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KOHBERGER SAYS I OWE THE VICTIMS NOTHING · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Convicted killer Brian Coburger says, I owe the victims nothing.
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  Speaker 1: This as Coburger is.
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  Speaker 2: Cost price a shopping at Costco and at a coffee
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  Speaker 2: shop immediately after the murders.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand.
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  Speaker 2: He has pled guilty to slaughtering four people that he
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  Speaker 2: thought he would find a sleep in their beds after
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  Speaker 2: he had dreamed about raping comatose women, and then after
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  Speaker 2: slaughtering them, leaving the scene, boiling himself in the shower.
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  Speaker 1: He goes to Costco to Price shop.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm okay, no way me these stairs which she found
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  Speaker 4: those stairs? Maybe she was listen.
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  Speaker 2: First, I want to make sure I've got my facts
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  Speaker 2: straight before I go out to a forensic psychologist. Alside Paganelli,
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  Speaker 2: Susan Hendricks is joining me investigative journalists.
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  Speaker 1: She's on the Coburger case from the get go.
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  Speaker 2: She is the author of a brand new book, Down
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  Speaker 2: the heel My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi. Susan,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to make sure I understand this. The
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  Speaker 2: timeline here and McDonough jump in if you know better, Susan,
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  Speaker 2: Brian Coburger, We're not just supposing, We're not hypothesizing. Brian
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  Speaker 2: Coberger admitted pled guilty to four murders.
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  Speaker 1: They were worse than murders.
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  Speaker 2: They were slaughters of four innocent college students University Idaho.
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  Speaker 1: And now do I have this right, Susan Hendrix.
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  Speaker 2: He then goes home, boils himself in the shower, takes
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  Speaker 2: a few selfies.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, control room, can I.
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  Speaker 2: See the shower selfies he took like an hour after
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  Speaker 2: he gets home to his apartment in Pullman with the
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  Speaker 2: thumbs up, all fresh and clean from the quadruple murder.
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  Speaker 2: And then he goes out to Costco to price shop
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  Speaker 2: and get an expensive cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Do I have that right, Susan Hendricks.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, And by the way, before taking that selfie, he
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  Speaker 5: goes back to the crime scene a little after nine am.
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  Speaker 5: Was it to look for the evidence he left behind?
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  Speaker 6: And we do know that he.
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  Speaker 5: Called his mother as well, But Raight just goes into Costco.
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  Speaker 5: He wasn't able to get inside. I don't know if
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  Speaker 5: he didn't know you needed a card to get in.
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  Speaker 5: But he's just acting like it's a normal day after slaughtering,
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  Speaker 5: as you said, for college students.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you need a car to get into cost Co.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to show you the video of him
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  Speaker 2: and Costco. He is drinking out of a water there he.
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  Speaker 1: Goes and watch this.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, hide that left hand, Hide that he keeps that
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  Speaker 2: in his left pocket. I'm surprised he didn't go off
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  Speaker 2: on the female Costco person, the diminutive lady there.
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  Speaker 1: With the blonde ponytail. He's like, what, I need a
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  Speaker 1: car to get in Costco?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Co Burger, you need a card, it says Costco. Want it.
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  Speaker 1: Alison Paganelli joining us on board.
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  Speaker 2: A certified forensic psychologist affiliated with Park Deets and Associates,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen years of experience. Alison, I'm not a shrink. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just a JD. But who goes from a slaughterhouse where
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  Speaker 2: you murder four people to price shopping in Costco.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's hard to say why he was doing those
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  Speaker 7: things right after slaughtering college students. Could have been trying
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  Speaker 7: to get some security footage of him looking.
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  Speaker 6: Like just a regular guy.
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  Speaker 7: He might have been kind of sniffing around to see
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  Speaker 7: if anybody recognized him or had tied him to the crime.
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  Speaker 6: Yet it is unusual order.
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  Speaker 1: The mind of someone that could pull this off. But
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  Speaker 1: he bought up a really good point.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna circle back to you because I got to
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  Speaker 2: go throw this to Eric Fattus. Eric Fattus is a
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  Speaker 2: veteran criminal defense attorney joining us TV Legal analyst founding
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  Speaker 2: partner Varner Fattus, Elite legal, and former Fellony prosecutor.
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  Speaker 1: We know what he was doing, fattest. I believe Alison.
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  Speaker 2: Took me quite literally. I want her to go into
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  Speaker 2: the mind like, who can do that? Fattus?
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  Speaker 1: Clearly he's trying to establish an alibi.
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  Speaker 2: See him all clean and crisp and bright and shiny
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  Speaker 2: here in Costco.
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  Speaker 1: Who could do that? Well?
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  Speaker 2: Him, he could do that because we know he's already
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  Speaker 2: admitted to doing it. But he was trying to establish
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  Speaker 2: an alibi. And now I've got the footage to show it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, I mean when it comes to an alibi,
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  Speaker 8: you have to be seen by someone, you have to
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  Speaker 8: have an alibi witness, you have to have some evidence
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  Speaker 8: that you were somewhere else, and so yeah, it makes
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  Speaker 8: sense strategically to try and go out and be seen
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  Speaker 8: and be on camera and find people who view you
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  Speaker 8: who would say, hey, yeah, I saw him at Costco.
