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Personal care product swaps for the immune side of your Hashimoto’s ⎸ Ep. 223 with Amy Enos · Health with Hashimoto’s - Thyroid or Immune Education for Autoimmune Thyroid Disease

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Within three days, they saw change in the level of these harmful ingredients measured in the urine.
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So the highest one, the highest change they saw was with a specific paraben.
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So propylparaben was down over 45%.
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Environmental toxins are one of the top eight triggers for Hashimoto's.
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And today's guest is an expert in how to make simple swaps to lower your chemical exposure.
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So today we're hearing from Amy Enos. She is a pharmacist passionate about raising
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awareness of harmful ingredients hiding in personal care, beauty, and cleaning products.
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And she hopes to empower everybody to see through greenwashing and false claims
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while making healthier choices for themselves and their families.
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She says after she lost her mother to cancer, she was inspired to learn more
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about everyday exposures.
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She knows that getting started can feel overwhelming, so she is here to simplify it for us.
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Maybe you got a prescription and a follow-up appointment for six weeks later,
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or maybe you got told that your
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numbers are fine for now and we're just going to keep an eye on things.
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Either way, your provider probably did not tell you that Hashimoto's is two things and not one.
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It's a thyroid that can't keep up because it's also an immune system that's attacking the thyroid.
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Medication can help handle the first, but the second one is all yours to work
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on. You are the CEO of your own health.
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You can start working on that immune system side before your labs say that you have to.
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Hi, I'm Esther Yunkin. I am a registered nurse. I've been a nurse for 25 years,
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and I am the host of the Health with Hashimoto's podcast.
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I am the nurse who helps you sort your Hashimoto's into thyroid or immune.
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Let's sort. Welcome, Amy, to the Health with Hashimoto's podcast.
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Can you tell us a little bit about who you are and why you do what you do?
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Thank you so much for having me, Esther. I'm really excited to talk to your
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audience because I think this is very likely a group that,
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may not even realize how passionate they are about this, and they're about to
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be really passionate about this topic.
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I am a pharmacist by training, but I would say professionally now,
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that is a very small part of what I do day to day.
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90% of my time is spent on Instagram, which I never thought I would be someone
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who works on Instagram, but I am a low-tox pharmacist on Instagram,
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and I passionately talk about ingredients in our personal care products.
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That's really my niche of bringing information to people about the fact that,
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there are harmful ingredients in the products we're using every day,
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and so many people do not realize that.
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So I, you know, I came into this work really by accident.
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I didn't intend to be someone who works on social media. I have no training
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in social media marketing or content creation. It's just something that kind of happened.
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I like to tell people I'm really a daughter of someone who lost their parent from cancer, right?
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And so many people could resonate with a family member having cancer.
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And that's really what set me down this rabbit hole of really looking into ingredients.
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And where did my mother got a stage four kidney cancer diagnosis completely out of left field?
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Like, everything's fine. Then all of a sudden, kind of these symptoms are happening.
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And whereas is coming from? And the hammer kind of comes down on that.
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And so I just honestly started peeling the onion, started going down this rabbit
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hole of where did this all come from? And it's just one that I never really came out of.
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And so I am very passionate about it, but I get to honor her.
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She has since passed from, you know, that diagnosis four years after she got
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it. And the work that I do every day on the internet is this really awesome
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connection to her. And at the end of the day, I hope helping other people.
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Absolutely. Healthy in them. I'm so sorry about your mom.
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And people don't understand how many environmental toxins we're exposed to every
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single day and that they contribute to so many things, including cancer. I'm sorry that you...
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That you had to go on that journey. Absolutely. To start learning about it.
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Thank you. I know it is wild.
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The amount our bodies are tackling every day is wild. It's absolutely wild.
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And so that's one of the reasons why I love having conversations like these
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is making sure people understand that to the degree they should.
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Yeah. Yeah, I heard a statistic and I don't remember, maybe you know the number,
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but it was a crazy amount of environmental toxins or chemicals that people are
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applying to their skin and their body every single morning before they even leave the house.
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My mind was completely blown and i don't wear a lot of makeup and scents and everything,
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back when my youngest who's now 12 when he was a baby he had eczema head to
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toe so i went on a like whole house purge to figure out what was going on,
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so i feel like because i don't encounter all of this stuff every day,
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I forget that other people are swimming in this.
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Yeah. And what is like the normal? It's wild.
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I mean, I think the statistic you're referring to is really pointed towards
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women specifically, and it's upwards of 168 chemicals that they're exposed to
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before they even leave the house.
