagues. I don't, I
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  Speaker 2: honestly don't know how it is in college football, obviously
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  Speaker 2: by conference, but you see that the single, like the
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  Speaker 2: batting champion in baseball, the blocks champion in the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: it's always, you have a minimum number of games or, or,
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  Speaker 2: or blocks or whatever that you have to reach NFL.
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  Speaker 2: You have to have minimum number of attempts. You have
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  Speaker 2: to reach to be the rushing quarterback. to win the
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  Speaker 2: rushing title. I mean, cam cook at West Virginia, West
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  Speaker 2: Virginia cannot pass the football. So Michael Hawkins, Jr, their
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  Speaker 2: quarterback and cam cook, their running back are responsible for
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  Speaker 2: the entire offense. So cam cook, I'll give you a
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  Speaker 2: dollar James, or maybe some of your own bonus points.
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  Speaker 5: Ooh, way.
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  Speaker 2: Sean Parker has 66 rushing attempts this year.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I will give you some prize of meaningless worth. If
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  Speaker 2: you can guess for me within 10, how many rushing
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  Speaker 2: attempts cam cook, the leading rusher in the big 12
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  Speaker 2: conference has this year, 66 for way Sean Parker. And
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  Speaker 2: there is a certain narrative that you want to see
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  Speaker 2: him get more touches about 12 and a half a game,
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  Speaker 2: which is if I'm not, if I'm doing my math right. there, uh,
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  Speaker 2: cam cook has also played five games. Uh, how, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe they played six. How many, how many carries that's
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  Speaker 2: not even receptions. How many carries do you think cam
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  Speaker 2: cook at West Virginia has so far on the season?
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  Speaker 2: 12 and a half doesn't seem like that much per game.
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  Speaker 2: So 66, you would think that it'd be higher for
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  Speaker 2: someone as productive as way Sean Parker, to be fair.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to say he has played six games,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, he's played one more game. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to say he's got like 80.
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  Speaker 3: So you have more.
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  Speaker 1: He has 153 carries in six games.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we know this about rich rod though. Oh, see
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  Speaker 2: going back to his first stint at West Virginia when
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  Speaker 2: he was winning big East titles with Pat white and company.
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  Speaker 3: Correct. He likes to run the football.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: So his quarterback, Michael Hawkins jr, by the way, is
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  Speaker 2: third right now in aggregate rushing in the big 12 conference.
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  Speaker 2: So cam cook, West Virginia running back. Number one, Michael
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  Speaker 2: Hawkins jr. West Virginia quarterback number three, he has 117 attempts.
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  Speaker 2: So you have, between the two of these guys, 270
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  Speaker 2: rushing attempts so far in six games. And this probably
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  Speaker 2: take longer than just doing it on the fly, so
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  Speaker 2: I apologize in advance, but what is their split from
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  Speaker 2: pass to run?
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  Speaker 3: Is it more run? It would seem to be more.
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  Speaker 1: It's way more run.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. It's not more pass. Obviously, it's more run.
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  Speaker 2: That's typical. But is it like 80-20? It's got to
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  Speaker 2: be close. Percentage-wise, that's crazy. It's got to be close
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  Speaker 2: to that.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Hawkins Jr. has attempted 111 passes so.
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  Speaker 1: Far this year. He's ran more than he's passed.
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  Speaker 2: He's ran. As a quarterback, he has more run than
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  Speaker 2: he has passing attempts. I just did the thing that
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  Speaker 2: I hate. I did run in the run. in the
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  Speaker 2: wrong tense there. He has run more than he passed.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay.
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  Speaker 1: I called, I said, I said, Brandon pagan yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So we're all, you get a Mulligan per day.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: On the show, listening to Spence and, and sly, although
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  Speaker 2: Spence denies it vehemently.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: We do have to say that on the record.
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  Speaker 1: In any case, right?
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  Speaker 2: We're looking at workload here for the top runners in
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  Speaker 2: the big 12 conference, cam cook and Michael Hawkins jr.
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  Speaker 2: Have The most carries. They are one and two when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to touches on the ground in the Big
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  Speaker 2: 12 Conference. They are solely responsible, the two of them,
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  Speaker 2: for the West Virginia offense. Caleb Hawkins, Oklahoma State running back,
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  Speaker 2: he's played five games.
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  Speaker 3: Same amount as Utah.
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  Speaker 1: And he has 106 touches.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So he has 40 more than way Sean Parker and
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  Speaker 2: he's averaging almost five yards of carry. So he's, he's
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  Speaker 2: got 524 yards. He's doing, he's got 40 more carries
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  Speaker 2: and 25 more yards than way Sean.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Five yards of carry is really good. It's not seven
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  Speaker 3: and a half.
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  Speaker 2: Aiden Flora, who we know we've, we've seen him up
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  Speaker 2: close and personal. We watched Utah and Colton Swan figure
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  Speaker 2: out how to hem him up credit to BYU and
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  Speaker 2: to Kelly Papinga. They were able to do everybody in
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  Speaker 2: the state of the same thing has seen him up
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  Speaker 2: closer on TV. Aiden Flora had a better game against
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  Speaker 2: BYU than he did against Utah, but not in a
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  Speaker 2: market sense and not in any kind of meaningful way.
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  Speaker 2: But Aiden Flora has 90 carries. Plus he has a
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  Speaker 2: couple of passing attempts. Plus he has a receptions in
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  Speaker 2: the run game or excuse me in the receiving game
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  Speaker 2: so i'm looking at this and the reason i'm pointing
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  Speaker 2: this out is because there are there are those among
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  Speaker 2: the utah fan base are like use way sean moore
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  Speaker 2: and and yes if you need to no i'm going
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  Speaker 2: to say it this way when you need to use
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  Speaker 2: way sean moore We talked about this on the show yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Way Sean Parker got 18 touches overall in this last game.
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  Speaker 2: He got 16 on the ground way. Sean, if he
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  Speaker 2: hadn't busted a 90 yard run to score, he probably
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  Speaker 2: gets at least three more touches, maybe four, maybe five
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  Speaker 2: more touches on that drive by itself. So way Sean
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  Speaker 2: took touches away from himself a little bit by being
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  Speaker 2: too good. All right. 66 rushing attempts through five games
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  Speaker 2: is probably not exactly what you're looking for. Maybe not
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  Speaker 2: exactly what you're looking for. Like James said, that's like
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  Speaker 2: 12 and a half rush yards per attempt per game
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  Speaker 2: that there is going to be a time this year
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  Speaker 2: where way Sean gets 20 carries where way Sean gets
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  Speaker 2: 30 touches where way Sean is a guy that you're
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  Speaker 2: just like, man, injuries have built up elsewhere or heaven forbid,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're in a situation where you just have
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  Speaker 2: to kill some clock.
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  Speaker 1: You're in a tight game. Points are hard to come by.
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  Speaker 2: We've had to kick a couple of field goals here.
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  Speaker 3: You have to go by three, go to the wildcat
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  Speaker 3: a little more often.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we're in the four minute offense here. Let's go like,
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  Speaker 2: let's get way Sean. Let's just push this thing and let's,
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  Speaker 2: let's kill some clock.
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, in games like that, when you get to
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  Speaker 2: a tighter, closer game, you're probably going to have a
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  Speaker 2: necessity for way Sean to touch the ball more in
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  Speaker 2: the absence of need. I'm fine with the number of
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  Speaker 2: touches that way Sean Parker has. We forget so quickly
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  Speaker 2: that there's already been three games this year where way
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  Speaker 2: Sean really didn't even need to play the second half. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you could have won the game without him had he
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  Speaker 2: not played in the second half. You've had a few
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  Speaker 2: of those, right? So him only having 66 carries so
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  Speaker 2: far this year is actually a blessing for the University
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  Speaker 2: of Utah because pitch count and workload are something that
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  Speaker 2: matter if and when you become a real conference championship contender,
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  Speaker 2: if and when this team has tougher games in the
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  Speaker 2: latter part of the schedule, which we know they do,
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  Speaker 2: if and when you all other things going your way,
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  Speaker 2: you end up being in a conference championship game and
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  Speaker 2: potentially a college football playoff. At that point, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be laughing at Cam Cook, who has 153 attempts
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  Speaker 2: through a half season. Is West Virginia really going to
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  Speaker 2: sustain that pace? Is Cam Cook going to get 300
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  Speaker 2: carries in this 12-game season for West Virginia? Because I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you this, If we were looking at these numbers
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  Speaker 2: next to Way Sean Parker's name, we would be lambasting
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  Speaker 2: Kevin McGiven.
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  Speaker 1: We would be.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about how one-dimensional this offense is. We would be
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  Speaker 2: talking about how you have to develop other weapons, how
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  Speaker 2: you have to get the ball out there, how you're
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  Speaker 2: too predictable.
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  Speaker 1: There's a double-edged sword to all of this.
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  Speaker 2: So we are in a situation right now as Utah
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  Speaker 2: football fans where everybody gets to be so.
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  Speaker 2: Perfectionist about our expectations that, and I'm not making fun
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  Speaker 2: of anyone, but, but that you get to look at
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  Speaker 2: this and you get to have a, Hey, whoa, he
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  Speaker 2: really only touched the ball 18 times in that last game. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He touched the ball 18 times and he was over
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  Speaker 2: 200 yards from scrimmage. That is remarkable production from way.
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  Speaker 1: Sean Parker.
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  Speaker 2: That's back-to-back weeks with Speaker 0 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29,
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  Speaker 2: the less you have to rely on way, Sean, the
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  Speaker 2: more other guys get touches. Remember when we went back
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  Speaker 2: to the preseason and we were getting all excited about,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, there's so many weapons in this Utah
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  Speaker 2: football offense. How do you keep them all happy? Well,
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  Speaker 2: part of that is this part of that is you
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  Speaker 2: let everybody know. And I don't think there's any doubt
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  Speaker 2: about this. you let everybody on that roster know that
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  Speaker 2: when the game is on the line, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: send up the bat signal and way Sean Parker is
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  Speaker 2: going to be brought into this game to salt away
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  Speaker 2: a long drive, or maybe he's going to bust a
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  Speaker 2: big run, or maybe we're just going to let him
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  Speaker 2: throw a pass, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to trust way.
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  Speaker 2: Sean, everyone on this roster knows that everyone in the
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  Speaker 2: stadium knows that everyone on the opposing team knows that,
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  Speaker 2: but the accessory benefit to this is you get Daniel
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  Speaker 2: Bray with more touches and You get Ricky Johnson emerging
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: in a game.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: You get Braden Pagan.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Now a couple of games where he's had a healthy
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: number of catches and pushed that 100-yard mark that every
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: receiver is looking for. You've gotten tight ends involved again.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: You've given Bird Ficklin. Bird Ficklin is being paid more
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: than most backups in the country are being paid right now.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: And that's a good thing for Utah. It is not enough,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: in my opinion.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: And I don't know Bird that well, so I'm not
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: speaking for him. I shouldn't even try to. In my opinion,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: it is not enough for a guy of that level
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: of talent, that level of impact on a football field
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: to just say, we're going to give you a million
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: bucks and just keep your mouth shut and sit on
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the bench and we'll call on you if we need you.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to keep a guy happy.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to allow your relationships in
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the locker room to flourish. I don't think that you
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: have any hope of retaining him next year. If you're
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: not using him the way you're using him this year.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And I know that Morgan Scali and Kevin McGibbon and
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: everyone in this staff has to be focused on the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: now and on the today. And of course you do,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: but you also have to be looking to the future.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: It's the ultimate balance in the give and take in
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: college football. And I think that, way Sean Parker not
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: being used the way that Michael Hawkins Jr. and Cam
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Cook and even Aiden Flora are being used is actually
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: to the greater benefit of this Utah football team even
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: though we want more because he's your best player and
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: when it comes.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Down to it here's the thing.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: If we, if we come out of a BYU football
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: game and way Sean Parker has 16 or 18 touches,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I promise you I'll be the one that comes on
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the air and complains loudest about that. If things get
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: tight against Houston and, and there's points left on the board,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: or we're wondering what the heck happened on this drive,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: and then we look at the stat sheet after the
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: third quarter, there's only 11 touches for Wayshawn Parker, I'm
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: going to be saying, hey, we need to get Wayshawn
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: 11 more touches in the fourth quarter. I don't think
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: that there's any doubt that this coaching staff, and especially
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the play caller, Kevin McGiven, we've had a chance to
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: catch up with him a couple of times.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Talked to him again this week. He knows exactly what
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: he's got.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: In way Sean.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: And I think, I don't know how deliberate it is
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: that they're like holding him back or they're keeping a
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: pitch count on him, on him. But I think that
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: what Utah looks at internally and what we let look
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: at as fans and observers externally differ enough.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That we should feel okay.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And we should trust that when the time comes, the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: bell cow status for way Sean Parker, will be obvious
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: and will be enforced by need, by necessity in these
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: football games. We saw that at the end of the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Iowa State game, for example. That's a great proof of
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: what you're talking about, O.C., where when the chips seem
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: to be down, Iowa State's all of a sudden within
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a score. Utah's offense hasn't been able to do anything
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: for about a quarter and a half, it felt like.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It was just like feedway, Sean. Like you said, they
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: threw up the bat signal. And McGiven said, okay, we're
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: just going to do handoffs to way Sean Parker. And it,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: it iced the game. So we, we saw that. I,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: it felt like that's what they were going to do.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: The end of the Kansas game. It's just like, you've
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: been saying to way, Sean just busted one run for
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: 90 yards instead of a, a long sustained drive. And
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: by the way, if you don't believe me, when I
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: say that necessity is what drives how much you use
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: your best players and LJ Martin has only played four
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: games for BYU. He's probably going to end up playing
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: about eight games over the course of this entire year.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: LJ Martin, guess how many touches he's averaging per game
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: for BYU. This is the returning offensive player of the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: year in the conference. This is a guy that you
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: can make a legitimate case is among the best five
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: overall players in the Big 12 conference at large. How
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: many times on the ground, at least, has BYU used
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: him per game?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Bonus points on the line.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: 15, 11, 11 touches on the ground. And again, it's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: because less than way, Sean, it's because he is averaging 7.8
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: yards per carry, right?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: So he's gotten a bunch of chunk plays.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: He's had 180 yard game. He said like he's chewing
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: up real estate that otherwise would be used by another
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: touch for him. If you can't, if you're a running
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: back who gets 12 yards on a first down run,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you just you just chewed up two carries worth of work, right?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So that means that your pitch count goes down, even
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: though your production stays the same.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: We're looking at the very best, the most efficient.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Runners in the conference being right in this spot where
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: way Sean Parker is. I know that people don't like
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: to use LJ Martin or anything. BYU as a litmus
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: test for your success, but take off the goggles and,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Look at it objectively, and it makes sense. When BYU
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: gets into a dogfight with Notre Dame, they're going to.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Wish they had L.J.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Martin to give the ball six times on a drive,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: seven times in a quarter. They don't have that, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that's going to be problematic for BYU. Utah, knock on wood,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: cross your fingers, throw salts, do whatever you.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Got to do.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Utah is more likely to have way Sean Parker at
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: his very best or close to his very best against
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Houston and BYU and Arizona. And in the conference championship game,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: if they continue to use him by fan standards, sparingly,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: we're in a Goldilocks zone right now with this guy.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And it's, it's crazy to see because I, I mean,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you could find it. You can go to the archives.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: You can go back to, and you can look at
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: ESPN 700 sports.com. You can go to the ESPN 700 app.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: You can bring up shows from the summer shows from
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: fall camp. And I'm pounding the table and saying, I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: need a bell cow back.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: It's nice to have talent, but I know that you
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: got to have someone you can trust when the chips
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: are down, when it's third and short, when it's fourth
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: and one, we should all know everyone in the stadium
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: should know who's going to get the ball.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And that guy should be able to win. Who is
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that guy?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Well, it's way Sean Parker, but you haven't needed to
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: use him that way, and that is just chef's kiss
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: beautiful right now for the Utes. And they're probably doing
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it on purpose, OC, but this, like you said earlier,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: should make you feel really good about the Utah offense
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: down the stretch. The fact that you If it continues
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: to be this way where you don't need him, you'll
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: probably need him more for the Houston game in two weeks.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: probably don't need it. Hopefully we won't need him much
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: against Colorado this week. Hopefully not against Cincinnati. Speaker 0 1,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I want way Sean to get 14 touches against Colorado.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I want him to be 14.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I want him to be 12 carries for 108 yards
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: and two catches for 40. Like those are realistic against Colorado. And,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: and then we're talking about way Sean Parker going into
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: game seven in a season with At that point, less than.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: 80 carries, fewer than 80 carries.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: And your first real test seemingly of the season at
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: home against Houston in two weeks. Again, we get to
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: overlook a team like Colorado. Hopefully the team isn't overlooking
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: a team like Colorado this week because you've got to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: get that win. But if you continue on this pace
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: for every game except for Houston, probably until the BYU game,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you will get a fresh way Sean Parker at the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: most important time of the season, which of course is
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: first and foremost, the Holy war. And then after that,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: every game in November and beyond, right? So this is,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: this is good news for Utah. If it continues on
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: this pace, number one, because they're going to continue to win.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: If, if this pace they're winning games.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: And secondly, because you probably are going to have a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: really fresh way Sean Parker in, in November, and hopefully
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you get some games and some meaningful games in December.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Let's see here.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Way Sean has 17 receptions to go along with his
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: 66 carries.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: That still puts him.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: If you add those two numbers together, that's 83 use.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Then he is sixth in the conference in touches. Well, that,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: that puts, if you just, if you made all of
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: those running attempts, that would still put them at sixth
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: in the conference that combined his combined touches are fewer
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: than Then Jeremy Payne at TCU, Aiden floor at Iowa state,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Caleb Hawkins at Oklahoma state and the aforementioned cam cook
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: and Michael Hawkins jr. Just in the run game at
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: West Virginia, those guys. So, um, and by the way,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: when I'm looking at West Virginia and that's a three
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and three team that showed us some things, but then
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: also you're like, what the heck happened here? That's what
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: they're going to be this year, right? I think they'll
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: make a bowl game. I think Rich Rod is the
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: right coach for that situation. I think they have some
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: talent on that team. Utah gets them final week of
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the regular season. You're going to have to stay up
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: for that. You're going to have to pay attention in that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Potentially clinching a Big 12 championship game berth with that game.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of work to be done before that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: You're right, but that could be the best case scenario.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: But you look at those numbers and you just say,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: oh my goodness, what a relief. that we have not
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: had to use our best guy as much as they've
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: had to use their best guys. Michael Hawkins jr. Has
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: been part of 228 offensive snaps. He has been either
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the passer or the ball carrier in those 228 snaps.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: That's an excessive workload for even like a Heisman trophy
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: caliber quarterback. At some point, you got to give those
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: guys the, the respite, the outlook where they can just
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: be like, okay, here's a pitch. Here's a handoff. I'm
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: going to let somebody else do the work here. We're
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: lucky that this is what Utah's got. And we're lucky
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: that Utah does not have to just say, Oh, the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: run game. Wait, Sean, wait, Sean, wait, Sean, wait, Sean.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: They can use dev. They can use bird Ficklin. They
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: can use Hunter Andrews. They can use Bam Bell. They
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: can use any of these guys, Daniel Bray. We've seen,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd like to see more from him as
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: a runner, to be honest with you, not more touches necessary,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: but just, do more with the touches, but he's an option.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: If we want to, if we want to have a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: conversation about pitch count in the run game, who you
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: want to see more of Daniel Bray is really the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: one you'd want to see get more carries because he is,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: he's one of those guys who's, I think, you know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: a future staple at that running back position for you.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And he's somebody who has shown us he is flashed.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: He's given us those brief little glimpses one text before
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: we take a break here and come back with Gordy Chiesa.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: from Derek I don't necessarily care about way Sean's touches
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it matters more to me that you don't just completely
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: leave him out when you need balance part of the
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: reason third quarter struggles is that it seems like McGiven
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: is trying to be too cute with the offense and
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: overpass the ball when way Sean should be getting touches
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: fair I haven't broken it down, his 66 carries. I
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: haven't broken down how many of those have come in
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the third quarter. Maybe that's a homework project I can
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: do tonight, and we can talk about that a little
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: bit tomorrow.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: We switch gears. We talk a little NBA basketball. Gordy
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Chiesa next on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Peace out. Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Gordy Chiesa.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Conversations with our NBA guru brought to you by Aladdin Industries,
• 30:54
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• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Gordy Chiesa, welcome to the show once again. How are you, sir?
