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Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollom: When Two Investigators’ Paths Cross - Olympic Park Bombing, 9/11, and The Power of Public Tips · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Y'all. I am so excited tonight to have Joe Dene
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  Speaker 1: Jody Webber. Y'all ain't ready. Let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of just in this mindset of you know,
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  Speaker 1: those relationships that are just fate, and you realize after
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  Speaker 1: you have a best friend or a boyfriend or a girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: that y'all went to the same nursery school, or you
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  Speaker 1: were just a block apart growing up, or there was
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  Speaker 1: some connection. I have these connections with Jodine. We were
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  Speaker 1: both in Atlanta working. We both got into our respected
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  Speaker 1: fields by first or second grade. We'll get into that.
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  Speaker 1: We both were at the Olympic Park bombing, and we
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  Speaker 1: both were sent to the Pentagon during nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's probably some other connection, maybe some
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  Speaker 1: bars or some other fun things we did in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: But it's just crazy to me that our paths we
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  Speaker 1: were at the same place at the same time. But
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  Speaker 1: I never knew her, But once I got to know her,
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  Speaker 1: there ain't nothing but respect for this woman. Twenty two
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  Speaker 1: years with the FBI. She worked domestic and international terrorism,
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  Speaker 1: she worked financial crimes. Well, y'all know how complicated that
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  Speaker 1: can be. And it's not just oh, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: see if somebody got a big insurance policy. Some of
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  Speaker 1: those cases can take you years to dissect what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: She's got a podcast called Caught in My Web where
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  Speaker 1: if you listen to one, that's what you're going to
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  Speaker 1: do all day. So there's your warning. Go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: clear your schedule if you're going to start that, if
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  Speaker 1: you hadn't already. Before she got into the FBI, she
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  Speaker 1: was a journalist, and not just a journalist, she won
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  Speaker 1: awards doing it. And then she's also the author of
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  Speaker 1: a book, The Ball Faced Deception. So y'all please help me.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Jodine Jodie Weber.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Cheryl, and yes we do have quite
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  Speaker 2: a bit in common. First, my respect for.
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  Speaker 3: You and all you have done, not only in.
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  Speaker 2: Your law enforcement career, but now you also are an
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  Speaker 2: author and have a book coming out as well. And
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  Speaker 2: our past half crossed in the past and we just
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  Speaker 2: didn't know it. And so it is a delight to
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  Speaker 2: be with you here today on Zone seven, and certainly
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  Speaker 2: when we've been on different other programs together, I really
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed talking with you and you are so smart, so
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  Speaker 2: I am delighted to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Tay, I love how your career in solved ministry
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  Speaker 1: started a lot like some people, but you went a
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  Speaker 1: little above and beyond. So you loved Nancy Drew. But y'all,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Her mama didn't just go
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  Speaker 1: by her the box series. Okay, she had to save
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  Speaker 1: her allowance and buy them one by one by one.
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  Speaker 1: So she's correct. So she was devoted.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct.
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  Speaker 2: We had the little shop post store, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: they were two fifty. And I may be aging myself here,
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  Speaker 2: but back in the nineteen seventies they were two fifty.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I my parents really encouraged reading at
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  Speaker 2: a very young age.
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  Speaker 3: They read to me. I enjoyed reading.
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  Speaker 2: And once I discovered those Nancy Drew books, it was
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  Speaker 2: on Cheryl, it was on you know, one after another.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she did it with her best friends. I
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  Speaker 1: always thought that would be so much fun. I could
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  Speaker 1: never really get my friends on board correctly, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because I was already a huge fan of Jayagar Hoover.
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  Speaker 1: They just didn't get it. I mean, they weren't professional enough.
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  Speaker 1: So I had to ditch them and you know, open
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  Speaker 1: my own just you know, private investigative firm of one person,
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  Speaker 1: but if they had gotten with the program, we had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things I find from people who read
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  Speaker 2: is they have a general curiosity about people, about things
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  Speaker 2: that don't make sense, and readers want answers, And so
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  Speaker 2: I think readers make really good investigators because they're not
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  Speaker 2: afraid to ask questions.
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  Speaker 1: That is a good point, not afraid to push.
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  Speaker 2: The envelope, well why did that happen? Or how did
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  Speaker 2: that happen? And they're seeking answers. So I do think
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  Speaker 2: that really my parents gave me a gift by really
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  Speaker 2: promoting my love of reading at a young age.
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  Speaker 1: That's an excellent point. And especially when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: case files and you write and reports, it's a gift
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  Speaker 1: if you don't mind reading, because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it well.
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  Speaker 2: And certainly writing skills are very important for every type
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  Speaker 2: of investigator, whether you're a forensic investigator or an agent
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  Speaker 2: or a detective. And prosecutors rely on your written reports.
