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KANSAS CITY CHIEFS HOMICIDE BOMBSHELL: COURTROOM DRAMA · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Three friends, three Kansas City
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Speaker 1: Chiefs fans, dead in the backyard and on the porch
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Speaker 1: of another friend. To other Chiefs fans have a cold
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Speaker 1: blooded reaction when they meet face to face in court
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Speaker 1: over the murder of their friends. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Two former friends are accused of killing three
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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs fans, and they just sat in the
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Speaker 1: last days, shoulder to shoulder in a Missouri courtroom, staring coldly,
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Speaker 1: straight ahead, stone face and never stating a single word
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Speaker 1: to each other. It was Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson,
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Speaker 1: less than five feet apart in the Platte County courtroom
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Speaker 1: before Judge Abe Quint Schaeffer. Willis was wearing a blue
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Speaker 1: buttoned down and slacks. He's free on one hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars bond. Carson steel jailed hobbled in wearing an orange
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Speaker 1: jumpsuit and ankle shackles. Each one faces three counts of
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Speaker 1: second degree felony murder and distribution of drugs and the
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Speaker 1: deaths of their friends, Ricky Johnson, David Harrington and Clayton mcgeiney.
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Speaker 1: Their frozen bodies were found outside Jordan Willis's home on
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Speaker 1: a cold January ninth. All of them had gathered for
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Speaker 1: what was supposed to be a fun Sunday watch party
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Speaker 1: watching the Chiefs, and despite a friendship amongst all of
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Speaker 1: them group text being fans of the Chiefs regular get togethers,
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Speaker 1: these do didn't even look at each other in court.
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Speaker 1: And I think I know why. Two arrested over the
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Speaker 1: deaths of three Kansas City Chiefs fans who apparently froze
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Speaker 1: to death and their scientist's friend backyard and on his porch,
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Speaker 1: and he didn't notice a thing for two days. A
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Speaker 1: guy is dead, your friend is dead in a lounge
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Speaker 1: chair on your porch, and you go two days ignoring
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Speaker 1: repeated calls, text messages, social media requests from family and friends.
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Speaker 1: You don't see any of that. You show up at
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Speaker 1: the front door and you're underwear with a glass of
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Speaker 1: wine and go, hahua, listen.
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Speaker 2: Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson have been charged with distribution
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Speaker 2: of a controlled substance and three counts of involuntary manslaughter.
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Speaker 1: That from our friends at k NBC nine News joining
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Speaker 1: me in All Star Panel but first I want to
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Speaker 1: go to a very special guest joining us. It's Jonathan Price,
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Speaker 1: the brother of one of those three victims, Ricky Johnson. Jonathan,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being.
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Speaker 3: With us, Thank you for having me Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan, I wonder sometimes if this day would ever come.
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Speaker 1: You said from the get go, something is wrong, something
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Speaker 1: is horribly wrong. It didn't happen this way, and you
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Speaker 1: were right, yeah, it just from.
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Speaker 3: The very beginning, it didn't make sense. And it still
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Speaker 3: doesn't make sense that they were able to rule out
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Speaker 3: foul play from day one, and then you know, with
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Speaker 3: these charges. I mean, I don't know the legal definition
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Speaker 3: of foul play, but it definitely seems like they now
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Speaker 3: believe that there was foul play. So just keeping us
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Speaker 3: in the dark for this long, it's very troubling, but
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Speaker 3: there is still a sense of relief among all of
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Speaker 3: us that this is hopefully coming to a conclusion.
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Speaker 1: You guys have been dragged through hell and back. And
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Speaker 1: during the Super Bowl when of the Chiefs were playing,
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Speaker 1: I thought about you and your family, and I wondered
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Speaker 1: what's going through their minds tonight as everybody's celebrating and partying,
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Speaker 1: and you still did not have answers in your brother's death.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think about Ricky daily,
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Speaker 3: and you know, even more so when the Chiefs are
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Speaker 3: playing or KU's playing. You know, there's you know, he
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Speaker 3: cared much about his family and his sports, and we
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Speaker 3: shared that our entire lives and uh, you know those
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Speaker 3: those memories will always live on and uh, you know,
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Speaker 3: like I said before, it's there. There is a sense
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Speaker 3: of relief that, you know, something that's coming.
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Speaker 1: From all of this. Well, I was wondering, Jonathan, when
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Speaker 1: everybody was celebrating and there was the big lead up
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Speaker 1: to the Chiefs playing in the Super Bowl and everybody's
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Speaker 1: what's Taylor Swift gonna wear? And are they going to
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Speaker 1: get engaged? Is she pregnant? Blah blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: Were you thinking what about my brother? What about my brother?
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Speaker 1: Because I was thinking that the whole way through the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, every day we've been saying this, and
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Speaker 3: you know, it kind of went a radio asilent for
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Speaker 3: a very long time. And then you know, we were
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Speaker 3: still hearing that there was no foul play. You know,
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Speaker 3: there's there's just too much still out there, and it's
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Speaker 3: it's all about what's going to come out of trial.
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Speaker 3: But you know there's still lots of questions.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Jonathan, there is absolutely gonna to be
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Speaker 1: a trial. You guys kept in the dark for so long,
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Speaker 1: which must have been agonizing, agonizing as you wanted so
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Speaker 1: badly for your brother to get justice, and to think
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Speaker 1: that for all that time, he sat in his house,
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Speaker 1: throwing back the booze, hanging around in his underwear. And
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Speaker 1: this guy is no idiot. He's a scientist, for Pete's sake.
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Speaker 1: Ignoring the dead body in allounced chair on the porch,
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Speaker 1: ignoring his friend's cars parked directly in front of his house.
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Speaker 1: How can you ignore that? How can you not hear
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Speaker 1: the phone for two days, not notice that you are
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Speaker 1: being barraged in social media and texts and emails, acting
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Speaker 1: like nothing happened, and then to pack up and leave town. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is how the whole thing started.
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Speaker 4: January seventh, there is a football day for the Kansas
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Speaker 4: City Chiefs as they will be playing the Los Angeles Chargers.