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: Sean, I'm doing well. Thank you.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Um, Walker Kessler is gearing back up to full health
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: to where he can now make a debut in a
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Lakers uniform. We obviously talked about our expectations and hopes
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: for him when we thought he was going to be
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: still with the Utah jazz no longer is, uh, the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Utah jazz are going to use those assets.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: I think to help this team continue to get better.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Cap space and all those types of things.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: But let's take a look at Walker Kessler for a
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: moment with that Lakers roster. What are they expecting from him?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: What do you expect from him in the early returns?
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: Well, the first thing is that he hasn't played a
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: minute yet of preseason with a new team. What happened
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: during practice when it started two weeks ago, he jammed
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: his left pinky finger. And so they held him out precautionary.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: So he's playing tonight. Tonight, the Lakers play Golden State
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: in Las Vegas. So he'll be his Lakers debut. We're
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: expecting all of us in the NBA. What he does
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: best is block shots and offensive rebound. And that's what
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: they need. So a lot of times we'll look at
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: Dodgers with the ball and Austin Reeves. And let's not
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: forget former Jazz man, Colin Sexton's on the Lakers. He'll
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: be a screener on the high pick and roll, be
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: a law pass option to finish over the top of
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: a help defense and just give them a general presence
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: of a shot blocking and rebounding and, um, playing without
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: the ball. And the Lakers have enough scorers. They need
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: guys that are willing to sacrifice some of their initial
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: offense for later on in possession. So the Lakers are well-positioned,
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: and it's going to be a fascinating story. So here's
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: the math of it. The Jazz offered him a really
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: good contract. They wanted him in good faith. He moved on.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: The Lakers gave him a four-year, $ 130 million contract. So
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: he went to the Lakers. Now comes the hard part.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: He has to prove his worth.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: When we look back on it, when the Lakers look
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: back on it, are we going to say that that
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: was worth it?
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: It's unlikely. Again, in Laker land, in Hollywood, it's all
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: about winning. So there's no gray area where we're developing
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: for the future. In L.A., there's no future. It's like
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: right now, the present tense, where there's an industry of sports,
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: including the Dodgers right now playing the Brewers, and they're
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: two-time champion in a row. They're fighting for their lives.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: And it's the Lakers also where you judge at a
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: different level. So even though it's wonderful living there in SoCal,
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of different things also that aren't so
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: good if you're an athlete unless you perform. So you
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: know about this show. Last night, the Rams came against
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: the Bills with a classic game where as great as
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: the quarterback of the Stafford played of the Rams, the
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: fact of the matter is they still lost.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: When we're talking about that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Pressure to perform element and that increases when you're in
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: a Knicks uniform and a Lakers uniform and a Sixers uniform.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: We've always used the mid-major market or the small market
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: status here for Utah as a reason why people don't
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: want to be here. But there's also the flip side
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: of that element where there's a lot more fan loyalty,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I think. There's less pressure, if that makes sense. And
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: that could be, for some players, a good thing to
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: where they can thrive without that same immense weight of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: that they've got to carry around every day. Is that
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: talked about in NBA circles? That, you know, hey, if
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you go there, you better win now. If you go
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to Cleveland or New Orleans or Salt Lake City, maybe
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you're going to get a little bit more wiggle room?
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: Very much. The answer is yes. And also the lifestyle.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: So just generally speaking, there's always an outlier. When you're
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: in a smaller market, you can get around easier. Especially
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: if you're a foreign-born player. So we left out purposely
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: the San Antonio Spurs. That's the mother of all great markets,
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: the small markets, where the five-time NBA champion, and they
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: have a tremendous roster right now trying to be champions
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: after losing last year to Nickelbackers four games to one.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: And so, yeah, it is a factor also, Sean. It's
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: based on your own individual personality. Like, you know, what
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: size are you as far as, you know, are you
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: an introvert or extrovert? You know, who's your best friends?
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: Who's your new teammates? Who's the head coach of the team?
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: Is he a father figure or is he a young fella?
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: It's all part of it. It's not one thing.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: It's everything.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: But the fact of the matter is that this is
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: the pros, and if you feel comfortable in your settings,
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: the chances of playing much better in intense games increases dramatically.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: So we'll find out Walker Kessler. Jazz fans, they wish
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: him well. As a matter of fact, speaking of jazz fans,
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: they're going to see Walker Kessler here in Salt Lake
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: City very shortly after The Jazz player, Laker, is here
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: on Sunday, Sean, Sunday. Yes, I did say Sunday. Jazz basketball,
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: Laker is home at 3 o'clock on October 25th. So
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: it's real soon. We'll see him.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Jazz with a preseason victory over the San Antonio Spurs.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I was chuckling along to the radio broadcast because David
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Locke was talking about how this is the G League
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: version of the Spurs roster-wise.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: You look at who is unavailable, no De'Aaron Fox, no
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Devin Vassell, no Stephon Castle, no Dylan Harper, no Victor Wimbinyama.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And that's the nature of some of these preseason games,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: especially with rosters like the San Antonio Spurs. For the Jazz,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: against that roster in San Antonio, what boxes are you
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: able to check in the preseason when you're facing a
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: far-from-full-strength Spurs team?
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: Well, last night we saw that the Jazz were serious
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: about defense. They got after the Spurs players. And so
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: the Jazz held the Spurs to wobbly shooting of 39%
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: with their radioactive defense. And to add to that, Sean,
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: they created 18 steals. So, led by Isaiah Collier, who
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: had five takeaways himself. So, the previous years, we talked
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: about it very much where the Jets defensively were lacking.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: So far, it seems visually and also... As far as
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: the box squad tells us that the jazz are committed
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: to play better defense and it starts with on ball.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: And it's also the mentality. So that's encouraging. Now hope
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: the jazz can do that. When the regular season starts,
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: my instincts tell me they're going to be definitely improved
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: as far as doing it. How do you do it
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: by being physical as far as just by nature, but
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: having technique that the one thing last night that stood out,
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: Sean is, The Jazz got after the Spurs. However, they
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: were overzealous where they committed 29 team fouls. And so
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: that's way too much. Generally speaking, a rule of thumb
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: in the NBA of winning teams that play solid defense,
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: you commit most times between 17 to 21 personal fouls.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: That's like the benchmark you'd like to get. Now, again,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: fouling is an arbitrary word where You told me to
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: be aggressive. Yeah, but you need technique. Sean, in the NFL,
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: when you're a D-back or a cornerback, everything is based
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: on what? Your hands. Your hands. And in basketball, it's
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: the same thing, which is what? Hands and your feet.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: And that's for the better players and teams. So the
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Jets have to do a better job of being physical
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: without fouling.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Gordy Chiesa for another minute or two here on the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show. Gordy, somebody paid $ 14 million for a
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: game-worn jersey from Michael Jordan today. in the finals, game
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: two of the finals against your Jazz.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Was that you that bought the jersey?
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: I didn't buy it, no, for $ 14 million, but I
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: showed up close and personal. I was trying to stop
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: that guy with our scouting report and also with the
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: in-game adjustments. For the listeners, just for a second, down
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: memory lane, the game was June.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: 5th, 1998.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: I remember it well. The Jazz lost, unfortunately, 93-88 in
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: a lacious game. It was right down to the last play.
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: Michael Jordan scored 37 points where he took 33 shots
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: and made 14. So, Sean, he goes 14 for 33
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: against a really good defense by the Jazz Permanent guys.
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: Michael Jordan goes 0 for 2 from three-point range. And
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: so it was an incredible game. And the better team
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: won that night. And Mike, we had a hard time.
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: Michael Joe was great in the clutch. So Sean's alluding
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: to that an investor in Miami bought the jersey for
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: $ 14 million. It's the second highest jersey ever, as far
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: as bought by a person. The most highest paid ever
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: of a jersey was $ 24. 1 million paid in 2024. The
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: big group, when he called a shot. Remember, you saw
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: it in a grainy film, when he called a shot
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: home run versus the Chicago Cubs in Wrigley Field in
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Game 3 of the 1932 World Series. Let's add to this.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: In 1998, when the Jazz lost four games to two,
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Jordan's game jersey won, went for $ 10. 1 million in Game 3,
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: went for $ 12. 3 million. I'm assuming that iconic Game 6,
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: when Michael Jordan made the dagger, did he push up
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: with Brian Russell, Sean, or not? That would be the
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: great debate forever. Who's the referee? Dick Betheta? He was
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: the referee during that time. Did he push off? He
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: got the call. He made the shot. And the question
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: will be, Sean, how much will that jersey be someday
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: Game 6 of 1998? Someone's going to buy it.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: So we were having this conversation yesterday about if you're
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, if you're a star player and at this
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: point of his career, when you're playing him in the
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: 1998 finals, he's well established as this mega star and
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: as a collectible, you know, memorabilia piece, whatever. Does a
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: guy like him get a new Jersey every single night,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: a fresh Jersey every single night? Does Carl Malone get
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: a fresh Jersey every single night? Do these guys on
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: a road trip where the same Jersey for game one
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: and game two, if you're on the road, like how
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: does that work with the equipment staff when we're talking
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: about the star players versus the rank and file?
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: So the answer is a star players have multiple jerseys
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: on the road trip, but it's possible that they might
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: take the Jersey off the In a moment of exhilaration
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: when they played great in that road game and gave
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: the jersey off to some fan that's yelling and begging,
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: you know, for an autograph. And the guy does this
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: without even thinking, takes his jersey off and gives them
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: to the kid, which is wonderful as far as, you know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: at that moment. So the equipment people have extra jerseys also,
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: just in case the blood gets on it or it's ripped. Like,
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: stuff happens during a game. So they do have it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: For everybody, but in particular, many for the star players
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: that could have some value for doing it. So they
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: have it all the time. Also, it's sneakers. You can't
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: believe as far as the equipment people. God bless them.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: They have so many sneakers in every locker room as
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: far as in case something is deformed or blows out
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: the sneaker or just in general if they feel uncomfortable.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: So there's a lot of different things moving parts as
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: far as the NFL or the NBA. My question, Sean,
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: is what about your famous jersey?
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: I'm serious.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: We should auction off your jersey, both high school and
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: also Utah and Weber State.
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: We should.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: Bring it in someday.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I should bring it in.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I should replace this Britton Covey jersey hanging behind me with, like,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: my high school football jersey or something.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Definitely a great idea. Hey, we love.
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: Britain's Jersey, but we'd like to have you up there also.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: Your Jersey, don't wash it. Make it look like it's
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: old mud and stuff. It's perfect.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I'll have to find one. In college, I didn't get
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to use my jersey. I wouldn't get dirty enough because
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: it wasn't playing that much. All right, Gordy, what's your
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: list today?
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: My list today, we're talking about Players and with organizations
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: and small markets. This is a really short list because
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: it's so hard to do. NBA players who have spent
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: their entire career playing for one franchise. So you play
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: for one franchise your whole career, and I cut it
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: off on 14 years. So just think about the players
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: you like over the years, and suddenly they change the
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: team end of their career. either chase a ring or
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: there was a salary dispute. Here we go. With 14
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: years with one franchise, Nick Collison, Seattle Supersonics and the Thunder,
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: Jerry West of the Lakers, Elgin Baylor of the Lakers,
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: Joe Dumars of the Pistons, David Robinson of the Spurs.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: With 15 years with the same team, there were teammates also, ironically,
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: Hal Greer, the Syracuse Nationals slash Philadelphia 76ers, and Dolph Shays,
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: Syracuse Nationals slash Philadelphia 76ers, with 16 years of service
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: on the same team. Both these guys are amazing. Manu
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: Ginobili of the Spurs and John Havlicek of the Celtics.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: With 18 years, and this guy's the only player on
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: the list that's active. Reggie Miller of the Pacers and
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: the world's greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry of
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: the Warriors, 18 years with 19 years. Tim Duncan of
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: the Spurs and John Stockton of the Jazz with 20
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: years with the same franchise. Udonis Haslam of the Heat
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: and the late, great Kobe Bryant of the Lakers. and
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: the number one player of all time for the most
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: years credited with one franchise. He's iconic. I'll give you
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: a hint, Sean. He was seven-footer with an incredible step-back
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: jump shot, and he's from a foreign country. Yes, we're
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: talking about Dirk Nowitzki of the Mavericks via Germany. He
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: played for the Mavericks for 21 seasons. What about the NFL?
