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CARBON BLACK's Ten-Year Journey: A Groove Metal Revival With JON HURLEY · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: My name's John Hurley.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the lead vocalist in Carbon Black, where a woongong
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  Speaker 2: groove metal to put a basically yeah groove metal band.
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  Speaker 2: We've been going for a little over ten years now,
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  Speaker 2: which is just it's funny to look back at like
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  Speaker 2: when we started and how we started and think of
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  Speaker 2: all the things that we've done up until this point.
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  Speaker 1: But we're recently releasing our brand new.
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  Speaker 2: Brand new, our revisited and revitalized EP, Principium, with new
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  Speaker 2: ideas and the stable band lineup that we've had for
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  Speaker 2: a very long time now. Steve Giles came in on
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  Speaker 2: drums I think about six years ago, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: me and Rob Giles obviously on bass, and Damon Bishop
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  Speaker 2: and guitar.
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  Speaker 1: Like, we've been, yeah, a stable four piece.
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  Speaker 2: For about six years now, and it was it was
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  Speaker 2: a long time coming to find a stable drummer because
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  Speaker 2: it's going off on one.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it took it took us a while like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons the reason why I bring
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  Speaker 2: it up, it's one of the reasons why we've really
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  Speaker 2: wanted to redo the Principium stuff is because you know,
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  Speaker 2: Steve has added his personality to the songs that we
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  Speaker 2: rush in the beginning, if you know what I mean, Like, yeah, anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I won't go off on another one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fabulous. You've answered a lot of my questions already,
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  Speaker 3: thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well there was there was one more thing that
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  Speaker 2: I'll just add to that real quickly. Yeah, we when
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  Speaker 2: we started this project as Carbon Black, Rob who was
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  Speaker 2: who was you know, our manager and he's the man
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  Speaker 2: behind the plan so to speak. He already had gigs
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  Speaker 2: books for us, Like we already had shows before we
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  Speaker 2: had songs. So we needed songs, so we needed songs
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  Speaker 2: that we needed songs yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I say rushed.
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  Speaker 2: We literally went down to Damo's base basement with our
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  Speaker 2: original drama yeah at the beginning, and we like knocked
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  Speaker 2: out you know, forty forty minutes or something like that
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  Speaker 2: of material in a matter of weeks, and that's what
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  Speaker 2: became the PRINCIPI Original release, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Like we can some of the tracks that just weren't
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  Speaker 2: that great, you know, and but yeah, yeah, so that's
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  Speaker 2: and we weren't really you know, we didn't really work
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  Speaker 2: on the songs or anything like that, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was much like a lot of those chorus, verst chorus,
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  Speaker 2: bridge verse, chorus, pyper deal, you know, not not much
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  Speaker 2: to them, simple simple stuff but catchy and they got
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  Speaker 2: good choruses and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're still very proud of the songs.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a few reasons to revisit these songs,
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  Speaker 2: make them a little bit bigger, a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: in depth, you know, a little bit better basically. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's really why we wanted to revisit them and
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  Speaker 2: re release them as this new thing and to obviously
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  Speaker 2: the celebrated ten years.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus I believe it. How does it feel to know
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  Speaker 3: that you've been doing this for ten years and you
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  Speaker 3: guys have actually garnered quite huge success, like playing, like
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  Speaker 3: managing to collaborate alongside is it tim Owens from Judas Priest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, like it's it's actually
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  Speaker 2: quite humbling is a good word for some of the time,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's almost it's also sorry, it's also you know,
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  Speaker 2: we do genuinely feel really lucky. You know, we've worked
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  Speaker 2: really hard. You know, there's I mean, you can't go
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  Speaker 2: two ways about it. We've worked really hard on our songs,
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  Speaker 2: our stage presence, like our stage presentation as well, just
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  Speaker 2: like try to because the landscape, especially in heavy music,
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  Speaker 2: well in any music really it's it changes months to month,
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  Speaker 2: week to week, day to day, almost out hours sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: you know what i mean.
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  Speaker 1: Once one second.
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  Speaker 2: Year, you know, writing a way for popularity, in the
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  Speaker 2: next second, no one even remembers your name, and that's
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  Speaker 2: a bad thing. But yes, we've had a lot of
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  Speaker 2: phenomenal experiences, phenomenal opportunities, you know.