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Speaker 4: So thirty eight year old Jordan Willis it's a couple
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Speaker 4: of buddies to come to his house and watch the game.
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Speaker 4: David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, and Clayton mcghiney arrive at Willis's
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Speaker 4: house just in time for the three twenty five kickoff.
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Speaker 4: They enjoy the games. The Chiefs beat the Chargers thirteen
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Speaker 4: to twelve, and Willis makes plans for them to get
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Speaker 4: tickets to the next home game.
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Speaker 1: So everything's fine. They're all there watching the game together.
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Speaker 1: Then what happens after the game? Jordan Willis waves the
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Speaker 1: guys off and crashes on the couch.
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Speaker 4: On Monday, January eighth, Jordan Willis claims he did not
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Speaker 4: leave his home at all. He would normally have to
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Speaker 4: take his dogs Sadie and Daisy outside to do their business,
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Speaker 4: but they're all staying at his dad's place.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute. He had described his dogs as
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Speaker 1: the quote loves of his life. How did they end
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Speaker 1: up somewhere else? Okay, that's just a tangential question. But
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Speaker 1: right there, something is way wrong. Joining me. Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Dave Matt Right there, Dave, Jordan Willison, this
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Speaker 1: is on a sun the scientist. He waves away the
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Speaker 1: friends and claims he crashes on the sofa for what
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Speaker 1: the next two or three days? I mean, if you
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Speaker 1: take it from Sunday until finally the police were at
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Speaker 1: the front door after the girlfriend breaks in the window
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Speaker 1: to find the dead body and starts screaming. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's his story day, seriously.
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Speaker 5: And he's sticking to it, Nancy. He has always claimed
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Speaker 5: that he crashed out, doesn't know what the guys did.
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Speaker 5: He was sound asleep for the next seventy two hours,
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Speaker 5: and he missed all the messages. He didn't get any
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Speaker 5: pet he didn't get any text messages, phone calls because
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Speaker 5: that phone was ringing off the hook. All those guys,
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Speaker 5: family and friends were reaching out to him because they
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Speaker 5: were always in contact. But Jordan Willis claims he slept
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Speaker 5: through the entire thing for three days and he only
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Speaker 5: got up when they basically broke into his house and
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Speaker 5: tell him there were dead guys on the backyard.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Price is with me. This is Ricky Johnson's brother
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Speaker 1: who passed away. You know, when I think about what
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Speaker 1: he went through, it was so cold out there, do
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Speaker 1: you let yourself. I mean, I try not to think
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Speaker 1: about what my fiance went through when he was murdered.
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Speaker 1: He was shot five times in the face, the neck,
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Speaker 1: the head, and I try not to think about it,
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Speaker 1: because it will mess me up so badly, and I
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Speaker 1: have children to raise. Do you ever let yourself think
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Speaker 1: about what Ricky went through while their friend was inside
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Speaker 1: in his underwear passed out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think about that all the time, you know,
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Speaker 3: especially with you know, these these three gentlemen, you know,
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Speaker 3: being inseparable for a very very long time, and for
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Speaker 3: all three of them to happen at the exact same time,
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Speaker 3: and what some of them were going through in the
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Speaker 3: final moments of seeing maybe one of their friends go
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Speaker 3: down first. So many questions still on how that would
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Speaker 3: have happened.
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Speaker 1: And I pray that all the facts, not just some
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Speaker 1: of the facts, but that all the facts will come
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Speaker 1: out and we will know. Is no idiot? Three days
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Speaker 1: Sunday Monday Tuesy, and I never knew my friend. My
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Speaker 1: friend was dead on the front on the back porch,
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Speaker 1: and my other friends were dead lying in my yard.
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Speaker 1: How can he? How can he say that? Oh? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and all the phone calls and all the texts and
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Speaker 1: all the emails and all the social media. He said
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Speaker 1: he was wearing noise canceling headphones for three days.
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Speaker 6: Really, he says he was wearing noise canceling earphones, and
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Speaker 6: he was in his house. He didn't notice the car
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Speaker 6: in front, and he didn't notice three of his friends.
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Speaker 6: He wasn't texting them the day after. Hey, guys, let's
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Speaker 6: go get tickets for the next game because the Chiefs
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Speaker 6: had won. Completely acted like he was completely shut off
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Speaker 6: from the whole world and noise canceling headphones. Sure, maybe right,
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Speaker 6: You maybe can't hear a little in the next room,
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Speaker 6: but you're going to hear people beating on your door
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Speaker 6: and you're going to see your phone flowing up for
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Speaker 6: two days.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand something, Dave Mac. How many days
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Speaker 1: passed before the girlfriend the fiance has to come and
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Speaker 1: literally break in? When did that happen? Just give me
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Speaker 1: a number.
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Speaker 7: Two days?
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Speaker 1: All right?
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Speaker 5: Two days?
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Speaker 1: What day was on the game was Tuesday?
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Speaker 5: Games on Saturday, on Sunday the seventh, and Tuesday the
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Speaker 5: ninth is the day police are at the door.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what. They didn't teach me math in
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Speaker 1: law school. But seven eight nine, that's three days. Seven
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Speaker 1: is Sunday, the day of the game, which is in
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Speaker 1: the early afternoon, all night, all day Monday until finally Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: when the fiance is beside herself. She can't find her
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Speaker 1: fiance and goes looking for him. Listen.
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Speaker 8: On January eight, friends and family are concerned. They were
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Speaker 8: headed to Jordan willis house to watch the game, but
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Speaker 8: now none of the guys, including Jordan Willis, are replying
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Speaker 8: to messages on social media or by phone.