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: Just two names, Sean. His name was... Lou, the toe
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: grows up. He played for the Cleveland Browns. He was
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: a place kicker and alignment. He played for the Browns
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: for 21 years. I know, you know, this guy, Darrell
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: green was a great quarterback for the, for the Washington Redskins.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: Now commanders, he played for 20 years. So that was
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: the two guys in the NFL. I presently in the NBA,
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: it seems to me, Sean, that these guys will probably
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: never change their team. So we give it a list,
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: a relatively small, Once, quickly, other guy during his career,
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: Nikolai Jokic of the Denver Nuggets has played for them
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: for 12 years already. He's going to sign a contract
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: probably next summer for an extension. So I'm assuming either
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: four or five years. I think he'll be with them
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: his whole career. And then, of course, the number one
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: person in the NBA as far as longevity could be
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: someday with the same team, Victor Wembeambe. He's starting his
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: fourth year. That's Sean. That's my list of today.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Love it. I love the NFL guys sprinkled in Lou grows.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Of course, they've named the kicker of the year award
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: after him, Daryl green.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of people talk about him.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: He came, he came from the era Gordy before they
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: were testing forties.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: And all that kind of stuff.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: There are a lot, there are a lot of NFL
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: guys who think he might be the fastest player ever
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: to play in the NFL.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: It's unbelievable as far as changing direction and speed. And
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: he was a great cover. He was a nemesis as
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: far as receivers trying to outrun him.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Gordy, you're the man. Always appreciate your time. Thank you, sir.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: Thanks, Sean.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Peace out.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Gordy Chiesa brought to you by Aladdin Industries, your Utah
• 47:39
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• 47:44
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• 47:47
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• 47:49
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• 49:58
  Speaker 2: in just a little bit to talk about a massive
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: game this weekend. College game day coming to Provo, Notre
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Dame versus BYU. We'll get into the nitty-gritty of it.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: The injury report for BYU cleaning up a little bit.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: They were able to get past Iowa State, able to
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: win that game despite being somewhat depleted on both sides
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: of the ball, and now getting a little bit healthier
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: for this Notre Dame game, according to multiple reports. So
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: we'll get into all of that stuff. But Utah Mammoth
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: back in action tonight at the Delta Center. And it's
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: actually a fun little thing that the NHL does. They
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: call it frozen frenzy. 16 games, all 32 teams in
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: the NHL playing on the same night. Utah takes on
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: a really interesting Toronto Maple Leafs team.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: They've got a young phenom.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: They've got some young stars and starting to make their
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: own push back toward contention and relevancy.
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: 3-2-1 so far.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: The Toronto Maple Leafs, they're 1-0-1 on the road. And,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: of course, Utah is 4-2 right now on this season.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: So William Nylander and company coming in to take on
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: a really interesting Utah Mammoth team who is a favorite
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: in this game.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Happy to see that.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: But one of.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: 16 games tonight.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Every NHL team is active and competing tonight across the U.S.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: And Canada because, of course.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: In the NHL, you've got several Canadian teams hosting things
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: as well. So coming off a road trip where they split,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth went 2-2 on this one. Grabbed some points
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: on the road. Lost to the Rangers, as we talked
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: about already. Beat the Devils. Really just terrible night against
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: the Bruins. As bad of a night as we've ever
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: seen this Utah Mammoth team have. Bounced back from that
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: one against the Buffalo Sabres, 4-1. And now the Toronto
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Maple Leafs at home tonight at the Delta Center.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really cool.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I did not realize that leagues didn't typically have at
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: least one day a year where every team is playing.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: But maybe baseball does because baseball plays almost every day.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: But besides that, it really doesn't happen, OC. I think
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: this is the first time I realized that there's always
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: one or two teams playing I guess it's at least
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: two teams that have the night off on, even on
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: the heaviest schedule night in each league. So this is
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: really cool for the, for the mammoth to be a
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: part of, for the NHL to do by the way,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Utah 16. If you get the over the air thing,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you can watch the game on that tonight or a mammoth.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Plus, of course you can see every game.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Schmaltz right now, leading the mammoth in goals and in points.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Remember when I did the preseason survey of who's going
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: to be your school, your goals leader Schmaltz barely got
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: any credit, barely got any votes at gun.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Did Gunther win?
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Gunther ran away with it.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: He was the Gunther was the goals leader last year, right?
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: Correct.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: And Keller was the points. Correct.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this, I mean, Schmaltz, I think most mammoth
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: fans figured he was going to be near the top
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: in both those categories. Cause he, he was last year.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: But it is a bit of a surprise that he
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: is up there at the top alone, even a few
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: weeks in. Clayton Keller tied with Schmaltz for points, so
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know why he gets the lone distinction. When
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: you go to ESPN and you look at his picture,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: it shows the picture of your goals leader, your points leader,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: your assist leaders. And Schmaltz is getting the extra love,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: which I'm fine with because, you know, Keller's the captain
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: and he's always front and center. Yeah, maybe it was
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: just ESPN's algorithm or staffer, if they have a staffer
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: that updates that.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Someone different. Okay, let's put them up instead of Clayton Keller.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Goes in reverse alphabetical order.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's that. You're killing me, Schmaltz. Love you, man.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Doing awesome.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break here. We come back
• 54:16
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• 54:19
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• 54:23
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• 54:27
  Speaker 2: My father taught.
• 54:31
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• 54:34
  Speaker 4: You know what they say.
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: He taught me, keep your friends close. But your enemy's close.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Time to check in on the team down south. They
• 54:42
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• 54:45
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  Speaker 2: He's here with us now to talk about a massive
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  Speaker 2: game for BYU as they welcome the Notre Dame Fighting
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  Speaker 2: Irish in a top 10 matchup.
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  Speaker 1: College game day will be on campus. Big one in Provo.
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  Speaker 3: Jerem, how are you?
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 7: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Great, great.
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  Speaker 3: Highly anticipated weekend for the folks down there.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And what's interesting is because this was announced kind of
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: shortly after the pop-tarts bowl in around January, there, there
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: hasn't been this like years lead up. It was like, Oh,
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: the ACC played and said, Hey, we're going to play
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  Speaker 5: nine conference games. So Cal bowed out of a game
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  Speaker 5: with BYU, USC canceled Notre Dame. This was literally the
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: best possible in the BYU could have had because Notre
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: Dame has not come to provost since 2004, despite having
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: multiple opportunities. They played in Vegas four years ago. It
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: was a good game. And here we are in BYU
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  Speaker 5: for the first time ever at home has a top
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  Speaker 5: 10 team to match up with another top 10 team
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  Speaker 5: and game day acknowledges how sweet this game is. And
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: obviously they can get Notre Dame on the air. They will.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: And I mean, there could be a massive number with
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  Speaker 5: a Saturday night on ABC Fowler herb street. Welcome back
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  Speaker 5: Holly row. Who's been on both sides of this rivalry,
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: obviously Utah grad and a lot of time at KBYU
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  Speaker 5: and BYU TV. When I was a young student I
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: worked on a show called True Blue with host Holly Rowe.
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  Speaker 5: So it'll be great to have her back in Provo.
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  Speaker 5: And it's a big game, man, for a gajillion reasons.
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  Speaker 5: Can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: So I've heard many answers to this question, and I
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: wanted yours. Is this the biggest game ever in Provo?
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  Speaker 2: Is this the biggest matchup ever in Provo? And I
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: asked my father-in-law this question last night. He was a
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: former walk-on at BYU, and he was part of some
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: big years down there, and he remembers a lot of
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: BYU football. And he said, well, no, they number one
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: team in the country came. It came to town back
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: in the day and BYU beat them. But like you
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: just said, that wasn't a top 10 BYU team. So
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  Speaker 2: even though it was an upset, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it was as highly anticipated as this one.
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  Speaker 3: Is this the biggest game ever at Lavelle Edwards stadium?
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: Now there are two different things here. The biggest win
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: in BYU history to me. And I think to the
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: majority of BYU fans is 1990 versus Miami. Miami is
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  Speaker 5: number one. They had won the national championship the year
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  Speaker 5: before you had to beat them. They end up number three.
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  Speaker 5: They were awesome. And tight ever is launched into a
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  Speaker 5: Heisman campaign that ends up winning him the eyes and
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  Speaker 5: not in that moment, obviously, but later that's a big
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  Speaker 5: freaking deal. Cause the 1984 Natty is the biggest thing
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  Speaker 5: you've always ever done in sports. The second thing is
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  Speaker 5: the Heisman with tie this situation, this buildup, this hype,
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  Speaker 5: this anticipation, the top 10 matchup, the college game day,
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  Speaker 5: the primetime ABC. this is the biggest setup for a game,
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  Speaker 5: which I think is the question in BYU history. Now
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  Speaker 5: it was that twice last year. What was it? What
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: are you talking about? It was at Texas tech. That
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: was the biggest buildup. First top 10 matchup ever for BYU.
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  Speaker 5: They lose 29, seven. That was a bummer. They dropped
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  Speaker 5: four spots. I want to remind people when you lose
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  Speaker 5: to a top 10 team, you don't, you don't go
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  Speaker 5: way down. Well, Florida did It's like Florida, Florida, you know,
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: showed up one week and then didn't the other and
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  Speaker 5: got crushed. So it's not quite the same. Then the
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  Speaker 5: big 12 championship game was the biggest game in BYU
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  Speaker 5: football history up to that point, because they had a
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: chance to secure an opportunity to get into the playoff
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  Speaker 5: and they lost big again. So the, this is an
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  Speaker 5: opportunity for BYU to really help itself in a gajillion ways.
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  Speaker 5: If they win, oh man, their top five and their
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: playoff chances are way up. Like they might, they might
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  Speaker 5: be able to lose two conference games and still get
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: in like that could happen. Maybe. If they compete and lose, hey,
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  Speaker 5: BYU's pretty good. They lost. They didn't have L.J. Martin.
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  Speaker 5: You know, dot, dot, dot. Notre Dame's pretty good. That
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: would be a respectable loss. If they get blown out,
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: now you just go, well, okay, got to win the
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  Speaker 5: Big 12. You know, got to compete. And Utah's coming
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  Speaker 5: up in a couple weeks. And UCF is a huge
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  Speaker 5: game next week because it's emotionally either way, whether you
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  Speaker 5: win or lose to Notre Dame. So I think the
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  Speaker 5: answer's yes, and there's a lot riding on it. But
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  Speaker 5: it's not everything, but it's certainly– I think it's a
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  Speaker 5: huge moment in the, in the history of BYU football.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone can dispute that.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously there's the, the bells and whistles and the
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  Speaker 2: circus coming to town. Like you already mentioned with college
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  Speaker 2: game day, human nature is undefeated, but this seems like
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  Speaker 2: a pretty disciplined dialed in team. You know, they, they
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  Speaker 2: handle things in a very professional manner. I think that
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  Speaker 2: this coaching staff has a routine down that they like.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a lot of recent success.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes these games can pull you away from that
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. I mean, for your quarterback, there's going
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: to be extra media to do this week and things
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: like that. But, I mean, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: how much of a distraction, how much of a coloring
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: outside the lines project is this for BYU football because
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  Speaker 2: of all the extra stuff?
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  Speaker 5: I think BYU is getting used to being good and
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  Speaker 5: having this kind of attention. And yes, with game day here, there's,
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  Speaker 5: there's kind of a little more there, but think about it.
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  Speaker 5: The last three years, we always been in the top
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  Speaker 5: kind of 15, top 20, quite a bit this year.
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  Speaker 5: BYU has now been inside the top 15, the entire time,
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  Speaker 5: the whole season, preseason. And now they've been top 10,
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  Speaker 5: the last four weeks, top 11, last five bear Bachmeier
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  Speaker 5: 17 and two as a starter, like that. BYU was
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  Speaker 5: almost in the playoff last year. I think BYU is
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  Speaker 5: used to sort of this situation. It's not kind of 06, 07, 08,
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  Speaker 5: where you start slow and you kind of catch up
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  Speaker 5: and you're trying to maybe crack into the new year's
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  Speaker 5: six kind of thing. It's just different. It's power conference football.
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  Speaker 5: I think BYU is pretty comfortable in that space. BYU
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  Speaker 5: has played some really good teams over the years. Notre
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  Speaker 5: Dame is one of the best teams BYU has played
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  Speaker 5: in a long time. Like I think that tech team
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  Speaker 5: last year was was pretty good, especially that defense. So
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  Speaker 5: it's not like BYU hasn't played a team of the silk.
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  Speaker 5: I also want to remind people, Notre Dame hasn't come
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  Speaker 5: to the mountain times in 13 years. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: they haven't had to play like a top 10 true
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  Speaker 5: road opponent in a minute and, and when, you know,
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  Speaker 5: those are tough things for them too. So I think
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  Speaker 5: it is a heavyweight battle. Notre Dame should be favored
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  Speaker 5: in this game. I agree with that. They're very good
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  Speaker 5: watching the film on them. I think they're fantastic. They're
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: They got five NFL draft picks on defense, including a
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: top-five pick in Leonard Moore, who's questionable with a concussion,
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  Speaker 5: but he's the best corner in America, maybe the world,
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  Speaker 5: in college. So, yeah, they got a lot of dudes.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to be a heavyweight battle. It's going to
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  Speaker 5: be awesome. And I think BYU is humble enough to know, like, hey,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: we survived against TCU, and then it was the biggest
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: 14-point blowout in the history of college football Friday night
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  Speaker 5: because BYU had plus 300 yards on Iowa State but couldn't.
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  Speaker 5: couldn't punch it in very well in the red zone.
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  Speaker 5: So certainly there's room for improvement, but I don't think
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  Speaker 5: BYU has shown their best game quite yet. And this
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  Speaker 5: would be a great time for a Saturday night.
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  Speaker 2: In a game where, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: needed to do it exactly that way, but where you're
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: down your top two running backs against Iowa State, right?
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  Speaker 2: And didn't get a lot going with the backup guys.
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  Speaker 2: Bear did run well. He passed incredibly well. He was
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  Speaker 2: on time with his throws. He was efficient with his throws.
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  Speaker 2: I guess a couple of things bogged down in the
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  Speaker 2: red zone, as you already mentioned. But if you rewind
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  Speaker 2: a year, could Bear Bachmeier have done that last year?
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  Speaker 5: Could he have.
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  Speaker 1: could he have passed that successfully?
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  Speaker 2: Could he have been a guy that's like, I don't
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: know if there was a conversation with Aaron Roderick, like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to have to pass to win this game.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if any of that happened, but I
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  Speaker 2: guess I'm asking a question about his development. Is that,
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  Speaker 2: is that something we saw from him on against Iowa
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: state was like, all right, this guy can, he can
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  Speaker 2: run to win you the game. Or if you, if
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: you need to rely on his arm, he can do
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  Speaker 2: that too. Did he have that in him last year?
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  Speaker 5: I think he did. I think he is better though,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: to your point, but last year against West Virginia through
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  Speaker 5: for three 51 against Iowa state as well. Last year,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: when LJ Martin got her in the second quarter, he
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: threw for three Oh seven in the bowl game. When
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: LJ Martin didn't play through for three 25 against ranked
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: Georgia tech. So he definitely had it last year. What
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: I think he's better at this year is the deep ball.
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  Speaker 5: You always got four pass plays of 60 plus. Now,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: one of those was Roger Sally Ponga on Friday, running
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: to the 60 plus mark. But three to Legend Glasker.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: Legend Glasker is one of the best deep threats BYU
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: has ever had, one of the best in the country.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: He's fifth in yards run per route. He's one of
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: the top-rated freshmen in America from Pro Football Network. He
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: is outstanding, and he is something that, you know, if
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: Leonard Moore played, he's probably matched up with Legend Glasker.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: uh colorado transfer dj mckinney who's played by you know
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: four years in a row at oklahoma state two years
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: at colorado now notre dame he'll be aware of legend
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  Speaker 5: glasker um so bear i think is a better deep
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: ball thrower he's more accurate down the field he struggled
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: a bit with that last year at times especially outside
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: the numbers 20 plus that's a tough throw that's an
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: nfl throw uh but he's getting better at it yeah
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: and byu i think silenced some of the critics of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: like Can Bear pass it? And last week, BYU needed
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: to with Noel J. Martin for sure, and they did
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: a great job. And then, oh, by the way, he
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: ran for 109, which is wild. The third BYU player ever,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: by the way, to go 300 past 100 rush. The
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: other two, Steve Young, Taysom Hill. The top three dual
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: threats with Bear Bachmer in BYU history.