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Because you think about it, I mean, most people think, oh, that's my shampoo.
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Oh, that's my lotion. Oh, that's my deodorant.
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But not really thinking there could be dozens of ingredients in each of those products.
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And not all of the ingredients are harmful, right? That would be extreme.
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And I think fear mongering, which I make a very intentional choice not to do that.
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But the reality is multiple ingredients in these products are harmful to our health.
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And so when you think about a female, typically, and the amount of products
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they're using, number one, and then the amount of ingredients within those,
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it adds up pretty quickly.
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It really, really does.
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So in my Hashimoto's Decoded mini course, it's less than an hour,
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but I go through a lot of the root causes. And one of the triggers that's very
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common is environmental toxins.
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And just that build up in the body and then what it does to your immune system.
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You posted, this is a while back, but you posted a study called the Hermosa study.
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And you were telling your viewers about like what happens when you clean things
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up. Can you teach us about what that study revealed?
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So the Hermosa study is one that I love talking about because I truly think
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it gives people a lot of hope because, you know, people start using a clean
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deodorant and they're like, okay, great.
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I don't notice anything different. What's changed?
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These are not things that you're going to see in your day to day life.
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And, you know, when you think about folks who are dealing with Hashimoto's and
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how that came on, I truly think of the path with this environmental toxin exposure
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as drops in a bucket, right?
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So we're using products, we're using multiple products day in,
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day out, and it's just drip, drip, drip into the bucket. And then one day that bucket overflows.
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And that could manifest in a different diagnosis, different symptoms,
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just things not going well with your health.
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So the Hermosa study, while very, very small, very small sample size,
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not the kind of thing that is a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial,
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it's really hard to achieve outcomes like with trials like that.
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Because when you're talking about environmental toxins and exposure,
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how do you ethically suss that out in terms of what you're giving people or not giving people?
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So while small, I say it's small but mighty, the Hermosa study took place almost
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10 years ago now at UC Berkeley, and they looked at teenage women,
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which I know we were just chatting about the number of chemical.
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Exposures we have every day.
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Teenage women are even higher than adult women, okay?
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They tend to use more products. And they looked at the products they were using,
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which were conventional, and
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they removed those, and they gave them clean versions of those products.
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So the products they were using had parabens, they had fragrance,
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they had phthalates in them, just things that you do not want to have a good outcome on your health.
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The urine tests that they did from when the girls started the study.
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They started taking out the conventional products. They started using the products
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that did not have those harmful ingredients.
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Within three days, they saw change in the level of these harmful ingredients measured in the urine.
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So the highest one, the highest change they saw was with a specific paraben.
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So, propylparaben was down over 45%.
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I mean, we're talking sunscreen filter, chemical sunscreen filters,
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triclosan, which hardly is in personal care products any longer,
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phthalates, measurable, significant changes in three days.
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And so, I think this is really significant for people to hear because I have
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conversations generally with women, although there are men who care about non-toxic
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products and ingredients, but...
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And if I get someone kind of at the latter years of their life and they're thinking
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to me, oh, is this even going to make a difference on me? Yes.
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Within days, you can have an impact on your health and what you're exposing yourself to.
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That is an incredible drop. I feel, like you said, the drip,
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drip, drip, all of those exposures filling the bucket.
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So it feels kind of hopeless. Like, you know, the bucket's already full.
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If I make a change, what is it going to do?
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But you said within three days, up to a 45% reduction. That's incredible.
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It is so significant. And I'm so glad you brought this up because I do think,
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there's a lot of doom and gloom around this topic.
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There's a lot of fear mongering on the internet. There's a lot of,
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you know, shaming people into what they should be doing or not doing.
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And this study is something so tangible to come back to, I think, to give people hope that
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these small swaps, these small changes they make in their daily routines can
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actually have an impact, which is awesome. For sure.
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So if somebody wants to make some swaps, they're not going to swap out everything.
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Most people are not going to want to swap out everything in their whole house.
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Personal care products, cleaning products, fragrances, you know,
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Febreze or air wicks or whatever they use.
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There's so many different places that environmental toxins and chemicals show up in our house.
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Where do you start? It feels overwhelming. Yeah.
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Yes, that you hit the nail on the head because the average person that I talk
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to on a daily basis is absolutely overwhelmed.
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So what I like to remind people is that this is really a marathon.
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This is not a sprint. This is a marathon.
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You cannot look at the entire staircase that you have to climb.
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You just have to take one step at a time. So first and foremost,
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the things that people are using every single day is what I would focus your attention on.
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So if you are someone who wears mascara four times a year when you go to the
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movies, that's not a swap you should prioritize, right?