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  Speaker 2: And we used to say in the FBI, if it's
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  Speaker 2: not written down, it didn't happen, and they mainly we've
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  Speaker 2: seen cases where officers have not done proper documentation. Contemporaneous
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  Speaker 2: to an arrest or, to a search, and sometimes they
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  Speaker 2: go back and do their reports hundreds of days, if
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  Speaker 2: not years later, and that really does come up in
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  Speaker 2: court and can hamper a prosecution. And it's so unfear
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  Speaker 2: to the victims in a case.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, if it ain't wrote down, didn't happen. Period. That's
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  Speaker 1: the truest statement you're going to hear today, y'all. If
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  Speaker 1: you're a young rookie or a young detective, got to
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  Speaker 1: write it down. But your love of reading did not
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  Speaker 1: stop with Nancy Drew. I love that you are also
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  Speaker 1: a Patricia Cornwell fan.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I went from Nancy Drew to Mary Higgins Clark
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  Speaker 2: to Patricia Cornwell, and certainly you know her character is
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  Speaker 2: with a pathology and the autopsies and the medical examiner
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  Speaker 2: and all the information you can gleane through autopsy and
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  Speaker 2: that the human body can give to investigators. That really
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  Speaker 2: raised my curiosity. And then eventually when I did become
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  Speaker 2: an FBI agent, I was on the evidence response team,
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  Speaker 2: was able to attend multiple autopsies, and certainly that is
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  Speaker 2: really if you are an investigator, that is a skill
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  Speaker 2: and so much can be just beneficial to your investigation
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  Speaker 2: to learn through a good medical examiner and what can
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  Speaker 2: be collected from the body, as far as evidence under fingernails,
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  Speaker 2: as far as tool markings on some bones and your skeleton,
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  Speaker 2: as far as fibers and hairs, and even lifting prints
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  Speaker 2: and DNA off a body.
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  Speaker 3: Very very fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: It is, And I tell you it's a gift when
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  Speaker 1: you can work hand in hand with one of them,
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  Speaker 1: because the information they can give you, there's no way
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  Speaker 1: you would know it, like even stomach contents, that's going
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  Speaker 1: to just put you in a whole different level of
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  Speaker 1: where you would have been without them.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that can be very critical to timing who had
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  Speaker 2: access to that person, to the scene, etc.
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  Speaker 1: Etc. Yep. I love I love all of it. And again,
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  Speaker 1: when you've got somebody really good, they can break it
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  Speaker 1: down and hand it to you. It's a wonderful thing.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, recently I got to teach at the
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  Speaker 1: National Forensic Academy and when I walked in the first
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  Speaker 1: thing I saw was a huge, like picture display of
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  Speaker 1: Patricia Cornwell and I just thought, this is so awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I'm walking where she walked.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, she used to come to the FBI Academy and
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  Speaker 2: tour it and do research for her novels. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I remember once I became a new agent in training
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  Speaker 2: and I had read all her scarpett of novels. The
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  Speaker 2: way she would describe where a lounge or a TV
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  Speaker 2: center was at the academy, it was precise to the
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  Speaker 2: down to the picture on the wall and the details
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  Speaker 2: of the color of the carpet. And so she really, really,
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  Speaker 2: she really nailed that quite well, very very accurate.
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  Speaker 1: She's somebody I would love to meet. I've never met her,
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  Speaker 1: but I've just always admired her and just I mean,
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  Speaker 1: obviously her books are you know, something that everybody I
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  Speaker 1: think in our field should read, especially when they're young
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  Speaker 1: starting out. But you know, here's the other thing I
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  Speaker 1: love about you, Jody. I want you to tell them
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  Speaker 1: you're a journalist, and then you go to the movies
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  Speaker 1: with some brands and what happens.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So I grew up, as I said, reading Nancy
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  Speaker 2: Drew and reading Patricia Cornwell. And there was a big
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  Speaker 2: murder trial in the Milwaukee area, the Larenzia Bembanick case.
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  Speaker 2: She was a Milwaukee police officer accused of murdering the
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  Speaker 2: ex wife of her husband and It was a very
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  Speaker 2: controversial case in Milwaukee, and eventually she was convicted of
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  Speaker 2: the murder, and she always proclaimed her innocence. And I
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  Speaker 2: remember watching that trial as a young girl and it
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  Speaker 2: was just fascinating and I thought, well, boy, if I
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  Speaker 2: could become a journalist, I could go sit in a
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  Speaker 2: courtroom every day and listen to murder trials, and then
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  Speaker 2: what better job is there than to get on TV
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  Speaker 2: at night and tell everybody all the details about it.
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  Speaker 3: I just thought that would be the best thing ever.