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  Speaker 8: He couldn't have been conducting these heinous murders, you know,
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  Speaker 8: moments before this. I think that was likely his intention
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  Speaker 8: and his alibi, and the case was garbage, and this
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  Speaker 8: was kind of a trash attempt at accomplishing that as well.
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  Speaker 2: And then it didn't work because Dingjong didn't know you
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  Speaker 2: have to have a card to go sauntering around the
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  Speaker 2: aisles at Costco and taste all the samples. It didn't work,
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  Speaker 2: so we had to leave and get another alibi where
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  Speaker 2: he could be lingering. So where did he go? A
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  Speaker 2: coffee kiosk? Let's see that one control room. He goes
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  Speaker 2: into what looks like a grocery store, headed straight for
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  Speaker 2: I think to be a Starbucks kiosk, wearing the same
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  Speaker 2: outfit as we saw before. There he goes Okay, back
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  Speaker 2: to Allison Paganelli joining us for certified forensic Psychologists. So
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  Speaker 2: what I'm asking you is how do you switch gears
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  Speaker 2: like that? Most people would be upset about what had
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  Speaker 2: just happened. I mean, I've mentioned this before. I've seen
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  Speaker 2: Rookie Copps vomit on a murder scene where there was
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  Speaker 2: just one dead body, much less four people slaughtered. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, Killy Gonsovas was disfigured. She was stabbed
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  Speaker 2: over thirty times in the face, and then he is
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  Speaker 2: all right and shiny going into Costco. What kind of
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  Speaker 2: mind can do that?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 7: I first I want to say I've never met Brian Colberger.
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  Speaker 1: I've never evaluated him.
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  Speaker 7: But for some people who meet criteria for a psychopathic personality,
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  Speaker 7: it research has shown that the part in their brain,
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  Speaker 7: the amygdala, which is activated when something's highly emotional, that
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  Speaker 7: they're amygdalah, doesn't function like the rest of us. They're
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  Speaker 7: they're not as scared of things as we are. I
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  Speaker 7: do find it odd that he was involved in such
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  Speaker 7: a physical crime and then to go, as you said,
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  Speaker 7: casually saunter around these stores. You know, the adrenaline alone
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  Speaker 7: you would think would keep him from doing that. But
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  Speaker 7: clearly this is planful behavior. And it's not that he
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  Speaker 7: was you know, numbed out and didn't know what he did.
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  Speaker 7: This was, you know, a plan for an alibi. But
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  Speaker 7: let's just say his amygdala wasn't firing as it should
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  Speaker 7: have been.
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  Speaker 1: Again. I'm not diagnosing him with anything.
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  Speaker 6: I've never met him, but that's my best guess.
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  Speaker 2: Chris mcdonna joining us to JIC Cold Case Foundation, former
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  Speaker 2: homicide detective with over three hundred homicides under his belt,
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  Speaker 2: Star of the Interview Room on YouTube. Chris, I hear
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  Speaker 2: what Alison Paganelli is saying about the Amigdala.
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  Speaker 1: Don't care. I don't even really know what that means.
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  Speaker 2: She's saying a part of his brain doesn't fire, in
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  Speaker 2: other words, to function the way ours does. That it
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  Speaker 2: is not legal insanity, that's not even a meddal defect.
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  Speaker 2: I hear her. I don't doubt her, but I mean
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  Speaker 2: balls the size of coconuts. That's how I would diagnose it.
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  Speaker 1: Because this guy admits we know he did it. He
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  Speaker 1: admitted in.
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  Speaker 2: Court he slaughtered four people, three girls.
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  Speaker 1: And one sleeping guy.
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  Speaker 2: And now he's, as I said, sauntering through the aisles.
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  Speaker 2: He's going into a grocery store for coffee because that
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  Speaker 2: first first alibi thing didn't work out, where he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to go up and down the aisles of Costco and
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  Speaker 2: get caught on every single surveillance camera they've got. So
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  Speaker 2: then he had to go somewhere else. I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: is this guy?
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  Speaker 9: He is also continuing to make conscious decisions, Nancy. If
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  Speaker 9: you notice when he comes into Costco, his shirt is untucked,
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  Speaker 9: it's disheveled, his right rear pocket is inside out. You know,
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  Speaker 9: did he play a game like, oh, I forgot my wallet.
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  Speaker 9: But then when you see him at the coffee shop,
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  Speaker 9: he has made a decision to tuck in his shirt
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  Speaker 9: and walk through that coffee shop. So he is consciously
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  Speaker 9: thinking about his appearance. And I still believe you know,
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  Speaker 9: at this moment he's playing a game.
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  Speaker 1: What game?
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  Speaker 10: The game of?
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  Speaker 9: You know you're not going to catch me? And this
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  Speaker 9: goes towards his consciousness of guilt that he's thinking through
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  Speaker 9: every move that he makes.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hm.
