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Joe Rogan, Justin Bieber, Sydney Sweeney with Shallon Lester · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 3: She talks Hollywood tales for real life.
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  Speaker 2: Listen in, listen up.
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  Speaker 3: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. So much Juicy Scoop
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  Speaker 2: to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: I have a new guest. You might be familiar with her.
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  Speaker 4: She has a huge YouTube channel. You are a former
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  Speaker 4: editor-in-chief of Star Magazine, so you're always up with the
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  Speaker 4: hot gossip.
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  Speaker 2: Shallon Lester, welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: I've been following you for a while, so when Jacques
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  Speaker 4: recommended you, I was like, oh, I know who she is.
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  Speaker 4: And then we had a fun conversation on the phone
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  Speaker 4: over the weekend, kind of talking about what we talked about,
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  Speaker 4: but then I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, Wait, save it for the show. Save it for
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  Speaker 2: the pod. Save it. So welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, we were
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  Speaker 3: on a good Yap Fest this weekend. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: we got to save the magic for the show.
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  Speaker 4: And then when you're like, we could be friends because
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  Speaker 4: we both, so you have, you favor a side of
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  Speaker 4: your face.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, my left side is my good side. Yours is
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  Speaker 3: your right. This means we can be friends.
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  Speaker 4: So this studio that we have that we're using right
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  Speaker 4: now with the couches is favoring my good side. Have
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  Speaker 4: you ever had the kind of horror that I've had
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  Speaker 4: when you've walked in to do someone else's show, whether
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  Speaker 4: it's TV or YouTube or whatever, and you are not
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  Speaker 4: on the good side because that's the side of the
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  Speaker 4: host and you just know you're going to hate it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I look like a shoe from the
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  Speaker 3: other side. Like there are no photos of the side
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  Speaker 3: of my face. I'm like the Phantom of the Opera.
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  Speaker 3: And I have walked in. I've been like, why are
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  Speaker 3: you doing this to me? Like my agent should have
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  Speaker 3: told me. Somebody should have warned me. And then I
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  Speaker 3: just want to like sit completely the opposite way and
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  Speaker 3: just like face the wall.
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  Speaker 4: And what is weird is that to someone that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: live in your face, they don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: Why you favor one side so much. But in my
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  Speaker 4: particular case, when I have been shot from the other side,
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  Speaker 4: people are like, she looks like shit.
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  Speaker 2: They do say it. They say it in the comments.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, what the fuck happened to her? And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I've been controlling the camera for years. That's how it's been.
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  Speaker 2: I've been controlling the camera.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I know. I agree. I think that people act
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  Speaker 3: like they don't see the shoe on the other side.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I know that you do. I know that
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  Speaker 3: you do. Don't gaslight me.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, we have so much to discuss, but an exciting
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  Speaker 4: thing happened over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I feel it's exciting. Because Joe Rogan, who is.
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  Speaker 4: The king of podcasting, who I have often said, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Joe Rogan has made it possible for all of us.
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  Speaker 4: And by really putting podcasting on the map, of course,
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  Speaker 4: some people don't like a.
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  Speaker 2: Show, don't like him, whatever. He's the biggest one that
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  Speaker 2: has it.
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  Speaker 4: I knew him from back in the day of doing
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  Speaker 4: stand up at the comedy store. But it's not like
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  Speaker 4: we run in circles, been friends. I've never been on
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  Speaker 4: a show. But he has talked about this incident that
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  Speaker 4: happened to me a couple of years ago when I
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  Speaker 4: fainted at the Tempe Improv right at the beginning of
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  Speaker 4: my set on the Saturday night of a two night show.
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  Speaker 4: So I'd already done two shows on Friday. Saturday came
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  Speaker 4: out and and did it.
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  Speaker 2: And so. And so I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Going to play what he said so you can hear it.
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  Speaker 4: And it was the top of his, like, three-hour podcast
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  Speaker 4: that he dropped on Saturday. So a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: let me know about it. And it is interesting, and
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  Speaker 4: I have actual new thoughts. Even though I've talked about
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  Speaker 4: this a few times, I've shared my thoughts on stage.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to let you hear what he says.
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  Speaker 5: When this girl, Heather MacDonald, blacked out on stage while
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  Speaker 5: she was making jokes about being vaccinated... And then she
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  Speaker 5: blacks out and cracks her skull. Have you seen that?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Legitimately.
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  Speaker 5: It was the first time in my life where I
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  Speaker 5: was like, there's no way. I was like, they're fucking
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  Speaker 5: with us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: They're just fucking with us. That can't be so dead on.
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  Speaker 5: This is like God is a script writer. Like, how
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  Speaker 5: is that a real thing? That that's a video where
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  Speaker 5: someone is, she didn't do it when she was making
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  Speaker 5: fun of her boyfriend. She didn't do it when she
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  Speaker 5: was talking about idiots in traffic. It was when she
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  Speaker 5: was talking about the vaccine. and how, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: even still got my period, so Jesus loves me more,
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  Speaker 5: and then boom. Like, there's no way, it's too good.
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  Speaker 5: The timing was exquisite. You couldn't have, if you had
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  Speaker 5: a movie where that was a scene, you could not
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  Speaker 5: have scripted or timed it any better, where you would
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  Speaker 5: tell her, and drop.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way.
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  Speaker 5: I started legitimately wondering then. And I know that's a
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  Speaker 5: stupid example. I'm very aware of it. You're like, you
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  Speaker 5: fucking moron. All the things in the world, there's plenty
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  Speaker 5: of examples. Jesus loves me the most.
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  Speaker 2: Look at this.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God, you went down.
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  Speaker 5: And the audience is laughing. Probably the best laugh she.
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  Speaker 2: Got all night. It's a big move.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big move.
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  Speaker 5: If you're a pratfall person, no one expects it.
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  Speaker 2: Like, ah, that's hilarious.
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  Speaker 5: If it goes with the bit, You know?
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  Speaker 2: And it's timed perfectly.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: What's that quote?
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  Speaker 1: God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid
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  Speaker 1: to laugh.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, wow, I've never heard that. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, God, I mean, listen, for the
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  Speaker 4: people that have been following you forever and, you know,
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  Speaker 4: but the way this business is, you can be quite
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  Speaker 4: successful as a podcaster, as a YouTuber forever. And the
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  Speaker 4: average Joe walking down the street doesn't know who you
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  Speaker 4: are and doesn't follow you.
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  Speaker 2: And especially when.
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  Speaker 4: Comedy is, you know, you like who you like because
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  Speaker 4: you watch a person and you're like, they're relatable to me.
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  Speaker 4: So is the majority of my audience women?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Probably Joe Rogan's audience does not go, I got to
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  Speaker 4: listen to Juicy Scoop, I love Heather McDonald, whatever. There's some,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure, that have a wife that, yes, I'm getting
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  Speaker 4: more like husbands and stuff coming because they.
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  Speaker 2: They're wise listening.
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  Speaker 4: They're like, oh, I like what you say, which is
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  Speaker 4: always like bugs me because that means more to me
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  Speaker 4: that like a straight man thinks I'm funny.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, really?
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  Speaker 3: No, we're all just pick me's at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day. You know, we have our little pick me areas.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, I appreciate that he, you know, but I
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  Speaker 4: feel like he doesn't really know where I am in
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  Speaker 4: life because he's like, she.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about her boyfriend. But I also like.
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  Speaker 4: To think that you think I'm so young to have
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  Speaker 4: a boyfriend when I've been married 25 years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, first thing he said is this girl. I was like, what?
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  Speaker 2: I know, this girl and not about her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, maybe he doesn't remember that we talked a
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  Speaker 4: few times a million years ago at the comedy store.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But, you know, he's talked about this
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  Speaker 2: a lot because.
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  Speaker 4: It really did make an impression on him of like,
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  Speaker 4: what the fuck is going on with the matrix with simulate,
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  Speaker 4: whatever is God.
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  Speaker 2: And when I did.
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  Speaker 4: Fade, which I'll just say quickly again, um, I had
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  Speaker 4: lunch with my son who was at ASU at the time.
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  Speaker 4: He's still there, but he was a freshman or sophomore
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  Speaker 4: at the time. And we went shopping at Nordstrom's and
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  Speaker 4: we had lunch at like 2.30. And so I just
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  Speaker 4: want to say it wasn't because I didn't eat. It
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  Speaker 4: was February, so it wasn't like it was so hot
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  Speaker 4: that I passed out because I was hiking in the
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  Speaker 4: Phoenix mountains.
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  Speaker 2: And it was, so that was all really weird. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I had never fainted before. What were you going to say?
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  Speaker 3: People who might not know comedy and like what it
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  Speaker 3: takes because it's like the most terrifying thing people can imagine.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the number one fear of Americans. It is
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  Speaker 3: not so strenuous that if you do it three days
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  Speaker 3: in a row, you will faint.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's not like she ran three marathons in
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  Speaker 3: a row and this is just what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Like you don't need to faint. You were at Nordstrom's
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  Speaker 3: before that.
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  Speaker 4: And I wasn't, you know, this is my crowd that
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  Speaker 4: paid attention. It's not like it was my audition to
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  Speaker 4: be the star of the Montreal Comedy Festival. And this
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  Speaker 4: was 20 years ago, which I would get my nerves
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  Speaker 4: more up about. So I was really excited, you know,
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  Speaker 4: happy to do the show.
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  Speaker 2: It was right at the.
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  Speaker 4: Beginning of my act because it was second year of
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  Speaker 4: COVID or I don't even know what season of COVID
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  Speaker 4: we were in. And I had gotten all the vaccines
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  Speaker 4: and I was just coming out, grabbing some low hanging fruit.
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  Speaker 2: Jokes about COVID.