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  Speaker 2: So I was majoring in broadcast journalism in college, and
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  Speaker 2: between my junior and senior year, this little movie called
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  Speaker 2: Silence of the Lambs came out and I went to
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  Speaker 2: the movies with some girlfriends and there was Jodie Foster
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  Speaker 2: playing Clarice Starling. And I saw that movie and I
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  Speaker 2: literally was like, well, now, how do you go and
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  Speaker 2: do that? Because that looks even better? And that really
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  Speaker 2: piqued my interest. And that summer I had an internship
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  Speaker 2: at a radio station and as one of my assignments,
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  Speaker 2: it was to do a future story and so I decided, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to call up the local FBI office and
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  Speaker 2: find out how do women become FBI agents. And I
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  Speaker 2: had just the most gracious, wonderful agent take my call
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  Speaker 2: and said, he said, come on down, bring your notebook.
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  Speaker 2: And so I interviewed him for an hour and he
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  Speaker 2: was so gracious with his time and I got done
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  Speaker 2: interviewing him, and he told me all about the application
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  Speaker 2: process and what would be required. And when I got
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  Speaker 2: done interviewing him, he said, you know, you interview people
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  Speaker 2: really well, and that is a skill we need. We
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  Speaker 2: never know from day to day who we will need
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  Speaker 2: to talk to, and you did that with grade ease,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we could really benefit from you. Would
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  Speaker 2: you be interested after you get a few years of
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  Speaker 2: work experience under your belt, would you want to come
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  Speaker 2: work for the FBI. That was the one sentence that
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  Speaker 2: changed my life, that was just so impactful. And that agent,
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  Speaker 2: believe it or not, reached out to me about a
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  Speaker 2: month ago on email. He's in his eighties now, and
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  Speaker 2: he just said, you know, I've been following your career.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you. And he truly he was
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  Speaker 2: a legend himself in the bureau. So I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: got lucky right out of the gate to have such
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  Speaker 2: a great advocate for me, and that planted the seed,
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  Speaker 2: and I went and worked in television for five years.
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  Speaker 2: But after three years I applied to the FBI. And
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  Speaker 2: it just took two years to get through all the
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  Speaker 2: background investigation and the tests they put you through and
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  Speaker 2: to get clearance to go to the academy. But then
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven I was accepted to the FBI
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  Speaker 2: Academy and began my career with the bureau.
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. So I know you were in Atlanta, So let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about your time in Atlanta, because you were fairly
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  Speaker 1: new when you were hunting Eric Robert Rudolph the Olympic
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  Speaker 1: Park bomber.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was straight out of the academy. I got
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  Speaker 2: there in November of nineteen ninety seven, so the case
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  Speaker 2: had been ongoing for about fifteen months. I missed the
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  Speaker 2: entire Richard Jewel fiasco, all of that, But as a
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  Speaker 2: former journalist, it was very interesting for me to come
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  Speaker 2: in and be assigned to that case right out of
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  Speaker 2: the gate, because I had a lot of questions because
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  Speaker 2: so much had been reported in the media about how
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  Speaker 2: did the FBI blow this and why was his name leaked?
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  Speaker 2: And while he was a material witness and how did
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  Speaker 2: this all go sideways? I was very curious about all
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  Speaker 2: of that. And then, you know, we did receive information
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  Speaker 2: from former employers of Richard Jewell who indicated, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he had some problems in his past, but ultimately he
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  Speaker 2: was a hero. He cleared people away from that NBC
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  Speaker 2: sound tower backed him away. The bomb had been placed
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  Speaker 2: under that park bench. And my job coming in as
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  Speaker 2: a new agent was to work on the photo team.
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  Speaker 2: Because back in the mid nineties we didn't have cell phones.
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  Speaker 2: We all had cameras with film in them, and so
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  Speaker 2: my job was to collect photographs from people who had
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  Speaker 2: been in Centennial Olympic Park and basically tried to identify
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  Speaker 2: everybody in every photograph, interview them, and then try to
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  Speaker 2: find photographs that had either a picture of the bomb
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  Speaker 2: under the bench or hopefully the bomber placing the bomb
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  Speaker 2: under the bench. And so it was very, very fascinating,
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  Speaker 2: and ultimately we were able to time out the photographs.
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  Speaker 2: There was a large jumbo screen in Centennial Park that
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  Speaker 2: would broadcast the Olympic events to the crowds that were
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  Speaker 2: in the park, and because of satellite time, we were
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  Speaker 2: able to coordinate with NBC, who was hosting the Olympics,
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  Speaker 2: what time every image was on that screen down to
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  Speaker 2: the second.
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  Speaker 3: So if we could see that screen in.