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  Speaker 2: He could have argued you a jury, Look how clean
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  Speaker 2: and pristine I am after a bloodbath.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody could pull this off.
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  Speaker 2: You've got the wrong guy. I was at Costco, sitting
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  Speaker 2: in the parking lot when this happen. Whatever he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to say, but that's why he's there. But the Costco
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  Speaker 2: thing didn't work out. When the attendant told him he
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  Speaker 2: couldn't get in, he would have probably spent an hour
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  Speaker 2: in there trying to look like a normal person.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Guys.
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  Speaker 2: Also, we are learning that Kelli Gounsovs's sister confronts the prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: Bill Thompson that dropped the ball and whipped out on
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  Speaker 2: the death penalty, about what really happened to her sister.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 11: Olivia Gonsolves asked Bill Thompson if there's any possibility the
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  Speaker 11: victims autopsy photos could wind up plastered across the internet,
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  Speaker 11: and Thompson warns her of his.
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  Speaker 1: Fears of a leaker in their department who has yet
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  Speaker 1: to be caught.
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  Speaker 11: Olivia makes the difficult decision to view the state's exhibits
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  Speaker 11: from Kaylee's autopsy, wanting to be prepared in case she
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  Speaker 11: ever ran into them. Unexpectedly, Olivia learns that what she
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  Speaker 11: was led to believe were defensive wounds may have been
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  Speaker 11: something else.
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  Speaker 2: Entirely, something else entirely not defensive wounds. In a nutshell
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  Speaker 2: to Chris McDonough, you've seen defensive wounds on murder victims,
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  Speaker 2: probably since.
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  Speaker 1: The day one.
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  Speaker 2: They can be on your arms, your hands when you
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  Speaker 2: try to fight off an attacker, if the victim goes
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  Speaker 2: into a fetal position.
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  Speaker 1: You will see defensive wounds.
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  Speaker 2: Even on their knees and their legs where they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to curl up and fight off the attacker. What defensive
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  Speaker 2: woos would you have expected on the victims in this case.
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  Speaker 9: You would see them on their hands, because you know
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  Speaker 9: they're placing their hands up into a position to prevent
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  Speaker 9: you know, a knife. In this case, you would probably
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  Speaker 9: get them here on the four arms as well, and
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  Speaker 9: you'd be able to tell, you know, post mortem, if
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  Speaker 9: they were post mortem or if they actually occurred during
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  Speaker 9: the homicide itself.
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  Speaker 2: So now we are hearing physical slace family that some
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  Speaker 2: of the wounds may have been interpreted as defensive, but
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  Speaker 2: they're not listen.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be doing this, but no one
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  Speaker 3: on the state side standing up and giving details like this.
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  Speaker 3: And I get it to some extent, but he's creating
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  Speaker 3: like massive amounts of chaos. The guy order protected an
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  Speaker 3: absolute monster. It's disgusting.
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  Speaker 12: Olivia Gonzabz lies Idaho for a face to face meeting
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  Speaker 12: with Bill Thompson to get answers to lingering questions about
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  Speaker 12: her sister's murder. The prosecutor goes over the full list
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  Speaker 12: of Kaylee's wounds with Olivia and that to discuss his
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  Speaker 12: decision not to take the case to trial. Olivia and
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  Speaker 12: her family still do not agree with the plea deal, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, Susan Hendrix. To think that the sister of Kale Gosauvace. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, some of that was from Olivia gosface
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok has to get on a plane at her
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  Speaker 2: own expense and fly to ask the prosecutor questions because
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  Speaker 2: she can't get answers about what happened to her sister.
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  Speaker 1: That's crime and shame.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're coming up on three years, Nancy, and to
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  Speaker 5: think they still don't have the answers they want. And
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  Speaker 5: what comes out of Bill Thompson's mouth always shocks me.
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  Speaker 5: What do you mean they could be leaked? What about
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  Speaker 5: the guy orders? So Olivia decides, I'm going to go
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  Speaker 5: there by myself, take control. Look at the photos just
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  Speaker 5: in case third leak that happened in del Fi, it
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  Speaker 5: can happen. So she looked at her sister. If you
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  Speaker 5: can imagine apt thirty four times. Some of the wounds,
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  Speaker 5: as Chris was saying, there's some defensive wounds, some of
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  Speaker 5: them were not defensive, investigators are saying, and they told
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  Speaker 5: her they could be experimental. I think the minute he
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  Speaker 5: got on campus in Washington State, he was obsessed with
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  Speaker 5: committing this crime. And I believe it that they could
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  Speaker 5: be quote unquote experimental.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to Olivia go. Some of the.
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  Speaker 3: Wounds that were made the Kayley were described as experimental.
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  Speaker 1: So a wound that might typically.
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  Speaker 3: And its presentation looked defensive might not have necessarily been
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  Speaker 3: defensive because at some point he was inflicting wounds that
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  Speaker 3: I mean, any logical person would know wouldn't be fatal.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't want to speculate on you know, what
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  Speaker 3: exactly he was doing, whether it was to you know,
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  Speaker 3: just cause pain or whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's from Olivia gonsolvice TikTok. Now, let's analyze it.