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Speaker 9: On Tuesday, January ninth, nine to fifty one pm, Clayton
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Speaker 9: McKinney's fiance shows up at the house. She sees the
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Speaker 9: cars in the driveway, and since nobody is answering the
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Speaker 9: phone or replying to messages, she breaks into the home
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Speaker 9: and screams Willis's name. She walks through the house. Then
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Speaker 9: she looks on the back porch and sees a body.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, okay, Jonathan Price is joining me. This
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Speaker 1: is Ricky's brother, beloved brother. I might ad they grew
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Speaker 1: up together, and they would argue about who's going to
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Speaker 1: watch Power Rangers and who's gonna watch ESPN. Very very
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Speaker 1: loving relationship, their whole lives. In my mind, that's three days.
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Speaker 1: You got the Chiefs game early afternoon Sunday, there together
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Speaker 1: in Sunday night all day Monday, Monday night, and then
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Speaker 1: Tuesday nine fifty one that's nearly ten o'clock at night.
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Speaker 1: Clayton's fiance comes hysterical trying to find him, has to
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Speaker 1: break in and seize a dead body. Is my timing correct, Jonathan?
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Speaker 3: I mean it appears to be correct. You know, I'm
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Speaker 3: not very good at math either, but you know, there's
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Speaker 3: there's a question in my mind that there's no possible
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Speaker 3: way you can sleep that long and just not know
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Speaker 3: what's going on.
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Speaker 1: I agree, Jonathan, no way. What was he doing in
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Speaker 1: the joining me is a veteran defense attorney who has
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Speaker 1: handled a number of high profile cases. Derek Smith is
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Speaker 1: joining me out of Ohio. He's at d W Smithlegal
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Speaker 1: dot com. Derek, really the defense I slept through the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. I mean, for those of you who just
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Speaker 1: joining us, finally movement a bombshell arrest of two people
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Speaker 1: in connection with the deaths of three Kansas City chiefs
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Speaker 1: fans who were frozen to death and their buddy, the
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Speaker 1: scientist backyard Derek Smith. Can he really look at a
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Speaker 1: jury and say, I slept for three days with noise
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Speaker 1: canceling headsets on, I knew nothing.
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Speaker 10: Yes and no, and this is a terrible situation. Is
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Speaker 10: best friends some of his frenzies with this whole entire life.
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Speaker 10: Like they said, they were very close, utter uttershock and
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Speaker 10: disbelief and just manic depression will put somebody down. Looking
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Speaker 10: out your window and seeing your friends in the condition
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Speaker 10: they were in. That's enough right there to send a
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Speaker 10: person into deep shock, disbelief and just pass right back out.
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Speaker 1: Does not want to be that's a good one. So
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Speaker 1: he saw the bodies and then passed back out, you
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Speaker 1: know to doctor Hidie Green joining me, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist,
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Speaker 1: author of The Path to Self Love and World Domination,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Heidie Green dot com. Doctor Heidie. So now we're
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Speaker 1: getting a spin on that and no telling what it's
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Speaker 1: going to morph into by the time this goes to trial.
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Speaker 1: So Jonathan Price braced yourself. So Derek Smith is spinning
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Speaker 1: it out, you know, like Rumpel Stileskin would take that
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Speaker 1: nasty hay out of the barn and spin it into gold.
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Speaker 1: He is now hypothesizing that the defendant, one of the
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Speaker 1: two arrested in the desks of three people that were
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Speaker 1: left to freeze out in the yard one on his porch,
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Speaker 1: is that he came to from his deep sleep, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'll throw in sleeping Beauty there he came to, saw
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Speaker 1: the dead body of his friend and then passed out.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Heidi Green, psychologically speaking, that seems very unlikely to me.
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Speaker 7: So it is very unlikely that he fell unconscious for
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Speaker 7: seventy two hours as a result of a significant trauma.
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Speaker 7: And we can say if your friends died accidentally, if
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Speaker 7: that's what we're going with, and you saw them in
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Speaker 7: your home, it's obviously possible that you would have a
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Speaker 7: significant trauma response, and that trauma response could include a
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Speaker 7: freeze response. I could see somebody maybe being in their
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Speaker 7: house terrified to answer the throne, terrified to go and
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Speaker 7: look at the bodies, wanting to essentially just pretend like
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Speaker 7: nothing's going on. But to actually be unconscious for seventy
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Speaker 7: two hours, that seems far less likely as a trauma report.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, it was a bone chilling
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Speaker 1: January nine, mcgheiney's fiance, April Mahoney, actually broke into Willis's
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Speaker 1: home after she had called over and over and over
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Speaker 1: frantically trying to find her love, who she had not
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Speaker 1: heard from for two days, and it was there she
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Speaker 1: found the bodies of three men in all frozen solid,
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Speaker 1: all still dressed in their Kansas City Chiefs gear, slumped
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Speaker 1: in the backyard, and now there remained two, Jordan Willis
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Speaker 1: and Ivory Carson. The two sat lesson five feet apart
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Speaker 1: in court as a judge ruled their case. We'll go
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Speaker 1: to trial. What happened that Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 8: Clayton mcguinea's fiance Colls Police officers arrived to find Willis
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Speaker 8: in his underwear with an empty glass of wine in hand.
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Speaker 8: According to the victims' families, the other two bodies were
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Speaker 8: then found in the backyard. Jordan Willis tells police he
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Speaker 8: has no idea what happened. John Piserno, and attorney representing Willis,
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Speaker 8: said his client had no idea his friends were dead
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Speaker 8: until police knocked on his door. Tayley Lettier wrote, my
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Speaker 8: husband banged on his door for twenty minutes. My friend
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Speaker 8: banged on his door and then busted a window and
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Speaker 8: yelled and announced her presence while she's inside and steal
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Speaker 8: nothing from him. Then the cops come ten minutes later,
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Speaker 8: and he comes out nonchalant in his boxers with an
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Speaker 8: empty wine glass in hand. Nothing is adding up. Dave
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Speaker 8: Clay and Ricky need and deserve justice.
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Speaker 1: Yes they do. And Jonathan Price is with me. This
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Speaker 1: is Ricky's brother, Jonathan. Your brother is always described as
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Speaker 1: a Kansas City Chief fan. That's really not doing him justice.
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Speaker 1: He was so much more. Tell me, well, Ricky was
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Speaker 1: very humble.