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  Speaker 4: COVID jokes killed because everybody on the earth could relate
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  Speaker 4: to a COVID joke.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 4: And I also want to say, yes, I got vaccinated,
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  Speaker 4: but I never judged anybody who didn't. I had friends
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  Speaker 4: who got the fake cards. I didn't get vaccinated. And
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  Speaker 4: we can coexist and who cares? If you were honest
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  Speaker 4: with me, which I had friends who were, I was like, cool.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, I did because for me, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I'd wake up after going out at night before the
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  Speaker 4: vaccine and I'd be like, Can I still smell?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I have to this day never gotten COVID. So when
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  Speaker 4: it happened, I woke up, I was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 4: what happened? I was, you know, in shock, whatever. And
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  Speaker 4: I talk about it on stage. It's kind of like
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  Speaker 4: a longer, funny story. But I did not think until later, like, wow,
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  Speaker 4: it came after this joke that I said about that.
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  Speaker 4: I was just more like, what is this? And right
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  Speaker 4: off the bat, Dr. Drew, who we've been friends with
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  Speaker 4: for a while, saw it online because we all follow
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  Speaker 4: each other.
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  Speaker 2: He reached out to me.
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  Speaker 4: Husband who was in LA and he's like when did
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  Speaker 4: she get her booster because I say in the longer
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  Speaker 4: video I've been double vax boosted flu shot and I
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  Speaker 4: got the first shingle shot because I'm kind of old
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  Speaker 4: And I go, but I still got my periods. And
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  Speaker 4: I go, and I've never had COVID, so clearly Jesus
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  Speaker 4: loves me the most.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Not a hilarious joke. Nothing. Just getting the crowd
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  Speaker 2: knowing that if they come up to me after. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I've gotten vaccinated.
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  Speaker 4: You won't get it from me. You can't blame it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not patient zero.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever. And so, and then I was going to get
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  Speaker 2: to the juice. You don't usually start out with the
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  Speaker 2: strongest joke.
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  Speaker 4: So that also bothered me that people would watch the
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  Speaker 4: clip and think I'm not that funny, but whatever.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: So then.
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  Speaker 2: So then when that happened, then it was still really weird.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody really wanted to talk to me about it. Or
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  Speaker 4: if I was asked about it on the red carpet,
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  Speaker 4: that never made the thing because it was like you
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  Speaker 4: can't talk about the vaccine or any kind of stuff
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  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 2: Now that it's so out and open.
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  Speaker 4: And watching Joe kind of analyze this, that it's made
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  Speaker 4: such a weird impression on him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I want to say I do think it's very interesting.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, I do believe in God. I was
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  Speaker 4: raised Catholic.
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  Speaker 2: I do believe in Jesus. I do pray.
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  Speaker 3: And you're a manifester because you told me on the
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  Speaker 3: phone you are obsessed with fainting. And you were like,
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  Speaker 3: this is where you use your manifesting juice. Well, there's two.
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  Speaker 2: Things that I saw, okay?
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  Speaker 4: One was I believe I did an episode with Josh
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  Speaker 4: Flagg a few years ago because someone brought it up.
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  Speaker 2: And I said I have a fainting fantasy.
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  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: I might have even written it in a book.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure where, because then somebody in the comments
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  Speaker 4: of his thing had a quote for me and they
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  Speaker 4: said 2011. And it was like, I have a fainting
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  Speaker 4: fantasy where if I faint, I don't know where they
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  Speaker 4: got it. I don't know if they got it from
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  Speaker 4: an episode of Chelsea lately or my book. Cause 2011,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't have the podcast yet. And that I, I
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  Speaker 4: was just like, yeah. And then, but also in the
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  Speaker 4: writer's room, I came across papers cause I just moved
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  Speaker 4: and Jen Kirkman had written, put all this funny stuff
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  Speaker 4: of crazy stuff people had said in the writer's room
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  Speaker 4: over the years and we printed it out and I
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  Speaker 4: kept it in a file and I looked at the
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  Speaker 4: paper recently and it said I have a fainting fantasy
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  Speaker 4: we're all faint and it'll be in front of a
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  Speaker 4: crowd and people will be like oh is she okay
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like no I just forgot to eat that
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  Speaker 4: day and so it's crazy that I said it at
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  Speaker 4: one time not once but twice you know either on
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  Speaker 4: the show or in a book or in a writer's
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  Speaker 4: room or a few times And I didn't think about
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  Speaker 4: that when it happened either.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, do I have some brain tumor
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  Speaker 2: or something? Right, it's actually not that sexy to fake.
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  Speaker 3: It's very embarrassing.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't get paid.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone got their money back. I had to come back,
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  Speaker 4: redo the show. Some people came back. Some people was like,
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  Speaker 4: fuck it. 90% of my audience that was there was
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  Speaker 4: traumatized and lovely about it. It was kind of traumatic
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  Speaker 4: for my son who witnessed it, who was there watching me.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, yeah, I do think.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 4: And people really got mad that I said, so clearly,
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  Speaker 4: clearly Jesus loves me the most. I joke because I've
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  Speaker 4: also said in my act, if you've been following me
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  Speaker 4: a long time, do your Christian service, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: I'll joke and be like, oh, I tagged you. It's
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  Speaker 4: my Christian service for the day. As someone who was,
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  Speaker 4: went to Catholic school, they always are like, did you
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  Speaker 4: get your Christian service out? So I like joke about it.
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  Speaker 4: So it all came from that. But from People that
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  Speaker 4: are very conservative, they think that I'm like mocking God
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  Speaker 4: from that clip and that God like came down and
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  Speaker 4: flicked me and didn't like that I was joking.
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  Speaker 2: But now I feel with Joe, maybe people will be like.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, maybe Jesus actually did take this opportunity or God
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  Speaker 4: to get the conversation going.
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  Speaker 2: Because this was a clip that was used.
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  Speaker 4: It has been used by other people. I don't even
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  Speaker 4: know how many times, like a hundred million times. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I said to my husband, I go, maybe
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  Speaker 4: this should be pinned at the top of my Instagram
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  Speaker 4: because I'm like, I don't think I've like utilized it enough.
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  Speaker 4: And anyway, Joe Rogan, I love your show. I love
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  Speaker 4: what you've done for podcasting. I love how many people
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  Speaker 4: you've featured. I would love to come on and talk
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  Speaker 4: about it with you. I will fly down to Austin.
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  Speaker 4: I think we'd have a juicy conversation about being parents
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  Speaker 4: and what our kids think of our acts and our podcasts.
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  Speaker 4: There's so many things we could discuss. And so there
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  Speaker 4: you go with that. But that is interesting. And every
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  Speaker 4: time I think it's like done, it's kind of not
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  Speaker 4: because the conversation comes up and it is poetic timing.
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  Speaker 4: It is religious timing.
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  Speaker 2: It is crazy that it happened right there. That moment.
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  Speaker 3: And I do think you were like God's messenger or
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  Speaker 3: like mother nature's messenger to start these conversations. And the
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: fact that, I don't know, it's, you say like some
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: people are conservative and that's why they were triggered. There
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: is just a per capita representation of just professionally triggered
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: people on the left, on the right, in the middle, whatever,
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: that they're like, They can take a joke about Judaism.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: They can take a joke about, you know, left-handed people
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: or whatever, but you can't come for their particular corner
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: of the world. Suddenly they have no sense of humor.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: And also it always bummed me out because I was like,
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: oh my God, do you know how much money I've spent?
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: I got married in the Catholic church. I was raised
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: in the Catholic church. I went to 12 years of
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: Catholic school. All of my kids went to Catholic school. Like,
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: so I'm like, for people to then write like, oh,
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: I'm like, some lefty libtard, you know, which is rude
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: to say about anybody, but like, because that I was
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: like saying, I got the jet, you know, I, and
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: then I got the vaccine and you should too.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: That wasn't it at all. But you know, everyone has
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: a right to their opinion, but I.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Will say it has absolutely done nothing with furthering my career.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Absolutely fucking nothing.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: But you don't know that. And this is the thing.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think it has. I have not seen a
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: bump from my fate.
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: You don't know that. And this is the thing with like,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: our career and cancel culture, like what seems like the
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: worst thing that can happen or even like a net
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: neutral event. It's like, all right, I fainted. I had
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: to give everyone's fucking money back. You just don't know
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: the butterfly effect it has down the line, like Joe
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: talking about it.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: And suddenly it's a conversation again.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: People are doing things now or whatever good or bad
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: or how you feel about it. Now, I mean, you
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: might be mad at me because you might not like
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: where we are in the vaccination world, maybe because of
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: my faint.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. All I know is that this happened
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: How is someone personally offended by you fainting? Like, are
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: these people on drugs? How is someone offended by your
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: personal life experience? And this is the thing with anyone
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: getting canceled and just talking about, hey, I like living here.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't enjoy this. I do like this. Like, How
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: does that affect their life's outcomes day to day? Like,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: is you fainting the reason their husband's leaving them or
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: the reason they've got four DUIs? Make it, like, put
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: these pieces together.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: And then I just want to say that happened on
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: a Saturday. I flew home on Saturday. a Sunday, I think,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: or a Monday, but I put out the show on Tuesday.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I got into my studio. I wore sunglasses. I told
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: the story.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: I got there because I was like, I do not
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: want people because my job and my livelihood that supports
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: my company, my family, everything that my husband and I've
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: worked for is me being cognitive.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: So I literally got and was like, I don't know
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: why this happened. I don't have something wrong with me.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: And then I had awful other podcasters that were my
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: friends at one time then went on their show to
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: say maybe she has brain damage maybe that's what's wrong
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: with her oh maybe maybe you have brain damage jeff
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: lewis said that on serious radio and of course no
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: one will ever serious nobody he's never apologized nothing but
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: i'm just saying that's what i then had to fight
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: against so thank god It didn't have lasting effect on
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: my career, though someone was trying to make it look
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: like I was mentally or physically not okay.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Nothing's happened since. I did recover.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Nobody really knows why that happened. And people could argue
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: it could be you never know what it is. And,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: you know, it doesn't necessarily mean there's a correlation. But
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: do I now think, yeah, I do think I add it.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: significantly to the conversation.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: You absolutely did. And it's these things that at the
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: time seemed so random or insignificant or planned or whatever
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that turned out to be so much more significant and
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: a jumping off point for a larger conversation.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: One reward.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Endless choice. Skip the hassle. Reward the easy way.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: what would you.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: Do if it was given back? Where did that need
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: come from where you thought that you had to succeed
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: in order to feel loved?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: He said, I have a work dad.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: I need a home dad.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: What happens next?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: When I came in, he started crying.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Everybody in life encounters hardships.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: What defines them is not those hard moments that they
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: go through.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm not going to
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: pull punches. You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: So let's get a little bit about, you know, that
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you worked in with Star Magazine with the tabloids and
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: all of that. And then what happened between leaving that,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: starting your own YouTube, and then you even had a
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: moment of cancellation.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, I had a big moment.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Why don't you tell us about that?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I was with Star Magazine until 2019. I got laid off,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: and I'd had my YouTube channel.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: And did you get laid off because just people were
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: not buying physical magazines anymore?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Was that a big layoff?