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  Speaker 2: Jerem Jordan is our guest here talking the BYU-Notre Dame
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: matchup coming. BYU, of course, top 10 team in the country.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame, top 10 team in the country. Huge thing
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: happening in Provo. This weekend, and I'm seeing reports BYU
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: getting healthier. Still no Andrew Gentry, still no LJ Martin,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: but who are they going to get back?
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  Speaker 5: The hope is that Raider Damone is back at safety
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: after a knee injury in the opener against Utah tech.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: That'd be good. Although Tommy Pratt said his best game
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: as a Cougar last week at safety opposite follow tell
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: South Tuala cannon debris would be a nice addition. If
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: he can return a BYU's punt return to starting nickel.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: And frankly, I don't know that viewing needs him at nickel.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: Evan Johnson slides over to nickel and then Javon Williams,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: the Mississippi state transfer has been playing very well at
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: kind of a second corner spot next to Trey Alexander
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: and So hopefully Candidate Reeds can play a punt return.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: Last week, you know, Tiger Bachmeier really struggled. He started
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: strong with a 16 and a 22-yard return, and then
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: he muffed a punt, recovered it, and then he fielded
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: a punt at the one, and then he muffed another punt.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: So that was tough. You don't get that kind of
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: game and then thrown back in the rotation very quickly,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: very often. So, you know, hopefully Candidate Reeds come in there,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: and if you can return a punt, well, great. If not,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: just fair catch and let the BYU offense do its thing. And,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: you know, Sione Moa and Isaiah Glasker aren't ruled out.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: Glasker with the knee injury, you know, two weeks ago
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: against TCU. And then Sione Moa dealing with the knee
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: injury from the first game. So I'd be surprised, frankly,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: if Moa and Glasker played. I hope they do. If
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: they're good enough, that'd be great. Some of BYU's top
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: 15 players. But I think DeVries and DeMoney could have
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: an impact on this game.
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  Speaker 2: Isaiah Glasker being out last week against an Iowa State
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: team that has shown some ability to run the ball effectively,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: I thought was going to be a much bigger problem
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: than it actually ended up being. And I think that's
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: a testament to K-pop and to everything else that this
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: BYU defense is doing from a talent and an execution standpoint.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Towsili Akana continues to excel. Alexander, he had an incredible game.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: this defense, even without one of its best players, looks
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: like still one of the best defenses in the conference.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're playing great. And, you know, we have a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: relationship with stats performed. So I asked them, when's the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: last time BYU held a powerful team to 10 points
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: or less in back-to-back games? And it was 06, 07,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: the end of the 06 year to 07. So K-Pop
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: has kind of answered the call of like, is BYU
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: defense going to be as good or better? Yeah. I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: think they're more dynamic and, on the defensive line. I think,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: like you said, tell Celia, Connor is the fourth highest
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: rated edge rusher in America from pro football network. He's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: been great. County town of Vasa is kind of figuring
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: it out, which by the way, his wife is like
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: three weeks away from having a baby, which coincides with
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: the BYU Utah week, by the way, he told me
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: is due the week of BYU.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: He told us that at big 12 media days when
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: we were down there and he was just like, yeah,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: my wife is due like the seventh.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: What are you going to do? That is, that is
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: some heavenly timing there. That's pretty funny.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: And like, they're going to induce, right. If everything's going well,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: she's got, they'll, they'll have the baby beforehand. So it
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to worry about it.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: Right. I know. Right. You would hope on like, you know,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: Wednesday or Thursday, you could kind of knock that out. Well,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: medicine's awesome that way, but hopefully things go great. I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: know he's excited about it. And then, as you mentioned
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: with no Isaiah Glasker, Jake Clifton's done a great job.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: So BYU got a steal of a deal. This dude's
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: a member of the church wanted to go to BYU
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: from Oklahoma. Didn't really get recruited. In fact, one of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: his high school teammates signed with BYU and he's like, Hey,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: I'm right here. What's going on? So he goes to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: K state does really well plays a bunch before his mission. uh,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: comes back from his mission, decides he wants to transfer
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: to BYU and he has filled in really well. He's
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: done a nice job, uh, you know, in Isaiah's place
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: and Isaiah is awesome. So, BYU defense has been good. Trey, Alexander,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: as you mentioned, I agree. I thought that was his
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: best game as a BYU Cougar. They called pass interference
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: on him. I didn't agree on that at all. He
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: made some, a couple of third down stops at TFL.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: Like he's flying around.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 7: He is.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: And he is a very fun personality and he, and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: Evan Johnson form, perhaps the best cornerback tandem BYU has
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: ever had. And then behind him as follow-up South, who
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: has really high end NFL potential. So There's I mean,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: and Katie, a lot of it kind of had a
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: quiet night, but there's, there's just playmakers all over the place.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: And K-pop is unpredictable in what he's showing. They don't
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: give up explosive plays. They were incredible on third down
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: two of 13, eight and four was limited at 86
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: yards after two 12, the week before that's BYU strength
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: going into this game is this defense. Now they do
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: need to take the ball away. A couple of times,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame's only thrown one pick and they have not
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: lost a fumble. That's why they're being so good. They
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: take care of the football and they've been very explosive
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: with the three headed monster running back dynamic receivers. And
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: then their defense is number one in the country in yards.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: They take it away a ton. So BYU certainly has
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: to win the turnover margin to sort of disrupt the
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame team. That's awesome. They haven't played a top
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: 40 SB plus team, but you know, BYU, this is
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: the best BYU team ever that is facing another top
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: 10 team. Like it's never, it's never been this sort
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: of heavyweight on heavyweight where BYU actually could throw back
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: a few punches, not out of the blue, but just
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: go toe to toe. And that's the hope, right? And again,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not like BYU has to win or no, no
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: matter what I need BYU to at least keep this
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: a one score game because it would be a respectable loss,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: but Hey, if they win, let's go.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: So what's the matchup where, when you're looking at it,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: you're like, okay, BYU might have, an advantage here, or
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: maybe it's just a neutral. And then the most problematic
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: of matchups in this game for BYU when it comes
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: to a really, really talented Notre Dame roster.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: I think BYU's run defense against Notre Dame's run offense
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: is going to be really interesting because it's a three-headed
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: monster for Notre Dame. They've done a great job. They
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: kind of give each guy a series. It's interesting. Jonas Walton,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: who broke off a 97-yard touchdown run last week against Stanford,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: He's a freshman, set a freshman season record there. Nolan
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: James Jr. and Aeneas Williams. Remember, they lost two first-round guys,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: Jadarian Price and, of course, Jared, my love, to the
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: Seahawks and Cardinals, respectively. So they're trying to replace those guys.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: BYU is giving up two-ish yards per carry. So is
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame. The other one where I have a little
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: bit of pause is BYU's run game offense versus Notre
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: Dame's defense. BYU without LJ Martin is not the same
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: rush offense. So last week, Bear Bachmeier really carried the load.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: Nine carries 109. That's an incredible number. I think that
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: BYU might need to run Bear 15 to 20 times.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: And this is going to be a physical beat-up Bear
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: after this game, but it's whatever it takes to win
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: in this one. And obviously in the red zone, they
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: need to pound it in with Bear a little more.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: They did not. They experimented a little bit. They used
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: some other stuff. some other place. And Aaron Roderick revealed
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: on one play bear misheard what he said. And he
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: called the wrong play to the team. And they ran
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: a fourth down kind of throw to walk the lines
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: on an out in the end zone. And he was like,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: that wasn't the play that I called. So, so calm
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: kind of failed in that particular instance, but it didn't
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: cost you the game or anything. But I think the, the,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: the opposing run games is where the game's going to
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: be one and lost to me.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: What would be a hotter t-shirt to sell in Provo
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: Mormons versus Catholics and.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Prophets versus popes, which one would sell better?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: I think it'd be hilarious if someone did Catholics versus
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Like, just
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: spell out the whole church name. To me, that would
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: be really fun. The dynamic's so, so good in this one.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: There have been some funny tweets about this exact thing, too,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: by the way. Joe Wheat tweeted, Notre Dame, rich religious history,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: national fan base, went independent, last won a natty in
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: the 80s. Never won a New Year's six BCS game.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: Inexplicably left out of the playoff, despite having a resume
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: deserving of it. Rudy was baptized in there into their religion.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: They're really Eastern time zone BYU. That, that made me laugh.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: That made me laugh really hard that full respect to
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame, like the, you know, four horsemen, Joe Montana, Tushon, Jesus, Rudy,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: all the stuff like it's, it's fun to have them
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: in Provo. Like this is a, this is a really
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: cool opportunity.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: Who's going to be the, I, I think I saw
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: your tweet about your prediction on a celebrity guest picker.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Do you have any more insight? Have you been having
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: this conversation?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: Okay. You know, there's, there's some whispers that perhaps we'll
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: see that Riley Arnold of dancing with the stars who's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: from Provo and dating tight end Walker lions could be
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: the guest picker. We, it's not finalized, you know, there
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: are people in the mix, but I'm hearing that that,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: that is one that that was a dark horse pick
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: for me, given the sort of, you know, a synergy
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: with ABC. I thought maybe Ken Jennings, cause it's just
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: a little more popular there. The host of jeopardy, of course,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: a BYU grad would be in there. I would be
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: interested to see if BYU, if game day goes non-athlete, right?
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: Like not that she's not an athlete for dancing. I mean,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: non-former BYU football player, like, do they go that route
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: or do they kind of go with the non non-football
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: player route? We'll see.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Riley Arnold.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: For those of you who don't watch dancing with the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: stars is 21 years old. That would, she'd have to
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: be like tied for the youngest guest picker ever.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: I'd be pretty young, right? Yeah. That's a good, that's
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: a good point. Who's been younger. If it's her, we'll see.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Like they usually don't have college age people doing any
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: of college game day, but it, that'd be cool. That'd be,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: she's got a pretty big following again. I, I don't
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: know what their algorithm is for how they pick these
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: people in every case. You know, if you're like trying
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: to expand an audience by, By bringing her in, you
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: would probably bring in some non-traditional college game day watchers,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: at least for her segments, right? Or do you lean
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: into what you always lean into and say, no, let's
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: pander to the football fans?
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: Or bring in Steve Young or Jim Rafferty or whatever. Yeah,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: like Donny Osmond, you know, you go outside. It's fun
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: to see because the guest picker from your school, you
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: have to evaluate like, wait, how many good former athletes
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: do we have? How many, how many sort of celebrities
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: exist from among the alumni? Like would they go to,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: you know, Ryan Smith, given the kind of McAfee friendship
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: or whatever, like to me, Ryan's like a top five
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: choice there. It's been fun to think about that. The
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: other thing is, I don't think they're going to do it,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: do it in the parking lot where they did in
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: 09 and then where they did big noon kickoff. I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: think they're going to do it somewhere else. And there's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: some other good options that BYU has sort of enabled
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: just in case from a kind of logistic standpoint. So
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: I'm excited to see what they do at Helaman fields,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: which is just south of the football stadium or perhaps
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: the baseball field or on campus somewhere, maybe Brigham square
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: outside the Wilkinson center. So I don't think we're going
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: to get the, just in the parking lot, which is
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: a beautiful shot of the stadium and the mountains. But I,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: I think, I think we're going somewhere else. We'll see.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Do you think that changes attendance or anything like that?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: People are going to show up wherever it's at.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: I think they'll show up wherever I, my pick would
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: be the baseball stadium Miller park. Like you can put
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: people on the artificial turf field. You can put them
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: in the stands. You have, you have the beautiful shot
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: of why mountain you've got the merit center right there.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: You can use the existing sort of infrastructure for fiber,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: for all the logistics and tech that they need. So
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: my vote is the baseball field. We'll, we'll see. I know,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: I know game day picks, but BYU says, Hey, we
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: have these spots are logistically available to you. What do
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: you want? And then they select BYU. And I bet,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: I bet we'll find out here in the next day
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: or two, the guest picker and the location soon, but it's,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: it's exciting. People, it probably was buzzing, man. People are stoked,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: not only for the game, but for game day and everything.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: And I told my eight year old son, I said, dude,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: we're going to have a five 30 Saturday, man, man,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: we gotta be there at six. Let's let's go.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Let's get ready. I, I'm going to be in Chicago.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: So on the other end of the travel for for
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: this game, right?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: Everyone going to note, you're going to South Bend. I'm
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: going to go in the wrong direction.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: I am calling fights in, in Chicago this weekend. So
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: the that's where you travel to and through for anyone
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: who's never been to South Bend. That's where all the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame fans are going to be coming from Chicago
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: to Provo and vice versa. So I guess I'll be
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: on the other end of the travel spectrum while you
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: guys have all your fun in Provo.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: You'll say hi to everybody as they're going by in
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: the airport and they're, and they're fighting Irish green, which
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: would be fun.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: It's, it's, it's a huge opportunity, man. And then I
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: think BYU Utah, regardless of what happens to BYU, I
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: think BYU Utah could also be another top 10 matchup
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: November 7th. Like there's a decent chance that happens again.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Utah fans are getting mad at me because I'm saying
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: you don't have to root for it actively, but it's
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: better for Utah if BYU wins this game. And then obviously,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: The only positive outcome is you have to beat BYU.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: But in that case, if BYU wins, then Utah's got
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: a top five BYU team coming to Rice-Eckel Stadium on
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: November 7th. And you beat a top five team, not
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: only is it better for the Bragg rights here in state,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: but it looks even better for the pollsters and all
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: that stuff.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Utah fans are not thrilled with my take on that though.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: Oh, I get it. Like, yeah, you don't, you don't
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: want to root for BYU. I get it. It would,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: it's huge for the league too. Like the league's best
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: chance at two teams is BYU beating in the playoff
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: is BYU beating Notre Dame. Because then if, if BYU loses,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: let's say BYU loses one of the regular season game
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: and they're in the big 12 title game and they
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: lose that they have two losses that Notre Dame win
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: will lift them in. Like I, I really believe that
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: an 11 and two BYU team, again, you can't like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: lose by 20 plus in the two losses and feel
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: you know, like last year, you know, we might've been in,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: but you can't do that and have much to say there.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: So compete, you know, and all that, but yeah, it
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: really helped the league. It's a big moment for everybody
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: in the league because it was the Oregon win. Now
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: Oregon's unranked like that win is good, but it's not
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: as good as it was. What's the big win from
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: the big 12 right now? This is an opportunity.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: So what's the outcome, Jerem? What's your real prediction on
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: how this thing goes on Saturday?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a one score game.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: You know, I could see all kinds of scenarios, but
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: I don't see BYU winning by 10 plus. When BYU
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: has beaten a top 10 team, they've done six times.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: It was always one score. So if BYU wins, it's
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: by one score to me. I can see where the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: BYU defense gives Notre Dame some trouble. The question is,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: is BYU offense going to be able to get into
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: the 20s and kind of hold down Notre Dame? So
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking this game's probably in the 20s, and I'm
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: hoping it's a BYU 24, you know, 20 win realistically one,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: one score either way. I could very well see that.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: My hope is that BYU competes well. What I don't
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: want is, you know, what happened against Texas tech last year.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: And I think this team's learned quite a bit from
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: those two games.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, and
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: obviously a win over Notre Dame is something that you just,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: it's a, it's a nice feather in the cap for
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: a coach's resume.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: This would be a good, good quote unquote issue to
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: deal with this. If you know, everyone's calling and they
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: have been for years, right? And it's not like this
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: is the first year. We always good last two years.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: We always been, you know, top 15, top 20. Good.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: So yeah, this, this would be, but this would be
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: a new kind of stratosphere of like, if BYU wins
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: this game, they are top five for sure. And they
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: have a real opportunity to make the college football playoff
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: for the first time, which would be great because BYU
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: has been knocking on the door for a long time. They,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: they knocked it over in 84. It's a different era.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: They took advantage. It was awesome. They didn't play a
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: super crazy schedule. They took advantage. But you know, in
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: 90 BYU is in the top five for several weeks
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: after beating Notre Dame and kind of spins out at
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: the end, you know, 96 BYU is top five. And
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: then it's like, Oh one BYU is knocking on the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: door of the BCS, but they, they lose, you know, six, seven, eight, nine.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: Those are good teams. They never kind of got to
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: that BCS or new year six game, you know, 20, 21, 24, 25.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: Now the huge opportunity and BYU has a game in
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: Provo to prove itself, which is very exciting. So hopefully
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: BYU can take advantage here.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Here's another question that annoys me to even have to ask,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: but has BYU ever before had a, Two players in
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: the NBA or the NFL or Major League Baseball or
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: any pro sport who are among the top three or
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: top five at their position. This is something that typically
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: belongs to Ohio State, to Miami, to USC. And right now,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, Puka is back and two healthy games back
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: is showing that he's one of the top receivers in
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: the country. And of course, Fred Warner continues to dominate,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: and that's a way for me to sneak in.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Niners beat Seahawks.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: But, you know, they're both BYU.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Guys, and they're both, especially in Fred's case, a very
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: vocal alum about being a BYU guy. So, like, have
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: they ever had this before, where you've got two of
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: the best at their respective positions in pro sports?
