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AI is an egregore?? We wish we were kidding… · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  you guys know what inbreeding is yeah i don't
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  know what to think anymore no one hates hat man
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  i mean people who are seeing him in their sleep
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  paralysis probably hate coming up everyone's
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  will differ because your algorithms and your
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  personal experience and what you put into hat
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  man reflects back to you like an ai it makes
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  sense and i hate it all right so um we're gonna
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  start this one off i don't want to say with a
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  rap but like a rhyme so give me a beat We're
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  your hosts, and Bree and Ben, here we go discussing
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  egregores again. So if you hate thought forms,
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  all those egregores, you don't want to listen
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  to us anymore. Well, what can we do? We can't
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  talk about anything new. One day, we'll make
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  it up to you. But here we go, let's get to the
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  intro! Welcome to our podcast, where we take
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  deep dives looking at various topics through
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  a paranormal lens. Good job, Ben. That was beautiful.
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  Do any of you have a rap of your own? Or should
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  we get into it? Because this is a very serious
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  topic. I can't sing. Or do poem poetry. You can't
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  do slam poetry, Angela. Well, that was not good.
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  I feel like that could have been considered slam
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  poetry because he had some rhyming in there.
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  Yeah, exactly. I mean, slam as in everyone listening
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  slammed their phone down. What is this? I wouldn't
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  have considered it rapping, but it also was not
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  singing. So it was slam poetry. What? That was
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  a rapping? If that was a rap, I don't know what
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  rapping is. I'm joking. I'm joking. Well, it's
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  that thing where you take a gift and you fold
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  it in decorative paper. Oh. Rapping. Ben. So,
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  um, yeah, so we're talking about Egregores, but
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  since we've covered our favorite topic of Egregores
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  a million times, because it's our favorite topic,
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  I decided we must do something new at the top,
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  which is, of course, whatever the hell that was,
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  which we haven't done in 50 episodes. Yeah, I'm
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  surprised it took this long for you to break
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  out slam poetry. I thought you could say for
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  this long for me to break down. Crash out. Yeah,
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  that too. So let's start with what is an egregore?
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  So egregores, we love talking about egregores.
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  They are essentially the idea that we as humans
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  can create these thought forms that if we put
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  our intent. our collective belief into something
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  that we can essentially feed this spirit into
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  being its own thing. A spirit that wasn't anything
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  before us humans fed it this info, what we want
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  it to be, a thought form. Does that make sense?
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  Did I explain that? Kinda, kinda. Like, yeah.
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  How would you explain an egregore? I... Very
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  similarly, because it's like, it is not something
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  that is naturally occurring. Like you said, it
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  is an idea that so many people believe in it,
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  it becomes real. And that's essentially all it
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  is. I feel like you complicated it more than
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  it needed to be. I complicated it a little bit,
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  because I wanted to use some ways to describe
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  it. That would kind of click in the heads when
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  I drop this of like, am I talking about egregores
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  or AI? Because here's the thing. There's a lot
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  of discussion in like the paranormal woo woo
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  occult -y type of circles about AI. And this
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  is a quote I saw. AI is the first technology
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  that can act egregorically. Egregorically. Is
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  that a word? Egregorically. It was. It was. I
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  didn't invent it, but someone's using it as a
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  word, so we're going to go with it. But AI has,
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  in case you guys weren't aware, there is some
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  controversy. Some. Somewhere. There's some controversy
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  about this AI stuff. No, really? No, really?
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  I have no idea. No clue. Never heard any controversy
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  about AI. Ever. I thought everyone loved it.
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  My God. This is going to be an episode for you
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  then, Brie. Because guess what? There's even
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  controversy in the Woo, in the Woo circles about
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  AI. If we look at AI the way we look at spirits
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  and egregores, there's a lot of similarities.
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  This isn't just reaching and trying to hop on
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  a trend type of thing. If you think of AI as
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  something that is human -made, didn't exist before
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  humans, and we are feeding it, it is essentially
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  a product of what we put into it. And people
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  talk to it. It is not only responsive, it's communicating
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  back to us. We are putting into it what we want
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  to put into it. Our own thoughts. We are treating
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  it like it is a real thing. Oh, I'm going to
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  ask ChatGPT. I'm going to talk to ChatGPT. It
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  knows us. We know it. It forms a personality.
