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Huddle Up | Bucky on Pro Day Vibes, Scouting Draft Prospects · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Fields
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  Speaker 1: Total Group. Jackuar Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst
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  Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and Senior reporter J. P.
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  Speaker 1: Shadwick bring you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now. Welcome in.
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  Speaker 3: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks is brought to you by
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  Speaker 3: luxury auto group. Go to Fieldsauto dot com. JP Shadwick,
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  Speaker 3: John Oser from the Hounday Studios, the Midller Electric Center.
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  Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks out in Los Angeles. It's been a couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks, Bucky.
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: What's up?
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  Speaker 4: I'm good, guys. What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: You know, kind of a little bit of a lull
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  Speaker 3: time around here, Bucky. Between free agency starting and then
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  Speaker 3: the off season programs coming up. It would be time
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  Speaker 3: for thirty visits. But that's been relatively quiet. So it's
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  Speaker 3: pro DA season for you. I've seen you all over
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  Speaker 3: the place, Buck, just a little.
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  Speaker 4: Bit, just a little pro day work.
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  Speaker 5: Cam Ward on Monday, got a chance to look at UH.
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  Speaker 5: I would say maybe the consensus QB one of the clocks,
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  Speaker 5: even though I may have a different opinion, and I
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  Speaker 5: will get a chance to look at uh shoulder. Sander's
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  Speaker 5: coming up in a week after spending some time.
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  Speaker 4: In whatever, Dallas, Texas at Big twelve product. So I've
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  Speaker 4: been all over the place. Buck.
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  Speaker 6: He's not buying cam Ward apparently not.
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  Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying that Sanders. I just have Sanders
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  Speaker 5: ranked over him. But it doesn't mean I can't like
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  Speaker 5: both of them. Doesn't mean it has to be contentious
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  Speaker 5: or debate. We're not how to take TV, you know
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  Speaker 5: what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: He bucks tight with you know, he was doing footsteps
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  Speaker 2: on TV the other.
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  Speaker 5: Day, trying to trying to help the next generation of
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  Speaker 5: dv's break properly.
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  Speaker 4: That's all the stuff. Yeah, that's all like, look look
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  Speaker 4: fun with that. That was That was fun. Coach Brime
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  Speaker 4: is always is always fun. Yeah, no, it it's been
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  Speaker 4: a bit.
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  Speaker 5: Of a whirlwind, had little mock draft come out, had
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  Speaker 5: all kinds of stuff, trying to you know, trying to
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  Speaker 5: stay relative, you know what I'm saying, Trying trying to
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  Speaker 5: stay active.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you certainly are. You're active. We know that. So
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  Speaker 2: all right, let's let's talk about this.
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  Speaker 3: The Miami Pro Day right earlier this week, cam Ward throwing.
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  Speaker 3: The Titans sent their entire leadership group down there. But
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  Speaker 3: there's still like these reports that.
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  Speaker 2: They may or may not be into it.
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  Speaker 3: He you know, cam Ward's you know, talking to those
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  Speaker 3: guys after making throws on the field. What's your read
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  Speaker 3: on that situation is it is that pick up for
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  Speaker 3: a trade?
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  Speaker 2: Like, what's the what's the situation right now? One?
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  Speaker 5: I think they're playing it out to the very end.
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  Speaker 5: If someone comes up and makes them offer, they can't refuse. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: they would consider it.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: I think you have to assume that they're going to
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  Speaker 5: take a quarterback. They need a quarterback as the biggest need.
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  Speaker 5: You can't play in this league without uh really without
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  Speaker 5: an elite QB one, you don't have a chance. Especially
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  Speaker 5: in the AFC. They have a chance to get a
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  Speaker 5: QB one. Look if they take Ward. He is spectacular
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  Speaker 5: in terms of his arm talent. He is kind of
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  Speaker 5: stout and sturdy in the pocket. He kind of reminds
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  Speaker 5: me a little bit of what they would have when
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  Speaker 5: they had Steve McNair. He's not quite the runner, but
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  Speaker 5: he's kind of like the rugged alpha dog leader that
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  Speaker 5: takes charge and kind of changes the franchise. He look,
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  Speaker 5: he has a lot of a building, and it would
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  Speaker 5: make for a very very competitive division to have another young,
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  Speaker 5: dynamic quarterback kind of step in.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, Bucky, I have a question for the NFL philosopher,
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  Speaker 6: which you are Wow. Well, and here's what I'm getting at.