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  Speaker 2: The background of a photograph, we would know the precise
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  Speaker 2: second that photograph had been taken, which was very crucial
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  Speaker 2: to developing our timeline as to when the bomb was
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  Speaker 2: brought into the park and when it was ultimately placed
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  Speaker 2: under the bench.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I got to interrupt you, honey. That is brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: That is a pace I've never heard. I've never heard
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  Speaker 1: that before.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and it was very, very crucial because we had
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  Speaker 2: some pictures that we knew by twelve twenty eight AM.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that I can remember all these times
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  Speaker 2: thirty years later is really.
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  Speaker 3: Quite impressive that they're just cemented.
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  Speaker 2: In my mind because it was so fascinating. I remember,
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  Speaker 2: by twelve twenty eight AM, we can see the bomb
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  Speaker 2: under the bench, and then we can back it up,
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  Speaker 2: and by twelve nineteen we ultimately obtained image that showed
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  Speaker 2: a shadowy figure seated on the bench with the backpack
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  Speaker 2: on their back, and the backpack you could tell the
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  Speaker 2: bomb was inside the backpack because it was a very square,
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  Speaker 2: boxyed type army pack. That had a three pipe bombs
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  Speaker 2: in there, and you can see this image, but it
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  Speaker 2: was all blurry. And so what we did was we
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  Speaker 2: took that image to NASA, and NASA had the best at.
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  Speaker 3: The time.
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  Speaker 2: Enhancement abilities able to take pixelization and improve them. And
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  Speaker 2: what we were able to develop we could eventually get
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  Speaker 2: shoe detail. We could see that the person had on shorts,
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  Speaker 2: a T shirt, had his arms crossed, and we could
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  Speaker 2: get right up to just below the chin, and then
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  Speaker 2: we couldn't get facial detail. But using that image, we
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  Speaker 2: could then go to our laboratory and have them measure
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  Speaker 2: and determine how tall this person was, what size shoe
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  Speaker 2: they wore, what type of shoes were they, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: And that all became.
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  Speaker 2: Very very crucial when Eric Robert Rudolph was eventually identified
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  Speaker 2: as our suspect, because we ultimately found those clothes and
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  Speaker 2: we found those shoes.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And you know one thing, I remember his ex
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  Speaker 1: sister in law calling in the tips. Do you remember that, yes?
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  Speaker 2: And it was very interesting his family because he had
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  Speaker 2: several siblings and some of them were very anti government,
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  Speaker 2: to the point where the older brother sought off his
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  Speaker 2: hand with a circle saw and protest of the government
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  Speaker 2: investigating Eric, but then he also had siblings that cooperated
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  Speaker 2: with us, and so it was a very divided family.
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  Speaker 2: The mother was very anti government. However, when Eric ultimately
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  Speaker 2: was at and he confessed, she was like, well, I
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  Speaker 2: did not raise you to murder people. And so that
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  Speaker 2: was it was very fascinating from start to finish to
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  Speaker 2: see that case play out. But when I got there,
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  Speaker 2: back to your original question, Cheryl, we didn't have a suspect.
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  Speaker 3: Richard Jewel had been cleared. We didn't know what direction
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  Speaker 3: to go in.
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  Speaker 2: And then within two and a half months or so
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  Speaker 2: after I arrived in Atlanta, there was a bombing in Birmingham, Alabama,
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  Speaker 2: and that was his last bombing. And what was so
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  Speaker 2: fascinating about that was I remember we were at work
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  Speaker 2: and it was maybe nine o'clock in the morning and
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  Speaker 2: we got word there was a bombing in Birmingham, and
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  Speaker 2: so a bunch of us responded and there ended up
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  Speaker 2: being this college student in a dormitory nearby the University
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  Speaker 2: of Birmingham. And when the bomb went off in Birmingham,
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  Speaker 2: there was this huge cloud of smoke that went up
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  Speaker 2: and it was in front of a Woman's Reproductive Health Clinic,
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  Speaker 2: and so everybody was looking out their windows trying to
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  Speaker 2: find out what this explosion was and looking at all
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  Speaker 2: this smoke. And here this college student saw this man
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  Speaker 2: walking across this green area on campus at a very
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  Speaker 2: quick pace. And the college student was a student enough
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  Speaker 2: to know that's not right. Everybody else is looking over
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  Speaker 2: here at this big smoke cloud, and this guy's hustling
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  Speaker 2: it away.
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  Speaker 3: So the college student decided, I'm going to follow this person.
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  Speaker 2: So he got out of his dorm and started following
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  Speaker 2: this person on foot. And this person that he was
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  Speaker 2: following started to dart in between houses in the neighborhood
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  Speaker 2: and started working their way up this very steep slope
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  Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. And as he was following him.
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  Speaker 3: He could see this person start to.