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Speaker 3: He loved everybody he ever interacted with. He always saw
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Speaker 3: the good and people. He helped out anybody in need anytime,
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Speaker 3: no matter if at one time they were seen as
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Speaker 3: you know, enemies or or you know, just not friends
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Speaker 3: in general. But he was just such a kind person,
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Speaker 3: loving father, brother, son, cousin. You know, he he was
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Speaker 3: truly cherished by our entire family.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about your family, Well, I mean.
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Speaker 3: We kind of we grew up, you know, separated at
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Speaker 3: some points, but we always came together for family events.
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Speaker 11: You know.
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Speaker 3: We were always there at Christmas times, holding our own
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Speaker 3: different Christmases to make sure that all of our schedules
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Speaker 3: matched up to where we can all see each other.
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Speaker 3: And when I was in the military, anytime I came home,
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Speaker 3: they were Ricky and my other brother Rusties, they always
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Speaker 3: made it a point, and my sister Lisa, they always
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Speaker 3: all made it a point to come home all to
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Speaker 3: be together every time. So we you know, we chaished
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Speaker 3: each other. And there's very fond memories of uh of
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Speaker 3: Ricky growing up and everything he was to all of us.
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Speaker 1: When you say the memories you had growing up memories, Well.
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Speaker 3: My love for football, I love for all sports came
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Speaker 3: from Ricky. You know, seeing my my two oldest brothers,
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Speaker 3: you know, throwing the football farther that I could imagine
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Speaker 3: when I was a you know, small child, I just
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Speaker 3: I looked up to them. You know. We we went
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Speaker 3: to the very first game that Patrion Mahomes was playing
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Speaker 3: in the preseason, and uh we you know, he met
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Speaker 3: my entire family. And you know, even though we were
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Speaker 3: states away, you know, we always we always talked about
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Speaker 3: the sports of Kansas City and you know, everything that
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Speaker 3: we were accomplishing. Finally, after so many years of being
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Speaker 3: you know, an up and down team. You know, we
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Speaker 3: we shared a lot of memories together, and uh, I
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Speaker 3: just I love them.
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Speaker 1: We are learning more about the deaths of the so
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Speaker 1: called Three Chiefs.
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Speaker 12: Fans as news starts to spread of the three friends
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Speaker 12: freezing to death in the backyard while their friend is
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Speaker 12: asleep inside. The families of the victims begin to speak
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Speaker 12: out and ask questions. The biggest question for Jordan Willis
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Speaker 12: is what happened next? Was why didn't you answer calls,
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Speaker 12: text messages and social media messages from family and friends
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Speaker 12: of the three men.
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Speaker 4: The Daily Mail reports. Willis insists he spent the next
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Speaker 4: two days in his home not thinking anything of the
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Speaker 4: fact that his friend's cars were still outside, and only
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Speaker 4: learned they died when the fiance of one of the
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Speaker 4: men broke into the house on January ninth in the
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Speaker 4: hopes of finding him.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Price, Where were the victims cars part in relation
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Speaker 1: to the friends home?
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Speaker 3: I guess if you're based on what I've heard, if
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Speaker 3: you look out the front door, they were just off
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Speaker 3: to the right, And I guess there was potentially out
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Speaker 3: of the three cars, because I think someone might have carpooled.
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Speaker 3: But either way, my brother drove in that F one fifty,
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Speaker 3: so it was, you know, se my large truck right
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Speaker 3: there in the front. There's no way to miss it.
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Speaker 1: So Barry Hudgeson joining me, former l e now chief
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Speaker 1: investigator for Barry and Associates Investigative Services in Kansas and Missouri.
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Speaker 1: Barry let me understand, so this guy the so called
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Speaker 1: friend could find a wine glass and fill it up
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Speaker 1: with wine, and find his noise canceling headphones. He could
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Speaker 1: find those, he could see those, but he couldn't see
22:36
Speaker 1: his dead friend on the porch and in the yard,
22:39
Speaker 1: or their vehicles part in front of his house.
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Speaker 13: Man see this story, you know, his his excuses for
22:47
Speaker 13: how everything happened.
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Speaker 3: It just makes no sense at all.
22:50
Speaker 13: You know, I've been thinking about this and one of
22:52
Speaker 13: the things that I thought about. You know, the guy
22:54
Speaker 13: came to the door in his underwear, and he said
22:57
Speaker 13: that he had been asleep for seventy two hours. We
23:00
Speaker 13: knew that he'd been drinking a lot, apparently, so if
23:04
Speaker 13: he slept for solid three hours, don't you think his
23:06
Speaker 13: body would have evacuated while he was asleep for three
23:09
Speaker 13: solid days. If he never got up, he would have
23:11
Speaker 13: wet hisself. Did he come to the door with soiled
23:14
Speaker 13: underwear or did he look like he urinated on his sef?
23:16
Speaker 13: You know, when you arrest a drunk on the street
23:19
Speaker 13: most of the time and they're awake, theype all over
23:22
Speaker 13: their self. This guy didn't look like he urinated on
23:25
Speaker 13: his stef because if he didn't, that kind of shoots
23:26
Speaker 13: that story right in behind the end.
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Speaker 1: He asked me, Yeah, I mean he had to get
23:30
Speaker 1: up and go to the bathroom. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me,
23:32
Speaker 1: and he's here for other reasons, but since we're on
23:36
Speaker 1: this topic, Doctor Kendall Crown's with me. Chief Medical Examiner
23:40
Speaker 1: Terrant County. That's fort Worth never Alike, a business esteemed
23:45
Speaker 1: lecturer at Burnett's School of Medicine TCU and launching a
23:49
Speaker 1: new PODCASTA Dead on Arrival March seven. Doctor Crown's is
23:55
Speaker 1: that true what Barry just told us? I mean, how
23:59
Speaker 1: could he go seventy two hours drinking let me add
24:02
Speaker 1: that in and not getting up and finding his way
24:05
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Oh?