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I had survived in seven years of that company 14
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: rounds of layoffs because it's poorly run. They don't listen
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: to their audience. They don't follow a narrative with the
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: celebrities that they write about. It's like one week Kate
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Middleton's anorexic, the next she's pregnant with triplets. I'm like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: just pick a fucking storyline and take it through a
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: whole season, right? Stop switching up the characters. If this
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: is what you believe, follow it out. So I think
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I was also just getting a little bit uppity over there.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I was encouraging people, take your full lunch break. you
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: don't need to check your emails on the weekends. You know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I was kind of that Martha Ray person. So I
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: think finally the hatchet swung to me and it was,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: it was like a fainting on stage at the time.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, why is this happening? This is terrible. But
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I was able to put my energy full time towards
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: YouTube and it took off. And yeah, I was blowing
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: up as a YouTuber until lockdown until quarantine when I
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: got canceled, when everyone was coming for the sassy white
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: chicks on the internet.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: What happened?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Well, um, creators are like, we're going after her. We're
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: going to find things on her. And the things they
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: found were things I had said in my YouTube videos
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: that I edited and put on the internet on purpose recently.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like the smoking gun, the big smoking gun
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: was a tweet 10 years prior to that saying I
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: had a sex dream about Justin Bieber. So they declared
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: that I was a pedophile, posted my address on Twitter,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: which is, it trended number three, Sean Mendez DM to me.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: He's like, I've never heard of you I don't know
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: why this is happening to you I'm so sorry this
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: is crazy I was like Sean I just hope it
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: never happens to you and three days later people canceled.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Him what did he get canceled for like.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Nothing he's like I like sushi and they're like racist
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: like nothing like nothing Sean.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Is the most it was just a crazy time because
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: people were bored and at home and angry and but
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: yeah okay so so um I want to just interrupt
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: for one second because I will say and I've said
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: this too So when Justin Bieber was just first coming up,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I was working on Chelsea Lately, and he was this
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: cute little adorable boy, right? And I think he was
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: maybe 14 when he came on the show. And we're
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: always coming up with bits. And this was like 15
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: years ago. And myself, I think Sarah Colonna and Jen Kirkman,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: who's the one who wrote the notes of saying, I
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: have a fainting fantasy. We dressed in like sexy outfits
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: and he was in the green room and we were like, Hey,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: and we joked about it after like a few years later, like, ew,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: that was like so wrong and inappropriate.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Like he was like a kid. He went along with it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: He was super professional.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: And then he gets sits down and like flirts with
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Chelsea where Chelsea was not flirting back, which good for
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: her that she wasn't. And, um, but that was just,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: it was just like a thing.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It's a joke.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: It's a joke.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: It was a thing. And, but people were, you know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: pointing at that. So I, okay. So then that comes out.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: So then what's the, the, the fallout of this people
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: discovering the tweet about your dream?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: And I did not apologize. I'm not an apologizer. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I saw how many people who were getting canceled had
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: these like groveling, pathetic apologies. And it just was more
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: chum in the water. It just made people go after
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: them harder because, And I was like, if you don't
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: like me, fuck you. Don't watch.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not sorry for anything I've ever said or done.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: If you don't like it, don't watch. You're not even
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: paying to be here on my YouTube channel. You're like
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: eating the samples at Costco and then kicking over the stand.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: It's like, leave. What are you doing?
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: So that people didn't like that. I'm glad that I
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: didn't apologize. I was kind of one of the first people,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: certainly the first one of the first women to get
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: canceled to be like, go fuck yourself. Like, I don't care.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: It's not going to make this better. And it did not.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: So my, yeah, my address was trending.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And that's when you were in New York.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I was in, I was in Southern California with my
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: mom locked down, but I was living in New York.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I'd gotten stuck out here. And I had to call
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: the FBI cause I'm like, I don't know what to do.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Like there's death threats. I don't know. I don't know
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: what to do like this. This career we're on, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: especially cancellation, it's a frontier. And there's no rules.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: So when people talk about death threats, because I told
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: you on the phone, I go, I have been a
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: little bit like, all right, let's not be overly dramatic.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: What were yours that brought enough concern that it wasn't
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: just a comment like, you should die, you're gross? Like
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: how severe was it? Was it one particular person that
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: kept writing you or what was it?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I was trying not to look at it because it
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: was so awful, but I was having like my team
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: look at it and they're like, it seems like people
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: are making plans and coordinating things. Like it seemed like
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: it was taking on more of a life of its own.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I called the FBI, went in there several times.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: They assessed the threats and they're like, listen, there's not 30,000
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: viable threats, but there's enough. And so you need to move.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: You got to Get out of your mother's house immediately.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Go get your stuff from New York. Never go back.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: And go someplace, number one, where you can have a
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: lot of guns and where no one can really find you.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: So I was going to move to Hawaii, but you
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: can't really have a lot of guns there.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Why do you need a lot? Why don't you just
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: have one? Because it's much.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: More fun to have a lot. I mean, you want
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: one in your car. You want one in your house, nightstand.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I grew up in a house.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Where my dad was a former combat marine in World
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: War II.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: However, he was very much for gun control. Of course.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: He was very much for gun control, and he would
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: tell me, and he would write checks to support gun control,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: and he'd write a check, and he would say, this
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: will do no good because they have so much power.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: He's like, but we will never have a gun in
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: this house because he was knowledgeable enough about himself and
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I have a brother that I that he knew it
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: might have issues so we he we never were taught
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: how to use a gun he was never taught how
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: to use a gun he never got in trouble with
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: a gun in his life he sent past but I
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: always thought I I love that my dad saw that
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: about himself about his child and and knew that we
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: were never going to have one in the house. And
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: I wish more parents would do that. I believe everyone
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: can have the right to do that. But if you
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: feel that you're in a situation where it might not,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: where it could be used for the wrong thing, you know, like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: and I know this is a very touchy subject for
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: the show, but I don't, again, I don't care. Cause
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I've never really said how I feel on it. I
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: get it. Like I get it. And I respect people
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: that were raised with it, know how to use it, whatever.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: It's very touchy. This is touchy. And I apologize to
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: anyone that's like triggered by this conversation.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe we have to cut it out. I'm not sure.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: It is time that we bring these conversations that everyone
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: is having in private at brunch with their friends into
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: the public. Like we have to stop being so afraid
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: of triggering people who are literally only looking to get triggered.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So anyway, you moved to a place where you could
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: have that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: I did.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And good for you.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I moved to Montana.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: And you know how to use them. Yeah, I do.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: And I'm very in favor of gun. I mean, put
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: any roadblock you want in front of me in a gun,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: a psyche valve, taxes, a waiting period.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: That's fine. We can pass them all. I'll pass them all.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And everybody I know in Montana, almost everyone has a
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: gun and everyone else is in favor of this. They're like, yeah, like,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: let's make it hard. Let's have classes like no one's
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: like boom, boom, boom, boom. Just like root and toot
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: and wild west.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: People are much more.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: But it's a hard conversation when you're in this.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Entertainment world and there's been one way to think and
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: all of that so let's just get back to now
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: so then you started living there doing your stuff there
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: yeah and you feel good i love.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: It i love the country okay yeah i split my
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: time between um orange county and montana and it's fantastic
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: and jock and i are working on tv show actually
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: so we might get a reality show going in uh in.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Montana i know i love that so now let's talk
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: about justin bieber a I have talked about the online
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: videos of how she was always around him and Selena.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: And was she kind of stalking him?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Was she a super fan?
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Or was she just a child of another Hollywood person
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: and she was a fan and all of that? But
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: they've since been married quite a while. They both are
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: devout Christians and they have a child.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: But... He has not been looking healthy.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: He did a very weird 13-minute live, which is very
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: strange when a big star like that is just like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: you know what I think I'm going to do tonight?
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Go live.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Go live and reveal everything. And at one point he.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Showed a photo of the baby not wearing any clothes,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: which has since been taken down, but that was there.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Answering questions, whatnot.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: And then it was reported through people that Haley had
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: stopped following him. Now TMZ says, no, that's not true.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: She didn't unfollow him. It's part of, this is what
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: TMZ is saying, just hasn't unfollowed him. It was just
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: a Instagram glitch.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: What?