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  Speaker 2: She just said some of the wounds made to her
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  Speaker 2: sister Keeley were described as quote experimental. It could have
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  Speaker 2: presented as a defensive wound, but now the theory is
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  Speaker 2: they were experimental, in other words, inflicting wounds that anyone
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  Speaker 2: would know are not fatal for what the joy of
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  Speaker 2: causing the pain?
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  Speaker 1: With us renowned board.
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  Speaker 2: Certified forensic pathologists, anatomic pathologist, doctor Priya Banergye with anchor
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  Speaker 2: Forensic pathology consulting Doctor Priya, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What are experimental wounds and how can you identify them
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  Speaker 2: or differentiate them from defensive wounds?
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  Speaker 1: You really have to.
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  Speaker 6: Look at why were there so many wounds?
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  Speaker 13: And the most important thing is, as Chris mcdonna said,
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  Speaker 13: you can differentiate anti mortem wounds meaning when she was
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  Speaker 13: physiologically alive.
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  Speaker 6: To post more to wounds, right.
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  Speaker 13: Which means whether there's bleeding with the wounds or not.
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  Speaker 13: And then we get into how deep are they and
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  Speaker 13: are they injurious or are they almost like a torture right,
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  Speaker 13: so very superficial repeated wounds.
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  Speaker 6: We see that in torture cases.
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  Speaker 13: But now if they don't have bleeding with them, is
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  Speaker 13: he getting some sort of joy by just repeatedly stabbing
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  Speaker 13: her or hurting her.
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  Speaker 6: Even if she's basically passed away.
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  Speaker 2: Experimental wounds are typically injuries created in a controlled setting,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, to study wound healing or test therapies like
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  Speaker 2: tissue repair or blood coagulation or inflammation.
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  Speaker 1: But to you, Chris.
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  Speaker 2: McDonough, that's not why experimental wounds were inflicted in this case, is.
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  Speaker 9: No, not at all, Nancy. And you know what's probably
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  Speaker 9: occurring here is, remember he is executing his fantasy and
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  Speaker 9: nothing is going his way. And so the fact that
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  Speaker 9: if those are post mortem wounds, as doctor Pria was
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  Speaker 9: talking about, then you would expect to kind of connect
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  Speaker 9: that either a to his fantasy or b to his
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  Speaker 9: learning for the next victim, i e. If he got
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  Speaker 9: away with this, he would try to do something else
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  Speaker 9: to the next victim because he just learned from these
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  Speaker 9: four victims.
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  Speaker 2: So the point, I guess, Susan Hendricks would be that
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  Speaker 2: many of the wounds on the victims were quote experimental wounds,
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  Speaker 2: wounds that Kyburger would know would not cause death, but
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  Speaker 2: they would cause extreme pain, like the thirty stabs to
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  Speaker 2: Cally's face.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I still don't understand how.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecutor thought it was a good idea not to
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  Speaker 2: seek the maximum penalty in this case, at least present
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  Speaker 2: the death penalty to the jury when we now understand
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  Speaker 2: these were not defensive wounds, they were experimental wounds to
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  Speaker 2: inflict pain, specifically before he murdered them.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it just gets more shocking the more we
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  Speaker 5: find out. I believe there was a narrative that they
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  Speaker 5: were spreading early on. As you know, the coroner, we
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  Speaker 5: really never hear them interviewed covering these stories, and she said, oh,
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  Speaker 5: they were all asleep. I remember that soon after.
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  Speaker 1: No, they weren't.
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  Speaker 5: The narrative wasn't even close to that. And now we're
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  Speaker 5: hearing he had time for experimental and Xanichernodle stabbed fifty times.
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  Speaker 1: What went on in that house?
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  Speaker 5: I believe we'll never know the full extent of it,
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  Speaker 5: but boy are we learning coming up on three years.
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  Speaker 3: These wounds didn't necessarily make a lot of sense. They
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  Speaker 3: were described to me as experimental, and on Kaylee specifically,
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  Speaker 3: there was evidence that he continued the attack after she
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  Speaker 3: was no longer even even fighting back. So just in
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  Speaker 3: light of that, just because there was a wound on
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  Speaker 3: a hand, or wound on a forearm, or wound on
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  Speaker 3: you know, a risk, these really really classic defensive places. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: we just can't make that assumption.
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  Speaker 1: From Olivia go on solvice on TikTok.
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  Speaker 5: I remember I was in my room, am I turning
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  Speaker 5: into bed and.
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  Speaker 2: I heard Kaylee heard go.
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  Speaker 5: Upstairs and okay, I'm gonna go to state.
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  Speaker 4: Now you go upstairs to see in gostairs Kaylee and Dowdy.
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  Speaker 6: He's not waking up.