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  And it is learning from us. And it's like this
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  weird feedback loop, which we'll get into in
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  a bit. But it's kind of strange when you consider
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  that it is kind of acting in a way. I don't necessarily
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  know if I agree, and I guess we can just ask
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  from the get -go, do we think that AI has the
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  capabilities to be its own egregore? Because
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  I know the big thorn in this is that it doesn't
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  have consciousness, but I don't know if I necessarily
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  think that AI personally is a good example of
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  an egregore, but I think it can act as a metaphor.
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  if that makes any sense for you it can be an
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  egregore though no i don't think it is but i
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  think it's a good metaphor what do you guys think
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  because i know do you believe in egregores though
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  i do yeah okay that's a difficult question ai
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  isn't just one thing like there's so there's
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  so many variations of it because like each individual
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  like conversation someone has with an ai generator
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  it's it's totally something new you're talking
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  to a completely different um like i don't know
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  how it works like okay you have a good point
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  i know what you mean like there isn't one ai
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  like there's many but there isn't one egregore
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  in the universe too but but for for an egregore
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  like say um if we're if we're talking about something
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  that we might consider an egregore like the hat
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  man like that is potentially one thing like it's
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  one thing that people see maybe not maybe maybe
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  wait did you just tap into something like i never
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  thought of before is this a good example of how
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  So we've discussed it before. Is there like a
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  hundred hat mans or is there one hat man? And
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  we discussed that like, there's all these variations.
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  Think of it like chat GPT. When we talk about
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  chat GPT, maybe being an egregore, we're not
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  talking about the algorithm that like the system,
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  like the technology we're talking about, like
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  it as a thing. And even if you Brie add to your
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  chat GPT, if Angela adds to hers, it's going
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  to be individual, but it's still going to. it's
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  alert the system is learning from both of you
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  so is this a good example of like there is one
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  chat gpt that's everyone's chat gpt that's learning
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  from everyone but there's also your individual
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  one that might vary from angela's and that's
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  also how we should think about hat man that there's
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  one collective you know collective hat in the
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  cloud in the cloud in the cloud there's a hat
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  man engine And then, but everyone's will differ
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  because your algorithms and your personal experience
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  and what you put into hat man reflects back to
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  you like an AI. I don't like that. That makes
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  sense. You, you, you don't like it, but you just
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  said that you put that thought out there and
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  it made sense to me. I understood what you were
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  saying. Your rebuttal to my question actually
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  made it make more sense. In real time. I hate
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  that it makes so much sense, honestly. All right,
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  I think we're done with this episode. Okay, bye.
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  I'm over it. No, no, hold on, hold on. Because
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  another point I was going to make, too, on this
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  is, like, with Egregores, something we don't
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  touch on as often because we have our own turn
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  for it, and that's, like, the Dweller. Like,
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  a lot of Dweller stuff and Egregores really do
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  go hand in hand because a big element of Egregores
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  is that if you're putting your intent into it,
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  you're also putting your own fears and, you know.
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  all that into the egregore and it does reflect
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  back like a mirror so the shadow self all that
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  stuff there's a lot of talk about ai essentially
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  being one big like shadow experiment type of
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  thing of like we're putting all our fears and
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  all of our stuff into it and you know it's algorithms
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  and it knows you and it caters what it says ai
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  you guys know this it when you start talking
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  it learns how you talk and it wants to appease
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  you and everything learns through it learns you
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  so it talks back to you and reflects space like
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  an echo chamber a really concentrated echo chamber
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  like all algorithms are but it's more fine -tuned
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  so when we put our fears into it it projects
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  it back to us like a mirror and it's this weird
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  thing um i don't know it gets weird uh i guess
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  really weird do you think too that like because
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  we think that We were talking about this with
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  Annabelle, that all the fear around Annabelle
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  when she was burning down buildings and stuff,
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  that that made her stronger. Do you think the
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  collective fear and resistance to AI, because
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  we don't need those data centers or shit in Michigan
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  and all that stuff, which is true, but we don't.