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's happening here, but there's something happening
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: with Justin, I believe.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I believe that there is too. I've heard that it's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: kind of involved in the Diddy things that are coming up.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Like he might be deposed or there might be information
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: about him.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, that this is like skeletons he would rather, not
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: of his guilt, but he was maybe caught up in
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: traumatized in Diddy's disgusting saga. And he doesn't look great.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: He doesn't look great.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: And then some people are like, he's older and he's
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: a dad. I'm like, I don't think he's up all
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: night breastfeeding. I don't think that's why he looks tired.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: No.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And you can find him at any gas station in Tampa.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't look great.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: No.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: And I don't know. It was strange.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: And then speaking of which, I just saw an ad
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: for a TMZ show where they are doing the defense
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: of Diddy, where they're having like a mock defense team
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: do it and a mock jury who are going to
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: weigh in on if they, will this mock jury think
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: that he's innocent or not? Obviously the whole defense of
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Diddy is, People have threesomes. People have orgies. These were
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: consensual adults and consensual sex workers. They weren't being trafficked.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: They wanted to be there. They were being paid or not.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: And that's the bulk of the defense. And so I
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: don't know how it's going to turn out, but it
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: reminds me of when I think it was Geraldo that
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: did the grand jury or the trial of Jean Benet
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: and if her parents would be convicted or really the mom.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Would the mom be convicted of murder or not? And
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: when I saw that documentary, they showed an old interview
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: of the mom who since died of Jean Benet who
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: was like, imagine I'm a housewife watching daytime TV. Still
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: mourning my mother's death. Whether you believe she did it
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: or not, this is what she said. Turned on the
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: TV to see a mock jury of Wood, and they
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: did convict her, the mock jury of this daytime talk show.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: The difference there is, like, we still don't know. Like,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: that was such a mystery with Sean Benet. It's like,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: who could it be?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: We still don't know.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: With Diddy, it's like, who on earth is like, well,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think almost everyone is like.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Kanye, I guess. Well.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: case closed then we have the arbiter of logic and
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: sanity in Diddy's Corner so egg on my face like
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: nobody is in Diddy's Corner on this and we don't
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: have to like hmm and I also don't think people
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: even care or are surprised that celebrities have orgies and
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: threesomes like who cares no one's like clutching their pearls
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: that like a rapper is sleeping with multiple people everyone's
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: on board with this it's Cases of baby oil. It's
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: underage people. It's the weird death of his ex-wife and
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: baby mama.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: It's that, Diddy. Yeah, there's so much. So anyway, I
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: just wanted you to know that we'll know about that. Now,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: this was really juicy. I follow Sloane Hooks.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: That is a beautiful man. That's a beautiful man.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: You don't know who Sloane Hooks is?
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: He's a big YouTuber, too. He's been on the show.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I'm the worst YouTuber. I'm all output. I don't know anybody.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Well, anyway, I follow him. So he brought the story
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: to me. Adorable Rain Disick, the youngest son of Scott
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: and Courtney Disick. And then, of course, she has her
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: other son with Baker.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: What's his first name? Travis. Pencil. So people have said
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the timeline of the conception of what it would be
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: when she got pregnant with Rain was a time, maybe
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: it was, I thought it was fake for the show
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: or for PR, but Courtney and Justin at the time
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: were hanging out together.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Okay. I remember this.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So they were hanging out.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I remember when Justin did a radio show and someone
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: was like, you hooked up with Courtney. And his exact
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: words were, I got used, man.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I got used.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: He was laughing like, oh, like obviously she used me
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: for sex.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: Maybe.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Or I got used thinking I'd get sex. Sex. But
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: it was just to be on the show and to
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: have a storyline. Was he on the show though? Was he?
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Part of it?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Someone has to look it up. So
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: it could be either or. However, however, I do remember that,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and yes, this is awful.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: We're talking about a paternity of a little kid, but it's,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: they're in the public eye and whatever.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: We're creators. We're awful people. I mean, it is what
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I do remember Scott when, or hearing about it or
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: watching it, him being really quite shocked by this third
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: pregnancy and being like, We don't even sleep in the
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: same room, this or that. However, I thought at the
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: time that I thought all the girls, because they don't
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: really stick with these men, I think one regret that
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Kris Jenner would say is when she was a little girl, she.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Always said, I want to have six kids. That's documented
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: in her book. She said it. I want to have
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: six kids. She always says she regrets....
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Stepping out on Robert Kardashian and then they got divorced
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: and they you know ended up being really good friends
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: after she then meets Bruce Jenner at the time and
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: then they have the two more girls which a lot
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: of people do when they have like a big break
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: I have a friend the same thing happened five sisters
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: then ten years and then well I gotta have one
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: more so they have a friend so she has the
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: two littles in early 40s Kendall and Kylie and um
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: And so I've always so I always thought, you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Courtney wants to have another child. And maybe she at
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: that time was like, well, I'm ovulating. Scott's still in
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: my life.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Right. I want all the siblings to be. I don't
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: want to deal with another baby daddy. I want them
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: to match. Kim, which we'll get to in a minute. Yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Kim, you know, had four kids with Kanye, two that
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: she carried. And all her biological children, but two that
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: she had to have a surrogate because the two pregnancies
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: were difficult.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I was always like, well, I wonder if
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that's the case. Even Kylie. Kylie has two kids with,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: what's the guy's name?
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Name cannot be found.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: His name's Travis.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: She has two kids with him. We'll see if she
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: has any with Timothy. Then Courtney went on to get
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: married to Travis Barker and has her little boy. So
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I just wanted, I never, I was like, oh, well,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: that's probably it, Scott. She probably really wasn't, you guys
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: probably weren't that together, but she might have cozied up
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: to you during her ovulation, whatever.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's the kind of guy who's going
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: to turn down sex.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Or be like, wait a minute, are you ovulating? I
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: think that these words are completely foreign.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: So now the people that are into the sluice, which also, listen,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: they've also said we don't think that courtney is i
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: mean sorry chloe is robert kardashian she's the hairdresser daughters
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: that's what we've always people think that i people thought
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: oj i don't think oj at all um but anyway
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: they i remember they were gonna do a 23andme or
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: dna and then they decided not to but they made
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: an episode out of it there you know there are
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: fair because her when she was growing up her hair
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: was more blonde there was Robert is tall as well.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: And he looks just like the dad. So like there is, there,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: there are tall people in the family, whatever, who cares? So,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: but with this one, his little face, it looks a
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: lot like Justin's little face at the time. And people
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: have done the reason and put it together. So he's
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: doing a live with some other kid. That's like a
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: family friend.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And he's reading it. And someone says to little rain,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: who's like, I don't know, eight or something, is Justin
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Bieber your dad?
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: What?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And then he goes, no, no, my dad's Scott. No, no, no.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And my immediate thought is I don't think a kid
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: that age, being asked that on the spot, is thinking
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: they're asking that because maybe my mom slept with Justin Bieber.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Of course not.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: He's asking it like if someone said, Heather– is your
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: dad Ronald McDonald? No, my dad's not Ronald McDonald. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: wish I was heir to the McDonald fortune.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: He's not. He's Bob McDonald. That's a crazy thing to ask.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: That guy's a clown. Like, whatever. So I think he
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: was just kind of like, what? Why would anyone think that?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Don't you know my dad is Scott Disick? Like, I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: think he wasn't thinking that. And so, anyway, pretty.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Crazy that it's coming up. And I do feel like
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: it is something that, We should never know, never test it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Scott doesn't want it. Scott is a good
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: looking guy, too. Courtney, you know, I mean, you see
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Courtney in his face. I don't know. But they did
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the same thing to Chloe. So to them, they're probably like,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: this is so disgusting. I hate this.
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: But.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just reporting on what's being talked about.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: We're just reading the news, people.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I could see it. I mean, Scott and Justin have
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: that sort of Kirkland Signature white man vibe. You know,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: same kind of bone structure, same kind of nose. Like,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: you mix those genes in, it's kind of hard to
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: tell the difference. I mean, maybe she wanted another baby.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Scott was, like, non-viable for whatever reason.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, it would be interesting if he, you know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: starts leaning towards singing and stuff. He's quite the character,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: but so is Scott. Like, he's the one who's sassy
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: and funny, but Scott is sassy and funny.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Courtney's not that tight.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, it could be, you know, but also
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: it's hanging around your dad. You know, there's genes and
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: then there's.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Just, you know, who you're growing up with. Yeah, right, exactly.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: So anyway, there's that. Okay, getting back to the horrible
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Kanye West.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. Kanye West did another interview where he's wearing
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: a black Ku Klux Klan. No, you had it right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Ku Klux Klan.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Outfit, but instead of white, it's black.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Where do you even get a black one? I don't
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: think that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Was part of the spring collection. He does have a
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: clothing line. This is true.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: The seamstress, I'm just picturing walking in like, I need
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: you to sew something. Make it bigger.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Pointer.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: And she's like, what?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Wait, what am I fucking making right now? Yeah, it's super,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: super pointy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Super pointy.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: And he's just having a conversation. I don't know who
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the guy that interviewed him.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: I think I saw someone else pick it up, and
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: that's what I saw. And it was hard to watch
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: just this interview at all. And he is using the N-word,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: the F-A-G-word over and over and over again, talking about
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: John Legend being that, and that he was wearing sweaters
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: and 102 degrees and Barbados and just ripping on people,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: just everything. Then he goes on to say that, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: TMZ is reporting on it too, that he never wanted
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: to have kids with Kim. And he has said that
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: in previous things where he, when he was preaching, when
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: he was doing his Christian stuff, his weird church.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: He made a whole thing of that he felt very
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: guilty at the time because when he heard about the pregnancy,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: his initial thought was to end the pregnancy. And he
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: felt so bad. And everyone was like, oh, my God,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: it's beautiful that you found him. Christ and life and whatever,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: but everyone also thought, why would you.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Say that publicly?
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: And why are you saying this?