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  Speaker 2: Convicted quadrupe will killer Brian Coberg are sauntering through Costco
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  Speaker 2: and toward a coffee Kiosk within hours after slaughtering four
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: beautiful University Idaho students, And now we are learning wounds
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: to the bodies were experimental. In other words, those wounds
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: are not defensive. They were inflicted by Coburger simply to
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: cause pain, not to kill.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Those were the other mortal wounds. These wounds were just
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: for the fun of it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Listen, and even if they were, the body reacts and
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: there's reflexes to you know, protect your face, your head,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: your neck. It doesn't mean that someone wasn't wasn't sleeping beforehand,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: or you know, was just briefly woken.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's Olivia Goosavis on TikTok, Kelly's sister.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: But even given the fact that we now know many
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: of the wounds, the knife wounds were just to amuse Coburger,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: to inflict pain on his victims. They weren't even fighting
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: back anymore. He just did it for his own amusement.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Even knowing that he is now saying I owe the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: victims and their families.
• 21:25
  Speaker 14: Nothing listen, Bill Thompson's plea deal isn't keeping Brian Coberger
• 21:30
  Speaker 14: as quietly locked away as originally hoped. The convicted quadruple
• 21:33
  Speaker 14: murder is now contesting his financial restitution to the victims.
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: He argues he should not have to pay the victims'
• 21:39
  Speaker 14: families because they benefited from several GoFundMe pages and did
• 21:43
  Speaker 14: not suffer economic loss. Coburger also points out, even if
• 21:48
  Speaker 14: he wanted to pay, he has no way to raise
• 21:50
  Speaker 14: the funds, seeing as he will spend the rest of
• 21:52
  Speaker 14: his natural life behind bars.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, what after all the pain and suffering he had caused.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Susan Hendrick's investigative reporter, he's now saying I owe the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: victims nothing.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: It's despicable. Recently, Stacy Chapin, Ethan Chapin's mom, says soon
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: after the murder, she stood outside of that house knowing
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: her son was inside. And in the court documents he
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: see that Ethan was stabbed more there were some wounds
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: on his hands. It's not clear for it happened that night,
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: but think about the excruciating pain they all are going
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: through to this day. It'll never go away, and he's
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: mentioning gofundmes. Yeah, he doesn't have a job in prison,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: but why mention the gofundmes and still trying to bring
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: down the families of what he did? I don't think
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: obviously clearly he's not sorry at all, and it's disgusting.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: What what is that joining me? Eric Fattus, veterans trial lawyer,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: defense attorney. How do his lawyers even let him make
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: this statement? I owe the victims nothing? And now contesting
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: He's got his lawyers on board. They're contesting that he
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: owes restitution.
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I'm clearly a touchy issue in an egregious
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: case here, but you know, in terms of our system,
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: we've got to make sure we're being fair to both sides,
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: even somebody who's unpopular, even somebody who might be seen
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: as despicable. You know, his lawyers are arguing that there
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: is a plea agreement which is essentially a contract which
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: which dictates the restitution he has to pay, and these
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: travel expenses are not included in that. Further, he's saying that, hey,
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: these folks did not have an actual economic loss because
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: they were reimbursed from the GoFundMe. Pages and so that
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: would essentially be like a double dipping situation. So, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: a touchy argument to me, I couldn't got to go
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: to bed for their.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Cler actually accusing the four victims' families of double dipping.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not personally accused of them of anything.
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: But what I'm saying is is defense is looking at
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: this as Hey, if they already got paid, then they
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: didn't suffer an actual economic loss. If they already got
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: the travel expenses reimbursed from the GoFundMe, then any additional
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: funds going to them would not be owed and would
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: not be appropriate to sort of gouge.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: What about the funeral what about the funeral experiences? Fattest?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Have you thought about that?
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: That part is different? That is expressly referenced within the
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: Plea agreement as an item of restitution that Coburger is
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: going to have to pay. And so he talks in
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: the motion about agreeing to pay for funeral expenses that
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: he's not gonna be able to pay anyway. And believe me,
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: I'm no Coburger sympathizer, but I think I don't know that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know that hold on Sidney.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Summer joining me Crime stories investigative reporter Sydney. We've seen
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: over and over and over where convicted killers.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Make money behind bars. They may zoom.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: In from behind prison walls to a conference and get
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: paid for it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: They might write a book. They might.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, for Pete's sake, Sean Kind has been talking
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: on a cell phone, an illegal contraband cell phone behind bars,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: says the day one they get cell phones, they get
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: devices behind bars for saying. Didn't you see Alex and
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Murdock shirtless selfie?
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: Oh?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I could have lived without that, that said Sidney, I
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: could see that happening and he would be paid. Isn't
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: it true, Sidney Sumner, that in Idaho there is no
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: son of Sam law.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: They the killer can profit off their crime.