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: At first I thought you were going to like Yegor
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: and AJ cause they played last night. You know, we
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: hope AJ is like MVP caliber in the next couple
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: of years. And I think Yegor could be, you know,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: kind of a fringe all-star guy eventually, but I don't
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: think so. You know, in, in BYU's heyday, you know,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: you had, you had Steve Young as MVP multiple times,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: but I'm not sure there was kind of another guy there,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: unless you're like Bardo, Sid center.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, like was Rob Morris considered a top
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: whatever linebacker when Steve young was his thing?
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: No, I, no, I don't think so. You always had
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: very good players, but like all pro guys and everyone
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: knows it kind of thing. Especially with the attention. Now
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: that the NFL has, this is a special time for
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: BYU football and it's credit to clients talking like Puka
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: is a guy who got out of the portal and Fred,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: the guy that he recruited away from USC to come
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: to Provo is kind of a, a four-star guy. And
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: they have blossomed in an amazing way. And there's they're
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: in their prime still like Puka is just getting going
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: and Fred still has several more good years. So yeah,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: it's an exciting time for, for these guys in the pros.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: Cause let's be honest, there was a point where it
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: felt like BYU was like, at some point I felt like, Oh,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: it's not our job to get them to the NFL.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, it is. In the, maybe the previous
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: regime and Bronco was producing NFL guys, but I don't
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: feel like it was emphasized. I feel like it's important
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: to be wearing now. Like we want to get you
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: there and we're going to help you get you there.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: in the men's basketball side, it's actually front facing. It's
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: kind of the number one thing. It's like, we're going
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: to get you the NBA. We also want to win
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: in the NCAA tournament. Like it's, it's very interesting. And
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: because of that, BYU is recruiting at a really high
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: level in basketball and in football, they just came off
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: their highest ranked recruiting class ever, you know, Ryder Lyons
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: and Brock Harris were top five guys at their position.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: And they're coming to BYU after their missions, which is exciting.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Rams and Niners both active this weekend, by the way.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: So they, Fred Warner or Pookie cannot be celebrity pickers.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: And Chiefs. No Andy Reid. You go, nope, nope, nope. So, yeah.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: Is it Riley Arnold? Is it Ken Jennings? Is it
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: Ryan Smith? Is it Donny Osmond? Is it, you know, yeah,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: there's Taysom Mills available in Provo if they want it.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: We'll see where they go, man. I'm guessing they go
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: non-former player. I shouldn't say non-athlete. Riley's an athlete. Non-former
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: football player.
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  Speaker 3: Jeremy, the man appreciate you giving us some time. Enjoy
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: it this weekend.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: Hey, have a great call in Chicago on your, on
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: the fights, man.
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  Speaker 1: This one is.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Interesting news, if you've listened to the radio broadcast of
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Utah women's basketball, shout out to our guy Tyson, who
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: did a great job. Spencer McLaughlin is coming to Salt
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: Lake City after five seasons with Southern Utah to call
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Utah women's basketball.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: Welcome, Spencer.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Don't know much about him, so I looked it up.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Santa Clara university spent some time calling broad calling games
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: for Eastern Oklahoma.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Didn't even know that school existed.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, James Peterson, bonus points for you,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: James Peterson. If you can name the mascot of Eastern
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma state college.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Road runners, probably a decent guess. Prairie dogs.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: This one, mountain mountaineers huh because when you think of
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: eastern oklahoma you think of the mountains yeah i mean
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: you would think if there are any mountains in oklahoma
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: which i'm pretty sure there's not but if there are
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: any you'd think they'd be on in western oklahoma but
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: maybe they got a little ozarks action that's right in
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: eastern oklahoma the ozarks do extend into okay Eastern Oklahoma.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: So that's, and the Wachita Mountains. I think that's the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: right way to say them. Why are you winning this game?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Because you're a Wachita?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, and of course, in southeastern Oklahoma, you've got your
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Kiamichi Mountains.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: Kiamichi?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: Mountains.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Of course, Kaya Michi, Kia Michi elevation, 2,500 feet. Does
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: that count as a mountain?
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it does when everything else is flat,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: the rest of the state. So there you go.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Endemic wildlife, black bear, coyote, bobcat, deer, cougars, minks, bats,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: bald eagles, which are sacred to the Choctaw.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:29:08
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• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: So he went from mountaineers to thunderbirds and now utes.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Welcome, Spencer McLaughlin.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Big 12 has announced start times and TV streaming channels
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: for their basketball games. ESPN plus for the opener for
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: the running youths on against UCF. The first conference game
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: on linear television is going to be your home opener.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: That is January 6th on ESPN too. The BYU game
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: in Provo is going to be on TNT. The BYU
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: game at the Huntsman center in February is going to
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: be on ESPN too.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: So.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: We'll be talking about those, obviously, as they approach. Game
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: two of.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: The American League Championship Series tonight in Tampa. Guardians lead
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: 1-0 over the Rays right now.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Cover starts at 4. There's a 7. Oh, sorry. Maybe
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: I wrote that wrong. No, I read it wrong.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Cover starts at seven after the coaches show on your
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: home of the major league baseball playoffs. So right after
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: the Morgan Scali coaches show, you've got ALCS baseball also
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: in baseball. The, the Doyers are flirting with the idea
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: of benching Shohei Otani. Who's gone 24 games without a
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: home run. He's having the coldest hitting streak of his
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: illustrious career right now in the most important part of
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: the season. And they're thinking about, according to multiple reports,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: throwing a slump buster his way by benching him?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Here's a great idea. We're down 2-0. Let's bench our
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: best player and the best player in the league. Who
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: is obviously struggling, right? But you would think.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Let's, let's go with the idea that he's due and
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: we really need a big game from him in game three.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, I don't know any of the
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: nuance when it comes to like this crazy stuff with baseball,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: but if I'm going to make a change to try to,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: you know, interrupt the bad juju around Shohei Otani, it's
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: not a change where you take him out of the lineup.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: It's a change where maybe I put him somewhere else
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: in the lineup. I say, Hey Shohei, we're going to
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: You're hitting sixth instead.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Hey, you know what? You're going to bat ninth. You're
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: going to be our leadoff hitter right now.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: We're going to figure something out to try to, like,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: interrupt this bad juju and get you out of this
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: negative routine, get you out of this slump. But, I mean,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it pays off for him.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Dodgers thinking about the unthinkable and putting the best player
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: in baseball on the bench, not using him.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: As elimination looms. Crazy stuff.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to say this too soon because
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: we've seen teams in various sports blow 2-0 leads. It
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen in baseball all that much, but we've seen
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: it happen. It still does. But could the Brewers do
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: what felt like was the impossible, especially at the beginning
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: of the season? Especially after they traded for AL Cy
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: Young winner Tarek Skubal, who pitched well in a loss
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: in game one, right? Like, this felt like it was
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: impossible for anyone to beat this Dodgers team, particularly in
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: the National League. The Brewers are up 2-0 now. Of course,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Dodgers got a couple home games in a row here,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: but it feels like it might happen, OC. But again,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: I hesitate to even say that because... Maybe the Dodgers
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: come back and win this series somehow. Monday Night Football
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: last night capped off a really insane week of finishes
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: in NFL football, and it was a classic. 37-34 in overtime.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen gets his first overtime win. He was 0-7
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: leading into this game. I was not aware of that
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: until he finally busted his slump. 37-34 victory for the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, 40-54.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: 383 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions, and still not enough
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: to beat the Buffalo Bills. Rams could not really run
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: the ball very effectively. 77 total yards on the ground
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: for the Rams. Puka Nakua, 17 catches on 24 targets,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: 138 yards and a touchdown. He also ran the ball
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: twice for nine yards. On the bills side of things,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Cole Bishop led all tacklers in this game, or I
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: should say on the bills, 11 tackles for Cole Bishop
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: played well. Dalton Kincaid, the former Ute tight end had
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: one catch for seven yards and Josh Allen, 12 of
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: 19 for two 10, one touchdown, one interception.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: He was also sacked once.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: He also ran 10 times for 121 yards and scored
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: a touchdown. So Josh Allen is wills his team to
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: victory over a Los Angeles Rams squad that played pretty
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: well in this game. And Matthew Stafford continues to impress
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: almost 80% completion and three touchdowns, but not enough to
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: get over the hump and the Rams fall to two
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: and three, which is just chef's kiss.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: Beautiful. If you're a San Francisco 49ers fan, the.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: Presumed, the, Previously crowned Super Bowl champions will have to
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: figure some things out when Miles Garrett returns to the lineup.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Nate Landman, the former Colorado Buffalo linebacker for the Rams,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: led their team in tackles. And Aaron Donald had a
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: fumble recovery but was pretty quiet otherwise in this game.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: Penny Hardaway, another story here in the Daily Dump. Remember
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Penny Hardaway getting into some issues at Memphis with improper
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: benefits he was giving to players, and he was like, guys, relax.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: I'm buying these kids meals because they need meals. I'm
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: providing things. I'm trying to be a bit of a
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: father figure to these athletes. Penny Hardaway played and acted,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: by the way, in a time when athletes were getting
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: a hundred dollar handshakes and the impermissible benefits were kind
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: of a thing that everyone just looked the other way
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: and chuckled about. And Penny Hardaway also in a recent
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: interview says that he paid $ 2. 6 million out of his
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: own pocket to fulfill rev share promises to Memphis athletes.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: That is, I mean, unacceptable on every front. First of all,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: it's impermissible. But second of all, like an institution, even
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: if it's a highly compensated individual, like a head coach,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: an institution should pay their own debts and not expect
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: the employees to come out of pocket to pay those
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: debts or to pay those agreements. But Penny Hardaway claims
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: that he paid $ 2. 6 million of his own money for
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: rev share at university of Memphis. That's pretty insane. I've always,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: we've had this happen at the university of Utah where like,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: you know, there'll be a donation from the coach back
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: to the university's NIL fund, back to the university's slush fund,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: whatever Morgan Scali and his wife did this. Kyle Winningham
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: did this coaches in a lot of different places have,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: have agreed to do this. They've done this thing where they,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: donates to their own causes effectively. While it is a
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: wonderful gesture, I've always found it to be a little
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: bit odd because you're like, just let them keep the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: money in the first place or don't, don't give it
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: back and make it like a PR thing. But he says,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Penny Hardaway says that he put up $ 2. 6 million for
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: the Memphis roster. And that just can't be a thing
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: in college sports. You can't allow a coach to pay
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: for his own players. You can't expect the coach to
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: pay for his own players. And the athletic director at
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Memphis says that there's a lot more nuance to that.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: But Penny says, no, I wrote a check for $ 2. 6 million.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: He also said that Memphis didn't ask him to do it.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: but they said, if you need, if you want more
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: money than this, you're going to have to put up
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: your own money.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Good for you, Penny.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: I'd have been like, Nope.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: UFC was in town last weekend, I guess two weekends
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: ago now. And this is something that hits a very
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: small niche of our listeners or people that have stayed
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: kind of on top of a lot of the controversy,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: the debate around combat sports and around MMA in particular.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: There is a.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Pervasive narrative about fighter pay and the fact that only
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: about you know, 10 to 13% of the UFC's total
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: profits are funneled back into the pockets of fighters. Whereas
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: in leagues like the NBA, the NFL, major league baseball,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: and all these collectively bargain leagues, it's closer to a
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: 50% split in almost every one of these cases. I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: think the lowest might be major league soccer with like
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: a 60, 40, but in the, in the UFC where
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: there's just an insane, I mean, it's, it's an insanely
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: profitable company. They are more profitable than the Los Angeles Lakers.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: They're more profitable than every individual franchise in NBA basketball.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: And they don't give the money back to the, uh,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: give the money back to the athletes. This company, a
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: gambling company. I've never heard of this one.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: It's an online casino. It's called gam, gamdom, like gambling kingdom, gamdom, um,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: They are offering, and I haven't been able to find
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: the fine print, but they've announced an offer to sponsor
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: every single UFC fighter for $ 10, 000 per month. My guy,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Court McGee, who just recently announced your retirement, maybe announce
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: it on retirement and see how many months of this $ 10, 000 per.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Month you can get from this gambling company.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: This would be the equivalent of NIL finally being allowed
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: for student athletes. That's how much of a game changer
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: this is because the biggest criticism with these combat sports
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: and with MMA is.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: That you get paid when you fight. You don't get
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: paid otherwise.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: If you're lucky enough, if you're famous enough, if you're
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: popular enough, you can find these types of sponsorships where
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: you're getting like a monthly stipend instead of just Hey,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: you wore our logo on your shorts. Here's five grand
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: or 10 grand or a hundred grand or whatever. And
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: this company is offering $ 10, 000 per month to every fighter
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: on the roster.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Game changer.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: And we've seen this in college sports at various schools, right?
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: we saw this with Utah and the, the automobile sponsorship
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: that they had a couple of seasons ago where everybody,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: every student athlete in the department got a free car
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't all that long lasting. It was a lease,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: not an ownership thing. So I'll see, I'll be curious
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: to see how long this lasts. And obviously it's a
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: great headline and free advertising for this company, but their
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: CEO is a big fan and says, look, I know
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: what it takes. I, I think that these people should
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: be compensated better, so I'm offering $ 10, 000 per month for
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: every single fighter. To my knowledge, I don't think they
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: have an official gambling agreement or sponsorship agreement with the
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: company itself, with the UFC itself, which is another big
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: problematic thing. It's like if you're at an Adidas school,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: which Utah is going to become, and Nike comes to
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: you and says, hey, we want to give you $ 10, 000
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: a month, you just got to wear Nikes.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I can't, not in the games.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: If this company has an expectation that you're going to
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: be able to rep them in the fight and they
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: don't have an agreement with the parent company, then I
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: don't know how much it's going to work out. Last
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: thing to get to in the Daily Dump before we
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: take our final break of the hour and then we
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: get to Jeff Schwartz to start our number three. We
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: talked about this on the show yesterday. The Atlanta Dream
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: in the WNBA finals and for games three and four.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: looked like they were going to have to play in
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: a 3,500-seat arena because they're in the process of moving
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: out of temporary housing into State Farm Arena where the
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawks play. The WNBA has followed James Peterson's advice,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: and they are changing the date for Game 3 so
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: that you can play Game 3 at State Farm Arena.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: And then they're changing the start time for Game 4
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: to make sure that the arena is available. It's a
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: day game, which is kind of weird, but game three
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: has been moved from October 22nd, a day ahead to
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: October 21st game four. Now, instead of starting at 1
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: 30 PM, they're going to start at one and the
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Hawks play at their home arena that night.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: So you got to swap out the floor.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Game four is now going to start at 1 PM
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: in the WNBA finals. The Hawks are going to tip
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: off at 6 30 PM instead of six. So you
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: bought an extra hour, an extra 60 minutes for the,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: the crew inside of state farm arena to change over
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: the arena from dream to Hawks. And maybe we can
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: get like the Delta center facilities manager or somebody on to,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: to give us an actual timeline. of how long it
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: takes to swap out the floor, how long it takes
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: to move from jazz to mammoth or vice versa, or
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: possibly Huntsman center. Like how long does it take for,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: for gymnastics, red rocks set up to be taken down
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: in time for the Saturday, uh, basketball game.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: You can, and you know, like men's and women's basketball
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: at the university of Utah play on the same surface.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: They can play on the same in the NBA and
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: the WNBA there's branding and logos and sponsors and everything's different. And,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: and now in arena stuff, right. It used to be
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: that you, there's a lot of signage that had to
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: be swapped out. Now, most signage is digital. So you
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: just have to program that into the screen. So I
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: think that's probably a lot quicker, but the floor is
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: still a thing. Atlanta is going to try to pull
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: this off for the dream so that they can have,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, a real big boy, big girl venue
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: to host a WNBA finals game or games in seems
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: like the right thing to do.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: It really does.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: And I know that the there's a obvious for some
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: people to say, well, okay, WNBA finals isn't as big
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: a deal as NBA regular season game. And whether that's
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: true or not, like you're obligated on that big of
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: a stage for that sport, for that league to make
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: sure that you do right by the tree.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: If you continue with that attitude, and I think that
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: you're right. I think a lot of people have that.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: If you continue to, to just shrug your shoulders and say,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: WNBA finals don't matter, but an NBA regular seat, like the,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: I get week one, week two NBA regular season game
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: matters more than a WNBA finals game. If that's the
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: attitude that we continue to adopt and push and talk about,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: then that's how it's always going to be. If you
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: shrug your shoulders and say, Oh, sorry, ladies, you're playing
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: in 30 in the 3,500 seat arena. Then the expectation
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: remains there, right? If you treat things like they're a
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: big deal, they become more of a big deal. That's like,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: there's a chicken and the egg argument always to be
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: had with this kind of a stuff.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: But if there's anything.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: I've learned in years of sports entertainment and sports in general,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes the fake it till you make it actually works.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Sometimes pretending that you are a star manifesting that makes
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: you more of a star, right? talking your way into
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: something or talking your way out of something in sports
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: more than any other place is very, very possible. Maybe,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: maybe like Hollywood, it's more possible than in sports, but
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: in sports, it's crazy how you can just pretend your
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: way into being a big deal, how you can just
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: put yourself in the headlines by either expecting more or
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: take yourself out of them by expecting less. So I
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: think that, I don't think this is the right way
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: to treat it. If you keep telling WNBA players that
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: even your championship is not as important as an early
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: regular season game, not from a popularity standpoint, I'm not
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: talking about viewers. I'm talking about you've earned your way
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: into a WNBA championship opportunity, but we don't care about
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: that because the Hawks game means more.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: You're just looking at it and going, what the Hawks
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Hawks aren't even good.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: It's not like you're shutting down a Knicks game for this,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: the defending champs.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: It's the Hawks.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: They haven't done jack. So I think this is the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: right thing for Atlanta to be doing. I think, by
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: the way, credit to the Hawks as well, because the Hawks,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: this is an acknowledgement from the Hawks. And I know
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: the interests are intertwined with WNBA and NBA because of
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: the supplementation and things like that. But a credit to
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: the Hawks and everyone working there that's just like, yeah,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: let's make room. Let's make it work. Because you could...