24:06
Speaker 14: I agree with that. There's no way you could sleep
24:08
Speaker 14: for three days after consuming them with chilcohol and also
24:12
Speaker 14: eating that. Your body wouldn't urinate on itself for defecates.
24:16
Speaker 14: So it's impossible to believe that he spent that entire
24:20
Speaker 14: time asleep and not getting up and go at least
24:23
Speaker 14: going to the bathroom.
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Speaker 9: Jordan Willis's attorney, John Piserno, refuses to answer questions about
24:28
Speaker 9: whether the men were using drugs. Paserno says there was
24:31
Speaker 9: a fifth man in the home on the night of
24:32
Speaker 9: January seventh. Willis says the man is a buddy who
24:35
Speaker 9: left earlier than the other three men.
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Speaker 4: As the investigation heated up, Jordan Willis moved out of
24:40
Speaker 4: the home and checked into rehab. A forensic data extraction
24:44
Speaker 4: found text messages on Harrington's phone between Willis, mcgheini, Johnson,
24:49
Speaker 4: and others that proved Carson was the person who supplied
24:52
Speaker 4: the group with cocaine, DNA evidence mash Willis identifying him
24:56
Speaker 4: as a major contributor, and DNA evidence from the second bag.
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Speaker 4: Matt Carson, confirming his role as the drugs of liar.
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Speaker 1: Packs up and goes to rehab. So to Jonathan Price,
25:08
Speaker 1: when did you learn that the so called best friend
25:12
Speaker 1: of your brother packs up, clears out the house, takes
25:17
Speaker 1: his dog, and goes to rehab.
25:19
Speaker 3: I mean, the only time that we found out was
25:21
Speaker 3: whenever he was reported in the news, which is kind
25:24
Speaker 3: of the unfortunate part of all this. But if you
25:27
Speaker 3: have the mental capacity to know you have a problem
25:29
Speaker 3: after the fact and check yourself into rehab, then you
25:32
Speaker 3: know you know more about what happened that night. And
25:36
Speaker 3: I don't know if you shared that or not with
25:38
Speaker 3: the authorities. But the fact that he was not detained,
25:43
Speaker 3: you know, after that night or the past fourteen months,
25:46
Speaker 3: doesn't really make any sense to me.
25:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know too, Derek Smith. Why is that the
25:50
Speaker 1: go to with your clients and all the stars. It's
25:54
Speaker 1: only after they're busted for something that they suddenly realize
25:59
Speaker 1: they have a problem and they hide out in rehabit.
26:02
Speaker 10: Well, unfortunately, it takes an event like that to really
26:04
Speaker 10: change lifestyle or change a mindset or even in these
26:08
Speaker 10: cases a serious edition.
26:10
Speaker 3: I mean, it's akin to.
26:13
Speaker 10: Being in a certain way of life, certain way of
26:16
Speaker 10: doing things. Everything's fine as long as everything's fine, and
26:18
Speaker 10: then something tragic or something terrible, or the law gets
26:20
Speaker 10: involved and you have to make a drastic change. And
26:23
Speaker 10: that's unfortunately just how it is.
26:25
Speaker 3: Sometimes.
26:25
Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a special guest just joining us,
26:30
Speaker 1: Eric Zand is with us. It is the Platte County
26:36
Speaker 1: prosecutor who was working on the case. And I know
26:40
Speaker 1: Eric number one, thank you for being with us. But
26:43
Speaker 1: I know what you can say is limited, having been
26:46
Speaker 1: a prosecutor for many years myself, but I want to
26:48
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. The family questioned this
26:53
Speaker 1: from the get go, and I know the prosecutors get
26:56
Speaker 1: the case once LA law enforcement finished their investigation. But
27:02
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, having dealt with so many crime victims,
27:05
Speaker 1: how agonizing this has been for the family to be
27:09
Speaker 1: waiving the banner. This isn't right, This isn't normal. This
27:14
Speaker 1: guy's not innocent. He won't say a word to us
27:17
Speaker 1: about what happened. This is the alleged best friend. They've
27:20
Speaker 1: been waiting all this time. Now, Eric, don't get me wrong,
27:25
Speaker 1: I'm glad we finally have bombshell arrests in the deaths
27:30
Speaker 1: of the three Kansas City chiefs. Fans, but what took
27:33
Speaker 1: so long? Please explain it?
27:35
Speaker 11: Yeah, You're absolutely right, and Nancy, this was a long
27:38
Speaker 11: time coming. And our hearts absolutely go out to these
27:42
Speaker 11: family members. I met with them shortly after these deaths,
27:47
Speaker 11: and it's just really tragic. It's honestly, it's another reminder
27:52
Speaker 11: of the dangers of street drugs, and these cases are
27:55
Speaker 11: tough to put together. Cracking down who's responsible providing these
28:00
Speaker 11: drugs is no easy task. But I can't tell you
28:04
Speaker 11: how proud I am Nancy of the Kansas City Police
28:07
Speaker 11: Department and prosecutors in my office who from day one
28:12
Speaker 11: said that they weren't going to rest until we exhausted
28:15
Speaker 11: every possible resource to bring the people we believe responsible
28:20
Speaker 11: for these crimes to justice, and yesterday was the first
28:24
Speaker 11: step in that. As you know, these men are presumed
28:26
Speaker 11: innocent and lesson until proven guilty. But we've charged them
28:29
Speaker 11: what we think happened, which was providing cocaine and fentanyl
28:34
Speaker 11: and causing the deaths of these three men.
28:37
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, this is what Platte County
28:40
Speaker 1: Prosecutor Eric Zand had to say.
28:42
Speaker 2: A doctor with Forensic Medical of Kansas found that mister mcgheini,
28:47
Speaker 2: mister Harrington, and mister Johnson all died of fentanyl and
28:51
Speaker 2: cocaine combined toxicity.