• 25:18
  Speaker 15: This man owes a lot of money. Two hundred and
• 25:21
  Speaker 15: fifty thousand dollars in state signs twenty thousand dollars to
• 25:25
  Speaker 15: each of the victims' families. The funeral expenses themselves were
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: listed as twenty eighty nine hundred and fifty six dollars,
• 25:34
  Speaker 15: and just recently the state also sought an extra twenty
• 25:39
  Speaker 15: thousand dollars for the consolves family and just under seven
• 25:43
  Speaker 15: thousand dollars for Mounty Morgan's mother. Now we know that
• 25:47
  Speaker 15: the families insisted on returning all of the money they
• 25:51
  Speaker 15: received from the gofundmes, have they prepared to travel the
• 25:55
  Speaker 15: Boise for this trial, So we're not sure exactly where
• 25:58
  Speaker 15: that process stands. But the Gonzalvas family immediately commented after
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: learning the trial was not happening that they wanted to
• 26:05
  Speaker 15: return all of the crowd funded money they received from
• 26:09
  Speaker 15: the go funding.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: The way around making money Number one.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: The answer to that question is, Idaho does not have
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a son of Sam Law. In the court proceedings, if
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: anything was mentioned that he could not quote write a
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: book or being a documentary, it's so easy to get
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: around that. And this is how it's done, Chris McDonough.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: A straw man is set up like a shell corporation,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and that corporation or that author, that co author is
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: paid and then money is funneled bit by bit back
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to the defendant.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: That's how that works.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: But someone's right to free speech, in other words, writing
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a blood soat documentary book that cannot be suppressed.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: It's the making money. The judge can order it. But
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: there's a way around that for the straw man to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: be paid. I mean, it happens all the time.
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and Nancy, you've been talking about this from day one,
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: that he's not done. He's going to try to figure
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: out ways around that. I mean, you know, remember, just
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: because the wolf is inside of the cage, it doesn't
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: mean he hasn't lost the ability to slaughter. And that's
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: his motivation constantly is to keep slaughtering this family.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm very curious about how he makes the transformation
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: from quadruple killer performing experimental torture cuts on these four
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: victims to bright eyed and bushy, tailed in costco and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: headed toward a coffee Kiosk now saying he refuses to
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: pay the victims, that he owes them nothing. One of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the concerns by the and Solve his family and others
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: is leaks. Leaks such as leaks off all topsy photos listen.
• 28:09
  Speaker 16: Investigators have identified the IDoc employee responsible for leaking footage
• 28:13
  Speaker 16: from inside Coburgers sell at IMSI. The mail employee quit
• 28:17
  Speaker 16: before the investigation concluded, but he will not be facing
• 28:20
  Speaker 16: charges for his actions. While filming the security video feed
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: is strictly prohibited by IDoc and the prison. According to
• 28:27
  Speaker 16: the Idaho State police. It didn't break any state or
• 28:30
  Speaker 16: federal law.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And back to you, Susan Hendricks, that was the jail video.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Let's see the jail video that we were hearing about.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: This has surreptitiously taken video of Brian Coburger behind bars.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: You see him looking around, his hands or bright red
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I guess from washing them obsessively. Then he cleans his
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: already clean shoes. The point we're making today is nothing
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: is going to be come of that video being leaked
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: because it wasn't a crime. But Susan Hendricks, remember the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: big leak of information that ended up in a dateline special.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and as you were talking, Nancy, something clicked for me.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: At first I thought, why bother mentioned the GoFundMe if
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: he doesn't have any money. I absolutely believe. I was
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: in court during the victim impact statement and the judge
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: addressing the court, dressing the media, saying, I don't believe
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: anyone should meet with this monster, meaning don't write a book,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: don't do it. You think everyone's going to listen. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: don't think so. I think the plan is for him
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: to talk and make money, and I believe it will happen.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Coburger can write a book, but he cannot personally profit
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: from it, according to the judge. So is this his
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: way out of paying compensation to the families by arguing
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: he doesn't owe them anything, and then when he does
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I write the book and funnels them to a straw man,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: there won't be a problem. Now, joining us a very
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: special guest. He is a member of the Idaho House
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: of Representatives. He's an elected official, is Representative Bruce Scogg.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Also he is a.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Former felony prosecutor, former deputy prosecutor in Ada County, and
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: former member of the Nampa City Council. Interesting, he is
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: co sponsor of House Bill one eighty six to add
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the firing squad as a method of execution if and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: win lethal injection is unavailable.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Why to make sure the state of Idaho can.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Carry out timely, legally ordered executions now and in the future.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Representative scotg thank you so much for being with us.
• 30:56
  Speaker 17: Privileged to be here, and a little bit of an
• 30:57
  Speaker 17: update on our firing squad bills. Now, firing squad is
• 31:01
  Speaker 17: the number one choice that must be taken above all
• 31:04
  Speaker 17: other methods in Idaho for definitely, casey.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Does that mean that the firing squad will be implemented,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: or can the convicted killer ask for needle?
• 31:21
  Speaker 17: The convicted killer may not ask for the needle. It
• 31:24
  Speaker 17: will be firing squad from here on out out. We
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: have nine people on death row, and I'll expect those
• 31:29
  Speaker 17: executions to start taking place approxicately year from now.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Because, if you think about it, Representative Scog, Kellie Golslves
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: didn't get to pick her mode of death. She didn't
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: get to pick whether she lived or died. Neither did Maddie,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: neither did Ethan, neither did Xana.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: They had no choice in what was done to them.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: What led you, Representative Skog to push what was then
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: House Bill won eighty six.