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: If you had the wrong attitude about this, you'd be like, no,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: this is our place. We're going to take priority. Our
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: game matters more than your championship series. So I like
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: that this is happening for the WNBA. And by the way,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: I like that we're going to talk about these WNBA
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: finals between the Valkyrie and the Dream for the basketball
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: and not for the soap opera.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: I get it. The soap opera is necessary and it's
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: made the WNBA more popular, but.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: This is going to be a basketball series talked about
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: for the basketball. or not talked about for the basketball.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be about Caitlin Clark getting elbowed
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: in the face. Asia Wilson getting mad at fans pointing
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: at her. It's going to be about the basketball.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: At least I think.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: Angel Reese is on the dream. So we shall see.
• 1:48:34
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  Speaker 8: We have reached a point in the season where our
• 1:50:24
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  Speaker 7: You're taking pleasure in my pain? Is that a word
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 7: I just heard?
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  Speaker 1: A little bit.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: A little bit, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because, you know, it's just part of our friendship.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 7: I did not get a text from Kono, so I'm
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 7: glad that I think when... It's also weird because Washington
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 7: and USC also aren't very good, so like... like it's
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: been a it's been a fairly like fairly tame like
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 7: response on social media it's mostly just duck fans tweeting
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 7: at me because like what are washington fans gonna say
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: yeah what are usc fans gonna say like you know
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 7: i see this thing it's just it's the dumbest thing
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 7: ever right you know like dan lanning you know his
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 7: speeches and blah blah blah his appearances i'm like What
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 7: has Chesney done for 24 hours to do a national
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 7: TV appearance? Of course, why would you not? They put
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 7: out a video the other day of Chesney talking before
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: the Oregon game, like a great speech. Of course you
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: put that stuff after you win. When you lose, you don't.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: I don't know why this is a controversial thing. Like,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 7: show the Ducks first then when you lose. No one
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 7: shows a highlight video when they lose. Who does that?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 7: What are we doing here? So, you know, I saw
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 7: a graphic today that had like the 10... highest-paid coaches
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 7: in all of college football. And it listed out their accomplishments,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 7: like conference championship, playoff appearance, playoff win, and national championship.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: And Dan Lanning is the youngest on that list by
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: four years. And I'm disappointed with how the season has gone.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: It hasn't gone the way that it should, but I
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 7: still have a lot of faith in our program. So
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 7: it was a bummer. You can't turn the ball over
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 7: six times. And with all that being said, had a
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 7: chance to tie the game and go to overtime. We
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: probably wouldn't have had overtime, right? So, you know, we've
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 7: spent a long time talking about Oregon over the years,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 7: me and you, and what the Oregon's done, and we've
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: talked about this often, is they win a lot of
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: the margins, you know, and they haven't done it all
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 7: this year. Just like zero of the margins have been won.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 7: You know, fourth down's terrible this year. Two-point conversion attempts
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 7: were terrible this year. You know, I mean, it's a
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 7: bad year. It stinks. I haven't felt this way in
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: October in a season forever, but I will say this.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 7: Give me 12 playoff teams right now. You know, like,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: so a lot of football left. I was talking with
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: someone about this today. I mean, the big 12 could
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 7: have two playoff teams. If Utah plays Texas tech and
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: they're both 12 in the big 10 championship game, they're
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: both going to play off the way things are breaking
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: right now.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: So right now I just looked at this during the break.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: Utah's got, according to some metric, they've got a 51%
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: chance to make the college football playoff. And look, We're
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: the home of the youths. I love seeing something like that.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: There's a lot to talk about with this team. There's
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: a lot to talk about with this roster. We talked
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: about this before week one even happened. Until you get
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: to the Houston game, you will not have played anybody.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: And that is still the truth. I mean, Utah is
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: showing us who they are. They're a team that is
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: capable of winning and covering against inferior competition. And I
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: think they're going to mollywop Colorado this week. And then
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: we're going to see what happens against Houston. And when
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: they win that game, if they win that game, then
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: I'll start to pay a little bit more attention to
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: some of these lofty expectations. But everyone in sports should
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: have learned this lesson many times over that Oregon might
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: be better at the end of the year than they
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: are now. Utah might be better at the end of
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: the year than they are now.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: They might not.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: And we just have to let it play.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely. But you're allowed as a fan to get
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 7: a little ahead of yourself, I think, right? Like Utah
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 7: to me has looked better than I thought they would. And,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 7: you know, I was watching the film for the Joe
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 7: Moore Award. That's why I was, you know, I was
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 7: looking at Utah to see, you know, we're putting on
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 7: a mid-season honor roll, come out pretty soon. And so
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 7: I was looking, you know, doing my checks and whatnot.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: And I've watched a Utah film last couple of weeks
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: just to, you guys are scoring a lot of points, right?
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 7: You tend to look at teams that score a lot
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 7: of points. Like what are the reasons why? And some
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: of the stuff you guys do on offense, buddy, I
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 7: don't even know how to explain it. I don't even
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 7: know what they call it in the huddle. I want
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: to know what they call it in the huddle.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: Well, we have Kevin McGiven on. We'll record the interview
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: with him this week. We'll record it tomorrow. And, like,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: the play that you put on your Twitter where they
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: have two quarterbacks who start the play or start the
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: formation lined up out as wide receivers, and then they
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: motion together back into the backfield. So you've got two quarterbacks,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: two running backs, two tight ends. You've got a little
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: bit of everything.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 7: No, it was two quarterbacks, two wide receivers, two tight ends.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Right, sorry, two quarterbacks, two wide receivers, not two running backs.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got these insane sort of combinations, and
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: then the motions that they run and the blocking schemes
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: that they run off of those things, especially if one
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: of those tight ends is Semitao Longo, who's 320 pounds.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 5: It's really.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: A novel offense.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: It's really different.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: And it's something that, you know, I think we're having
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: so much fun watching, but how much of that can
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: you make your bread and butter?
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 7: Okay. So this is, this is sort of, I'm glad
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: we talked about this because, you know, I've, I've long
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: believed that you need to have sort of a, a
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 7: base offense and a lot of these fun things you
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 7: guys do. aren't going to work as well. Historically, they've
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 7: not worked as well against better defenses, right? Because it
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 7: is a lot of eye candy. It's a lot of...
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 7: Gimmick's the wrong word to use, but there's just a
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 7: lot happening on these plays, and better teams just aren't
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 7: going to get fooled by it. Then it comes down
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: to just, are you blocking and tackling? It's not offensively,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 7: but blocking and executing better than the opponent, right? But
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 7: some of the stuff, even... There was a play, first
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 7: play of the second half, you had a... You were
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 7: in empty... You motioned Parker from right to left, and
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 7: then it was like a quarterback trap or a run
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 7: to left with Parker with a tackle pulling. Like you
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 7: two see a G play and then like a trap,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 7: and you read the defensive tackle. Like that stuff is wild, man.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 7: And it works. It works really well. And so I
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 7: will see Houston a couple weeks. I do think you
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 7: guys just– I think Colorado is dead, deader than dead.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 7: Any concern at all about the defense, though? Kansas threw
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 7: the ball. I know the first half was mostly, I
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 7: think it was they scored 70 points off turnovers, right?
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 7: If we count fourth down, being stopped on fourth down.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: So I don't know if that's a big deal. But
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 7: second half, they threw the ball pretty well. They shouldn't
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: score points.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: When you've got, there was, in the third quarter, I think, right?
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: As the fourth quarter was starting, they had, Kansas being day,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: had 250 yards on chunk plays and like 49 yards
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: outside of chunk plays. And I was like, wait, how
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: am I supposed to feel about that? Because obviously that's
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: just all offense. You don't want to be giving up
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: more than one chunk play a game when it's a
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: dozen of them.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: That's really alarming and problematic. But also....
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: And something that I don't think is going to be
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: the norm, at least I hope is not going to
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: be the norm, as you're watching it and you're seeing
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: that on film, are you like, oh, yeah, well, these
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: guys are not as good at man coverage as Utah
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: typically is at man coverage, and they're not going to
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: be able to get away with this anymore?
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 7: I don't know. So a couple of things. So obviously
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: you're right. You'd rather give up less explosive plays than not, right?
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, those are a lot of teams get into
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 7: games or get back against explosive plays, right? But some
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 7: of that just felt like Kansas, this quarterback, just being extra.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 7: And sometimes when you're... No, like honestly, when you're extra,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 7: it's hard. The defense just sometimes... they let their guard down.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 7: It's tougher to cover, obviously, very long into a possession.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 7: I don't make much of it because it hasn't been
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 7: a problem all season. And again, 17 of those points
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 7: came off a turnover, right? I'm including, you had a
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 7: turnover on downs, right? I think about midfield. And then
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 7: Kansas scored, and then you fumble first, whatever it was.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, Kansas scored 17 first half points on essentially
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: three turnovers. So, I'm not really worried about it. In Colorado,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 7: their quarterback play is atrocious. They're starting with Isaac Wilson,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 7: they said, who's been bad, like bad, bad, bad this year.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure because of the matter this weekend, but
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 7: it'll matter. It's Houston. I'm not going to tell you
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 7: the better teams on your schedule. Obviously, BYU is one
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 7: of them.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: So looking at what Utah is, though, right, they are 5-0.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: They are one of the.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: Top-ranked teams in the country. They've won and covered. They're
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: taking care of business the way that they're supposed to.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: They've scored on their opening possession of every single game.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, we've spent the last five weeks nitpicking
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: because that's what we're going to do when everything's going well.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: As you prognosticate and you project it out to Colorado
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: and beyond, do you feel like this team is going
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: to justify their No.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: 11 ranking?
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 7: I think so. Look, it depends. I've not watched them
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 7: as closely as you have, obviously. Do you have individual
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 7: pass rushers that can win?
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm glad we're talking about this because... That is,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: and it manifested itself against Kansas, where the pass rush
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: was creating pressure and making him move, but Ike Marshall
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: is not going to finish his career at Kansas.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: He's too dynamic of an athlete.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: That guy just extended the play, and then your defensive
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: back in second, number five, six, and seven is eventually
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: going to lose his coverage, and some of those explosive
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: plays came off that.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: Their pass rushers in all of these games have won.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: They beat the offensive linemen, or they beat the tight end,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: or they beat the chip from the running back, but
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: then they don't finish the sack, and it drives me
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: absolutely insane. I could probably cut you like 25 plays,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: no exaggeration, that that has been the case. And again,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: against Bear Bachmeier and Connor Wegman and Noah Fafita, that
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: is going to be a lot more problematic.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's exactly right. So the question, obviously, as
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 7: I mentioned, you're doing a lot of things well, but
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 7: then when you play the big dogs, these are some
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 7: of the things you have to do great, right? Like,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 7: can you rush the passer on the third down? Can
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 7: you keep the quarterback in the pocket? Can you win
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 7: first and second down to make sure third down is
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 7: very manageable? So the passers thing is a little bit alarming.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: You can't sag. Now, pressures are great. And maybe you're just,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 7: the more reps you convert those into, This weekend, Colorado
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: should score no more than 10 points on you guys.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: That's how Colorado's just not good. That's a benchmark for
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 7: this weekend, I feel like. But otherwise, I think you've
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 7: got to be pretty excited about where the offense is at,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 7: even where it could get to with more reps. I
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 7: just find the two-quarterback thing is so fascinating to me, Matt.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 7: It's just so unique. I'm sure it creates a lot
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 7: of problems for for teams you play against to prepare?
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 7: How do you prepare for it?
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: How do you prepare for it?
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't know who's going to take the snap,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: much less what they're going to do when they get
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: the snap.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 7: I mean, obviously, you know if, you know, one, if essentially,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 7: you know, Ficklin gets it, he's throwing left, right? Like,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 7: and Dan Pierce throwing right, but you don't know if
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 7: they're getting the ball, you know what I mean? Like,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 7: you don't know what's going to happen on a given play.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 7: It just, it seems like it's just very difficult to
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 7: figure out, and that's obviously the point of all this,
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 7: but Again, we'll see how it works against Houston and
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 7: BYU and some of the better teams you're going to play.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 5: It'll work.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 7: You're going to do Colorado, Northwestern, dominate them with just
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 7: game plan, play action, pass and run plays. You guys
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 7: should dominate Colorado. Even if Colorado's off a bye, it
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 7: doesn't matter to me.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: Plus, they're going to leave a playbook around so you
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: get to see what's.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 7: In the playbook. It does not button up. I think, too,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 7: one thing about Utah that's been impressive so far is again,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 7: I'm not watching every game, so you could be wrong
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 7: on this, but It does feel like there's not a
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 7: lot of first-time coach in-game mistakes. Oh, man.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: I think that that has been one of the most
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: impressive things about it because, again, it's five new starting
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: offensive linemen with a new offensive line coach. And there's
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: not a lot of procedural penalties. There's not false starts.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: There's not even a bunch of holding. I mean, they're
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: just not heavily penalized. And that was a group that
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: we were looking at saying, like, all right, there's going
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: to be growing pains here. New coordinator on offense, new
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: coordinator on defense. And in both cases, you're looking at
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: pretty clean play. And that is something that, to me,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: is not overly influenced by the quality of your opponents, right?
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: Your self-inflicted wounds. It doesn't really matter who's across from you.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: And Morgan Scali just runs a nice, tight ship.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 7: The offensive line, as I mentioned, I watched for Joe
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 7: Moore Ward consideration. And, you know, they sort of embody...