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Because it's so horrible. So now there were three... you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: kids after that. He goes, well, God had a plan.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Well, God didn't have a.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Plan because you had a surrogate and you used, I
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: think they did IVF for all three after.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Well, he wasn't banging the surrogate, so yeah. No, he wasn't. Like,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: there's medical intervention.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: So it's like, it wasn't God's plan.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: If you didn't want to have any more kids, you
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: would have had the kid and like, you know, moved on.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: But no, you not only had the kid before, then
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: you had your big lavish wedding and then went on
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: to have three more kids. And then of course you're
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: a nightmare. And now she, now it's like the biggest
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: nightmare on earth. I think this is the worst thing
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: that has ever happened to the Kardashians. I don't know
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: how you end this nightmare of like keeping your kids
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: from his hatred, hatred and rhetoric and like, Oh my God.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: It's just awful.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: And there, and I just feel so, I mean, I
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: don't care how people feel about Kim Kardashian.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: This is the worst thing that could happen.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: It's a nightmare scenario for any woman. And I wish
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Kim would talk more about it because it is the
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: most relatable thing about her. It's like this. I am
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: tethered to this man who is so toxic. He's bleeding
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: into my children's lives. Of course.
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: There is no way out as long as he's alive.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: And this is his personality or this is his level
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: of medication. There's no way out. I don't know why
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: he's bringing up, yeah, not wanting kids. But the only
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: men who I ever hear say, yeah, I didn't want
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: these kids anyway, are the ones who are too broke
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: to pay child support. Suddenly that's when they're doing like
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Monday morning quarterback. And I didn't even want this family.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: You bullied me into it. Broke men say this. Rich
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: men are like, you know what? Yep, I've got kids.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I'm writing the check. This is how it is. We're
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: going to keep everyone happy.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: And then the other side is men will say when
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: women go that his broke ass, he's a loser.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: They'd be like, yeah, and you chose him.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: And you chose him, right?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: The point is, through that old joke, like, you know,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: would he make a nice ex-husband? Actually, you should think
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: You absolutely should.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: You actually should think in going forward, whether it's getting
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: married or... First of all, you know, hopefully it is
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: a choice and it's something that you were planning on it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: But, you know... But also, like, if you have the
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: luxury of choosing to procreate with this person, really think
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: about it. Really think, how would they react if.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Things changed and you fell in love with someone else
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: or there was a step parent involved. What what is
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: their relationship with their parents and.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Would they be OK? Because you really cannot escape them.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: California in particular is very is very good about giving
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: fathers rights even more than other states.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: So, like, get ready.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: They're going to want you to share custody unless there's
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: something so.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: And you should monumental.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: But I think this would do it. I would think
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: if she went for it. But I wonder if she's
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: just not because her kids are getting of a certain
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: age where she feels like she doesn't want to be
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: the one that took.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Her kids from talking to him or seeing him.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, she's going to be the bad guy.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: And it's interesting. We pick a car with more judiciousness.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: The first thing we think about a car is, well,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: what's it going to be like in an accident? We
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: don't have that concept with a male.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: What's it going to be like in 10 years?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: What's it going to be like in the accident, like
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: in the trauma scenario that he's making a Klan hoodie
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: and wearing it in an interview? But this personality of
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: his did not come out of nowhere. This did not.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Even if it was, if this is even 80% mental illness,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: that did not happen earlier this year. That has been present.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: And she still chose to reproduce with him.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like Amber Rose warned us.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: She warned all of us.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: She is.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Nation's greatest philosopher, truly.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Also on that note, Robert Kardashian had a Bible that
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: he'd write notes in it. It was a very special thing.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: He was, you know, like devout Christian as well. And
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: he gave it to OJ. And so they were selling
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: OJ things in an auction. And Kim tried to buy
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: it for 15 grand. However, I guess she lost out.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: It went for 80.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Why didn't she just buy it. I find it interesting
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: that she had a cap amount that she was going
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: to spend on this important relic.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: For her family.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know the details of what happened with the
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: auctioneer or what, or if she just put a cap
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: on it, or I don't.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Really know how it happened.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want anything that has been in OJ Simpson's
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: house around my children.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: That could be another part of it. Maybe she's like,
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: you know what? If I can't get it for 15,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: you know what it's meant to be? Maybe it'll touch
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: another person's heart. My dad's in my heart. I don't
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: need the Bible that he gave to his friend when
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: he thought his friend was innocent, and then when he
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: realized he wasn't, when he was shocked at the, you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: when you see Robert Kardashian's face go, when they say
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: not killed, like, maybe she's just like, you know what?
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: If I can get it for this, great. If not,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: let someone else have it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that philosophy was. That seems to
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: be Kim's vibe.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, whatever will be, will be. If my
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: ex-husband's going to wear a Klan hood.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Let them.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Let them! Like, girl, there's another half of that. It's
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: let me. Let me go back to my divorce attorney.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Let me go back to the courts.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Right. Kim. Okay, what is the deal? Because I'm seeing
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: this story everywhere. Sydney Sweeney, who's the very attractive actress,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: she exploded on euphoria.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: She's very known for her sexy, like, unique shaped eyes
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: and big natural breasts. And she's done the big, She
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: did like a big romantic comedy.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: That was the best movie. She's done other... What was
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: that movie called?
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Anyone But You.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: It's so cute. And what is going on with her
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: romances right now?
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: So I just put up a video about this.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Because on my channel I talk pop culture, but like
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: what we can learn from it, like the larger lessons.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: So for this, it's like she has been dating this guy, engaged.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: She's 27. He's 41. He locked her down pretty fast.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: They were linked in 2018. So she was... I can't
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: do the math, but she was young, very young. And
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that when she was kind of a babe
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: in the woods in Hollywood, this guy... He's a failed
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: restaurateur turned producer, just general Hollywood. I mean, he slicks
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: his hair back.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: So, okay.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: You know, that kind of Hollywood type. I'm sure he
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: took her under his wing and like prevented her from
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: being like cannon fodder for the Harvey Weinsteins out there.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: But now that she's so much more autonomous and growing up,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: it's like, do I still need this sort of like
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: daddy husband in my corner? Do I want to go out,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: have that ho phase, be an autonomous adult? And I
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: think so many women identify with that. Like, When do
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: you let go of the good guy if they are good,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: if they are perfect on paper, but you've just kind
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: of outgrown them and you don't want that daddy vibe?
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, you want daddy, but not like... The parentification
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: type relationship. So I'm happy to see her out and about.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I hope she has a rip-roaring process. So she was
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: engaged to him.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And now has she called off the engagement or
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: she's just not wearing the ring and hanging out with what's-his-name?
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Evidently, she's deleted photos of them kissing from her Instagram,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: which was pretty bad. Unless this is another, oh, it's
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: just a glitch. Right, Justin?
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Right, Haley?
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: And yeah, she did a photo shoot without her.
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: Ring.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Engagement ring, yeah. And she's been hanging out with Glenn Powell,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: who allegedly- Who.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Was her co-star in that movie. Yes, and there was
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: all that gossip that- That people wondered if that was
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: just for looks or whatever.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I have to believe it was real. The body language,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I did a whole bunch of breakdowns on this, but
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: he would grab her by the back of the neck
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: on the red carpet, and that's how he would hold
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: his girlfriend. The body languages were the same with the
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: woman he was dating and then with Sydney. And I
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: think body language is- Harder to fake. It's not impossible.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: These people are actors. But I like to think it
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: was a burgeoning romance, even if it meant she cheated.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I don't care. Good for her. All right.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: OK.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: OK. Yes.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Chappell Roan was on Call Her Daddy. And this clip
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: has gotten a lot of conversation going. And she said,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: you know, she's she's I think she's in a relationship.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: And I don't know with whom, but she doesn't have kids.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Well, she's dating a girl. Yeah, she's pretty safe from
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: accidentally getting knocked out.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I know she's... I didn't know if she... I didn't
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: know if she was... Who knows?
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: I know she says she likes girls and is bisexual.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: I just didn't know whoever this person's significant other.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. Anyway, so she says... And they're, like, laughing.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: And it's a conversation, you know? Which happens, you know?
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: And she says.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Every single one of my friends who has gone on
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: to be a mom with little kids have no joy
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: in their eyes.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: They're exhausted.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: They're tired. They're miserable, whatever. And, you know, they're laughing
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: about it. Alex Cooper, the host, she doesn't have kids yet,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: but she's married, so who knows. Me, as someone who
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: has kids that are now older, I was like, that's
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: kind of funny. It's kind of like it's basically like
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: I could see a stand-up talking about that, that they're
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: dead in the eyes or exhausted.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Because you are. I don't even remember... those years that well.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Mother nature doesn't want you to remember them, so you
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: keep having babies.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Because you really are sleep deprived. And you're like, and
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: my mom used to say that. She goes, having a baby,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: it's like, what would she say? She would say like,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: it's painful, it's exhausting, but God makes you forget so
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: that you have another. And also, it's like, those years,
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: you're sad that you don't remember them as well because
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: they're so cuddly and cute, but you really don't because
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: you really are tired and you really are burning and
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: you don't have any time from the moment you wake
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: up till, till you put them in bed, you maybe
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: have 10 minutes before you fall asleep yourself.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Like at the end. And then all of a sudden
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: they get older and then you're like, Oh my God,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: they can.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Take their own showers. And like, I actually can watch
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: a show and then, and then they're gone. So it's like, it's, it's,
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: but I didn't think it was, I thought it was funny,
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: but people have, of course, gotten upset about it and said,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: you know, how dare you?
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Like, you don't know. Why would you say that?
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: What if, and then, you know, people are saying, what
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: about single people that are unhappy? I have a lot
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: more single people who are unhappy, who can't find their
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: husbands or child.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I am happily, very happily child-free and I
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: completely understand what chapel saying. I mean, I think misery
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: loves company and you have a lot of moms who
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: are just bitching, bitching, bitching.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Of course they love their kids, but it's, The trade-off
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: is huge and it's relentless and you cannot change it.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can abandon your family. You're not going to.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: The single people who bitch are actively working to change
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: their situation. They want to find a partner, you know,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: but the moms who bitch were like, well, wait, why
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: did you, how are you pregnant again, girl? And you
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: and I were talking about this.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: But I will also say, I think that that's also
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: what we're seeing in the zeitgeist and comedy is that
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: you can bitch about your kids and it's funny.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: And it's okay.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: And I'm so glad moms have that outlet.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: And so if they were bitching to her or having
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: fun with it, like, also, well, we didn't, like, I
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: was just complaining like you would about your man or
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: your husband, like, leaving his socks everywhere and the toilet
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: seats up.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: It's like the old stupid joke. But, like. yes, you know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: is it exhausting? Is it tiring?