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The soap you're using every day, the deodorant you're using every day,
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the hair care, you know, those are the things to really focus on.
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That's where you're going to have the most impact. I think it's important for
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people to also realize most people do not have the means to just wipe out every
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product they're using and start fresh.
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So give yourself some grace. You know, there's a time in your life when you
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don't know about these things, and then all of a sudden you know and you start educating yourself.
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And it is perfectly reasonable to use up the product you have and then intentionally
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make a swap when it's time to,
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get more of that product, you know, when it's time for a new deodorant,
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when it's time for a new surface cleaner, when it's time for a new shampoo or
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face moisturizer, right?
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Yeah. I think those kind of...
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Slow and steady. Don't judge yourself for what you didn't know before you didn't know.
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Because, you know, if I go back 15 years, I didn't know about this stuff.
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I thought I was leading this amazingly healthy life. I cringe to think at what I put on my babies.
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You know, my oldest is 15. What I used on her, I would never even dream of recommending
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to someone, you know, in this day and age.
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So I think there's got to be some grace there and understanding with yourself.
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I also, I like to have people kind of make their own list, you know.
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Check off what are some things you even want to change?
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You know, this is, it's really not about being perfect.
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It's really more about progress over perfection and just making those small,
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meaningful changes because you can get so overwhelmed.
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You can find fault with truly anything in your home, from your mattress to your water.
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I mean, you could go deep beyond personal care products, right?
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And there's no need to kind of stress yourself out. I mean, that's toxic in
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itself, right? Giving yourself all of that stress and cortisol.
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So I just like to remind people to just take it at their own pace and just take
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it one swap at a time. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I know personally, when I was starting, the tip I got was work on
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your laundry first, because you're sleeping in the bedding, you're wearing the
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clothes. If you can only make one swap this week, swap out your laundry stuff.
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And so that's where I started back when I, I mean, I did have to do a full overhaul
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of everything because I had a baby covered head to toe with eczema,
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scratching himself bloody.
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So it was pretty desperate, but that was the one tip I got. Okay.
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The laundry. I could do the laundry today. Absolutely. That's a great swap.
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And honestly, when people have those issues and you have a kiddo covered in
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eczema, people don't often think about, well, what am I washing their clothes
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in? What am I washing their bedding in?
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And again, something we use day in and day out. So those are the things.
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I think that was good advice that you were given. That would definitely be a
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high priority swap for me as well.
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So where do you start if you're, okay, I want to make a swap.
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What do I look for in a replacement? it?
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Well, I think one of the easiest, I mean, not everybody is going to be an ingredient expert.
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I think a lot of people like to utilize some of these apps, which I don't personally recommend.
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I think people want an easy fix, right? They just want a quick answer.
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I think we have incredible access to technology and information right now.
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But I have found most of the apps to be quite biased. Some of them are even
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pay for play. I don't know if people realize that money is exchanged to get
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verifications on products.
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So that's not something I recommend.
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I much rather empower people with their own knowledge and their own information
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because, sure, there's tens of thousands of ingredients out there in personal care, okay?
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I don't know them all. I don't expect anybody else to know them all.
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But I truly believe that if you get some very basic understanding of what some
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of those ingredients are to avoid,
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it's very easy to spot the companies that are kind of marketing to you in a more deceptive way.
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So this is something called greenwashing, where companies will put all the buzzwords,
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all the things you want to hear, all the marketing you want to hear on the front
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of a bottle on a commercial, but I can't stress it enough that,
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it truly just comes down to the ingredient list on the back of the bottle.
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So whatever's on the front of the bottle, I don't care how green or how many
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leaves or all the buzzwords are there.
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Like the word non-toxic does not have a definition. There's no regulatory meat behind that.
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So honestly, when people come to my Instagram, that education is really the
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heart of what I do continually because I truly believe that if you have a sense of maybe the top,
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dozen, 15, 20 ingredients to avoid,
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it's quite easy to make really smart decisions on your own without relying on
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an app, without, you know, spending all this time in the aisle trying to decipher things.
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Yes, I know. I went to the health food store locally. I just needed deodorant
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and I didn't have time, you know, to order it online.
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And so just picking things up and just looking at the ingredients.
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I was like, okay, obviously bad, obviously bad. Put that one back.
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And then when I narrowed it down to like three, I did pull out the app because
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I was like, okay, I don't recognize the differences between these three.
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So maybe, maybe one of the apps will help. And for me, it came down to which one smelled better.