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  Speaker 6: It doesn't seem like cam Ward is a guy that
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  Speaker 6: teams automatically love. There are quarterbacks who come out there
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  Speaker 6: are no brain or number one overall. If you're getting
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  Speaker 6: if you have the pick, you take him. Even if
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  Speaker 6: you've got a guy cam Woord. You know, while talent,
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  Speaker 6: it doesn't seem to be that here. The Titans are
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  Speaker 6: second year of the head coaches regime. You've been inside buildings.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not saying this is the case in Tennessee, but philosophically,
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  Speaker 6: I think the Jaguars went through it the Bortals year
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  Speaker 6: a little bit. You feel like, at some point you've
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  Speaker 6: got to take a quarterback, right. How tough is it
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  Speaker 6: when the franchise maybe doesn't know if it's the quarterback
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  Speaker 6: and you're just trying to take one because the timing
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  Speaker 6: is there, you get them getting am an that comes
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  Speaker 6: into it. You would hope it doesn't, but what happens
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  Speaker 6: when it does?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I think it's natural.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we're all humans, we're not robots, so those
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  Speaker 5: things seep in. We can talk about needs and best
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  Speaker 5: available all day, but if you're looking at your team
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  Speaker 5: and you know that you need a quarterback, it's hard
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  Speaker 5: to resist the temptation to take a quarterback that is there,
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  Speaker 5: that is rated at the top of the board. What's
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  Speaker 5: interesting about cam Ward is I would say that maybe
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  Speaker 5: his in your face personality would be an acquired taste
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  Speaker 5: for a leader and franchise in those things, And so
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  Speaker 5: you have to be very comfortable with someone who is
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  Speaker 5: very brash and look a lot of things that people
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  Speaker 5: may not like about Shooter Sanders. You can also say
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  Speaker 5: about cam Ward in terms of his leadership style.
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  Speaker 4: And those things.
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  Speaker 5: But what you can deny is the arm talent is real.
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  Speaker 5: You feel it when you see him what when you
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  Speaker 5: see him throw the ball around the yard in person.
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  Speaker 5: You also feel his kind of impact on the team
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  Speaker 5: whenever he plays, whether it's Incarnate Word, whether it's Washington State.
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  Speaker 5: And then finally at Miami, look, the team takes on
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  Speaker 5: a bit of his personality like it or.
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  Speaker 4: Not, but he's a really good player.
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  Speaker 5: He's really talented, and he's fearless and that would make
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  Speaker 5: him scary within the division.
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  Speaker 6: Is he Cam Newton?
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  Speaker 4: No, he's not Cam Newton because he's not a runner
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 6: He is a personality where he takes over that you know.
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  Speaker 5: Nah, No, Like I think I think Cam Newton is
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  Speaker 5: like different, But I would say, look, look, the best
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  Speaker 5: of Cam Newton was really really good when it came
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  Speaker 5: to kind of being the leader that took over and
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  Speaker 5: do it. I don't think he's as flamboyant as Cam
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  Speaker 5: Newton was, but I would say that the spark, the
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  Speaker 5: energy that he gives off, it definitely has some of
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  Speaker 5: those vibes. Like he went down to Miami in one year,
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  Speaker 5: like really took over as the leader demanded.
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  Speaker 4: A lot was.
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  Speaker 5: Very confrontational when it came to challenging players and bringing
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  Speaker 5: some of that out.
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  Speaker 4: And I would say that's not all bad.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of that is good because you would like
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  Speaker 5: your quarterback to ultimately be your leader, and when your
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  Speaker 5: quarterback is unafraid of confrontation, it makes everyone kind of
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  Speaker 5: raise their level to play.
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  Speaker 3: Up and kind of rise up to me, the standard
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  Speaker 3: another quarterback who doesn't lack for confidence is yours. So
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  Speaker 3: why do you have him ahead of cam Bard?
