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Inside The OIG Interview: The Warden's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 22) (4/23/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the warden and his interview
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  with the OIG inspectors. Question all right, the next one,
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  it says no notations concerning a requirement for a cell
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  mate were entered into the shoe program and subsequently available
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  for shoe officers to reference. Who would have been responsible
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  for noting that in the shoe program? First of all,
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  what is the shoe program? Answer? The shoe program is
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  with the two ninety twos, So I don't know from
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  what I understand, and was told after the fact that
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  they couldn't find the information on Epstein in the shoe program.
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  So I don't know how you can to that conclusion. Hayes.
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  By the way, let the record indicate that he is
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  not sweating under his armpits a good sign. Question we
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  didn't bop came to these conclusions? Answer right? So I
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  don't know where that conclusion came from, because from what
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  I gather, they couldn't get, they couldn't find because usually
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  he gets cut off. Well, they found the two ninety twos,
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  but they were just very limited. Answer right. The two
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  ninety twos usually have to have everything indicated on it.
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  Question And on that note, we were told the two
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  ninety two his file was extremely small and it should
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  have been larger. Had you heard anything about people removing
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  documents from files? Answer? From what I understand and was
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  told that there was no file. They couldn't They had
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  every other inmates file, but not his. Question they couldn't
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  even find it. You didn't think they could find his
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  file at all? Answer? No, that's what they was told
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  to me. Question And who told you that? Answer? I
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  think I heard that after the fact. I don't know
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  if the regional director told me after they came in
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  and did the check and they couldn't find it, So
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  I don't know. Question. But back to the original question,
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  whether it was there or not? If it the cell
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  mate requirement was not entered in the shoe program, who
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  should have made sure that it was? Answer? On the
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  two ninety two and I don't know who was doing it.
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  It should have been the lieutenant to ensuring that it's
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  all in there. Question So the shoe lieutenant answer when
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  they yeah, when they deny it or to the OIC.
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  So if the captain conveyed the information to him that
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  should have been put on the two ninety two question.
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  So either the shoe lieutenant or the OIC answer yeah. Question, Now,
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  when you say the OIC, does one OIC of one
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  shift take more responsibility than another? Answer? No, they are
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  all on the same shift. Question So like, for instance,
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  redacted was the OIC on the day watch, but I
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  think redacted was the OIC of the night watch. So
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  would one of them have more responsibility to do this
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  than the other? Answer? No, but that should have been
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  done on the initial when the directive was put out.
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  Question So from doctor or misredacted saying that he's coming
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  off of psychological observation, he needs to be housed with
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  the cellmate on July thirtieth, Answer right, that would have
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  been put out. And then when he gets cut off
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  by the investigator. So who at that time should have
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  noted that in his file? Answer Well, you would probably
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  have to find out from the captain who directed him
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  to doing that. Question. While the captain, according to his
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  you know, his memo that he sent to you, it
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  says that he specifically had these conversations on multiple occasions
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  with Lieutenant redacted. Answer right, So it would have been
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  the shoe, Lieutenant, whichever one he had. If redacted was
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  the one, then redacted would have been the one question. Okay.
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  August ninth, twenty nineteen eight, Am, Inmate Reyis, the cellmate
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  departs for court. Answer right question. Again, this claims court.
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  But if they're seeing WAB, actually, you know what I
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  heard WAB was specific to mcc is that correct answer.
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  Other institutions will tell you to pack up your inmates
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  with all the belongings. That's you know what it is
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  question Because even on their findings, they are showing that
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  he departed for court. Answer yeah, question, although all the
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  documentation we showed says WAB answer WAB question and transferred.
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  So even on here they are getting this wrong answer.
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  And that's what the whole confusion is, is the assumption
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  that he was going to court. Question because then it
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  says he gets cut off by the warden. When you
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  look at the document, he gets cut off now by
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  the investigator. Yeah, And then it says inmate Reyis does
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  not return to the institution. So and this was when
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  a lot of things. When we were first starting this investigation,
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  we heard was court didn't return from court answer right question.
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  And then when we actually look through the record. We
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  were like court, it's he gets cut off by the warden.
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  I think people thought, without looking at the documentation, that
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  he went to court and got released from court. Question
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  So then I'm just going to read the question. If
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  the document's list rayis is being wab and if they
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  had the transfer list, why did they say that he
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  went to court and did not return. Answer? I can't
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  answer that question. Okay, seven pm Epstein was provided a
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  social call by the institutional duty officer? Does that mean redacted? Answer? Yeah,
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  he was the duty officer at the time, I believe.
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  Question And what does the institutional duty officer mean? Answer? So,
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  what the duty officer is is after hours they walk
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  around and you know, report emergencies. Question is that like
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  the highest ranking official there? Answer that comes on at night?
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  You know they're there with lieutenants. But they just make
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  sure that if we had any issues, you know, addressing
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  and mad issues, stuff like that. Question So they're kind
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  of they basically the OIC for the institution. Answer kind of,
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  I wouldn't say the OIC, but you know, senior staff around.
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  Question Okay, this call was done on an unmonitored line.
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  It's extremely concerning. Why this call would have been placed,
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  and why it would have been done on an unmonitored line.