28:53
Speaker 1: Now from our forensic KMBC nine News. So Eric assertion,
29:00
Speaker 1: what you're going to prove, I think in trial is
29:04
Speaker 1: that the casual use of a little cocaine, although family
29:09
Speaker 1: says that at least one of the victims had never
29:12
Speaker 1: used cocaine before, but the casual use of cocaine turned
29:17
Speaker 1: deadly because it was cut with fentanyl.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, in this case, what we alleged is that there
29:23
Speaker 11: were two baggies found at the scene, one of those
29:27
Speaker 11: baggies contained cocaine. The other baggie we alleged contained fentanyl.
29:33
Speaker 11: The me found that it was a combination of those
29:35
Speaker 11: two drugs that caused these men's deaths. And so we've
29:39
Speaker 11: charged both of the men, one of them who we
29:42
Speaker 11: believe provided the cocaine, the other who we alleged sold
29:47
Speaker 11: the fentanyl.
29:48
Speaker 1: That caused these deaths.
29:51
Speaker 11: And we allege, because we charged with them with manslaughter,
29:56
Speaker 11: that they recklessly caused the deaths of these three men.
29:59
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, listen to what Jonathan Price
30:01
Speaker 1: had to say.
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Speaker 4: From the very beginning.
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Speaker 15: He said that before the fifth person came out, he
30:07
Speaker 15: said that Jordan was there sporadically throughout the day and
30:11
Speaker 15: then whenever. And then he also did not mention in
30:14
Speaker 15: a fifth person. But once the fifth person came out,
30:17
Speaker 15: then he changed it to saying that there was a
30:19
Speaker 15: fifth person and that he was asleep the entire time.
30:24
Speaker 15: So those were two very specific details that were specific
30:29
Speaker 15: in the opening statement but then changed over time.
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Speaker 1: So Alexis Tereschuk, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter the
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Speaker 1: best friend now charged in a homicide case, changed his story.
30:42
Speaker 1: He never mentioned anybody else was there, beside him and
30:46
Speaker 1: his three buddies all dead, frozen dead in the backyard,
30:50
Speaker 1: and he goes three days and doesn't notice they're on
30:53
Speaker 1: his back porch. There's a mystery guy, a fifth person.
30:57
Speaker 1: Alex says he changed his story why because the fifth
31:00
Speaker 1: person was a person that provided the drugs.
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Speaker 6: According to police, this is somebody who they have all
31:05
Speaker 6: known for quite a while that Jordan has known, and
31:08
Speaker 6: he was contacted and this man brought the drugs.
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Speaker 1: This so there's cocaine.
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Speaker 6: Jordan Willis's DNA is on the cocaine, Ivory Carson's DNA
31:18
Speaker 6: is on the bag of fentanyl, and that is the
31:20
Speaker 6: toxic combination that killed these men. So he was he
31:25
Speaker 6: had come over and brought them the cocaine. And the
31:28
Speaker 6: way that the police found this out wasn't through Jordan Willis.
31:31
Speaker 6: He never mentioned any of these details. But David Harrington's
31:35
Speaker 6: phone is the one phone that they were able to
31:39
Speaker 6: extract evidence from, and they saw on there there were
31:41
Speaker 6: group chats about buying the cocaine. Willis was the one
31:44
Speaker 6: that would always provide it for them. These other guys
31:46
Speaker 6: didn't have enough. Cocain's expensive, it's not a cheap drug.
31:50
Speaker 6: And then you topped that off of the Fennyl and
31:52
Speaker 6: he was the one that did it. So there were
31:53
Speaker 6: group chat tech messages that showed that these were having out.
31:57
Speaker 1: The drugs to air. Exanne joining me right now, Platts
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Speaker 1: County prosecutor, who is charged with last swing all this
32:06
Speaker 1: evidence and presenting it to a jury, did he really
32:09
Speaker 1: think we wouldn't find out about the fifth guy, the
32:13
Speaker 1: mystery man, and all of his statements at the get
32:16
Speaker 1: go that was never mentioned. Now we know why he
32:19
Speaker 1: was the dope.
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Speaker 11: Dealer well, and Nancy, I can't. I can't comment on
32:22
Speaker 11: exactly what either of these defendants thought or said, but
32:27
Speaker 11: what I can tell you is that we allege that
32:30
Speaker 11: mister Willis provided cocaine and mister Carson sold Entinel to
32:36
Speaker 11: these men, and we alleged that resulted in the deaths
32:40
Speaker 11: of these three great people who were boyfriend's husbands, fathers,
32:48
Speaker 11: sons of people in Kansas City. It's truly tragic. And
32:54
Speaker 11: here's what folks have to understand. If you deal drugs
33:00
Speaker 11: and somebody dies as a result, we will do everything
33:04
Speaker 11: we can to make sure that you're held accountable for
33:07
Speaker 11: the deaths of those people. That's exactly what we're trying
33:10
Speaker 11: to do in this case.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The bodies of David Harrington,
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Speaker 1: Clayton mcgheaney, and Ricky Johnson all found in the backyard
33:29
Speaker 1: of their friend Jordan Willis's home Kansas City last January,
33:38
Speaker 1: frozen dead. The temperature that night was just eighteen degrees
33:45
Speaker 1: fear and height. One of the victims seated upright in
33:48
Speaker 1: a patio chair, the others lying sprawled nearby, ice crusted
33:55
Speaker 1: on their faces. Investigators now calling it quote foul play
33:59
Speaker 1: by stealth and to psychology reports confirm all three died
34:05
Speaker 1: of cocaine laced with fentanel. Police even find two plastic
34:10
Speaker 1: baggies in the home, one containing cocaine with Willis's DNA
34:14
Speaker 1: and another with fentanyl and Carson's DNA. Video was shown
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Speaker 1: in court Willis sitting in the back of a police
34:22
Speaker 1: cart telling his version of the night before. He went
34:27
Speaker 1: on to insist he had no idea his friends died
34:30
Speaker 1: just steps away from him. What more do we know?
34:35
Speaker 15: You look at any of their facebooks, any picture that's
34:37
Speaker 15: posted that it's not of their family, it's of these men.
34:40
Speaker 15: And if just one of them even two of them
34:44
Speaker 15: passed out at the same time, which is already impossible.