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  Speaker 5: If we're playing a game tomorrow, I think Shaduur Sanders
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  Speaker 5: is better prepared to play a game.
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  Speaker 4: Shaduur Sanders.
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  Speaker 5: When you look at I would say, not the pedigree,
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  Speaker 5: not just the pedigree or whatever, but watching what he
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  Speaker 5: did at Jackson State, then looking at the two years
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  Speaker 5: of Colorado, the fact that they are pro coaching from
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  Speaker 5: Pat Shermer, a former NFL head coach, former NFL offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 5: The concepts they utilize are the ones that we see
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  Speaker 5: on Sundays. There's gonna be I would say, an ease
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  Speaker 5: and transition in terms of dealing with the verbiage and
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  Speaker 5: the play calls and concepts in those things. The other
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  Speaker 5: thing that I would say is for Shudure, some of
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  Speaker 5: the flamboyants and some of the things that we see
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  Speaker 5: in front of the camera don't accurately reflect how he
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  Speaker 5: is off the camera, because off the camera he's pretty quiet.
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  Speaker 5: He's pretty to himself, but he is a bit of
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  Speaker 5: the pie piper in terms of how guys gravitate towards him.
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  Speaker 5: To me, the key with shaduur is does the head
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  Speaker 5: coach have enough security to be able to coach him
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  Speaker 5: hard and to be able to talk to him without
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  Speaker 5: worrying about all the other stuff that may come with
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  Speaker 5: him when it comes to the dad, the reputation and
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  Speaker 5: all of that other stuff.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard people say, though, Bucky and from people that
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  Speaker 6: I knew, who knew Dion, Dion was this way when
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  Speaker 6: he played too, that a lot of the shows just
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  Speaker 6: show and once you get once the cameras leave the
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  Speaker 6: locker room. They always said Dion was a great teammate.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, now I assume that Shador has a
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  Speaker 6: little bit of the same quality. I heard somebody take
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  Speaker 6: a couple of weeks back. You don't have to worry
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  Speaker 6: about the about the circus coming with this guy. That's overrated.
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  Speaker 6: But do you think teams are scared of that? And
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know the family obviously. Is that a topic?
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  Speaker 6: Is I mean or that a social media talking heads thing?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think there's there's something to that.
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  Speaker 5: I think it can It can scare you if you
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  Speaker 5: don't know him, And it depends on if they let
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  Speaker 5: you kind of inside the inner circle where you really
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  Speaker 5: see the real them. For me, my relationship with Dian
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  Speaker 5: goes all the way back to two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 5: having worked with him for a bunch of years at
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  Speaker 5: NFL Network and Talk and watching him talk about his
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  Speaker 5: youth football coaching days and his high school days and
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  Speaker 5: then making his way to college. So I kind of
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  Speaker 5: know him pretty well, so I get the real when
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  Speaker 5: it comes to him with his son, it was the
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  Speaker 5: first time that I've really had an extensive conversation with
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  Speaker 5: him and off.
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  Speaker 4: Air like he is very much like his dad in
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  Speaker 4: terms of like.
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  Speaker 5: Quiet, reserved, calculating, in terms of like processing and taking
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  Speaker 5: everything in. I think that maybe the thing that people
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  Speaker 5: miss about him is he does have a high football
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  Speaker 5: like you, he does understand the game at a high level,
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  Speaker 5: which would you would kind of expect because that's part
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  Speaker 5: of the reason why people like legacy and bloodlines when
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  Speaker 5: you're evaluating kids that look, football is the family business.
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  Speaker 5: So he has some of that. But I'll say this,
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  Speaker 5: like his arm talent and his athleticism is not what
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  Speaker 5: Kim Ward brings to the table, Like he doesn't bring
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  Speaker 5: that same level of excitement and spectacular throwing prowess. But
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  Speaker 5: what he is that Cam Ward isn't is. He's a touch,
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  Speaker 5: timing and anticipation thrower. The ball comes out well before
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  Speaker 5: wide receivers make their break, and that is more like
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  Speaker 5: the pro game. Cam Ward needs to see it, but
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  Speaker 5: because his arm is so spectacular, he can make up
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  Speaker 5: for it by seeing it late and just kind of
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  Speaker 5: throwing the fastball by everybody is just a difference.