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  Speaker 1: The work.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's doing the song with Ripper was was
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  Speaker 2: an interesting during.
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  Speaker 1: The pandemic or around that area.
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  Speaker 2: We're organizing the the final touches to our second full length,
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  Speaker 2: We've remain and we wanted to give a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of spice basically like maybe grab a headline here or
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  Speaker 2: something like that, and we're like, oh, how on earth
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  Speaker 2: are we going to do that, you know, because it's
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  Speaker 2: it's very difficult to make any type of you know,
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  Speaker 2: swell if you will, especially from like we you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're a local band from Albiam Parking all you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's rough.
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  Speaker 2: There's thousands of thousands and thousands of bands all out
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  Speaker 2: there that that all have a passion for their music
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  Speaker 2: and and you know all that stuff. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to try to make a little splash, a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more than we usually do, and all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, this this thing came up and Rob jumped
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  Speaker 2: on it. It was Tim Owens was offering guest vocals
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  Speaker 2: on on basically anything, you know, and it was difficult
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  Speaker 2: for It was difficult for a lot of people, especially
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  Speaker 2: musicians during the pandemic, because all of a sudden there
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  Speaker 2: was nothing, you know, especially if you're on certain levels
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  Speaker 2: where you know you're not making any money from streaming.
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  Speaker 1: You know you're not.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have any songs that are over a thousand
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  Speaker 2: streams on Spotify or Apple Music or whatever on YouTube,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and obviously no one's buying, well not no one,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, we all know how the album market
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  Speaker 2: is at at it sage for the past decade, so
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's very difficult for musicians, especially life life
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  Speaker 2: is like Tim Owens to make any type of revenue.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously he was he was really open to any work, really,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, to come his way.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's how it seemed. Whether I'm right or wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but that's how it seemed.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe board sitting at home because we're locked inside
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  Speaker 2: for two months, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, so yeah, Rob was like, oh, what do you
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  Speaker 1: guys think of this? And you know, I was like.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's one hell of a one hell of
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  Speaker 2: a headline and hopefully it grabs some attention. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously he's a phenomenal singer, and it's it's maybe I
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't say, but it was funny because they as necrificed
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  Speaker 2: way back before I mean obviously before Carbon Black was
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  Speaker 2: even cut like a thing. They played with Tim Owens
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  Speaker 2: at a show as his I think it was as
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  Speaker 2: his backing band or as his support band at the
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  Speaker 2: Cabbage Tree, which is a local venue in Wollongong. And
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, it's like it was, it was I was,
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  Speaker 2: and I just happened to be at that show as well,
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  Speaker 2: like I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was a punter at the time, hanging with my
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  Speaker 1: other obviously, and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were the backing band and they were hoping
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  Speaker 2: to go that they didn't that he didn't remember them,
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  Speaker 2: because apparently apparently that wasn't it wasn't the nicest scenario
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  Speaker 2: to be in. I mean, to be honest that the
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  Speaker 2: man used to headline whack and festivals with you this
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  Speaker 2: priest and like have the tens of thousands of people
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  Speaker 2: in front of him as a vocalist and this was
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  Speaker 2: it not a dive bar, but it definitely didn't have
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  Speaker 2: more than a hundred people in the room, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and in Wullongong, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So take that as you will.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, So yeah, we jumped on the opportunity and what
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  Speaker 2: like you know, and he was he was phenomenal. It
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  Speaker 2: really like obviously ultra professional send us sends us I
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  Speaker 2: think three different full length takes that we could pick
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  Speaker 2: and choose from and and yeah, what what we ended
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  Speaker 2: up doing was what what we have in the final product,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because the song was already written.
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  Speaker 1: That was the things song was already written.
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  Speaker 2: I had already done the main lead vocal line and
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  Speaker 2: the harmonies and all the bits and pieces with Lachlin
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  Speaker 2: in the studio. And that's like we were tossing attorney
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  Speaker 2: on which song the sand and should we do this,
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  Speaker 2: we do that, but under Order ended up being the
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  Speaker 2: one we went with and the one we made the
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  Speaker 2: video for, mainly because it was the more melodic, the
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  Speaker 2: more power metal if you will, out of the songs.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, I thought there was a lot of
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  Speaker 2: different things there that he especially since he's got quite
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  Speaker 2: an extensive range and knowledge of the harmonizations and all
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  Speaker 2: the pieces, you know. Yeah, so he could really sink
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  Speaker 2: his teeth into that track, and yeah, he really did.