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  Without further interviews, it's not possible to determine the reason
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  for this call. Just why does it say extremely concerning? Answer?
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  I don't know. Both are a report he gets cut off,
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  But I mean, do you also find it extremely concerning?
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  Would you classify it as extremely concerning? Answer? I mean
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  it would be. I mean that the choice of words
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  that they use, so I wouldn't you know, necessarily say
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  use the word extremely concerning, but I would think he
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  gets cut off by the investigator. It's certainly wrong. Answer,
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  It would be. It's an issue, but extremely concerning question, okay.
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  On August ninth, twenty nineteen, during the shift change in
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  the Shoe, the Shoe number three six am to two
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  PM officer briefed his two pm to ten relief and
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  the other two eight am to four pm officers with
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  the likelihood in may Reis would not be returning and
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  in made Epstein would require a cell mate upon return
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  from an attorney visit. Inmate Epstein was not placed with
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  the cell mate upon his return to the Shoe. My
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  question to you is, just how did they know this information?
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  How would they have obtained that information? Do you know? Answer?
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  I don't know. Like I said, I don't know who
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  they spoke to during this after action question? Were they
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  doing interviews though? Answer? I wasn't there. Question okay, were
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  they authorized though? If OIG and FBI are doing an investigation,
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  is the after action team authorized to come in and
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  interview people? Answer? So I've done after actions and there's
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  a point where you come to it where you if
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  it's an OIG or FBI investigation, that I can't. I mean,
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  I can't question certain people because it might impede the investigation,
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  Like if you're going to look at video and all
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  that stuff or look at it, you can't because most
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  of the time it's been taken. So I don't know.
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  Question So possibly from that memo though that was created,
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  if they're not really supposed to be doing I mean,
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  I'm assuming that they're not really supposed to be doing interviews. Answer,
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  I mean, I don't know who authorized them to come
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  in and do the investigation. I don't know it was,
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  you know, who set the parameters on it. I can't
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  speak on that question. And is it normal for them
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  to do something like this when there is an actual
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  FBI and OIG investigation. Answer, we do after actions, So
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  I don't know. Question, But I mean, do they do
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  after actions typically when there is an ongoing criminal investigation.
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  Answer not typically question no answer. So I don't know,
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  And again I don't want to speculate. I don't know
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  who authorized it. I don't know if they got permission
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  from the department to come down and do it. Question. Sure.
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  August tenth, twenty nineteen, So this is the day of
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  six thirty three am. A body alarm is activated in
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  the Special Housing Unit Shoes staff report inmate Epstein was
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  unresponsive in cell two six dash two two zero. LED
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  centry does not reflect this accurately. Staff entered the cell
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  and attempted to wake Epstein. Control Center announced a medical
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  emergency cardio pulmonary resuscitation or CPR was initiated. So the
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  question here is I guess I'll start with, Well, the
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  information that we have is Michael Thomas and Owel were there.
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  Michael Thomas immediately went into the cell upon finding Epstein.
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  Was it appropriate for him to immediately go into the
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  cell or should he have waited for staff to arrive
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  on site? Answer? You're trained to wait for enough staff
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  to get there and a lieutenant before you open the door, Hayes,
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  Is that right? Answer? Uh? Huh. Question in other words,
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  suppose the fucking guy is in a seizure. Answer, Well,
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  the flip side of it is he could be trying.
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  He could be fanning it. Question we're in a prison.
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  Answer yeah, he could be fanning the suicide and then
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  come on and attack you and guess what, You're the
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  only person there. Now, he has the keys for every
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  range on that door, and you can't lose. You can't
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  lose the unit. So that wasn't he gets cut off
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  by the investigator, so he did not question, So he
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  didn't appropriately disindiscernible. Question. Yeah, he didn't appropriately question. And
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  should he have known that from his training experience? Answer? Yeah.
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  Question seven thirty six am inmate Epstein pronounced dead by
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  the emergency room physician, and we're already addressed this. My
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  question was was Epstein alive or did he show signs?
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  But we dug into that plenty. On August tenth, twenty nineteen,
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  the two assigned morning watch Shoe officers failed to make
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  their designated rounds or count the Shoe inmates for two
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  counts at six thirty three am, upon finding in made
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  Epstein on a responsive in his cell with a torn
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  bedsheet around his neck, staff utilized the body alarm to
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  initiate a call for assistance. The medical response to the
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  incident was timely, efficient, and exhaustive. Staff utilized in AED
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  as well as a continuous CPR unit. Care was assumed
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  by EMS personnel. Are you aware of how what information
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  they obtained to say that the shoe officers failed to
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  make their designated rounds accounts? Answer? I don't know. Question no.
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  And I just say this because I know in reviewing
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  emails a lot of this information was provided from you
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  two redacted and redacted was providing it to whomever that
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  they were. So I'm assuming and drafting these questions out
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  a lot of this information came from you. Answer but
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  I wasn't here when this was Question Yeah. I think
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  a lot of this stuff, though, was provided, you know,
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  during the email review those first couple of days. So
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  that's why I'm asking these questions, is like, do you
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  know where this information came from? Answer no, I don't
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  question no. Answer mm hmm. All right, folks, We're gonna
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  wrap up right here and in the next episode dealing
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  with the topic, We're gonna pick up where we left off.
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