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  But all the fear and all the resistance to it,
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  do you think that's making it, if it is an egregore,
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  stronger? I hate to say it, but probably yes.
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  If you believe in that theory, that fear can
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  make it stronger. But I think the thing is, is
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  like, people at the moment aren't fearing it.
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  Like, yeah, some people have the fear of like,
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  oh, AI can take over, but no one's like, you
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  know, actively afraid of like, oh, I'm gonna...
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  turn on my computer and it's gonna attack me
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  or it's like with with angela with with annabelle
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  people are like seeing the raggedy ann dolls
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  and like oh my god i'm gonna be possessed or
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  haunted like yeah um right now i don't think
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  that's the issue with ai right now i think it's
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  more of the hatred of it um taking away natural
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  resources like yeah i think that's the biggest
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  thing at the moment so it's more hate than fear
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  is hate stronger than fear i would be inclined
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  to say no but i guess i'm not sure what do you
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  think that's actually a good question is hate
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  stronger than fear um i don't know like i feel
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  like so When we're talking about the paranormal,
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  fear, hatred, anger, sorrow, happiness, they
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  all really do have a energy. Every emotion. All
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  of the emotions have an energy, but I wouldn't
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  say one is necessarily stronger than the other.
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  Like, you have negative energy and you have positive
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  energy. So when it comes to AI, like, I would
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  not say that. hatred is stronger than fear like
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  they're they're both kind of there and but also
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  in the ai type of sense aren't don't people hate
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  it ai because they're also afraid of ai though
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  because they don't know what it can do maybe
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  there's there's hatred that stems from fear there's
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  hatred that stems from all sorts of valid real
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  reasons are happening right now as well There's
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  a lot of factors, yeah. I don't think that fear
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  necessarily will stem from hatred, but hatred
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  stems from fear in some cases. It's interesting.
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  I think it all can feed an egregore, though.
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  Yeah, absolutely. That's kind of the point I
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  was getting at. It all does the same trick. All
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  emotions can feed into an egregore. it's just
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  interesting so like it's if what are the implications
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  if like this is a i i let's go back to hat man
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  if this is creating like an entity an egregore
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  that's kind of the cloud that everyone will have
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  their own individual versions of but it's still
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  the cloud what are the implications if like because
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  no one hates hat man well I mean, people who
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  are seeing him in their sleep paralysis probably
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  hate Hatman. Well, that's hate born out of fear,
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  not widespread. I don't know. It's like, there's
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  all these strong emotes, and that Hatman is a
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  strong, persistent, palpable force. You can't
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  just get rid of Hatman. Like, listen, if I just
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  ask you guys, are we able to get rid of Hatman?
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  Like, every Hatman? No. Probably not. So I think
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  that's the same fate as AI. Do you think we can
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  get rid of it all AI? I mean, theoretically,
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  yes, because AI is based from data centers and
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  algorithms. And like, if you remove those data
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  centers, there's not really going to be an AI.
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  There may be things similar to it. but not quite
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  to the level as what it is now. Well, if you
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  shut down ChatGPT, Gemini, Cloud, like all the
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  Grok, if you shut down all of them, I don't think
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  it goes away. I don't think it's as easy as flipping
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  a switch. No, I don't think it is. No, it's definitely
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  not as easy as flipping a switch, but I think
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  if the world lost power, Tomorrow. Systems shut
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  down. Yeah. Like, they cease to exist. Like,
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  say, a data center, like, blew up or caught fire
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  or whatever. Are we talking about a center blowing
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  up or the nationwide electricity? Yes, both.
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  Because we wouldn't have a podcast, so this wouldn't
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  even matter, but... Yeah, I don't know. Like,
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  if the... If the code no longer exists, then
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  the AI no longer exists. Even if it's an egregore?