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  Speaker 4: I think I wrote about you doing. I kind of
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  Speaker 4: liken them to Greg Maddox.
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  Speaker 5: He's not gonna overpower you with the fastball, but he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna paint the corners and you're gonna look up and
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  Speaker 5: he has a two hit, another win, and you can
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  Speaker 5: be like, wow, I can't believe we lost to a
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  Speaker 5: guy that just kind of like not Deacon Dunks, but
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  Speaker 5: plays a very control short to intermediate game and finds
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  Speaker 5: a way to continue to move the offense down the field.
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  Speaker 3: Eighty nine mile an hour, two seamer on the black,
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  Speaker 3: seventy six pitch, perfect game or a complete game. Jeez,
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  Speaker 3: that guy Bucky Brooks with us to tuddle up with
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  Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 2: What about this Big twelve Pro Day.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if any other conference is doing this
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  Speaker 3: where all the schools send their guys to one location
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  Speaker 3: for what four days?
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  Speaker 2: Were you there for all the days?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I was there. It just means a little more sometimes,
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  Speaker 4: you know. In the Big Twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really, I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like, I don't know why the SEC
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't have a pro day to let us see all
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  Speaker 5: the guys.
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  Speaker 4: But the Big Twelve decided that, like football is important,
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  Speaker 4: they wanted everyone.
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  Speaker 2: About time, even to see it about time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's uh.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's funny because they it is a great
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  Speaker 5: event because you got a chance to see everybody right there.
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  Speaker 4: It's like having a mini combine.
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  Speaker 5: But for some of the guys that didn't have the invites,
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  Speaker 5: and you got a chance to see them do all
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  Speaker 5: the testing together as a scout and evaluated. You got
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  Speaker 5: a chance to kind of watch some of the guys
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  Speaker 5: that maybe you were debating on how you put the
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  Speaker 5: grades or which order they should be able. You get
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  Speaker 5: to see us to see them work out back to back,
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  Speaker 5: which is always helpful. It was a cool event just
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  Speaker 5: because you know, you get a chance to see so
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  Speaker 5: many guys. And even though it's an abbreviated workout session,
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  Speaker 5: meaning the position drills were about twenty to twenty five minutes.
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  Speaker 4: You got a chance to see a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: guys work out.
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  Speaker 5: You were able to kind of put the finishing touches
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  Speaker 5: on some scouting reports, and you had a chance to
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  Speaker 5: see and talk to a bunch of scouts to kind
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  Speaker 5: of get their takes on a bunch of different players
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  Speaker 5: and things that are kind of happening around the league.
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  Speaker 6: What was the uh I've been back in the day
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  Speaker 6: to quite a few team site pro days. What was
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  Speaker 6: the vibe among NFL people? Did they, I mean, would
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  Speaker 6: they like this to be a trend just for ease.
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  Speaker 5: It's funny because there were some coaches that were there
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  Speaker 5: to see players and workout players, and what they didn't
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  Speaker 5: like is they didn't have that opportunity to do to
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  Speaker 5: one on one step that you would get descous and
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  Speaker 5: stuff like it because it saves you a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: different trips. Instead of having to go to Wacot and
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  Speaker 5: Lubbock and make your way to the little Apple Manhattan,
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  Speaker 5: you can just sit right there in the start in
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  Speaker 5: Dallas and kind of see everybody. Due the deal, I
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  Speaker 5: think they're pros and cons to it, But I think
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  Speaker 5: the pros far outweigh the cons in terms of being
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  Speaker 5: able to have one stop shopping where you can see
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  Speaker 5: everybody in just one big advantage.
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  Speaker 6: Well, because eventually if they want to get one on
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  Speaker 6: one time, they can get them like to a thirty visit,
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  Speaker 6: or they can. You can fix that with a little effort, right.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you can fix it a few different ways
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  Speaker 5: to fix it. You can have a private workout where
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  Speaker 5: you meet them on campus and do that. You also
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  Speaker 5: can have them come on a thirty visit where they
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  Speaker 5: come to the facility and.
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  Speaker 4: Meet all the personnel.