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  Speaker 2: Take off clothing and take off a wig, and it
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  Speaker 2: was so surreal, and this student realized he's climbing this
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  Speaker 2: hillside and is going all the way up to the
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  Speaker 2: top of the hill where there's a park and there's
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  Speaker 2: a famous statue up there in Birmingham, and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I know where he's headed. This guy is this guy
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  Speaker 2: did this? Nobody wears a wig? And takes her clothes
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  Speaker 2: off and cuts through yards and hustles away from a
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  Speaker 2: bombing like this. So the college student ran back, got
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  Speaker 2: his car, drove up to where this big statue is
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  Speaker 2: on the top of this hill in Birmingham, and he
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: passed Eric Rudolph, who had now gotten in his truck
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: and was headed down the hill.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: So the college student circled.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Around, tried to catch up, and at the bottom of
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the hill, Eric Rudolph made the red light and the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: college student didn't, but he was able to get a
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: license plate, and so that's how Eric Rudolph was first identified,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and then the college student when the red light turned green,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: he went across the street and went to a McDonald's
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: and whatever he said, everybody in the McDonald's believed this
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: person and was like, we got to call nine one one.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: This is so credible, and ultimately it broke the case
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: wide open. And the public, in my opinion, is the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: bread and butter of law enforcement. If you see something,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: say something. There have been so many cases where such
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: what you think are such minor details end up being
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: cute cute. And it started with this kid recognizing why
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: is this person moving like this? And hustling away from
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: what everybody else is looking at.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And I think one thing people don't understand is all
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the tips that y'all got, because I'll go back to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the egg's sister in law for a minute. Yes, she
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: called in, but immediately you know she's an egg, so
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: maybe she's got an extagram. Once we got the composite
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: of Eric, Robert Rudolph put out, Oh honey, tips were
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: flying in. But we had a picture of him, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: y'all mostly you've probably seen the picture. He's young, he's Caucasian,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: he's got dark hair that's kind of over to the side,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, I mean, he's attractive enough, like
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: if you saw him, you would know that you know
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: this person. And the drawing from Marla was unbelievable. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: we had this one woman call and she said, I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: know it was my husband, my ex husband. I know
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it was. He's six' four ball Headed African. American well that's.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: It with, tips you get the, good but then you
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: also get all the ones that are not so, good
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and you got to run those, down just As.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Zef they may be, legitimate.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: That's, Right you've got to run him. Down and that's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: something you AND i talked recently About Nancy. GUTHRIE i
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: believe that this case gets a, break it's going to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: be from somebody in The Gyer. Republic they're going to find,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: something say something, here something.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Absolutely and you, KNOW i was thinking the other, day you,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: know they've recently come out And savannah even mentioned That
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: january eleventh is on the radar as potentially another date
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Where nancy's house was case by a, suspect and was
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: looking at that AND i started, Thinking i'm, like you,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: know at that time In, january people are taking down
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: their holiday. DECORATIONS i wonder if somebody came out In
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: december and hung a wreath for her or put up
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: lights or something like, that and that's how they noticed
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: that this was an elderly woman living.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Alone and THEN.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I started, thinking, well was Their christmas tree pick up
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Around january?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Eleventh that was over a. Weekend you, know it's things like.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: That people are going to remember that maybe seem like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: nothing but then suddenly, think, well, hey there was this
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: crew of day laborers in the neighborhood that day who
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: were picking up you, know discarded trees and waths and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: things like. That something like that from the public could
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: break this case.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Open.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Agreed and you know when you're talking about the, eleventh
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the twenty, fourth the thirty, first they're all, weekends.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: All, weekends and so that makes me, Wonder, okay is
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: this someone who does have a weekday job during the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: work week and then on the weekends moonlights at?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Night could Be AND i have not thought about The christmas,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Connection but that's really. Smart that's something to truly put
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: out there for people to think. Back BECAUSE i may
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: remember they picked my tree. UP i may not be
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: thinking that was the. Eleventh MAYBE i didn't not take
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that on the. Calendar it's just SOMETHING i signed up
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: for and they came and did. It you.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Know, well and that's the, thing you, know like you
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: think about. It, well what if she had ordered a
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: wreath back In. December that's typically when people put up their.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Decorations maybe this, person all they did was deliver. It
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: maybe they didn't even put it up for. Her maybe
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: her family did. That but they were on her property
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: for one, occasion and that may be all you need
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to get exposure and scope out of.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Place, well let's talk about one other time we were
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: in the same area and didn't know each. Other and
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that's nine to. Eleven and you, know it's so crazy
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: to me that. Time And i'll just tell you briefly
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: because you don't know this part of my. History BUT
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: i was sent to The. Pentagon my Sister charlene was
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a flight attendant With. Delta she was On delta flight