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Are you like, Oh God, must be nice that you
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: could lay in your bed and read an entire vanity fair.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: And like, yeah, I have those days now and it
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: is really nice. And I remember that I didn't have
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: those Saturdays. I was getting up and you know, I did,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: I did land at the airport and bring my giant
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: suitcase to the baseball field to watch the game from
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: dropped off in an Uber. Cause my husband had to
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: be there. So he wasn't going to pick me up.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I have to at least see
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: one game this weekend. And like, Yeah, there's all of
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: that that's, like, exhausting. And then, you know, whether you
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: have the luxury of staying at home or the luxury
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: of working or however you want to see it, if
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: you're lucky or not, I don't know. But I thought,
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: I think this is the one, like, generation, too, where
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: I have no judgment if someone wants to be child-free
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: by choice. You know, child-free by choice was something that
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: I heard, like, 10 years ago that no one had
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: talked about That it is a choice. It wasn't like
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: I tried or I wanted to. It's like, no, I
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: really never saw. And I've had people come up to
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: me or say, you know, should I? I don't even know.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know how I feel. I don't know if
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: I should have one more or have one at all.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: We're deciding.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: And in those cases, I'd be like, well, why don't
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: you just fuck with your husband?
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: That's always my answer to that. And if it happens.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Just fuck. If it happens, then great.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: And if it doesn't, then you don't want it so
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: much that you're going to go the next step to
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: have a fertility journey and to hopefully have it work out.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Or go through the trauma of it. Be lucky that
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: you don't want it that much. So if it happens, great.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: If it doesn't, you're like, oh, God wanted this or
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: the universe wanted it or whatever. I do think it's
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: a good time. I understand women still get pressure, but
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I think for the first time in this Gen Z.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to feel that pressure like
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: they have in the past.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: You know, as a woman, you're always going to feel
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: that pressure. Like every generation thinks we're breaking the mold.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: We're disruptors. Bitch, no, you're not. Like we're maybe moving
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: a quarter of a standard deviation away from the norm
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: in terms of like, hey, we can like question whether
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: we want kids. But people always kind of come at
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: me with like, you're going to change your mind. Or
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: now that I'm like too old to change my mind, it's.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: You're going to be sad when you're old. You're going
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: to be sad when you're old about something. And every
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: old person I know is like, there's always going to
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: be something that you regret or you wanted to do differently.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: And society just always supports and lionizes weddings and babies.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Plural babies. If you have one baby, if you're a
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: woman listening and you have one baby.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: You get this.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: You don't want a weird only child. That'd be so weird.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: They're going to turn out to be bizarre. There's always,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: it's like, then have more. How many are you going
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: to have? It's like, there's always that opinion and that
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: celebration over it. Like you don't get, you don't go
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: on Etsy and order like custom things for a PhD
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: party or a corner office party or a book publishing party.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: It's for bachelorettes, weddings, baby showers. That's the machine. And
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: yet we, it's like on one hand, that's such a celebration.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: And on the other, it's like Chapel said, like you
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: look in your friend's eyes and they're like dead and
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: crying for help. They're like a hostage. And so we hear,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: it's like, well, which is it? Should we be super
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: excited about this or should be really pulling back and
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: looking real deal at like, who am I procreating with?
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Am I just fucking and seeing what happens? Or am
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: I getting into a Kanye situation potentially? Because I'm not
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: really being in the driver's seat of these decisions and
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: thinking like long term. Parenthood seems really hard when you
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: do want it. And if you're like, ah, Then it
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: seems like an absolute death sentence. It seems like it
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: would be so much resentment, so much difficulty.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Well, you should never do it.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: I remember when I was doing real estate, I had
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: the listing of this house and the couple was getting divorced. And,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: you know, one day the woman kind of opened up
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: to me and she.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Was like, we got married and I really wanted a child.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: And he did not. And he was like, okay, but
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: if you have that child, I'm not doing one thing.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Oh God.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: And he literally did not do one thing.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: Like did not like, like literally the bottle could be
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: there and she could be in the kitchen and she
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: could be like, can you just hand the bottle to
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: the kid? And he was like, yeah. So then she
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: was like, well, I can't have this person around my child.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: That's like this uninvolved in like such an, and I
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, you know what? Believe, Believe them if
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: they say that.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Believe them. They're not going to change the way. No.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: I think people think like the grumpy dad, like my
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: dad was like, my brother brought home a dog.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: And he was like, I said we didn't want a dog.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Now what are we going to do?
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: The next thing we know, you know, we all fall
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: in love with it. And then it's like there's people
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: that do those videos, and it's always the grumpy dad.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: It's the grumpy dad, yeah.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: That the dog knows, like, oh, that's who I need
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: to win over. So then that's the one that they
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: make their primary human, and then the dad's obsessed. Okay,
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: grumpy dad, grumpy 50-year-old dad who ends up liking the
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: dog that the 7-year-old wants.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily going to work. With your human child.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: That's a hell of a roll of the dice.
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: And, like, yeah, if you are wrong, even if the
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: odds are 50-50, those are bad odds. And if you're wrong, yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: you're getting divorced. You are dealing with a man who
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: won't hand a bottle to the baby.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Or worse, to get back at you. Oh. To get
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: back at you, he will say, I want half custody. Oh, yeah.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: And I want you to pay these expenses.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: And now I decide that you can't have the baby
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: on Mother's Day because you got them last year.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Like, it's just so... Yeah, there's a lot of things to.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: Consider in this day and age that we are now
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: aware of that we can look at other women and
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: their examples. But I did have a friend who was
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: childless by choice. And once she got married, of course,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: all the questions were, you know how we can't see?
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: Because she was like, you know, in her early 30s.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: And she said to me, she goes, you know what, Heather,
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: you're the only person that was just like, cool.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Like, maybe because I have them. Like, maybe because I know.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, if it's not for you.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: And the other thing is, And I think, I think
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: I saw Jerry Seinfeld say this somewhere. He goes, I
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: think the greatest thing God did is like, there's no
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: way for you to see what you're missing if you
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: don't have them. Like, like, you know, if you choose
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: not to have them, not like you had a child
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: and you lost. I mean, just like you chose not
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: to have them. There's no way that you like. There's
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: no sliding doors moment where then you could jump to
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: another matrix or whatever and see, oh, this is what
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: your family, this is, we're going to give you 24
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: hours in a day in the life if you had
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: two kids eight years ago, what it would look like.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: There's no way of knowing. So you just are happy
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: with your life and you feel it how you choose.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: And I also want to say, I have been pushing
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: towards the movement and the joy that comes with, not
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: enough people talk about how great this.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Is, but I know a couple of people, which is,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Hot step grandma.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, hot step grandma.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Hot step grandma is the best of all the world.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Meaning you have your fun single life without getting married.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, whatever, mid-40s or so or later,
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: you meet a guy and he's divorced with grown kids.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: And you fall in love.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Ideal.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: And then those.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: Grown kids have their babies. And now you do get
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: to babysit and be.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Maternal and grandmothery and everything. And you, but you miss
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: the first step, which is the best because being grandparents
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: is better than being a parent. So like, it's the
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: best thing ever. If you can make that happen for you. you.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: I think so. I mean, there's so many broken marriages.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of single parents out there.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of chance to be hot step-grandma.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of chance.
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: But you got to be hot. This is the thing.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: You can't be dumpy step-grandma. You got to be hot
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: because the market's going to be popping for this.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Right. But it works out. It works out.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: I'm down for that.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Blake Lively. which I know people are tired of. I
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: don't even know where we are in it.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Who even?