• 32:03
  Speaker 17: I started that bill having no focus on the consolates
• 32:08
  Speaker 17: and other victims, simply because we were having so much
• 32:12
  Speaker 17: difficulty getting executions to take place. We had one failed
• 32:16
  Speaker 17: execution through Leathland injection because they couldn't find a vein supposedly,
• 32:21
  Speaker 17: So fire and squad is certain, it's humane and it's
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: the best way to get the job done.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Bruce, Are you telling me a convicted killer did not
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: get the needle because they couldn't find a vein.
• 32:51
  Speaker 17: It happened to a mass murder that's been on death
• 32:54
  Speaker 17: row for about forty years. We finally get him on
• 32:56
  Speaker 17: the table. It was not done, and we will get
• 33:01
  Speaker 17: this done through fire and squad. It takes away a
• 33:03
  Speaker 17: lot of the appeals. Some of the ridiculous appeals we
• 33:05
  Speaker 17: see in the courts are the condemned saying, well, my
• 33:09
  Speaker 17: medication will cause a pain with.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: The allergic reaction.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, wait a minute, but I've got to
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: write this down. My medication will call an allergic reaction
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: to the.
• 33:22
  Speaker 17: Needle the pended barbertol that we would inject, and it
• 33:25
  Speaker 17: would cause unnecessary pain. That's been a lot of the appeals.
• 33:29
  Speaker 17: So we just wiped out a lot of the appeals
• 33:31
  Speaker 17: in process implementing the firing.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Well, the families were told this is the deal.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Like it or lump it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: It was force fed, shoved down their throats, and as
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a crime victim myself, I don't like that they didn't
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: go along with this. In retrospect, so say, okay, it's fine,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: but why would you hoodwink the victims' families like it?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Why is he still there?
• 34:03
  Speaker 17: If that's what happened. NaN's Grace. I'm not privy to
• 34:05
  Speaker 17: those inside conversations, but I would repeat the words of
• 34:10
  Speaker 17: the father of this Gonzalez, about a deal was done
• 34:14
  Speaker 17: with the death.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: What led you to push this legislation?
• 34:20
  Speaker 17: Justice and the frustration with the appeals process on pinna
• 34:23
  Speaker 17: barbital or lethal injection, the ridiculous appeals, and we did
• 34:28
  Speaker 17: eliminate a lot of those appeal arguments by the breen
• 34:32
  Speaker 17: the death no by firing squad. And firing squad, even
• 34:35
  Speaker 17: according to Justice, so to my r, is the most
• 34:38
  Speaker 17: uane deathintality process. It's quick, it's certain. We've have experts
• 34:44
  Speaker 17: from different universities. You say so, I think it's the
• 34:47
  Speaker 17: humane way to go for all involved.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Why do you think firing squad is more humane than the.
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: Needle Sometimes I think it's about seven percent of the
• 34:56
  Speaker 17: needle injections do go awry and cause a lot of pain,
• 35:00
  Speaker 17: and they don't go well. Iron squad there's according to experts,
• 35:05
  Speaker 17: up to ten seconds of real pain, but that it's over.
• 35:08
  Speaker 17: The heart stops instantly and it's done. The victims don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: have to go through what the victims of the case
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: I told you about an Idaho of a failed procedure.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You believe that the death by firing squad can and
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: will be implemented remotely.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: How does that work?
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: We leave it up to the director of the Department
• 35:33
  Speaker 17: of Corrections on how they want to proceed. So the
• 35:35
  Speaker 17: plan is to have a number of rifles. I don't
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: know if it's I think it's three. A remote button
• 35:42
  Speaker 17: someone pushes and the firearms go off and do the execution. However,
• 35:48
  Speaker 17: I have confirmed that we have a backup squad, old
• 35:51
  Speaker 17: school of re riflemen who will be prepared and ready
• 35:55
  Speaker 17: to go if there's somehow a failure of the mechanism.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Is it true Representative Skog that when you use the
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: actual firing squad, the human firing squad, that one member
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: of the squad has an empty chamber.
• 36:13
  Speaker 17: That is up to the Department of Corrections how they
• 36:15
  Speaker 17: want to handle that. I know that has been done
• 36:17
  Speaker 17: I think in Utah, and may well be done here
• 36:22
  Speaker 17: so that no one can say for certain it was
• 36:23
  Speaker 17: their bullet.
• 36:24
  Speaker 15: I suppose.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: A mechanized go ahead.
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: We have no shortage of volunteers.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to know, and I imagine they're lining up.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I started to say that with a new method of
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: operation of a mechanized and automated controlled remote firing squad.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Nobody has to feel guilty. But then I guess you're
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: going to ask who pushed the button. We're gonna have
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to have three buttons and one doesn't work. I mean
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: you said that there's no lack of volunteers, correct.
• 37:09
  Speaker 17: I get phone calls and emails regularly. We had one
• 37:12
  Speaker 17: person send an email to the legislature in maths and
• 37:16
  Speaker 17: you should all be the ones to pull the trigger. Well,
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: there are several members of our House of Representatives who
• 37:21
  Speaker 17: are willing to pull the trigger if they needed to.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: You stay that the purpose of your legislation, at least
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: one of the purposes, is to make sure the State
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: of Idaho can carry out the DP timely, in a
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: timely fashion, and humanly. You've explained the humanly portion of
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: that analysis. What about the timely consideration?