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  Speaker 2: He came back with some phenomenal stuff, especially like you
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  Speaker 2: know that that ridiculous falsetto note that he holds over
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  Speaker 2: the end like little stands a back there.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that was great.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he really fits the trait. It's like Taylor
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  Speaker 3: made like you guys, tailor made it for him almost
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  Speaker 3: and yourself as well obviously as a band, and it
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  Speaker 3: just goes together so nicely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it worked out really really well. It
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  Speaker 1: really really does.
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  Speaker 2: And I kept on stuffing myself up by trying to
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  Speaker 2: imitate the way he does the song so I could
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  Speaker 2: swap between myself and here because obviously when we perform
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  Speaker 2: at live, I'm like, you know, he's not going to
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  Speaker 2: be a special guest appearance on a local allongong stage,
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  Speaker 2: is he.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that'd be interesting, but I don't know whether
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  Speaker 1: we're going to pull that one off. Every one day.
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  Speaker 1: But if we ever get.
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  Speaker 2: To tour the European scene and he's in the same
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  Speaker 2: city and he actually remember.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's awesome. You guys will also be releasing
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  Speaker 3: a limited amount of CDs for the princip him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I can't say that word very well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rob loves his words.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, how can we get our hands on that?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, probably through to be honest, I'm not one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent sure, but it's usually through band camp. We always
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  Speaker 2: have hard copies that shows we perform at We have
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  Speaker 2: hard copies of all the stuff, and yeah, so definitely
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  Speaker 2: through band camp would be the best way. That's that's
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  Speaker 2: how I mean. We've always got merch bundles. When it
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  Speaker 2: comes to any release that we do, we do specialized
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  Speaker 2: merch for each and every single, either single or or
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  Speaker 2: you know, full length release or EP release or anything
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  Speaker 2: like that. I mean, the the amazing thing about having
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  Speaker 2: Demo is not only a great guitarist, but he's a
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  Speaker 2: screen preer as well so and he's been doing it forever,
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  Speaker 2: so he just comes up to these ideas for merch
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  Speaker 2: and like you know, and he's got all the past
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  Speaker 2: for like beanies and hats and coasters and what whatever
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  Speaker 2: you want whatever. That's why when we brock up to
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  Speaker 2: a venue, we have a suitcase full. It's like a
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  Speaker 2: dozen different designs of T shirts and we yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: even aties like for God's say, they went, they went
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  Speaker 2: really quickly.
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  Speaker 3: What can fans expect from your upcoming tour? Will we
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  Speaker 3: hear a range of songs from your earlier stuff or
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  Speaker 3: is it just going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely yeah, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: So we're planning on performing the EP and full as
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  Speaker 2: we used to back in the old days, as well
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  Speaker 2: as a sprinkle of you know, the new stuff as well,
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  Speaker 2: like we we want to do at least one like
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  Speaker 2: if we have the time obviously, like you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: we only do half an hour set, sometimes we do
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  Speaker 2: forty five.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes we do it our whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And we want to do the EP and full as
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  Speaker 2: we used to do back in the old days, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as the celebration thing, throwing at least one song from
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  Speaker 2: each full length after it, whether it be you know, like.
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  Speaker 1: We did it. We recently didn't show las in.
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  Speaker 2: And you know that was we that was the first
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  Speaker 2: time we performed the EP and full as the new stuff,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's not the old versus of the songs, the
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  Speaker 2: visited versions of those songs in full in a line.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it must be at least seven years, so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's interesting. It was very interesting
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  Speaker 2: to revisit those songs, and it's honestly very surprising and
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  Speaker 2: how embedded in the memory because we did it over
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  Speaker 2: and I mean over and over and over, because those
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  Speaker 2: are the only songs that we knew. We played them
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  Speaker 2: a lot, and it was just funny. It was like
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  Speaker 2: you know, slipping back into a comfy pair of shoes again. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Oh man, Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was quite interesting, like and sometimes you flick back
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  Speaker 2: because some of the lyrics are a little bit different,
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  Speaker 2: some of the arrangements are a little bit different, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some of the you know, for the new versions are
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  Speaker 2: just the time a little bit different. And yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: you keep on doing the old way because that's what
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  Speaker 2: you used to Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Funny as Okay, just a few rough questions to wrap
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  Speaker 3: it up. What does carbon life mean to you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Hell, that's a small question.