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: It's like Amendment 75.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the latest happened, but I did
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: see this.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: TMZ said, Blake Lively shows up for work at a
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: Connecticut donut shop.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: It sounds like.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Times are tough.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: It sounds like maybe she's filming something and either this
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: was where they were filming or she did that cosplay
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: of being a minimum wage worker, which a lot of
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: stars like to do that.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: They do love to do that.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: What? This star made.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: Me a coffee and didn't know how to work the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: foam machine?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. How great. And then.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: And oh, and she was so sweet. And she took
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: a photo with all the staff and then left. And
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: then I had to still work for another seven and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: a half hours.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And she's not getting, you know, 80% of
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: her paycheck out in taxes. My friend actually took some footage.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: She was there and saw her.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: And she sent it to me. She's like, what was it?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Was it filming or was she doing just something fun
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: for PR?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: She didn't see any filming thing, but she was like
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: working and making donuts. But the picture, Blake is almost
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: like touching the ceiling. She's a giant. She's gigantic. I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: don't know if she had these huge shoes on, but
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I'm like, She looked like Godzilla storming the bakery, but
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: she looked very cute. Who knows what she was doing
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: back there? She's a big baker, so maybe she's just- Oh.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: That's right. She is a big baker.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: She's a great little baker.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Now, the other thing that's coming with people talking about
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: the weirdness of Blake and Ryan is when they did
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: the nice pool where he wore his long hair and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: he was clearly making fun of Justin Baldoni, he has
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: a lady pool who was played by Blake, which is
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: weird because- She was totally covered.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Like, why wouldn't you just get somebody else to do that?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: But there's a child pool. Child pool?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: There was a child in the scene that says to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: one of the other characters, either the nice pool or
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: the other one, and the child says in the movie,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: why don't you get Wolverine's dick out of your mouth
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: long enough to tell me this or do this?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: To nice pool? Nice pool?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: To a nice pool or one of the other pools.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: I don't even know. To a guy. Okay.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: But he's addressing a guy.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Justin's in the, not Justin, Ryan's in the scene.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: So people are like, wait a minute.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: And he, Ryan goes on to do a podcast or
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: whatever where he says, that was our child, our seven-year-old
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: daughter that was in the outfit covered.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Saying that line.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: And she didn't want to say that line until I said,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: I'm going to audition other kids. And then she wanted
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: the part. And what was crazy is she didn't even
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: want to say the line, but in order to get
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: it right, we had her do it over 70 times.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: That's going to come up in therapy probably freshman year
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: of college. Or freshman year of rehab. Like, that's going
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: to come up.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Again, like, okay. Okay.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: Also, this is a person who got in a slutty
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: outfit and did a sketch and flirted with Justin Bieber.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: So I understand that sometimes.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: When the art is happening, maybe nobody in the room
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: is like, why don't we just get a little person
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: to get in the outfit? We do another voice of somebody.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Or now they could probably just AI a kid's voice.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: They could AI it.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: But at the time, they didn't.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: And he wanted his family on set. And his whole weird,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: snarky comedy thing. that isn't now, no one's thinking it's funny,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: but people did think it was funny before this, is like,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: I hate.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: My family, I hate my wife kind of humor.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: Just like the girls that are trying to make Chaperone laugh,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: but don't really mean it. I hate my kids, I
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: hate my, and she thinks they really hate them when
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: they don't. So that's kind of interesting.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: So that all came up this week as well.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: It's just so unsavory. Like again, Blake and Ryan cannot
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: lambast Justin Baldoni for like trauma onset and hostile environment
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: when they're telling a seven-year-old to say, hey, take a
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: dick out of your mouth. Like, either you are beyond
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: reproach morally in this category or you're right down in
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: the mud and it's all just comedy and it's all
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: just art. But you can't cherry pick what's offensive when
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: the things you're doing are that bizarre. Like, that's just bizarre.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Anything you're accusing Justin Baldoni of, it's like, what was it? Like,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: what even was it? It's such a nothing burger when
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: they're this sticky and stinky with their own weird behavior.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: It's just such bad optics.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we'll see what happens next. Speaking of Wolverine,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: he is, you know, divorcing his wife. What the hell
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: is his name? What can I think of his name
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Hugh Jackman?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: Hugh Jackman is divorcing his wife, who he had for
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: 27 years or something.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: He's with the other actress.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Sutton Foster.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Sutton Foster from Younger, who's also a Broadway person. They
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: did Broadway stuff together, so they're a red carpet match.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: According to Daily Mail, bitter new twist in the Hugh
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Jackman's divorce battle.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Well, now he's worth a lot of money.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: And apparently they're saying she wants more than half of it. Well,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: they've been together enough time that she would get half,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: but I guess she wants more. And that it was
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: going to be all amicable and everything. But once someone
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: now is parading, they're much younger, more famous, and they're
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: in love and they're happy in their love. Sometimes the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: amicable divorce does not remain amicable.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Especially since Sutton and Hugh, like you said, they knew
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: each other from Broadway. So it's like suddenly you're putting
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: pieces together, those late night text messages, those press junkets.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: It all takes on a different shape.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: It wasn't going on much longer.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: Right, right. And then, of course, there's the rumors that
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: there's something with Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman. It's like,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: is Wolverine's dick someplace it's not supposed to be?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: You know what? If that is the case, if there
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: is any sort of messiness in his closet.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Whose closet? Hugh's. Okay. Like you just, just, well, it
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: was always, there's always.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: Rumors because he was a Broadway song and dance man.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: And I've had a wife that was his age or
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: older for so long. There was always rumors that, that
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: he was maybe not a hundred percent straight lavender marriage. And,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: and for, you know, a lot of people don't know
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: the term lavender marriage and a lavender marriage was when
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: two people back in the day when you couldn't be
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: happily gay out there, they would get married. So a
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: woman who was a lesbian, a gay man, and they
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: would go and have a lovely friendship life, have kids.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: And I'm seeing all this stuff about lavender marriage now,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: like on TikTok and stuff, of people who said, my
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: aunt and uncle were in a lavender marriage. I was
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: part of a lavender marriage. We didn't realize. And then
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: later on we did, and they died being great friends.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: And then there's this new movement of younger people being like,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: We would like to bring back lavender marriage. Like gay
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: guys being like, I actually don't want to marry a guy.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Guys suck.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: I'm gay and I would much rather marry a woman
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: who's down to have a gay husband. And then women
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: are like, I'd like to marry my gay best friend.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're all like joking, but it's just kind
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: of an interesting thing. So people thought that, right? But
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: now that he's with this other girl.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I personally don't.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: I just think he was a guy who was a
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: song and dance man. And this was his real wife
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: and everything. And he is in love with this real person.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: And I don't think there's anything up with Ryan and him.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that. And the rumors about Ryan too.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think so either. But, you know, people always
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: question that.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: That's always going to be a question.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: I think there's, you know, there's gay and straight and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: then there's just narcissist where it's like they'll just take
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: anyone who's given them some attention.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I think Lindsay Lohan.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Could fall into that category. Like, how gay was she
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: dating Samantha Ronson? She was just, I think.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: DJ Samantha Ronson. DJ Samantha Ronson. Yes. Remember?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: And she was like.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I remember those dates.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Coming out of her house.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Yes. Crazy.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: Speaking of which, working on Star, like, how would you get.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: now that you're gone, like how do those, some of
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: those more salacious photos that really broke a story that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: were not, you know, Kyle Richards calling the paps.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: To show her, you know, whatever, what, how does that happen?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: People are calling the paps.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: No, but even in the, no, the salacious ones where you,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: where a story broke, they did not want the world
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: to know they were having an affair or whatever.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: It's the sources. We would have a lot of hairdressers.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: We talked to our hairdressers. Like there are therapists. There
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: is no HIPAA girl. Like they will sing like a bird.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: A lot of step siblings, like people who are like
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: in the family, but not blood related. So there's this jealousy.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: We saw tons of step parents, step siblings, step kids.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Telling it all.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Telling it all.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: So if you're a celebrity and you have step people
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: in your orbit, don't trust them.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Um, Oh, Watch out for that step-hot grandma.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Don't trust step-hot grandma.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Who knows what she's up to? Who's she on the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: phone with?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: On her jitterbug phone.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: We would get a lot. I mean, people are pretty
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: willing to tattle. They're pretty willing to tattle.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: And what would they get paid?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Like $ 200, $ 100? You'd think, isn't that crazy?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: I'm going to retire selling this story about Britney Spears.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: You are maybe going to go to Arby's and, like,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: blow it out. Like, that's about all you're going to do.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: But they were, like, grateful for it.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: Because a lot of these people, they were just kind
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: of like middle people who are not really going to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: set the world on fire. But their celebrity that they
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: knew was like the one who got away, the one
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: who got out of the small town. And they've got
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: all the dirt from before they had their nose job
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: and before you know, they got knocked up in high school.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: What do you think about Meghan Markle's stepsister that, you know,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: was so bitter and talked a lot? Though I haven't
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: heard anything from her since her latest thing with the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: TV show. Maybe she finally got tired and realized.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: I've squeezed everything I can out of this financially and whatnot.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: Samantha Markle. You have a Meghan Markle story.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Tell me about that. Meghan Markle has stories
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: about me. Meghan Markle has theories that I am the
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: leader of a cabal. She's a cabal leader, guys. Orchestrating
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: millions of middle-aged housewives. Excuse me. I'm neither. To sustain
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: an online campaign of hate towards Meghan and She put
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: this in her Netflix documentary.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: So the Netflix documentary that we all saw that was
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: a huge hit, there's a part in it where, does
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: she say your name or they show you?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: They show me and like three other girls.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Influencers or not influencers, a YouTuber or reporters or what?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: The other two were actual reporters and journalists, you know?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: So that's, to impugn the reputation of a journalist is
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: very different than coming after a YouTuber. I'm an ex-journalist,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: but like, you know, these people are like, journalists. That's
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: a very risky bear to poke, in my opinion. I
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: don't find that ethical at all. I think it's ridiculous. Yeah,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: and Megan's assertion through this guy, Chris Boozy, who's been
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: sued half a dozen times for making similarly defamatory and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: ridiculous statements, claims that all of us who've never met
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: are in cahoots to organize hate against Megan. There's not
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: one tweet. There's not one DM.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Like, what?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: Where are we doing all of this? Social networks, show us.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Show us one place we've done this.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: You were just doing what I do and everybody else does.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: Kind of commenting on what is out there, what people
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: are saying or what we think might be the case.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Megan, you're a public figure. You put
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: yourself into this sort of character list that people are
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: then going to write narratives about. If you don't like it,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: go work at H & R Block. No one fucking cares.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: You sought this out. You wore Princess Diana's perfume on
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: your first date with this man. You sought this limelight.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: So that is true. I saw that. Do you know
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: what kind of perfume it is? I don't.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: I want to think it's something horrible like Malibu Musk.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: I just want to think it's something tacky.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: I saw that somebody figured it out, but I don't
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: know what it was. But that's the story. But how
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: do we know that's a true story?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, to me, it is in
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: the line of reasonableness given her other machinations towards Harry,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: isolating him. Just everything. Everything she does is so calculating,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: and yet she is so incredibly bad at being so calculating. Like,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: it seems like the only person she's actually managed to
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: bamboozle is Prince Harry. And everyone else is like, the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: fuck is this? Like, it's all just so incredibly transparent
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: and odious. I'm all for being bamboozled by a sneaky celebrity.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Just be better at it. That's all I ask. Read
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: The Art of War. Read it like once. Listen to
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: some podcasts.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: But, okay, so what do you think? See, this is
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: what I think is going on with her. Some people
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: think I'm too mean about her either, too. I was
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: like a fan of hers in the beginning.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: I thought it was great.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: I didn't understand why people were mad. I love that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: she was like a Southern California girl. I think it's
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: fine that she has.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Her Netflix show. You can watch it. You can not.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: She has her next podcast. Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: You can watch it or not. You can buy the jam.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: You don't have to buy the jam. You can make
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: the fruit rainbow thing. You can, whatever it is. I
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: think at this point as a woman, I'm not out
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: to like, tear her down because she essentially is the breadwinner.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Very true.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: How is he going to make any money at this point?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: But she did that. I know, but he's not part
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: of the family.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know how they would ever parlay it back
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: where he would be able to gain a salary from it.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: I know he has inheritance from his mom, but as
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: far as like you know, he's not a TV producer.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: He's not a writer. He's not a businessman. No, he's
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: not a writer.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, is he going to buy a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of like Noah's bagels and run it? Could he
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: buy a franchise? I don't know like what he could do.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think, I think like our interest in them is,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: is waning. And she's really like, she's the one that
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: has to bring it home. And she has this deal.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: They were able to get this deal. So of course
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: she does the, an easy deal of like, let me
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: just go down the street and make some cute, spaghetti,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: and then talk to some, you know, the owner of
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: Spanx about being a founder, like everybody else has done.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: And I have 12 producers working on it that put
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: it together. It's an easy job. It's easier to do
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: that than be a teacher, be a nurse, be, or
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: even be a legit actress that has to learn 12
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: pages of lines in an hour. So that's what I think.