34:48
Speaker 15: You know, the other man would have absolutely brought them
34:51
Speaker 15: inside and called for help something. So that's just insane.
34:55
Speaker 1: This is what Platt County Prosecutor Eric Xander tells us.
34:58
Speaker 2: He saw a large play of cocaine allegedly supplied by
35:02
Speaker 2: mister Willis that everyone was using.
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Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, the defendant provided it, the friend, the friend,
35:12
Speaker 1: the scientists, the HIV researcher Jordan Willis H thirty nine.
35:16
Speaker 1: The best friend supplied a plate of coke, possibly laced
35:23
Speaker 1: with fentanyl to his friends. You were just hearing from
35:28
Speaker 1: our friends at KMBC nine US to doctor Kendall Crown's
35:33
Speaker 1: joining us, Doctor Kendll crowns, I want to understand how
35:37
Speaker 1: the use of these drugs, potentially cocaine cut with fentanyl.
35:42
Speaker 1: Don't know if they knew it was cut with fentanyl,
35:45
Speaker 1: what that would look like. I mean, it's hard for
35:48
Speaker 1: me to understand. Although I've heard about it, I've prosecuted,
35:51
Speaker 1: I've seen it at crime scenes where you have a
35:53
Speaker 1: party and there's a plate of cocaine out. I mean,
35:58
Speaker 1: I would think there'd be sandwiches and chicken wings, right, salery, carrots,
36:01
Speaker 1: ranch dip. There's a plate of cocaine and everybody's doing it.
36:07
Speaker 1: You know how many times have you heard that, mom?
36:09
Speaker 1: Everybody's doing it? How are people supposed to know that
36:14
Speaker 1: cocaine can be laced with dentanyl and what fentanyl can
36:18
Speaker 1: do with you? Even a touch a fentanyl can kill you.
36:23
Speaker 1: So what would fentanyl look like? Can it be in
36:28
Speaker 1: a powder form? Yes, it can.
36:30
Speaker 14: Actually it'll be kind of in a wipe. It can
36:32
Speaker 14: be in a white pottery form. It can be in
36:34
Speaker 14: the form of a fake percocet, which is a blue
36:37
Speaker 14: pill that has an M thirty label on it. It
36:40
Speaker 14: can be a patch. It can even be on a
36:43
Speaker 14: Lazans type sucker is one of the ways it is distributed.
36:47
Speaker 14: But anyway, cocaine, if it's cut with something fentanyl, can
36:52
Speaker 14: be very deadly.
36:53
Speaker 1: And you don't know.
36:54
Speaker 14: How much fentanyl has been put in there, how much
36:56
Speaker 14: fentanyl you're actually getting with the amount of cocaine that's
36:59
Speaker 14: been cut with it. So that's why you could have
37:02
Speaker 14: a group of people sitting together and three of them
37:05
Speaker 14: die and two of them live because one got more
37:08
Speaker 14: fentanyl than the other. Because it's really not regulated like
37:11
Speaker 14: a drug through the FDA. It's just widely all over
37:16
Speaker 14: the place. So that's why the street drugs are very
37:19
Speaker 14: dangerous as you never know what you're getting. And one thing,
37:21
Speaker 14: we've had cocaine cut with a dog dee wormer as well,
37:25
Speaker 14: so it's incredibly dangerous.
37:27
Speaker 1: Under Kendel crowns. I have investigated cases, for instance, an
37:32
Speaker 1: infant at daycare. Little did the family know that the
37:38
Speaker 1: daycare provider was storing fentanyl there also dealing like I
37:44
Speaker 1: think the husband or the boyfriend was dealing, and they
37:48
Speaker 1: moved the fentanyl from one place to the next inside
37:52
Speaker 1: the daycare, and that movement released particles of fentanyl and
37:59
Speaker 1: the infant in hailed it or touched it. It killed
38:03
Speaker 1: the baby. So if you've got a plate of cocaine
38:07
Speaker 1: lace with any finnel at all, there's your OD right there.
38:11
Speaker 1: What started off, as I guess in good time is
38:14
Speaker 1: in death. I mean you can die from even inhaling
38:18
Speaker 1: particles or touching particles of finfandol.
38:20
Speaker 14: Yes, fentanyl is incredibly dangerous and even its friend or
38:24
Speaker 14: another derivative of it, car fentanyl, is even more dangerous.
38:28
Speaker 14: It's come down to the fact that law enforcement and
38:30
Speaker 14: paramedics will now carry in a lock zone, which is
38:33
Speaker 14: a way to counteract the effects of the opioid in
38:38
Speaker 14: their rigs or in their cars, to if they get
38:41
Speaker 14: exposed to it and begin having symptoms, they can take
38:43
Speaker 14: it and try and save themselves. So fentanyl is incredibly dangerous.
38:47
Speaker 14: It's not a drug you really should mess with, you know.
38:50
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about these victims and how they ended
38:55
Speaker 1: up frozen in plain view of their so called Jordan Willis.
39:03
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to think about their families. Dave
39:07
Speaker 1: mac tell me about the victims' families. I know Jonathan
39:11
Speaker 1: is here speaking on behalf of his brother Ricky, who
39:14
Speaker 1: died that day, whose body sat out there freezing for
39:18
Speaker 1: so long. What about the other victims? You know?
39:21
Speaker 4: Nancy?
39:22
Speaker 5: Mister Harrington's mom, Theresa, claimed she's been kept out of
39:26
Speaker 5: the loop since the bodies were found. She said that
39:29
Speaker 5: they wouldn't tell me anything. Now she is saying that
39:33
Speaker 5: the statements made it easy to think that they had
39:37
Speaker 5: already made up their minds and there wouldn't be any
39:39
Speaker 5: further investigation. And she's really pushing back on this. She
39:42
Speaker 5: said the arrest didn't really clear up any speculation about
39:46
Speaker 5: the dead, saying quote, I still don't know anything about
39:49
Speaker 5: how my son died or his last moments. That's pretty
39:53
Speaker 5: upsetting when you look at this over a year down
39:55
Speaker 5: the road, that she doesn't know any more than you
39:57
Speaker 5: and I might know.