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Yeah and the the food apps might be better i just know in the personal care
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space some of those certifications people don't kind of realize the whole the whole backstory there,
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but i i that what you just walked through is really precisely what i'm talking about where
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someone turns over a product label they don't need to know what all 20 ingredients
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are but if they can spot oh i see three that i i know aren't good for me then
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you know to put the product back right?
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So that's kind of how I like to tackle this for people.
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I think one of the easiest, easiest ingredients for people to remember to avoid is fragrance.
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If you see the word fragrance on a product label, simply put it back on the
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shelf and I'll explain to you why.
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So fragrance actually is an ingredient and people see the word fragrance and
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they think, oh, that seems so not harmful.
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It sounds so run-of-the-mill and standard, right? But what fragrance actually
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is in the personal care space is a loophole. So.
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Companies do not have to disclose chemicals that they're using to scent their
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product. And so it becomes proprietary.
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And so I have a big red flag there. So unfortunately, a company might be using
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safe products within their fragrance.
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But my red flag always goes up when a company puts fragrance on the label because
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now they've opened the door for them to not disclose.
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I would much rather see five more ingredients on the label telling me what you
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scented your product with than the word fragrance, right?
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So it becomes this loophole where companies can just not disclose that.
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And that's where a lot of these harmful ingredients are hiding.
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It's where the endocrine disruptors are, phthalates.
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Like the things that actually hold fragrance, like phthalates are essentially
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think of them as these malleable little plastics that kind of grab onto the scent and keep it there.
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So imagine you go to a salon and you use the salon shampoo and your hair still
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smells three days later.
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That's the phthalates that are holding the fragrance of that shampoo.
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The laundry detergent or the dryer sheets that have this laundry smell.
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I mean, I have friends that I'm like, I see them at the soccer field and I'm
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like, can't stand next to them. Their laundry scent is so strong.
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And that's where these ingredients are.
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It's wild. So rather than rattle off all these different chemical names for
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your audience, I tell people just, if you see the word fragrance,
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just put it back on the shelf.
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What if they say natural fragrance? Great question. Same story,
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same red flag. Because just like I said, non-toxic, natural,
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this is marketing, okay?
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Not any legal definition, not any regulatory parameters for them putting that.
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Having fragrance on the label still allows them to not tell you everything.
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So to me, I just think even when they put natural fragrance,
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again, they know a consumer is going to want to see that more than fragrance.
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But now the onus is on the consumer to, because that's what I have to do if
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I'm questioning something and I see fragrance on the label, natural fragrance,
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now I have to call that company and find out what are you using to scent your product, right?
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So for me, that's a sneaky one. I'm so glad you asked me that.
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I would, at all costs for me, I know it's not true, you know,
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this is a spectrum, but I am quite discerning and just for me,
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won't buy a product that has any kind of fragrance on the label.
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Yep, I want to know the ingredients too, for sure. Right? I don't think Asking
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too much. Just put it on the label.
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So if you're in, I mean, there's two different questions here.
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If you're online, you can like get a wider variety of products to pick from.
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If you're in the store, you're kind of limited.
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So both online and in person, do you have some go-to brands that you have found?
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Okay, I just, I just need to get in and out of the store.
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This is what I'm going to go shop for.
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Sure, sure. I would say personally, the vast majority of my products are.
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In my home are coming from online retailers, no question.
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And again, this is a moment where if that's my priority, 95% of the year,
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and then I happen to go somewhere on vacation and I can't bring X product and
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I have to use something for a few days, I'm not beating myself up over that by any means, right?
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But the reality is a key,
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to getting safe products is getting products that are fresh and products that
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are made in small batches, that are made to be consumed and utilized quickly.
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So products that you're seeing on store shelves and big box stores and pharmacies
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and grocery stores potentially are not that. They have many preservatives.
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They've been on the road. They've been manufactured a long time ago.
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So that to me is a big reason why that I don't really choose to shop local.
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Now, again, if you go to a farmer's market and there's probably someone making
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amazing bar soap or someone, you know, by all means, support those people and
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the passion behind that.
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But very few things would I go into the local store and buy off the shelf for sure.
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So, I mean, your audience here can buzz over to Instagram. They can look on
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my website, lowtoxharmacist.com. I have all kinds of retailers that I shop with.
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I make videos about product categories and then provide free guides.
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So if someone's curious about, you know, makeup, okay, here's kind of a,
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okay, better, best options for makeup. I don't even wear makeup,
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really. So just vetting out, here's a few choices for people to use. So yeah.
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Kind of all over the place. I think there is a brand in Rhode Island.
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I live in Maine, so I'm a New England gal. So I, vast majority,
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shop for my personal care products there.