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: fifteen that had Left, Frankfurt germany and got diverted To, Gander.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Newfoundland SO i get word that she's In. Gander, JODY
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: i don't even know where that, is And i'm, Like
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: gander and we're driving To washington and my husband, Says,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: honey That's. Canada they're are, friends And i'm, like, Well
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: i've got a call, there and he's, like they are
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: not going to answer the, phone like baby world has
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: just you, know flipped upside. Down BUT i called and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: it rang one time AND i, Hear, helloo it's the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: friendliest Voice i've ever heard in my. Life and he,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: said this Is Constable Ozzie. Fudge AND i, thought, well
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: if there is ever a children's book about a, constable that's,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: it you. Know AND i told him WHO i was
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and WHERE i worked at the, time for The fulton
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: kind Of shriff's, department and that my sister was somewhere,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: there and he, goes can you hold on a, minute
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: AND i, said of. Course and my husband's like he's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: fixing to hang up on. You like his. World he's
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: so busy right. Now the population Of gander doubled and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: they had one constable working at a, time they had,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: three and each one would work a twelve hour, ship
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: so you would work twelve hours have twenty four, off
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: can you. Imagine so he was working by himself when
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: all this started to go. Down so then all of
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a sudden he comes back on the. Phone he, SAID
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: i just wanted to transfer you to my cell. PHONE
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: i THINK i know where she might, be and drove
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and looked for. Her now he couldn't find, her but
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: he left his business card and said please call. Me
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: AND i, said, look if you can find, her just
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: give her a hug for. Me you, know that's kind
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of HOW i left. It AND i, thought maybe he'll
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: call me, back you, know maybe she can somehow get
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: in touch with. Us but you remember at that time
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: they started shutting down cell, service you, know right, well
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: she was able to call me back and she went
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: this constable just came up and gave me a big,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: HUG i, Know AND i got to meet him last.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Year we went To, gander because do you know The
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: broadway Play come From, Away, NO i, Don't, okay it's
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a play based on what occurred there In gander and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: me And. Charlene the phone call is depicted in. It
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: so they had us to come there and it was
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a wonderful experience and to meet him and all those tremendous.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: People but WHAT i got nine to eleven is not
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: What charlene got during nine to. Eleven they took care of.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Her they comforted, her they fed, her they put her,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: up they took her own tours because they're In. Gander you,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: know they have This Iceberg, Alley they've got The titanic
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: that was off the, Coast they've got all these wonderful.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Things they took them golfing and showing them moose And.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: BAYER i, mean they really were tremendous to. Her but
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you AND i being In, washington it was a different.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Time it was a. Picture so tell, us, like you
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: got the call, out you get to D, c and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: what is going on from y'all's point of.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: View, yeah so we got the call that we would
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: need to dispatch to D c because of course all
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the air traffic had been shut down due to the plane,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: crashes and we were within driving, distance so THE fbi
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: deployed their evidence response teams, geographically so those close To
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: pittsburgh would respond to The flight ninety three, crash those
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: close to The pentagon within driving distance would respond to The.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Pentagon so we got there and the fire was still.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Going there was an intense fire for the first two,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: days and so once the fire was put, out and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: ONCE osha went in and at least made sure the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: structure was sound enough for us to, enter that's when
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: we were able to start processing just the immense amount
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: of debris that was taken out of The pentagon with
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: bulldozers and basically made two large. Piles and we just had,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: to basically for days and days and days on, end
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: working twelve hour, shifts sift through all the. Debris and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: our assignment was to look for four key. Things number,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: one human remains both of victims and the. Hijackers number,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: two any plane parts parts of the plane because they
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: would attempt to reconstruct the. Aircraft number, three any evidence
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: that could be related to the, hijacking terrorism et, cetera
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: anything that may belong to the. Hijackers and then number,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: four any classified documents because with The pentagon going up
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: in flames like, that you, know they do have classified
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and very sensitive military information contained in that, building so
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: that would need to be collected as.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Well for us driving, north you, know when you come
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: up on the bridge and The pentagon is down kind
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of not in a, hole but it's downward to your,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: lift that smoke was.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable, well and you, Know i'll tell, You, CHERYL i
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: have never had a great sense of smell to begin.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: WITH i think it's the one thing THE fbi doesn't test.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: For so WHEN i got to The, PENTAGON i just remember,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: thinking this must be what it's like for people normally
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: who do have a good sense of, smell because it
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: was like NOTHING i had ever experienced. Before like it
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: was just so, strong and it was like if you
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: could describe what evil smelled, like that was. It it
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: was so, horrendous.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And that's a great way to describe.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: That it just hung in the.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Air and you know something else for, ME i was
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: forty give or, take and some of the folks that
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: were wearing the uniform of The navy and The army
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and The. Marines they look so young to, me AND