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 7: what I saw from Jordan Gross, the player, right? They're
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 7: real technically sound. I don't know if you noticed, they're
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 7: pretty scrappy as well. They're a little undersized, right? A
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 7: little bit, I think, still. You know, they're not putting
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 7: guys in the dirt as much as you would like, probably,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 7: because I think they're a little smaller, right? They're not thick,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 7: as thick, right, as you would, I think, like. But again,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 7: they're all five new starting guys. But a couple of things, like,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 7: their technique is really good. Like, you could tell they're
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 7: very well coached. And then they don't have a lot
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 7: of mental mistakes. eyes are where they're supposed to be.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 7: They're not missing blocks. They're not falling off blocks. It
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 7: looks like a very well-coached group. I'm not surprised given
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 7: DeJuan is their coach, but to have five new guys
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 7: and not have any of the issues that Oregon's having
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 7: right now, it's Oregon's worst offensive line in, I couldn't
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 7: tell you, Sean. They're playing really bad right now. Not
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 7: any of those concerns at Utah is really good. Credit
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 7: to the coaching staff.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: Are you at all surprised that college game day decided
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: to come to Provo this week when Ohio state and
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: Indiana are playing also.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 7: No, cause that's a Fox game.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 7: Not, not that game that cares, but that's, that's probably
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 7: why that the Provo, the BYU game is on in
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 7: ESPN network. So Disney ABC network. So I have not
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 7: watched on a BYU. I couldn't tell you much about BYU. Um,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 7: I don't know. Irish are really good. They're just fricking
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 7: rolling along right now. Um, You're very curious to see
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 7: if a step-up competition for the Irish here will change
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 7: how they've been playing.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: BYU's good. They're really good.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: Without two of their best five players, they still beat
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: Iowa State, who I know is not particularly great, but
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: held their best players to well below season averages in
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: every category that mattered. So I think BYU's pretty good.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: The spread makes sense to me. It's a 10.5-point game
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's about right.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: Utah fans keep getting mad at me because I'm like,
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: it's actually in Utah's best interest if BYU beats Notre
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: Dame and then Utah beats BYU. But people don't want
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: to root for BYU, of course.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: Why would you?
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: It's not about conference pride either. It's not about, well,
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: do what's best for the Big 12. It's about beating
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: a top, potentially beating a top five team instead of
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: beating a top 11 team. Like if BYU loses to
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame close, I don't think they'll get punished heavily
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: for it, but it would be a bigger win if
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: you smashed your rival. or you beat your rival that
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: thought that they were headed to the college football playoff
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: after beating a nationally relevant power.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand that. But also, I want Washington to
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 7: lose every game. It's fair, yeah. I understand that idea,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 7: what you said. But again, I'm okay if Washington loses
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 7: as many games as possible. So it is interesting that
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 7: Pacific Northwest, like Oregon State might be the best team.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 7: I don't think they would beat Oregon in a game.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 7: I know Oregon State fans have been saying, This fantasy world,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 7: they're going to be Oregon or Washington. But, like, Oregon
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 7: State's played some really good football, man.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where's that Jesse Legree kid going to be next year?
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 5: Texas.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: He's so good.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 7: Isn't it terrible that we have to talk about it
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 7: like this?
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is pretty terrible.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 7: Like, Oregon State can't enjoy their quarterback and wide receiver
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 7: for more than a year because they'll be offered $ 3
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 7: million to go play Texas. I mean, heck, Oregon could
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 7: probably use him. I mean, I don't know if they're
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 7: going to do that. But, like, this kid– I think
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 7: I wrote this week, 38 catches for 900 yards at
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 7: Oregon State through six games and 12 touchdowns.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: It's a really good season for most people.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 7: And it's 5-11? Yeah. Now, again, it's Colorado State, San
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 7: Diego State. They get Boise in two weeks. We'll see
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 7: what that looks like. It'll get a better team, but
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 7: your job is, if you're good, you should beat bad teams, right?
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 7: And play well against bad teams. And that's what they're doing.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 7: They're playing really well against these teams. We'll get a
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 7: new sense of that. And now the question for Beaver fans, again,
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 7: this really stinks, is like, is their coach there next year?
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 7: Does Washington call him? He just came from Washington. Or
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 7: came from Bama. Is he getting calls to go somewhere else?
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 7: Jake Dickard, who we covered in the Pac-12, is he
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 7: getting calls to go leave Wake after this? Wake's having
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 7: a great season.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, this is something that BYU fans
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: get mad at me for because you had that controversy
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: in the offseason. Kalani Satake and the athletic director didn't
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: get along. Penn State almost got him to come to
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: Happy Valley, and now there's teams on the West Coast
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: where he's got more intuitive connections that are going to
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: be looking for head coaches and potentially even bigger jobs
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: still to open. So yeah, it's just part of college
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: football now that there's this spirit of a predatory competition.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: Anytime you don't have what you want at a big
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: school with a lot of money, you can just go
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: steal it from somebody else.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 7: I know it stinks.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: Unless you're Florida state, apparently because they're like a half
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: a billion dollars in debt and can't pay the buyout.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 7: Well, The thing about that, it's like bad debt too.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 7: It's a facility debt. And like, so, you know, like
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 7: you're not making the money on the facilities to pay
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 7: off the debt. So they can't take a loan out against,
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 7: they have no more leverage to take out more loans
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 7: because they're, they basically are against the property. They're never
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 7: going to sell. They don't make enough money off the property.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, the bank gets the money back when they
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 7: sell the property eventually.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 7: That's like, I guess technically how it'll work. And you're
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 7: not making enough money off the property to, so that
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 7: the bank is like, nah, you're not getting a loan anymore.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 7: It's crazy. In debt, that much money is a lot
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 7: of money, dude.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: Seems unfathomable, if we're being honest.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 7: This is not to turn it into a financial show,
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 7: but the thing about debt, though, too, is that if
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 7: the bank's never going to call them on their debt,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 7: who cares?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: Well, you care if it means that You can't.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 7: Find an Oval. But I'm talking about just like conventionally. Oh,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 7: my God, that's a lot of debt. It is, but
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 7: the bank doesn't call you on it. Then who cares?
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 7: It doesn't matter.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the scenario in which you do care.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure every university and every major institution
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: can just bury a lot of things, like bury debt
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: and not worry about anyone ever coming to collect.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're in the United States. It's our entire country, right?
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: When it means, oh, wait, we can't make a move
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: to improve our football team. That's a problem, yeah.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: That's a big problem.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 7: Well, I agree. No, that I agree with.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: Are we ready to crown the San Francisco 49ers as
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: the eventual Super Bowl champs?
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 7: I don't know how you keep doing all those injuries.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 7: It makes no sense. I thought Cooper Cup was easily
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 7: out of bounds. I don't get the fury over that call.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: Neither do I.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 7: I thought he was very clearly like the ball was.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 7: was out of bounds before he got the first down.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 7: I don't think it was that controversial. People are very
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 7: angry when you say this. I'm sure you thought the
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 7: same thing. I mean, you're a Niners fan.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going to be objective, probably.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 7: I didn't think he made it to the first down
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 7: before the ball crossed the plane of the out of bounds.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: Is Josh Allen getting his first overtime win meaningful in
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: any way besides it being a stat?
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 7: So he's the same as DeMarcus Russell now. Good for him. No,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 7: the thing with Josh is it just depends on what
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 7: he does in the playoffs. No one cares what he
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 7: does now.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fair.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 7: Are you going to win the playoffs? That's the question
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 7: for them. If he's not going to win the playoffs,
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 7: none of this matters. That's really what it comes down
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 7: to for Josh. We know he's good in the regular season.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 7: Are you good in the playoffs, yes or no?
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: Who has impressed you most in the NFL so far,
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: besides San Francisco?
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 7: Jacksonville has played really good football so far this year.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 7: We'll see, obviously, what that looks like when, you know,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 7: I think they've got Houston this week. And then, so Jacksonville,
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 7: I guess the teams I didn't expect to be good,
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 7: Jacksonville was certainly one of them. The Giants have played,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 7: you know, the 3-1-1. They played better than I thought,
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 7: even with Jameis. I think they're, you know, they've been
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 7: better than I thought they would be this year. A
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 7: lot of teams I thought that would be bad, though,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 7: were really bad. And I was right about Bo Nix, too.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 7: So Sean Payton, I'm sure he's on Twitter. going to
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 7: respond to me and say, you know what, Schwartz, I'm sorry.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: I apologize.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 7: Sorry. I'm sorry. I'll take it back. But I don't
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 7: think that's going to happen, unfortunately.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: How is it handled in the NFL when you procedurally
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: fail to get a potential game winner off in a
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: field goal situation?
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 7: For the commanders? Yes. Yeah, you're freaking furious at your
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 7: coaching staff and your quarterback for that, but you're a professional.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 7: And so you have to continue doing your job, you know,
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 7: this week, like you can't just go in the tank
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 7: over this, but you know, I had a situation like
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 7: this with the giants where we had a, a thing where,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 7: you know, someone told us to do something that was
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 7: just like the wrong thing to do. And we lost
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 7: the game. And I threw my helmet in the locker
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 7: room and just like, just furious, man. But you know,
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 7: your job, you come back next week, you play football, man.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 7: Like that's your job. So, but this is a problem
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 7: with this is that Dan Quinn's, Sorry, another nail in
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 7: the coffin for Dan Quinn. Like, just not a good
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 7: coach with Washington. And he's probably going to lose his job.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 7: So this is a trickle-down effect for Campbell. Also, you know, Jaden, buddy,
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 7: do you not know the situation?
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: When your quarterback is supposed to be like an extension
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: of the coaching staff, how much blame goes to him?
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 7: A lot. So he claims the coaches didn't tell him
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 7: he needed to to get down, you know, throw the
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 7: ball out of bounds in his headset, which is, I
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 7: would just say, I wouldn't, you know, other quarterbacks wouldn't
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 7: throw their coaches under the bus like that, first of all, right? So, like,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 7: you know, the Holmes would never do that. Josh Allen
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 7: would never do that. They wouldn't do that. They just wouldn't.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 7: That's beside the point, though. Like, you have to know
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 7: what the situation is. You know timeouts, which you knew,
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 7: and you have 20 seconds left, and, like, you have
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 7: to know, just get, throw the ball out of bounds,
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 7: Throw the ball somewhere. The clock's got to stop. And
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 7: the clock just didn't stop. And it was something that
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 7: I thought was just really something that they couldn't have done.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: Do the Schwartz kids already have their Halloween costumes picked out?
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: Is that serious?
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 7: No, I mean, I just walked into my office upset
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 7: with Alex. What's your Halloween costume? I don't know. Doesn't
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 7: know yet.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 3: Figure it out.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 7: What's the problem with your brother? So I have two
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 7: sushis missing.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 7: Okay. Do you hear what she said?
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 7: I ate those two sushi. Tell them to give you
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 7: one more.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 7: I ate one of those sushi. I was hungry. I
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 7: bought two things of sushi.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: You've caused a problem between your children because of your
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: sushi gluttony.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 7: And so they're now going to, you know, everything's got
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 7: to be 50-50. You can't do that with your house.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 7: I don't know how it's got to be. I don't
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 7: know how you're going to do that in your house.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 3: Just slice everything into thirds.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 7: This thirds, thirds. You just get, you get, you get,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 7: we have 18 pieces. You just get six.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 5: Third.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: I just going to have to have a fourth kid
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: so I can make it quarters and much easier.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, a fourth kid requires a couple of things. Uh,
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 7: so we're stuck at two. Do you want to, do
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 7: you want to explain it? I think we're, I, I'm
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 7: not on this network. I think other, other places, maybe, um, um, Uh,
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 7: that's why we're, we're at two. We're never, we can't,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 7: just can't go to three. So, um, but you know, I,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 7: Meredith looked into the third kid like two years after
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 7: Emmy and just didn't tell me. And the doctor was like,
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 7: you can't do this. So she did. She, she's like, looked,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 7: she went to the back of the clinic, decided not
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 7: to involve you.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 7: Emmy was, uh, Emmy was IVF. And so she went
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 7: to the doctor and the doctor was like, yeah, you
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 7: had kidney failure last time. She goes, I had what?
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 7: And he's like, yeah, we can't have any more kids.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 7: So we went ahead a third. I'm glad we did.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 7: I'm fine with two. you know, one of each.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: Well, good luck with the baseball and the softball.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: And thanks for tonight.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 7: Thunderbats, six and one, six and one bats.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: Go Thunderbats. Thanks for joining me, bud.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 7: Take care, buddy. Have a good week.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: That's Jeff Schwartz, college football, NFL gambling insider.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: Family referee. Add that to the resume.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: Man, tell you what, when the kids are fighting over James,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: you've got one so far and yeah, there will be
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: a time. Right now he's fighting, or it's more my
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: wife and I fighting over who he prefers the most,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: I guess, is the fight in the house.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: And right now it's her, so whatever. Yeah.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'll ever win that battle in my house.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: If there's good cop, bad cop, I have to be
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: bad cop.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: Just the way things are going to be.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: We'll take a quick one.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 4: You're listening to The Sean O'Connell Show, your source for
• 2:16:49
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• 2:16:53
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• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: All right, news for the BYU-Notre Dame game.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: It looks like Leonard Moore projected top five NFL draft pick,
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: presumed to be the top corner in all of college
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: football this year. sustained a concussion a couple of weeks
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: ago in a Notre Dame football game. He did not
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: play last week against Stanford. He is, Pete Thamel is
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: reporting that he will be back and is trending toward
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: playing in the BYU game. So even as BYU gets
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: healthier and guys like Sione Moa and Isaiah Glasker have
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: not been ruled out completely and we'll start getting official
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: injury reports this week. Of course, Leonard Moore for Notre
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: Dame would put them back at, at, closer to full strength.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: And obviously he's one of the best players in all
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: of college football. So the fighting Irish are. hoping that
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: they can have him uh that would be a big
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: thing and and look uh injuries every time i talk
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: about my knock on wood injuries have not been a.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: Huge part of.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: Uh the utah football season so far you've got A
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: trip to Colorado this week where you hope to stay
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: healthy again before you get into the tougher part of
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: your schedule. Isaac Wilson, Jeff just referred to this in
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: our conversation with Jeff Schwartz. Isaac Wilson has been named
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: the starter by Deion Sanders for the Utah game. I
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: know you just got to play whoever you think gives
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: you the best chance to win, but man. Deion Sanders
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: is putting Isaac Wilson in a really, really tough spot.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: It's normal now for guys to have to play in
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: college football against their old teams. But the problem with
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: the Isaac Wilson situation is that Utah is so intimately
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: aware of all of his weaknesses, of all of the
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: things that can get him out of rhythm, of all
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: of the things that can make life hard for Isaac Wilson.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: Utah knows those things so incredibly well. And look, has
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: he developed at Colorado? Doesn't seem like it. Is Deion
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: Sanders and that staff the place you would send a
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: guy hoping that he's going to get developed and get
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: better at the quarterback position in a significant way?
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: Probably not.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: But Isaac Wilson is now going to be going against
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: some of his former teammates. Of course, a bunch of
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: new faces and newcomers on the Utah roster as well.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: But he's also going to be going against the team
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: and a coach that knows exactly how to heat him up.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: and fluster him and make his life miserable. This is
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: a really, really tough game for Isaac Wilson to have
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: to be the starter at Colorado.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: There's not a ton of protection. There's not a ton
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: of talent around him.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: And, uh, I have never taken the stance of, I
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: want bad things for kids who transfer out of the
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: Utah program. I've never taken the stance of, I want things,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: you know, anything bad for Isaac Wilson. Uh, you know, that,
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: that family has ridden, they, they rode the whole roller coaster, uh,
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: in the state of Utah from recruitment and not getting
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: the offer that you wanted and going to the rival
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: school instead.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: And everybody wears blue to now.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: You're the most coveted commit in the state. Then now
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: you're going to Utah and all right, we're red again.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: And oh, it's not working out at Utah. And you
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: got pressed into service before you were ready. And I
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: think in both the case of Zach and Isaac Wilson,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: I think that their guys, like a lot of players are,
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think this is unique. I think that both
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: of those guys are heavily dependent on confidence to be competent.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: I think when they're feeling good, when they're surrounded by talent,
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: when they know that they've got something good happening, I
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: think that they are excellent football players. I think that's
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: why they got the ratings and the rankings that they
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: did in high school, because they were playing with a
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: stacked deck and they were able to play loose and
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: they were able to play free and they didn't have
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: as much you know, they weren't hit nearly as often
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: as other high school quarterbacks were. And when Zach had
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: his breakout season at BYU, 80% of the country wasn't playing.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: A full schedule.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: And it was just like this crazy weird scenario. And
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: he got thrust into a situation where he probably got overdrafted.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: And then the expectations of a New York market and
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: all that stuff is just like insane, right? So now
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: Isaac Wilson gets some of that as well, coming to
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: Utah and, And he's thrown out there onto the field
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: before he's ready. And when that happens to people, I
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: say this because I've watched.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: It happen in football.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: I've watched it happen in the MMA world where I
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: spent so many years where guys who, when they're feeling good,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: when they're in a flow state, when they're confident, they've
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: got the athleticism, they've got the tools, they have that, right?