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  Speaker 5: You get a chance to eyeball them, meet with them,
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  Speaker 5: have dinner with them, get a feel for how they
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  Speaker 5: would fit into the locker room. The thirty visits are
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  Speaker 5: really important, but also being able to get them on
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  Speaker 5: campus and in their environment and have dinner with them
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  Speaker 5: that also matters too.
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  Speaker 4: It just depends on reference.
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  Speaker 5: If you are a people person, if you are really
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  Speaker 5: big on establishing relationships before you kind of make the call,
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  Speaker 5: you want to be able to get around them, and
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  Speaker 5: you can get around them better when it's a traditional
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  Speaker 5: pro day as opposed to a combine.
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  Speaker 4: Like this was.
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  Speaker 3: The new season is right around the corner and the
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  Speaker 3: time to get those season tickets. The membership is right now.
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  Speaker 3: Be at the bank for every touchdown security seats at
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars dot Com slash tickets. We're called nine oh four
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  Speaker 3: to sixty three three two thousand. It's huddle up with
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  Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks, JP, Shadrick, John Osier. We're at the middle
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  Speaker 3: of Electric Center in the Honday Studios Bucky Brooks in
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles. And speaking of those thirty visits, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we've had it so many different ways over the years,
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  Speaker 3: with different regimes, Bucky. You know, they've had situations where
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  Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen, they had like fifteen guys on one day,
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  Speaker 3: fifteen on another.
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  Speaker 2: And we interviewed a bunch of those guys that year.
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  Speaker 2: Remember John, we had.
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  Speaker 3: Bridgewater and Johnny Football and Clowney and all those guys.
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  Speaker 3: A J. McCarron, all those guys are in the building
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  Speaker 3: on the same day and blames here that day. We've
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  Speaker 3: had it where they split them up over you know,
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  Speaker 3: the little bit of time here and there's a couple
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  Speaker 3: of day or they kind of cherry pick some guys
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  Speaker 3: and we don't get to see them sometimes. Well, John,
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  Speaker 3: you were talking about yesterday on JAG's am, it's not
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  Speaker 3: happening this year for the Jacks.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Bucky.
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  Speaker 6: My understanding is much like the Rams the Jaguars, if
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  Speaker 6: any very very few thirty visits, maybe not do it.
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  Speaker 6: And I know the Rams and you know the Jaggares.
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  Speaker 6: People have said this, the Rams are sort of the
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  Speaker 6: north Star. There's going to be a lot of uh,
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  Speaker 6: you know, a mimicking of that because that's the approach.
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  Speaker 6: I know. The Rams philosophy with the combine was always, uh,
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  Speaker 6: let's not cloud what we think about these guys with
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  Speaker 6: on field stuff and stuff that's not on the tape.
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  Speaker 6: I'm assuming the thirty visit relatively the same philosophy you've
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  Speaker 6: been in side. I sort of lean toward wanting to
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  Speaker 6: know more about a guy, but this is sort of
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  Speaker 6: a different approach.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but they still can get to know guys because remember,
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: just because you don't bring someone on a thirty visit
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: doesn't mean you can't have zoom calls or regular phone
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: calls to talk to.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Them to get to know them and do it.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: It would be a different approach, but there may be
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: some value to that because everyone won't know who you
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: are necessarily interested in and I'll say, like looking at
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: the Rams and what the Rams have been able to
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: do for the last few years, whatever that approach is,
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: it's worked for them. The thing that they know is
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: the guys that the Rams have always wanted, guys that
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: love ball. Now everyone would come to your facility and
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: profess their love a ball and how much look they
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: can't go without ball in their life and those things.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: But it's another thing that those actions and words really
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: line up. The Rams have been able to identify guys
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: that have those core characteristics where football is important. They
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: love it, they love competing, they love the day to
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: day monotony of getting better.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Hopefully the Jaguars can find those guys.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: As they talked about the Rams being their north star
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: and what they would aspire to be like within the
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: confines of having their own identity as the Jacks, there's
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: some value to having a locker room that are full
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: of guys that love ball and would do anything for
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: the team and anything that they can to get better
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: and to kind of master the crap.