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  Speaker 4: And I also think think about all the women that
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: might be accused of taking the son away from the family.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: Like you moved away or whatever.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: And now we don't, we're, we're the paternal grandparents. We
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: don't see our grandkids the way we'd like. Like that's,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: that's a thing too. So it's like, I do get
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: why she feels, but going back to what happened at the,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: in the Royal family and what stories were put out
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: about her being mean to A housekeeper or assistant? That,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not, I don't really, I didn't follow
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: all that. But did you go deep on that?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was at Star at the time. And priorly,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: you know, we'd always written about the royals. They're a
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: huge seller. And they were a very tight ship. The
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: House of Windsor was a tight ship. There was no sources.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: There was no nothing. When Megan got in there, leaky AF.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: People were singing like a bird because she sucked. And
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: the accounts we were getting, people were like, we are
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: risking our job, our family's legacy. The people who work
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: in service at that level, it is truly a calling.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: They're very proud of it. It's not just a job
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: they take lightly. They're going to work in service for
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: a lifetime. They're going to pass that down. And so
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: for them to... risk that to share how awful this
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: woman is.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: And how was she awful? Give me some examples.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Yelling, ungrateful, rude. She came in there and it was
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: this like, I'm a disruptor. This is not the place
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: you disrupt. And to your point, I absolutely get it
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: where it's like, yeah, so many mother-in-laws are like, you're
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: taking our son from us. This to me is why
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: I hate Harry. He should have been less of a wuss.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: He should have been out in front. If that's the case,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: if his family is that toxic that he needed to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: break away from them, he should have been like, This
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: is my decision. He should have been on the tip
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: of that spear telling everyone.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like he did a little bit in the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Oprah interview.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: But he should have done it more. And let me say,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: if we flip the genders on this, and if you
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: had a man isolating a woman from a big, stable family,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: and then turning and being like, you can't work, but
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: I'm the reason you can't work because I took you
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: from this family, and you are subservient to me, so
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: you're going to do things my way. We would see
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: that so clearly as an abusive dynamic. That would not
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: be like, well, you know, she has to stay home.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: She has to stay home because he's created that situation.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: And not by an accident. It seems very advantageous that, yeah,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: she's the breadwinner. Yeah, she's making all the decisions. That
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: is part and parcel of her personality, which seems to be,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: as we're seeing, pretty hungry for power and influence. And, hey,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: you can't knock the hustle. But don't then turn around
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: and say you're the victim. Just be like, yeah, I'm
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: fucking power hungry. Like, go for it. Kanye it out.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: Don't be the victim.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: Or I think also the stuff that you chose to do,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: you know, a very easy show of having people come
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: over and make a meal and then a very easy
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: interview show. You see people doing it, you know.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Like I haven't, I haven't saw like, yeah.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: I can't pull it off. Right. Easiest thing.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: She can't pull off.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: But I see why people do what, I do.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: And what you do, I see why people go, I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: see why big stars go. I mean, I just saw
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: a clip of Amy Poehler say, um, I'm giving 25%
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: on this podcast and I'm doing it because I was
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: sick of seeing all the guys do so well with it.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: She's probably looking at the smart list guys going really
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: $ 60 million. Why am I not doing a pile?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: I'll do a podcast. It looks easy. Who's this girl?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: Heather McDonald's had it for 10 years. Why does anyone
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: care what she's not never been on SNL? She's not
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: a movie star. Why should she be successful? And again,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: she has every right to go jump in.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: Just like someone who's got 12 people listening can have
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: a podcast, too.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: Like, I get it. But, yeah. Yeah, that's.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: Well, that just goes to show, like, people who are professionals,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: it's not because it's easy. It's because they make it
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: look easy. And I don't think Meghan takes that into account. Like,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: being a royal, even. isn't easy. They make it look easy.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: Keeping the stiff upper lip, not reacting, not saying things.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: It's the hardest thing in the world.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Doing boring shit. Doing boring shit. Being in the fog.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: With the ribbon cuttings and the community centers and the
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: macaroni portraits that kids are giving you.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Ugh. Kill me.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: But she signed up for that.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: I predicted that she would have a talk show, which
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: essentially a podcast is a talk show.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: She's too narcissistic.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: Because I was like, she'll do something easy like that,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: but she'll want to be back in the limelight. But
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: that's what I thought she would stay in London and
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: do something like that in London. That would be like,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: she would be the Oprah of London.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: No, she's too big for her britches.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: She has to be the Oprah of the world.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: But then in her defense, she would say, I would
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: have loved to have done that. But right from the start,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: the world was ready to compare me to Kate and
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: come after me.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: You signed up for this?
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: Again, go work at H & R Block.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Go work at a car wash.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Like, no one's comparing those people to Kate Middleton.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: But do you think, but right from the start though,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: what did she do wrong? Not, courtesy right like I
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: mean in the start she was the wedding was nice
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: she yes she didn't and you know she didn't have
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: her she got mad at her dad for selling the photos.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: So, you know, yes, she'd had him come.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: They, maybe, but at the same time, like, she was
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: being respectful of the royal. She had the king walk
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: her down the aisle, like, I am just like playing
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: devil's advocate.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: No, I get it.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: Some people say I'm too, you know, I'm too against her. I,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: How do you.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: I think the only way to do it is if
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: you were like Princess Monica of Monaco.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just not in.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: The public at all.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: You give up, yeah, you give up all and you
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: please everybody at a meal and you take photos and
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: you look gorgeous until.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: But that's a job description. Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: That's the job.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Right. But then.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: But in 20 whatever she got married, did she really
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: was she expected? Did anyone say if you marry Harry,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: you can't have your own career and do your own thing?
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, that is very much part of the agreement. Like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: they can't even accept free gifts. Like if you're Chanel,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: you can't send anything to Kate Middleton. She has to
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: send it back. I know that like Megan would have
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: known that. And we had heard that like she wasn't
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: taking the history classes seriously. And she went in there
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: with this. And this is just what we heard and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: what we reported on, that she wanted to go in
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: there with this attitude of like, I'm going to disrupt things.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: There are some things that don't need to be disrupted.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: And if you look at even Silicon Valley and the
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: founders are like, we're going to shake up the Adam
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: Neumann WeWork thing. Not everything needs to be disrupted. You
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: don't need to disrupt the way people buy groceries. You
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: don't need to disrupt gas stations. You don't need to
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: disrupt a royal family. People go there for the tradition
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: of it. That's what we like about it. The consistency,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: the history. if you're going to pull on a thread
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: and disrupt something, pick something else. And the fact that
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: there is no one massive thing that she did, she
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: didn't like barf in St. Patrick's Cathedral, just goes to
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: show how gradual and organic it was that people stopped
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: liking her. And we all know this girl. There's a
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Megan in every one of our friendship groups. It's like,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: why do you have to act like this at brunch, Kristen?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: But they can't help themselves. And it's just like. It's
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: so funny that you call me.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: I want to like her. That you call me. What
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: did she say? It's so funny that you call me
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Meghan Markle when it's. It's Meghan Sussex.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: Sussex is a title. I actually have a title. I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: outrank Meghan. And I don't think my title is my
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: last name.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: That's the attitude that was coming, you think.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: She can't even get her brags right. She can't even
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: get her. her snippy bitchy flexes factually correct. Like, do
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: you need a notebook to write down your insults, Megan?
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Because they're not landing. They don't make any sense, girl.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. It's like, no, nothing's funny. No, she's
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: not funny. I don't think she's a funny person.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: She's too self-involved to be funny. Like, to be funny,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: you know, you have to be able to make fun
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: of yourself. And she is not that bitch. She ain't
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: the girl who's going to make fun of her. She's
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: not telling a joke at her own expense.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: No. Well, I thoroughly enjoyed you coming. I have your info.
• 1:21:49
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• 1:21:51
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• 1:21:53
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• 1:21:54
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• 1:21:57
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• 1:21:59
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• 1:22:05
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• 1:22:07
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• 1:22:11
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• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: We got to just like also just chat.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: We don't always have to do stuff on.
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  Speaker 3: But I love it.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:22:18
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• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. We can take photos. We can stand up.
• 1:22:24
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• 1:22:28
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• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: No, just kidding. And so much more. Thank you.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 7: They think you're done for the day. But they don't
• 1:22:56
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