39:58
Speaker 1: Well, Kendall Crown's what was some one go through? If
40:02
Speaker 1: they literally sat outside and an accidental fentyl stupor and
40:09
Speaker 1: froze dead, that would be horrible, but they couldn't get
40:14
Speaker 1: up and move.
40:15
Speaker 14: So basically, fentyl makes your respiratory drive decrease and makes
40:20
Speaker 14: your brain not think it needs enough oxygen, and so
40:24
Speaker 14: you slowly kind of drift off into a coma that
40:27
Speaker 14: eventually your brain, not getting enough oxygen, begins to die,
40:31
Speaker 14: which causes your lungs to fill with fluid, and then
40:35
Speaker 14: you pass away. It wouldn't necessarily immobilize you to the
40:39
Speaker 14: point that you couldn't get up and get yourself out
40:41
Speaker 14: of an unsafe situation unless you've gone into a coma.
40:45
Speaker 1: So those individuals, how would they sit there and on
40:48
Speaker 1: the porch and a lounge here and lay in the
40:52
Speaker 1: backyard if they could move? I mean, I'm certainly not
40:56
Speaker 1: a medical doctor, but certainly they would get up off
41:02
Speaker 1: the porch or get off the ground and come inside.
41:06
Speaker 1: According to the defendant, the door was unlocked. I submit
41:10
Speaker 1: they couldn't.
41:11
Speaker 14: Well, that's if they're so conscious, if they've gotten enough
41:14
Speaker 14: fentyl in and it's caused them to go into basically
41:16
Speaker 14: a coma, they can't move at that point, and then
41:19
Speaker 14: they will either more likely than not die from the
41:23
Speaker 14: fentanyl prior to dying from freezing to death, because there
41:27
Speaker 14: are autopsy findings you'll find that'll show that they died
41:30
Speaker 14: from hypoth thermia or freezing to death, which I haven't
41:34
Speaker 14: seen any reports of that being found.
41:36
Speaker 1: Alexis Terroschut. We keep referring to them as the Kansas
41:39
Speaker 1: City Chiefs fans, and they were so much more than that.
41:42
Speaker 1: Tell me about their families.
41:44
Speaker 6: Well, Clayton mcginney was engaged. He was engaged to a
41:47
Speaker 6: woman in April, Mahoney, and they were very happy together.
41:51
Speaker 6: They were very you know, he worked in construction, small
41:54
Speaker 6: business construction, and he was.
41:56
Speaker 1: Going through a really rough time.
41:57
Speaker 6: There weren't a lot of jobs, but they were still
41:59
Speaker 6: together at the time, and she in fact started a
42:03
Speaker 6: GoFundMe to sell everybody like he was so wonderful, and
42:07
Speaker 6: he was somebody that was her whole life, and the
42:09
Speaker 6: two of them had all these future plans together and
42:12
Speaker 6: then it was abruptly cut short. And in fact, she
42:15
Speaker 6: was the one that found that April was trying, trying
42:19
Speaker 6: trying to reach him, Clayton, calling him over and over again.
42:22
Speaker 6: She is one that showed up at Jordan Willis's house.
42:25
Speaker 6: She broke through the basement window, she got out, she
42:27
Speaker 6: found Clayton, and then the other two guys.
42:30
Speaker 1: Did Overnight we learned two arrested in the horrific deaths
42:35
Speaker 1: of three Kansas City Chiefs fans watching a football game
42:40
Speaker 1: with their so called best friend now behind bars. Arrested
42:45
Speaker 1: the so called best friend, Jordan Willis, and a guy
42:49
Speaker 1: named Ivory J. Carson aka Blade. Okay, straight back out
42:57
Speaker 1: to Jonathan Price, this is Ricky's brother. Tell me your thoughts.
43:03
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, summing everything up, you know, I just
43:08
Speaker 3: you know, he was my brother. I cherished him a lot,
43:12
Speaker 3: and his his three daughters, you know, and you know,
43:16
Speaker 3: so a couple of them are a little bit young
43:18
Speaker 3: to fully understand. It's a it's very difficult to think
43:25
Speaker 3: about what they are going through and the answers that
43:28
Speaker 3: they've been neglected for all this time, and uh, it's
43:34
Speaker 3: it's just, you know, very makes us very distraught.
43:38
Speaker 1: Jonathan Price, you want to set the record straight on
43:41
Speaker 1: some certain issues.
43:43
Speaker 3: What well, one of the things that we've been told
43:45
Speaker 3: since the beginning which did not make sense is the
43:50
Speaker 3: ruling out of foul play, and you know, the the
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Speaker 3: amount of information that we've gotten since then, you know,
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Speaker 3: since January now, and it's it's been very disappointing.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad.
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Speaker 3: I understand that it takes time, and you know, I'm
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Speaker 3: glad that we are finally getting some answers, but there's
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Speaker 3: there's still a lot out there that we don't fully understand.
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Speaker 3: And just three or four months ago, Jordan's lawyer was
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Speaker 3: saying that he thinks that charges will come, but not
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Speaker 3: to Jordan, and that's from talking to some prosecutor. So
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Speaker 3: that part doesn't make sense to me either. And you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm just the more I get back into this, you know,
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Speaker 3: the more pain that's coming back, just like there was
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Speaker 3: back then, and the more questions that are arising from
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Speaker 3: all of this.
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Speaker 1: Two defendants left standing in the case of three Kansas
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Speaker 1: City chiefs dead in the backyard. The two were just
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Speaker 1: feet apart in court, but never even looked at each other,
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Speaker 1: much less uttered a word to each other. And that
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Speaker 1: hearing went for over three hours. That's a long long
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Speaker 1: time to avoid each other's gaze. What does that tell me?
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Speaker 1: They're gonna blame each other. A lot of finger pointing
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Speaker 1: is gonna go down in this courtroom when trial occurs.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.