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: I think we've talked about this before, Bucket. I'm not
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: sure if it's been on the air or no, just
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: when we talk, but in terms of getting to know
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: that part of what you just talked about, which to
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: me is sort of known. You know, it's easy to
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: know if a guy loves ball once you've been around
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: him for a month, once he's been around your strength
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: and conditioning guy who can court, who can sort of
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: see through a guy's facade really quickly as somebody who's
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: been on the road and tried to get to know players.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: To me, what you're saying is, you've got to have
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: people who have been around this guy who you trust.
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: It's more talking to people who know him and who
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: have seen him in real time than it is talking
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: to the player. Am I reading that right? I mean?
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: Is that just about just doing your research and doing
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: your reporting on a guy?
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: It is that, and it'll really be on And this
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: would be fascinating to kind of watch how this plays out.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: A glass on trust and relies on the scouts and
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: the building guys that he may not have had a
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: relationship with.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: How much is he willing to lean on their opinion
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: when it comes to what a player is.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: I can tell you as an area scout, look, there's
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: there's a part of you that is part detective.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: When you go evaluate these prospects. There are times I
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: can tell you.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: You just go to Washington State and I would I
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: would hang out for a couple of days and kind
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: of know the lay of the land and go to
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: the watering holes that some of the players would go
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: to and talk to some of the people that work
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: at the restaurants and hey, have you seen this play?
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: What is he like when he's in here?
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: And you talk to all the academical whatever people, But
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: you really find out about a player by asking the
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: people around town as they begin to paint that picture.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: Maybe a lot of what the Jacks are doing is
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: having their scouts kind of do some digging to make
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: sure that they feel really good about the players that
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: they put on the board, the players that they're considering,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: so that you know, not only are they going to
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: represent themselves well as model citizens, but they're gonna come
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: in and have the core traits that we're looking for
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: when it comes to being the alpha competitors. Guys that
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: love ball, guys that love the process and everything that
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: goes along with it. Because if you're able to put
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: because you've heard Glass, don't talk about this like, look,
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: the culture is really a collection of guys that kind
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: of think the same way.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: About ball and the way the team operates.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Where you go and get a bunch of guys that
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: put the team first, that love the work and those things,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: the culture naturally flips where you don't have to talk
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: The team is already about.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I could just picture when you were talking about this,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: fuck you sitting at the coug and pullman like with
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: a mustache on and a hat, and.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: This is in the corner all the way back spying.
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the young version of me could just blend right in.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I could go.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: I could go right to the fret house and get
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: my little rig up and nod my head and sit
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: in the back with everybody else and just kind of
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: watch what's going on. I mean, I mean I started
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: scouting one or two years right after our place.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: So he's just got to blend in.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Now, this version of me, I would probably feel a
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: little belichicky if I was.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: In the spots.
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: It would be a little different, you know, But but
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: I could I could certainly go in there and do
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: my best imitation maybe with my hood on the kind
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: of sit and just kind of observe and see what's
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: going on.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Him wearing his crouch and marks classes.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: I can see that. I can see it, you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: pouring water in his in his beer bottle. Here's partaking,
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: but a kidding aside. I have known gms over the
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: years who consider what Bucky's talking about the key aspect
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: of an area scout because they feel like, hey, I
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: can see the guy on tape, I know what measurables
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: I'm looking for. They can send high end across checkers
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: to see if they like the way the guy plays.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: I can get a feel for a guy face to
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: face at the combine, but that guy can't know the
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: twenty five campuses that an area scout has to know.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: The area scout's supposed to know the strength guy, the areas.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: The scout is supposed to know a couple of guys
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: at the bars, you know, to know what these guys are,
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: and they're they're tell me what I'm getting here, not
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: what I'm seeing on tape here. So I think that
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: is crucial if you're trying to find guys who you
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: truly believe. You're not gonna sit there three months down
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: the road and say, Okay, this guy likes ball, but
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: he didn't love it, so I mean there's there's a
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: big difference in that, and that's what the ear of
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: scouts are all about.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Thank goodness, nobody scouted you or I in college, John,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: because that scouting report would have been.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Shot full of goodies, but always a bad thing. That right,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: There are some goodies in the report. Some people like
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: guys with the little character because.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: That is there's a balance.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: It doesn't mean awesome.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: You can't you know, I think it's okay to go
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: to the front party. You don't have to be there
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: at two am.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And you can have It's good John, you can't leave early.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Come on, man, I was there at two am, but
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't have wanted me on my team.