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: i just remember, thinking look at them pulling all this
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: stuff out and you, know trying to hang the flag
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and doing this work THAT i, mean it was. Awful
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: like you're talking about not just documents and debris and the,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: aircraft but people and people they worked.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: With, Yes, Yes and the stories you would hear about
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: how you, know almost like when a tornado strikes and
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: you'll have complete devastation in one yard and then the
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: home fifty feet away next door isn't. Touched there would
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: be things like that in The pentagon where there'd be
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: someone who was standing on this side of the hallway
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: and they didn't, survive and then there was someone a
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: few feet.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Away that did and it was just so.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable and the way that plane went through the concentric
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: rings of that, building and eventually the nose cone implanted
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: into the third ring and you can see you could
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: see where it was, embedded and essentially the front cone
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: of the plane kind of bounced, off almost ping ponged off,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: pillars cement pillars in that ring structure and just lasted
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: through the various. Rings it was just it was so
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: surreal to see, that and you, know very very, gruesome,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: because like you, said it wasn't just documents when people
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: die in a plane, crash it is.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Very very very devastating and very.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Graphic and y'all did. UNBELIEVABLE i, mean y'all found the black,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: books y'all found, jewelry you found, remains you found all
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: sorts of things that past that puzzle together for everybody
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that was willing to listen to.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: It, yes there was some very crucial evidence found at The,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: pentagon also At flight ninety three In, pennsylvania and Ironically
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: pittsburgh ended up being my final duty, station and SO
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: i worked with a lot of The Evidence Response team
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: members From pittsburgh who responded To shanksville and they found
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: some very very very critical evidence related to the hijackers.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: There but CERTAINLY i remember at The pentagon they the
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: military use is these special kind of clips to clip
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: their documents. Together well they look a lot like box,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: cutters and so every time we would find one of
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: these clips in the three, piles like your heart would
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: stop almost because you're, like is this a box? Cutter
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: is this you, know something that's going to break open the?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Case and, SO i, MEAN i just have such vivid
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: memories of that all these years.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Later and you know when people don't know what that
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: does to, YOU i, mean it's it's one of those
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: things you won't defind, it but you don't want to find.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: It exactly, Exactly and you, know it was so we
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: were we would work these horrible long, days twelve hour.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: SHIFTS i, WAS i was seven pm until seven. Am
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: we'd go back to the hotel In Pentagon, city which
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: was like a ghost.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Town that was.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Surreal it was like the, Apocalypse that's the way it,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: felt and we'd take a, shower we'd get a few hours,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: sleep and then we'd get up and the, hotel The Holiday,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: inn kept their little diner open just for, us The
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Evidence Response team members working and they would cook whatever
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: whatever we wanted to, eat and we would just devour
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the newspapers reading what is going on with the investigation
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and what do we? Know and where were these hijackers
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: and how did they practice and how did they get?
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Access and so it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Was just it was daily for weeks and, weeks just
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: trying to absorb everything and all the information and what
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: was being developed and what else should we be looking
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: for you know, what were they wearing, everything, everything every little.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Detail my, Son huck was a, baby and so my
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: husband went with me BECAUSE i couldn't really leave. Him
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and The National zoo stayed open the whole, Time So
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: walt And huck went to the zoo every day WHILE
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: i was working and just had it to.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Themselves well that's a nice memory for, Them that's What i'm.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Saying some people had a different memory than we.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: DID i was going to, Say and you, know back
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: to your point About, CANADA i don't think The canadians
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: get enough credit for how much they helped us. Out
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: you talk about wonderful neighbors and coming to our aid
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and really the world's. Aid you, know like your sister
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: on that. Flight you, know people from all over the
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: world are on. Flights so the fact that they let
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: planes land up, there they let planes divert they took
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: such good care of, People.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Jody they have two little. Moteils they don't have a,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: hotel they have two little, moteils and they tried to
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: put some of the flight crew in those people opened their.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Homes they have a hockey rink there that became the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: largest refrigerator in the, world because people were making food
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and just putting it there because they didn't have anywhere
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: else to. Store how are we going to feed, these you,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: know people that have now gotten. Here so, again you're
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: talking about two hundred people on each, plane and they
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: had fifty seven jumbo. Jets they had two hundred and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: eighty three different. Languages they had people with medical, issues
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: they had folks that were headed to get, married they
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: had some make a wish children that were headed To.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Disney they had all kind of people that had all
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: different kind of, needs whether it was medication or food
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: or religious and they stepped up in a way THAT
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: i have never heard in my life.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: That almost sounds, like you, know you said they made
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: a play out of, this that sounds like a book