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  But we already said, well, you don't know that
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  AI could become an egregore. Well, here's the
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  thing. So we're going to run into this question
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  if we keep going on this route. The idea of consciousness.
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  Does AI need to have consciousness to be an egregore?
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  Because I was thinking about this, and I don't
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  believe in intelligent haunting, so I don't believe
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  any... hauntings have a consciousness which means
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  i believe in egregores but i don't believe the
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  egregores have a consciousness so how does that
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  make sense i i would be inclined to say that
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  no egregores do not have a consciousness but
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  i do feel like just like you don't believe that
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  there are intelligent hauntings i feel like there
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  are some egregores that do have more of an intelligence
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  or some sort of conscience like take my um music
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  box as an example so the music box that i found
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  in an antique store when we found it it kept
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  saying hey don't open me don't do it stop like
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  because it was broken and when i fixed it like
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  it didn't do that anymore but the sense that
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  it had some sort of recognition that it was broken
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  and it was telling us to not open it. That's
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  interesting. Does that prove some sort of consciousness?
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  Huh. Yeah. And if that is the case, then AI probably
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  could have a conscious. But does AI have it now?
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  Probably not. No. No. But maybe could it? Possibly.
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  Because our whole... You know, Brie, you're to
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  blame for all this. obsession with egregores
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  you you started you're the first one ever brought
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  it up it was yeah two years ago we did that interview
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  about the haunted music box uh which i recorded
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  still haven't put out yet one day soon um but
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  uh we do believe that more often than not haunted
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  objects are because they something in them is
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  crying out to be repaired like something's broken
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  like there's some sort of egregore egregorical
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  I love that word now. Or egregorical haunting
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  around it. And that's not the only case of something
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  being broken, having a lot of activity until
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  we repair it, and then we repair it and the activity
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  stops. Here's the thing. What happens if that
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  energy of it crying out to be repaired is the
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  emotions from the past owners of it being disappointed
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  it broke? Like a residual. Yeah. A residual.
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  residual type of thing. I don't think it's a
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  leap, honestly, to go from believing in residual
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  hauntings to egregores, because, like, egregores
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  are, like, residual hauntings of the mind, as
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  opposed to, like, emotions. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. That's...
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  Hmm. This is a lot to think about. This is a
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  lot. And you know what sucks about it? Is that
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  we will never have the answers to it. No. To
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  your point, like, we did 50 episodes of nonsense.
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  We can have one where we think for a few minutes.
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  Okay, we've had a couple where we're serious
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  and think about things. It just... Tell it to
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  everyone that tuned out after the first minute
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  of this podcast. This is serious. I don't know
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  what to think anymore. My brain kind of hurts.
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  Well, I'm here to save the day. Or maybe make
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  it worse for you. I don't know. But... This topic
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  idea stemmed from our 50th episode. During the
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  recording of our 50th episode, we had the variety
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  of doing 50 quote -unquote fast questions, just
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  plowing through 50 questions, but that took way
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  longer than we thought it would. It was a three
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  -hour recording session that we edited down to
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  a little over an hour. That was fun. But anyways,
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  Angela brought this up, that AI and egregores,
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  that we should talk about it. We are talking
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  about it. In between the recording of episode
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  50 and now, there's been a week, in the past
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  week, coincidentally, an article was just written
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  from The Guardian about AI inbreeding. Have you
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  guys heard of this? No. Other than when you sent
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  me the article. Yeah. It just sounds crazy. You
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  hear AI inbreeding and it's just like, huh? And
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  how in... Why? Yeah, and why? Okay, so... You
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  guys know what inbreeding is. Yeah. I hope our
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  listeners know, too. It's just in unison. Yeah!
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  That was an excited yeah. That was an unfortunate
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  yeah. Unfortunately, yeah. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
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  So there is a, according to this article from
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  The Guardian that was literally just posted.
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  We just had the idea for this topic. A week later,
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  we go to record it. And I saw this on Facebook
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  this morning. Algorithms, they know what's up.
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  They're listening. Yes. There are two Cornell
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  University researchers that did a study. Okay.
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  All right. And they found that if you asked.