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  Speaker 3: as well. Count down to the off season program is underway.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: They can begin April seventh, that I believe they'll begin
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: the next day with Phase one strength and conditioning only.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: And it's John's favorite time of year. O. Tas are
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: not far away.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: No, they're not. They're they are not far away.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Got it like that, And I think, get a good
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: stretch in, get ready to kind of participate in my
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: whole little off season program.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: On the field.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: Are you gonna get in there with the coaches and
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: the players?
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, make sure, make sure I bring my clise up
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: when I when I watch practice.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: This is another year JP where where on field activities
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: ot as are important. It's a new staff and a
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: new regime. It is so in this does matter to
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: the players. I don't necessarily think that what we're a
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: it is all that great at a shorts practice, but
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: it is important for these guys to get the feel
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: of what's going on.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: It's voluntary, it is volunteer's voluntarily important. It's importantly voluntary.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: It is it's that voluntary mandatory thing that I would
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: like to throw out there. I mean, it's voluntary, but
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: you know, kind of like to have your like to
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: have your presence there.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: And how you do anything is how you do everything.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: So better be really really really really good.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: Mh. This is this would be the perfect time to
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: pull up the the old Tom Coughlin quote from a
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: few years back when he talked about we need to
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: know your commitment level. If you devoted to team, you
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: got a little trouble for that. I believe these cinemas
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: may be shared if you're in the building.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: If you're good, very good, better be good.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're can we can? We count on you? Can?
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: We count on you?
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Can?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: We trust you? Are you dependable and reliable? All those things.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: We kind of get a chance to see some of
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: that in off season program.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: All right, we've made it another week, Bucky. What do
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: you got coming up? We got more Pro day stuff?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Uh not just yes, you.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Were standards on April fourth, and you know JP path
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: to the Draft starts next week.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: A conversation about the same twenty.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Five prospects that we like to talk about on TV.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: But then we'll try and crack it open a little bit.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Talk about some of the guys that the Jacks could
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: potentially look at. Means maybe one or two more mock drafts.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: In case you missed it, three point zero was just released.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: What do you have this time. Missed it. I did
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: miss it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: It's the same thing. Look, I'm not gonna give you.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna give you.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna give you anything that is whatever, especially
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: considering how I feel like the people would think that
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: I would have some extra insight on the Jacks. So
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: Mason Graham it is again. So it's an all like
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: we're alternating between Mason Graham and Travis Hunter.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: I pondered maybe.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Shaking it up a little bit and putting Ashton Genty
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: there at five, just to like.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Whoa, let's get serious.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I didn't know. I did, come on, man, I thought
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: about it. I thought about it like a conversation, conversation starter.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, it'll start a conversation that would end quickly.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe never know that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: I didn't mind Jeremiah's pick for him last week. The
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: oh who was the pick the edge from Georgia.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Georgia guy Walker Jalen.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Walk, Jayleen Walker. Okay, where are we gonna put him at?
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: So we're gonna have three edges on there's only two
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: wages that you can play.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: With pickyon inside on passing.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Remember the old cheatah package yeah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: So so okay, So so what you tell them me
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: is we get Walker. Wait, there are only so many
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: linebackers on the field, so somebody has to come and
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: sit out.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: That wasn't a problem last year.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: I mean yeah, for you, you got Lloyd, We got Walker.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, like like his musical chairs, John, we're putting somebody.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Somebody's out, somebody's left out when the music stops.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: Gotta take, gotta take.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Ok Alright, alright, oh boy.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll rotate a guy on defense.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: We're just all right, We're just gonna tack and just rot.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Right on that note. On that note, we'll call to day, Bucky.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: We'll see you next week.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Alright, alright, Many Brooks, John Ozer, Gay P.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Shatterer.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Thanks to Joe Borgo and Brent Reaver. Thanks to you
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: for listening to huddle up with Bucky.