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  Speaker 2: Nah right. I mean, to be honest, it's funny. I
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  Speaker 2: keep on saying, to be honest that it's funny because
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  Speaker 2: it really is. And because every now and again, especially
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  Speaker 2: with the faces that we've come and gone that like
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  Speaker 2: you know, because we've taught this. We haven't gone Western Australi,
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  Speaker 2: which would be interesting in Northern terraor to it.
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  Speaker 1: But like you know, we've been to Queensland, we've been
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  Speaker 1: to Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, we've done the whole Sydney soon, we've done the
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  Speaker 2: whole scene, you know, regional areas of New South Wales.
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  Speaker 2: And the amount of bands that we're genuinely talented, you know,
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  Speaker 2: had really great musicians, really great songs that just disappear
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  Speaker 2: never like that maybe they play you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's a big country and sometimes like I mean, hell,
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  Speaker 2: we we played like for instance, there's that I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know whether you know, but you probably do.
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  Speaker 1: There's a band called King Parrot that going that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, obviously I was just making sure, yeah exactly,
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  Speaker 2: but we and we played with them in horrible eight
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  Speaker 2: years ago and they were already making yeah yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: they were already making ways back then, like with their
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  Speaker 2: videos and their stage performance and like you know, people
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  Speaker 2: back then even like loved King Parrot and they obviously
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  Speaker 2: bit you know, took the ball by the horn, so
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  Speaker 2: to speak, and you know, went over to the States,
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  Speaker 2: made some great networking, obviously, getting on the rope with
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  Speaker 2: Philancelmo and you know, all these things, and now they're
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  Speaker 2: playing not Fest this year, this next year, next year.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so I think, yeah, and I think they
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  Speaker 2: support a panther. I'm not one hundred percent sure, but
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  Speaker 2: like so there's that, there's there's those bands, but that's
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  Speaker 2: one in I don't know, like at thousands that we've
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  Speaker 2: we've played with. So getting back to the question of
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  Speaker 2: what Carbon Black means to me anyway, is the fact
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  Speaker 2: that we've been able to make it through through the
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  Speaker 2: hard times, the rough like some sometimes we're literally sitting
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  Speaker 2: on our hands for I felt like two years through
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  Speaker 2: drummer problems and you know, I mean not even lineup changes,
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  Speaker 2: because it's been me Robin Daimo for the whole stick.
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  Speaker 1: Even before then, I did a guess but you know,
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  Speaker 1: I went.
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  Speaker 2: In with Necrophics, Like I've performed a show at Canberra
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  Speaker 2: in the basement with Necrifice because that something happened with
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  Speaker 2: their vocalers and I just happen to be back in town.
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  Speaker 2: And anyway, it's kind of worked out that all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, I was the vocalist for Necrofice for for
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  Speaker 2: a Cup of Tea, and that's kind of where all
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  Speaker 2: this came from. So you know, it's I mean, it's been,
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  Speaker 2: it's been. It is still I say it's been, like
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  Speaker 2: it's finishing. It's not finishing. We're still we still have
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  Speaker 2: a passion to write new songs. We still have a
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  Speaker 2: passion to perform. You know, we always winge and moan
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  Speaker 2: about rehearsal and wind you moan about having to drive
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  Speaker 2: to Sydney and Windy. Ah, I just can't be blahah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, so tired from work.
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  Speaker 1: And all this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And every time, every time we stand on stage, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's a release. It's the best fun you can have.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's the best fun you can have.
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  Speaker 2: We've done some like we're like going back to the
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  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of bands to disappear, Like we've supported the.
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  Speaker 1: Cavaliera Conspiracy on there, No the Cavallera Brothers on.