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: that needs to be written to because you, know one
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: of the best Books i've ever, Read cheryl Is The
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Only plane in The, sky and that's an oral history
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: of nine to, eleven AND i highly recommend it to
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: anyone who who wants to know more about nine to
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: eleven in the events that. Day and while there are
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: some graphic, parts there's also just this immense humanity part
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that comes across in the. Book the, people the strangers helping,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: strangers and the generosity of spirit and the kindness that
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: was expressed that day when this tragedy. Unfolded it, really you,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: know especially in these trying times when there's so much
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: conflict and animosity amongst. People it really, DOES i, guess
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: maybe help you believe that we can be nice to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: one another and we can help people we don't even
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: know in times of. Crisis there are Good good can overcome,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: evil and we can look past our. Differences and certainly
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: that did happen that. Day people JUST i, mean we've
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: never seen anything.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Like, it that's.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Right And i'll tell you there is a book and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: when we hang, up if you will give me your,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Address i'll send it to. You it's Called The day
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: The World came To. Town, oh and it talks about every.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: STORY i, mean you won't believe, it But i'll send
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: it to you because you will love reading. It it'll
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: just make you proud of all that everybody.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Did.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Right and you, KNOW i should say at The pentagon,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: too there were, PEOPLE i, MEAN i remember there were
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: people who were part of their church group and they
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: would make these eggs salad sandwiches and they would bring
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: them whether we ate them or, not they would make
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: them because they just wanted to do something that's.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Right that's. Right and to your, point AND i say
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: it as often AS i, can love. WINS i mean
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: that's all there is to. It so, yeah, Absolutely and
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: even what you AND i were going through the reality
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: is you did have the folks with the egg salad.
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  Speaker 1: Sandwiches you had churches that would stop, By you had
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: other just people stopping by to, say, hey appreciate what you're.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Doing so we got it, too it was just in
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a different. Way BUT i think if you look, overall you,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: know a million people lined up to give. BLOOD i
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: mean you don't have to look any further than. THAT i,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: mean seven or eleven evil people did. Something but of
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: those eleven, people a million people showed, up a million
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: just to give. Blood that's not everybody.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Else and you, know the only other TIME i saw
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: somewhat of a parallel of community spirit like that was
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: after The tree Of life synagogue shooting In.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh it was.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Very, much you, know so, horrific just like nine to,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: eleven that people didn't care about religious, differences they didn't
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: care about your. Politics it was just how can we
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: help how can what can we? Do where can we bring?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Food where can we donate? Blood what can we? Do
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: how can we help law? Enforcement and you, know it's
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: a shame that we can't be like that all the,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: time that it takes these. Tragedies that's.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: True, well, LISTEN i appreciate. YOU i know how you,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: OPERATE i know how you, INVESTIGATE i know how you
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: show up and do your. Job and, again nothing but just,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: admiration AND i appreciate your.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Service well right back at, You, cheryl you as.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Well you are such an immense, talent and you do
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: so much for victims and especially the unsolved, cases.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: You, know with all your.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Work And i'm very looking forward to your book coming,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: out and you, KNOW i look forward to having you
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: On caught In My web in the near.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: FUTURE i cannot. Wait that would be. Wonderful And i'll tell,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: YOU i know you've written a book and you've you,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: know been, there but, ooh that's an undertaking for, me.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Honey it.
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  Speaker 3: Was it was a.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Lot and you, KNOW i made one of my characters
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a nine to eleven responder who has had ongoing health,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: issues and that's based on my own.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: EXPERIENCE i went through a number.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Of, SURGERIES i started to lose my, hair and SO i,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: thought you, know If i'm only going to write one,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Book i'm going to write something THAT i want people
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to know, about and that's.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: The ongoing health issues of nine to eleven.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Responders so if anyone has someone in law enforcement and
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: is worried about their exposure at toxic crime, scenes if
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: you live in a fire zone and have been exposed
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: to, toxins or a hurricane zone and had buildings fall, DOWN
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: i just think there's a lot we can learn about
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the health issues that can come either from natural disasters
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: or crime scenes where toxins and exposures. Occur and you,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: know IF i can raise awareness through my, book then
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: all that bloods went and tears that went into, it
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: and all the edits were worth.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: It the edits don't even go. There, yes, yes let
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: me tell. You I'm, southern SO i have a way
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: of speaking that's not always, proper you, know grammar, wise
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: And i'm dyslexics AND i don't spell very. Well so
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: my poor, EDITOR i, mean she was probably just drinking
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: holy waters all in, Dead BUT i appreciate you and.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Y'all i'm going to End zone seven the way THAT
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: i always do with a. Quote WHEN i run into
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a dead end on a, CLUE i go back to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the beginning and start all. Over Nancy, Drew I'm cheryl.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Mccollumn isn't that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Great I'm cheryl, mccollumn and this Is zone. Seven