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  Any AI generator, ChatGPT, Gemini, any of them,
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  okay? No matter what engine you used, if you
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  said, without any other context, tell me a story,
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  the name Elias Thorn was the name that over a
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  quarter of all prompts generated. And that person
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  doesn't exist. Okay. So, if you just went on
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  any... If you made a new account, no algorithms
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  feeding this or anything. If you just said, tell
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  me a story, all of the platforms, all the different
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  platforms, they invented the same name, Elias
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  Thorne, for over a quarter of all stories. And
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  there are over 20 ,000. And then, not only that,
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  over 88 % of the stories shared the same 11 locations.
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  and professions for elias referring to him as
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  a lighthouse keeper or a clock maker so it essentially
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  went on to say this because of like ai inbreeding
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  that once ai makes a story it goes on internet
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  then the other you know when they go to scour
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  the internet to come up with a story they see
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  that story that ai made and then they kind of
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  Because they're pulled from online, so they're
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  essentially pulling from AI -generated content,
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  so it just makes this feedback loop of having
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  the same name appear and same details of the
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  story, even though it was made up the first time.
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  That's where the inbreeding comes in. It's just
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  cycling through the same AI -generated content.
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  But still, this concept... What was the story
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  name called again? Elias Thorne. Elias Thorne.
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  isn't that wild ai and who who's actually like
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  if you think of all the people that use ai and
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  they have all this detailed information about
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  this elias thorn the lighthouse keeper and they
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  have this intricate story then they go on a different
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  ai program and they see the same story due entirely
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  to ai inbreeding which is where they cycle through
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  like i said the same yeah ai outputs goes in
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  the algorithms on the internet and the other
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  platforms pick up the same thing um but isn't
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  that essentially creating an egregore like is
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  elias thorne now a real person like if it's creating
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  this entire backstory and all this stuff someone
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  out there's believing this like could we could
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  we tomorrow talk to elias thorne's ghost if we
• 24:54
  wanted to oh so the thing is with that is people
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  say or ask, tell me a story. No one believes
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  that the story that, at least I'm assuming, I
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  mean, I may be totally wrong about this. No one
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  who's asking that is believing the story that
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  this AI generator is telling them is real. So
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  no one's believing that Elias Thorne is real.
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  And yes, even though it's a character that now
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  has a backstory or some sort of life that AI
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  has given it, it's still just a story. People
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  don't believe it. It's just like you or I reading
• 25:41
  a book. Just because we read that book like Harry
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  Potter doesn't mean that Harry Potter's real.
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  So it comes down to belief. It's a matter of
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  how... It is. It didn't say in the article how
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  it was framed. My head just went to, like, if
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  all these things are saying, Elias Thorne, blah,
• 25:58
  blah, and it's the same story. Me, knowing how
• 26:02
  easy people are duped with AI, someone's got
• 26:05
  to believe. But it would come down to collective
• 26:08
  belief. I feel like the biggest thing with Egregores
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  is a collective belief. On that note, do you
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  think there are any egregores or, like, fictional
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  characters? Fictional characters? I don't know.
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  Santa? Don't tell Angela. What? I don't know.
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  No, I saw something a while ago. This was, like,
• 26:44
  so long ago, so I can't even... Think about like
• 26:47
  where I saw it or who wrote it. So apologies
• 26:50
  for not having a source here. But a long time
• 26:54
  ago, I saw something about how like authors,
• 26:55
  when they write their books, like some authors
• 26:58
  get so into their head about it. Like they actually
• 27:02
  have to like create the characters. Like they
• 27:05
  will hallucinate the characters, have conversations
• 27:08
  in real life with the characters they're writing.
• 27:10
  And the characters will become real to the authors.