• 37:43
  Speaker 17: Justice late is justice denied. And that's the truth. And
• 37:46
  Speaker 17: we've been battling the Ninth Circuit forever, but now things
• 37:50
  Speaker 17: are starting to change to where we have the right
• 37:52
  Speaker 17: attorney general, the right governor, the right legislature, we have
• 37:55
  Speaker 17: the right courts in our Supreme Court, right prosecutors now
• 38:00
  Speaker 17: I think we're going to get this done. I think
• 38:01
  Speaker 17: it's time justice is going to come around.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sure the families want to know the truth, regardless
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: of the verdict. Regardless, I want to know the truth.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: That is a point of the jury system to seek
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: a verdict that speaks the truth, regardless if it's guilty
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: not guilty, split verdict, hungary, doesn't matter. The truth comes
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: out in the courtroom. Why were you disappointed this case
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: did not go to trial.
• 38:31
  Speaker 17: I was personally disappointed because I wanted to see this
• 38:34
  Speaker 17: man executed for the fermendous crimes that he committed and
• 38:38
  Speaker 17: that did not happen. It was not given the opportunity
• 38:41
  Speaker 17: for a jury to decide, and Idaho, the jury decides
• 38:44
  Speaker 17: whether or not to implement the definitely, and as you say,
• 38:47
  Speaker 17: truth and evidence would come out after a conviction about
• 38:50
  Speaker 17: his history, about his motives, about what really happened to
• 38:54
  Speaker 17: those victims, and that vermendous nube and I wanted to
• 38:57
  Speaker 17: see that all come out, and I think any jury
• 39:00
  Speaker 17: and Idaho would have given him the Definitely.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: With me is Representative Bruce Scogg joining us from the
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Idaho House of Representatives. I O want to thank you
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: for being with us tonight, and I will be over
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: shortly to seize that unauthorized weapon you've got hanging on
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: the wall behind you.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you, V thank you so much.
• 39:21
  Speaker 17: Take care boy.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We are speaking one on one with Christy and Steve
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: go and solve us. Christy, isn't it true?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: You basically got an email saying hey, we got a deal.
• 39:35
  Speaker 18: Yes on a Sunday Sunday afternoon. They sent it at
• 39:39
  Speaker 18: four fifty three pm. We happened to see what happened
• 39:42
  Speaker 18: to be checking his email a little later, around six
• 39:44
  Speaker 18: or so, and he said what and we lost our minds.
• 39:48
  Speaker 18: We immediately emailed them and said we need to talk
• 39:51
  Speaker 18: like now, like what has this been sent yet?
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: Have you offered it yet?
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: What is going on?
• 39:57
  Speaker 18: They sent us an email the next morning and said
• 39:59
  Speaker 18: we can meet three today and we said, you didn't answer.
• 40:03
  Speaker 18: Has this been sent already? And they said yes, it
• 40:05
  Speaker 18: was sent yesterday evening to the defense. And so we
• 40:11
  Speaker 18: met with him at three that day on Monday, and
• 40:14
  Speaker 18: the plea had already been accepted, and we lost our minds.
• 40:19
  Speaker 18: We were in that meeting, I mean we were screaming,
• 40:21
  Speaker 18: we were cussing, we were yelling.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: We were saying, why did you do this?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: How did you do this?
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: You know what happened.
• 40:28
  Speaker 18: You just talked to us on Friday and told us that,
• 40:31
  Speaker 18: you know, you had every anticipation of taking this all
• 40:36
  Speaker 18: the way.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: We talked about port I mean, we talked about.
• 40:40
  Speaker 18: A plea deal for like a like a second and
• 40:42
  Speaker 18: he just said, oh, I think that they might be
• 40:45
  Speaker 18: wanting one, but we have no reason to give them one.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: You know, why would we?
• 40:51
  Speaker 18: And we're like, yeah, right, why would we? And he said,
• 40:54
  Speaker 18: how do you guys feel about a plea deal? And
• 40:56
  Speaker 18: we're like no, no, no, no, no no no.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Boom moved on.
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he accepted the plea deal within the same hour
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: that he got it. This man never wanted to fight
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: for our children, literally, I mean it. They fought for
• 41:08
  Speaker 10: their lives for their very last breath, and this man
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: had no fighting it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: They fought hard all the.
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: Way to the end, and he gave up within an
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: hour of being given an opportunity to.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Quit on these kids.
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: And that's the kind of prosecutor that you got to get.
• 41:23
  Speaker 10: You got to get him out. You got to get
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: real prosecutors in Idaho. We've got some jobs to do.
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: We got some work to do there.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Joshua Weld, Sarasota
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: County Sheriffs, killed in the line of duty after twenty
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: two years serving and protecting, leaving behind a devastated wife, Brandy,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and three children. American hero Deputy Sheriff Joshua Welch. Nancy
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Gray signing off goodbye friend B.