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  Speaker 2: There that arise beneath a right when they did arise
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  Speaker 2: and beneath the remains in full, Like at the Metro.
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  Speaker 1: We supported that there to unpacked Metro.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen that many people in front of our band,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, it was it was absolutely incredible. The
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  Speaker 2: very first time we supported the international band was at
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  Speaker 2: the Metro. It was hell yeah, I got to meet
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  Speaker 2: Viny Paul before he before he.
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  Speaker 1: Passed like that. It was like I almost had a
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  Speaker 1: heart attack. The man was literally walking down the hallway.
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  Speaker 1: You know where the merch stands are at the Metro.
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  Speaker 1: You've probably been to the Metro, but it's just there and.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you know, it was like two ships of the
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  Speaker 2: night and I was just like, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Like, that's actually that guy.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, obviously it wasn't just him that the
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  Speaker 2: vocal because obviously the vocalist fro mud Vein was the
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  Speaker 2: vocalist from Hell.
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  Speaker 1: Yet so you know, we met.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're desperately trying to hold onto our professionalism
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: and not act like a fanboy. But anyway, so you
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: know that these these amazing experiences, like a lot of
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: drunken nights, that's for sure, a lot of long.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Row troops, a lot of music, a lot of head being,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Lessons in just how to take care of yourself, especially
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  Speaker 2: as a vocalist because like you know, I do the
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: screaming and the singing, and I always want to give
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: it one hundred and ten percent.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: To try to keep this intact is one of my
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: biggest challenges. I tell you, I was.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Going to do a lot of warm up before you
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: go on or does it come naturally to you? And
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: do you have a lot of rituals to keep your voice?
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, look, it has been I lost my voice for
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: a while, like I almost I wasn't sure whether because
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I had always.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Been the warm up guy. Yeah, you know, I went.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: To a vocal lessons before I even started singing singing.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I went to vocal lessons because I could. I wasn't bad,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: you know what. You know, I wasn't I could sing,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I could sing better than most people, but like I
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't I never thought of myself as a singer. So
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, my sister actually gifted me some
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: some vocal lessons and I was like, oh.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know, never really never really thought of it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I was always like too shy or you know, you
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: look up to these people like you know, you see
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: your head fields or you Bruce Dickinson's or your Corey
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: tailors and you're like, I could never do that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: You know, that's ridiculous.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: But yet, long story short, honestly, but it all of
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a sudden, I found a passion for it.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: It was the best thing I started doing.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I loved it so much, and and obviously I had
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: positive feedback from people, which made me want to do
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: it even more. Yeah, and then and then I was
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: doing musical musical theater, and I had a whilst doing
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: the band as well, and I had a few bad
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: habits at the time that weren't helping. I wasn't taking
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: as good a care of myself or my voice as
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I should have been. But plus I didn't have the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: technique that I needed and that I have now to
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: really maintain the guttural growls and the cleans as well.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: And but yeah, but I've always been the warm up guy.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I've always been like doing the exercises for hours at
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: a time on my vocals, practicing, practicing, practicing, practicing, practicing.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: But I found when I when I had to, I
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: had to relearn and bless them make loud noise. Anita
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: hang On, I just want to give her a shout
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: out because she really really helped me and she's a
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: she's actually like a vocal specialist and a she specializes
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: in in you know, aggressive.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: So her school is called Make Loud Noise.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: No that'd be awesome to share because then it can
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: get other listeners, you know, thinking of going into what
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: you're doing.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: See, like some people, I can't find a last name
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: because I'm an asshole. But like it's Anita at Make
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Loud Noise. It's on Facebook and check it out because
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: she's in Queensland and she does zoom lessons and without her,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I I don't know what I would have done. Like
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: it was a few people leading up to her, there
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: was a lovely lady and Barry that was helping me through.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: We've just been cut off from John, but to wrap
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: it all up, it's been a pleasure speaking with John today.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: From Carbon Black, Calvin Black will will be releasing Principam
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: two point zero December sixth and you can catch their
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: tour kicking off in Wagga Wagga December seventh, and we're
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: glad to see that the band's adding some rural towns
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: to their tours as well. Coming from a rural town myself,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: it's awesome to see. We can't wait. Thank you guys
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: so much.