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: We know that Isaac Wilson has the ability to, throw
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: the ball in the right spot on time with accuracy.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: We know that we've seen it, right? When the confidence
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: starts to break down, some people can survive that and
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: the mental talk or the, whatever they can build themselves
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: back up and they can bust out of the slump.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: Some people just, it's, it's not a natural thing for
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: you to be able to do. Some people don't have
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: a good grasp on even their own self-awareness and knowing
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: what's when it is time, like, all right, I've got
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: to hit a reset button for myself here.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, and.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: There's always circumstances around it. I, when you become, when
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: you go from thinking you're a great high school player
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: to like a highly coveted recruit to then you're, you're
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: on a football team where they're like, all right, yeah, man,
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: you're going to start, you're going to start as a freshman.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: You're going to start as a sophomore. We're going to like,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: we're going to use you. You're like, all right, sweet.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: I know what this is about, and the level of
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: competition is a little bit higher, and things don't go
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: quite as smoothly. Does your ego survive that? Does your
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: confidence survive that? Same thing happens in basketball. Same thing
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: happens in boxing. Same thing happens in every sport. All right,
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: I am not having the success that I thought I
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: was going to have. It's not easy for me now
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: like I thought it was going to be. We see
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: this when people make the transition from high school to college,
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: from college to the NBA to the NFL to Major
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: League Baseball.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: And being able to survive that is more mental than
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: it is physical.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: There are guys who have to put on weight.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: There are other guys who it's just, you can't ever
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: get the yips out of your brain. You can't ever
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: get the self doubt out of your brain. I think that's,
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: that's going to be the number. If you, if I'm
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: Dion Sanders and I've said, Isaac Wilson, you're going to
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: start against Utah. My number one conversation with him has
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: very little to do with the playbook. My number one
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: conversation with him has very little to do with anything schematically.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, look, dude, do everything you possibly can
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: to forget about your experience at the university of Utah,
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: to forget about your, you know, being for lack of
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: a better term, forced to move on and do your
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: best to just Ignore the idea that these guys know
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: exactly what angle to blitz from, what coverage you had
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: a hard time recognizing, what you're going to do when
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: your feet start moving and you get off platform. They're
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: going to know where the ball goes. Just try to
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: get all of that out and just play good, fundamentally
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: sound football. I think that Utah is in a situation
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: right now where they should win this game by four
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: scores and probably create at least three turnovers. Sorry to
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: Isaac Wilson. It's just not a good situation to be
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: put in right now. Look, it's a great situation to
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: be a starting quarterback in major college football. Let's he's
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: not digging ditches out there, but tough sledding ahead for
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: the young man from corner Canyon. Maybe he's like, the opposite.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's coming in with some confidence. So like, okay,
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: this is my, this is my chance at revenge, taking
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: it out on the old team.
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 3: I doubt it, but maybe that's.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: The, if for him, I hope that's the mentality. I honestly,
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: I hope that he's just like, you know what? If
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: chip on the shoulder, I'm better than the guys they
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: have now, even though you're not. They should have given
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: me a better chance or they should have waited until
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: I was a little bit more prepared to put me
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: I need to go and I'm going to show these guys, right?
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: Like, and even if he's faking that mentality, you know,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: you mentioned before earlier in the show about how important
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: it is to fake it till you make it. And
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: you can manifest things as an athlete that it's harder
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: to do, if not impossible to do in other contexts.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: Even if that's all he's doing right now or last
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: week when he knew that this was a possibility he'd
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: start this game, he started to be like, okay, yeah,
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: I'm going to show him.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going to show him.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: Even if he didn't quite believe it, that's the approach
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: that he has to have in order to have any
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: chance of being successful. Unfortunately, even if he's awesome, OC,
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: I think all of us agree, Jeff Schwartz kind of
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: said it too, Colorado's team around him just doesn't probably
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: isn't good enough to not get destroyed by Utah this week,
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: but I mean, that's why you play the game. You know,
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: we need to do, we need to pull the, um,
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: the sound from that movie taken where he says, good luck.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: We just need to have that as a drop for
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: guys like Isaac Wilson when they're starting a game against
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: the university of Utah.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: Good luck.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 5: Good luck.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: Uh, last break of the show. Do we have anything
• 2:26:48
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• 2:26:52
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  Speaker 2: Wrapping up the Sean O'Connell Show, up next is The
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  Speaker 2: Drive with Spence Checketts.
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  Speaker 1: He is right here in the studio with us. Hello, Spence.
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  Speaker 9: Would you like to coordinate matching Halloween costumes for the
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  Speaker 9: Friday before Halloween, you and I?
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  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Any ideas? I thought this was going to be a
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  Speaker 3: hard no.
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  Speaker 1: Tweedledee, Tweedledum, Dumb and Dumber.
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  Speaker 3: Do you watch Ted Lasso?
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  Speaker 1: I did. I haven't watched the new season.
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  Speaker 3: I'm contemplating a Ted Lasso costume. Okay. I think I
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  Speaker 3: could pull it off.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to be Danny Rojas?
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  Speaker 3: Makes sense.
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  Speaker 9: Two talented soccer players that are smiling and happy all
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  Speaker 9: the time?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: See, I've been workshopping the Ted Lasso voice, and I'm
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  Speaker 9: considering doing my show as Ted Lasso on that Friday.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Ding dong, you bing bong. That would be incredible. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm probably not getting four hours of Ted Lasso.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, please do it.
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  Speaker 5: Please.
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  Speaker 9: Because I was thinking you could be Coach Beard.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah. I could be Ted Lasso. You could be
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  Speaker 3: Coach Beard. All right.
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  Speaker 9: We'll come up with other characters for maybe James and
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  Speaker 9: Porter from the show.
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  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 9: But I'm surprised you're open to this because you're not
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  Speaker 9: a big Halloween guy.
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  Speaker 5: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Just trying to be a team player. Look at you.
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 9: I heard you giving away tickets for the haunted house. Well,
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  Speaker 9: you're giving away tickets for the haunted house, actually. I
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  Speaker 9: heard you read a liner about me giving away tickets
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  Speaker 9: for the haunted house.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Are you a haunted house guy? No, I was when
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  Speaker 3: I was a high schooler. It was fun.
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  Speaker 9: Porter assaulted a haunted house employee in his youth. We
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  Speaker 9: uncovered that story earlier.
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  Speaker 1: No surprise.
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  Speaker 3: My issue with it is how to say this. I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to go out on a limb and say.
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  Speaker 9: Maybe not everyone that works at a haunted house should
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  Speaker 9: have access to a chainsaw. Because some of those haunted
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  Speaker 9: houses get pretty intense and very real.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I've just learned about myself. I just don't enjoy
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  Speaker 2: being startled, scared, scintillated, creeped out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like watching scary movies. I don't like flirting
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  Speaker 2: with the occult or the arcane. I'm not, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a fan of any of that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So I just avoid.
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  Speaker 3: So no, like hard pass on any scary movie.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like seasonally we'll watch like some of the classic, like
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  Speaker 2: the old ones, like a couple of years ago, we
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  Speaker 2: had a movie night with another married couple and watched
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  Speaker 2: like the original, uh, Like, Friday the 13th, which is
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  Speaker 2: not scary at all. And so, like, yeah, I'm okay with, like,
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  Speaker 2: the kind of, like, fun stuff. But, no, the ones
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  Speaker 2: that are, like, actually terrifying, I'm just not into it.
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  Speaker 3: See, maybe I haven't seen the ones that are actually terrifying.
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  Speaker 9: Because, and this is an issue with the way I think,
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  Speaker 9: several issues with the way I think, but this among them.
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  Speaker 9: I overanalyze movies too much where I'm like, don't run
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  Speaker 9: out the.
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  Speaker 3: Back door, dude. Like they're, they're right there.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: It's a, you probably do this too. Like every sports
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  Speaker 9: movie I watch, I'm like, that's not a realistic play. I,
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  Speaker 9: that dude's not an athlete.
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  Speaker 2: So I think I'm better at this than most people are.
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  Speaker 2: When I go to a movie or I watch a
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  Speaker 2: television show, I do it to shut off all of that.
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  Speaker 2: analytical stuff okay and i'm just like i'm just going
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  Speaker 2: to be entertained just give me some pretty colors to
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  Speaker 2: look at for a while for the most part right
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  Speaker 2: so like one of the the cool thing now that
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  Speaker 2: social media allows us all to have a voice is
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  Speaker 2: like i'm a big star wars guy the cool thing
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  Speaker 2: is with any star wars thing that comes out people
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  Speaker 2: then immediately pick it apart and say why it sucks
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, well, why are you here then? I'm
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  Speaker 2: just watching to see somebody use a lightsaber. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't care if it's like the first form that actually
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  Speaker 2: was adopted by the Jedi after samurai study from the
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  Speaker 2: original filmmaker.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't care about that. I just want
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  Speaker 1: to be entertained. I shut it all off.
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  Speaker 2: And I do that very successfully with every movie.
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  Speaker 1: Even sports movies.
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  Speaker 3: I love that. Actually, I would like to adopt that.
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  Speaker 9: There are some shows like Seinfeld, the office, like, you know, the,
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  Speaker 9: the old kind of network TV shows that I can,
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  Speaker 9: it's one of the reasons why I still love to
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  Speaker 9: watch them. Even though I've seen every Seinfeld 50 times
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  Speaker 9: in the office a million times, and I know exactly
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  Speaker 9: what's coming. It's just like a comfort. It's like a blanket.
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  Speaker 9: It's like a comforter, right? You just turn it on
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  Speaker 9: and fade in the background. For some reason, I just,
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  Speaker 9: I analyze movies and I also have.
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  Speaker 3: A really weird quirk.
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  Speaker 9: That my friends have always Like, I'm fascinated by horrible movies. Like,
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  Speaker 9: really bad, bad movies.
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  Speaker 3: Uh-huh. There's this movie called Dirty Deeds. Brandon, if you're listening.
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  Speaker 9: I think Lacey Chabet was in it of Mean Girls fame.
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  Speaker 9: Party of Five. Party of Good Call. Her father was
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  Speaker 9: the inventor of Toaster Strudel, if you remember correctly.
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  Speaker 3: Is that true?
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  Speaker 7: Well, in Mean Girls.
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  Speaker 3: That's the character she played. Okay, sorry.
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  Speaker 9: My father, the inventor of Toaster Strudel. It is honestly
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  Speaker 9: the worst piece of film and cinema that has ever existed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. Listen to this star-studded cast. Lacey Chabert.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Zoe Saldana.
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  Speaker 7: Indeed.
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  Speaker 1: Milo Ventimiglia, who was on Heroes back in the day.
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  Speaker 9: And he kills it in the most awkward, horrible acting
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  Speaker 9: way possible. It is a horrible movie.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 9: So my friend used to get a kick out of
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  Speaker 9: like they'd come over to the house or whatever and
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  Speaker 9: be in the middle of some awful movie. They'd sit
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  Speaker 9: down for five minutes like, what are you watching? I'm like,
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  Speaker 9: I'm fascinated that this actually made it. Got the green light,
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  Speaker 9: went through production and is released for all of us
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  Speaker 9: to watch because it's just so bad. So I have
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  Speaker 9: a weird fascination with bad movies. But if I'm watching
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  Speaker 9: a movie that's been recommended, I have a tendency of
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  Speaker 9: overanalyzing it and just like ruining it.
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  Speaker 7: In the moment.
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  Speaker 9: I probably should be better about just shutting my brain off.
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  Speaker 3: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: You want to watch a really awful sports movie?
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  Speaker 3: Which one?
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  Speaker 1: They Call Me Sir.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's the true story of Sir Parker's rise to football
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  Speaker 2: stardom after battling a childhood that seemed destined to keep
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  Speaker 2: a victim of the streets.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds intense.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to Michael Clark Duncan, the Rest in Peace.
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  Speaker 9: I will one-up you. Have you ever seen the sports
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  Speaker 9: movie Gus? where a donkey tries to kick field goals
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  Speaker 9: and makes it to the NFL. And it's like some
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  Speaker 9: Russian immigrant or something. Who's the holder. So it's literally
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  Speaker 9: a donkey. 1976, 1976.
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  Speaker 2: It's like air bud before they decided to use a
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  Speaker 2: golden retriever.
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  Speaker 3: They're like making a donkey.
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  Speaker 9: It's honestly unbelievably bad, but it's like this beautiful story
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  Speaker 9: of an immigrant that comes over and he's got the
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  Speaker 9: donkey and they learn to kick field goals and.
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  Speaker 7: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: I won't spoil the ending for you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, because I'm definitely going.
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  Speaker 3: To go home and watch it tonight. I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: chime in.
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  Speaker 9: I thought you unpacked the Isaac Wilson deal pretty well
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  Speaker 9: on the way in. And it is an interesting thing
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  Speaker 9: to consider because, of course, to your point, Morgan knows
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  Speaker 9: all of his tendencies. Where does he usually go with
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  Speaker 9: the football when he's in trouble? What are the coverages
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  Speaker 9: that give him issues? It is kind of a cool
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  Speaker 9: opportunity for Isaac, right? Now, to your point, like, it's
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  Speaker 9: a tough ask.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Not just because of his individual talent, which we all
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  Speaker 9: know is there. He just doesn't have the horsepower around
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  Speaker 9: him to deal with his Utah defense, who, yes, last
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  Speaker 9: week allowed some yards through the air. But I'm telling you, man,
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  Speaker 9: that young quarterback, Kansas' young quarterback, made some incredible throws.
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  Speaker 3: And we had Sly in the studio yesterday.
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  Speaker 9: He went as far as to say, reviewing the film,
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  Speaker 9: even a little lucky for Kansas to complete some of
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  Speaker 9: those long passes. The picket kid did a really, really
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  Speaker 9: good job. But clearly Utah, to your point yesterday, sold
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  Speaker 9: out to stop the run. And, yeah, I think it's
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  Speaker 9: going to be a tough ask for Isaac. But kind
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  Speaker 9: of a cool opportunity, at least, if you want to
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  Speaker 9: view it through the prism of you guys didn't believe
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  Speaker 9: in me, and I'm going to show you what you lost.
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  Speaker 2: See, that's the positivity we need out of you, Spence.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, again, what was the Danny Rojas or whatever? I
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  Speaker 3: forget his name. Danny Rojas. James could be the accountant
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  Speaker 3: that's always there with the glasses on.
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  Speaker 1: He's got glasses.
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  Speaker 9: I don't remember any other characters from... We could do
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  Speaker 9: the Ted Lasso cast Halloween costume.
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  Speaker 3: I think you could do Coach Beard. You could nail that.
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  Speaker 7: He's a reader.
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  Speaker 3: He's a deep thinker. We got James. Are you down
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  Speaker 3: to be the accountant?
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  Speaker 9: I think I'll think of someone else. I gotta look
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  Speaker 9: at the cast. Because this recent Ted Lasso... I think
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  Speaker 9: it's the fourth season. He's coaching the women's team. Spoiler alert. Well,
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  Speaker 9: I mean, it kind of was in the preview. It's
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  Speaker 9: not really a spoiler.
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  Speaker 1: Could I be Roy Kent?
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  Speaker 7: Ooh.
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  Speaker 3: James can be Beard. You could be Roy Kent. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: What was the name of the prima donna, like, really
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  Speaker 3: good player?
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  Speaker 7: Jamie Tartt.
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  Speaker 3: Jamie Tartt.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. We'll figure this out. We've got to find someone
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  Speaker 3: to be Keeley. Very charming character.
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  Speaker 9: Very charming character. Continues in a very featured role this season.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 3: There's your spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 5: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Can Porter pull off Jamie Tartt?
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  Speaker 1: Porter could pull off, or he could be Nick Muhammad,
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  Speaker 1: the traitor.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 9: You know, Porter has Nick Muhammad energy. He's going to, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Who's going to be our Rebecca Welton?
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  Speaker 3: Jackie? Nah. Well, who's the other option? We'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for The Drive with Spence Jenkins. Thanks for
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  Speaker 2: listening to The Sean O'Connell Show. We'll do it again
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.