• 27:15
  Like, actually real. Like, they actually believe
• 27:17
  they are communicating with the characters. They
• 27:20
  will hear the characters talking to them in their
• 27:22
  head. Because they get so into the story that
• 27:26
  they're writing. If I ever start doing that,
• 27:30
  please shoot me. Well, there's also the whole
• 27:34
  thing about, like, I mean, I kind of believe
• 27:37
  this too, but, like, the whole thing about, like,
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  stories. come from something except the case
• 27:46
  of elias thorne that was created out of nothing
• 27:48
  complete oh you know what that reminds me of
• 27:51
  you guys remember that like meme that like people
• 27:53
  are seeing this man in their sleep but he doesn't
• 27:55
  exist thing no what is this no you never heard
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  like there's i'll have to find it it was like
• 28:02
  a meme when we were in middle school maybe i
• 28:06
  was not online in middle school also like I noticed
• 28:11
  that your memes and things that were trendy when
• 28:15
  you were in middle school, Ben, was not trendy
• 28:17
  from when I was in school and in middle school.
• 28:20
  A few years made a big difference. And things
• 28:22
  that were trending in middle school for you,
• 28:25
  I was not online. I mean, I also wasn't online,
• 28:31
  too. I was slightly sheltered. I'm trying to
• 28:34
  think. What was trendy when I was in middle school?
• 28:37
  Frozen. Frozen? Yes. What was trendy for you
• 28:42
  guys in like elementary school? Were there trends
• 28:46
  when you're five years old? You're just like
• 28:49
  boogers and stuff. Cooties. I know in my first
• 28:54
  and second grade, the big thing was high school
• 28:57
  musical. Oh. I'm thinking of like, you know,
• 29:02
  the silly bands. And those glitter balls. Glitter
• 29:08
  balls. Yeah, they were, like, literally bouncy
• 29:10
  balls. That was really trendy in my school. Are
• 29:15
  you sure you're not talking about cat balls?
• 29:17
  Wait, so why are we talking about middle school
• 29:20
  trends? I don't know. There was a trend when
• 29:26
  we were back in middle school that you guys obviously
• 29:29
  didn't know about, but it was like, and I'll
• 29:32
  have to go back and find it, but I swear it was
• 29:34
  a real thing. there was, like, a picture of a
• 29:36
  guy's face saying, like, have you seen this man?
• 29:39
  People are dreaming of him, but he doesn't exist.
• 29:42
  And it was, like, the whole thing about, like,
• 29:43
  you can't, your mind can't create, like, memories
• 29:46
  or whatever, or faces in your dreams, but people
• 29:49
  are seeing the same person. It was, like, a creepypasta
• 29:52
  type of thing. So, going back to AI, it's quite
• 29:56
  fascinating what we stumbled on about, like,
• 29:59
  does it make sense to you guys, that whole analogy
• 30:02
  of, like, AI and then, um... like ChatGPT specifically,
• 30:06
  and then Hatman, like how there can be... It
• 30:09
  makes too much sense, and I don't like it. Unfortunately,
• 30:11
  it makes too much sense, yeah. I don't like it.
• 30:15
  And how that taps it, that would prove too, because
• 30:19
  we were talking about on the Hatman episode how
• 30:21
  Hatman is like a dweller type of entity, that
• 30:23
  would make total sense of AI, and that analogy
• 30:26
  is like the fear you put in reflects back, and
• 30:28
  the shadow, and all that stuff, and all the fears.
• 30:32
  The shadow self. It makes a lot of sense. If
• 30:35
  you think. Maybe all shadow beings are. Algorithms
• 30:41
  in the cloud. Sure. Why not. At this point. Pop
• 30:49
  off I guess. Pop off. Okay. It's just unfortunate.
• 30:55
  Because I don't have like a. Rhyme to end the
• 30:59
  episode on. I believe you. Brianna, give another
• 31:03
  beat. Uh, no. Dang it. You give a beat, Angela.
• 31:08
  No, I can't do that type of stuff. Thanks for
• 31:14
  listening to this week's episode of Paranormal
• 31:15
  Lens. If you liked what you heard, every five
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  -star rating and positive review tells the algorithms
• 31:21
  we're a worthy podcast and pushes us out to more
• 31:24
  listeners. We appreciate each and every one of
• 31:27
  you, and we'll see you next Thursday for another
• 31:29
  paranormal deep dive.