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It's called Pure Haven. I can share some information with you for your folks.
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But that's one to me in terms of getting back to this idea of small batch manufacturer,
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direct to consumer products to be consumed, you know, within a very short time frame of being made.
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That's really important to me. I think going into the community,
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one of the more accessible brands that people could kind of jump at would be
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Dr. Bronner's has a lot of great, easy access products.
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And again, not all. Like there's some of their cleaners that have ingredients
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that I don't agree with, but, you know, their bar soap, their body wash,
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things like that, doing great things.
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And I think I'd be silly to not mention the fact that you, to some degree,
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have to kind of stay on top of who owns who in this space.
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And it's probably true in the food world, too, right? So native deodorant used
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to be a super option, but sold to Procter & Gamble and the ingredients changed.
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So that's something that's always on my radar as well.
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It's ridiculous. There have been several big companies lately who have been bought out.
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It makes me so sad. He's like, I trusted you and now I can no longer trust.
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And one of the supplement companies that I trust was purchased.
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And it's not necessarily that the ingredient label is going to change,
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but their sourcing and their quality control and all of that stuff in the background.
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I know that profits are going to take precedence over people for the company
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once they're bought out by one of those big ones. And it makes me so sad.
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It really is sad. And that statement is something I say, too,
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in my work and in my space, because...
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The personal care industry is so wildly unregulated. The industry is making
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the rules for themselves.
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There are seven big guns, big players in beauty and personal care.
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And people might think they're using a small brand, but they're actually owned
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by one of the big seven. So it's a little dark, right?
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It's not the most happy topic, but it's so, so important. And I think if people
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start paying attention and kind of tuning in, I think it can make a big difference.
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One thing I did want to mention to your audience as well is something I often
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hear is, this is so expensive.
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You know, how do I go from, you know, a $5 surface cleaner to,
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you know, a giant jug of surface cleaner under my sink that's like $30, right?
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I mean, different, you know, different price range, you know,
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a $8 deodorant to a $17 deodorant.
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And unfortunately, in our country, this is the reality of safe,
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you know, safe food, organic food that all costs more than conventional, right?
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And it's no different in the personal care space.
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What I like to try to remind people is this notion of once you start kind of
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digging into this and learning, you actually end up using less products.
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So at the end of the day, you might be spending more on one individual thing,
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but your number of products you're using is going to continue to go down.
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I promise you, because you just won't want the exposure. You won't want to put
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that on your body anymore. So it is a socioeconomic issue.
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I'd be tone deaf to not say that, but it is the reality of the profits over
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people culture of our country.
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Absolutely. Yes, you mentioned that you have a website and Instagram are your two main things.
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And I know I have been on your Instagram and scrolled your stories and your
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resources is so helpful. Thank you.
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I needed dishwasher detergent a couple months ago.
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Okay, let me go see what Amy said, because I need to know what to buy.
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It's a wonderful resource. So thank you for putting that out.
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And will you tell us your handle and your website again?
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Sure. So on Instagram, you can find me at lowtoxpharmacist and my website is
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lowtoxpharmacist.com. So it should be pretty easy to find.
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And I do, one of the things I ended up putting out sometime in the last year
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because of conversations like this is I have a free resource that's 30 toxins to avoid,
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that people can just kind of keep and use if they're, you know,
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they're starting from scratch and they want to start learning.
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And they don't know what to avoid, that's a great place to start.
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Perfect. I will put all of those links in the show notes. And then after every
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interview over the weekend, when I send out my weekly email,
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I have all of the links there.
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So in case you're listening and you're multitasking and the next podcast is
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going to automatically play, I forget to click the links in the show notes.
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They'll go out in the email.
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Amy, one last question. If somebody has been listening and they're like,
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oh my goodness, This is a lot of good information, but it's a lot.
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What is one thing that you want the listener to take away from our conversation today?
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I think someone's first step is to just audit what you have,
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right? So awareness of the products you're already using.
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You might be surprised. You might go into your bathroom closet and be shocked at what you're seeing.
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And wow, fragrances in every single product I buy. Or you might be surprised,
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oh, this actually isn't that bad, but how do you know where to start if you
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don't kind of take your own inventory?
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I think that's kind of step one. And then just start making a list of what are
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you using and what product swaps you do want to make. I think that's where the
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action comes from is kind of the planning and the awareness.
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That's it for today. If you are ready to sort your Hashimoto's into thyroid
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or immune, start with Hashimoto's Decoded.
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And then come talk about it in the free community.
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Both links are in the show notes. I'll see you next week.
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